So... uh... what did you think about it...?

So was Hydra Cap the real Cap or the one in the cube?

That they didn't do much for showing Hydra United States as a bad thing. It was already a fucked place of warring states focused entirely on political in-fighting. Even showing a rebuilt world compared to ruins that the """good guys""" wanted to make the reality.

>>95000438
Hydra Cap is the real one and the New Cap is one that Kobik remembers.

>>95000372
I think the narration was the blandest part of the event.

what are we gonna do with two steves?

>>95000468
So this is like that weird Tony shit from the Crossing all over again isn't it?

>>95000481
>"You're good Steve, and I am bad Steve. You're a goody two-shoes! You're a goody two-shoes!"
BWANG!
>"Good? Bad? I'm the one with the Shield."

>>95000372
The ending or overall? The ending is exactly what I expected. Overall? Disappointing considering how good the lead-up was, but it was pretty much your standard Marvel event in terms of quality. A handful of good scenes, a couple solid issues, but overall not worth reading.

>>95000481
Live with that, I think.

HydraCap is now the Captain America-Prime of Marvel, I guess.

>>95000480
Im sick of 3rd person narration in comics, and Marvel clearly can't write it.

>>95000508
We never mention that event.
EVER!!!
Teen Tony is still technically the main Tony, that's never been reversed.

>>95000533
i gotta imagine they merge at some point, right?

>>95000481
Hydra Cap is gonna probably get the Red Skull's mind and then we'll have movie synergy once again! Really it's Spencer pulling a Gruenwald.

Couple things:
>Good Steve giving the hammer/shield to Sam and Jane is just wrong
>Splash paint wanking over every hero except Cap
>That kid holding a Captain America Sam action figure at the end even though Sam is returning to his old duds
Also weird bit, after that history erasing thing, Riri is no where to be found on that page

I felt nothing. It was bland, almost offensively so. But so bland that I wasn't even mad.

Cap coming back should have been something but the way it was handled was just so lifeless.

>>95000551
No, Hydra Tony will become the new Red Skull.

should have been the result of Reed Richards putting the multi verse back together wrong.

it was... ok? like it wasn't CW2 bad but it wasn't groundbreaking either. Like I'm just not sure what the point of it was. I know there was obviously some Trump subtext and it was all about how putting too much trust in one person can go wrong but I just don't think they delivered the message properly. If Trump, in all of his insecurities and tantrum-throwing, were to read this, I don't think he'd feel personally attacked.

As ironic as it is, i feel like this anti-censorship story had a lot self censoring going on- both from Marvel and Spenser. Like there was so much backlash just going into the story that there were probably several rewrites and focus groups brought in to make sure that no one was offended, that they just made a story with no end game. you can tell they wanted to be a lot more extreme with the story, but had to reel themselves in to avoid too much backlash

Also, does anyone think they were way too hard on Hydra-Cap? Not that he wasn't an evil bastard or anything, he certainly was. But it was established that HC was literally our Cap with his memories rewritten in all os Spenser's stories. Then a new completely different Cap comes in and beats up and replaces the old one. But the old Cap was just the main Cap with memories altered. Its like if you had Alzheimers and started acting different and then your twin replaces you after kicking your ass and everyone declares your twin to be the new you. It's messed up a bit if you think about it. Or maybe I'm just looking at it wrong

I was jerking off while waiting for the storytime to finish
I didn't end up enjoying either

>>95000518
underrated

>>95000481
What I want to happen is that someone corrupts AI Tony with AXIS magic to make him into Superior Tony and the Superior Avengers come together. The reality is probably
>>95000584

>>95000584
Speaking of, if Gruenwald's Cap was ever referenced in Secret Empire, then that's a Bingo I think.
Did it happen in #10?

>>95000545
Teen Tony got reversed after Heroes Reborn/Return due to Franklin Richards somehow combining old Tony, Teen Tony, and Reborn Tony into one being.

>>95000697
we already got a bingo with the last issue

>>95000372
Spencer should have stuck with his original idea of Falcon beating Hydra Steve and becoming the permanent real Captain America

Backtracking because some pathetic fan boys cried online is a bitch move

>>95000756
>Marvel should change
>Marvel should have balls and ignore fan backlash
Which do you want, anon? Because personally I want Sam back as Falcon. But even if he didnt, I doubt Marvel would write him any better regardless

>>95000755
I'm hopelessly edgy and all, but the Hydra version of The U.S seemed a fair bit better than before.

>>95000372
Storytime it

>>95001073
It was already storytimed.

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> I am an Elder Goddess!
> Chthon has the hugest boner for me! (so lol scarlet witch is my bitch)
> I'm so powerful and scary!
> Does very little other than be a creepy Oedipal figure to HydraCap and uses a cosmic cube shard to make hydra cap worthy of the hammer , then dies like a bitch in an explosion...because Elder God's are of course that easy to kill.

>>95001179
I mean, she was nuked. Nukes are no joke.

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It was bad enough that we're glad its over and the storytime is probably in the archive by now, because of all the posting.

>>95001217
Elder Gods should be able to tank a nuke

>>95001258
Not if she spec'd into INT instead of CON.

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>>95000372
>Steve gives Sam his shield
>Please give me back my CAPTAIN AMERICA action figure

So how salty do you think Nick is that Captain Falcon bombed and he's being demoted to Falcon again?

I mean, this event was to prop up Sam. And it still failed on that. And now Steve is staying as Captain America.

>>95000551
No. The Cap Waid is writing is basically a new copy without the taint. Remains to be seen if he has all the memories.

While Hydra cap gets the baggage. Real but mentally altered.

Honestly felt like the torch was passed to Sam even if he isn't cap anymore.

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Reminder that Tony is such a shit hero that they can't help but make him the villain in some way in everything.

>>95001284
well damn it Kobik shoulda gave her better stats when she created her

>>95001316
Considering it's looking like this was his last Marvel Comic (barring Not Brand Ecch which doesn't really count), I doubt he cares. Not like he'd be writing Sam, Falcon or otherwise, anyways.

>>95000756
Why bother? He already wrote him as being way less effective and charismatic than Steve. The change would just get rolled back anyways.

>>95001316
>So how salty do you think Nick is that Captain Falcon bombed and he's being demoted to Falcon again?
So much so that I got hypertension from reading this event.
So much so that if a snail crawled over the last issue, it would die.

>>95001375
Wait what? Spencer's leaving Marvel?

>>95001316
This fucking page is the most ham-fisted piece of writing I've ever read. And I say that with absolutely no exaggeration.

Two kids fighting over a Cap toy, but wait, it's the new improved Cap we want you to like! Fuck off. Jesus.

>>95001284
Eldar gods are a bit below Shuma in power. Nukes are firecrackers to something like that.

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>I'm sorry I screwed up everything.
>I'll fix things back the way they were.
>Except for Las Vegas and all the deaths and stuff.
>Can't have Spencer's tweet about the cosmic cube fixing everything be a TOTAL lie.
>LOL BYE

>>95001452
Well he doesn't have any books as part of Legacy, and the only book he was rumored to be on was taking over Amazing Spider-man at #800, but Slott is building up to Maximum Carnage II for next summer so he's clearly not going anywhere.

i liked this issue and i think hydra cap is a perfect villain.

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>>95000755
where?

>>95001493
But not before setting up Generations for some reason.

>>95000545

>When you realise that the worst 1990s events you can think of are positively coherent and entertaining compared with events from the 2010s. But people will still complain about the 1990s ones more.

I mean, at least 1990s comics had goals no loftier than entertaining the readers, there were no cringey political 'messages'.

>>95001553
B1 and B4 can be checked now. even then, we don't get Bingo though. We got one box away from Bingo in 4 different spots though so we came close.

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>>95001493

>>95001581
The 90s honestly didn't have many events. The two big events of the 90s were Onslaught Saga and Infinity Gauntlet, and IG is the all-time best Marvel event while Onslaught Saga was pretty good.

We don't talk about The Crossing.

>>95001525
>but Slott is building up to Maximum Carnage II for next summer

What in the fuck

>>95001619
Yeah, looks like Norman Osborn is going to get the Carnage symbiote.

>>95000871
if you like fascist dictatorships, I guess

>>95001581
>cringey
>>>/v/

>>95001619
Not surprising. Slott loves taking old events and "fixing" them. It's why he did Clone Conspiracy. It was suppose to be Clone Saga done right.

>>95001605
>The 90s honestly didn't have many events

You might want to recheck your facts

>>95001690
There were CONSTANT crossovers, but not so much line-wide events.

>>95001666
It's also worth noting that in his 7 years as the sole ASM writer, Slott has never once used Carnage. The only other noteworthy Spider-villain that I can think of that Slott has never used is Judas Traveler.

>>95001666
And it turned out worse.

>>95000372
The real question is what was worse, Civil War 2: electric boogaloo or Secret Empire

>>95001366

So civil war Tony all over again?

>>95001782
Civil War was worse.

>>95001550

Evil Reed, Hydra cap, superior Tony, pymtron when?

>>95001797
More like the crossing except Caps not a teen.

>>95000481
do another two americas arc

>>95001493
>A reminder of our promise: Never again.
Never again? Never again what? Never again allow someone with a cosmic cube to rewrite history into something pro-Nazi-ish? Nobody who suffered did anything wrong. They didn't vote Stevil in, etc. What the fuck?

>>95001811
I want to say Civil War 2 as well but although that was bad at least stuff happened until the ending pulled a poochie. This was literally a ten part event where the only thing that's happened was las vegas got trashed.
Plus spencer's captain america can pretty much be ignored since waid's cap will pick up as if that never happened .

>>95001961
Never give a fascist legal authority that can be abused I guess, but I doubt Carol's going to be giving up anything.

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>>95001977
Spencer right now.

>>95001961

Vote Hillary

>>95001782
SE managed to make Civil War 2 even worse in retrospect because it showed that the visions were 100% bullshit

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So what was the outcome of Punisher joining HydraCap?

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>>95002033
Also Spencer appropriately enough. What comes around goes around.

>>95002033
Spencer is getting his turn at doing this in Not Brand Ecch. Few pages of him taking the piss out of himself, then off to Image to live out his days. It's funny that Hickman mentored Spencer then Spencer proceeds to pull a Hickman on a smaller scale.

>>95002048
He lost in a fight to Black Widow and is now becoming the new War Machine.

>>95001961
The whole event is full of stock "epic" dialogue that could have appeared in any event in the last 20 years.

>>95001605
I always forget IG was the 90s.

>>95002048
It gave Marvel headlines on the internet.

>>95002124
In other words, it still makes no sense for him to join Hydra.

>>95002135
I'm almost convinced both Civil Wars had that line.

>>95002048
me getting mad at idiots on /co/ saying it was in-character

>>95002252
I'm really convinced those were shills.

>>95002224
Captain America asked him to help kill terrorists and criminals. Why wouldn't he say yes to that?

>>95002090
He needs more than just The Fix to survive though. Morning Glories seems dead, and the Fix is not exactly holding a good pattern:
05/2016: The Fix #2 -- 10,433 (- 30.3%)
06/2016: The Fix #3 -- 11,128 (+ 6.7%)
07/2016: The Fix #4 -- 11,115 (- 0.1%)
08/2016: --
09/2016: The Fix #5 -- 10,463 (- 5.9%)
10/2016: The Fix #6 -- 9,425 (- 9.9%)
11/2016: --
12/2016: The Fix #7 -- 8,246 (- 12.5%)
01/2017: --
02/2017: The Fix #8 -- 7,569 (- 8.2%)
03/2017: --
04/2017: --
05/2017: The Fix #9 -- 7,941 (+ 4.9%)
#9 had a fancy variant

>>95000372
Long ass ploy to get people to care about Falcon while barely involving Falcon in anything important.
He was too busy in his books fighting parallel brutally police forces as an augmented human to be really relevant.

>>95002252
Hydra's big on Punisher's brand of justice. It requires him to ignore all the other things that make them Hydra, but I don't think it's completely unreasonable for him to join up.

Cap is also his hero, which doesn't hurt.

It was bad. It was so bad.

>>95002273
>>95002309
he's not a joiner

he'd sooner kill Cap than join up with actual terrorist supervillains to oppress the innocent

>>95001179
>Oedipal figure
There was no sexual tension tho

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>>95000372
I knew that the tie-in to Generations was going to feel tacked on but HOLY SHIT

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>>95001760
>Judas Traveler
>noteworthy

>>95001782
At least Secret Empire was enough of a disaster that Marvel is quitting events for a while. That alone makes it one of the best events in years.

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>>95001371
Yup. Such a shit hero even though he's saved the planet and Avengers multiple times. Civil War was a mistake.

Wait it's over?

Steve's back to normal again?

>>95002417
Why the hell are they all smiling? None of the meetings thus far in Generations had anything that would be considered inspirational in them. All these people knew their predecessors anyway, so how is meeting a younger version of them at all amazing? Cho talked to Banner before. Sam can talk to Steve RIGHT NOW. He's RIGHT FUCKING THERE. He JUST FUCKING TALKED TO HIM TO FINISH OUT THE EVENT. Kate can talk to Clint RIGHT NOW. He's RIGHT FUCKING THERE. Kamala is STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO CAROL. Jane can talk to Odinson RIGHT NOW. He's RIGHT FUCKING THERE. Laura can talk to Logan RIGHT NOW. He's RIGHT FUCKING THERE.

>>95002309
>>95002273
You're a really shallow person

>>95002545
we don't talk about Fear Itself

>>95001493
>the thousands of people in Las Vegas stay dead
>the Superheroes get to be revived and live and stand around posing and smiling
Jesus, Spencer. Instead of being butthurt about being called out, how about you actually have the superHEROES bring back the victims?

You goddamn sociopath.

>>95002299
Those are decent numbers for a creator owned series.

>>95002577
Everything from around the time of Execute Program and onward was a mess. Civil War was just the catalyst. Thanks Mark Millar.

>>95000481
obviously gonna get pushed as the superior captain america, paving the way for the superior avengers book that leads into Superior Wars written by Brian Michael Bendis

>>95002561
Old Man Logan isn't Laura's real dad

Laura's is the only Generations team-up that means anything

>>95000372
was there a storytime???

>>95002252
Spencerfags are idiots.

>>95002623
yep, went up past bump limit pretty quickly

>>95002557
it's over but Steve is not back to normal, Hydra Cap is the prime version that got his mind altered and has not been changed back.

New Cap was created by Kobik from her memories.

>>95001316
but sam didn't do fucking diddly squat! it was bucky's plan, scott's powers and bucky again doing the extraction, all sam did was kneel and humiliate himself as distraction

this final panel is a fucking middle finger to the readers

>>95002649
Where are they?

They all vanished when "barfina" happened. A few months ago, you would see daily threads here talking about how HydraCap was the most well-written Cap story ever. Where are these guys now?

>>95002623
Storytime
>>94996493

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I'm confused about Black Widow. Is she dead? Alive? She's in the rubble with Rick I think? Who's funeral is it on the next page though. Someone pls help.

>>95001493
what grinds my gears is that kobik is also indirectly responsible for the deaths because she was the one who fucked with reality in the first place. There's no reason to burden the heroes for the mass death because it's her fault.

I could stomach all of it until the very end. I get that they want Captain Falcon to be the new Carol and shoved down our throats, but saying he is the "true" captain america kinda pissed me off. I thought the legacy character bullshit was supposed to end.

So why was Bad Steve losing the fight? I mean he still had the shield + Iron Man suit and they're both equally skilled, also why did bad Steve acted like he had brain damage "Oh Falcon is on my side now and no way this can be a trap" and when he was fighting good Steve, he fucking throws the shield right at him.

>>95002768
dead but coming back really soon

>>95002557
There's two Caps now. Captain Hydra is arrested and may or may not get killed off. Captain America is back though.

>>95000481
Get spitroasted.

>>95002650
I don't know why our mods are so lazy that they can't sticky a thread when it's obviously going past the bump limit it happens with one book every week and it's usually the one's that are popular on /co/ like gwenpool, red hood and whatever event book is out at the time.

>>95002768
It's supposed to be a metaphor hence "Scars of the past was not erased' or something like that so Vegas is still dead and Rick and Widow are fucking dead too.

Did #NotMyCap go to prison?

>>95002894
because it's not a big deal when threads that have lasted for 8 HOURS like Red Hood go past bump limit

Secret Empire just went faster than usual

>>95001316
>>95002796
It makes it extra hilarious since Sam is going back to being Falcon in Legacy. Making all this Captain Falcon pushing/shilling Spencer did completely pointless.

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Will my glorious head cannon of The Maker, Pymtron, HydraCap, and Maestro teaming up become reality? Here's hoping.

>>95002901
So Ben and Kaine are certainly dead than.

>>95002939
I'm not talking about the annual from today, the last regular issue of red hood reached bump limit inside of two hours and as a result people had to make new threads to continue the conversation after it got archived.

>>95003058
Nahhh. The book either takes place before the destruction or after the destruction and was quickly fixed.

>>95000585
>Splash paint wanking over every hero except Cap

You can tell how asspained Spencer is that editorial made him have Steve beat Hydra Cap instead of Sam.

>>95003146
too bad.

>>95002417
>not as single white male

Bravo, Marvel. Truly progressive.

>>95000372
I'm glad I finished it. Now I have zero marvel on my pull. And if you don't too, I honestly want to know why.

>>95003263
Why were you pulling this in the first place.

So what is this our 6th event where heroes fight each other?

House of M
Secret Invasion
Civil War
World War Hulk
Shadowland
AvX
Axis
CW2
IvX
Secret Empire

God. Marvel needs some new material.

>>95003263
Marvel has been purged from my pull as well. We all need to boycott Marvel from now on. Let legacy be a huge fucking flop.

>>95003285
I don't know if Secret Invasion would count, since the whole WHO IS A SKRULL thing got dropped pretty quickly for Super Skrull fights

>>95003235
Are you telling me that weird looking blonde guy in the suit isn't a dude. I refuse to believe you.

>>95000638
Sam Wilson is a ganlord pimp who was rewritten to be a social worker, so it all works out okay.

>>95002577
Fear Itself was shit but Tony was pretty based during it.

>>95002949
Sad part, done right, Sam as Cap could have been a logical, fun evolution of the character(because who else gets the shield? Bucky and John Walker had their time.).

But no, just more Bullshit from Marvel.

>>95001782
Civil War II was offensively bad. Secret Empire was just Meh.

>>95003333
I counted it because aestheticly for a bit there was still heroes vs heroes. Maybe it's like a 1/2 point.

>>95003353
I am a social worker. Not sure how I feel about this.

>>95003353
Other way around, dude. He was retconned to being a pimp brainwashed by the Red Skull into the social worker persona as a ploy to fuck with Cap. Later writers have largely ignored it.

>>95002840
His watched his surrogate mom die and all his ex-friends still hate and wanted to kill him.

>>95003438
You are a horrible person and are a detriment to your community.

>>95003530
Ooga booga. I'm here to take your kids.

>>95002695
>>95002649
Sounds more like they were shills. Same people trying too hard to claim that Punisher was being in-character. It's embarassing for them.

>>95003551
Punisher is a mass-murdering psycho

So is Secret Empire over?

>>95003580
but he still has moral standards that include not working for other mass-murdering terrorists

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>>95003235
I think your missing that Carl Danvers. Look how handsome he is.

>>95001654
t. Inhuman

>>95003619
Can't fool me. There are breasts there

So are the mutants going to give back New Tian, or are they just going to keep control of a chunk of the Western US?

>>95000372
I actually really liked it. It certainly dragged on in some parts but for a summer event I had fun.

>>95003685
Well developed pecs. Carl is well known for his love of the gym

>>95002561
Yeah I 100% argee. I think what they want to convey is these heroes meeting the legacy heroes in moments were they didn't have their shit together, so they can see how the real situation was played out without anything being left out.

It's still dumb tho.

>>95001597
You know when you have the ability to bring back all the dead, dragon ball z seems to be the only fuckers that bring back civilians.

>>95003739
but that was the entirety of the Hawkguy series

>>95003742
Civilians have no value. They have no superpowers.

>>95003418
I wonder which event was more mind numbly stupid, AvX, IvX or CWII. The mental gymnastics to justify those 3.....I mean what the fuck?

>>95002545
Tony is my favorite Marvel hero for pretty much these reasons and more. Shame Bendis killed him and also couldn't write him for shit. I can't wait til I can read Iron Man again.

>>95001493
So this basically implies Kobik CAN fix things she just chooses not to because history? Shit, fucking write on a book or something you stupid shit.

>>95003590
Not quite. We still have Secret Empire 11 errr I mean omega.

>>95003899
That sounds like the start of a new series.

>>95003285
Original Sin, I guess

>>95003720
No one knows what's going on with the mutants

>>95004150
>Omega
>sounds like the start of a new series

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>>95000595

Real Tony and Banner from Ultimate universe still alive is some place in universe

>>95001247
brown kids outnumber pale kids
pale kids are a minority
Cappy is spouting 'blackisms'
>dystopia

what message are you trying to send, Marvel?

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>>95000372
>Sign this.
>What does it say...?
>It just says that you agree the people that threw you in camps were just following orders and you won't try and get back at them legally or anything.
>But... what about what happened at the Nuremberg Trials...?
>Look, you want to go back to your vandalized home or do you want to wait in line again to try and get justice...?
>Well when you put it that way, where do I sign?!

>>95004236
It was only a detention camp. Those are US-approved.

Was there any payoff for half of the subplots at all or were they in the tieins?

>>95004451
No. There is no pay-off.

Now go pay $10 for Legacy aka Cavengers, bitch.

Anyone who buys a Marvel comic after this is a moron. Marvel doesn't care about you. They don't care about telling good stories. Of fucking course this was always going to end with a Cosmic Cube reset. Of course the legacy heroes would get shilled. Why did Thor's hammer get altered? HOW?! Fuck you, we're Marvel, that's how.

Don't buy their comics. They don't like you. They don't respect you. They lie to you, they belittle you because they know you're going to keep shoveling money into their mattresses so that they have something to lay on while they're fucking your mom. Don't buy anything they make. You like Moon Knight? Don't buy it. Think X-Men might be getting good again? It won't last. Because they don't care. They will do this again in a heartbeat to the characters you love. They will stick Spencer's or Bendis' or whoever's dick right up your ass because you always say thank you after they take it out of your throats.

But of course you're going to keep buying. You always do. Maybe this time it will be different. No more events, no more hero vs. hero, a return to form. Or maybe, just maybe, Marvel are lying to you to get your money. Now which of those two choices seems more likely? Fuck this trash and the clapping harp seals who allowed it to happen.

>>95004585
Can I continue to read storytimes?

>>95004236
Never heard of Guantanamo Bay? That's standard procedure

>>95004585
Yeah I'll go from getting all my comics from 4chan to getting all my cover from 4chan. That'll show em.

>>95004605
Yar Har Matey. Bein a Pirate is the way to go. Come sail the seas of torrents and scans with me ya scurvy dog.

>>95004585

it's so cute to see people for who this was their first event

>>95004699
Secret Wars left a far less horrible taste.

SW(2015) >>>>>>>>>>> CW2/SE

>>95000481
Watch as GoodCap is no longer a virigin.

>>95004605
Of course. How else are we to continue laughing at Marvel's incompetence? I want to see the car wreck. I don't want to have to pay to see it.

>>95004585
What crawl up into your asshole? If you don't like it, you don't like it.

>>95004727
>Because he is the idealized Captain America created by a little girl, he has no sexual parts

>>95000372
Badly paced, did nothing with its premise, had nothing meaningful to say.

>>95004723
Secret Wars was total shit, but in a different way from the other two

>>95003235
you made that joke in the storythread

>>95004821
How so?

I enjoyed the art, story, and pay off. Aside from the delays and added issue what made it a bad story?

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>>95000481
>You're gay, Steve.

>>95004928
>much of the plot happens off-panel
>not even in tie-ins
>Miles' Deus Ex Machina ass-hamburger
>lots of build up to cool moments that end with "lol and then he died in the very next panel" which is a flaw with the entire run, not just the event
>a lot of the page count is Doom whining about how being God is hard
>reused art, both from within the series and from stuff Ribic did years ago
>Ribic was clearly rushed on the original artwork and it shows
and the fact that the massive multi-year multiversal Crisis event ends with a punch-up between two guys with a third guy saying "this one wins"

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>>95000372
So, Kobik removed Stevil's reality warp, removed the TrueHydraPast bullshit, but left the scars of war (Widow and Rick dead, Las Vegas bombed) so that "the lessons would remain".

What lesson was that, again?

"Don't let Kid Gods rewrite reality according to the whims of Nazis"?

Good moral. I'm sure Aesop himself would have been proud.

>>95005022
The worst part is that it's still better than most Marvel crossovers in the 10's.

>>95000481
My name is Kobik, and I've been with Bucky and Steve. The good Steve is in the Cube, and he can't leave. Write it in your diary.

So the Ultimate Losers are Hydra Cap and Deadpool

>>95005045

>>95001597

I really dislike how they made DP into Stevil's lackey

>>95005090
>>95005149
And his life was fucked big time by it.

Thor grew some spine at the last minute and Frank never had anyone's respect, so he didn't lose anything, but Deadpool got fucked in the ass.

He kinda deserved it, to be honest.

>>95005022
I can agree with the superfluousness of the tie ins. Ending was shit as well. That's a major problem for most big events. I like the postulations of Doom personally though. Doom fag I know. I really can't complain with Ribic's art, but I also didn't read much build up.

It isn't a masterclass in events but I'd still say it's a contender for top 10 good events.

>>95005199
Yep - now everyone hates him and now Deadpool is like it (do i think Preston could come back - maybe but he still royally fucked up and no one is ready to forgive him)

>>95003742
Your use of that word proves you to be little more than a meat body work slave.

What happened to Magneto?

>>95005264
He magneted some stuff probably.

>>95004911
Sadly, it's not a joke.

>>95005264
He's bringing down Hydra's tentacle rape helicarriers.

>>95005264
He went into hiding during the main event, and when Steve pressured Emma for the cube fragment, he intervened, attacking the dreadnought Captain Hydra and the others were in.

Do you think Deadpool will redeem himself

>>95003736
Which badge do you get for beating him at pocketto monsters?

>>95005372

his Legacy book is titled Despicable Deadpool (still written by Duggan) and seems to be him returning to less heroic ventures (first arc is about him trying to kill Cable?)

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>>95005372
You decide.

>>95005372
Deadpool vs Carl : The Road to Infinity Gauntlet Championships Starts Here!

>>95005399
Of course he won't redeem himself right away but eventually

>>95005045
Where are you when we need you now Iron Man?
>it's spelled c-u-c-k

>>95001258
god or man all die to enough explosion

>>95001597
>>95003742
>>95005096
I can picture the way Spencer was thinking:

>"If I just use the Cube to make everything back to status quo again, they'll cal me a hack! I need the SE events to stick!"

But he forgot that by tying the Cube's undoing of Hydraverse into the ending et al he became an even bigger hack. There was no reason for Kobik, who finally understood it was all her fault, to NOT undo the SE events entirely. So, Nick arbitrarily decides that "she wanted the lessons of the war to stay in place". Ergo, decided it was not her fault after all!

Why didn't he just make her sacrifice herself in undoing Stevil's final super-warp?

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>>95005462
About to snap Riri's neck when Bendis finally transitions him into a villain, hopefully.

>>95000372
Strong start, went bad bland during/after attack on the mountain, ending wasn't CW2 like some faggots are suggesting but it was so blegh. Needed more hydra focus imo. Showcased that Spencer can't juggle narratives with multiple groups and that any future work should be relatively self contained, because when he does put his focus on a group it shines prymtron ongoing when?.

Probably one of the worst events ever, but Its hard to really give a shit at this point, even to hate it.

Its like its at a point where I can't even pinpoint how much was bad about this, it was just kinda shit in too many ways.

Makes me wish Marvel had any concept of viewer feedback for their stories where they could hear from people telling them "This was shit and here's why, and here's how to change it" but I know those companies aren't really interested in making real stories anymore. They get off on people telling them its shit, to them that's a success, having people hate the story is a success to them because it means people are still talking about it, which tells me I shouldn't even do that. The only way I can make them change what they're doing even slightly is to stop caring entirely.

I think even supporting stories I like still filters into them giving stories like this more power in the long run.

>>95005721
I think the mom should be villain with that face.

>>95005721
>Talking about fish to a hologram connected to all the world's racism and deepweb porno
Bendis, I don't expect anything of you, but that's no excuse to head into negative territory like a priest with a van full of sugary treats [this disgusting metaphor died on the way back to it's home planet]

>>95005208
As a one time F4 fan, I enjoyed the ending except for the fact it was so delayed but most of the hype building led no where (phoenixclops, thanos, etc)..

>>95007048
I'm sure Prof. Warren is blowing Spencer over at CBR right now

>>95000480

>blandest

You mean shittiest. It honestly made it 10 times less enjoyable

>>95007048
My eyes are melting

>>95004723

Secret Empire was bad, but not even close to Civil War II bad. That was just offensive.

>>95007851
yeah it ruined the entire thing for me and took any drama there was away from every big fight/event

>>95002545
>Civil War was a mistake.

tony was a piece of shit before civil war

>>95002324

>he'd sooner kill Cap

nope. hes a cap fanboy

>>95010226
his fanboyism would not extend to joining supervillain terrorists

if it came down to killing Cap or joining Hydra, he'd kill Cap

>>95010288

apparently thats not the case. if this same fucker can beat the penance stare, none of the rules apply

>>95010455
that's why it's out of character and Nick Spencer is a hack

>>95010455
Blackheart beats the stare and he is literally made of evil

>>95008343

I wish I had a Cosmic Cube, so I could make this not happen.

>>95003025
I liked that one issue with pymtron more than the entire rest of the event.

>>95000372
I've read worse.

>>95002561
Makes sense for Chulk to be smiling, since he got a chance to talk to Bruce one last time.

So did they keep Natasha dead so Miles can finally have a unique code name?

Granted, I can see Bendis being pissy as fuck at being told that Miles can no longer be called "Spider-Man" but has to be referred to as "Black Widow" but given Bendis' role in the last three years worth accelerated collapse of Marvel, that's got to happen to at least give tacit knod to Marvel punishing Bendis for his role in this farce right?

>>95010543

blackheart isnt human.

>>95010764
it's still not good enough and i'll continue to just read my comics for free.

>>95010902

are they seriously gonna call him black widow? not brown recluse or wolf spider or any of the other venomous spiders?

>>95010977
So they can make jokes about him being skittish and getting chewed out by female heros.

>>95011119
>still paid for it
everytiem.

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>>95010898
Cho's tie-in ends with Bruce calling him out on how the Hulk isn't a good thing and that Cho's been denying it

>>95002417
It cracks me up that Riri is the only one missing from the "we were restored. reborn." panel.

>>95011119
>Still paid for it.

>>95002768
>MCU character
>dead
Nice joke.

>>95000372
Loved the whole Cap vs Hydra Cap. Then Steve handing the shield to Sam and the hammer to Jane got my jimmies to full rustle.

>>95000372
So. The real Steve Rogers is (more or less) dead, right?

Spencer left us with HydraCap and a construct based on Kobik's memories.

>>95011438
Yes.

>>95011438
Steve's been Donna Troyed, after what happened to Donna (killed and brought back as an idealized form by Wally West) in Byrnes Wonder Woman

>>95011438
To be fair, who isn't?

Iron Man died during the Crossing and ever since Heroes Reborn, a Franklin Richards construct (with a goatee and not a mustache) has been running around

Spidey died and now exists as a being with second-hand memories of his past gained back via Dr Octopus

That's not counting the shit Thor went through after Fear Itself

>>95000372
First time I have seen someone literally puke out a plot device

Marvel comics is for idiots

>>95011438
he's now in the same boat as Tony Stark and the Carnage Symbiote

>>95011699
>>95011725
>>95011766
>>95011869
Welp.

Fucking Marvel...

>>95001371
Yeah, why did they do this parallel? And they also had lines from the CACW movie - "This shield doesn't belong to you".

I mean it's just to watch how upset Iron Man fans are getting over this parallel. But what purpose does it serve? Show Tony was a fascist in Civil War I? Rehashing that from 12 years ago? Or trying to answer the MCU movie?

>>95000372
Poorly written, way too many asspulls to movie the story along. Also how does Spencer not know show don't tell? Just pointless monologues. Mediocre art too.

>>95010977
they should at least call him Redback, a black and red spider closely related to black widow spiders

>>95012057
They just wanted to shove in "epic" callback imagery, even if it didn't make sense.

>>95005721
>I've seen the future!
>CyberStark has a small stroke of rage

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>>95002389
Their love was pure.

>>95002417

Look at that team of brave heroes that are going to starve Marvel out of customers.

>>95000372

So uhh are they just leaving Hydra cap there? Not dead or whatever?

>>95001961
I wish it was Never again hire shit writers and shit editors.

>>95012611

Why not? They left millions of people in Las Vegas dead. But hey we got the old Cap back so time to celebrate how heroic these new heroes are.

>>95000372
You know it's bad when not even twitter is eating this shit and saying the narration sucked and the only defense a few delusional s can say is ''w-wait for the Omega i-issue!''

>>95012654

Marvel Nevada is now Reno and endless nothingness basically.

>>95000481
Evil Clone Steve is just going to join the Ultimates and kill the Maker because Reed is French.

>>95005721
Good lord her mom is fucking horrified, you can see her screaming on the inside. Then you have fucking AI Tony has this look of conviction that he needs to end Riri's life and find a way to hide the body.

>>95012333
Totally. There are hundreds of ways to draw a fight scene but giving Hydra Cap an IM armor, a 3 point landing and the same parallel to CW? Crikey.

>>95003408
the problem was they were fighting so hard against made up haters they forgot to make him enjoyable to everyone. most people who hates thor had no problem with sam as cap because it made sense

>>95010898
and it ended with him realizing he really cant control the monster no matter how hard he tries

>>95005399
>(first arc is about him trying to kill Cable?
that's probablyx what he owes stryfe

>>95012515
I ship this so hard. God, I disgust myself sometimes.

>>95005721
Why is Toni Stark a ghost now?

>>95014955
he turned himself into an ai

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>>95014955
>>95014959

Tony Stark A.I. Was the biggest fucking fail of the event. I don't know what was going on behind the scenes, but it's obvious someone fucked up big time. Spencer wrote Tony into the story in a huge way. So much so that he basically got resurrected for the event. Marvel editors are a fucking joke.

>>95014988
bendis wanted him dead but was cockblocked by spencer needing tony

>>95014959
>>95014988
But where is real Toni Stark?

>>95014955
Carol turned him into a vegitable after Civil War 2. Beast couldn't fix him because he has "too much shit in his body that he implanted into himself". So now he is just a downloaded piece of software that has consciousness and will soon become a villain with the next 2 years, possibly causing the real Tony to wake up. This of course matters on the sales of Generations. Generations of course being their soft reboot of Marvel.

>>95015002
I know. My point is that you'd think Spencer or Bendis would hash it out at a writers meeting, or an editor would step in to smooth things out. Marvel events are planned so far out in advance. The fact that two events fucked up this hard with cohesion and world building speaks volumes about the staff of Marvel.

>>95015026
Tony Stark got whammied by Carol "The Big Man" Danvers and has been a potatoe ever sence.

>>95012515
Unbelievable but true. What does this say about the writer's subconsciousness?

>>95000481
MAKE THEM KISSSSS
Zemo can join in

>>95005721
Kill her, Tony. Kill them all.

>>95005045

Yeah, I don't fucking get it either. What fucking lesson is there to learn?

Don't trust in heroes ever again???

Because that's all I got from this shit. Basically, Captain America turned out to be the guy who's leading a globalist takeover, so now we need to never fully put trust in heroes in case they're actually bad guys.

Is that fucking it? Jesus christ.

>>95015027
no legacy is. generations is just one shots for the cis white men to give the name to the real heroes

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>>95012515
>overwhelmingly negative opinion of this event means there will NEVER be art of Elisa coaxing Steve into a slow, gentle handjob or anything similar

>>95012611
He was imprisoned according to the new Deadpool. So, yeah, he's sticking around for now.

>>95005045
It also leads to the question of what happens now
America got taken over by Hydra
A bunch of brainwashed people got killed by the "heroes"
A bunch of brainwashed people killed who knows how many other civies
Mutants own California are they just gonna give it back
What happened in Vegas wont stay in Vegas
I know I'm thinking way too into this but they really should have just coped out and went with the "it never happend wish"

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>>95000372
Inb4 arrested HydraCap becomes the new Red Skull

so who the fuck was kraken,

I feel like they set that up to be a mystery and it was never resolved

Vegas is a shit stain on the underpants of society and should have been abandoned long ago.

So are Nat and Rick Jones dead at the end of the event or not?

I mean, so we can get that bingo square checked or not.

>>95017316
Still dead even though Kobik acknowledges she can resurrect them but chose not to to be a reminder.

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They should bring ultimate cap and he would just kill nazi cap. That would be kino tbqh

>>95017334

Coulson and Preston are dead as well, but it happened in a tie-in, not the main series -- should we count them or not?

>>95014969

Was there a Gruenwald reference in the main event?

Where were the people that jobbed to Quasar?

Where's the Trump reference or the rant about millennials?

>>95000481
Have them mate with each other I guess.

>>95002605
Civilians are basically a hive species, Anon. They aren't sentinent.

>>95011119
>bold and brash? more like belongs in the trash.

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>>95014953
>>95016579
They probably engaged in some /ss/ in the past and then he fucked her eldritch brains out with a super soldier serum-enhanced dicking when she came back in the present, or even before then.