Name the worst "Mary Sue" than this character.

>>94891184
Batman is real anon

>>94891184
>the worst than
go back to english classes, pedro

>>94891184
>Worst than
Fuck off.

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>>94891184
I'm not sure if other's will agree but I think Doc Savage is pretty bad for being a Mary Sue.

>>94892818
others*

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>>94891184

Don't worry anon, you're correct (an idiot at English but otherwise correct).

Bat God, aka Plot Armor Man is, most undoubtedly and quite literally, the worse.

>>94891184
>>94892870
At this point, there's mo reason to even have other superheroes anymore. Batman will just bullshit a way to solve any problem because preptime.

You can't be a mary sue in your own franchise. why is this term so hard for people to understand?

>>94891184
Anon confirmed for contemptible churl

>>94892812
>>94892781
stubid fucks

>>94892818
I agree.
I'm a fan of most pulp characters but I find Doc Savage insufferable and lame

>>94893360

Because Mary Sue has transformed into a term referring to any character that a person doesn't like.

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>>94892750
>Best Batman
>the worst "Mary Sue"
Kek

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>>94893360
>>94893613
The term "Mary Sue" is typically applied to characters, fan or canon, who are any of the following:
- always the center of attention/everything (the chosen one, everything must involve this character and they must always be the star, "where's poochie?")
- always depicted as being in the right or are forgiven for everything (see protagonist-centered morality)
- always win, never struggle, or are generally overpowered
- always get what they want
- have no flaws
- are loved by all (or at least all the "right" people)
- exist to lecture or push opinions
- are the author's self-insert

Have I missed anything?

>>94893803
- is added to a pre-existing franchise

THAT'S the thing that people always forget. That's the thing that makes it a Mary Sue. Batman cannot be a Mary Sue. Period. He can be all of those things you listed, but that still doesn't make him a Mary Sue. He is the main character and the franchise is named after him. He is wish fullfillment, he's overpowered, he gets a free pass from other in-universe characters, but he is not a Mary Sue because he wasn't added AFTER THE FACT to the narrative as a way for a writer to self-insert and interact with his favorite characters.

The only reason the "Mary Sue" argument stuck on Rey in TFA was because Lucas wasn't writing it, so it has the added layer of "official fan fiction" to it. She was a character added to a decades-old, pre-existing narrative, by a second generation of writers who are disconnected from the original creator, and has all of the characteristics listed in your post.

>>94893803
A lot of these don't apply to Batman, and the ones that do, also apply to every single superhero.

Agreed; perhaps discussion can transition from the term to the actual topic, which is more properly something more like " Please identify a more plot-armored, wish-fulfillment, etc. character than Batman".

Not the OP, but it's an interesting question, in a way. Batman is one of my favorite characters, so I'm biased in his favor, but I agree: he's among the tougher sells in a super-powered world, and when the plot armor grows clunky, it's quite painful.

>>94894430
What bigger plot armor and wish fulfillment than being absolutely invunerable to everything but a very rare rock, and also super strong, being able to fly, having super speed, being able to shoot rays from your eyes, having x-ray vision, etc.

>>94893803
>>94893922
>Marvel_Legacy.jpg

>>94891184
maybe if he kicked kato's ass with pure martial arts skills, probably.

as is? no.

I was going to say Bugs Bunny, but the I think the Road Runner has never lost ever

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>>94892818

You shut your whore mouths.

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The Shadow is basically Batman without his personality flaws or physical limitations causing any problems.

>>94893803
>fan or canon

WRONG. No canon character can be a "Mary Sue". Applying this term to a character who is part of or at the goddamn center of an official franchise does not work on any level. Just say "Character That I Don't Like", since that's exactly what you mean.

>>94891184
I hope youre not retarded enough to actually refer to the west batman in particular since thats a fucking comedy show. Almost every live action batman since has been portrayed as flawed to a varying degree

>>94892818
The thing I never got about Doc Savage is, he surrounds himself with experts in their fields, but he's smarter than all of them, so it's not like he makes up for jack-of-all-trades syndrome by having friends who're specialists, he's just better than everyone at everything.

>>94897201
>without his personality flaws
Because he has other ones instead. He's a different type of character
>physical limitations
But physical struggles have never been a very strong point with him. He's more of a spy than a fighter.
In the very second pulp he almost dies out of a stab injury.
And he's never presented as "better than everyone at everything" like Doc Savage and Batman are, that's why he has agents in the first place and why a bulk of his stories revolve around them.

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>>94891184
Easy

>>94898722
Yes, that's the joke.

>>94898001

Doc can't do everything simultaneously; he can't do legal research while operating on someone's brain, building a new kind of radio, cooking up meth, skulking around in the shady side of town disguised as an old Gypsy woman, and playing sax with a bunch of hepcats in a juke joint all at once.

Rey

>>94900100
Misogynist.

>>94901324
It's the only sensible choice.

>>94892818
My man, I'm working on a story centered about Doc Savage, and I intent to go on with one with Terry Sloane.

>>94892818
I wish I could understand why people like Doc Savage.
This coming from a huge fan of pulp characters. I never saw what is his appeal supposed to be other than a boring power fantasy

>>94891184
Anyone who actually fits the real "self insert OC character who is perfect in every way and liked by everyone" definition of Mary Sue, instead of the bastardized version that idiots like you use.

>>94897247
>WRONG
Yes you are.