Canadian LCS owner blames current Marlel for store's closure

>>94910064
>So where there was once a single monthly title starring self-reflective mutant antihero Deadpool, there are now four
see this is what they keep doing, one book does good so they make 5 versions of that book and wonder why they don't sell

>>94910064
>he says, while wearing a Batman shirt
I'm not saying he's wrong about the general quality of Marvel books but he's doing a poor job of looking unbiased.

Peter's still around and so is "Odinson" and movie synergy didn't ever bring shit for sales.

>>94910064
>There’s also a disconnect between the company’s comic universe and the cinematic one.

Good.

It's weird, synergy was bad but what Marvel has done lately is the opposite and actually worse.

>>94910064
So is this a jab at DC or Marvel? Does it mean Marvel is not pulling in their fair share of readers with good stories? Or that DC's books are not better than Marvels to make up the difference?

>>94910064

But... original flavor Spider man and Thor have books about them.

People here keep talking about how they dread the MCU becoming popular because this meant synergy with the movies.

So far, the OPPOSITE is what's killing Marvel.

>>94910064
>And Spider-Man is Hispanic.

Miles only got ONE book. There are literally THREE peter parker books.

Stores closing is a very good thing, sooner this industry dies, closer this medium will get to being taken seriously.

>>94910128
Marvel fans say Marvel sucks now.

>>94910138
The article has no mention of DC or any of its characters and titles.

>>94910201
The article also forgot to respond to those aforementioned customers that Peter Parker STILL exists.

>>94910128
>This guy ruined his livelihood and is blaming Marvel because his shirt clearly outs him as a DCFag.

>>94910230
Not to mention, Bruce banner is back.

>>94910230
>The article has no mention of DC or any of its characters and titles.
Sorry but BATMAN is mentioned.

The Comic Book Collector also has a Facebook page but its posts are mostly about capeshit and mainstream geek culture.

>>94910064
why didn`t he stop to buy the Marvel`s "needless, low-quality books"?

>>94910266
Then why OP blame it on marvel?

are the LCS obligated to buy all the books? Can not they choose which to buy and in which quantity?

>>94910386
>>94910230
>>94910138

Absolute cretin here today.

>Morris says, is the proliferation of needless, low-quality books the last few years from Marvel Comics especially.
>From Marvel Comics especially
>Marvel Comics especially
>Marvel Comics
>Marvel

I wonder who it was a shot at.

Soooo DC, Indie Books and(Possibly) Mangas are nothing as well??

>>94910506
Marvel makes it so you have to by "x" amount of America to get "x" amount of variants on "x" book.

Basically if you want what the casuals will buy you have to take what nobody will buy.

>>94910064
>clearly doesnt like marvel
>continues to sell marvel
why didnt he stick to selling just DC like a bitch?

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>diversity is our strength

>>94910523
wheres your sauce on that. I havent heard that before

>>94910064
Oh fuck off, I'm getting tired of these sanctimonious LCS owners. For fuck's sake, you bet your monies on a dying medium powered primarily by an ass-backwards industry, if you were a smart business man (and not a fanboy, like most of them) you would know this is a bad idea. And if Marvel's practices were so bad, why the fuck didn't you stop ordering their shit a long time ago?

>>94910513
Marvel's job is to sell. DC's job is to make good comics. Only one of them is holding up their end.

>>94910541
>Why doesn't he just refuse to sell 45% of his possible business?
Lot of econ majors here in /co/.

>>94910559
honestly, you must be pretty new. This is and has been well discussed here.

I have no interest in archiving this. https://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/22/retailers-now-know-exactly-how-many-comics-to-overorder-to-qualify-for-those-incentives/

Many other sources from the alst 5 years on google. "Marvel variant order practices" or something should do.

This is pretty common info.

>>94910562
Hi Alonso, how is ms Amanat in bed?

>>94910064
Why don't these fucks just start selling manga as well and cash in on the weeb market?

>>94910576
marvel?

this guy sounds like an idiot.

>>94910576
I wonder if people on /co/ actually believe this... there must be a couple of them, at least.

>>94910579
>Claim product doesnt sell
>Stock it anyway
econ 101

>>94910618
>Marvel
>selling
Did you miss the fact that their sales are so bad that they're causing the industry to literally collapse on itself? They are solely responsible for dozens of LCSs shutting down.

>>94910623
Because he is
>He’ll have customers come in the store fresh from the multiplex who are confused because they don’t understand why the Hulk’s alter ego, Bruce Banner, is dead.
>And Spider-Man is Hispanic.
>And Thor is a woman.

Let's say that's all true (he gets a significant amount of customers that watched capeshit movies and want to read comics), but it's probably not. Sell them a FUCKING TRADE with Banner or Peter or Thor, do your job.

>>94910646
>>94910541

You don't understand how comics, particularly marvel, work.

You can't just not order it.

If you made it past econ 101 you would know that supply and demand isn't the end all be all fuckwit.

>>94910611

>amazing bookstore in town
>usually pick something up from there every time I'm there for some reason
>has been awhile
>huge fantasy section, tons of boardgames too
>go in recently after a year of not seeing it
>entire fucking fantasy/sci-fi section is nothing but manga

DRIZZT. MANGA AND FUCKING DRIZZT. Don't shovel that manga shit into a perfectly good store, it ruins everything. Read your chinese panty books online like everyone else does.

>>94910064
It could also be because Canada's economy is in the shitter and we don't have the cash to spend on comics

>>94910664
Why would they pay what it costs there? People don't want to buy a book they want to buy a comic. It's a thing, not a story to them. They think "gee I just saw a comic movie, lets check out these comic things." then they get to the store it's all different characters and they're told "buy this 20-30 dollar book of stories from 5-30 years ago".

Then they say no, go online and steal the comics if they're interested int he story, or buy the book for 15 dollars on amazon if they wanted a thing still.

>>94910657
did you miss their earnings report because your bias opinion?

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>The store’s third owner, Morris, 60, says he simply can’t afford to sink any more cash into the venture.

>Steve Jewett sold it to Morris, a self-described “huge geek” in 2001. He regrets it’s closing before what would be the Comic Book Collector’s 40th anniversary in 2019.

Bwahahaha, so a JEWett sold it to this dumbass fanboy (>muh continuity) who sunk it and he's blaming Marvel.

Good job, idiot.

>>94910064
>He’ll have customers come in the store fresh from the multiplex who are confused because they don’t understand why the Hulk’s alter ego, Bruce Banner, is dead.
>And Spider-Man is Hispanic.
>And Thor is a woman.
Yeah, that would confuse a lot of people

I don't mean to get into another debate but there was one of those "manga publication vs. comcs" threads the other day and when someone brought up that 'manga is better because one author, one publication, one story. You don't need to go reading back issues or crossover events to understand things" he was responded with "hurr that's why there's relaunches and new arcs you don't have to read everything".

Well sure, you don't have to read everything but if you're new, you have to read something, maybe even a fair amount of "somethings". And that's what's killing Marvel right now

>>94910664
Beyond even that, Peter has like 5 books while Miles has 1. If someone comes in wanting a Spider-man comic after having seen Homecoming, do you:
>try to sell them one of the 5 books about Peter
or
>tell them that Peter was replaced by some hispanic kid and not to bother
Or sell them back-issues or trades.

>>94910686
>You can't just not order it.
sounds like bullshit. His claim is it doesnt sell. he doesnt have to buy it

>>94910720
Did you miss the shift key, shill?

>>94910737
>sounds like bullshit. His claim is it doesnt sell. he doesnt have to buy it

He does have to buy it. Comics distribution is handled by a monopoly that will blacklist any store that tries to pick and choose which titles they order. This is what happens in an excessively laissez-faire economic system.

>>94910711
Look, all I'm saying is, you've already fucked up by investing your livelihood in a retarded industry. Mistakes have been made.

Now, if a dumbass normie customer walks into your store asking to read about Thor, sell him one of your cheapest, Thor trades from 2000. Tell him it's fucking awesome even if it's not. Tell him the next movie is based on this story even if it's not. That's all you need to do. No customer walks out empty handed.

>>94910704
I don't read manga but I know that every nerdy fuck at my high school used to read manga and only me and one other kid used to read comics and would constantly complain about the local bookstores/libraries having an extremely limited selection, I only graduated last year and I'm just saying that it's currently very profitable.

>>94910736
There are three LCS in my town, and I can attest one of the store owners does that. He complains aloud about the stories that he's selling to his customers. Why the fuck would you do that? It may endear him to his regulars of course, but it's a retarded practice that will take him out of business sooner or later.

There is a not small amount of LCS owners that are dumb fanboys and shit businessmen.

>>94910143
>>94910230
Peter still exists in 3 main books, but in one book, he's Tony Stark, in another book, he's a married man and father, and in the the third book, he's a cartoonishly absurd manchild.

>>94910720
The term is "biased opinion" anon. Not "bias opinion". A biased opinion is a bias (in a sloppily defined sense).

But also, Marvel's earnings are beside the point. You don't know much about comics if you think they matter to this discussion.

>>94910737
I'm not even wasting time telling you why your wrong when I've provided a link in this very fucking thread you insufferable faggot. You don't know a fucking thing about business or econ. Shut the fuck up.

>>94910786
Look, you think you know what the fuck you're talking about, that's clear, but you don't, that's even more clear.

Welcome to comics, your in for some fun with a whole lot of bullshit. I suggest you check the req lists so you don't waste your time reading garbage. But, what am I saying, you don't want to actually read comics. You just want to act ike your HS business class knowledge is anything more than useless.

>>94910772
This. You're literally FORCED to buy Marvel's garbage and if you try and tell them no then they put you out of business by not allowing you to get ANY comics. Every LCS owner has to desperately tip-toe around and do whatever Marvel wants or else they get the dreaded:
>sorry, you're not diverse enough to be a LCS
email from Diamond and that's it. Try being a LCS when you're not able to sell comics because you didn't order enough copies of America or Squirrel Girl.

>>94910772
Hello /x/. nice conspiracy.

>ITT: People who took a business course think Marvel is running a business instead of a scheme.

alternatively

>ITT: People who know how the business works are being told they're idiots by people who don't know how the business works.

Anyone saying "why don't they just not sell marvel" are the type of idiots that say "if you don't like their casting make your own movie". Completely devoid of any semblance of a factual basis.

>>94910664
>>94910736
The big 2 and comic shops thrive on selling NEW comics. Not trades or back issues. You don't know how the industry works.

>>94910513
In most comic shops only the big 2 really sell that much so if Marvel doesn't sell, it's hard for just DC to keep it afloat and vice versa.

>>94910735
>but if you're new, you have to read something
Wikipedia. It's what I did. Works fine.

>>94910611
You literally can't you fucking faggot. You have no idea how the industry works.

>>94910523
Casuals are the last people who give a fuck about variants. No casual is going to spend $50+ for a $4 comic just because it has a different cover. That's something collectors and speculators do, neither of which actually give a fuck about the contents of the comic.

>>94910845
>I don't know how the industry works but I totally got a C in my high school econ class so I know everything about this industry that I know nothing about!!!
Holy shit the people in this thread are fucking retards. Stop pretending like you know what you're talking about because you don't. That's not how the industry works. You can't just not order their comics. See: >>94910604

There's this thing called "diamond." Look it up.

>>94910892
It's abundantly clear that anyone disagreeing with these posts has no clue what they're talking about. They took econ 101 (just econ, not even micro or macro), learned supply and demand and think that it applies to comics.

Comics are most like the drug trade. If a dealer has a kid that wants to be fronted an OZ he's going to tell the kid to do two. Knowing he wont flip enough by the time he has to re-up, or at a price that he can't recoup, so that he HAS to take the next two in the hopes that he can pay off the remainder from the first two.

You've got your sellers as hooked on the product as their customers.

>>94910976
any store selling variants for that much is likely on the brink of closure. And variants are exactly what casuals want, what the fuck are you talking about? Normies don't know about them but that's the type of shit a casual will go in and buy thinking "thise could be worth something".

>He’ll have customers come in the store fresh from the multiplex who are confused because they don’t understand why the Hulk’s alter ego, Bruce Banner, is dead.
>And Thor is a woman.
You know I can understand these complaints because the iconic characters should be available in some recognizable form, but Amazing Spider-Man is where you go for Peter, who cares about Bendis's pet project that will only exist as long as he's around and will disappear once he stops writing it.

>>94910976
Not to mention, the store owners themselves either collect the variants or try to sell them online for big bucks. Can't complain about the problem when you're part of it.

>>94911006
>buy thinking "thise could be worth something
That's called a speculator, which I mentioned. A casual speculator buys #1s thinking they'll be worth something, not variants.

>>94910842
Why don't LCS just contact DC and other companies directly? I can't imagine that DC wouldn't be on board to hurt the competition

>>94910266

DC has problems as well but if you're walking in from the movies or even the TV shows you can find a title with the heroes you're looking for.

>>94911032
You can't, retard. You have no idea how the business works. See: >>94910996

>y-you can't just stop ordering Marvel
>you have to comply to everyone of their demands
>tons of reports coming in this week about retailers cutting down orders on Marvel
>b-b-b-but!!

Maybe they're just scared little bitches?

>>94910845
Why are retards from /tv/ allowed to post on this board?

>>94911009
>Amazing Spider-Man is where you go for Peter,
Have you read ASM lately? And by lately I mean the last 10 years. Slott has been ruining the character for that long. Spidey was once their top seller in the entire industry. Now he can't outsell event books, and those event books can't outsell regular Batman books.

>>94911032
Why do you continue to ask these questions. Please, I know it's unarchived but jsut go read that story. It touches on it Google diamond as the other anon said.

None of this is secretive or even attempted to be hidden. It's very well documented. I know it stings to find out your high scool econ teacher was wrong but no two industries are the same.

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>Thor is a woman
Not an issue when her story is good.

The issue is when it's shit, or if the character isn't white. At least those are my issues with a lot of current Marvel.

>>94911051
Cutting down orders on Marvel, yes. Not cutting out completely. Despite Marvel's low sales, they're still what brings people into shops. If Marvel dies, the industry dies. As a DCfag, even I know this.

>>94910892
>The big 2 and comic shops thrive on selling NEW comics.
Not judging by the OP they don't.

>>94911045
>>94911095
>Diamond has monoply on distribution
>cut out the middle man (diamond) and contact the companies directly
>???
>profit
I don't see the problem

>>94911116
You don't understand the mindset of casuals.
>I want to buy Thor
>Wait, dat ain't Thor, it's some girl
>Never mind, I'll buy something else somewhere else

>>94911116
But Rooney if this comic book that I haven't been following in YEARS isn't exactly how I think it should be than it must be bad.

Don't get me wrong this was a legit gripe when it started but by this point people walking in surprised about Jane clearly aren't part of the regular comic readership and likely isn't going to be buying comic books with any sort of regularity.

>>94910138
DC comics can't make up the difference. Marvel are the main money earners for comic book shops.

Without Marvel, the comic books industry dies.

>>94911146
Do you have reading comprehension? He went out of business because his new comics wouldn't sell. This confirms that new comics are the lifeblood of the industry.

>>94911151
Why doesn't Warner Bros just make marvel movies to compete with Disney?

This is what you sound like.

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>>94911051
If DC Comics and other smaller publishers were able to make up for Marvel's unit share, there'd be no problem, unfortunately they can't. Marvel Zombies, deprived of Marvel comics they want to buy, simply don't come into the store at all.

>>94910138
Marvel is too big, if they go down everyone goes with them.

>>94911151
The companies have to work through Diamond. DC is literally not allowed to sell comics directly since they have to use Diamond and Diamond has deals in place with Disney's Marvel where they won't distribute to stores that don't stock enough orders of Marvel's "recommended" (read: required) comics which are almost all exclusively SJW pandering comics that don't sell. Then they'll also overship comics so if you buy the required, say, 5 issues, then they'll send you an additional 15 issues and you have to pay for the shipping on that. So now you have 20 issues of a comic that doesn't sell and you just blew your weekly budget on shipping costs for books you didn't want in the first place.

That's just how the industry works. If you're not going to google diamond and look into this stuff yourself then just fucking leave. Don't even reply to this post until you've educated yourself.

>>94911116
>when her story is good.
But it isn't. When Whor isn't constantly winning, she's punching the "patriarchy" or throwing meta jabs against fans of the REAL Thor.

Fucking "Asgardia"? Fucking "All Mother"? Really, Rooney? You're better than this, even for a tripfag.

>>94911174
>if they aren't already religiously buying comics then they don't matter

And yet everyone wonders why comic books sell like shit despite the movies constantly breaking box office records.

>>94911092
Superior was huge, Slott just dropped the ball with Spider-Verse and Dead No More. He can bounce back, he's done it before (Spider-Man sales before Superior).

>>94911151
Anon, you aren't smarter than an entire industry. You may think we're just to deluded anons on /co/ but we're not telling you you're wrong because we like Diamond. We're telling you you're wrong because we all hate Diamond.

>>94911206
What? That would mean DC and Marvel are owned by the same company.

>>94911250
All-mother and Asgardia happened in Fraction's run years before Jane became Thor.

>>94911242
So why does DC even have this deal in place? How does it benefit them?

>>94911251
if it applies to sjw than it applies to the once a year characterfags

You can't cater to people that don't buy.

>>94911216
So shouldn't we place more of the blame on DC (or Image) for not being able to surpass Marvel, even when Marvel's quality is an all time low. You'd think that right now is the time to take their true place at the top of the hill. I mean, DC comics are so wonderful.

Maybe blaming DC for anything is taboo on /co/? Hmmmm.

>>94911255
Superior was a gimmick that banked on the fact that Peter Parker was fucking DEAD and one of his villains was wearing his skin. It also arbitrarily turned Black Cat 180 degrees into a Saturday morning cartoon villain. Fuck that.

>>94911277
Are you really this fucking dense?

>>94911303
It benefits them because its their only option. Stop asking stupid questions that could be answered just by doing some googling and light research into diamond.

>>94911278
Irrelevant. It's all part of the same push to embrace feminism by tearing down a perceived patriarchy. It's all the same meta context. "tear down patriarchy and build up matriarchy" Whor was just the shit cherry on the shit sundae.

>>94911306
So you're saying that comic books should just give up and accept that their biggest book will never sell as much as the average movie last, game, or television show?

>>94910064
LCS owner has only themself to blame for stocking inferior quality product

>>94911355
>It's all part of the same push to embrace feminism
Again, this happened back in early 2011, years before any of the "SJW" shit in comics.

>>94911311
Marvel characterfags want Marvel comics starring their favorite characters in stories they want to read. It's difficult trying to get them to be as passionate about anything else.

Is /co/ really this ignorant about their own fucking board subject?

>>94911371
Read the thread, retard. You're FORCED to buy those comics. Fucking educate yourself, shill.

>>94911311
It's not about assigning blame, you dumb millennial. It's about determining the source of the sales problem and fixing it. Stop trying to fuel console wars.

>>94911384
What do you expect? They don't call this place /co/mblr for nothing.

>>94911382
We've established marvelfags are not going to buy other shit. Now, how about some new customers?

>>94910138
Considering he brings up the issues with movies it's clearly Marvel.

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>>94911384
This image was created in 2013 before Marvel's huge downturn but I don't feel like marking that out.

>>94910168
The matter is trying to create the synergy and doing it wrong on top of that is what's killing Marvel.

>>94911116
Maybe Marvel should focus on making interesting original female characters instead of replacing already popular male characters.

>>94911418
>They don't call this place /co/mblr for nothing.
Exactly. They call this place /co/mblr simply to bait for (You)s. Like you for instance. Have one on me.

Product consumers aren't required to know how the industry works, folks. The consumer's job is to consume. I know some anons are saying some really stupid shit itt, but that's because they want to help. Forgive their ignorance.

>>94911412
Kid, the thread topic literally is
>Canadian LCS owner blames current Marlel for store's closure
>owner blames current
>blames

>>94911418
What does tumblr have to do with fucking anything? Are you really so obsessed with tumblr that you need to shove it into every conversation you possibly can?

>>94911484
That's a clickbait thread title, you fucking dunce. Just because op wants to cause a shitstorm doesn't mean you have to contribute to it.

>>94911463
They didn't replace him. He's still running about having his own journey. He's coming back anyway though, so whatever. Marvel don't understand what makes great comics.

>>94911420
>thinking new customers is a thing in this industry

You must be new yourself.

Congratulations, you're a unicorn.

>>94911384
To be fair, the cancer that is Diamond is only a thing in America. Other markets have more than one distributor and comics are fairly niche in the states in the first place. They are a big thing in pop culture but rarely anyone actually reads them.

>>94911006
There's a lot of people in /co/ that doesn't understand the difference between a casual and a normie.

>>94911353
There's always other options. There's so many distribution companies out that are willing to do it cheaper and less stringent. DC and Marvel deserve to fail if they think Diamond is the only option

>>94911511
>He's still running about having his own journey.
They would have killed him if they could, but he was already dead before, so instead they made him unworthy for the dumbest reason imaginable, then slapped "Unworthy" on all his current book covers. Because that totally respects the character.

>>94911520
There are, both floppies and trades have been growing every year since 2011. Unfortunately, Marvel shitting the bed has made floppy growth sluggish, and they also sabotage their own trades because they don't want to floppy buyers transitioning into trade waiters.

>>94911551
There literally isn't. Educate yourself before you pretend an econ 101 class makes you a master businessman for an industry you know absolutely nothing about.

>>94911174
There's the problem that people isn't getting into comics. There's people that simply stops but not people getting in.

>>94911553
Did you think he was Unworthy from the writing in the book? He seemed pretty worthy to me, Anon. Everyone loves an under-dog.

>>94911577
>Everyone loves an under-dog.
And yet you prefer the bitch. Is it because she's your waifu?

>>94911508
>It's about determining the source of the sales problem and fixing it.

Wait, do you actually think we're doing anything purposeful ITT and we're gonna fix the industry when we reach 500 posts, or we're just here to complain about why our husbando Thor was replaced by a girl with cooties?

I mean, from everything I've read here, you guys have the whole problem figured out already:
>Marvel is publishing genderswapped and raceswapped characters
>Marvelfags aren't buying them because not muh
>Sales overall are down because most customers are Marvelfags
>If Marvel stops selling that shit then everything's fixed
>But then again the only way to make them change is to stop buying their comics
>Which effectively puts shops out of business, aggravating the problem

While all of this is happening, DC is jacking off in the corner waiting for sweet death.

Cool.

>>>94911379
>Before the SJW shit
Matt Fraction has been married to KSD since the early 2000s, lad.

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>>94910845
The Marvel Defence Force is in full swing today and they are fucking retarded as expected

>>94911705
What do you expect, they don't call this place /co/mblr for nothing.

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>>94911384
Imagine if every other board was like /co/.

>WHY IS MARIO EXCLUSIVE TO THE NINTENDO SWITCH WHY CANT NINTENDO PORT IT TO THE XBOX???
>IF STAR WARS IS SO SUCCESSFUL THEN WHY IS DISNEY THE ONLY COMPANY MAKING STAR WARS MOVIES???
> I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THIS WHY ARE THE PEOPLE IN THIS CARTOON ONLY SPEAKING JAPANESE???
>IF SEGA WANTED TO WIN THE CONSOLE WARS THEN WHY DIDN'T THEY PUT MARIO ON THE GENESIS???
>WHAT IS A LINUX AND HOW DO I INSTALL IT ON MY WINDOWS 10???
>WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP GETTING BANNED FROM THE LEAGUE BECAUSE THEY TOOK STEROIDS???
>HOW DO I SHOT GUN???

Terrifying.

>Blaming new trades from Marvel over your store being closed down

If this guy was in business for almost 40 years then you'd think he'd understand everything that makes comic shops worth going to nowadays. Or maybe he's just completely out of touch and doesn't get why the few shops still around get as much business as they do.

>Did he host Friday Night Magic?
>Did he promote and sell board games / tabletop RPGs?
>Did he ever have his bins of old trades on sale?
>Did he cut back on his Marvel orders?
>Did he ever make personal recommendations to sell the issues with Bruce Banner, Peter Parker, and OG Thor?

>>94911179
I was being sarcastic you colossal fucking sperg.

>>94911734
See
>>94910732

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>>94911151
You're so fucking stupid it's actually enraging me right now, if this is bait then you're doing an excellent job

>>94911565
But there literally is. Thisisn't communist Russia, this is the capitalistic United States. No reason some other company can't come in and put diamond out of business

This thread is what happens when the Cartoon side of /co/ tries to fit in with the Comics side because they've watched the movies and read Wikipedia.

>>94911669
>Wait, do you actually think we're doing anything purposeful ITT
Purposeful yeah. Useful? Probably not. This thread is about discussion. The matter that the PUBLISHERS need to handle is how to fix the problem. That's not for us to take care of. But if we can at least identify the real issues, we can at least cure some of the ignorance itt.

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>>94911755
and there's no reason marvel can't make a batman movie

>>94910064
Alt-Right is right.

>>94911755
Even if a comic distrubutor with the resources to do everything Diamond does DID somehow spring fucking wholecloth out of the ether, guess what?

Nobody COULD switch to them because they're under fucking CONTRACT to be exclusive to Diamond.

>>94911311
Straight up kill yourself. I don't know if all the posting in this thread is Grade A trolling or not but holy shit you guys sound like fucking mongoloids

>>94911565
all these fucking shills for Diamond.
And WHY is Diamond the only option for comics distribution? how did this happen? who set it up to be this way?
inb4 "it just just is, stop asking questions, stupid comic nerd, blah blah Econ 101"

>>94911754
I don't see how it's bait. Seems like a very logical plan and if the owner would've done that, he'd probably still be in business

>>94911116
>or if the character isn't white
Opinion invalidated.

>>94911744
Stop trying to be sarcastic on the internet. There are a lot of sincere idiotic statements these days, and too few sarcastic ones. It's usually impossible to tell the difference.

>>94911746
Because he was busy sinking his money into the wrong resources all these years.

He had well over two decades to start adapting to the times and clean up his store's act. I'll bet my bottom dollar he refused to change a single thing about his store and had his fingers crossed when customers stopped coming in.

>>94911790
I don't get your bait but here's a you for ya buddy since you obviously need attention

>>94911805
There are lawyers that specialize in that type of thing.

>>94911809
Why doesn't DC make an avengers movie?

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When will Didio, Jim Lee and rest of DCchads surge a surgical strike on Diamond headquarters to save the whole industry?

>>94911852
>There are lawyers that specialize in that type of thing.

No, no, anon, contracts are set in stone, they are nature's law and can never be changed whatsoever.

Is there any chance of the Diamond monopoly being broken up anytime soon? Surely their classification as a magazine distributor is a massive loophole that should be addressed.

>>94911807
>Straight up kill yourself.

Make you a deal: I'll do it when DC's industry share is above Marvel's, how about that, sweetie? Any minute now...

>>94911720
>HOW DO I SHOT GUN???
As someone who frequents /k/, you wound me with the accuracy of that statement.

>>94910143
But the comic labelled "Spiderman" is a black kid
The comic labelled "Thor" is a woman

The general public will not put in any effort to seek out the characters they want.

>>94911384
4chan boards outside of a few are just idiots shitposting about things they know nothing bout. Go to /tv/ and you'll see a child's understanding of the medium of film

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>>94911840
>He had well over two decades to start adapting to the times and clean up his store's act.

You would think a self-describe huge geek would know that!

>>94910201
But the Miles book is called "Spiderman".
Try explaining to someone, who only watches the films, that there are two spidemen, both with the same name. And if they want Peter they have to choose between Company CEO or totally unrelated married father. Most will say "Nevermind" over having to research this shit on top of continuity.

>>94910832
I thought he was a cartoonishly absurd manchild in the Tony Stark books as well?

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>>94911812
Subtle

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>>94911116
>the character isn't white

Uh, Rooney...y-you're not a r-racist are you?

>DC selling like hot cakes
>Marvel not so much
>Store shuts down
>blame Marvel
>don't blame the people who aren't buying comics to support their lcs
I guess we all need a scapegoat from time to time

>>94911031
>casual speculator
A bit of a oxymoron. Speculators have done a modicum of research at least and think they know the trends and possibilities (and if they ahve a brain recognize there are no possibilities any more.)

Casuals saw the movies, know some comics have sold at auction and think "whats the rare cover?". The "rare" cover is the different one that's in the box next to the register rather than the stack of similar ones on the shelf.

So they pay 10 dollars for the variant, making it so the LCS owner made some money back on those dead stock America issue he needed to order for said variant.

>>94911544
it's true. And there's actually a major distinction especially in a context like this. Casuals are exploitable because they think they know something. Normies just see the movie cause it was out and looked cool or their casual friend was going.

The only "comic" store a normie would ever visit is Newbury "Comics".

>>94911957
Really, the solution should be to put out a "Marvel Proudly Presents" line that follows the movie continuity and is easier for the general public to digest. The only hiccup would he actor likeness fees, but they could probably get around that with the right artists.

>>94911874
>contracts are set in stone, they are nature's law and can never be changed whatsoever.
This kind of thinking is why comic book industry is dying

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>>94911768
This thread is fucking embarrassing

>>94911916
there's currently five books being published with Spider-Man in their title right now, and Miles is only the main character in one of them.
amazing, spectacular, RNV and & Deadpool all feature Peter Parker as Spider-Man

>>94911983
I don't understand the crux here. Are you saying they shouldn't blame Marvel? They should blame customers for not wanting to buy trash?

or was this sarcastically saying that they shouldn't blame anyone but marvel?

I don't get it. The first four points all lead somewhere. And then the last one is "but that's all bullshit."

>>94911809
>And WHY is Diamond the only option for comics distribution? how did this happen? who set it up to be this way?
Massive market crash in the late 90s. Diamond isn't the only distributor around, it's just the only distributor that deals with comic books; it's not a de jure monopoly.

>>94911852
>>94911874
Realistically they probably do have long-term contracts with Diamond, the bigger issue is whether or not another distributor could match or beat Diamond's price and distribution capacity.

>>94910553
>diversity is our strength

>national IQ goes down

>diversity is our strength

>>94911983
>DC selling like hot cakes

Not really though, or not enough.

Serious question: are there really people out there that ONLY read Marvel comics? And I don't mean some of the time (like how right now I'm not reading marvel cause their books are bad) but I mean all the time?

Every comic reader I know either reads Marvel and DC or reads a variety of other publishers.

>>94911957
A halfway decent salesman could easily explain everything in a minute or two and most everyone understands the concept of adaptation changes.

>>94910128
>I'm not saying he's wrong about the general quality of Marvel books but he's doing a poor job of looking unbiased.
Guy owned a comicbook store, what else is he going to wear? Especially if he isn't very fond of Marvel at the moment?

>>94912063

They aren't on the same free-dive mode of failure as Marvel's comic department, so in comparison it looks like DC is successful.

>>94910523
So? Buy 10 copies of America and that´s it, fuck the variants.

I think the blame is to the LCS owner that buys the 200 copies of America to get some variant covers, is his decision to buy 200 to only sell 5 and get stuck with 195. Marvel do not oblige them to buy them.

>>94912095
A suit like a serious businessm- nah, who am I kidding.

>>94911957
>Try explaining to someone, who only watches the films, that there are two spidemen, both with the same name. And if they want Peter they have to choose between Company CEO or totally unrelated married father. Most will say "Nevermind" over having to research this shit on top of continuity.

Do people complain about this with 2099 and ulitmate spider-man?

>>94911856
the answer to your question is because Dc doesnt have the rights to the avengers.
As far as an answer to my question goes, its shit.
unless you're implying that Dc and Marvel "dont have the rights" in using a different distributor, in which case i would ask the exact same questions i put in the post you replied to
inb4 "no spoonfeeding"

>>94911996
There are many reasons why that wouldn't work.

>>94912034
thank you for asking my question. you legitimately helped me there

>>94912088
>>94910143
>actually doing your job

What did they mean by this?

>>94911384
This place is mostly cartoonfags Anon

>>94910064
"I ran my store wrong, better blame it on darkies"

>>94912030
The shop owner makes it sound like his store was dependent on Marvel to stay open, as if Marvel is the only comic distributor, and that's just not the case, where are his customers who are buying comics from DC Image and Dark Horse? How is it just Marvel's fault here that people aren't buying comics? Isn't that everyone's fault?

>>94912187
It means, much like gun stores, comic book shops have a terrible tendency to be operated and staffed by hobbyists and enthusiasts rather than competent sales people.

>>94912240
Assuming marketwide sales trends hold true to the individual retail level, for the sake of simplicity, Marvel products would account for 1/3 of his total business. Since comics aren't a product that are interchangeable, loss of sales in Marvel products don't mean customers will switch to another publisher.

>>94912117
I think with 2099 it's very clear about its premise that it's in the far future.

>>94912240
>Isn't that everyone's fault.

Honestly man, until you show us that you've taken any of our points and went on to research how comics are sold there really isn't much more to say.

You don't know as much about econ as you clearly seem to think and you don't know anything about the business of comics.

it's a legitimate monopoly. If you don't buy marvel diamond doesn't acknowledge you.

>>94912240
In the past 20 years, I've seen a lot of Marvel fans online and offline who stopped reading comics altogether once they got disenchanted with Marvel. I think it's stupid but it happens.

>>94912339
it´s true you will get your income reduced (a lot of people that used to buy Marvel will not buy DC) but getting marvel comics in your LCS and not sold them is worst because you are losing more money because there is no devolution.

>>94912069
Retailers on twitter have talked about how they used to have people who would buy every Marvel comic. Over time it became "every X-Men/Avengers/Spider-Man" comic trickling down to nothing or next to nothing after Secret Wars.

>>94912069
Nowadays I think that almost every casual that starts reading comics only buy Marvel+Batman.

cant they just divide marvel? take the sjw stuff and make one firm, and take the rest of stuff and do comics for normal people. Then we can see what group actually buys comic books.

>>94912395
This is true.

If you talk to someone who vehemently hates comics and they say they used to read them, ask them what books they read. 9 times out of 10 it will be X-men and Spider-man and nothing else.

Marvel is a factory for producing people who hate comics. They are good at attracting new readers but burn through them faster than any other company, and shrink the market even more every time.

>>94910202
>sooner this industry dies, closer this medium will get to being taken seriously.

...And magic unicorns will come flying out.

If what you believed was actually true, Fantagraphics wouldn't have had to hold a fundraiser to keep their company afloat.

>>94911511
its not just thor
Most new female heroes from marvel have just been women putting on the suit of an established male hero
Its like marvel simultaneous wants to push for female heroes but thinks that no one cares about female heroes so they put her on the coattails of a male hero

>>94912633
nobody cares about non-legacy heroes when it comes to new characters. at all. they always sell like dogshit

>>94912159
Aside from likeness rights, which are probably much more expensive than I think, what are they? This sounds like I'm questioning you but it seems like such an obvious thing there must be some good business reason for it.

>>94912521
There something about marvel characters that makes them more appealing to the public and I honestly don't know why. I have watched X-Men & Spider-Man movies and Batman & Superman animated shows when I was a kid and only the former that I remember more fondly.

I mostly read DC when I recently started reading comics and I think that they are the better company to to be honest, but there's something about them that piss me off. Maybe because the way they keep pushing certain characters to the point that you start to hate them and ignore the rest.

>>94912870
>There something about marvel characters that makes them more appealing to the public and I honestly don't know why.

They are marketed more.

>>94911734
Looking at the other stores mentioned in the article, I don't think he did anything other than sell comics. L.A. Mood has friday night magic and board games, and Heroes Comics looks like they have two locations filled with trades, funkos, and other shit.

>>94912870
marvel character are all fucked up so you feel better.
dc have some characters that are essentially good people and if you are not a good one you will not relate and hate it.

>>94912184
And comics are legally magazines/books, so Diamond does not have a monopoly because technically other places could in theory carry them as well outside their publishing system

>In 1997, Diamond's position in the comics industry, as "the sole source of most new comics products to comics specialty shops," ultimately saw the company become the subject of "an investigation by the U.S. Justice department for possible antitrust violations."[3] The Justice Department launched an antitrust investigation into the comics industry and the alleged monopoly of Diamond Comics. The investigation was closed in November 2000, with no further action deemed necessary[16][17] on the basis that, although Diamond enjoyed a monopoly in the North American comic book direct market distribution, they did not enjoy a monopoly on book distribution (books including non-comic books).

>>94912870
From me starting to read comics within the last year, my baby opinion is that I've noticed Marvel characters are more magical and have all these different crazy powers, and a lot of DC characters are more grounded in reality and use a lot of gadgets or have trinkets as the source of their power instead. Plus I think having batman alone makes DC seen as the more gritty dark side of comics

>>94910318
I heard it isn't as simple as just stopping. Don't the distributors send stores the comics and automatically charges them?

>>94910064
>So where there was once a single monthly title starring self-reflective mutant antihero Deadpool, there are now four

Deadpool, Spider-Man/Deadpool, and... what are the other two exactly?

>>94913021
Are you a child? People who like Marvel = bad people and the ones who like DC = good?

I think the reason why people don't give DC more chances because of fans like you.

>>94913147
That's the opposite of what's true. You know Superman is DC, right?

>>94913175
No idea, that´s why I asked but it seems that if you stop buying lots of them you will not get variants and that´s it, so there is no problem besides that.

>>94910318
Because Diamond has them by the balls. You'll buy those books and like it.

>>94913230
I guess he was talking about the mercs for money books?

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>>94911242
>>94913301
>>94913175
Marvel has a tendency to send shit-loads of free copies of random books to boost their numbers. The retailer still has to pay for the extra shipping weight, and then find space in the store for the extra copies.

The Guardians of the Galaxy book was heavily overshipped, and now that #6 came out. the sales have dropped to 25K three months in

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>Diversity set up a stuntwoman for death
>Diversity closed comic shops
>Diversity ruined any chance of Marvel being taken seriously by the majority of comic culture
>Diversity has decreased con vendors' attendance

Why can't you /co/mblr faggots just admit this shit is cancer killing the industry? Fuck any of you who defend this.

>>94913379
Man, that is pretty shitty

>>94913400
Fuck off faggot, you act like /co/ has control over it

>>94913317
there is an actual proven fact of this or is only speculation?
There is some LCS owner that has said "If I don´t buy 500 comics of Squirrel girl, Captain Marvel, The crew and Moon girl they will not sell me any other marvel comic or dc, image, darkhorse, etc."?

>>94910657
no LCS's not learning to adapt over the last 20 years and running their business shitty is causing them to fail.

>>94913379
but are not those free comics for the LCS besides the extra shipping weight?

>>94913400
Bad writing is the problem, not diversity. GET THAT IN YOUR THICK HEAD!

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>>94910064
>So where there was once a single monthly title starring self-reflective mutant antihero Deadpool, there are now four. “Give me one good Deadpool book,” Morris said.
He's talking about all of the side characters ( Foolkiller, Slapshot, ect ) getting books that no one asked for ( although I liked Foolkiller ) ON TOP of there being a Deadpool, Mercs for Money, Deadpool - Spider-man, and Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe ... Again!

Same thing happened with Black Panther: suddenly Black Panther solo plus World of Wakanda plus Black Panther and the Crew.

http://www.comicsbeat.com/titling-at-windmillls-259-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-marvel-comics-anyway/

>>94911242
no DC doesn't have to go through Diamond, it's just that it's cheaper and less risk for them to outsource to Diamond than deal with the hassle of setting up their own distribution system, especially since Marvel attempting that and failing massively is what led to Diamonds stranglehold today

>>94910708
This is the correct answer, obviously. (Though it's not so much in the shitter as just never really having existed in the first place.)

>>94913485
Free comics are worth jack shit if they don't sell. They aren't good for a nice BBQ with charcoal as the ink isn't healthy, the texture is awful to be used for toilet paper etc. You could only cut them in pieces and turn them into a collage, maybe some art guys are interested in a collage named "Death of LCS".

>>94913344
He's also been here and there in Secret Empire if that counts for anything.

>>94911407
yeah but he's not forced to sell just comics, he could have done what nearly every LCS that's still in business is doing which is make 95% of you money selling Magic:the Gathering and other game stuff which sells more and is more profitable than selling comics. Every print media has been in a slow death spiral for over a decade. Marvel may contribute but their aren't the sole cause and you either need to adapt or get out of the business

>>94913485
Setting aside the shipping costs, if you can't sell them all they do is take up storage space. Depending on locality there might be tax issues as well. Most of the extra copies are going to be given away on the next Free Comic Day or dumped on a charity in an attempt to get a tax write-off.

Yeah, if I made a store that does nothing but sell a shitty product, I'd probably blame the product's shiftiness for me going out of business. But what did I expect?

>>94910506
>are the LCS obligated to buy all the books? Can not they choose which to buy and in which quantity?
No:
"For the Marvel Legacy event, the rules are not nearly as clear cut (and is constantly changing). At this point we need to order 100%-200% of our previous issue’s #’s in order to qualify to order any lenticular covers. There are also additional tiers which will qualify us for other variant covers. There is so much math involved that it is insane."

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/08/23/industry-revolt-retailers-boycott-marvel-lenticular-covers/

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/08/25/two-retailers-marvel-legacy-lenticular-dropout-jetpack-comics-jesse-james/

>>94913640
ORDER ZERO ALREADY YOU FUCKS

>>94913604
Or put them in the dollar bin.

>>94913640
So? Order what you fucking want and FUCK OFF the lenticular cover!!
You think you will sell 20, ask for 20!!!!

>>94910064
I have no sympathies for these people. Like others gave said, if Marvel fucked you in the ass then you're at fault for letting them. Marvel is not bugger than the industry and you can always stock up on manga, euro comics and magic cards, these along with the other many american comic book publishers is enough.

>>94911809
Diamond is the only one because nobody else has gotten to the point where they want to spend money or take the risk on expanding or setting up their own distribution system. Mainly because Marvel attempted to do just that about 25 years ago and it was a massive failure and basically killed the few other distributors who were competing with Diamond at the time.

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>>94910657
>b-but Marble is failing! FAILING!
Unless you look at actual numbers, anon.

NB4: MUH OVERSHIPPING! ( Which doesn't have any effect of DOLLARS just UNITS but, of course, wouldn't fit the narrative ).

Why can't they just stop stocking marvel and double down on DC and good indie titles?

>>94913567
>>94913604
so? they are still free, they will not get you any financial problem (besides shipping), sell them at 50 cents (to recover shipping money) or give them free with another comic that sell less than your top sellers.

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>>94910128
>wearing a Marvel shirt after they destroyed your business and left you in financial ruin

>>94913737
that is what everyone is asking but none knows why or know how to justify some rumors of why they think that happens.

>>94913759
How big is your LCS? Most are pretty small, and don't have the space to store an unexpected 40 extra copies. Space is literally money

>>94913775
>there are only two brands of shirts

Just like the comics!

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>>94913737
>Why can't they just stop stocking marvel
Then they'd need to find a new scapegoat for their shop that's getting undercut by people just waiting for trades or buying online ( amazon, e-bay, comixology ) or both due to their running a shit business with shit customer support.

Image related isn't just a silly caricature I've met more than one neckbeard that was basically a Comic Book Guy cosplay-as-lifestyle.

>>94913612

You expect to go out of business. Because the product is shitty. So when people ask, you say "Business declined because of shit products".Maybe they weren't shit when you started, but that's why you stayed in business then and are dropping out now.

If someone points out that you could stay in business by selling other products, you just kind of stare at them blankly while listening to their roundabout way of confirming that the products are shit, which is what you were just saying, and "we dumped all of comics and shifted to breads to stay in business" still confirms that the comics were shit.

But you're not giving an interview on your post comic shop plans. You're not giving an interview on the interesting breads you'll have to offer in your new bakery. You're talking about comics. How you wanted to sell them, and how you're now stopping because they're shit

>>94913789
dude...40 comics, are like 30x25x15cm. Is not a mountain of comics!
And you can get them out selling them ridiculously cheap for a new comic or give them for free!

>>94910143
>Thor
Unworthy Thor was a mini.

>>94913790
He's having a rough spot and only the big two send comic shops feee shirts. Check your privilege

>>94913790
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS-zEH8YmiM

>>94913492
We know. But when people are hired simply because of diversity, not on merit, you get bad writing.
Yes, non-diverse writers are also bad right now. But I'll take anything written by Bendis over anything written by America's writer.

>>94913726
Whoever made this infographic needs to be shot fucking immediately.

>>94913826
>blaming the shopowners for things beyond their control

>>94913726
>(((Diamond))) statistics

In other news trump is totes Hitler gaiz

>>94913885
That's just the overship for a single title. And you've got more overship coming in next month.

>>94913726
The overshipping is to keep Disney off their back. Low market share with high dollar share is a fairly risky place to be in for a business and is a poor position for growth. Overshipping allows them to smooth over sales losses and provide sales data that won't cause anyone too look twice at.

>>94913980
>I am threatened by the objective truth of hard numbers
How ... Presidential.

>>94913785
It's already been answered. You can stock all you want of a comic but it won't do you any good if customers don't buy.

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>>94913980
>>94914009
>Look at all these diamond statistics, DC is selling really well
>Damn Diamond, always skewing the numbers in favor of Marvel

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>>94911167
Do casuals even buy comics in the first place?
>>94911174
True true
>>94911981
I'm from Scotland.

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>>94914009
>>(((Diamond))) statistics
RIGHT?

We only quote those when DC reboots and squeaks out a lead for a month or two!

>>94914053
That's because Marvel gaming Diamond's reporting system to distort their unit sales.

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>>94912113
Because variants are where the money actually is.

>>94914129
I am SHOOK as fuck. God DAYUM!

>>94914087
Yeah, like that time Aquaman outsold Marvel's entire catalog six months after the Nu52 dropped.

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>>94914129
>CGC
>Campbell
>Liefeld
>Deadpool
>Variant
>Avengers

This might be the most cancerous string of words ever assembled.

>>94914118
>F-fake news!
Riiiiight. Until the next time DC pulls ahead and then you'll be dancing like a faggot while keeping a thread or two posted for an entire month while magically forgetting you don't trust numbers from Diamond.

Just like Rottentomatoes was worthless ... until Wonder Woman didn't suck and got good reviews ( but it will totally be Fake News again if/when Justice League crashes and burns ).

>>94914129
then is the LCS fault that they gamble to buy 200 of comic they will not sell in favor of a variant that they may sell at 2600U$S.

>>94914129
>mommy said I had to clean my plate first if I want dessert!
>SO UNFAIR!!

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>>94913721
>I know how to run a retail comic business
>I do not own a retail comic business

>>94914204
It's almost like /co/ is more than one person.

Faggot.

Instead of flooding the market with shit books by shit writers Marvel should adopt a Hollywood-style approach i.e.print a first issue (a pilot) and if it generates enough buzz order a half season and more episodes if it works.

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>>94914185
>even when I legit win something
>I still need to undercut myself with an obvious lie

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>>94914286
>Marvel should adopt a Hollywood-style approach
Have you ... been to the movies? Do you own a TV?

JUST!

>>94911379
That was literally when it fucking started, and Marvel started going to shit. Guess you weren't around for out of nowhere, female Black Panther, female Ghost Rider, Lady Bullseye, Lady Sinister, and Wolverine in hell so X-23 could get spotlight.

Of course in addition to the Assguardia retarded shit, and a Sif solo if I recall.

>>94914129
>variants are like 10:1 and $3 more than regular cover
>comic shop owner asks for $2,600
>Marvel: well, if it's so valuable to you, maybe I'll just do this..
>keep ordering hundreds and thousands anyway

Get fucked shop owners, either draw a line in the sand or fuck off and die.

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>>94914335
>That was literally when it fucking started
I wonder why?
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/10/20/the-spinning-pennies-of-marvel%E2%80%99s-isaac-perlmutter/

http://www.comicsbeat.com/marvel-layoffs-the-cheapskate-is-coming-from-inside-the-house-of-ideas/

>>94914276
He has a point though.

>>94910168
Its not what's driving away current fans, but it is what's driving away new fans.

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>>94914361
I think it's sad that the majority of Marvel readers, and I'm not just saying you, will actually believe that all the companies problems are spawning from one man.

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>>94914335
Lady Sinister is freakin' hot though.

>>94910105
>Black panther movie announced, normies become interested in the character
>instead of releasing an easy to get into BP book Marvel releases 3 Black Panther books to confuse their potential costumers

Marvel deserves to be bankrupt again.too bad they now have Disney behind them.

Why do neither DC or Marvel release accurate digital sales numbers?

>>94914851
DC and Marvel don't release any sales numbers. Diamond does. If it was up to them they probably wouldn't publish any numbers at all.

>>94910064
Bendis's treatment of Beast, civil war 2 and IvX were all red flags. the worst part is that marvel is sinking and moon knight and deadpool will be collateral damage as well.

>>94915038
Not to mention killing the real Logan and the real Scott was a huge middle finger to X-fags who are one of the most rabid comic fanbases

>>94914025
>>94914053
Not the numbers, the infographic itself. Just fucking look at it.
1)Goes back in time, June->to April->to to February
2)First row is has different colours than the other two
3)First row is Unit share over Dollar share, other two- other way around
4)different fonts
5)Legend is barely readable

>>94912043
IQ is not a legitimate litmus test because IQ tests are designed for a european mindset and there are questions that have more than one answer.

when the test is asking for you to fill in the letters for classical musicians, that's not related to intelligence. that's related to knowledge of classical music.

another example: 7 letter word, starts with T, and means "to move from one place to another" you could answer both transient and transcend. there's two answers. the people who make the IQ test aren't smart enough to make the test

OH, and then there's the fact that IQ scores are affected by economic class. it's much more stressful to be lower class. higher economic class brings with it people who live in safer environments that can focus on their education (which they can actually afford) more.

your bell curve is a correlation of class divisions harming the proletariat, not an indicator of who's smart.

>>94915059
i'm an x-fag and i didn't mind scott and logan dying. i kinda hate cyclops and i can see why cyclops fans didn't like the way he went out because i hated the way bendis killed dark beast. the thing with logan is that he was just brought back and they just pushed his kids with the same powers.

one of the things about characters who die is that they have to stay dead for it to have any literary meaning. with the exception of nightcrawler because he left heaven and it's a motif for him, deaths have to have weight and import or the story means nothing. that's why jesus's death has no meaning either if he can just be raised again. they did that with Logan.

Logan and cyclops were overrated as fuck in my opinion. even though i don't like them i acknowledge that marvel still handled them horribly

>>94910611
Because there is a LOT of manga out there, and it takes up a lot of room. Our local store had something around 5 full size shelves stacked to the brim - and that was 6 years ago.
I've seen comic stores with manga, but they only pick the most popular series. Things like Onepunch Man and Attack on Titan.

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>>94910064
honestly i think that disney wanted to get rid of x-men because they're perceived as subversive. they're an oppressed minority. x-men is one of the most dystopian and thought provoking comic series. that's not profitable for a corporate idiocracy.

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>>94915194
>i'm an x-fag and
>i kinda hate cyclops

>>94910064
comics don't keep stores open alone.
you have to sell merch as well.

more importantly, you need to open to traditional games as well.
cater to the current popular games and start getting tournaments and other shit to get people in the door.

the store i go to only like 10 or so people actually venture into the comic section while everyone else is in the gaming sections

>>94915255
It's funny that you think of the X-men that highly or that Disney would give a shit about that as long as it pulled in the big bucks

>>94915255
Then why are they going out of their way to promote Inhumans as the same thing?

Hell, they bought Star Wars, which is primarily about a rebellion.

>>94915128
>IQ is not a legitimate litmus test because IQ tests are designed for a european mindset and there are questions that have more than one answer.
I'm not going to bother reading the rest of your reply because this first sentence is completely incorrect. East Asians outperform Europeans on IQ tests, so please stop making up bullshit.

>>94914445
Lady Sinister had a great design, and was handled incredibly well by the artists.

>>94910064
Dropped by there today.
He is shutting down on Thursday.
Not many books left, but there are some great statues there if you're in the area.

>>94915281
yup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj_tLWMm0Fo

>>94910686
>implying the American comics market works in any way like anything else in the rest of the economic world

>>94915354
>star wars is about a rebellion

not only that, but they're selling the idea that diocletian's problem reaction solution is something that only happens in the movies, and that freedom fighters always winning is realistic

>>94915342
>as long as it pulled in the big bucks
disney bought marvel in 2009. was x-men a lost cause in 2009 or did its descent really start to become apparent after that?

>>94910064
Based Canada telling it how it is

>>94915373
>making up bullshit

triggered, snowflake?

>>94915499
Canadian here.
I actually talk with a few Liberal MP's, and most of them don't like the new equality laws (including the women and minority members,) but they are too scared to stand up to them, because the media might tear them apart.

>>94914129
That's like justifying buying shitload trading cards because you might get a rare that will recoup your investment.
Fucking retarded and not something a business model should be built on.

>>94915525
Because we live too close to the US and they're going batshit crazy with all of this shit. Canada as a country generally just wants no trabble so nobody speaks up.

>marvel shills still posting those charts when LCS are saying time after time that their comics don't sell and everybody knows that they are pulling 1:+50 variant incentives so the numbers don't represent what their comics actually sell
Marvel is fucked lads, their market share is literal fake news. If DC pulls ahead at any months it means it's beating not only Marvel like they do now, but Marvel AND their cooked numbers

>>94915604
You rebirthdrones are sick in the head. Marvel sells more and makes more money. Deal with it. It might be due to shitty tactics but if they can afford to do them and DC can't then that's saying a lot.

>>94914261
I'm not stupid enough to get into a shitty business like this. Comics are a dying medium, especially print.

>>94915423
Does he stock trades, or was it mostly floppies and statues? I've never been in that one, but I have been to LA Mood before looking for a board game.

>>94915646
>It might be due to shitty tactics
Exactly, those charts mean shit, especially when digitally and trades Marvel is basically as good as dead

>>94915721
>those charts mean shit
Don't be retarded. Exposing the stupidity of customers with variants and events and #1's and shit does not change the fact that they're dominating in both units and dollar.

>>94915604
Don't buy 50 comics for just 1 variant then

>>94915746
But I'm ok with events and relaunches, as long the readers actually buy them, as opposed to some shit you had to order that you will never sell to anyone so you can sell in ebay one single variant. That's 50 comics in your unit and dollar charts per comic actually sold, the rest of them are rotting in a box or being given away to charity. If the LCS can't sell the variant, they're fucked. If people aren't reading Marvel comics, Marvel lose man, the cooked statistics can't change that

>>94915493
>disney bought marvel in 2009. was x-men a lost cause in 2009 or did its descent really start to become apparent after that?
The inhumans push is only three years old and was planned a year before that. So disscussions had to happen right around the second or third x-men movie.

Can someone explain to me how exactly this is Marvel's fault? I mean don't get me wrong, Marvel is a piece of shit right now, but if Marvel comics aren't selling, why didn't this LCS, just, ya know, stop ordering Marvel comics?

>>94913021
spotted the supesfag

>>94915842
Events and relaunches are short term buys and they also cannibalize the market. Often people will buy the events and tie ins because they're important and will take low selling titles that they might even like off their pull list because of this. Also, as it's been said in the thread by others, someone might go into a store to pick up two specific comic books and then something else might catch his eye but with events they feel like they have to buy those issues so the smaller stuff doesn't sell. Furthermore, constant relaunches might get you a temporary boost but your readers will get tired with your tactics and go away, that's why numbers fell so hard for Marvel in their latest relaunch.

>>94915858
It's the guys fault for not making the LCS a Magic The Gathering store with a few comics here and there like the rest of them did. Some people only buy Marvel comics and others only buy DC comics, LCS are in such a shit state that if they depend on comic sales, they depend on both groups coming to the store.

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>>94915703
>I'm not smart enough
FTFY

>>94915918
Pretty much, a store can survive just by adding Magic. It's amazing how much that sells.

>>94915898
Well yeah, I'm not ok but I gave up on Marvel making good comics long ago, now I just want them to not crash the industry again. Events and constant relaunches are a shitty way to make comics but not an industry crashing marketing trick like variant incentives

>>94915718
There are trades, but they are getting picked over quickly.
Mainly they're popular trades that are left, Fables, Sandman, etc. More DC than Marvel left. About half of the Cerebus books are still there.

There is also an artist edition of Joe Kubert's Tarzan, which I almost bought, with the sale, it's about $40 CAN.

Mostly, it's floppies. There are lots and lots of floppies.
There are a few action figures left, but they're great prices if you want them. There were some cool planetary action figures, and most of the Babylon 5 toy line.

>>94915936
Look at this LCS owner, look at him and laugh. What's your address, son? I'm gonna mail you some of my leftover food since you're poor.

>>94910128
>Calling Thor Odinson

Just say "Im a stupid faggot" and be done with it

>>94915959
>now I just want them to not crash the industry again
Same.

>>94915918
The problem for him was that a 2 minute walk down the street, there is a Comic Shop (Worlds Away) that specializes in Magic Cards, and does most of the tournaments in London. So adding cards wouldn't have been a big seller for him.
Also, literally, the store next to him is a manga shop (Neo Tokyo), so he wasn't able to add manga, or manga statues either.

>>94915974
Thanks for the update man, but I think I'll stick with the current Chapter/Indigo online sale for a few trades.

>>94915858
Is not Marvel fault that LCS owner spend his money on Marvels comics that his clients do not want hoping to sell a variant cover for 2500$

>>94916017
Cards would still have helped, Magic guys love to buy a fuck ton of everything so they can resell it. One stores runs out just go poach from the other one

>>94910664
You people are stupid as fuck and shouldn't talk. Trade sales for a character that jut had a movie come out DO get high number for that month, dummy. problem is, you gotta hook customers in so they come in and buy a new issue every month, floppies re where the big money comes from. Reading a one volume long story won't hook anyone into more they'll just think "well, I read a comic. I've done that too now. Alright, what's new on netflix".

>>94915988
It call Character development, Thor going to get back his hammer. Just wait for it.

>>94916046
There's a weirdly large amount of stores in that city that sell the same stuff. The population is like 350,000, but it's a college city, and there are at least two different stores that do FNM (and they are all on the same street/block)

>>94916017
>manga shop
Does that shop seem to be profitable? I've never heard of a shop that sells only manga, outside of Japan obviously.

>>94916017
Have you never seen one of those plazas with card shops and play/trade area? Everybody benefits. If you sell Magic they will come.

should started selling fidget spinners

>>94916077
in latin america "LCS" are Manga shops with some comics.

>>94916077
http://www.neotokyo.ca/
Looks like they have the entire market for the city locked down via old school rentals

>>94915470
never implied such a ridiculous premise. My other posts are pretty fucking clear about that.

>>94916108
>Thomas N. your RWBY Part 4 DVD & BluRay (Red, White, Black, Yellow) is in.
for what purpose? just watch it on YouTube negro.

>>94916022
Ya, that's cool.
Also, Indigo has 50% off their clearance section this week.
I got the Simon and Kirby Studio for $6, I think there is a copy left in London.

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Oh those crazy LCS owners... at least they're not blaming piracy anymore. Now they're blaming Marvel, they're getting warmer. I wonder if they'll discover the cause before they are wiped out?

>>94916202
This is a city that has two different comic-cons because there was some disagreement between organizers years ago. Not a lot of stuff makes sense here.

>>94915201
Not to mention even kids have loads of options on buying manga from bookstores, library sales and online which is just mom/dad or a giftcard away.

I don't play Magic so my LCS is just a convenient place to pull stuff I'm looking forward to which is why I buy trades there too when I go in even though they sell for less than MSRP on Amazon.

If I could pull monthly issues online you bet your ass I would.

>>94916076
Yup,
Worlds Away, L.A. Mood, and Heroes Cards and Comics, all specialize in Magic Cards.
There wasn't enough of a population to justify another magic specialty store in the area.

>>94916077
It's alright for popularity.
It's prices are higher than all the other comics in the city. But if you want a anime, they'll have it, or get it for you.

>>94916106
Neo Tokyo sells only Japanese (and Korean) materials, translated for a Western audience. It's nieche, but London Ontario probably has the largest amount of nerds per capita in Canada (and possibly North America,) so the store can easily survive.

It's why the Comic Collector (the 3rd oldest comic store in Ontario) closing came as a shock. They just made the announcement last Monday.

>>94915194
There's just so much wrong in this. Logan isn't back, unless you meant after Wolverine in hell.

Characters staying dead is not important fro comics. If they really NEED to kill off a character to tell a good story, like when Kurt or Colossus died, it works. After that, the story is told, they can bring him back in a bit so they can tell more stories. It's part of the fun with superhero comics.

>>94915493
Probably around the time they let bendis start making suggestions again. The comics were decent until 2010, 2011 or so.

>>94916337
>London Ontario probably has the largest amount of nerds per capita in Canada (and possibly North America,)
You got a citation for that?

>>94916337
>London Ontario probably has the largest amount of nerds per capita in Canada (and possibly North America,)
Get the fuck over yourself. Fuckin' Ontarians thinking they're the center of the universe. Vancouver easily holds the title of Canadian nerd capital. Easily.

>>94915846
there were red flags way before inhumans

>>94917534
>Logan isn't back

they shoehorned another Logan from a different timeline. it's shit.

>>94917545
Nope, just observation based on my personal experiences.
>>94917558
Not saying their aren't more nerds in Vancouver, if you think you beat Toronto's numbers, take the title as Nerd Capital of Canada. Just that for it's small population, London has a shit-ton of nerds.