Stormin' Norman

>>94871775
beat spiderman

>>94871879
He did beat something

Gwen.

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>>94872001
Go straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect etc etc etc.

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>>94871775
>best goblin
umm try again sweetie

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>>94872001

>>94872154

Legitimate Jason Macendale fan, or Kingsley fan posting the wrong Hobgoblin?

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>>94871775

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>>94871775
Best smug

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>>94873433

>>94873577
This is what the peterfags feels when they see miles kissing on spider-gwen.

>>94873326
>Legitimate Jason Macendale fan
I'm sure those don't exist, unless it's cartoon-onlies.
Comics Macendale is such a terrible villain.

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Friendly reminder that Mr. Romann right now is enjoying his vacation while Peter and co. suffer.

>>94874016
I bet he fucked Gwen before leaving :^)

>>94873840

He's a perfectly acceptable Electro- or Scorpion- tier Spider-Man villain, who actually has some fun stories, if you judge them on their own merits, rather than on Not Muh Hobgoblin.

Norman and Harry are Best Goblins, but I find Jason more fun to read about than Kingsley and his plot armor.

>I...I didn't lose! It wasn't really me! I was never there!

That's bad enough when it's Doom or Thanos.

>>94874546
>more fun to read
>wahh I'm a sore loser but I will get my revenge
>gets his ass kicked
>rinse repeat
Scorpion and Electro were genuine threats in their first appearances and can still be. Macendale's introduction to Spider-Man was him being all talk, being a pathetic coward when Spider-Man shows him what he's made of and being embarrasingly defeated.

And considering that Mackie, the guy who sucked him off the most, couldn't decide whether Macendale was a genuinely pathetic loser or a SUPER-BADASS EX-CIA EX-SPECIAL FORCES MERCENARY who can go toe-to-toe with fucking Moon Knight, it was unbelievably annoying

>>94874656

Anon, calling other villains cowards probably isn't the best way to defend Captain Runsaway.

>I lost a fight to the hero of this book.
>I will get my revenge next time.
>Oh no, I lost again.
>Next time, I'll get you next time.

That's the life story of most career supervillains. That's the formula. If you're complaining about that, superhero comics may not be for you.

And like most career supervillains, Macendale was as formidable and as brave as the story required him to be. The few Jack O'Lantern appearances where he was cowardly are outweighed by issues where he's not, and the one time Mackie wrote him as being easily defeated was obviously done to set up a story where he upgrades his powers.

DeFalco gave him the ex-marine, ex-CIA, mercenary soldier backstory, and DeMatteis gave him a connection to Moon Knight, Mackie didn't just make all of that up.

Can we go back to talking about Norman & Gwen together forever now?

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Will Norman ever be the Iron Patriot again?

>>94874546
You do realize Kingsley had to have ridiculous plot armor because other writers and editorial fucked up the original Hobgoblin mystery and Roger Stern had to fix all of their bullshit, right?

>>94873403
Its like someone started drawing Frasier but forgot what proportions are.

>>94874923
I'm not defending anyone. I'm saying that Kingsley is a shitty villain.
>That's the formula.
That's not the point, retard. The point is that Macendale is consistently a joke and one of the worst goblins out there. And no, running away shitting your pants is very different from retreating most villains (including Kingsley) do.
Besides Kingsley at least has intelligence and charisma. Macendale has fucking nothing beyond boring "so-evil" personality.
>are outweighed by issues where he's not
No, they are not. They only make him seem even more shitty and inconsistent.
>Mackie didn't just make all of that up.
Mackie heavily capitalized on it and took it to retarded extremes. What DeFalco did was nothing but a quick insignificant mentioning.

>>94871775
He should've stayed dead.
He was far more interesting when he wasn't just a cackling one-dimensional villain.

>>94875042
They only fucked it up because Stern left without saying who it was and he told told them to figure it out among themselves when they asked.

>>94874994
Not really. Secret Empire is Dark Reign 2, and he's nowhere to be seen.

>>94875326

Nope. Stern told his editors who the Hobgoblin was (Tom DeFalco). DeFalco didn't buy it so he decided to make the Hobgoblin Richard Fisk and Roderick Kingsley the Rose.

Then Christopher Priest ironically made DeFalco 's life an editorial nightmare and he left the comic leaving Priest to clean up the mess. Priest was like, "Fuck it it's-- oh right I killed Ned. PAD! Fix this!" PAD was like, "Meh I'll connect it all to my big villain in my Spidey comic!"

>>94873354
Does this mean Osborne cucked Spiderman? Does this officially make him the best Spiderman villain?

>>94871775
Who's expecting a retcon into revealing that Norman survive not because "healing factor lol" but rather making a deal with Mephisto.