Oz Effect Spoilers

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Reminder that spoilers for Reborn were wrong.

>>95011536
connor as in connor kent?

>>95011912
Yes

>>95011943
Does he show up at all or just mentioned as being off the board. Also what version of jor-el is oz

>>95011972
Shows up in this and Lonley place of living, though not for very long in either unfortunately

It's the Reborn version, there's a reason why jurgens laid out a version of him after Reborn

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>>95011536
> Mr. Oz is Jor-El
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fuck this watchmen shit, fuck johns, fuck dc. way to ruin a good thing you had going with rebirth

>>95012195
What's wrong with Oz being El? Did you want it to be Ozymandias or something

Johns is literately retarded just like his fans

>>95011943
Actual Pre-52 Connor or New-52 trash Conner?

>>95011536
There should be at least one other prisoner. And what about Doomsday?

>>95012195
>fuck this watchmen shit
Jor-El isn't from Watchmen you fucking casual.

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>>95012219
Metropolis kid, that's why he doesn't show up in the death of superman part of Reborn, because he was removed from the timeline

>>95012385
He's talking about Manhattan

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You just know they're going to revive Rorschach and make him a part of the DC Universe during/after this

>>95012082
>Reborn version.

Sooo... classic Kon? Lobdell lobotomized Kon?

>>95012495
>implying Kon hasn't been retarded since Kelly changed his outfit

>>95012438
But Manhattan was at the very start of Rebirth. How could he start something that goes good and then ruin it by merely being a part of it? Especially here in this story that doesn't feature him. Probably just a contrarian who wants to hate things just for the sake of complaining.

>>95012495
Metropolis kid kon, New52 kon was wiped after reborn

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>>95012489

>>95012082
>there's a reason why jurgens laid out a version of him after Reborn
Wait, when did this happen?

>>95012397
>shittiest look
Ugh. I take it he doesn't know tim then

>>95012643
reborn version of Jor-El, sorry for the confusion, Kon is the metropolis kid version

>>95011536
>53
Wait, what?

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>>95012624

>>95012704
>hes dead
That's not a no Gary
Also earth 1 fucking when

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>>95012643

I would love for Kon to come back but this is your fan fiction isn't it.

>>95012695
That's what happens when you fuck up a meme.

>>95012195

What did you want him to be Ozymandias? At least DC is sticking to the promise that this wont be DC v Watchmen

>>95012533
no fuck off, you didn't have to have blue dick at the start of rebirth

rebirth could've just been explained as the multiverse "resetting" the balance or some cosmic mumbo jumbo and be done with it

i'm not even a moore fag and DC/johns is obsessed with following up on his work. watchmen should exist in a vacuum, bringing it into mainline dcu cheapens both the dcu & watchmen. they should've just used morrison's NOT watchmen and called it a day if they want, but johns thinks he's more clever than he is and wants to be slick for no reason but being a fanboy and nobody in editorial can keep him in check now

everything leads to doomsday clock, so manhattan's shadow is a big part of it. and jor-el as a story device outside of being blasted into space dust is shitty

How does jor feel about his daughter in law

Jesus fucking Christ do you faggots EVER stop bitching about shit? What the fuck is there to bitch about
>hur HURRRR it ruins watchmen!!!
No the fuck it doesn't. The story is still there and won't disappear once this happens.
Christ almighty dude. Nothing but bitching about comics.

>>95012856
>you didn't have to have blue dick at the start of rebirth
>literally in the comic Rebirth
hmmm

>>95012858
It's not brought up, Oz just mentions that he's proud that his son has had his own son and was able to grow up with him

>>95012733

It means he'll be in it as a flashback of sorts, not alive and running around doing shit in the series.

>>95012902

bitching and moaning about crap endlessly for most of the time, reasons no rational person understands.. is kinda what some ppl do as a hobby now.

and this site is a nexus for it.

>>95013032
Like I'm all for talking shit on stuff for fun too. But after a while it's nothing but cynical nitpicking it gets tiring

>>95012540

So classic with highly questionable amounts of his history.

Fuck I want Conner and Tim to team up to find Bart.

>>95012995
I'll bet you money he'll come back at some point. Dr Manhattan probably feels guilt over his death, and decides to dump him in the DC Universe

>>95013262
And then we get a Rorschach ongoing.

>>95012761
Why is Jor El so worked up about Average IQ?

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>>95011536
>that bald nigga on the top of the emblem with a 53 shirt

Now that's banter

>>95012856
>and DC/johns is obsessed with following up on his work

Really? I think if any other publisher had the rights to Watchmen they would have milked it for all it was worth decades ago

>>95011536
>>95012195
>>95012219

It's stupid because it cheapens his death and sacrifice. And raises all sorts of questions, like if he survived the planet exploding... where the fuck was he all of Superman's life?

>>95012856

I get you Anon. Do you get me? The greatest sin in a lot of comics is cheapening character's deaths.

>rebirth could've just been explained as the multiverse "resetting" the balance or some cosmic mumbo jumbo and be done with it

See anon, this is why The Monitors are a concept DC should not have abandoned. The Monitors need to be able to exist outside of timelines and multiverses and basically keep track of and regulate them. So when shit goes down, The Monitor can explain it.

I want to write for DC and that's a book I'm going to pitch to them, The Monitor -- a comic book that keeps track of all the insane plotlines they put out, puts them on all a timetable/scale and connects them all. With it's own cool stories about different universe, how they'e born, how they die.

And the monitors are only the lair above us. Above them is the Omniverse which is metaphorically DC's editorial team and WB as a corporation. Like Middle-Earth, owned by WB is in the Omniverse, but not the DC multiverse.

Anyways, blah blah blah... I just want concepts solidified and settled to avoid all this shit.

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>>95013295
they didn't believe him

What kind of mindset are you talking about Superman getting into at the start of Doomsday Clock? Clark going super-duper obsessive about finding Manhattan? Clark going Injustice level batshit insane violent because his dad died a second time? Or Clark pulling some high grade Superdick subterfuge where he starts acting super OOC to force Manhattan to reveal himself so he can kick his ass?

If Rorschach shows up in Doomsday Clock, it needs to be done in the form of a hallucination form. IE Manhattan has so fucking lost his mind, he has taken to pretend Rorschach is still alive to say the things he can't bring himself to say about his dark road that he's went down, fucking with the DCU

>>95013601
>like if he survived the planet exploding... where the fuck was he all of Superman's life?
phantom zone

>>95013999
probably depressed.

>>95014236

And why is he revealing himself NOW? He could have been raising his son on earth the whole time.

>>95014042

I only like them using Manhattan if it's something like this.

Like after Watchmen he started exploring the multiverse when he got bored/done with exploring the universe. And then he started playing around with the universes and causing timeline problems.

Like you said, eventually going more and more insane and he keeps shedding his humanity. So it's not just "LOOK GUYS WATCHMEN" more like "this is the logical conclusion of Manhattan's journey"....

I'd rather them not use him at all but this, to me, is the only way to go.

>>95012661

No! Their love is too pure for this world!

>>95011536
what about Doomsday?

>>95012661
This was the design he had when he was part of young justice with tim and impulse.

>>95014475
and its shit. tshirt is better

>>95011536

Rich is that you posting this? Some of this is what RIch just posted on Bleeding Cool.

>>95011536
>Conner's coming back

I don't care about how shitty this could possibly be if I'm getting two of muh Young Justice boys back

>>95015324

Part of Bart's super-power was that he was immune to changes in the timeline. Bart should be there with Wally and Clark remembering the original post-crisis timeline.

>>95013601
>>95014312
There was already a Jor-El that was alive and in another dimension protecting a city and keeping it safe for all of Superman's life.

Infinite City

>>95012219
Because jor-el should be fucking dead.

>>95015844
He hasn't been since Krypton blew up though

>>95015859
Since? So he was dead before Krypton blew up?

>>95015869
Jor El was in Infinite City since Krypton Blew up, not dead.

Go read Infinite City

>>95012704
The only way to stop Manhattan is via a being of equal power Rorschach has learned to re-assemble himself.

>>95012540
>Metropolis Kid Kon
I'm holding you to that anon. I want fucking Fun Kon back. I don't want Johns "BOO HOO I'M LEX'S CLONE ALL ALONG" wish fulfillment.

So Tim was taken off the table because he is so smart he would have figured out what was going on? Seriously?

>No Bart
Why? Conner is already there and your inclusion of him already makes no sense

>>95011536
LOL this is as bad as Slott bringing uncle Ben back.

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>>95015126
>3 hours and no one has refuted this bullshit
I guess I have to step up then.

>>95016291
It's an editorial choice, they are probably going to launch Young Justice again

I don't think Conner is coming back yet. His reason for being pulled off the table makes no sense, he usually barely talks to Clark. But the idea of Tim finding him in time prison is very romantic and I wish that was happening.

I'm just glad Connor is not lost in the stack of papers of editorial again

I don't see why Oz being Jor-El would make Superman question his faith humanity like indicated in the solicits.

On the other hand, there has been some set up for Jor-El post Reborn which is kind of random, and the only alternative (based on the whole "I told you to never give up" stuff) would be Jonathan, which has no set up at all.

>>95012367
Assuming OP is not lying, the second prisoner should be Kon.

>>95011536
I don't know if I'm buying all this. Obviously Oz is JE, but the rest seems off.
>Connor would tell Superman
Tell him what? Why would he know anything?
>Tim is off the table because he'd figure out something is wrong
Why is Tim the only one?

>>95013601
i'm pretty sure one of morrison's 52 earths has a corporate metaphor "suits" earth as well

i just fucking love how dc had a fucking clean slate put in front of them, and le cereal man wants to do another moore followup story

rucka was right, the way dc is structured, they'll have no choice but to reboot every 10-15 years

the whole tim thing is stupid editorial too

batman or even fucking detective chimp wouldn't have figured shit out? what about ralph or lex himself, they're all brilliant minds. mr. terrific, dr fate, etc.

but tim fucking drake?

>>95018471
>even fucking detective chimp
Literally the world's greatest detective

>>95018291
Maybe Tim would tell Kon he thought something was up? That's my best guess.

>>95018291
Also why has Conner been erased completely from existence while Oz only faked Tim's death?

>>95018604
Probably because the last time we saw Conner he was fucked beyond repair, and they didn't see the point of fixing him at the start of rebirth if they were planning on doing this with Tim. If it's true that they want to make room for another teen book, they might have wanted to hold off on bringing Conner back until that started.

>>95018692
Isn't Conner the other prisoner in Oz's hideout?

>>95018786
Do we have a real reason to think that? I had hoped so but it seems less likely now.

>>95018887
Who else could it be?

this sounds gloriously based

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guys, new comic fag here. I'm currently reading superman 2011 issues, but sometimes the issues are completely unrelated and stop midway, How the fuck am I supposed to read comics ? are plot points given up so easily or something ?

I'm at that moment where superman is becoming doomsday and is searching for a cure, next issue he's back at the daily planet completely healed.

do I seriously have to search for a specific issue from a specific character related to the plot to continue reading the scenario? this is fucking dumb.

>>95011536
And Booster?

>>95015126
>and its shit. tshirt is better
WRONG

>>95018930
>Comic continuity is fucking retarded.
More news at 11

>>95018930

The New 52 Superman books crossed over a lot. So what youre missing is some issues of Action Comics. Honestly, you should only be reading New 52 Action Comics and skipping anything Doomsday.

>>95016291
Tim is a better detective than Bruce, he even had Ra's calling him "Detective"

>>95018912
I have no idea. I just feel like after seeing all the solicits for a Lonely Place it seems very tone deaf with evil Batman Tim and not the story people were hyped for. So it doesn't make me feel very hopeful for Conner I guess. But I hope I'm wrong.

Tim and Conner are lame characters and they deserve that prison.

If only their fans could be locked up as well.

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>>95018983
alright thank you anon.

Also, since Oz is in those 2011, or even before, does that mean that nobody knew who he was until this week's issue where he's supposedly jor-el ? or is it just temporary for more drama?

>>95019258

He didn't really do much and Geoff left after 9 issues, so most people just assumed it was another dropped Geoff Johns plot point.

>>95018930
Yes. You have to pay attention to the "continued in..." At the end of some comics. Cry me a river.

>>95019258
You can read just the Johns Superman arc for that seeding, though it's not much. The specific issue numbers should be on Geoff's wikipedia page but I think it's like #40-49 or something

>>95012489
>plot twist
>they move him into outer space and he ends up working in L.E.G.I.O.N.

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>>95011536
Well, that's disappointing. If they can retcon Jor-El, when are they going to retcon rebirth Kara and give me one that actually looks decent and not some gubmint sekrit agent teenager with a shit design.

>>95018930
Probably the biggest problem with some N52 titles was the constant crossovers. Supergirl suffered from this as well, making contnuity within the run jarring

>>95019760
>Watchmen is how they revive DC cosmic

could be worse

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Shoulda seen it coming.

>>95011536
If he wanted to keep Superman split into two, why did he appear to Superman and vaguely hint about Superman not being what he thinks he is?

>>95019929
I think the Rebirth design is fine, like when Lupa drew it in the Rebirth one-shot. The main artist of the book was just god awful and Orlando might be an even worse writer for Kara.

Very sad what has happened to her after strong preFP and new 52 runs.

>>95019940
Vril Dox, Batman, and Ozymandias all arguing in a room could make for a fun read

>>95019997
I don't know why I find it so unlikeable, I can find enjoyment in absolute shit, but Rebirth has been so bad. I'm glad sales are tanking. The only one I've bothered to buy is the variant from last month.

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>>95019948
well these issues are from 2011, and it's pretty straight forward here. I think with all the clues this doesn't seem like an asspull. even though most of comics fights are.

>>95011536
>Tim is off the table because he'd figure out something is wrong.

Tim? What about Wally, Bruce and Barry (Button), Reverse Flash, who already KNOW something is wrong, and in fact have come close to Dr. M ? Are they addressed at all?

>>95021644
Yeah. He was acting like Superman's father, and having him be Pa Kent would be considerably crazier than Jor-El, who already has a history of being a somewhat shady guy across various continuities. Pa Kent is only shady in the Snyderverse.

>>95022029
I thought Tim being pulled off the table was just so they could somehow involve pre-flashpoint Tim like they did with Superman, but he seems to be returning exactly the same as he was, so I'm confused about the point of all of this.

>>95022883
To set up prison raped Tim as the bad future Nazi

>>95019948
Oz killed He'l too?

>>95022883

That would have been nice.

What really doesn't add up for me is:

>Tim is off the table because he'd figure out something is wrong.
>Gets captured.
>Now definitely KNOWS something is wrong.
>Escapes. Tells everyone what he experienced.

Oz should have let him be.

I don't know, but if OP spoilers are true, there are a lot of holes in the narrative. Like it makes more sense from an editorial point of view than from an in-universe one.

>>95022933
so I guess all of the stuff about this being important to rebirth was completely made up.

>>95023110
Most the the stuff is important
Tim is not

>>95023082
Yeah I have trouble believing it's because he was figuring stuff out. If that was the case they could have at least done something to show us that before locking him up. I don't think OP is right, Tim's involvement is probably just the nazi batman shit that no one asked for.

>>95012489
>Rorschach and Red Tool on going
I feel like even a one shot is needed just for the sake of long forgotten memes.

>>95022416
this guy gets it

>>95023466
"Pa Kent Is" in the DCEU, if you get muh drift.

Spoiler Alert: He's Darkseid

>>95023031
that arc was a crossover hell, it wasn't jor-el that took him down, superman stopped him before he could, it was either kara or superboy (which sacrificed himself in doing so if I recall)

>>95022029
maybe, just MAYBE, the current status is because more than one player missing up time?

Pandora+Zoom+Manhattan+Abra Kadabra+Oz=new52

>>95015126
>Angsty
>Sad
>Constantly Angry
He got better in Lemire's run but for the most part, Johnsboy was barely as shadow of his former self.

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Oz is Mon-el or Kon-el..now evil.

>>95011536
Why can't Jor-Oz just go retrieve the Superman Thought Robot for his son? Surely that would put Clark on an even playing field with DocMan, if not a higher one.

>>95011536
I thought shot El died when the planet exploded

>>95024683
Come on man, Johns already said Manhattan wasn't a villain. The robot only turns on when Superman faces the ultimate evil.

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>>95025811

>>95024683
Need Ultraman and the doomsday device to form 4d-man, and Ultraman is dead

>>95011536
wait, tim's a detective and he'd find out, how would connor find out? why is he a threat?

Isn't Kon with Zod now?

>>95026212
Pillow talk.

>>95026363
so tim already told him? I thought the issue was that tim will find out, not that he already did

>>95026362
no thats Chris thats with Zodd

>>95026496
Nah, they'd talk about it in space prison.

>>95026588
I don't understand. If you sent only tim away, how would connor find out? He wouldn't be able to reach tim.

>>95026658
If we go by the idea that this is the original Kon, wouldn't he notice Tim disappearing? But then it's unclear if they'd know each other at all since Tim is whatever version he is.

>>95026703
wait, people haven't noticed tim is gone? bruce doens't know/remember?

>>95026812
No, the Bats (rather stupidly) assumed he was dead because of the way he was taken and didn't bother to follow up. I think they just got that cleared up.

>>95026851
blind as a bat again, eh, bruce?

>>95026961
You'd think at this point he'd just view death as an inconvenience to be overcomes.

>>95024683

>>expecting Johns to understand the Superman thought robot concept

>>95025944
Sure, JOHNS said Manhattan isn't a villain, so we, the readers, know this, but does Jor-El know this? All he knows is that he doesn't want his son to fight Manhattan because Manhattan would fucking wreck Superman. It seems logical, to me at least, that you would then want to have a few back up plans in place in case you aren't able to prevent your son from doing the thing.