Captain America - Secret Empire

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(posting this because I've been reading Gruenwald's Cap and it referenced this much earlier storyline, so I wanted to go back and check it out)

>>94897833
Oh, you were serious. I figured this was just a /pol/ shitposting thread when I saw it in the catalogue considering the cover.

>>94897765
COMICS AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE POLITICAL!


I'm honestly surprised by how much Englehart was allowed to get away with in this.
The US must have really hated Nixon by 1973

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>>94897855
In retrospect, I probably should have realized what starting with this issue would imply.

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>>94897863
Apparently Englehart and his mid-70's Marvel pals like Starlin and Gerber were purposely trying to see how much they could get away with in these comics.

Plus Marvel's primary audience at this time were college-aged kids who definitely were in staunch opposition to Vietnam and Nixon.

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I wasn't really thinking of any political implications when making this thread, just interested in the story. Hopefully things won't devolve into political bickering but not a lot of /co/ are that interested in 70's comics anyway.

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>Tumblr's attacking again?!

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>But there's not a Tumblr in sight-- and a hard search turns up no one hidden as well
Someone's gonna get some good reaction images out of this issue.

>>94898080
I am picturing Peggy as a 70 year old woman

>>94898080
Let's be honest, they'll vacate the thread the second they see that there's a storytime going on rather than just complaining about people complaining about Trump.

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>>94898105
She's what I believe the Japanese call a "Christmas cake"

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Hey, Spencer could turn /co/ back to his side overnight by bringing back Tumbler as a strawman Tumblr.

Though he did use actual SJW strawvillains already and nobody on /co/ even noticed, so maybe it's too late.

>>94898155
>nobody on /co/ even noticed
The opposite, actually. The day that comic got released, pages from it were posted on /pol/ and we got flooded by butthurt /pol/lacks screaming about how it was SJW pandering and white genocide because they were under the mistaken impression that Spencer was trying to portray the clearly villainous SJW strawmen as the heroes of the story.

Then when people tried to correct them, they just started shitposting about how that's what (((they))) want you to think and it just went from there.

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>>94898197
My expectations are at rock bottom yet still I am disappointed.

>>94898225
Worst Moonstone desu

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>>94898239
I had read in a synopsis that this was the debut of the first Moonstone and I just realized they meant this one, not the one we know and love.

>>94898225
Yeah it was a real eye opener. After reading the comic I came on /co/ expecting to find people going "based Spencer taking it to the SJWs" or something like that. Instead there were like 3 different threads filled with rampant butthurt over all the "SJW pandering" and, lo and behold, a thread that went over bump limit over on /pol/ filled with rampant butthurt and people calling for a raid of /co/ that was timestamped before any of the three threads.

Just goes to show how far the victim complex goes. Even when someone is AGREEING with them, they'll still see you as the enemy to to try and justify their shitposting and anger. It's just "what is today's excuse to get outraged" and when there is nothing, they'll just make something up.

The only way to win is not to play.

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>>94898285
The "outrage" over the Spider-Man panel from SE #9 yesterday was an unexpected lol

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>This fox isn't known for her tact

Also, 70's Jungle Action is in the same tier as stuff like this and Gerber's satirical work and Starlin's drug influenced work, in that it was part of the "this isn't selling so well, so let's see what kind of shit we can get away with" movement.

Don McGregor wrote it as a HIGHLY political and philosophical and notoriously verbose work. Panther even takes on the KKK in it.

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Dwayne McDuffie on McGregor's Jungle Action:

>This overlooked and underrated classic is arguably the most tightly written multi-part superhero epic ever. ... It's damn-near flawless, every issue, every scene, a functional, necessary part of the whole. Okay, now go back and read any individual issue. You'll find seamlessly integrated words and pictures; clearly introduced characters and situations; a concise (sometimes even transparent) recap; beautifully developed character relationships; at least one cool new villain; a stunning action set piece to test our hero's skills and resolve; and a story that is always moving forward towards a definite and satisfying conclusion. That's what we should all be delivering, every single month. Don [McGregor] and company did it in only 17-story pages per issue.

Maybe I'll storytime some of it some time.

>>94898477
>google Don McGregor
>get a picture of McDuffie
Every time.

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Panther is so good at keeping this ornery lady calm

The 70's was Marvel's best era.

Agree or disagree?

>>94898629
The 80's were better.

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>>94898629
I'm partial to mid-80's because of Gruenwald Cap, Simonson Thor and Michellinie Iron Man, but the amount of boundary pushing in the 70's is undeniable.

70's was also before obnoxious crossover events.

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Everyone shits on this costume but hey, I love it.

How's the hurricane situation?

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No political commentary here. Nope.

>>94898645
>>94898662
How I think of it is that the 70's were when Marvel was putting out the more experimental arcs and characters and the eighties were when the stories were at their peak. Hell, even Howard the Duck comics from the 70's are worth reading for what they have to say, rather than the story they're telling. In I think issue 16, Gerber just wrote an essay about writing because he had missed deadline twice.

Basically, you read Starlin's Warlock for the philosophies he presents. You read Kraven's Last Hunt because it's a damned good story.

>>94898692
I'm guessing you also like Dick's Disco costume.

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>>94898698
I'm in DFW so not affected, but I have family and friends in Houston who I hope decide to get out for the weekend.

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>>94898744
Very well-put, agreed 100%.

>>94898748
Yes I do

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Gruenwald's Cap is full of moral challenges for Steve like this one, and it's what I love most about it.

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S. Buscema can really channel Kirby sometimes.

>>94898787
I actually read Roy Thomas's Warlock run recently and that guy doesn't get enough credit. He was just as good at writing that character as Starlin is.

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>>94898899
I'm a big Roy Thomas fan myself. He wasn't as experimental as the others, of course, but he could tell a damn good story, understood character voices really well, and had a huge imagination.

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>Civil War.jpg

>>94898928
Dead on.

And thanks for storytiming, man, I love this arc.

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>Are you ready for Moonstone Comics?
Yes, but not this Moonstone.

>>94899140
Any time, anon.

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>>94899298
Man that is some Adam West Batman logic right there

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I'm loving Gruenwald's arc of, as Nomad puts it, "The Captain and his Super Hero Road Show" with the five of them traveling around the US like this.

>>94899401
>>94899389
>>94899376
Banshee just does not look human here.

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>>94899416
He's not human, he's mutant :^)

>>94899416
I'm guessing you missed the early days of the great X-men storytime because he used to look like a literal leprechaun when he first debuted, pipe and all.

>>94899434
Touché

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Rightclops appears!

>>94899462
I never recovered from hearing him speak in the 90's cartoon to be honest. As an Irishman, it hurts that that's what they thought he would genuinely sound like.

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Marvel Phase Two?!

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I probably would have had more interest in the MCU if each phase was based on a decade of Marvel history, desu.

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I love Dugan

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Fun fact: Beast was apparently made more... bestial looking because there was a rise in popularity in horror around that time, especially in werewolves, which also lead to Marvel starting Werewolf By Night, Tomb of Dracula and Ghost Rider.

>>94899694
Further fun fact: He was supposed to be black or dark grey, the blue was just old coloring highlights at first.

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>>94899786
I can see that being the case. When I was younger I usually interpreted blue to just be highlights on black, for example I felt Batman's costume was black and the blue parts of Wolverine's costume were black.

But by "younger" I mean like 5 or 6 years old.

>>94899582
Didn't the X-Men have new costumes by now?

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>>94899935
I'm not up on my X-Men history but I believe not till the Claremont era which starts in '75, this is still '74

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>>94900062
Totally not social commentary

>>94900062
I love how this recap works

>>94899935
>>94900023
Yeah they had unique costumes by the end of the original run before the franchise was revived by Giant Sized.

Angel's was fucking awful, Beast was bland, Iceman was just Ice form, Jean Grey had the Marvel Girl outfit, and Cyclops had the one he would rock for the Claremont era with the yellow trunks and pirate boots.

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>>94900080
It's a good way to do it: exactly one page of recap, not wasting space. Often today we see the opening text recap, then one to two pages of narration recapping what's happened, and sometimes even just a copy of the last page of the last issue after that.

>>94900154
>AAOOOGA
All I hear is Nixon from Futurama even though it's just a siren.

>>94900142
Ewing's Ultimates did it best. Have a cosmic observer character that is outside the narrative and fills the reader in at the start of each issue. Starlin did it to some extent with Sphinxor in his Warlock run.

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Check out those inks on that robot

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>>94900186
Considering where this plot goes, that could really be what the alarm sounds like

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>>94900216
>Be my wingman any time

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Sam apparently was later retconned to be a mutant, and then retconned again to NOT be a mutant later on.

>>94900265
>Blob needs his own table

>>94897765
thanks op

>>94900265
>Mesmero
Fuck you Guggenheim

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>Nothing survives the atomic annihilator! And America shall soon follow!
What did he mean by this?

>>94900349
What did Uncle Guggie do now?

Commitie to
Regain
American
Principles

Any one else look at the first letters of those sords going down? I feel clever.

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>>94900375
Heh. The Marvel history book I was reading spelled that out for me, but I forgot about it and didn't notice until you pointed it out.

>>94900371
Post Mouse Of M Mesmero lost his powers, this lead to a nice little story where he ends up falling in love and gets a happy ending where he lives a normal life.

In X-Men Gold he's just in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants

>>94900406
Wow, that's terrible. But hey, all in the name of nostalgia, right?

>>94900421
Remember when Bendis just had Blob show up again, fat and evil?

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In this episode, the part of Peggy Carter will be played by Carrie Fischer.

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I actually did not know either the Secret Empire OR AIM were part of Hydra, so that's interesting.

Spencer also used Boomerang in the current iteration of SE, of course, since Spencer loves his Superior Foes.

>>94900455
Bendis gonna Bendis.

>>94897850
man I'd piss myself too if i saw cap coming at me

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>>94900528
Gru even makes this a point in his run. He has Cap explaining his tactics, and notes that just charging with your shield out is good enough to make people cower in terror.

>>94900547
Freedom's scary, man.

>>94900508
AIM was a branch of HYRDA until MODOK seized control.

>>94897833

Thanks anon.

This can't be worst than nu Secret Empire

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So Number Two is the Headless Body of Spiro Agnew from Futurama, right?

>>94900729
Great panel break

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Whoo! America!

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And now for the SHOCKING conclusion

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t8hpEKb4gk

And that's it for that. Thanks for reading!

>>94900468

>is this a sex thing?
>why would it be a sex thing?

>>94900826
Thank again, anon! It's always good to see a classic like this get some appreciation on /co/.

>>94900826
It's Nomad time!

Some historical context: Nixon managed to successfully bury Watergate, and won over the hearts of the nation for the 1972 election. He won 49/50 states (not Massachusetts and D.C), and convinced the country to trust him.
By 1974, the Watergate investigation had been reopened, and it was clear that he was deeply involved in it. That disillusionment carried over into many forms of media.

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>>94897765
It's 4chan's arch-nemesis!

And secret lover.

>>94900807
He could have just stripped off his mask and robes and pretended he was one of the bystanders...

>>94901879
Given that it is implied to be President Nixon, he would be instantly recognized, and people mentioned earlier that he was supposed to be at a presidential retreat.

>>94901879
The TV cameras are pointed right at him.

>>94897765
THE TUMBLR

> In classic Marvel Falcon and Black Panther meet to discuss things relating to their jobs.

> In modern Marvel the Black Panther meets Falcon to discuss being black.

>>94902032
>Not talking about it in their secret black club.

>>94898225
Moonstone without tits. What madness is this?

>>94902372
A bad idea

>>94897765
I hope this question hasn't been asked yet...
But have The Tumbler and Batroc the Leaper ever faced off?

>>94902372
>>94904512
Am I the only one who liked him?

>>94904616
Unfortunately no because the Tumbler has the handicap of being dead.

>>94904639
He's alright, doesn't compare to other anti-Caps like Super Patriot.

>>94898629
66-86 is one big sweet spot, imo.

>>94898375
Co has gotten so bad lately. We really need heavy moderation up this joint. Like clear shit posts have to be deleted man.

I remember a week ago one Pol related post getting like 500 replies and the title was just "lol". Like what the fuck

>>94898459
The KKK vs Black Panther thing was actually editorial based. Editorial wanted white villains for Panther to fight instead of tribal rivals no one gave a fuck about, and Don McGregor suddenly had the KKK show up out of the blue for Panther to beat up.

>>94899935
When the X-Men ongoing got canceled with #66, later writers/artists randomly decided to say "Fuck It" and put Scott, Angel, and Jean back into their old yellow/black costumes since they were effectively D-Listers in the eyes of Marvel at this point.

Of the three, only Angel had a reason given (Magneto created the Neal Adams designed costume Angel wore, which under Englehart, turned out to have a bunch of secret circuitry in it that led Magneto leech his life force and control him.

Scott and Jean were back into their old costumes IIRC in Avengers #110-113, which was written by Englehart and drawn by IIRC Don Heck (an old school artist who might have been the one to unilaterally bring back the old costumes). It was also the story where Angel's Neal Adams costume got revealed to be booby trapped.

In X-Men The Hidden Years, John Byrne started a plotline where he intended to reveal WHY the Scott/Jean at least started wearing their old costumes again and had Jean in her first appearance costume, out of the blue, in the last couple of issues of THY.

Byrne never got to give the official reason, but it's heavily implied for Jean at least, that Xavier used his powers on Jean (and ultimately Scott and Warren) to force them back into their old rookie costumes, because he was getting pissy at how independent the team was getting and wanted them back under his thumb, complete with them being stripped of their unique costumes.

>>94900826
Fun fact; thanks to the sliding time scale? This is now Obama being caught running a KKK type cabal out to conquer the world, then blowing his brains out rather than allowing Cap to bring him to justice

>>94901967
To be fair, it's a moot point since Avengers Forever explicitly states, via power of retcon, that it wasn't the President but a nebulous cabinet level member of the then current administration.