Voltron Legendary Defender

>>94864217
We know nothing, we never did.

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/voltron/267024/voltron-why-did-shiro-return-so-quickly

Also after reading this article, does Shiro actually sell that much merch? From what I know of this show's production Season 3 was probably actually written about a year ago, back when Season 1 was just coming out, and AFAIK actual merch for this show didn't come out until a while later, especially Shiro figures.

Just how much control over this show do Montgomery and Dos Santos actually have? I thought one of the advantages of having this show on Netflix was that they had more freedom to do what they wanted with the story since it was less dependent on things like toy sales and immediate viewership numbers compared to network shows.

>>94864330
Actually after rereading the article I guess it confirms whatever happened to Shiro at the end of Season 2 didn't kill him, at least not permanently, and that he was definitely going to come back to the team. So no astral plane shenanigans, and probably no clone subplots either. Shame because as far as Voltron plots go the possible clone stuff is definitely hooking me harder than a lot of the other stuff in the show.

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https://twitter.com/misspoofles/status/900435146725183489

>>94864330
So yeah even before we were worried about season 2, they were already changing things for Shiro.

Maybe the execs anticipated his popularity?

>>94864702
why is purple man so blury

>>94864702
Kek.
Needs one with Keith as the checked out girl, Allura was the cheater, and Lotor as the cucked girl.

>>94864628
People were already speculating about clone subplots when season 1 came out so they could've always planned for it and just repurposed a preexisting idea for an earlier season. Only thing is how it throws off the rest of the team and led to a more slapdash reunion.

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Friendly reminder that it's been confirmed that Eddie Vedder recorded a song that plays during the Voltron finale. It confirms the real Shiro never comes back. (Pic is Kuron)
Listen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXth84G7dkM&feature=youtu.be

>>94864330
>Just how much control over this show do Montgomery and Dos Santos actually have?
They're playing in a sand box. Voltron is not a original show like Avatar or Korra. Yes Lauren and Santos write the story but in the end, DW has to approve of what's written in it. It probably played out like this
>Santos gives the executives the outline to how they'll handle the story
>The executives sees that Shiro won't return for a long time
>They tell Santos to bring Shiro back early
>Santos says OK but why?
>Explain that they'll have Voltron figures for the children and want the paladins to be present in the show
Voltron is not Lauren and Does Santos 'baby.' They just got selected to reboot it along with StudioMir.
>Also after reading this article, does Shiro actually sell that much merch?
We won't ever know, which lions kids buy is never posted. The older fandom prefer Lance so he's the popular one amongst our demographic.

>>94864702
>Who VLD execs want you to write about
>You
>The new storylines you actually want to tell

>>94864904
>The older fandom prefer Lance so he's the popular one amongst our demographic

When you say older who exactly do you mean? Because the older folks that grew up with Voltron don't all like Lance.

>>94864904
>The older fandom prefer Lance so he's the popular one amongst our demographic.
Really? I thought Sven was super popular. Neither Takashi or Ryou had a lot to do in Golion but he made enough of an impression on the original viewers that they gave him a whole bunch of original storylines in the third season even though he wasn't even a pilot anymore.

>>94865001
Original viewers don't know about Ryou or Quiet, at least not in the way they knew Sven.

>>94864330
So in light of them originally planning for Shiro to be gone for most of the series, but the suits wanting him to stick around, the clone plotline is the writers' idea of a workaround. Makes sense, it's not that they wanted but they get to eat their cake and have it too with Kuron.

When is Romelle going to show up? Did they say?

>>94864946
Teenagers, young adults, and adults. At cons there are a lot of Lance lovers and cosplayers, most interviewers let Lauren and Santos know that Lance is their favorite. Lance is Mitch Iverson, Tim Hendrick, Barlee, and Santos's favorite. Lance is the fandoms bicycle and his ships have the most notes/retweets out of any ship that doesn't involve him. Lance is everywhere on social media to the point where anons here even complain about it. I don't think I should mention how crazy the fandom got on his birthday.

Believe it or not anon, anyone who doesn't like Lance are the minority.

>>94865172
I suppose I am that minority then. I still like DotU Lance better than VLD's.

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>>94865001
Sorry for the confusion, by older fandom I mean the viewers who are not the targeted 6-13 year olds.

>>94864330
>I thought one of the advantages of having this show on Netflix was that they had more freedom to do what they wanted with the story since it was less dependent on things like toy sales and immediate viewership numbers compared to network shows.
More freedom ≠ absolute freedom. Just because they are able to push things a bit w/r/t the show's rating and explore themes that wouldn't necessarily fly on cable, doesn't mean they can do whatever the fuck with an IP they don't even own.

>>94865172
A lot of those are teenage girls, and they don't really care about the merch, they just want to self-insert as him in fanfiction. Not the oldfags, who I don't know how they feel about the original pilots but while Lance was probably popular I don't think the execs would've considered him a deal maker.
>>94865215
Same, he's my fave of the original five. Sven is great but he's not in it nearly enough.

>>94865121
I wonder how deep it impacts the plot, since it wasn't part of their original vision, but was also decided on relatively early in development. I hope it's not treated as a stopgap thing as it's one of the most interesting aspects of the plot so far.

>>94865250
>I don't think the execs would've considered him a deal maker.
They'll just keep it into consideration when making merch. We're dollar signs to these people, while the children keep them afloat.

>>94865250
>>94865526
I thought they were going to release merch that was geared towards "older" views, i.e. lion slippers. I want them in every color.

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>>94865526
Aren't cartoon execs usually infamous for only focusing on young boys and ignoring the teenage female demographics because, whether it's a chicken or egg problem, they usually aren't the ones considered responsible for buying the toys or other merch these guys profit off of.
Unless there's a forward-thinking employee who decides to force Lauren to shoehorn a subplot where Lance is transformed into an Altean in the last season so they make millions of Tumblrbux off of selling cosplay kits for it.

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>>94865315
There's some stuff from as far back as S1 that seems to gel with the clone theory, so it seems pretty well integrated. Joachim seemed pretty candid in that interview so I wonder what other things they really wanted but had to leave on the cutting room floor.

Plot stuff I couldn't even begin to speculate about, but I'd put a dollar on them asking to have more blatant homos and getting shut down

>>94865677
Kek, the lion slippers was a guess. They said they were planning on making more women merch so expect Voltron women sized shirts, novels, necklaces, or towels. If we're lucky we'll get the slippers considering there's a Voltron snuggie in the store.

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Friendly reminder that Kuron is literally best boy in the entire series and always will be

>>94865713
>http://amp.denofgeek.com/us/tv/voltron/267022/how-voltron-plans-to-appeal-to-its-female-fanbase
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=od3cjyHctjo

>>94865800
well, i hope they do make slippers for those snuggies.

>>94865882
fuck Kuron, kuronfag! you're lucky that josh said that he wants all Shiro's to be respected.

I can't go against his comment since he obviously cares for the human toilet Kuron.

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I just finished re-watching season 2 and I noticed the animation quality was all over the place. Why is that complaint only for season 3?

>>94864330
>It felt very strange and out of place for a show that had been so well paced up to that point.

Are there people out there that seriously think this? Also, from what I've seen, the reception for S3 has been largely positive (it was honestly the one to finally get me invested in this show when I was just a casual viewer before), yet this article makes it sound like it was the blunder of the century. And I'm not a batshit Shirofag or anything, but I found episode 5 in particular to be one of the most stunning episodes the show has had so far.

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>>94865882
He's literally this show's Poochie

>>94865800
I'd lay down cash for some cute slippers and a nice keychain/phone charm or some shit

>>94865908
>We’re not just a show about punching and kicking and lasers and all that stuff. We do some real character building

lol no they don't. Dos Santos seems a little up his own ass.

>>94866049
The pacing for episode 5 in isolation was fantastic, but it was an island in a sea of rushed pacing. The first three episodes pushed the lion switch too quickly, even though they tried their best to justify it, and the reunion also got glossed over given all the angst over Shiro being gone in the first episode.

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>>94866053
If Poochie were a beautiful maiden in need of love and protecting, maybe.

Pidge a qt

>>94866049
People have pretty wildly varying opinions on stuff or just change their opinion about things after a while. It's almost consensus around here that S2 had terrible pacing but I didn't feel that way about the season at all when I watched it.

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>>94866111
>Haggar/Kuron is now a thing

This is getting a little weird

>>94866049
Yeah the pacing is already probably the biggest issue I've had with the show since the beginning. Intro episode of season 1 was very rushed, Balmera episodes went on way too long. I don't remember that much about Season 2's pacing but the Balmera stuff dragged on too much for a reveal we already knew was going to happen.

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>>94866053
But Poochie wasn't moe.

>>94866131
S2 had a lot of filler, the pacing for S1 was shit IMO.

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>>94866139
Nothing weird about taking on the image of your favorite experiment to fuck your favorite experiment's clone that you probably had a hand in creating.

All I know about this show comes from one of my friends who watched it and now spams nonstop gay porn on twitter.

Is my general understanding correct?

>>94866131
Individual episode pacing of S2 wasn't too bad for the most part but in hindsight to the more tightly focused S3 a lot of it was unnecessary padding and plot couponing that could've been combined into a single episode. The Lance/Hunk mermaid episode should've been folded back into the first one, the Olkari one could've been joined with one of the other episodes like the weblum or giant waterbears, and all the teludav stuff could've been combined into one episode. While having episodes that focused on the paladins actually interacting with each other. Although I'm going to insist on leaving Space Mall alone because that had some good character moments.

>>94866188
You know the my little pony brony culture where they take the kids show too seriously? It's basically that. Voltron is a good show, just stay away from the fandom and these threads.

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>>94865172
>Believe it or not anon, anyone who doesn't like Lance are the minority.
I disliked Lance for basically tumblr reasons(annoying loser who keeps going after girls who don't like him) and was honestly surprised to see all the love he got from that crowd anyway. I've warmed up to him by now but the only thing I like about him is that the show pokes fun at him a lot.

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>>94866088
>The first three episodes pushed the lion switch too quickly,
it felt fine to me, I thought the lions forcing the switches to take place in the middle of a heated battle was a good choice narratively to speed things along. three episodes was half of our mini-season so I'm glad it didn't drag out more.
personally I think one of the biggest issues with the pacing is there's no real sense of how much time is passing between each episode. Josh Keaton mentioned that it could have been "months" between the ending of S2 and the start of S3, and having no indication of that and leaving it ambiguous just throws things off for me.

>>94866188
Before I watched this show I was exposed to a lot fanon stuff so I thought Shiro and Keith were literal brothers, Allura was the mom who gave birth to everyone, Pidge was canonically trans or gay, and Lance was the protagonist.

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>>94866169
This show's worst and most consistent issue is with pacing. It zooms through moments that could be poignant, moments of characters experiencing some emotional depth, while lingering too long on needless filler or making time for lame quips/juvenile humor. I'm not sure if they'll ever fix this or if it's been brought to Lauren/Joaquim's attention. Articles or reviews like >>94864330 that state the show has great pacing probably don't help.

>>94865172
>Believe it or not anon, anyone who doesn't like Lance are the minority.

I don't know how. I'm more than familiar with his character archetype, and usually I like them, but he is fucking insufferable.

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>>94865908
>When asked why the series attracts this level of passion from women, co-executive producer Lauren Montgomery delightfully observes, “they have good taste.”

>>94866305
Fanon made me think Shiro and Keith were related too. I also thought Keith was canonically gay, Allura was a lesbian, and Lance was bisexual. So I thought "No wonder everyone is obsessed with this show and ship Klance so much".

>>94866188
The loudest parts of the fandom are pretty wildly disassociated from the actual show. So no, it is not a gay porn cartoon.

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>>94866305
How this fandom managed to become such a fucking nightmare of trash in record time is still baffling to me. Even in June, the month it was released, it became instant garbage.

>>94864330
It's not Netflix so much as Dreamworks. Netflix probably doesn't give a frogs fat ass about the toy side of it, so long as the ratings are good and they keep getting subscriptions. This all sounds like Dreamworks stepping in.

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>>94866188
Funnily enough, the show has absolutely no gay implications at all. Not even any romance, period.

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>>94866377
>ywn get creative control of a reboot of one of your beloved childhood franchises
>ywn then mold the cast into your perfect harem of 2D fuckbois
Is Lauren living The Dream?

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>>94866377
>this article was posted recently
>after all the bullshit going down with Bex to the piont she was talking about how the staff is aware and sick of the fandom's bullshit

>>94866432
>How Voltron Plans To Appeal To Its Female Fanbase

The answer is fujobait. That's all you fucking need.

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>>94866432
It has a diverse cast of mostly boys, so it attracted tumblr, fujoshits, and an unholy combination of both.

>>94866377
Well the two twinks are pretty shit, but I like everyone else

>>94866470
True, true. Fujobait is what made Gundam Wing the mess that it was.

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>>94866432
>top left and middle Shiros are identical
>"rough" Shiro isn't "the Shiro I want to see"
boo

>>94866489
Would it be fair to call the VLD the Gundam Wing of this generation?

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>>94866455
I hope Kuron turns out to be an android.

>>94866470
I don't care about shipping, just give me more Pidge and the others being all cool and shit, and better mecha fights, interspersed with dat meaty Shiro plot.

>>94866188
My first exposure to Voltron was because this OPM artist I was following posted Shiro with the caption 'Space dad.' I saw Voltron again in /cm/ and asked the anons there if it was a good show and that I really liked the white haired characters design. They quickly told me his name was Shiro, but even then I was wary of Voltron because it was made by the Legend of Korra people and I just knew because of that it would've had a huge tumblr following. During those times I considered tumblr to be pure cancer, it still is.

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>>94866489
>>94866512
At least GW had a lot of homolust between Quatre and Trowa (Duo/Heero will never make sense) to kind of justify the fujobait audience, but Voltron has fucking nothing. I can't think of an equivalent series that has the same level of insane fujoshit audience while having no homolust at all.

>>94866512
For its faults Wing had Treize and some of the most uniformly awesome mecha designs in all of Gundam to the point even the fucking Leos looked amazing so no.

>>94866480
At least the small twink has the strong personality + physical ability, and the tall lanky twink is the emotionally insecure one. Variety!

>>94866562
I'm really looking forward to more of Lotor's freaky comet ship(s), it looked kind of stupid on its own but I loved the way it moved

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>>94866581
I watched this show because of the Avatar staff, being a big MMPRfag and liking what I remembered of the original Voltron, and being a big fag for the Winter Soldier since the original Brubaker days which Shiro reminded me of. Kinda funny how I ended up liking Shiro in his own right, probably even more than Bucky, before the actual Winter Soldier plotlines really started kicking in.

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>>94866585
I guess some of the official art was pretty gay. But yeah, definitely much more than VLD. I think it's just because of the Korrasami entitlement.

>>94866581
>>94866647
My first exposure to Voltron was seeing Shiro art everywhere too. I'm glad he's starting to get new fanart again, guess the well dried up for a while there because he was absent from the show.

>>94866595
wing is what got me hooked on the fujo life and got me into /m/shit but looking back the robots really were the best part of the show
>>94866585
>needing canon bait
this is for weak, low-level fujos

>>94866663
The Bryke curse is going to chase the staff around for the rest of their careers.

>>94866663
>Korrasami entitlement.
It is exactly this. If Bryke weren't such sellout hacks then the shippers wouldn't be this bad. LoK was a mistake. It should never have existed.

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>>94866663
>all this b8ing official art
>Duo ends up knocking up Hilde
>Heero ends up with Relena

1x2 fags were trolled so good.

>>94866663
>Korrasami entitlement.
2bh this kind of ship-related entitlement always existed, Korrasami just made the homo-wanters bold enough to join in.

>>94866689
>wing is what got me hooked on the fujo life

What was your favorite ship anon?

>>94866689
>needing canon bait

Man, you need SOMETHING beyond "omg they looked at each other it's sooooo canon, this show is so gay!! XDD". Voltron has bupkiss.

>>94866751
the first fanfic I ever read was 3x4, but eventually I evolved into a 1x4 and 2x5fag

>>94866745
That's what I meant. They also think that because VLD shares the same staff with LoK then Klance will happen.

>>94866686
I hope you realize I was talking about the S1 days. During those times Shiro art wasn't dwarfed by Lance. Im guessing anon here >>94866188 got exposed to Klance.

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>>94866522
Please, even with Dreamworks' fuckery I'm hoping the writers make a G Gundam out of this and use it as an excuse to launch into some Ghost in the Shell-level shit.

So Kuron, so calm, so oil on a fire, he's so good he's so good he's so good.

>>94866663
Someone needs to redraw this with Keith and Lance. It will match up so perfectly.

>>94866764
Sometimes fabricating the circumstances of a completely insane crackship is a big part of the fun. Lance/Colleen still puts a fucking smile on my face when I think about.

>>94866730
Hilde was a cute. Quatre was my husbando but Duo was my actual fave, I'm glad best boy ended up with best girl.

>>94866811
They got divorced, anon.

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>>94866798
>So Kuron, so calm, so oil on a fire, he's so good he's so good he's so good
>Kuronfag openly fapping

>>94866663
I never paid attention to me so most of the homolust in the show went completely over my head, aside from noticing Quatre acting a bit weird after Trowa's amnesia.
>>94866827
Isn't that from Frozen Teardrop? That shit is fanfic-tier.

>>94866841
Is that Josh Keaton? Sauce?

>>94866782
>splitting up 3x4

Kill yourself.

>>94866794
>I hope you realize I was talking about the S1 days.

So was I.

>>94866841
>anon can't smell the lithium now
It's something humans do~

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>>94866871
>When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things.

>>94866855
Frozen Teardrop may seem fanfic-tier, but it is still official and canon.

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gotta appreciate the kitty

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>>94866885
Goddammit anon, they were meant for each other. Even their literal expies fall in love.

>>94866863
https://mobile.twitter.com/Kiaxet/status/899878153694216193

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>>94866921
>been Keatonfag since the MGS3 days
Oh goddamnit

>>94866936
D-do you want to fuck him anon?

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>>94866976
I'd rather an Ocelot, but sure.

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>>94866798
>If I could just be more human
>I would see every little thing with a gleam in my eye
>If only I was more human
>I'd embrace every single feeling that came in my life

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>has lowest overall stats of all the paladins, only slightly decent in every aspect
>most likely needed to be babied by "mother lion" blue lion according to that interview
>always playing second fiddle to Keith
>gets made fun of by the other paladins for how stupid he is
>can never get a gf
Why did they make Lance such a worst boy?

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>>94866290
>I disliked Lance for basically tumblr reasons(annoying loser who keeps going after girls who don't like him) and was honestly surprised to see all the love he got from that crowd anyway.

It's Drako in Leather Pants syndrome. Lance could turn evil, rape Pidge and Allura, turn to face the screen, tell the audience that a woman's proper place is in the kitchen, and his SJW fangirls would still defend him and say he's homosex for Keith because they think he's hawt.

Imagine if Lance looked like Hunk, how popular do you think he'd be?

>>94865800

>tfw no Allura Daki
>tfw no peanut-butter scented Pidge onahole

Human, space drow, or batcat Keith, which is best?

>>94867180
>leaving out the fact that he's the ugliest out of the whole group and has a chin knife

Even Hunk has bigger/prettier eyes than that beady eyed little fuck.

Why did Kuron's hair grow if he's a clone or a bot?

>>94867241
I'd say batcat but I'm a little bit of a furfag so take my opinion with less than a grain of salt.

>>94867206
It really is weird that Lance turned out to be their self insert out of any character. In a way I understand it but I'm also perplexed at the same time.

>>94867241
All Keiths are kings.

>>94867262

Clones can still grow hair.

>>94867321
I would've expected Pidge to be the self-insert for teenage girls on tumblr, but eh, at least she doesn't have to get ruined by that shit.

>>94866088
Yeah, I think the last of a timeframe between episodes really hurts the show. The thing that stood out to me the most was how in one episode, lotor got the special meteor thing, and then it felt like two days later he'd made a ship out of it. just weird.

>>94867361
Pidge is too smart for being the average tumblr fujos self-insert, Lance makes sense actually.

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>>94867241
Too bad there is zero porn involving batcat version.

>>94866131
I didn't like season 2 much at the time, and I still mostly don't like it, but I do wonder how much switching the episode dumps to 7 eps instead of 13 helps reception of them. Marathoning 5 hours of tv probably throws people off (I know it does that for me)

>>94867361

She's the self-insert for the trannies, genderbenders, and attack helicopters on tumblr.

>>94867381
I mean, Katara was the self insert of these girls in the Avatar days and she was pretty smart.

>>94867241
Batcat, by far.

>>94867383
I like the concept of batcat porn if it means weird junk.

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>>94867262
Clones can grow hair. If anything, the hair length is one of the things that hints towards it not being Shiro. No way was he gone long enough to justify that much hair.

>>94867398
It confuses me that everyone headcanons her as a male to female tranny. I thought they were going to shove the female to male tranny shit on her when the series first dropped.

>>94867395
Season 2 would probably be even more poorly received, since the first half was largely nothing, and the second half was extremely boring for all its Keith focus, although the last two episodes were extremely hype.

>>94867406
You mean like ridged cat dicks?

>>94867400
>Katara was the self insert of these girls in the Avatar days
After all these years I finally understand the appeal of Zutara.

>>94866663
All this Gundam Wing talk has got me thinking what the fandom would be like it aired today.

>>94867442
There are plenty of other reasons, but you're an idiot if it took you this long to figure that one out.

>>94867361
I think she only really works for a subset of girls to relate to-- if nerdy androgyny isn't your style, you're probably not going to see yourself in her so much.

>>94867449
I guess Relena bashing would become unacceptable.

>>94867398
Not really, Lance STILL gets a lot of those kinds of shit. At this point it's all about the self-doubt and who's easiest to turn into Bella Swan because FFXV fandom has a massive problem with being 90% angsty/Sueish Prompto fic since the other characters are aristocrats and therefore hard to relate to despite having much more ficcable personalities.

>>94867400
Yeah but not computer-genius level of smart. The average fujo's knowledge of computer extends to spergposting on the internet.

To be honest though, it seems like the self-insert is usually the character who is babied by everyone or the one who babies everyone.

>>94867449
>heero and relena are gay and lesbian solidarity
>give relena a girlfriend 2k17
>heero is so gay... he doesn't even know what women are

>>94867478
They'd pair her off with Dorothy and pretend to be rabid about loving it while making zero content for it.

>>94867426
Yeah, I'm glad we got it over with quickly 2bh. Now that the writing is improving, drawing it out a half dozen episodes at a time is much more palatable.

>>94867442
OH
I don't personally really understand self insert-type behavior so I always forget that it's a thing. I just ship characters who I think are cute together. This explains a lot.

>>94867341
>>94867410
I was thinking that perhaps Kuron is Shiro and that >>94866522 is >>94867085

Someone said that Shiro now is a sleeper agent. I personally don't like the idea because it implies that black really did sent Shiro into enemy hands after they successfully bonded.

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>>94867480
>because FFXV fandom has a massive problem with being 90% angsty/Sueish Prompto fic since the other characters are aristocrats

>tfw a DQfag and don't have to deal with that SJW nonsense there since the fanbase is filled with people who fap shamelessly fap to all the Japanese porn of the girls

>>94867459
No, I've read the reasons why people liked Zutara(opposites attract, the development they've gotten), but I couldn't really relate to it at all because I never noticed any chemistry. Katara being a self-insert for them just makes more sense to me.

>>94867449
>Relena is adult coded and Heero's mother figure
>1x2 is so pure and wholesome
>Ship Relena with Dorothy or Hilde, you cowards
>There are no straights in Gundam Wing
>I love the way Heero and Duo look at each other!

>>94867520
FFXV fujos aren't all that much in the way of SJWs. They're pretty old-school and the occasional ship discourse is usually more about how shitty Noctis/Luna is (which isn't wrong, also Noctis/Lunafags can be pretty bitchy in their own right) or about Ardyn/Noctis being wrong and abusive when that's why half of its fans ship it in the first place.
Actually the old-schoolness is a big part of why Promptofaggotry is such a big problem, they're still stuck in the 2000s fandom mindset minus the overt misogyny and "Noctis is my kawaii bishie squee~" talk.

>>94867534
And Aang is Bryke's self-insert. It all checks out in the end.

>>94867449
Duo was basically the Lance of the GW era. So much self-insertion and OOC bullshit, it was ridiculous.

Funnily enough, Duo was my favorite, yet I can't stand Lance.

>>94867383
I want to come in his big kitty ears.

>>94867601
I know they admitted to it in the artbooks and interviews but it's pretty obvious within the show itself. That rock unblocking his chakra was such an asspull.

>>94867480
>>94867597
Final Fantasy already reached peak best boy status when they made Zidane, I can't find it in me to care about any of the FFXV faggots. Except Ignis, he's great.

>>94867607
>I can't stand Lance.
Perhaps because this character design is awful?

>>94866803
I'm surprised it's not a thing already.

>>94867601
No wonder Aang is so boring.

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>>94867607
Same dude, Duo was the shit and I wished he was my big bro at the time.

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>>94867607
>Duo was basically the Lance
Sad but true.

Never watched Gundam Wing. Would you guys recommend it?

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>>94867643
Noctis is actually a really swell funny and chill guy and almost at Zidane's level. I'm surprised, I came in expecting to hate him but ended up really loving him to the point he's in my top three FF protags and getting really upset when he died.
And that's ignoring the part where he became Kuron-tier hot at the end.

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>>94867480
So basically, tumblr likes insecure fratboy womanizer trash?

>>94867700
Not really. If I had to recommend a version though I'd suggest the dub mostly out of nostalgia and because it was pretty decent for the time it came out and there's some pretty amusing performances.
>>94867734
Prompto is kind of a huge beta but he's generally a really sweet guy. He deserves better than to be compared to Lance.

>>94867719
why do you keep falling for tragic heroes anon?

>>94867449
>Not making 1x2 canon is homophobia and bad writing.
>I love my space gays!

>>94867748
To be fair to Lance, he is getting better. He was far more tolerable than Keith in S3.

>>94867760
>I love my space gays!
This needs to die. I blame that yaoi starfighter game.

>>94867764
I agree that Lance is improving as a character but I'm also in the minority that likes what they did with Keith in season 3.

>>94867410
>>94867514
I thought of the idea that Kuron might have been the real Shiro all along, having just finally broken out after a year of captivity, while the Shiro we encountered in the first two seasons was the clone, which would be a pretty neat twist, but the big wrench in this theory is the prison identification numbers and the timing of all the stuff about Operation Kuron.

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>>94867764
Keith's worst boy status in the early seasons will serve to make his development look even better when he becomes best boy by the final episode. At least, that's what I'm hoping because I can't stand this guy.

>>94867700
There are some enjoyable aspects but it's very flawed. The obsessive fandom spawned out of shipping and not the show actually being a masterpiece.

>>94867785
I think season 3 has been an improvement for Keith, but he's still my least favorite character. He's just not quite as far behind now as he was before. If they would actually give him interesting relationships with someone besides Shiro it'd go a long way, I think. Season 2 had me thinking they were going that way with him and Allura, but now I'm not so sure.

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>>94867785
Lance and Keith are both clearly entering arcs where they're supposed to grow and become more likeable as characters, but I think Lance is going to become a decent dude before Keith since they're heading towards Lance becoming the levelheaded advisor to Keith's impulsive leadership.

>>94867495
>>94867581
>>94867760
>3x4 officially becomes canon
>1x2 fujos screeching "this isn't the queer representation I wanted!!!" on tumblr

>>94867806
I want it to happen so that my favorite boy doesn't receive so much hate but it's not likely to happen. They'll probably keep him bland and hard to like sadly.
>>94867819
I'm wondering why they dropped the Kallura ball hard for season 3 but maybe they felt stressed for time to introduce both Lotor and Kuron.

>>94867819
Same, but I still think he just feels like the forced shonen protagonist. Even Keith himself doesn't feel like a leader, he's supposed to have potential as one because that's what the typical talented delinquent MC have.

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>>94867700
It's only enjoyable in a "so bad, it's good" kind of way.

Literally all the characters in it are autistic.

Heavyarms is still one of the best Gundams to this day though.

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>>94867751
I actually don't, usually my faves are guys like Joseph Joestar, Balthier or Dunban who have all the plothax in the world. I got truly blindsided by Noctis and I now know that true feeling of suffering.
>>94867819
I feel the exact same way. If they stop trying to shoehorn him into the typical protag position and let him go all out with the crazy like Caim from Drakengard though then I might like him for real.

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What would have to happen for you to drop the show entirely?

>>94867874
>Heavyarms is still one of the best Gundams to this day though
My nigga, I hate most of the Endless Waltz redesigns but Heavyarms is just too good to ruin. All they really did was give it a new paint job and more guns. Also his Endless Duel theme song was the fucking bomb.

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>>94867881
I wouldn't drop the show, but if Shiro's whole arc amounts to him dying I'd lose a lot of confidence in the writing. Not that I have much to begin with, but still.

Voltron's kind of an easy "turn your brain off" consumable show that you can watch without being too terribly invested in, so it'd take a hell of a lot to make me drop it.

>>94867881
They completely shit all over my favorite character to the point of no return

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>>94867881
I mean, if season 3 had been as bad as season 2 I already would have dropped it, so there's that. Other than just overall shit quality, I think if they got rid of Pidge/dramatically reduced her role, they'd have to SIGNIFICANTLY step up every other aspect of the show to keep me watching. She is my very favorite.

>>94867860
I hope Kuron does something interesting but he probably won't -- he'll just be a way to cash cow on Shiro. The Dreamworks execs with their control over the showrunners are gonna botch the fuck out of his. We all thought we would get no Shiro in S3 so the team could develop without him but now they have a clone who will most likely just die before the real one comes back.

>>94867881
If the rest of the show was all elementary school-level garbage like the first half of Season 2.

>>94867881
Their writing pissing me off.
>A character receives development only for it to go away and be forgotten in a new season
>Obvious character favoring
>Retcons

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>>94867877
I think I realized I have a fetish for scruffy looking Asian dudes.

>>94867928
>all those 40 shiros and rei theories btfo

Sad.

>>94867936
For a second I thought you were talking about problems you already had with the show.

>>94867970
What retcons are there so far?

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>>94867877
>and let him go all out with the crazy like Caim from Drakengard

To be fair, you don't really come across many Caim type protagonists in most works of fiction. He's a unique kind of crazy.

>>94867955
Not much of a shirofag myself but that is a criminally underused aesthetic in western media.

If there are any Keithfags lurking who have lewd art requests I'm feeling like drawing him.

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>>94867964
I will never stop believing in 40 Shiros.

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>>94867977
not that anon, but one that really bugs me was Pidge not recognizing Shiro in the first episode, and then more recently, saying he was a legend at their house. And Shiro not recognizing her despite her looking like the spitting image of her brother? I dunno, none of that is that important, but it still bugs the hell out of me all the same.

>>94867928
I think there's still hope for him. The interview makes it sound like the switch was done pretty early on in production, so they probably had time to make it actually good.

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>>94867936
>A character receives development only for it to go away and be forgotten in a new season

Fucking this. What they've done to Hunk is embarrassing.

>A character receives development only for it to go away and be forgotten in a new season
Hunks serious development in S1,Keith maturing and seeing the paladins as family in S2
>Obvious character favoring
Lance. They wrote Keith incompetent so they could put Lance in the spot light. Dumbed down the paladins to show how smart Lotor is.

>>94868016
That bugs me too but it doesn't seem like a retcon, just plain bad writing. I mean, Shiro not recognizing a shorter version of Matt definitely is just bad writing.

>>94868051
Lance has a cancerous fanbase but I don't see they favoring him in the show. He gets shit on by everyone, even the Blue Lion. Even in S3 he gets the spotlight just to prove he's always going to play second fiddle.

>>94867936
>>94868051

>>94868051
I honestly want to know, what development did Hunk really receive in season 1? The whole balmera thing always felt like a waste of time to me and I didn't notice any changes or revelations about his personality.

>>94868053
Yeah, I guess I don't really know where the line is between "retcon" and "the writers forgot"

>>94867964
It happened early enough in the show's writing I can still believe.

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>>94868075
He grew a spine. The first two episodes hammer it in that Hunk is a coward, the balmera thing gave him motivation to fight.

>>94868075
Hunk and Keith both got a little development and bonded in the Weblum episode.

>>94867977
The type of pilot destined for the red lion? It's emphasized in season one that it's more wild and harder to control(obviously meant to be similar to Keith), and prefers a pilot who acts more on instinct. Now it turns out it's more about who's ready to be a right-hand man, considering Alfor and Lance share zero qualities with Keith.

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>>94867904
>All they really did was give it a new paint job and more guns

UNLIMITED GUN WORKS

>>94868111
Keith was always into being Shiro's right-hand man though. I agree the initial description doesn't fit, but Keith's role the first two seasons was definitely being Shiro's right-hand man.

>>94868070
>Joaquim: Lance has the longest arc out of everyone. He's my favorite character.
>*Someone says that Lance won't ever get a girlfriend. Joaquim white knights him*
Like how Anng was Brykes self insert, I'm pretty sure Lance is Joaquim's. And there's nothing wrong with that.

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>>94868002
>that pic has 171 Shiros

Holy shit

>>94867964
They were only ever crack theories. A kid's show like VLD isn't ever going to be that dark or deep. It would be fun though.

>>94868070
>He gets shit on by everyone

See, I can't help but think the writers share the same "muh Langst" kink that his cancerous fandom has.

>>94868124
Yep, and Lance tended to be a bit redblooded and bad tempered in the first season too though it tapered off as the series went on. It feels like they wrote it with the Season 3 traits in mind but tacked on those personality aspects in the first season as a misdirect. But really I think the big problem here is that Season 2 could've been used to bridge that disconnect if they didn't waste it on so much monster-of-the-week crap.

>>94868137
Yeah it's probably going to happen, I just don't see Lance being favored in the show so far. They even have other characters pointing out that he doesn't do anything.

I don't mind what they're doing to him so far though, Lance being less trash is not a bad thing.

>>94868124
I disagree. Keith never did anything 'right hand' to Shiro besides saving him from Zarkon. Keith was quiet and kept to himself, even towards Shiro.

>>94868116
Like something the Orkz would build.

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>>94868157
The 40 Shiros train is not over until the show itself kills it.

>>94867764
Keith going full retard is par course in every season

My only hope is that Allura chooses to give Lance a chance rather than go with this Keith

>>94868111
>It's emphasized in season one that it's more wild and harder to control

Am I the only one who never got the "he's a hotblooded hothead" description he's constantly labelled with? He comes across as bland and basic, if anything. It always seemed like a case of "tell, don't show" in an attempt to make him seem like he has personality.

>>94868204
Lance will get flanderized by writers again while Keith gets the development he needs

>>94867986
True, it's more that Keith's MUH SHIROing wavers the line between annoying and sweet in a twisted kind of way and if they pushed it hard enough it'd actually become pretty entertaining.

>>94868218
Pidge describing him as EMO was more on point.

>>94868204
Allurance bro don't end up like lotllura anon, you're too good for that.

>>94868218
Wholeheartedly agree, this was my main complaint about him in season 1, though ironically after the fact in 3 is probably the one where he showcases that trait of blindly rushing into things the hardest.

>>94868218
I think it's that when he decides on something, he goes all stubborn

Worse, he goes full edgelord and does something monumentally stupid but still sticks with it

>>94868218
Yeah, with you on this. I forget which season it was, but there's a scene where Lance says something like "no don't pick Keith for this, he's a hothead!" after Keith basically never acting like a hothead at any point. The dude's mostly just been written as stubborn.

>>94868259
If anything, the new interview makes it sound more and more like Kuron isa clone after all so they can appease the execs while still maintaining their original plans for Shiro after all.

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>>94868187
O mother dear
Look what you've done
To your forlorn and once beloved son
Why was I born at all?
O mother dear
I'm such a freak
A mutant clone, a human underneath
Why was I born at all?

>>94868218
He was pretty hotheaded for trying to challenge Zarkon 1v1 in the season one finale.

>>94868284
Yeah, I really don't get how people are interpreting it to mean the clone theory has been proven false. Even if he's not a literal clone, that bit with Shiro's "weird headache" is pretty concrete evidence that there's something(probably sinister) going on with him. Ya don't just write in a line like that for no reason.

>>94868278
I can see a point if they talk about him acting on instinct or not thinking his actions through before doing them, which is kind of what they seemed to be moving towards in season 2, but that's not the same as hotheaded, which they kept trying to hammer in the first season. He had his rash side, but in more of a cold-blooded, callous kind of way than what we typically associate with hotbloodedness which tends to be more about boisterousness like Lance has.

>>94868000
How do you feel about harem outfits and implied Zeith, anon.

>>94868327
I think the bigger potential issue is that he's a disposable afterthought and they employed him as a stopgap so they can wrench out some drama before killing him off to make room for the real Shiro's return. Rather than his plotline having being essential to the main plot and "real" Shiro's characterization.
However since people were speculating about clones since season 1 it's possible they always planned for something like this even if not in this fashion, and thus working in Shiro's premature "return" was less painful than it could've been.

>>94868300
What's this a reference to?

>>94867928
This is why I hate Kuron. He's a shitty replacement goldfish. He might only be interesting if he starts having an existential crisis or is evil.

>>94868418
Ghost in the Shell SAC

>>94868369
Implied or full on Zeith? And what kind of harem outfit?

>>94868248
The anon in the last thread was right, Allurancefags are starting to get retarded. I hope no ships become canon in the end.

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>>94868420
You're jumping the gun a little. Like anon said >>94868381 this could've been planned all along, with the execution intended to have happened later in the season.

>>94868420
He's going to do nothing interesting until S6 when he starts doing evil shit so Keith is forced to kill him just before the real Shiro comes back with pregnant waifu Romelle

>>94868442
Most of them are pretty cool, there are just a few who have been bitter and confrontational recently that make the whole bunch seem bad.

>>94864217
I can't stop staring at his white bang, it's awful.

>>94868381
It seems clear to me that Kuron is a shout out to Ryou.

>>94868521
What will happen to Shiro once he comes back? What will 'Ryou' do? One of them will join the resistance with Matt and Romelle, but who?

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>>94867986
>>94868234
To be fair, Caim was sane enough to be disgusted by his sister wanting to fuck him. But then, he's also a psychopathic murderer who falls in love with a dragon.

>>94868514
Please do not bully the Kuron.

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>>94868514
He'd look way better if it was just a bit longer. The lack of fade isn't really a problem.

>>94868548
His bang looks like the twitter logo.

>>94868137
If Lance is Joaquim's favorite character then who the hell is Lauren's? Pidge? Shiro? Coran? Or maybe she doesn't have a favorite?

>>94868540
In a more interesting show, they'd reveal the real Shiro was kerberos Shiro, who has only just been freed by Matt from being used as an experiment by the Galrans. He'd meet the other Paladins and have no fucking clue who any of them besides Keith and Pidge are and would rather not get involved in this Voltron bullshit, preferring to stay with Matt and Romelle. After all the initial mindbreak from the Paladins realizing "their" Shiro has been fake all along, they accept Kuron and keep him as support in their group.

But since this is VLD, Kuron will most likely just die and have the real Shiro show up immediately after.

>>94868562
It's ugly and >>94868566 posting Kuron without his long hair makes me want to kill him. He's so hideous looking.

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>>94868582
Pidge probably, she does like drawing her a lot.

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>>94868566
I-it was just a poorly animated episode, he'll look fine next season.

>>94868582
We don't know. She's never mentioned having a favorite character. She did say she was proud of Pidge so maybe her.

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>>94868596
Do not bully the retarded baby

>>94868582
Probably Romelle. She was her favorite back in the day since Romelle was everyone's favorite.

>>94868603
>>94868612
>Still posting short haired Kuron
Reeeeeeee-

>>94868582
I think Romelle but Lauren can't mention her because she's a spoiler character.

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>>94868603
Even when his face is drawn looking more like original Shiro's his hair still looks off. It's stiff and too short and generally bad.

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>>94868625
Here anon, rest your head on OG Shiro's bosoms.

Also what the fuck is up with Lance's chin, why is it so sharp?

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>>94868645
Realizing that we could've had punished Kuron forever does hurt a lot. What the fuck were they thinking getting rid of this look? Was it just too hard for the animators to maintain? All other long haired characters on the show have static, symmetrical hair after all.

>>94868652
You could literally use Lance's chin to cut a steak

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>>94868645
>>94868652
Did real Shiro always have those stress wrinkles around his eye? I noticed Kuron had them a lot when he was still shaggy but it seems to be sticking after cleaning up. Could be an animator quirk but it seems too consistent and a lot more noticeable than before.

>>94868652
Lance is the worst but they went all out with dorito chins in this show, see >>94866477

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>>94868690
>Kuron is a rapidly aging clone like Snake

It fits.

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>>94868690
>Did real Shiro always have those stress wrinkles around his eye?
Yosh.

>>94868652
>>94868704
>>94868709
He's just so beautiful anons.

>>94868652
Seeing the difference between Shiro and Kuron's chest size just makes me even more disappointed with Kuron.

>>94868688
Dubs confirm.

Fanart of Lance's chin being used to cut steak when?

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>>94868721
And if it turns out he's not a clone, then that means beautiful busty Shiro is gone forever because the artists are hacks.

RIP

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>>94868709
Kinda, but looking through my album of screencaps they're only there some of the time, whereas Kuron's also tend to be deeper, longer, and often appear in multiples, as well as more consistently present, which could be due to him having fewer scenes but otherwise makes me think it's an intentional choice.

It could be either a director's call which is probably the case for shots with Punished Kuron, or part of the style of the individual animator responsible for scenes with JUST Kuron, but since it's extending to multiple scenes across different episodes including Season 4, it could either mean the same animator is working on all those scenes or it's indeed a directing decision.

>>94868435
All Zeiths are good Zeiths, implied or full on, but a harem outfit that looks inspired by Galra design would be good.

>the compilation of Shiro meeting Slav got taken down on YouTube

Anyone else notice how fucking uptight they are when it comes to clips of Voltron on youtube? You can't find anything but the ones Netflix uploaded in June last year, and they're all so short and are of the most boring scenes that they barely even count. Seems like a terrible way to promote a show if you can't even find any clips to give you an idea on what it's like.

>>94868769
Can some anons edit the hair floof to be normal Shiro sized and see if it makes a difference?

>>94868760
This is it. This is the thing that would make me drop the show.

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>>94868884
What if they reveal it's because they suctioned out all his mammary fat to generate the army of properly endowed Shiro clones?

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>>94868652
>Also what the fuck is up with Lance's chin, why is it so sharp?
Its the perfect weapon for piercing the hull of Galra Cruisers

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click image for dumb sheithposter

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When the fuck is this show going to give us canon Shiro feet?

>>94868955
>manbun on Shiro
This is worse than klance

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>>94868906
>lose best Shiro for an army of flat chested Shiros

Not worth it.

>>94868976
Huh, didn't even notice when saving it.

>>94868975
Fuck that, when are we going to see his nipples?

>>94868975
Feels good to be a footfag keithfag, I hope you get your shiro feet by the end of the show.

>>94868987
More like OG Shiro sacrifices his chest to generate a million strong of the large titties.

>>94868995
I wonder if we're getting more keithfeet next season.

>>94868955
Keith will be unable to pilot Black lion because he decided to let Shiro ride his dick cowgirl style the night he got him back and is now a paraplegic from the all the crushing damage caused by Shiro's THICC thighs.

>>94869010
It was worth it.

If you're going to post ships then please keep it /vld/ approved. If you want to just post gay because it's cute then start a thread on /cm/ and go wild.
>>94868987
Those tits.

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>>94869010
This is the Galra's true master plan.

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>>94868996
But Kuron is flat.

The experiment was a failure.

>>94869018
I thought we were running off the idea that Kuron is just OG Shiro post-mastectomy?

>>94869024
Shiro had breast cancer. The Galra were saving his life.

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>>94869018

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>>94869018
I bet they gave him new clothes because the animators grew tired of making sure to detail those titties in every fucking frame and the budget can't cover the effort anymore.

>>94869008
You had a close up with wiggling toes in the actual show. Do you know how many people on /co/ would kill for that of their waifu? Don't be ungrateful.

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https://twitter.com/joshkeaton/status/898558225452195840
breddy gud taste
Also I've had this file named long hairo.jpg in my Voltron folder for over a year now. I'm surprised he didn't just go with the MGS name.

>>94869018
Man, the difference this and >>94868652 is painful.

>>94869035
Maybe they got complaints about the titties from concerned moms.

>>94869040
Christ, I remember this edit from last year. /co/ really does have meme magic.

>>94868652
>the roundness of those heaving titties
Someone milk him fast before it causes him more pains.

>>94869037
How many little girls will grow up to be footfags because of that scene?

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>>94869051
Does this mean the various Kuron tentacoo wape edits will inspire them for seasons 6-8?

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>>94869072
>no pubes

>>94869091
Give me the weekend I'll add that and maybe some other stuff, any ideas?

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>>94869043
Too lewd for a children's show.

Post Lothor

I need Lothor

>>94866290
Well, he is basically Sokka 2.0.

>>94869114
Lotor x Thor?

>>94869116
Sokka is way better.

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>>94869111
When will there be an episode of someone accidentally face planting into Shiro's boobs?

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>>94869051
In the context of making him more like Winter Soldier no less.

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gotta love the mice

>slurp anon and mice anon still going strong

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>>94869111
y/n?

>>94869158
Mouse anon has been with us since S1 and possibly was in the first threads.

RIP gotta love the lice anon.

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>>94869145
>Lance pretends he's fainting in order to faceplant into Allura's breasts
>somehow miscalculates and winds up faceplanting into Shiro's titties instead
>he ends up being more than okay with this

>>94869158
Sweet mice anon has been going strong for over a year now, he will always be with us.

>>94869177
My eyes are still drawn to his tits, so yes.

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>>94869177
No. Beard only works with long hair.

Did anything new happen?

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Obligatory Hunk posting

>>94869226
>he will never be a good character
>he will never get treated with respect

It's not fair.

>>94869212
Interview listed in first few posts plus some interview with Josh Keaton too long for me to listen to in full today.
Aside from that I'm curious as well.

>>94869094
Penis-shaped tentacles, prefferably one rubbing on his armpit.

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>you will never ask Josh Keaton about his thoughts on Shiro's tetons

>>94869252
I think a brave anon with a twitter sock account should ask him what he thinks about Shiro's tits. He probably won't answer it, but will read it.

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>>94869235
He just need to get more plot like Shiro

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>>94868731
>Fanart of Lance's chin being used to cut steak when?

now

>>94866466
Lauren is trying to be nice.

>>94869573
I can't wait for them to monkey's paw this shit with Thace and Ulaz being the word of god LGBT rep after the show's over.

When's the new episode coming?

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>>94869560
nice

>>94869560
Great art, anon!

>>94867383
>Too bad there is zero porn involving batcat version.
Dude, what. There's tons of porn with purpleKeith. Where have you been looking?

>>94869018
>>94868760
>because the artists are hacks.
I miss the boobs too but this would actually be good writing. He lost muscle after being without food and water for who knows long.

>>94868880
This is a general Dreamworks thing, sadly.

>>94869613
Just like my Harry Potter.

>>94869640
October 13th.

Let's make this place lively: What ship triggers your ire the most?

Nightmare mode: No Klance, Sheith or Shallura

>>94871350
Also no Lancelot

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>>94869613
I see galrafags have entered the "bargaining" stage

>>94871350
Allurance