and the moral of the story, is defacing statues is wrong.

>>94907247
If this was a modern episode theyd cheer because Jebediah was a slave owner

>>94907247
The irony was that Bart seriously crossed the line and put the whole town against him, yet back in the early 90s this was seen as one of his most destructive, anti-authority outings.

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>>94907362
Instead of the treasonous fraud he actually was?

PEOPLE OF /co/! I, um- I don't know quite how to say this- I did a lot of research on Jebediah Springfield, and- - Hmm.

>>94907533

>Jebidiah was a pirate
>Literally killed people & probably owned a ship full of slaves to man his pirate ship
>But we have to keep the statue up because the lie is more important

Hmm, really makes you think

>>94908715
the symbol that the staute represented meant more than the person that it was representing
"A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man."
pulling down statutes leads to destroying art work and burning books

wait there hasn't been a sneed post in this thread has there, thank god

>>94908742

What absolute horseshit. One of the first things people do when they win a war is destroy the remaining iconography of the loser. This is how every human society works, look at all the statues pulled down in the wake of any social revolution.

But the Confederate shit has to be treated with kid gloves and we have pretend there' some worthwhile reason to keep them around.

>>94908715
>Jebidiah was a pirate
>Literally killed people & probably owned a ship full of slaves to man his pirate ship
Pirates were the most liberal people of their time.
They freed slaves and had a really diverse crew.

>>94908791
They were built long after the war was over.
Nobody complained until now.
It's different because this is just a bunch of losers trying to find a place to fit in.
Kind of like 4chan, but for people who go outside.

>>94908847

>They were built long after the war was over.

Because we still had to pretend that Confederate history has some sort of positive social value and the Lost Causers had to be pandered to.

Look, if people want to hang the Stars and Bars off their front porch, knock yourself out. But those statues are tantamount to some level of acceptance in the idea that Confederate ideas and concepts have a worthwhile value.

>>94908878
Oh I'm not defending the statues, just pointing out that the protesters are just bandwagoning nerds.

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>>94908715
>man owned slaves just like every other person in the 1600s
>let's ignore his accomplishments because he engaged in a social conformity that is no longer compatibile in our progressive current year

>>94908892
What annoys me most is they have no idea what states to wreck. Fucking schools.

>>94908966
>Hans Sprungfeld
>accomplishments

>>94907247
Do what some places are doing and just put up statues of civil rights people and other black figures to balance it.

In Mexico City a plaque commemorates both Cortez and Montezuma, reading something like "the conquest was neither a victory or a defeat but the painful birth of the Mexican nation",

>>94907247
look up every group that ever destroyed statues in history anon

>>94908818
Now that I think about it, Jebediah being a pirate makes him more worth of a homage in my eyes than being a boring chastity seeking colonialist.

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>>94908742
in all serioussness can all the violence stop? i dont like nazis nor communists

>>94909062
Yeah, but then people start beheading other people instead of beheading statues.

>>94908791
Not entirely true. I mean here in the UK we have a statue of Oliver Cromwell outside parliament, a man who fought a civil war to stop the king becoming a tyrant, but was also responsible for beheading the king, committing virtual genocide in Ireland, becoming a dictator himself and installing radical puritanism and who people hated so much by the time we restored the monarchy they dug up and mutilated his corpse.

I feel like people will, and should be allowed, to celebrate who they want to celebrate for different reasons. I mean sure some people celebrate General Lee because they hate niggers, but some celebrate him because he was a beloved leader to his men and because he fought for his people. It's dumb as fuck to try and tell people who they can and can't admire because they're going tondo it anyway even if there isn't a statue, and if you tell them they can't have one they'll probably develop a persecution complex and more people will be drawn to their ideas because it seems like the government is surpressing them,

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>>94908742
>>94908791
1.) Nobody knows if he was a slaver.
2.) That episode was written before the Hans Sprungfeld episode (one of my faves).

3.) The difference is that people KNEW General Lee and Co. were fighting for their right to own black people as slaves. Nobody KNEW about Hans Sprungfeld.

So it's not like there was a lie that needed to be kept to begin with about his misdeeds.

Fair point about artistic integrity etc, but the comparison isn't applicable because of the above.

>>94908791
actual nazi stuff is kept in museums and preserved so people in the future can see it
destroying statues, burning books, errasing people its all barbarous
how can these people claim to stand for culture and identity and then do this? how come mayors support violent groups who destroy sttues instead of using their mayors powers to hire some workers for it?

>>94908892
>>94909004
Well, do you want them to do something worthwhile with their time or not? Even if a lot of them are self-righteous boobs, it's better that they care, like you and most people, than they don't.

Plus if they don't occupy themselves with this they'll start building death rays and shit.

That's how scientists go mad at all, boredom.

>>94908878
all history has a positive value in that all history deserves to be remembered

>>94909123
Well, fine. Take the statue down and put it in a museum.

Also, vandalism is violence of a sort, but don't forget they resort to this and act a bit fascist because they don't want actual fascists trying to run them over.

Still wrong, but it's worth noting why they do it, purely for the sake of understanding how people work.

>>94909123
>Taliban and ISIS destroy statues and artifacts and all history and culture they find offensive
>American "progressives" want to do the exact same thing

>>94909130
You really think these hippies are smart enough to build death rays?

>>94909162
They do it because they think they have a mandate, because they think they're righteous.

>>94909123

>actual nazi stuff is kept in museums and preserved so people in the future can see it

These statues aren't in museums. They're on prominent government property.

>destroying statues, burning books, errasing people its all barbarous

These people are still being talked about in history books, being taught about in school classes.

But statues on government property are crossing the line. Same as when people were complaining about the Confederate flags on government buildings.

>>94909162
>take something from one public place
>put it in another public place
>now it's acceptable
What's the fucking difference? However people feel about the person depicted isn't going to change, you're basically just saying you don't like having to see them.

>>94909103
Listen guys, its not even a secret when and why the statues went up. They went up years after the civil war, in jim crow era, specifically to intimidate blacks. Now if you want to searh for angles of defense on that thats your call, but its not a great looking argument.

>>94909123
>>94909123
>City votes for the statue to be moved to a civil war museum. State makes it illegal. Get surprised when private citizens take matters into their own hands.
>Also caring about a mass produced statue. Built after 1900s.

>>94908847
Nobody complained until now because you didn't lose the whites paying reparations to everyone war until now.

>>94909193
Aren't the same people who complained about the flags now complaining about the statues? Isn't that one of the things people were worried about when they started taking the flags down?

>>94909130
How the fuck is a nazi march where someone died to a terrorist on US soil constructive? At thr bare minimum we could have atleast had a death ray. You really fucked up this time beaver.

>>94909130
>Well, do you want them to do something worthwhile with their time or not?

They do nothing worthwhile

>Plus if they don't occupy themselves with this they'll start building death rays and shit.

I very much doubt a bunch of women's studies majors, drug addicts, and communist bloggers could build a bird house, let alone death rays.

>>94909210
I think the statues look nice

>>94909237

And they were right both times.

They want to move all that to a museum, fine. Some lunatic wants to buy them and stick them on his lawn, knock yourself out.

But not on government land. These things have no worthwhile social value at all.

>>94909134
I totally agree. But then how come there's so much bitching every Feburary?

>>94909248

probably one of the best arguments for keeping the statues around there is

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>another /pol/ thread

GEE I WONDER WHY PHONEPOSTERS EXIST

>>94909162
>th-they only act a b-bit fascist

Oh god you are trying so hard to defend your fellow liberal shit heads it's hilarious. Pro tip: you can't claim to fight against certain people while behaving just like them.
They want violence? I hope they find it. I hope they get their skulls caved in and their skin burnt off. They only make things worse.

>>94909260
Being reminded of the past has value, it gets you thinking about how far we've come as a society, the actions of a those who came before us, a comparative point for how they may have behaved in these circumstances. You seem pretty worked up about this if you think lunatics are the only people who can take something from a confederate statue or flag.

>>94909260
The fact that you don't find any social value in those doesn't mean they don't have any. People want to keep them for a reason.

>>94909210
If you're intimidated by a statue in the post Jim Crow era doesn't that make you kind of a little bitch?

Seriously, this is all just people projecting anger at their own shitty lives and problems they don't want to face up to and deal with onto other things and people. Wow, yeah, that inanimate object sure is oppressing blacks, good job getting it removed! Give yourself a good pat on the back!
>meanwhile black people's lives haven't improved one bit

>>94909260
> Washington was a slave owner therefore he has no right to be pictured on government property
If you hate the nation so much, just fucking LEAVE. Life hack: the entire US revolution was a terrorist uprising supported by the French because rich businessmen were defending their inalienable right to not pay taxes.

>>94909292
I agree that history has value but it's kind of fucked up that US history is written by the winners in 9 out of 10 cases but when the confederacy comes into the equation suddenly we have to tell the loser's story, and often in glowing terms.

>>94909205
Public statues are a a place of honor, museums are a place of historical preservation. Intentionally being obtuse about this shit and its hard to not assume it comes from a place of hate. I mean, when and why did Robert E Lee get so fucking popular?

>>94908818
They also didn't allow women on ships and constantly raped them.
>b-but Anne Bonney
She and her fat friend were there because they were Captain Jack's fucktoys.

>>94909309
If it doesn't matter then why get bent out of shape if people decide to take it down?
>>94909312
>If you hate the nation so much, just fucking LEAVE.
That's literally what the confederacy did. They didn't like the new rules of the land so they left. So why should we literally put them up on a pedestal?

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Liberals should be barred from any historical teaching and conservation capacity, debate, study, or governing body.

>>94909312

Never said anything about Washington.

>>94907247
that was like 30 years ago

get with the times grandpa

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>>94909299
Racism?

>>94909320
The left ensures he gets more popular by the day.

>>94909162
>>94909320
As long as we don't take down or burn statues of people who signed the declaration of independence or the emancipation proclamation. I mean, it's not like this trend of destroying statues will spread to other figures...

>>94909351
Confederate flags and statues are glorified and protected that much because people view them as symbols of their culture, their history and their distinctive character. It doesn't really have to do anything with racism.

Fun game anons find a statue being moved that was built before the 1900s.

>>94909336
It's ironic, but the left, comprising of antifa, SJW's and LGBT zealots have become the new fascists.

Stomping on the rights of others, campaigning against free speech and attempting to create a tightly controlled society where their world is law and opposing viewpoints must be met with violence and murder.

If history is this important and immutable thing then why are southern states still allowed to call it "The War of Northern Aggression"? Because it sounds like more like revisionist history is only a bad thing when people you dislike are holding the red pen.

Personally I think the ideal compromise would be to leave all the statues and monuments up but spend a couple thousand dollars on a metal placard for each one that says "...And he was an asshole". That way you still get to honor the people but you have to accept that they were also dicks.

>>94909330
>That's literally what the confederacy did.
Confederates were throwing a temper tantrum because they wanted blacks to not have rights or pay taxes yet still fight wars and contribute votes. That's called property, and nowhere in any constitution does property get a vote. Damn hypocrites deserved a good whooping.

>>94909316
It was a defining moment in the history of the nation and underpins most laws upheld in modern day. Putting slavery aside as a major aspect of the civil war, consider the core argument being fought over by the participants; to what degree can a government dictate policy in each individual state if a state's population is opposed to that policy? The answer is the government wins by military force and citizens accept that outcome.

>>94909383
>to accept that they were also dicks
Accept they weren't

>>94909377
Find a picture being of the confederate flag being flown before the 1950s.

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Let the population of the town the statue is in vote to decide to keep the statue or donate it to a museum. Outsiders can keep their fucking mouths shut.

>>94909377

Except that history and culture are intrinsically connected to racism. You can't just take out the bad parts.

>>94909134
nothing positive about killing people because you want to own other people as slaves

>>94909394
What would that prove?

>>94909383
It was the North that declared war on the South, after the South legally ceded from the union as was their right according to the constitution.
So it was the war of Northern Aggression, pure and simple.

There is nothing wrong about that, it's fact.

>>94909392
Yeah, they were. All memorable people are dicks to somebody.

>>94909402
Nothing positive about assaulting people because you perceive them to be deserving of it.

>>94909386
>>94909330
The united states was actually prepared to meet the slave owning states halfway and let some states be free and some be slave states and just leave it at that and let it be up to the states to decide.

But because the south seceded, they forfeited the right to have any concessions made. Had they not seceded, slavery might have lasted a bit longer in this nation and things might have gone considerably different.

>>94909398
You just want to make it about race, because this point is easier to defend.

>>94909330
>That's literally what the confederacy did. They didn't like the new rules of the land so they left. So why should we literally put them up on a pedestal?
They were right to leave and the Union should have let them. The people of the Confederacy supported the Confederate government and imposing the rule of Washington on them by force was anti-democratic.

The USA is a ridiculous country, it should be at least two, probably three or four different countries. The people are too different to be governed by a single government and that is what we're seeing boil over now. I'll be surprised if the USA makes it to its 300th anniversary and I hope it doesn't.

>>94909309
Okay dude. If there was a guy who fought a war over keeping your ancestors as objects instead of people, and you had to walk by a statue of that mother fucker on your way to school, maybe youd see it from another angle. If that statue went up in a time when your grandparents were alive to remember getting death threats if they dared vote. Thats when the statues went up and thats what they represent for a lot of americans. You can not care about that, your prerogative, but is it really that hard to understand?

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>>94909419
>yfw the south ended slavery

>>94909397
Majority of people polled said that it's not a symbol of racism.

>>94909390
>Putting slavery aside as a major aspect of the civil war,
Why? I thought history was worth cherishing and protecting. I agree with everything else you said and it is worthwhile as an object lesson of states rights but there's more than one way to frame the narrative and when you downplay slavery as so many proponents of keeping these memorials up are wont to do it's immensely hypocritical with regards to preserving and telling the whole story.

>>94909398
>You can't just take out the bad parts
But the Wewuz Kings love pretending to have been Egyptian rulers, without ever mentioning or acknowledging that Egypt was built by slaves.

So why exactly can't you ignore the bad parts and focus on the good?
Or does it somehow magically not apply to anything except white history?

>>94909420

Of course its about race. You can scream that it's actually about states rights all you want, but race was a factor, a major factor, a factor that can't even be removed from the conversation.

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>>94908791
>Hes triggered by statues of 100 year old Americans
Either you're black or have heavy white guilt. They're a part of our history and teach us what happened, whether we like it our not. What should the pyramids be torn down because slaves built them?

>>94909434
I think the statues look nice

>>94909434
I wasn't talking about the war itself though, of course slavery was a huge part of it. But Civil War isn't the only part of Southern culture.

>>94909425
Anon you need to put yourself in his shoes. He probably gets that feeling you get every time starfire or domino gets cast as a black chick.

>>94909435
No don't be silly, we should only tear down monuments in western society because it's evil and white and imperialism and blah blah blah.

>>94909320
You should look up Lee's history and the terrible choice he had to make as the war was starting; side with the government, or his home state which seceded from the union. He went with virginia and saw the war through to the end. He then got the separatist states to come back into the union, everyone respected him as a leader.

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>>94909312
I think its the other way around bro
The statues are being taken down to represent how the majority feel in the ever evolving USA. Its you backwoods retards that dont like the nation. I think its time you find a new place to live. Also dont try to take american land on your way out this time unless you wanna lose another war.

>>94909422
The south was defending an archaic form of ball+chain slavery when irish factory owners already perfected a new, superior wage slavery. Plantation owners were under pressure to STEP UP their game to use superior white peasant labor and they refused. They were in the wrong.

>>94909162
>Take the statue down and put it in a museum
well i agree with this completely
problem being people who will protest it being in a museum now

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>>94909312
great argument

>>94909446

>But Civil War isn't the only part of Southern culture.

Of course it's not. But Confederate and Southern culture are two different things.

>>94909403
That the flag has has a cultural history behind it.

>>94909429
Sort of. It would have ended on its own more or less but the south pushed the issue and felt that they could win. Obviously in this case it ended far more dramatically and quickly that way but had it not eventually it just wasn't going to remain a viable trade. Every other nation was ending the practice which meant the slave trade from Africa was drying up. There was no way they could expand it to meet up with the demands; not that slavery was all that particularly prominent in the south. It was getting more and more expensive and less viable. It wasn't a sustainable business model, as they say.

>>94909432
Because when you inject slavery into the arguement that's what it all comes back to
>you want to keep the statue up? You support slavery
>you want to keep the confederate flag? You support slavery
>you don't want to rename the streets, parks and buildings? You support slavery
I'm sick to death of hearing it.

>>94909454
>The statues are being taken down to represent how the majority feel in the ever evolving USA
27% of people said they should be removed.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-protests-poll-idUSKCN1B12EG

>>94909468
Glad to see the American South learned from history and isn't latching onto unsustainable business models.

>>94909462
What I wanted to say was the symbol used during CW by the South (Confederate battle flag) has now been adopted as a symbol of Southern culture. It no longer symbolizes what it used to. Like you know, Swastika, which originally symbolized something completely different than what it does in 20th century.

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>>94909425
>If there was a guy who fought a war over keeping your ancestors as objects instead of people
Except that was not the point of the Civil War, you brainwashed leftie. That's the narrative that was made up centuries later to vilify the south.

The war was about the North taking too much and giving nothing back to the South, while the South had little to say in matters of legislative and commercial matters despite producing the cotton and food for most of the country.

It was basically the war of independence 2.0, where the US ceded from the British that gave them no representation, the South wanted to leave the North behind which did the exact same thing.

Slavery was a byline, as by the beginning of the civil war slavery was just as prevalent in the North as in the south. The North eventually used it as a political tool to ensure black people would join the Union army if they were promised their freedom, at the same time severely crippling the South by inciting slave revolts so that they could no longer afford to fight for independence.

>>94909450
Indifference? Mild outrage that they use black skin as an excuse and racism as a cover for a good costume when in reality theyre just cheap and lazy? I see what you tried to do there but its a false equivalency

>It's a southerners think they're people thread

You guys lost the war and are soon all gonna be 10 feet underwater. Just give it up.

>>94909482
So? Just because you're sick of hearing about an aspect of history doesn't mean it should go away, right?

>>94907247
Go back to /pol/

>>94909456
Switching from a slave based economy to an automation economy is incredibly difficult and can't just happen overnight, it would have crippled the south' economy. They left the union because they didn't want that to happen and wanted to self-govern.

> Be southerner
> Claim blacks are inhuman
> breed with black women ironically
> Now crying that darkies are ruining their world
Y'all dumbasses brought the eugenics bomb upon yourselves

>>94909485
I'm not sure what you're driving at but for the record I'm northern as they get.

To that end, the north kept slaves longer than the south did for a number of reasons - typically in factories. Probably because the north was no better.

>>94909487

>What I wanted to say was the symbol used during CW by the South (Confederate battle flag) has now been adopted as a symbol of Southern culture. It no longer symbolizes what it used to

I don't buy it. The nasty history is still there, it's still Confederate.

>>94909490
>That's the narrative that was made up centuries later to vilify the south.
History is nothing but narratives of the winning team. Even what you said could just be said to be the narrative of the sore loser.

>>94909402
all history deserves to be remembered because all history happenned, at the very least you can leearn not to do it again

>>94909425
I would not give a fuck, because I'm not my ancestors and I live in the present. Those people and the people they oppressed or who followed them are long dead. I'd rather get on with my fucking life and not spend my time dwelling on a past I didn't experience or blaming outside factors for making me feel bad. The one who chooses to feel bad and limits themselves by doing so is you. You can choose not to give a fuck and live your life thinking of yourself as a free man rather than an oppressed victim.

>>94909512
I was thinking about coal miners, mostly.

>>94909498
It's the only counter arguement I ever hear and it's a weak emotionally powered one at that.

>>94909519
And you're saying you willingly choose to fall for it, because you have no alternative?

>>94909525
>I would not give a fuck, because I'm not my ancestors and I live in the present.
I agree. Live in the present and get over the shit in your past. Which means you don't need statues. Get on with your life.

That's why this shit is so hilarious. It's one group of losers saying they should get to celebrate the fact that they were losers and still are losers, while telling the other group of losers to get over the fact that they were and still are losers.

>>94909513
And thats the problem right there. You want to make it about racism as I have stated, because thats an universal argument which can't be countered. You don't really care what these symbols are for people and their culture, the only thing you care about is your own opinion of those.

>>94909490
It's kind of funny how you guys spent decades insisting that you're "the party of Lincoln" and that there's no difference between the Democratic party and the Confederacy, and then you threw it away in less than a week because you just hate "dindus" THAT much.

>>94909509
Guess what. The north automation economy didn't happen overnight. It took the deaths of tens of thousands of potato slaves to build it while southerners were content with dragging in the only nignogs dumb enough to get caught but because they weren't people they didn't have to pass any immigration sanity check.

We're still paying for their stupidity today.

>>94909549
I'm saying that's what you're doing. You're trying to oppression olympics your way into a victory for the confederacy. Oh boo hoo the mean old north was abusing them. Get over it. You lost.

>>94909564
>You don't really care what these symbols are for people and their culture
A symbol can mean different things to different cultures though. You're saying "let's only pay attention to what this symbol means to THESE people, not THOSE people".

>>94909584
I never understood the "you lost argument". Is that supposed to mean that winning automatically makes you the good guys?

>>94909490
The history is certainly interesting but the norths strategy worked. If your black back then or now all the other parts of the civil war arent what stand out, because their freedom was on the line. The moment that became apart of the war that became historically the most important part of the war, peoples freedom, which is fitting for an american tale. I learned some things in this thread, things that make me think a confederate museum could be a place were we could all come together to learn about our shared history. Personally the statues bother me a little, but its a none issue compared to how race is used to divide the poor agaisnt itself as a cover for the wealthy. We should all ditch racism for classism, and really start hating on those aristocrats! My two cents

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>>94909494
I agree.
Radical secessionists aren't people.

>>94909534
Whether you like it or not, most of your power comes from coal. As far as sustainability goes, coal is fine. That's not getting into ecological stability. Business stability is a separate animal. We have enough coal to last us possibly a thousand years or more, so as a business, it's fine. Environmentally, that's another story.

Coal miners themselves as an occupation however have a hell of a job though and I don't envy them.

>>94909584
So you're saying because the bad guys won the civil war, they were somehow in the right and this automatically gives other bad guys the right to do the same to others in this day and age?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrZZQzyhp7g

>>94909598
You've never heard the phrase "history was written by the winners"?

>>94909598
It's an easy place to go when you feel threatened by a point of view
>you lost, therefore your statement is invalid

>>94909595
True, but in that case both alternatives are bad, as both are kinda right in their own way.

>>94909595
well when "those people" want everyone who isn't white and straight dead they and their symbols SHOULDN'T be paid attention to

>>94908742
>the symbol that the staute represented meant more than the person that it was representing
Right, like how the statue OP actually wants to talk about represents "Fuck black people".

>>94909608
"Good" and "Bad" are fluid terms.

>>94909595
>but what about mu OTHER CULTURES
What the fuck does India care about some flag on the other side of the world, might I ask?

>>94909608
yes the people who fought to end slavery are the "bad guys"

>>94909619
That side is THESE people, not THOSE people. Which goes to prove my point.

>>94909611
That phrase is mostly use to condemn the winners (or at least some of their actions), so I have no idea how it can be used as an argument in their favor.

>>94909603
> Coal miners themselves as an occupation however have a hell of a job though and I don't envy them.
Surface mining isn't too bad. Plant some high tech super scoopers, drive a few 500 ton super trucks and it's all good. The issue comes with deep mining, which for some reason uses way too much manual labor.

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>>94909512
I love this argument!

>>When racism was commonplace, and the south wanted to keep people as objects, remember the north sucked and was racist too!
>>This absolves the south

>>94909625
We both know you're not dumb enough to think I was talking about India. Why would you resort to trying to bait me? We're having a civilized conversation.

>>94909117
>General Lee and Co. were fighting for their right to own black people as slaves
American's understanding of their own history is fucking awful. It's why you're so eagerly following people who are out to destroy you.

>>94909636
Yeah, the whole war was about slavery and the North rallied around the idea of ending it

Pick up a history book, moron

>>94909638
Mostly because it's used to erase any contribution my people have ever made culturally or socially, so when the shoe is on the other foot I have to savor it for however fleeting it will be there.

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>>94909621
>"Fuck black people".
What's wrong with that, exactly?
Black people are attacking and killing white people solely based on the color of their skin and their own racist hatred of non-blacks. They're advocating the wholesale slaughter and systematic genocide of white people while simultaneously demanding the white man uplift them and care for them.

So yeah.
Fuck black people.

>>94909647
I know you weren't talking about India, I am mocking you because I know you ARE dumb enough to think any culture but the place the statue is in matters

>>94909650
Even if it was solely about slavery (which it wasn't), it still can't possibly mean the North was right about everything.

I feel like there is a very intelligent black brother in this thread and respect man because I sort of want to read this thread but I'm trying to kill brain cells by watching Death Note before I watch McGregor destroy Mayweather. Educate these fools, senpai.

Also America your statues are dumb. Who keeps monuments of oppressors and losers of wars? lol even Germany got rid of their Nazi shit.

>>94909648
>It's why you're so eagerly following people who are out to destroy you.
did you forget to add your parenthesis in there somewhere /pol/?

>>94909643
It's not meant to absolve the south, it's meant to show that there were no good guys and bad guys and the civil war had more complex causes than you assume.

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>>94909525
I do choose to live that way, and I express my freedom by supporting the removal of dumbass old statues. Personally I just want better statues. We should look up to scientists and put statues up of them instead of war heroes (or failures).

>>94909663
Fuck off /pol/ you faggot.

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>>94909643
I'm not trying to absolve the south though.

I'm trying to say that people try to speak from a position of innocence and say that one side should be silent because of their collective guilt while possessing the same guilt themselves. Aside from the guilt by association argument, it's implicitly stating that you're ok with the slavery and heinousness of your past, but, everyone else's is wrong?

Or am I reading you incorrectly?
Again. Not from the south. I just don't like people from the north pretending that the south own sole guilt.

>>94909648
>Lee was a gud boy he dindu nuffin.
It's fun watching you guys turn into everything you claim to hate.
>>94909650
You should specify that he should pick up a history book published south of the Mason Dixon.

>>94909673
Germany was kind of made to get rid of them.

>>94909677
Only if you're paying

>>94909663
Do you think posting a sexual cartoon lady somehow validates your nonsensical point?

>>94909663
oh did a black person drive that car in Charlottesville?


dumbass nazi fuck

>>94909643
>This absolves the south
No you fat dumb faggot.
It just means the North has no moral superiority and you're in the wrong by pulling down Robert E. Lee statues if you don't tear down the Lincoln memorial at the same time.

If you're going to use racism to justify your vandalism, at least check a history book so you don't look like a fucking retard who just wants to destroy stuff because you're an antisocial, maladjusted shithead.

>>94909678
Back fo tumblr with you
Go on, now

>>94909668
>A place can only have one culture.
C'mon bro you're better than that. Class differences alone insure that you're always gonna have at least two.

>>94909695
>Violence is okay when antifa and BLM do it

>>94909663
We learned it from watching you, dad! We learned it from watching you!

>>94909648
> Okay, this is getting ridiculous. Your 3/5ths bullshit has got to stop, man.
> No, I want black roads and white roads and I want to be able to buy votes
> Fuck off you can't have your cake and enslave it too
> Fine, we're leaving
> You can't leave!
> Watch us. We're going to have slaves, and black jack, and hookers, and all the votes a property owner could ever want
> Okay, I'm throwing an intervention. You can't leave. You can't have slaves any more. The nigger mentality has gone to your head!
> Waaah but muh riiiiiiiights
> FUCK. OFF.

>>94909683
the south does own sole guilt because the north evolved past slavery and the south decided they would rather start a war than end it

>>94909695
No, but they did raid and burn down entire neighbourhoods.
Mostly their own, funny enough

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>>94909677
Yes, we should keep the statues we have, like the signers of the declaration of independence

>>94909683
Or of the president who signed the emancipation proclamation.

>>94909561
Which conveniently ignores the non-political argument that statues should be preserved as historical monuments. But if you want to believe those people are all just lying secret racists be my guest. The way people are carrying on with their fingers in their ears on both sides another civil war probably isn't far off.

>>94909701
If you're gonna handle that definition you might as well consider every fucking household a different culture

Use commonly accepted definitions or fuck right off

>>94909715
How is that an argument against General Lee? Seriously, have you ever read a word about the man?

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>>94909598
You obtuse mother fucker. In this instance, yea. Bith sides sucked, but one side smartly decided to make owning a race of people the issue and historically onward, made the south the bad guys. Just like Nazi's, confederates are also bad guys. Contrarianism being brought to you by full retard!

>>94909720
>the north evolved past slavery
The north held slaves longer than the south did.
Your statement is factually and historically inaccurate.

>>94909673
>before I watch McGregor destroy Mayweather
He's gonna go down like a bigger bitch than Rousey.

>>94909697
>you're in the wrong by pulling down Robert E. Lee statues if you don't tear down the Lincoln memorial at the same time.

Thankfully we're progressively burning (burning? apparently we're burning them now) statues of lincoln!

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There should be an immediate death penalty for destroying historical monuments and indulging in historical revisionism, regardless if said history is "good" or "bad". Because that is entirely subjective, and does not give anyone the right to erase the past just because it makes them uncomfortable.

>>94909736
Only that he was on the wrong side of the war. Had some all right ideas but French ideals are custom tailored to implode like clockwork.

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>>94909745

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>>94909086
>in all serioussness can all the violence stop? i dont like nazis nor communists
Stop being a rational human being, you dumb nigger. Pick one moronic extreme or the other

>>94909715
I'm not American you fucking moron.

>>94909638
>>I have no idea how it can be used as an argument in their favor.
Nuance being lost on an autist. Nothing to see here, move along

>>94909740
>doesn't have arguments
>resorts to insults
And for a second there I was hoping for a civil conversation.

>>94909086
>in all serioussness can all the violence stop?
Only a nazi would defend nazis by saying that violence isn't the right political course of action!

>>94909731
Hey, I offered a compromise. Just add an asterisk and a footnote that says all the bad shit as well as the good shit. That way even more history gets preserved. What's wrong with that?
I'd even say yeah, add those to the lincoln and washington monuments too. More transparency and history for everybody! Where's the problem then?

>>94909778
You people just can't argue with, the moment you are driven into a corner you just start spitting insults and labels.

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The left needs to stop pretending it cares about racism and admit they just want to destroy stuff because they're neo-anarchists.

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>>94909698
I was here before you.
For a bunch of cunts who believe in segregation, you sure have trouble sticking to your own board.

>>94909734
I can't reach into your mind and pull out the definition you'll accept exclusively, senpai.

>>94909740
So you admit that the North basically used "muh slaves" as a bullshit excuse they didn't even believe in to claim the moral high ground, yet you call it contrarian to call them out on it?

>>94909728
>Or of the president who signed the emancipation proclamation.

Right. Even though he supported war criminals that murdered Southern civilians, whom he claimed were American citizens -- his own citizens.

>>94909802
What? No, that's silly. That would only be true if they started burning statues of people who were on the union side of the war!

AND THAT HASN'T HAPPENED!

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>>94908742
>pulling down statutes leads to destroying art work and burning books

Don't worry, those are on the SJW agenda too.

>>94909819
That's because that would get them in trouble.

>>94909813

>Right. Even though he supported war criminals that murdered Southern civilians, whom he claimed were American citizens -- his own citizens.
Oh.

Well then let's definitely burn statues of him.

>>94909811
What part of "commonly accepted definitions" eludes your brain?

>>94909819
exactly, thats what the alt right pays actors to do instead

>>94909062
>Do what some places are doing and just put up statues of civil rights people and other black figures to balance it.

That's exactly how to do it.

The answer to speech you don't like is more speech you do like.

>>94909715
>Okay, I'm throwing an intervention. You can't leave. You can't have slaves any more. We're going to have slaves for just a bit longer, but you can't

Fixed that for you.

>>94909794
I don't think there's any problem adding seperate new information boards near statues to explain their historical context, no. That would be my preferred outcome as well. I just don't think they should be taken down or the original statues altered because like I say, my interest is in the preservation of history not glorifying racism.

>>94909833
>That's because that would get them in trouble.

I was being facetious. It actually has happened. You didn't hear about it FOR SOME STRANGE REASON >>94909683

>>94909848
In the US, the answer is to outlaw and ban speech you don't like.

>>94909835
I'm not the anon you're arguing with but seriously mate. The world is bigger than your neighbourhood.

>>94909843
So they paid someone to burn an effigy of lincoln that no one saw happen? To whom do you think that would be attributed if no one saw it?

And did they pay the alt-right to take down the statue of one of the signers to the declaration of independence too?

>>94909851
>Okay, I'm throwing an intervention. You can't leave. You can't drink any more. We're going to drink because it doesn't dominate and destroy our lives, but you can't anymore
Uh yeah that's basically how interventions work.

>>94909835
The part of the mental disconnect the majority culture and that of minorities in the same communities. That train of thought usually ends at a "x doesn't have a culture" or "y never contributed to civilization" that reeks of double standards. But of course this all goes back to the original point of history only being worth salvaging when it can make you (and i mean the royal you not you specifically) feel good about yourself.

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>>94909277
Does that mean we can tear down ugly modern art statues?

>>94909865
In Europe, you mean. Thankfully America has the First Amendment, so that process takes much much longer.

>>94909855
>He cant even tell a false flag when he sees one
way to be a puppet

>>94909865
>In the US
and Britain, and Germany, and everywhere else people have brains

>>94909802

But the left loves racism! It's a rallying point!

The left loves segregation! Don't appropriate my culture! Stay in your lane!

>>94909884
A false flag has to be seen waved to be effective.

>>94909744
Yes the Emancipation Proclamation ended slavery in the South. Before the 13th amendment formerly ended slavery

>>94909683
Honestly I dont give a rats ass about whos more guilty of being assholes during more racist times. The only reason southern bashing comes up is because of the hard on for confederate statues. Its really just the reaction of
>>Dont take away my history
>>Your history is also my history, and Id like to put it in a more appropriate place
>>Its current place is fine! Stupid lefty dont understand history!
>>Your clearly a racist for supporting this shit!
>>I will march with Nazis over the removal of a confederate statue holding a torch emulating KKK terrorism under the banner of white nationalism while chanting racial slurs to PROOVE Im not a racist
>>Wha blagh fuck?! (Which honestly is an appropriate response to such imaginative escalation)

Are we seeing how quickly this esculated? How we all just ran from rational thought like it was a lepper playing tag?

>>94909853
I think if you put the information on the statue itself it's okay. You're adding onto it, rather than taking it down, and that way it's a lot harder to overlook and pretend otherwise; you won't be able to deface one without the other as well so in the long run it's probably the safer choice.

Did we just solve this thing?

>>94909869
I've been around the world, mate. Enough to realise that when people talk about "cultures" in everyday conversation, they mean rather distinct groups typically living in different geographical locations.

Don't get asshurt because people bitched on you for not being clear about what you mean. That's on you, not us.

>>94909900
Correct.
And the north continued to own slaves long after that.

>>94909834

Not saying that. Just saying that he's not any better or worse than the people whose statues are being attacked.

>>94909874
>Effigy there for years of the great man that fought back against southern aggression and helped end slavery
>Suddenly neo nazis get ass blasted when their emperors statue gets fucked by the left
>The left destroys the effigy out of revenge for taking down slave emperor Lee
totally makes sense

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SJNVb0GnPI

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>>94909819
Anfita and other communist groups are already starting this shit in countries that NEVER had slavery.

You're an idiot.

>>94909926
I was being facetious. I'm sorry I had no way to make that more obvious to you.

94909922
>WAAAAH WHY IS MY RACIST VIDEO BEING CENSORED FOR HATE SPEECH
get over it already

>>94909881
Thank you anon, a clear and concise explanation of the point that was being made. That was all I asked for and I even agree with you

>>94909926
>making a public area look like gang territory
Should be made to clean up parks for the next few months

>>94909894
Appropriation is a weird thing. I think the problem isn't that it happens so much as it happens without credit. Some people go to an extreme and think "if we're not gonna get credited for this or vindicated by history then why the fuck do you get to use it?"
Like with modern music and how a huge percent of it can probably be tracked back to black people.

>>94909903
>while chanting racial slurs to PROOVE Im not a racist
Nigger they didn't say shit, they said "You will not replace us" which, surprise, media outlets decided to claim was them saying jews will not replace us. Funny how it only takes a single event with media dog whistling to be enough to okay mass removal of long standing statues.

>>94909903
Your post is basically MUH ARGUMENT COMICS but without the visuals

>>94909916
Or because the left has motives that are unfathomably silly
>>94909926

So, seeing how much /co/ actually likes some political stuff once in a while, do you think mods should allow one political thread per board to contain /pol/ and tumblr? I mean, not a /pol/ thread per se with some obnoxiously extreme opinions, but a rather civil one.

>>94909851
>The north was evil and hypocrite, that's why it's Ok to keep statues in public spaces that glorify people that literally fought to keep slaves, it's perfectly reasonable, we are also parading down the streets armed with weapons chanting nazi hymns, if you as part of what we declare an inferior race feel uncomfortable, you better shut up if you know what's good for you.

>>94909926
thats clearly the alt right trying to stir shit

>>94909953
>You will not replace us
you want to try actually listening to it?

>>94909909
>they mean rather distinct groups typically living in different geographical locations.
Is "the south side" really that different geographically that it stops counting as relevant? I mean I guess with gerrymandering I can see why but still.

>>94909910
What was the key difference between north slavery and south slavery?

>>94909906
No, because what information are you going to add? MLK was a communist, adulterer, wife beating, plagiarist, are you going to slap that onto every MLK statue?
These statues exist to honor the good deeds these men did, everyone has their vices.

>>94909900

The Emancipation Proclamation went into effect to prevent European countries from coming to the South's aid. It's basically what turned the war from being about the Right to Secede into a War over Slavery. The theory was that the PR of fighting on the slave side of a war over slavery would be too much for the Eurostates to handle.

Then the French lost the Battle of Puebla, and the idea of intervention was basically killed.

>>94909965
Retard

>>94909972
Is this one of those real questions or are you baiting?

>>94909953
So, who's the "You" in the statement then? You's a pronoun. Give me the proper noun.

>>94909966
Have you?

"Jews will not replace us" doesn't even make ANY FUCKING SENSE to shout, considering the whole idea they have is that jews are these masterminds that enslave us all, not replace us all.

>>94909697
This is exactly why we need to remove the statues. Dumbasses thinking Robert E Lee and Lincoln are comparable

You can kick and scream about all the ways lincoln was racist and lee was not, and all the ways that the civil war wasnt about racism. Your intentionally glossing over the "slavery" part like its a footnote. Maybe it is a footnote to you, maybe you really dont get why for a lot of people thats the most important part of the civil war. I'll ask point blank; Do you not get why slavery is the most important part of the civil war when viewed from a historical context?

>>94909980
>No, because what information are you going to add? MLK was a communist, adulterer, wife beating, plagiarist, are you going to slap that onto every MLK statue?
Sure. Why not?
I'd be okay with that.

>>94909983
>Oh shit, He's not falling for our bullshit. better call him a retard

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>>94908742
>>94909830
>pulling down statutes leads to destroying art work and burning books

>>94909966
I'm not invested in your argument.
I've heard it.

It's "You."

>>94910001
>for a lot of people thats the most important part of the civil war
These people are complete and absolute morons.

>>94909953

I thought the "You will not replace us" was a direct response to all of the "I can't wait until 2050" rhetoric.

2050 is the year when white people will be a minority in the US

>>94909990
The government.. You know, what with America dropping from 90% white to 60% in less than 50 years.

>>94909966
I did, clearly it's you.

>>94909910
How much longer?
Hadn't most Northern states already banned slavery by the time the war started?

>>94909972
That the North won?

>>94910020
Yeah
Slavery was going to be abolished in a few years anyway due to machinery being cheaper to use than slave labor

The south seceding would have been a much bigger deal than slavery staying legal

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>>94910010
> Destroying things that don't agree with you leads to producing new and wonderful things
Ayyyy hol up. We gotz a skolla in da howws

>>94910007
i mean desu I wouldn't mind having like two full pages worth of text beneath every statue to describe what the person actually did. god damn now you have me wanting it too.

>>94910009
You are a fucking retard.

>>94909953
Because getting replaced is a real fear nowdays and it's something the media can't address because it makes them look horrible since you know they have been targeting one group and one group only for years now and it's gotten so bad that people decide that it's ok to go shoot a bunch of right wing politicians

>>94910023
>The government.. You know, what with America dropping from 90% white to 60% in less than 50 years.
I kind of want to ask what you really think the government should do about it but the more prescient question I have is ...So?

>>94910032
>Hadn't most Northern states already banned slavery by the time the war started?
The emancipation proclamation was for the south. Not the north. There were several reasons they were exempt, not the least of which being corporate bodies being not considered individuals in those days and of course factories were owned by companies and corporations so TECHNICALLY an _individual_ wasn't owning slaves.

>How much longer?
If memory serves? The north discontinued it sometime after the war.

>>94909972
> What was the key difference between north slavery and south slavery?

A few hundred thousand people died while abolishing slavery in the South?

>>94910039
>that gif
SORCERY!

>>94909995
There's a lot of posters on /pol/ (trolls or sincere, who can tell?) who claim that Jews want to replace all the white people in Europe and the US with Africans and Muslims and Muslim Africans.

That doesn't make any sense, since those same Muslims hate Jews as much as Nazis do, but they endlessly point to a handful of suicidal Jews like Barbara Spectre and claim they speak for everyone.

On the other hand, /pol/, which never misses an opportunity to celebrate Jew hatred, also insist that it was "You will not replace us", and which makes me wonder.

>>94909926
>Blaming Cook, a naval officer and explorer who barely set foot in Australia for oppression of the Aborigines that occured long after he was dead
I hate this shit. At least get your targets right.

>>94910056
It's a "real fear" for nazi retards no one else cares that's why no one addresses it because it doesn't fucking matter

>>94910076
I am not that guy but whites have consistently been the most benevolent race in history and it is ridiculous to pretend that America would keep the same values or culture if the majority population was replaced

>>94910078

Also, they didn't want the Northern slave states to secede.

Also, they needed food to feed the war effort, and someone had to work the fields.

>>94910113
Work the fields. Mind the factories. Produce canvas for uniforms, make guns...

Slavery during wartime helped feed the war machine to the north. An ironic twist of fate.

>>94910078
>There were several reasons they were exempt, not the least of which being corporate bodies being not considered individuals in those days and of course factories were owned by companies and corporations so TECHNICALLY an _individual_ wasn't owning slaves.
So couldn't the south have just incorporated?

>>94910097

Fuck you, it rhymes.

If it rhymes, then it's... um... legit.

>>94909425
i'm black and i don't give a fuck about confederate statues. a statue can't harm me unless it falls on me. maybe stop being a pussy white boy?

>>94910094
>On the other hand, /pol/, which never misses an opportunity to celebrate Jew hatred, also insist that it was "You will not replace us", and which makes me wonder.
Because they realize that rally did massive damage to their "cause" so they're trying to undo some of it so people won't automatically write them off as the nazis they clearly are

>>94910076
The reason identatarians want white people gone is that they believe that white people will always vote for white people's interests so you need them gone so every other racial group gets a chance
Wich is absolutely insane since people don't vote as a racial block and things like income is a better predictor of voting tendency's than race, also without white people you will move to the next race and the next race and we know this already
As for what to do? Enforcing the law would be a good start

>>94910078
As far as I can tell, the only Northern states that still allowed slavery at the time of the Civil War were Maryland and Delaware. Maryland abolished in 1864, and Delaware in 1865.

Maryland was forced to stay in the Union even though many there wanted to secede. Don't know about Delaware.

>>94910110
Not to me. And it seems like you're confusing replacing with mixing.
And what would be the solution to that? Because even if you put up an iron curtain you'd still have to enact breeding laws in order to curtail the "problem".

>>94910035

You say that, but the US still hasn't found a replacement for slavery in agriculture. That's why there's such a demand for illegal immigrants.

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>>94910110
> Benevolent
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA No. But they're certainly the most entertaining race.

- God

>>94910102
You may not like it but it's a legitimate fear, way more legitimate that lgbt people fearing getting killed or women fearing a conspiracy theory about a magic institution powered be testosterone

>>94910133
If it rhymes it's prime.
If it rhymes it's not a crime.
If it rhymes it's sublime.

>>94910139
The damage to their cause was from the guy in the Dodge Charger, who singlehandedly erased any gains the White Nationalist side made.

Otherwise, the news media might have focused on their racist chants and signs, but there'd have been plenty of attention to the antifa violence recorded by journalists and hundreds of people on both sides.

Not only did one terrorist ruin everything for his side, but he also legitimized the terrible pattern of violence from the other side.

>>94910164
> the US still hasn't found a replacement for slavery in agriculture
Yes they did. That's why school vacation existed in the first place, so that a surge of able farm hands could work the fields during the most important times of the season.

>>94910132
>So couldn't the south have just incorporated?
Most slaveholders in the south were wealthy land owners or businessmen. They were family run and owned operations. In spite of that, no, incorporating themselves into a proper business or cooperative wouldn't have exempted them as the emancipation proclamation was specifically directed at slave states.

>>94910152
Well the north did this, "let's gradually emancipate instead of all at once" thing. Again, the entire union was headed in this direction very gradually and, if the south hadn't seceded they probably would have gradually emancipated as well, just at a later date. Delaware kept slaves even after it wasn't profitable. Speaking of delaware, they didn't ratify the 13th amendment until 1901.

Fun fact. Before the emancipation proclamation there were about 600,000 slaves. At around 1860, it was around 3.9 million.

>>94910149
I don't know if I count as an identatarian and I agree that nobody votes solely for their race (most of the time anyway), but to be completely honest I'm fucking scared of white people. I don't want you guys to all die out but ya'll need to fucking chill and maybe also stop acting like I'm shit just for being 66% brown.

>>94908966
>it's okay to be a miserable piece of shit as long as other people around you are also okay with literally owning humans
bet you think it's cool to stone gays and adulterers in Iran as well eh

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>>94910177
>If it rhymes it's not a crime.
Ah yes the /pol/ motto

>>94910157
Funny you should mention that...

A current theme among lefties is segregation. There's a big push that interbreeding (interaction, etc.) between races is wrong.

I guess they're trying to proliferate the problem. huh.

>>94910216
>There's a big push that interbreeding (interaction, etc.) between races is wrong.
no

>>94907247

You shouldn't take a statue down, instead you should put up a plack describing honestly what the person fought for rather than just a vague memorium.

>>94910232
Woah. You sure shut him down.

>>94910216
That's the right. The left believes that existing as anything other than a special snowflake is wrong.

>>94910254
Well it's pretty easy when they say the stupidest shit imaginable so I can't take all the credit.

>>94910256

Depends. Certain parts of the left believes it too, but they push the whites being the dirty genes that should never be mixed with the other races instead of the other races dirtying the pure whites.

Same shit, different wording.

>>94910216
I'm gonna be honest. In the last three years the only ideology I can really agree to his horseshoe theory because if the left or the right wins it doesn't matter. Either way it's a bunch of rich white dudes telling me I can't think for myself and they need to make my decisions for me. Either I'm treated like a toy poodle or a raccoon but never a human.
I'm all for interbreeding though. Asians with big boobs are my fetish and that mulatto chick from the "america in 50 years" natgeo was a qt.

>>94910256

And part of being a special snowflake is defending your specialness and keeping others from it.

Look at some BLM folks. Deray McKesson's twitter is a good place to start.

>>94910232
Fetching argument, but you should have gone with, "Nooooooooo!"

We should build statues of best General throughout the his path to the sea.

>>94910310
Who would that be?

>>94910286
Get it right. Any deviation from special snowflakedom is an oppression of freedom, and whites are at the center of all oppression in the world without exception. Therefore whites should be bred into extinction.

>>94910213
That's actual racism
You should look for help because you are limiting you own life and capacity

>>94910289

You are, indeed, my brother.

>>94910308
There's very little point in arguing against a delusional fantasy concocted so that someone can say "The liberals are the REAL racists!"

>>94910330
Pretty sure he's talking about that Johnny Bravo finger puppet

>>94910335
Already in therapy. Still not in any hurry to travel too far south. Statistically speaking it's just not a sound decision.

>>94910332

That doesn't refute what I said. It's similar shit regardless, except one says whites are pure good while the other says whites are pure evil.

>>94910350
"The liberals are ALSO racists!" is probably closer to the actual argument. Racism is beneficial to both the left and the right, since people can be irrational about it.

>>94910373
If we're going off statistics, you're way more likely to get savagely beat or killed by someone your own race.

What does it matter?

This thread isn't going to change things, even if people here can come to an agreement. Out there, America's burning because both sides want to tear each other apart. Just get the Civil War over and done with and spare us the misery of waiting for the inevitable.

>>94910289
>Through dick, unity
If there's one thing that can unite us it's our desire for exotic vagina. Those really, really dark African native girls make my white dick diamonds, I can't understand /pol/, my biology is clearly telling me to race mix with the purest black girls that exist.

>>94910373
You're far more likely to be stabbed to death by a black person for being too white than you are of being yelled at by a white person for being black.

Just reminding you.

>>94910373
It's actually not about race for white people, not even for the Nazis or white supremacists, this is white people fighting white people and there is evidence of it everywhere
There are videos online of groups of white scrawny looking upper middle class college students with fake glasses and purple hair screaming race traitor and Uncle Tom to a black guy who is right wing or centrist or a trump supporter or not pro black lives matter
Check the comments on said videos, all people you think they want black people gone that want to smash the face of them

>>94910214
>all of your ancestors did things you don't approve of
>so fuck them

This is why in Chinese culture dishonoring your ancestors will get you lynched

>>94910394
>>94910350
There's degrees of it though. Liberals do some pretty fucked up, myopic, and downright bewildering shit when it comes to race and I don't agree with half of it (and this is why I hope Get Out wins an oscar) BUT they're by and large not the side playing the "this race is subhuman/genetically inferior" card. Both sides are racing to the bottom at breakneck speed tho.

>Trump is going to live rent free in everyone's head for 7 more years

Feels comfy

>>94909117
>3.) The difference is that people KNEW General Lee and Co. were fighting for their right to own black people as slaves. Nobody KNEW about Hans Sprungfeld.

Both sides in murica civil war use slave labor, even in South America we know this fact, why are muricans soo retarded?

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>58 ids
>304 posts

>>94910405
Not if I don't leave the house.
>>94910419
I'm not, but maybe you are. So I can kind of understand how you feel. I'd rather be stabbed than lynched or tied behind a car though.
>>94910426
I'd rather not take my chances all the same even if I do agree with you (>>94910289
). Besides the only thing I'd want to travel south for is southern barbecue and to maybe try fried alligator and I can get that stuff here if I search hard enough.

>>94908715
>>94908742
>>94908791
It's a historical relic, you uncultured swine.

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>>94910330
Glad you asked. General Sherman.
I think Atlanta and Savannah could use some replacements statues.

>>94910436
Either that or Chairman of the Communist Party

>>94910458
>a few people from /pol/ and plebbit are shitting up the board

Who would have thought?

>>94910212
>Well the north did this, "let's gradually emancipate instead of all at once" thing.

That was because of States Rights, Northern states abolished slavery on their own, mostly in the early 1800s.

>Again, the entire union was headed in this direction very gradually and, if the south hadn't seceded they probably would have gradually emancipated as well, just at a later date.

Very true. It's a lot cheaper (then and now) to use immigrant labor, where you only have to pay them, you don't have to feed and house them and take care of them in their old age.

>Fun fact. Before the emancipation proclamation there were about 600,000 slaves. At around 1860, it was around 3.9 million.

That doesn't make any sense. The Emancipation Proclamation was in 1863.

>>94910216
Horseshoe theory in action. No one here is doubting that the SJWs are just as bad as the alt-right.
(Personally I feel they're even worse, since they're so two-faced. It's one thing for a proudly racist KKK member to be racist, it's another thing entirely for a proud SJW anti-racism campaigner to be racist.)

>>94910477
>Yes, people fear a situation where you mass import hundreds of millions of foreigners into previously homogenous nation
You're entitled to that fear, for all the good it does you. For me, it's a sign of safety in the incoming herd. It's a chance to no longer feel as alone. Perspective is funny like that.
>and then the indigenous population is bred out of existence by mixing
Hey, I'll have you know I'm 8% Native American.

>>94910442
He won't even get seven more months not after yesterday

>people debating causes, sides and morality of the American Civil War as if any of them have enough education to discuss the topic
>everyone just over generalizes and over simplifies to make whatever point suits them
>completely ignore the fact that the statues actually have nothing to do with the actual civil war and are later products of racist movements that mythologized the confederacy
>places way too much importance on statues in the first place, be honest when was the last time any of you even went up to a statue and actually read what it was about in the first place, no one cares about the statues other than a few extremists most people just care cause the other side cares

>This whole debate is on /co/

just please everyone who reads this, do me a favor and kill yourself, start improving the human gene pool and raise the collective intelligence of the human race.

>>94909398
>Except that history and culture are intrinsically connected to racism
That's the history and culture of the United States as a whole. Need I remind you Washington was also a slave owner?

>>94910480
>Not if I don't leave the house.
Again, this statistic includes hot burglaries. You're more likely, statistically, to receive violence from your own race than another. Even if you never leave the house.

But your odds are still low. You can't live your life in fear of what _might_ happen.

> I'd rather be stabbed than lynched or tied behind a car though.

Hanging is quick - snap of the neck. You don't choke to death.
Stabbing is a gruesome, awful way to die.

Being tied behind a car is also pretty terrible.

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>>94909381

>left
>new fascists
>Implying the original fascists were not also the left

Mussolinni was a socialist.

Threads like these are why I fear european federalisation. The idea that fucking Spain could one day have a say in what we celebrate up here in the north makes me a little sick.

It is funny to me how people that hate America so much can feel such a strong desire to emulate it...

>>94909425
Here's a crazy concept I'd like to run by you;

What if you...got upset over things that had actually happened to you in your lifetime instead of getting upset about things that happened to your great grandparents, you pathetic fucking faggot? It's a fucking inanimate object and it's public property, if that's what the taxpayers want then that's what they get, if not you can have a fucking local vote on it, jesus christ you burgers are a bunch of shitbrained animals.

>>94910500
In new england, abolition was rather quick.

Other northern states, it was very gradual and slow with not much changing for many years, including children of slaves for a certain protracted period of time not being freed.

>It's a lot cheaper (then and now) to use immigrant labor, where you only have to pay them, you don't have to feed and house them and take care of them in their old age.
Not to mention the upfront cost of buying one.

>>94910537
yeah and he was a lot more than that, like a hero

Meanwhile people like Robert E Lee are literally traitors who attempted to destroy this nation, they aren't bad just because they owned slaved, they are bad because they committed literal treason because they were worried someone might take away their slaves

>reading threads like this, you become more and more convinced that the state of the current "left" is the result of a conspiracy by the rich to switch people in the left from fighting wealth/class inequality to bullshit non-issues

>>94910531
>you're not allowed to discuss historic events at all unless you've finished at least three doctorates on the historical minutia of a given era

>>94910531
>doing exactly what you're accusing others of and generalising, misrepresenting and simplifying others' arguments and points of view
You first m8

>>94910555
>if not you can have a fucking local vote on it,
And then non-locals come in to defend it and overturn the decision.

>>94910510
Maybe if republicans didn't gerrymander so well I'd agree. but people don't give a fuck bout senetors or the house when it's jut as important as congress. Unless republican voters change their minds democrats are fucked.

>>94910555
>if not you can have a fucking local vote on it
Can't do that, most people are in favor of keeping the statue.

>>94910289
>In the last three years the only ideology I can really agree to his horseshoe theory because if the left or the right wins it doesn't matter. Either way it's a bunch of rich white dudes telling me I can't think for myself and they need to make my decisions for me.

100% agree.

>>94910442
Sad but true. SJWs are killing the left. A lot of people only feel comfortable speaking out from the privacy of the voting booth.

>>94910480
>Not if I don't leave the house.

Most violence occurs at home, Anon. At the hands of someone the victim knew.

>>94910498
>58 posters
>a few

That's a great turnout, actually.

>>94910531
>be honest when was the last time any of you even went up to a statue and actually read what it was about in the first place,

I read every historical plaque I see. Most people don't do that, but on a place like /co/ you're a lot more likely to find readers.

>>94910537
>Need I remind you Washington was also a slave owner?

Which is why some people have already started calling for his statues to be torn down. That idea may seem silly now, but the idea of tearing down any statues seemed silly just 10 years ago.

>>94910580
The politicians had decades to defuse the situation and avoid the drive to civil war. Don't fault a man like Lee for choosing to defend his home when shit inevitably hit the fan.

>>94910510
I missed what happened yesterday.

>>94910589
not that much, but you should be forced to take more than an American High School education before you allowed to have an opinion that matters

but what do I know, I'm an educated elite, I favor voter competency tests as well, god forbid we demanded people know how to think people before listen to their input on important issues

>>94910508
So basically you're mentally retarded and one of those white people that steals benefits from actual natives? Cool stuff.

>>94910609
>That idea may seem silly now
Richard Stockton was a signer to the declaration of independence and his statue was removed.

Because slaves.

>>94910609
personally, i can't stand it. when you resort to these tactics you must not think that much of your ideals. To resort to violence is just barbaric.

>>94909673
>Germany got rid of their Nazi shit.
And look how they turned out? We basically spent half a century telling Germany they weren't allowed to memorialize their dead, acknowledge their history, and now they're a beaten race engaging in self-genocide.

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>>94910289
>horseshoe theory
>qt
>thinks with his dick

Behold the voting public, the main reason why democratic societies fail.

>>94910555
>What if you...got upset over things that had actually happened to you in your lifetime instead of getting upset about things that happened to your great grandparents, you pathetic fucking faggot?
You mean like "muh white genocide"?

>>94910666
And? It's a new age. We don't need to keep honoring them.

>>94910550
I hear that. It's annoying here in my state of NY to have upstate hillbillies making laws that effect us in NYC - and the people upstate feel the exact same way about City liberals making laws that effect them.

To try an enact that on a continent wide scale in Europe, after 2000 years of warfare and hatred, is absurd.

Though the real result of the EU seems to have been to empower bureaucrats, not politicians.

>>94910568
>Not to mention the upfront cost of buying one.

True. And the come voluntarily, paying for the privilege. The endless waves of Irish in the 1860s, or Mexicans now, are so much more easily managed then slave trade.

>>94910581
Exactly.
How else do you explain how most SJWs are trust fund kiddies? Why do you think that most older SJWs were right-wingers supporting Dubya Bush and his wars 10 years ago?

(Well, there's also the aspect of them being bullies, and adopting which ever political ideas are trendy and allow them to tell other people what to do and how to think.)

>>94910596
Republicans are far better (and hence much worse) at gerrymandering than Democrats, but that effects Congress and statehouses, not the Presidency.

It's the Democrats inability to kick the Clinton wing to the curb, and their takeover by the Regressive Left, that's guaranteeing two terms of Trump.

>>94910608
Depends where. If locals really are opposed to removal, look for a lot of state-level politicians getting replaced in next year's elections.

>>94910624
Agreed. It's well known that Lee was against succession and not that big on slavery, but he sided with his state over his country.

>>94910580
Lee took up command for the Confederacy because he respected that secession was the will of the people of his state. He opposed seceding from the Union himself. You people know zero fucking history.

>>94910648
I'm only about 20% white.
Like many African Americans I'm not any one thing genetically, which is why all the talk about the perils of race mixing from both sides of the aisle kind of seems silly.

>>94910666
Yes and since he was pardoned we must all agree that Nixon was the best president ever and did nothing wrong ever but seemed to resign for literally no reason at all, considering he literally did nothing wrong

is that really the best argument you have? Semantic garbage based on pardon nearly 100 years later

Either your retarded or just wasting my time with arguments you know are completely false you just hope no notices because you know you can't actually justify your view points with real arguments

>>94910638
And who decides on the material for those competency tests? Who decides who qualifies? And how do the people who these competency tests disenfranchise go about making their concerns known? Poll tests were banned for a reason.

I'm working on a PhD in physics, but I would never be so elitist as to suggest anyone with less than a college education in science shouldn't be allowed to discuss scientific discoveries and issues, that'd be retarded. We learn more and gain insight through discussion and discourse, the exchange of ideas, putting our understanding and knowledge into the forum to agreed with or disagreed with, co-opted or corrected.

>>94910719
how does that make him less of a traitor to the Union?

I think you don't understand what the word traitor means or how it works

His motives don't somehow change the treasonous nature of his actions

That's like claims your not a murderer because you were paid to do it

>>94910624
this