How come we never got a Magic: The Gathering cartoon?

>>94864845
They probably planned to do one after the movie finally happened but rumor is that's been binned.

>tfw no mtg show animated by trigger set during the brothers war and phyrexian invasion

>>94864845
Ya got a manga and an anime, Duel Masters.

>>94864845
How would this work? Like yu-gi-oh? If its the case, I gladly pass.

>>94864945

The movie's been canceled? Seriously? Does that mean they'll stop pushing the Gatewatch and focusing on the world building, which was always Magic's strong suite?

>>94865225
lolno, teenagers looove the gatewatch and buy all the cards for billions of bucks.

>>94865225
It's only a rumor. They're pulling back on the Gatewatch soon, though, and they'll probably give it up in a couple years after that, same as the weatherlight saga. It's funny how many of the same mistakes they repeated from that.

I'm only here to post:

Chandra a burning cute! Cute!

>>94865041
I member that, never gave it a chance since it obviously came to be cause Yu Gi Oh was successful.

Oldwalkers wouldn't have made for good characters to do a cartoon about because they were pretty much gods.
If you can't do Oldwalkers, characters from a specific plane aren't as good because they're tied to that plane.
The Weatherlight arc started as a way to get around that limitation, but there's only so far that story goes.

Part of The Mending was making it so Newwalkers would be reasonable power levels to act as characters for ongoing stories, and that culminated in the Gatewatch. The issue there is that the Gatewatch has numerous and very vocal detractors, which means a movie or cartoon would launch with a guarantee of having a large enough and loud enough hatedom to potentially damage it. No higher up wants to roll those dice.

>>94865041
>duel masters
fuck,i still have duel master cards. i wonder if they're worth anything.
also don't forget Kaijudo

>>94866253
Maybe if you have the Duel Masters Jace or something.

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>>94865668

>>94866275
>Duel Masters Jace
no clue what that is.

>>94864845

Wizards is incredibly protective of the card game to the point where they probably sue each other.

I think a fantasy action card game where teens are made into planeswalkers while guided by legendary characters. Aim to older kids to teens to twenty somethings and you'd get waves of new players.

But Magic has shown to be unstoppable as a physical card game. I've heard that it's actually gotten more profitable lately. What Magic really needs is an online version that's not shit.

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>>94866323
They printed Jace as a Duel Masters card for a cross-promotional thing.

>>94866362
oh no, i got nothing like that. a lot of commons and some holos

what ever happened to the game? I thought it was popular at one point?

>>94864845
because all men are rapist mysogingerds neocapitalist nazis

>>94865287
>>94866198
aside from them being clown shoes incompetent i didn't think they were that bad in the sense that if i had a group for DnD hand me character sheets of them as DnD chars i'd only throw illaina out or tell her player to rework the character in the opposite direction of "obvious evil necromancer" she is in the actual lore

but i'm speaking as someone who fell out of MTG when the store i went to to play at closed down and got back in around original innistrad and was on & off until return to innistrad when i had a permanent store to play at. so i don't know much about most of them. beyond...

-gideon is wolverine/worf/vegeta of the team (tough guy who gets his ass kicked when they introduce a new character so the audience can see how tough that new character is)

-chandra is the hothead firemage that also doubles as waifubait as seen here >>94866295

-nissa is the token elf member

-illana as i said before is the obvious evil necromancer that could of been a much better character if the went in the opposite direction from her backstory of "failed healer turns to necromancy to bring back a loved one"

-jace is a cuckboy mage that some how ended up as the party face

-nobody cares or talks about tamyio & ajani

-and sorin was probably the best character out of the bunch and he got shat on in the lore the most out of anyone

..is that accurate?

>>94866717
>nobody cares or talks about tamyio

tamiyo's my favorite walker fuck off

>>94866608
It remains very popular.
Check /tg/ and you'll see plenty of threads for it at any given time.

>>94866741
oh? then what happened to all the cards? I haven't seen packs being sold in my local card shops/walmart in years.

>>94866739
i was talking about in lore. she just kinda fucked off after they solved the eldrazi problem on innistrad.

>>94866762
You have to go to a store that specializes in mtg, not just a game store.

>>94866717
>gideon is wolverine/worf/vegeta of the team
No, Gideon is probably the best actual character in the Gatewatch. He's got a ton of survivor's guilt and actual guilt for getting his friends killed in a moment of hubris and it's the driving force behind his heroism and resolve to protect people. He's constantly diving into conflicts he has no personal business being in because he's self-sacrificial to the point of self-flagellation.

He's only recently been rekt in a one-on-one fight, and it was by one of Magic's most powerful and longstanding villains.

>Chandra
More or less.

>Nissa
She's such a tree-hugger that she got kicked out of her own elf-clan because she found it easier to talk to plants than other people. Used to be really racist towards non-elves until WotC realized that was a PR disaster waiting to happen.

>Liliana
More or less.

>Jace
Jace has a problem where he got put into flavortext as a cocky and sarcastic twat, so nobody likes him. Story Jace is a much different and much better character than Flavor Jace, but Flavor Jace is much more visible to the players. It didn't help him to be printed on one of the most powerful Planeswalker cards of all time, since it kind of cemented the idea that WotC was pushing him as "the cool guy".

>Tamiyo and Ajani
That's more or less how WotC treats them. Both are popular to the more involved players, but they test poorly among the average players.

>Sorin
He got royally fucked over because they had to make him retarded for the sake of the plot in Shadows Over Innistrad. Otherwise, he was a more compelling character than anyone in the Gatewatch.

>>94866917
but they still make them? that surprises me.

I would love a competent re-telling of Urza's entire arc. Fuck Jace and Bolas and all those losers.

>>94866762
I don't know where you're at, but it could be that you're not looking hard enough. Every Walmart and Target in my area has a section dedicated to hobby stuff like trading cards, and Magic always gets the most space.

>>94866762
>>94866917
Walmart definitely sells Magic. It's usually kept on an aisle up front by the registers because of how easy it would be to steal otherwise, so you probably won't see it unless you go through the register it's kept next to.

https://www.walmart.com/c/kp/magic-the-gathering-card-decks

>>94866951
>>94866977
I meant Duel Master cards. my walmart always has MTG packs and yugioh/pokemon

>>94866991
Oh, you can understand the confusion with >>94866608 not being a reply to anything. I thought it was just a general question directed at the OP or something.

>>94867006
oh shit, i didn't notice i didn't quote>>94865041

>>94866941
Dude, it's the most popular tcg of all time.

>>94867023
Well, to sort all this out, no, they aren't still making Duel Masters.

They cancelled it in 2006, relaunched it in 2012 rebranded as "Kaijudo", then cancelled it again in 2014.

>>94867055
Don't worry, it was all a misunderstanding. See >>94866991

>>94864845
There's like a million cards.

I always had the idea that they could do a cartoon/anime where the planswakers are losing their powers/growing weaker so they train students to take their place. The main character would probably be a white caster or a blue caster. It's a fucking shit idea but it's generic enough to get some popularity.

>>94866762
They're still around but not as much as they used to be. I think the demographic window is closing. Kids don't care anymore. Pokemon is still hot but I think YGO and magic are going to have to rely on poaching older losers as they ween off other video/board/card games.
Older losers just go to a game store, which makes it bad business for other stores to have MtG in stock.

>>94867158
>the planswakers are losing their powers/growing weaker

They don't really need to do that since The Mending.

>>94867246
Fair enough. When I came up with the idea my Magic knowledge was (still is) poor.

>>94867156
It's only 20-30k and maybe a thousand or two of them are relevant.

>>94867246
Personally I think the mending is kind of retarded. Like, I get that they don't want them to be omnipotent gods, but aren't their abilities, you know, MAGIC? Can't they just learn spells for eternal life, shapeshifting, creating planes, etc?

>>94867244
That's not actually the case. Hasbro's earning reports have shown Magic's still actually running very strong. Market study has shown new player acquisition has gotten a lot higher in recent years too.

After a few sets that sold poorly in 2006 and 2007, they instituted some policies to make sets more friendly to newer players and it started paying off around 2011-2012. They continuously broke their streak of "highest selling set of all time" up through 2016. Some recent sets haven't managed to break the record, but they're still doing significantly better than they were 10 years ago.

>>94866198
>Oldwalkers wouldn't have made for good characters to do a cartoon about because they were pretty much gods.

Isn't it the whole point of M:tG?

Oldwalkers would definitely work by downsizing the battles and powers to reasonable limits, they don't have to always go all out

>>94865041
And right now there's Wizard's Soul which is a pretty solid manga

>>94867369
I'm not discussing intake I'm discussing demographic, tosser. You can get a bigger intake from a smaller demo but I AM asserting that the demo is shrinking

>>94867312
Kind of.
Eternal life is costly, and eternal youth even costlier. They can still do it through a variety of ways, but it isn't just freely given anymore.

As for shapeshifting, it was mentioned that at one point the shapeshifting powers were so overblown that a planeswalker said it would be easier to shapeshift your entire body to be facing the opposite direction than to just physically turn around.

Creating planes doesn't seem to be something that can just be done anymore though.

>>94867392
Yeah, so you're skipping over the part where player acquisition has been increasing. The demographic is widening, not shrinking. Consider how narrow it had been before, with it being pretty much exclusively the "comic shop" crowd.

>>94867374
>Isn't it the whole point of M:tG?
It made for a good gameplay excuse for you being some godlike entity who could call forth all manner of spells and monsters at a moment's notice, but it kind of breaks any attempt at keeping things dramatic.

Imagine a character with all the power of Dr. Manhattan as the main character of Lord of the Rings. You're going to have a hard time feeling any sense of danger or tension when he teleports straight into Mordor and throws the ring in, clocking the entire journey in at about 3.2 seconds.

>>94867429
Player acquisition is not a demographic. Are you using terms you don't understand?
It's more comic shop than ever with all their products retreating from toy sections in retailers. It's becoming exclusively aimed at older players- a shrink in demographic. Even if that means they're hitting that demographic more meaningfully and increasing player acquisition.

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>>94864845
As long as they put in my
edh waifu

>>94865120
I think most people picture a story that follows a planeswalker as they showcase and solve problems on the different planes of the multiverse. Alternatively, Wizards could put out something like >>94864984 and tell a more involved story over an entire season or more.
I personally would like to see a freshly awakened walker traverse the clusterfuck that was the Conflux while trying to figure out how their new powers are supposed to work.

>>94866717
>Nobody talks about Ajani
ill bash ya hed in m8

Are you here, MaRo? We're waiting

>>94867463
Player acquisition has been up across the board, not just in the "comic shop" demo. They've been deliberately charting the increase in non-white players, female players, and younger players, trying to rake in those markets and they've been successful in doing so. They're deliberately trying to break up the image of Magic players as young-adult white men.

>>94867525
>deliberately trying to avoid young, white, comic-shop men
They can deliberately never get another cent from me then. Thank fuck for board games and RL devs who either don't care about that type of shit or who make it for the people that love it and don't begrudge them for being the bed rock of the industry.

>>94867560
Yeah fuck those devs for wanting more people spending money on their game.

>>94867446
Not when they have to fight other godlike entities. New walkers are trash. seeing gods fight each other using thousand year machination was the fucking best. Especially when you see a normal mortal blow them out.

>>94867560
>trying to avoid young, white, comic-shop men

That's not what I said in the slightest. Trying to get new people involved does not mean deliberately trying to get rid of your existing market, it just means trying to make it so your existing market is not presented as your exclusive market. Trying to avoid selling to a demographic would be retarded.

>>94867560
Are you this stupid on purpose?

>>94867369
It's going to crash hard the sets just suck now. They aimed for the HS audience and it's biting them in the ass because magic is boring as fuck. I'm an agro midrange player but fighting combo, control and burn was what made the game interesting. Now that the format is all midrange even new players get board of it quickly. They've also been making retarded decisions like removing fnm promos.

>>94867595
I don't think avoiding demographics is wise, either but there's a difference to demographic expansion and, as you put it, 'deliberately trying to break up the image of magic players'. An image is more than a player base it's the stigma of others and it's the culture of the game. The only way to effectively change an image quickly is to hack away at the existing one.

>>94867446
Urza got btfo by Phyrexia multiple times despite his power and had to embark on a huge conspiracy to win, which still failed to stick

>>94867633
There's a RDW and two control variants in Standard right now. Up until they had to kill them, there had been combo in the form of Marvel and Cat Lady too.

>>94867693
Those are still dumbed down versions of what the game used to be, they have been specifically dumbing down the game and it fucking shows.

>>94867650
Say you have some blue paint. You put in a bit of red paint and swirl it around. You didn't get rid of the blue paint, but if you put enough red paint in, it certainly looks different from what it did before.

Breaking up the image isn't getting rid of the existing players, it's just showing more sides of an expanded playerbase. It's saying "you too can be a part of this" to more people.

>>94867717
To be honest, it would be hard to really sell the idea of old school RDW as something "smart" enough to be dumbed down. There's not a whole lot of interesting gameplay decisions in throwing Goblin Guides and Lighting Bolts at a problem until it goes away.

>>94867730
>you don't get rid of the blue paint
Sure you do it's no longer blue
The difference is you can make an image consisting of multiple colours or you can dilute and pollute the current into something else that no longer holds the same traits it did initially. Colours can compliment or mutually remove each other in lieu of a new thing.

>>94867771
You made the visible aggregate nonblue, but the amount of blue paint you had in the mix never changed.

>>94867805
Indeed but the physical make up of the blue paint as no practical effect and can be made up of any number of paint formula. It is blue for its visible properties not its composition.

>>94867756
I meant more combo and control. Which required thought to deal against. i'm not saying bring cawblade back but there are a lot less deck types. i miss ramp most of all.

>>94867834
You're kind of torturing the analogy here.

The point is to say that putting thing X together with thing Y until you can look at the whole and see both works to change the image, rather than only being able to do it by getting rid of thing X.

The contention was that the only way to change the image was to avoid the contents of the current image, but you can keep the contents of the current image and still change how it's viewed by just adding a bunch of other stuff to it.

>>94864984
I experience true suffering as well, anon

>>94867847
There is admittedly a GR "Ramp into Ulamog" deck. Ulamog's a pretty damn good Ramp finisher even compared to historical contemporaries.

>>94867882
that doesn't matter when ramping is shit and not remotely as viable as it used to be. the modern ramp cards tend to be awful. Also. new ulamog is an accident. just like delver is an accident. just like treasure cruise and that 3 cost vehicle. whenever something unusually powerful it's because magic had poor testers.

>>94867925
I don't think Ceaseless Hunger is an accident in quite the same way Delver or Cruise were. They genuinely didn't understand how powerful those two were, but they definitely set out to make a powerhouse of Ulamog.

>>94867855
>You're kind of torturing the analogy
No I think it's really apt, actually.

Method 1: Destroy the image and replace it with an amalgam

Method 2: Extend the general image and allow different groups and demographics to retain and nurture their own images

>>94867978
>Destroy the image and replace it with an amalgam

The image isn't the contents of the image though. Using the idea of destroying the image to represent "avoiding young, white, comic-shop men" falls apart when you can say that you destroyed the image but didn't remove any of its contents.

>>94868027
Then we arrive back at the paint analogy. Components have no meaningful role past their practical out come, that is, producing the desired colour.
That you have not removed components means nothing if the resulting product has nothing in common to the previous one in practice.

>>94867679
>Urza got btfo by Phyrexia multiple times despite his power and had to embark on a huge conspiracy to win, which still failed to stick

Failed to stick completely to Phyrexia but yawgmoth remains quite dead. Which was the whole point.

Phyrexia is dangerous don't get me wrong, but it was Yawgmoth they were trying to kill.

>>94868077
Exactly. You're getting caught up in the concept of it being paint, rather than just accepting the fact paint is loosely representing a larger concept in the analogy. The idea that the blue paint stops being blue paint if you add other paint to it from a philosophical standpoint is overshooting the entire metaphor to nitpick the details. Treating it as though it's a relevant point of contention is kind of like saying that if you have a group of men and you add one woman to it, the men each individually become less male.

Scrap the paint metaphor if the fact that it's paint seems like the central concept to you. Say instead, you have ping-pong balls. You have 100 white ping-pong balls and you shuffle in 50 balls that are various other colors. You didn't have to take out any of the 100 white balls, but looking at the collection, it appears very different than it did before.

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>>94864845
Because literally no one who's got even the faintest sense of MTG's lore wants more of the fucking Gatewatch.

>>94867771
Not the guy you're talking to, but you sound like the worlds most pathetic neckbeard.
Honestly, you're complaining about woman and blacks playing Magic as though MTG is a sacred safe-space for overweight balding white guys in their late 20s. It's a fucking card game, not a secret club.

I'm telling you this for your own good. Businesses don't care about you; they don't know your name. You don't have a personal relationship with Wizards of the Coast. They were never on your side, so they can not betray you.
When a massive multinational corporation like Hasbro panders towards white 20's nerds, it's not because they respect you, it's because they know they can manipulate you into spending hundreds of dollars on cardboard. Being pandered towards is not a compliment, it's an insult to your individuality and impulse control.
They're not "begrudging" you by targeting multiple demographics, and it's pathetic and utterly naive for you to feel offended.

>>94868146
Except it isn't at all. Some images are contradictory. I've JUST been watching a GDC talk on magic player demographics (this time in regards to mechanics) and they admit two in particular coutner act each other often. They instead make distinct peices to appeal to one OR the other. The designer himself said making cards and mechanics that try to mediate BOTH is a mistake and almost always panned.
The paint analogy is on the money. You just won't admit the point it's making.

>>94868192
>They instead make distinct peices to appeal to one OR the other.

That's not avoiding one or the other though. Continuing on with the idea that an image is not it's contents, then Magic is more than the pieces they make for it. Making it so Magic as a whole has pieces for different people to latch onto isn't making it harder for the original group to latch onto it.

>>94868172
>I'm telling you this for your own good
,':^). Similar to multinat corps people on image boards don't care about each other. You're 'telling me' this for your own satisfaction and it's all the sadder that in order to play down how self fellating your 'dressing down' is that you have to say it wasn't because you wanted to talk shit but for the good of someone else.
Get real faggot.

>pandering isn't a compliment
Nor is it an insult. You could consider it one if you likewise aren't "in control of your impulses" and consider marketing akin to brainwashing. Most people who aren't retarded see it as what it is, a business relationship. Demographics affect products as they are affected. As long as you're willing to drop inferior products over brand loyalty there's no draw back for the consumer.
The entire premise of your argument hinges on how retarded you are and quite frankly you need to stop projecting.

>>94868192
They're doing a pretty shit job of it player turn over is increasing and the secondary market has inflated out of control. they proped up modern so people would move too it when they've played enough standard but refuse to fix the bloated mess it's become. modern masters only makes the issue worse. This is a slow decent but a decent none the less.

>>94868241
And we return to the first point:
>deliberately trying to break up the image of magic players [being..]
This is how you summarised their current goals and direction, not me. Does that appear to be an additive or a detractive approach?

>>94868287
Additive, because why the fuck would a business want a detractive approach, especially when it would be detracting their largest demographic?

Again, this comes back to the idea of the image not being its contents. Seeing the concept of the image as something to be changed while wanting to keep its contents so that a new, larger image can be made from them is perfectly in line with an additive strategy.

>>94868324
We've seen loads of industries cannibalise in the name of creator preference and politics. It's the driving force behind any niche market just the same as it's what drives corps to target broader swathes of demographics.

But it's trying to break up the image. Not expand the image. It's detractive. I wrote another argument of the mechanics of changing identity but I doubt we'll agree. If you have to tear down one to make two I think you've done it wrong. The second should branch off the first. Fucking off your core audience for broad appeal is/or should be suicidal for a company.

>>94868384
>But it's trying to break up the image. Not expand the image. It's detractive.

The image is secondary to the contents of the image. Ultimately, breaking it up and replacing it with a larger image is interchangeable with expanding it. This is just another instance of getting bogged down in wordplay and semantics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9V6oRoutfY

>friday night magic and many casual mtg events are getting older and not bringing in new people.
>people want a different strategy to bring in new players.
>hasbro/wotc is too retarded to actually do anything right

At least at my LGS I don't see any new faces playing MtG. A lot of the young girls, women, and poc are usually playing something else like Cardfight Vanguard or Pokemon.

As far as a MtG cartoon goes what style would fit the show? Who you want to direct it? What should it cover?

Additionally, what references should be put in for older fans that younger and less experienced players wouldn't be able to pick up on?

>>94868486
We had a lot of new people at the Amonkhet prerelease, and some, but fewer at the Hour of Devastation one. "Egypt World" brought people in as a decent hook.

The most new people I'd seen at a prerelease were Innistrad and Theros. It's a lot easier to grab new players with worlds that have some pop culture resonance. Comparatively, Ravnica and Khans got a lot more celebration from the existing fanbase, Ravnica for its history and Khans largely for being the long-awaited Wedge set and having fetches.

>>94866933
honestly of the guys i listed gideon & sorin are probably my favorite of the group.

glad to see i wasn't off with the rest of them. i think my main problem with them is how every plane they visit always get fucked.

innistrad - eldrazi
kaladesh - revolution
amonkeht - nico bolas

i made the DnD analogy because the whole story of the gatewatch just feels like a DnD campaign that went off rails.

is there a good youtube channel that covers the mtg lore. something I can listen to the background.

>>94868560
Yeah, they noticed a lot of that being an issue with the Gatewatch as early as Shadows, but Magic is designed a couple of years down the line, so it's not until we hit Ixalan that we're getting to see them reacting to fan criticism and the focus coming off "The Gatewatch shows up and gets involved in some giant epic confrontation". Dominaria is coming right after Ixalan and will hopefully be a lot more about the plane's history in Magic and rebuilding after the destruction caused by the rifts, instead of some new big calamity kicking up.

>>94868549
>Egypt World
I don't get people who care about the fluff primarily instead of as a secondary or tertiary element.

>>94865287
They already have by having the Gatewatch literally destroyed by Nicol Bolas in less than 25 literal minutes in story time in a "Hour of Devastation" story. He even forces them amongst the planes too.

>>94868560
>>94868594
One speculation with Dominaria on the horizon is that, with the Eldrazi and Bolas having had their turns, it's time to swing back to the Phyrexians, albeit indirectly. Karn returning to Dominaria now that he's free of the Phyrexian influence in order to recuperate and plan makes as much sense as anything for resuming that whole plotline.

>>94868595
For new players, fluff is all they're able to see until they actually get into the game. It's hard to appreciate the mechanical aspects of an expansion for a game you've never played before.

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>tfw no elesh norn porn/hentai where cyber NTR occurs

p.s. if you're not running a jeleva storm edh deck then you need to GET. OUT. ------>

>>94868595
given that most of MTG is usually traditional medieval fantasy seeing something like an "egypt world" or "gothic horror world" is a nice breath of fresh air.

>>94868647
>running """decks"""
I sorry I actually play based on skill and know-how. I draft.

>>94868671
>he doesn't play edh with his friends
lmfao baka desu imo kmt senpai lol

>>94868671
There are still "decks" even in draft. A big part of draft is recognizing when you're in them.

>>94868671
I'd love to try draft again (mainly for conspiracy) but i don't trust any of the draft players at the store i go to in anything but sealed.

>>94868689
EDH is probably the most fun format next to conspiracy, planechase & archenemy

>>94868744
EDH is as broken as Legacy and Vintage if you build the deck broken enough. That's what my playgroup did long ago anyways.

>>94868744
Unstable is probably going to be a wild ride for drafts, since they have to know drafting is going to be the primary way it will be experienced.

>>94868671
>implying luck is a skill

>>94868777
There's a reason professional players win drafts far more often than new players. Luck will only get you so far.

>>94868777
>implying money is a skill

>>94868755
oh i know.

we usually ghettoize those guys to a containment pod on EDH nights.

>>94868756
i feel like unstable is not going to be anywhere near as fun as unglued since i heard they're going to make it the first legal UN set.

part of what made unglued fun was how laughably broken the cards were

>>94868790
that's honestly why i like EDH.

it's possible to win with a preconstructed deck than in other formats

>>94868843
that's just bullshit politics.

>>94865225
Thet announced cutting back on the gatewatch months ago.
They were quite clear that the reason is people did not like them.

Are the MTG comics any good? I like some of the books

Magic has always been not popular enough for a cartoon.

Back in the day when random 20 minute advert cartoons were all over the place Magic was pretty small. Now Magic is bigger but tv channels want stuff with far broader marketing potential.

Also half the shit that original Magic was based on already had cartoons in the years prior to it's release as well as a few with similar themes.

>>94864845
This was one of my first questions when I got into mtg in 2006.

It's probably doable now that it's full on capeshit with Jace &friends. But would still probably go terribly wrong.

>>94868800
>i heard they're going to make it the first legal UN set.

Nope, there's really no way of doing that.
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/162167718643/just-to-be-clear-like-previeous-unsets-unstable

>>94868908
They could pretty easily get a Netflix cartoon going though.

>>94868930

I doubt Hasbro give enough of a fuck.

>>94868878
>not killing the politician first

this is why you suck at EDH

>>94868947
Magic is one of their biggest properties. The issue with a series or movie has always been Magic lacking a main cast more than a lack of interest. If the Gatewatch had tested a little better, we'd probably have the movie and maybe a series right now.

>>94868950
i never got why they had to start with the gatewatch anyway beyond selling new cards.

they could've easily went with urza & friends or the odyssey/onslaught blocks with ixidor & kahmal's shenanigans

>>94868991
They have to pitch the movie to their executives. They try an Urza movie and execs ask why it's not synergizing with the cards they're printing right now.

We already got WIXOSS pal.

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Vess is bess girl

>>94866933
>PR disaster waiting to happen
More like she was unmarketable. No one would care about the hire elf hating on the white Gatewatch. Wizards cared that no one wanted a character, they wanted a waifu.

>Tamiyo and Ajani
Life is suffering.

>he was a more compelling character than anyone in the Gatewatch
True of a lot of nonGatewatxh characters, but especially true for Sorin.

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>>94870113
Ah, Liliana. She shifts randomly from literally the palest person alive to half-black sometimes.

More of that strange oil..it's probably nothing.

>>94870367
I try to keep my fascination with Borg-type assimilaters and my corruption fetish separate, but Phyrexian Oil just calls to me.

>>94869458
Great game, mediocre to shitty show.

>>94868950
And this is the killer. You could easily make a good Magic show, or even a good show about the Gatewatch if given enough creative freedom. But any show would just be a commercial with a TV14 rating at best, and writing that's inoffensive to grade schoolers.

>>94870250
Let's not forget that she's old enough to be a great grandmother, but she has the personality a decision-making skills of the 20-somethings she hangs out with. And she dresses like a backup dancer for a teen pop idol.

I still like her.

>>94864845
Because Wizards hates money as much as the love it.

>>94865120
I hope not. Yu-Gi-Oh worked because it's fun to watch and see all manner of keikaku unfold, despite it being a shit game.

A Magic show would be significantly more boring, assuming it's based on the actual card game. That said, Magic actually has interesting worlds and lore. Imagine a show based on Ravnica with all the guilds and such, or one adapting the stories to Alara or Innistrad blocks. The game's been around for more than two decades, they have plenty of stories to work with.

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If a Magic series were to be made, what archs/worlds would you like to see adapted?
Pic related, because Ravnica is the best plane.

>>94870113
>>94870250
best girl
she's my playmat

>>94864984
You know for a fact that it'll be about Jacetice League since they're pushing those fags so hard despite the hate for them.

>>94871136
But that's not true. Wizards acknowledged that people got sick of the Gatewatch but couldn't do anything about it until this last set since they plan everything out years in advance.

>>94871120
Any standalone arc for Mirroden, Ravnica, Kamigawa, Innistrad, or Lorwyn/Shadowmoore would be cool as 10-20 episode series. Mirroden would be fucking amazing to see animated. And the contrast from painfully bright Lorwyn to colorfully dark Shadowmoore is something I wish Magic art would go back to so an entire series highlighting it would be nice. Just alter a few details so the stories on certain planes flow better as a traditional narrative.
(Ashling is mai waifu.)

Alara and/or Agents of Artiface would be a good entry point for the Nuwalker storylines that all branch off each other. Alara, Agents, Purifying Fire and... Akoum could be the DareDevil, JJ, Cage, IF for Magic before the Zendikar team up. Just find a way to shoehorn Elspeth or Ajani into it, or have original/tangential content between NotAvengers series. Theros, for instance. A Kamigawa-to-Innistrad story to introduce Tamiyo. A story that gives Chandra something interesting to do aside from accidentally break Cthulu free. Etc.

Better yet, an original plane and story that wasn't married to planeswalkers.

>>94866717
>>94866933
How could they let her do that to best boy Sorin?

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>>94872395
forgot pic

YAWGMOTH DID NOTHING WRONG

>>94866717
Shut up man
>Implying not every girl on magic is someone's cardfu
baka anon

>>94868588
bump

>>94868588
Aether hub

I like Gatewatch but they really suck at their jobs.

Stand alone stories about each member would be better than stories about them working as a group.

>>94872689
Hour of Devastation is the last time we'll see them for at least a year. They're also doing a Return to Dominaria so we'll get to see some older characters.

>>94867717
>they have been specifically dumbing down the game
What they've been doing for the past decade is upping the value of creatures relative to spells and pushing midrange as the ideal Goldilocks decktype.

>>94870113
>>94870250
How does someone who's been alive for centuries not know what a mango is?

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>>94872754
>yfw Gix finally emerges from the blind eternities

>>94872676
tyba

>>94872883
I hope this actually happens. Could Gix beat Post Mending Bolas?

>>94874141
I mean, maybe. It's honestly a crap shoot at this point.

>>94867469
Mini Teysa best commander.

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>>94871136
>Jacetice League

Who?

>>94874141
>Bolas and Ugin team up to battle Gix.

I'd watch it and leave a five-star review.

>>94874141
Wasn't Gix a human with no magic abilities?

>>94872862
Sometimes you get hit with a stray Memoricide and someone exiles the concept of mangoes from your brain.

>>94867369
>After a few sets that sold poorly in 2006 and 2007
It's OK anon, you can say it. Coldsnap was fucking stupid. And Time Spiral was BS.

>>94874819
Naw.

Gix was the second in command of Phyrexia and was able to take on the most powerful Old Walkers of all time.

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>>94874751
>can kill 2 T W O manifestations of Blind Eternities
>can imprison the biggest and baddest in a fucking moon
>job to a fucking dragon
BRAVO MARO

>>94876407
Bolas needs his shit pushed in so bad. He is not a compelling villain. He's just annoying.

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>>94864845
>best waifu shitpost
>no true best girl in sight
For shame. Also return to Theros: Rise of white knight fucking when.
While Elspeth is busy being dead and someones stando Gaywatch go to a fucking science fair and job to a dragon.
Also Ajani is a fucking GAY FURRY for abandoning his mission on Theros for a science fair

>>94876407
The Eldrazi were a mistake

>>94876567
She'll return right as Phyrexia begins compleating Theros.

>>94876407
The Eldrazi are raw power, but don't have much in the way of strategy. If you can work around their power, you're good to go.

Bolas is both incredibly powerful and a schemer. They can't beat him in a straight-up fight and they can't outwit him. The only planeswalkers around right now that stand a chance are Karn and Ugin, and Ajani managed to get a win in by summoning Bolas' own spirit to fight himself, but that was under rare circumstances.

>>94868879
People like the Gatewatch, they were just sick of seeing them in EVERY set.

I've only recently gotten back into Magic. Started when Ice Age came out, and petered out around 2002 after I got a job in high school and couldn't make it to the game shop on Friday nights anymore. Haven't gotten into the lore at all, it took me a hot minute to grasp how the planeswalkers work in game, nevermind who the fuck those people are supposed to be in the story. I dug the hell out of the adventures of Gerard and the Weatherlight during the Tempest block, stopped paying attention to Urza's shenanigans during the Urza block, but got back into it for the Psyrexians fucking shit up during the Invasion block. Then... I honestly don't know what happened story wise with Prophecy or whatever the mask expansion was.

>>94870736
That's because she's old and crazy and wants to feel like she's young forever. And if you think you're immortal you'll be a lot more reckless and make shaky decisions. She makes sense to me, an old immortal lady drunk on power and eternal life.

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>>94876970
>whatever the mask expansion was.
That would be either Mercadian Masques, if you mean the name, or Apocalypse, if you mean the set symbol.

Masques was kind of a layover set, with the Weatherlight crew ending up stranded in Mercadia. The Weatherlight is stolen by rebels, and the crew have to get involved in the conflict to get it back. Ultimately they do, and they continue on their merry way.

Apocalypse was part of the Invasion block and the culmination of the Weatherlight saga. Basically, Phyrexia invades Dominaria by forcing Dominaria and Rath to merge together. Team Weatherlight manage to save Dominaria in a blaze of glory, with almost the entire Weatherlight crew ending up dead in the attempt except for Karn, Sisay, Tahngarth, and Squee. Gerrard sacrifices himself and the Weatherlight, ending the Phyrexian invasion by finally killing Yawgmoth. It permanently scars Dominaria, but survival is survival, no matter the cost.

>>94866608
it's still hugely popular and is probably single-highhandedly keeping the majority of Comic book shops that sell it in business

>>94876407
To be fair the dragon is really OP and a troll.
>>94876521
Bolas needs to be wrecked but the question is how?

>>94877759
See >>94866991, they forgot to clarify since they posted in the middle of a tiny little slice of the thread where Duel Masters was being discussed.

>>94877738
>Apocalypse was part of the Invasion block and the culmination of the Weatherlight saga. Basically, Phyrexia invades Dominaria by forcing Dominaria and Rath to merge together. Team Weatherlight manage to save Dominaria in a blaze of glory, with almost the entire Weatherlight crew ending up dead in the attempt except for Karn, Sisay, Tahngarth, and Squee. Gerrard sacrifices himself and the Weatherlight, ending the Phyrexian invasion by finally killing Yawgmoth. It permanently scars Dominaria, but survival is survival, no matter the cost.

Huh, guess I wasn't as into it as I thought, because I don't remember any of that. I remember Ertai going all emo and giving Squee magical immortality for the sole purpose of killing the little bastard over and over.

I feel like Bolas's own hubris is what's going to screw him over eventually.

>>94864845
Terrible game.

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>>94877973
If Phyrexia is your jam, look into the Scars of Mirrodin block.

Because Xantcha's heartstone, a Phyrexian artifact, was used to power Karn, he's unknowingly been leaking the Glistening Oil as he traveled the multiverse, and nowhere could have served as a better incubator for Phyrexia's rebirth than Mirrodin.

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What's your favourite MTG book?
Also what are you hoping for with the new MMORPG?

>>94868110
Yawgmoth was a pain in the ass and STILL wasn't a planeswalker.
Planeswalkers being actual gods only sticks when they create worlds. Other than operating on worlds they have created, they have shown limited agency. Gods in recent blocks have shown even lower expectations, being some powerful creatures.

>>94876962
It's possible to like an idea and then not like it after being exposed to it anon.

>>94879057
>What's your favourite MTG book?
Brother's War felt like an actual pulp fantasy novel, but Chainer's Torment was the most fun book they ever did.

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>MaRo openly admitted they fucked up when they turned Khans of Tarkir into Dragons of Tarkir

Good to know they actually listen to criticism sometimes

>>94881180
I missed that block. Link or esplain?

>>94879057
I have only read Alara Reborn and the Lorwyn-Eventide books. I felt the Lorwyn books were ok except for the 3rd one being just short stories kind of killed the exciting pace they had going. I mean I get that Lorwyn/Shadowmoor are supposed to be the fairy tale plane so short stories fits the bill. But you get the exciting climax of the Great Aurora and then a set of short stories before continuing on in the last book.
Still I liked the characters in it well enough.
Alara Reborn was a fun enough ride, but wasn't that great. I got most of my enjoyment from it just because Alara was one of my favorite blocks.

>>94864845
It would suffer from the same problem Warcraft movies do: It'll only be about white humans, orcs. and dwarves, fuck the other races and species.

Still hoping ONE day to see a tauren chick in a Warcraft movie.

>>94883341
>tfw all that time and money spent on modeling dwarves and Ironforge just so they could hand Lothar a gun for him to use later

>>94881340
>first set sets up some really coll clans, based on Asian cultures
>next two sets shows the destruction of said clans and the once free people being subjugated by tyrannical dragons because fuck it.
>this is all achieved through time travel