Has her costume aged like milk? New 52 had so many tacticool

>>94982001
No, it's a pretty good costume.

Yes, it looks especially awful in BoP when she's next to characters with proper designs.

As far as the rest of the Batfam girls go, I think Steph looks ok.

>>94982010
no it's stupid cosplay shit. her mask doesn't conceal her identity at all. Gordon would know instantly that's his daughter.

>>94982024
>proper designs
Like who? Helena's design is pretty meh.

>>94982010
It would be good for an actual young teenager, but they didn't even use it in DCSHG

>>94982075
>this mask won't protect her identity!
>but those small little domino masks do

>>94982001
> Cass was supposed to get a costume closer to her Batgirl outfit.
> Someone high above Tynion said no. She needs to be a ninja. NINJA!
> Tynion obliges.

Someone above is truly terrified Cass will take away anything Barbara had going since Burnside don't they?

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>>94982121
Helena's imperfect but still a coherent design. Dinah loses points for being a downgrade from the one from her DCYou book, but it's also solid.

Babs just looks out of place literally all the time.

>>94982217
>out of place
Fuck you m8, Superhero costumes are supposed to be an expression of identity not some formulaic uniform.

>>94982217
Superheroes can wear what they want.

>>94982217
does BC still wear a wig? how does it stay on when she's tearing ass through town on a motorcycle?

>>94982249
Except it doesn't express her identity. If she was a wacky young girl it would, but they still write her somewhat mature.

Maybe turn it blue + change the chest logo and it's a decent Stargirl variant.

>>94982159
nope they don't either. it's a stupid design too, but it's tradition so fuck it i guess.

>>94982217
To be fair, they all look equally terrible.

>>94982306
It was bleached in her solo

>>94982307
>If she was a wacky young girl it would
This nowhere near a young wacky girl costume.

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>>94982203
Cass really needs a redesign right now, that random yellow is a punch in the eye
And the designs keep changing in Detective Comics, take Spoiler, sometimes she has a full mask, sometimes not, sometimes she has a partial mask
And the RR design is one of the laziest thing they could have done, it's just a bigger Robin

>>94982354

She was supposed to, Tynion and the artist wanted to give her one apparently. But someone above loves that she's a ninja and not a Bat.

>>94982307
>>94982334
Seriously I do not know how you're getting wacky young girl from this outfit.
It's a motorcycle jacket and and workout leggings.

>>94982354
>And the RR design is one of the laziest thing they could have done, it's just a bigger Robin
Yeah, it's seriously look bad.

>>94982354
Cass is so tiny!

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>>94982001
Pic related: best Batgirl costume, period.

>>94982306
Kate had a wig too, then she had normal long hair, then again a wig, all in the current Detective Comics Rebirth
I dunno what is the canon in her current solo book

>>94982391
Asian
Also she is still a teen, i think

>>94982334
>>94982384
To me it's ultimately very cutesy in a youthful way. Not one particular element though I can point toward things that could get edited to perhaps change the impression to me (flare on the gloves, shoulder clasps, different accent color, different main color?).

I don't think it really fit that well in the run it was made for either, but it is worse now with people other than Tarr (I know CamStew was involved too) drawing it.

>>94982401
i know it's for aesthetic purposes, but the hair should never be exposed on these costumes. it's a liability in a fight. unless it's a ruse like Batwoman's wig.

>>94982611
I mean they shouldn't have capes either for the same logic, at some point aesthetics win out

>>94982546
half-Asian, her dad, Cain, was a big white dude. pre-New 52 she was about 19-20 years old, around the time of her first series. that's most likely not the case now.

>>94982569
>different main color

I used to think that the problem was the purple, that maybe having the rest black and the bat-symbol purple (in a way similar to Nightwing) it would be ok, but i was wrong.
The color isn't the real problem, it's the design of the costume itself, like someone's else said in this thread, the costume has a cosplay vibe all around it

>>94982217
Holy shit, Batgirl looks fucking terrible.

It's like a 30 year old woman dressing like a teenager.

>>94982733
Which I think is a bullshit argument because most superhero are supposed to look handmade.

>>94982334
It's bright purple and yellow jacket, it kind of is

>>94982913
no this is a bullshit argument. she's a member of the bat family, who has billions of dollars backing them, and access to the best of everything. they can easily have professional suits discreetly provided for them.

>>94982913
>most superhero are supposed to look handmade

But thank god, most of the times they aren't

>>94982001
I liked the design up until they showed her making it. Now My headcanon is she's successful enough and it's been enough time that she's paid for a higher grade version of it that isn't sewn together from shit in her closet (that really fucking bugged me).

I don't like the boots but the bat symbol they always tried to put into the top of the old designs was so bad, to me at least, they're an improvement by comparison.

>>94982569
I'm assuming you mean this all in a derogatory manner and are implying that Barbara is acting like a womanchild for dressing up like this but I really don't see how this cosyume is Immature. It's something any college aged city girlnwould wear.

>>94982963
It's a superhero costume.

>>94983026
she isn't being funded by Batman.

>>94983136
so she's not a member of the bat family anymore?

>>94983026
Fuck that cancerous idea of a "Bat family" to death anon, it's nothing more than a clique that force writers into a circlejerk of who's who.

>>94983074
>I'm assuming you mean this all in a derogatory manner and are implying that Barbara is acting like a womanchild for dressing up like this

No, my problem is that she is NOT acting like any of that while the design gives that impression. It looks like a young, rookie hero design to me and doesn't make sense for her outside of flashbacks. Those kinds of characters are fine, but Babs is not that not even when she was written by CamStew.

>>94983201
right, the whole Burnside thing in general seemed like a step back for the character.

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>>94982001
it's an over designed mess, a relic of when costumes were designed to be easily cosplayed.

look how clean and simple the rebirth suits look next to Barbara's.

It's shit desu. It only ever looked passable in that art style.

>>94982001
It aged like two seconds after they created it. It looked AWFUL in the other batbooks and next to other batcharacters.

>>94983651
This

Tarr is the only one who made it look good

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It even looks horrible in animated form

>>94984051
This is why Dickfire won

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>>94982391
>Asian genetics
>Late teens at most
>Likely didn't get full, regular meals before puberty, further stunting growth.

Cass was cursed from day one to be a puny undesirable womanlet without curves. All she has is a frame wreathed purely in strong, lithe musculature.

>>94984051
>Woman in her thirties wants to be hip.jpg

>>94982001
It would work as a temporary design aka what it was supposed to be. But it doesn't make sense for it to stay like this. Why wear kitbashed costume when you can get something good and high tech from Batman like earlier?

>>94982307
>they still write her somewhat mature.

Not in her solo.

>>94984088
Except she has curves here?

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>>94982001
Why Barbara is like this? We all know who was the best Batgirl.

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>>94984088
Ed Benes should draw her

>>94984806

DC trying to make her relevant and terrified that best Batgirl could upstage her at a casual's notice.

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>>94984830

No mortal could survive such a drawing of fanservice. Look at his Shiva. Now think Cass. You're on the floor drooling, aren't you?

>>94982075
You realize this is the same universe Superman exists in, right?

>>94984347
I think the problem is that it has become iconic
Most of the readers right now knows only this incarnation of Batgirl, so it seems natural to keep that costume

>>94982203
I think they didn't wanted to make her too similar to Nightwing
I mean, i don't mind redesigns and changes of nicknames (they can't all be called Batgirl) but her new design is really awful

>>94985516
Also i don't like the fact that they are slowly making everyone dropping the bat emblem

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>>94984830
Fred Benes did a commission of the Cain Family.

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>>94984702
She's a woman who keeps herself in the most honed state she can possibly manage, there's gonna be at least some waist there. All women have some curves, unless they're obese, but Cass just manages the bare minimum, and isn't all that attractive, because:

>Just a skeleton covered in muscles, no fat necessary for real curves. Nothing about her body is soft.
>Covered in deep, ugly scars, the majority having stretched out as she grew.
>No concept or concern for aesthetic, fashion, or makeup.
>Rough, callused hands.
>Probably doesn't use deodorant/perfume, smells funny.
>No tits, minimal ass coincidentally made from her musculature.
>Autisticus maximus.

Artists have had to exaggerate features or just ignore them outright to make her even slightly conventionally attractive.

>>94985616
cute

>>94985516
>(they can't all be called Batgirl)

But isn't Barbara the only canon Batgirl right now?
It seems like Orphan and Spoiler are still rookies, maybe they'll do some fan-service the same way they did with Azrael and some old costume will be referenced only to change again to a redesign (even if it is still not clear if Azrael will get a change of hardware not only software)

>>94985568
> everyone drop the emblem.
> Bat Wing, Jean Paul, Babs, and Kate all wear one.

>>94985727

Yes/No. Babs is sort of the only cannon Batgirl, but Bette still kind of existed as Bat-Girl. Morrison's final gift during his Batman Inc run.

>>94985762
Thank you based Moz

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>>94985736
>Jean Paul

Really? Where?

>>94984957
It's not iconic. No one cosplays as it and fan artists don't draw it anymore. It was a hot trending change in 2014 no staying power.

>>94985736
Jean Paul doesn't and Babs isn't working for/with Batman right now

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>>94985794

>>94985762
>but Bette still kind of existed as Bat-Girl

Why "kind"? what is the story?

>>94985860
He dropped it after the fight with the robo-guy

>>94985762
Wasn't Bette Kane Flamebird or Hawkfire? Is she related to Batwomyn?

>>94982001
That design isn't tacticool, it's practicool.

>>94986603
More like hipstrash

She needs a cute miniskirt like supergirl.

>>94986650
Supergirl is 5+ years younger than her, would be a big mistake to regress Babs further by making them visually similar.

>>94986485
She's Batwoman's cousin and Was firebird but writers decide to change her identity to Hawkfire.

>>94982001
Man, what are you talking about? That is easily one of the snazziest Batgirl designs I've seen.

>>94986812
If Cass isn't becoming Batgirl again they could gave the Flamebird name as a reference to the original Batgirl

>>94986919

If we're to believe the rumor. Whatever Shiva whispers to Cassandra at the end of League of Shadows will relate to her new codename.

>>94986836
We have people on this board who will praise Simone's run. Burnside may not be the best, but holy shit how bad do one's tastes have to run to praise Simone's Batgirl?

Babs will always look like a cheap cosplayer because that's what she is.

>>94984946
You realize there's more to his Clark Kent identity besides the glasses right?

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>>94982001
I like it.

>>94987480
source pls

>>94982217
She looks even more out of place anywhere near the bat family.

>>94982001
Shes pretty flat. Thats hot.

>>94987552
Not really.

>>94987542
https://fightingviper.tumblr.com/post/164320207690

>>94982010
it's good for a DC CW TV show, but shit for comics.

>>94987763
How quick are we to forget Jack Knight's own costume.

>>94987552
Because she is.
Babs isn't driven by tragedy. She isn't this peak human badass. She's just a girl that put on a Halloween costume and said "Why not?". Even her being smart wasn't a thing until well after she had been Batgirl.

>>94987867
>Babs isn't driven by tragedy.
Not every hero is.

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>>94987867
>She isn't this peak human badass.
Wrong, Barbara kept herself in peak physical condition and was a brown belt in Judo.

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>>94987867
>>94988056
You're also dead wrong about Babs only being considered a genius after she was Batgirl, being incredible intelligent was part of character since day one.

>>94987867

So she's Stephanie now huh?

I think that design in beneath her. She deserves a proper costume.

>>94982001

I don't mind the costume but I preferred the black and yellow one she had before. What pissed me off was that "practical" bullshit the writer and artist were saying when the run first started.

>>94987001
It was average. And that's much more than I can tell about current and previous runs.

>>94986919
>>94986973

Well, her current alias is kind of sad, but i don't see her becoming Flamebird, she works too well with black
Honestly i think they are saving that persona for a member of the Super-family or Tim

>>94992936
they didn't even do a good job with that, the tone of the book wildly yo-yoed between serious and slapstick, the worst issue was the one where her utility belt exploded yet Babs didn't have a scratch on her.

>>94982217
it's both ot practical\realistic enough AND too comic-book-ish at the same time.

I do think it's easily fixable by tweaking the mask(smaller eye-holes) and the cape(hide the buttons attaching it to the body and make it more a "standard" cape or make it more a raincoat)

>>94982755
>It's like a 30 year old woman dressing like a teenager.
she _IS_ a 30 years old woman dressing like a teenager.

>>94983073
>Hmm, this advanced specifically made for me body armor that can stop bullets and save my life like it has already and costs potentially a million dollars just isn't cutting it...
>I know! Trash rags from the back of my closet! 5 Below really is the best for endangering my life in!

It's even worse when they outright had the audacity to say it was the first realistic and practical superhero costume in comics. Yikes

>>94984051
it needs more colour breaking up the purple.
A belt on the wait would be great

Still looks more something a teen\newbie hero would make.

>>94984806
Holy nightmares, Batman! That's not something you want jumping down on you at night

Or do I?

Awww yeah

>>94993841
Last I saw in the current era she was only 20 or so unless it was changed back

>>94982001
She looks out of place averywhere, even in her own book, just see the current team-up with Nightwing she is having, it's almost like she comes from a different franchise

>>94993941
She's still a few years older than Dick, who is now mid-20s AT LEAST

>>94993973
They really fucked their ages

>>94993984
Yeah.

I hope we get back the "10 lost years" and everybody gets to be their real age

>>94985727
>>94985762
For some reason the Batgirls don't get same love of the Robins, it's a bit sad that now they are just random vigilantes
Btw Rebirth retconned a lot of stuff already, i wouldn't be surprised if the retcon Bette too

>>94994003
It's already like that, we just don't know how many years have been stolen

>>94993973
this. her New 52 origin Batgirl #0 states 4 years before Batgirl #1 Barbara became Batgirl while in college for a year, then retired after making a critical mistake (that's the story they're doing now in the current book) years later got shot by the Joker in TKJ and recovered to resume becoming Batgirl and going back to college.

so she's closer to 30 than she is to twenty.

>>94985627
>not getting a ranging boner from your tiny asian amazonfu

you are WEAK old man, your BLOOD marks the water

>>94982001
There are some parts I like about it - the utilitarian appearance, the snap off cape. My problem is it looks like a leather jacket and pants, at least lie to me and say it's made of some kind of bullshittium kevlar weave with a

>>94982075
Babs wasn't chosen by Batman originally, she pretty much was cosplaying.

>>94982159
Bat-made domino masks cover the eyes, so all the Robins look like "generic black-haired guy".

Barbara's cowl leaves her eyes fully open.

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Here's the best costume for her

>>94982001
It's not a bad costume by any means. I know a lot of people hate on tacticool, but Batgirl is a very grounded, down-to-earth hero. She deals with street level villains as a hero, and she is just a regular teenager/young adult in her civilian persona. It makes sense for her to wear a costume like that.

Now, imagine if some idiot gave a similar jacket-based to costume to someone like, idk, Spider-Woman. Heh, imagine how stupid THAT would be, amirite?

>>94994300
>>Now, imagine if some idiot gave a similar jacket-based to costume to someone like, idk, Spider-Woman.
Actually, the main problem of the modern Spider-woman costume is the mask\glasses and the lack of a recognisable symbol

>>94994332
Was just about to say this

>>94988175
>not even 1 dan

>>94994292
>Here's the best costume for her

Can't argue with that.

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>>94994171
That Cass looks familiar.

>>94987997
Bats are.

>>94988056
>>94988175
Brown Belt is like 3rd place and the other Bat characters, even Tim, end up trained by the likes of Shiva. Babs is a bronze medal in a world super golds. Color me unimpressed.

>>94990794
Other way around. Stephanie went from being the white trash fuck up to got turned into Babs-lite when she became Batgirl.

>>94994373
add a symbol and make the glasses turn into a full mask and it improves a lot.

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This is the best Batgirl costume. Prove me wrong.

>>94995013
i can't

>>94993719
So what then will Tynion give her?

>>94994056
Seeley confirmed Kathy was still Batwoman early on. So that means Bette was her Bat-Girl.

>>94993893
That is kind of the point. Cass was fucking terrifying and her costume did a good job of demonstrating this, while still being useful.

>>94995013
No functioning pouches, no armor, and it's covered in glitter.

>>94994503
Huh I just realized they came out both at the same time. The costumes at least.

>>94994606
Yes/no. Babs became Steph Lite after the New 52 hit.

>>94985627
Cass has only ever been that thin when artists draw her to be, usually forgetting that she is a well-known big eater. There's scenes of her slamming down several pounds of food in a single sitting, then going out and blowing all of that on destroying entire gangs of street thugs. It'd make more sense if she actually had fat, especially if she wants a reserve of energy for fighting longer.

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Cass or Steph or Babs or Betty?

>>94995632
Cass and Steph.
With Babs as mission control.

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>>94982001
Dan Mora needs to be drawing her book full time for her to ever really look good.

>>94993719
Any Flamebird should move to Bludhaven and work with Dick or another Kryptonian at least, so I'm not sure they'd do that to Tim unless Connor was back.

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>>94982001
I actually love that costume. I don't even read Batman stuff but whenever I see her in that costume on a cover or something it makes me happy. I Think the boots/gloves/jumpsuit make a great "easy but not impractical" look, like she's taking the job seriously, but still having fun, and I love the purple/yellow.

>>94987867
I think that's why Oracle was a better fit in the Batfamily, after having been on the receiving end of severe psychological trauma like the rest of them. However, a female character being in these situations seems to be tabboo these days. That's why Simone tried to retcon the killing joke out of Babs' origin story. It would be like rewriting Batman so that his parents never died, removing all suffering/character growth from a superhero in the name of social brownie points.

>>94995752
>I actually love that costume. I don't even read Batman stuff but whenever I see her in that costume on a cover or something it makes me happy.

Babs current fanbase, ladies and gentlemen.

>>94995820
That wasn't Simone. That was the Burnside crew.

>>94996332
Da fuck?!

>>94995679
This cover is a proof that a color change wouldn't work either
Btw in the issue she still looked out of place, except for the flashbacks

>>94995387
Personally i like Orphan, it's in line with the character, but if they are going for a new nick i don't think they would use old names like Black Bat but rather using a new one

>>94995731
This is not a rule
Sure they would be destined to team-up but they don't have to stay together for the names

>>94982001
Steph's spoiler suit and Cass's Orphan getup are both really good imo.

The only batfamily suit i dislike is the Signal one, way too much yellow

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>>94997035

It's obvious that he'll be giving her a new one. But what? I just want something akin to her Batgirl costume. Gordon's Batman has a VERY good updated bat symbol for her. I'm still shocked they didn't give her that darn suit.

>>94994606
>She isn't this peak human badass.
See >>94987867
Don't move goalposts Anon. You were shown to be talkong out your ass. She has martial arts training, she's' in top physical condition, and most importantly we see that her being smart was always a thing.

>>94997537
I don't care about the yellow as much as i care about the symbol being bright
He looks like he literally have ha bat-signal on his chest, it's kind of lame, even if it probably has something to do with his superpower

>>94997587
Oh you was talking about the costume while i was talking about the alias, my mistake
Yeah i hope he'll change that costume.
Spoiler's is fine but it could use some changes too

>>94997587
Boy that would be great
The mech bat did make an appearance recently, so who knows

>>94985937
I think one of the changes Fox will do to the old suit will be the logo

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>>94999360

The Bat symbol is too perfect for Cass not to use.

>>94999472
Sometimes i miss him /co/

>>94982401
I'd agree, but below the belt it's stupid.

>>94982001
Her new costume was the best thing about that awful series.

>>94982075
She's a girl who can do things that aren't cooking, makeup and shopping, and THIS is what ruins your suspension of disbelief?

>>94982001
Boy she could have used some fashion advise from her daddy >>94999472

>>94984051
It's the mask. Doesn't hide anything and totally out of place.

Also she needs some armor in those leggings if she wants to be 'realistic'

>>95000302
Why?