Charlie Cox as Daredevil

For all it's faults in season 2, Daredevil still remains the best Netflix show.

Until Punisher at least.

He's really good desu. My only complaint would be that maybe he moves his head around a lot but I understand he does it to convey that he's listening for movement and stuff like that.

>>94825543
That's actually what made me realize how good an actor he is, he convey's the actual aspect of blindness very well, even in simple things like how he doesn't make eye contact or look where everyone else does unless there's action going on that he can hear like when Elektra showed up in the restaurant and silently stalks in.

Everyone else in that seen is watching her, but Matt and Stick are focused on the area the where the windows were blown in because that was the last big noise

>>94826769
>>94825372

Yeah I agree. He is quite good. It is just his stuff getting dragged down by some dodgy writing effecting his screen time.

>>94825372
Balding

I like this thing... he does when... he's emotional... he pauses and press his lips... together...

>>94825372
he does a really good blind guy stare

>>94825372
>Nobody seems to talk about his performance as Daredevil
We all talked about him when S1 came out. You'd know this if you hadn't just jumped on the bandwagon only now.
>probably because he got upstaged by Vincent D'onofrio
His performance was good for the way the role was written, but it was written with Kingpin as an autistic man baby who was so emotionally unstable that he'd never have been able to run any kind of organization.
>Jon Bernthal
Not actually a great actor. The role was just well-written. The only people who like his actual acting are just the same idiots who think The Walking Dead is good past the second half of Season 2.

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Does anyone else think that Finn Jones was an amazing Iron Fist? Despite the poor story and writing in Iron Fist I thought he did a great job of bringing to life one the of the most underrated heroes.

What does /co/ think of based Finn?

>>94826927
deserved a much better show and production team
i hope Heroes For Hire redeems Iron Fist

This guy is amazing. I can't believe Daredevil finally got a good portrayal with such a good actor. I agree he's mostly underrated outside of /co/

>>94825372
he's great

daredevil season 1 is the best capeshit show we've ever gotten, shame they fucked the costume up originally. His body transformation was pretty impressive too considering he used to be so twinky

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>>94825372
He's acting several levels above fucking Finn Jones, I'll tell you that. What a lackluster performance he's turned in.

>>94826927
A lot of the problems with the character can be directly pinned to Scott Buck, who is now on an Inhumans exile.
He was a lot more enjoyable in Defenders, and hopefully S2 with the new showrunners can shake off all the S1 baggage that was still there in Defenders (no costume, only the one fist, etc.).

>>94827270
Danny was fucking insufferable in the defenders also though

while it could have been partly the writing, Finn's acting is utterly unconvincing, he was definitely the weakest actor in the team, every interaction he had with the other cast members had me cringing

>>94827270
How the fuck does he still get work?

>>94826927
No. He's literally the worst actor on his own show. And the worst part of Defenders.

>>94827299
Weaker than Mike "this is my one and only tone of voice" Colter?

>>94827329
Yes, he's that bad, at least Mike brings an appropriate level of physicality to the role with his build and size (even though I do appreciate Finn has had virtually no time to bulk on muscle mass for IF and Defenders)

Looking forward to IF S2 where we can once and for all acknowledge without a doubt that Finn is absolutely dreadful

>>94825372
All of his quick little smiles are dangerously close to turning me gay.

>>94825372
>Scott Glenn
was great in Daredevil but is shit in Defenders

>>94826927
When does this show turn into irredeemable garbage? I just finished episode 3 and while it's probably the weakest Netflix show it's not that bad it doesn't seem like. Though to be fair, I haven't really read a lot of Iron Fist.

>>94827381
Maybe you just have shit taste.

>>94825372
Cox is a great, great actor. He deserves big screen treatment.

>>94827381
The first 4 or so episodes are probably the best, it just doesn't really improve all that much and Danny doesn't really develop as a character

it gets even more cheesy towards the end though, especially when there's a scene set in """"China"""" which is painfully obviously actually shot in the US. Also, for all of the faults the show has, it is still miles above even the best seasons of Arrow

>>94827392
What's so bad about it then? It's not like I'm in love with it or anything obviously, it's not on a pedestal or anything so I won't be hard to convince. Or do you not have anything to contribute besides a shitpost?
>>94827413
This makes sense. Thanks for the reply, Anon.

anyone else hope that if they merge the cinematic and netflix universes that they keep the actors from the netflix ones?

>>94827413
I found it better in the second half when they stopped spending all their time in board meetings and making jokes about how he doesn't wear shoes.

>>94826927
Ward Meachum is the best thing that happened to the show. Danny is an afterthought

>>94825372
i feel he's consistently the best part of the defenders. his story arc actually progresses everyone's story and actually gets shit solved. dany rand seemed written as an integral part of the story, yet him and his gf slowed everything down to a crawl and never really did anything except pointlessly argue against the group.

jessica jones was almost just along for the ride, didn't contribute much, but she didn't slow things down either.

luke cage was probably the second most entertaining part even though he had zero to do with any of it. but he had a good dynamic with anyone he needed to interact with, great moments with jessica and stick and danny.

it was a bit annoying how unwilling they where to just outright murder members of the hand, seeing as they're all evil as fuck. like they keep being revived just punch their heads off.

also it really makes me wonder how any of the defenders would stack up against the avengers. like would luke be able to handle thor in a fist fight? or would DD be able to survive cap? since they seem to struggle with ninjas yet cap was soloing groups of soldiers all the time.

>>94825372
People talked about him a lot during season 1, but it is like once you acknowledge him there isn't much else to say

>>94827641
he really looks great in the suit now, like idk if they tweaked it a little but he looks a lot cooler.

>>94827656
the suit is the same as the suit he gets in Daredevil s2 I'm fairly sure, which was a big improvement over the suit at the end of season 1, even if it was just little tweaks like changing the faceplate of the helmet, changing the strap colors to red and giving him baggier combat pants and combat boots

>>94827672
he just moved in it a lot better, like he didn't look as stiff.

>>94827684
perhaps they changed the materials up to make it a lot more flexible

>>94827639
Most Avengers could solo the Defenders or the Hand.

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Its not just his acting, even though he's obviously /fit/ he has a certain physical presence to him.

When Stick says Matt is 'the best natural fighter' he has ever trained you accept what he says 100%.

When Iron Fist says 'IM A LIVING WEAPON' you just roll your eyes.

>>94827776
well luke seems like he can at least do some damage if he'd stop being a pacifist giant. like dude a tank but doesn't use it. also he gets thrown around a lot.

i'd expect DD to at least be like black widow and hawkeye level in fighting. but yeah they do seem out of their league.

>>94825372
I think he's really cute in the role and I don't know why.

>>94827808
>'IM A LIVING WEAPON' you just roll your eyes

so much, it's like dude shut up everyone kicks your ass. all that power and he never does shit. like one punch and he's out of juice.

>>94827808
I think that's more the difference between someone you know is a badass praising someone else as a badass and someone constantly tooting their own horn and always getting beaten up.

>>94825478
>Man, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage and Iron Fist and the Defenders sure stunk on ice.
>I can't wait for BASED PUNISHER!

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>>94827852
>That moment in the last episode when he somehow manages to keep the fist glowing while they're fighting a bunch of goons
AWW SHIT, here he comes, time for some kung fu extravaganza where Iron Fist finally gets to be himself and punch all these dudes into the walls
>Proceeds to get beaten up by the goons while the fist is just there, glowing. Nobody even reacts differently when they get hit by it
D-did someone forgot to turn off the special effect or something? How is that even possible?

>>94827372
>That laugh when hearing Jess say 'all these brownstones look alike, right?'

>>94827867
It takes a special kind of idiot to fuck up as simple a concept as the punisher.

>blind lawyer is considerably more fit and athletic than the ultimate martial arts master who trained in isolation for years.

Charlie is the type of excellence that ruins the curve for others.

>>94828023
he had less than 2 months to get into shape for Daredevil S1, too

he got into impressively good shape considering the timeframe, dude must have had to have been at the gym every day whilst filming

>>94828023
well DD has the fighter genes in him. iron fist almost wasn't meant to be a fighter.

>>94828068
he probably looked pretty good even before filming. he's never been like fat or anything. but he actually looked great in that spandex black suit in s1. so that's impressive for 2 months. i hope we get a season 3 or defenders s2 soon, i really like watching him.

>>94827427
The show is alright it just sucks that it was rushed so the actors had no time to prep for fight scenes and we only we're told about cool things Danny has done. Also it should be more about revenge.

There's problems with the show but all the SJW normies gave it bad reviews because Danny wasn't asian

>>94828134
iron fist was sloooooooooooooow, and he was kind of just an idiot through the whole thing. it is the worst of the shows, i'd say agents of shield is better than iron fist.

>>94828106
I read an interview way back when from him saying he was really really skinny before filming, so I think most of it was packed on during those precious few weeks of training, which is really impressive, he also mentioned something about having to get up at 5am every day to get to the gym in time before they had to be shooting and having to do quite grueling ways of training like prowlers etc

Why couldn't they have cast someone as Iron Fist with the same motivation and drive as Cox?

My only issue, and it's so small too, is that his hair in the Defenders didn't have that red tint that he had in his own series. I'm still a little bit irked that he's not a flaming red head but Charlie does a really good job as Matt.

>>94828068
Saw an interview with Charlie Cox and the dude is very dedicated to his craft. He's naturally fit and was probably already as fit as he was in DD s1 even before he was casted. Him and Foggy's actorvwere actually joking about how active he s since Foggy's actor wanted more scenes for him to sit down in while Charlie never sat on anything when it was a day of filming

>>94828153
Everything is better then S1 and Shield's portrayal of Robbie

>>94828186
Nah he was never built before Daredevil, from the horses mouth himself:
>"The truth is, before I did this show, I'd never really been in shape, I never really had a gym membership, and I'd always just occasionally go for a run, that kind of stuff," Cox told Business Insider.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/charlie-coxs-daredevil-workout-2016-3

>>94826769
>even in simple things like how he doesn't make eye contact
Unless he's trying to comfort someone, then he makes a blind man's effort to.

>>94828192
so wait you do like ghost rider or you don't?

>>94826927
>>94827270
He still needs to get some muscle tone though. Just doesn't look like a warrior monk

>>94825478
I have zero faith in Punisher. They fucked up Iron Fist on a level worthy of FOX.

>>94826927
>Can't act
>Zero physique despite being a martial arts master
>Stupid hair

No, he's awful.

>>94827381
Almost right after that, its a nose dive that never comes up, the way shit gets introduced is so bad and the fight scenes are handled so fucking poorly.

>>94827852
You know I will never understand that. If they're wanting to build up Iron Fist as this super badass guy who is unrivaled by almost everyone, how come every mother fucker untrained with a knife can prolong a fight with him and nearly kill him every fight?

>>94828383
You get some stuff with Ward and his dad that are pretty good. But it's a sad day when the main character is one of the least likeable and interesting, and believable portrayals on the cast

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>>94827808
Cox really has the perfect Daredevil build. He's very lean, but has a certain stockiness to him akin to an old school boxer. He isn't going to be a monster like Captain America, but he's also going to be wider than Iron Fist.

>>94826927
He needs better writing before I can judge him fairly. Every scene he's in just has him whining or being a worse fighter than Daredevil.

>>94828419
Once the whole "Its really him!" wears off I found it just to be so god damn dull. Everything moved a snail pace, often things happening that felt mostly unimportant. And even things that are happen so awkwardly its weird.

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>Netflix Daredevil will never be on DVD

Why even live?

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He's pretty much the only thing I liked about the Defenders. The Defenders as a whole was kind of boring but the DD bits managed to keep me invested for a short while.

>>94827209
I thought it was actually kind of funny when Jessica joked about how dumb his costume looked compared to wearing her scarf. And I agree that when he's just wearing something on his head he does look better.

>>94828153
agents of shield is good tho

>>94828740
>was good*
ftfy

They got really fucking obsessed with the Inhumans and talking about not Drumpf for a while.

>>94825372
>because he got upstaged by Vincent D'onofrio
I mean, to be fair, it's Vincent D'onofrio.
And everyone praised Charlie during Season 1, it's just that there are other things to talk about now.
We've all talked at length about how great he is and how great the writing for Daredevil is and how much he's so far above the rest of the cast.

>>94828659
It is on blue ray I think. I could have sworn it was on a shelf at the shops. Of course it is more then a month of Netflix so why bother?

>>94827808
IF sounds like whiny rich kid which he is

>>94828689
Too bad his plot in Defenders was all about Elektra. The best element of your show is intrinsically connected to one of the worst.

>>94828853

That's how good Charlie and Daredevil as a show have been though.

The worst part of the Daredevil show (Elektra arc) is the best part of Defenders.

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Holding on his own against two ancient ninjas while the other super powered is having trouble against a force pushing old lady

>>94828659
https://www.google.com/search?q=daredevil+dvd&oq=daredevil+dvd&aqs=chrome..69i57.4991j0j4&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

>>94828267
Really hated how they went with Robbie and completely butchered his origin and cast

>>94828659
>2017
>DVD

>>94826825
Yes. In the specific example of Defenders, almost all of the problems not related to Finn Jones' acting can be attributed to horrifically bad writing.

>>94829047
i liked how he looked, but yes he's completely different from the comics. he's pretty much not even the same character but just A ghost rider.

still it was one of the best parts of that season, if you don't think about the comics and just think of it as movie verse. which they kind of did with all of the marvel characters.


>>94828659
dude they sell then at wal-mart

>>94826927
He's plain moronic at times, looks suspiciously unfit for someone who was trained by monks after the Hand TOOK EVERYTHING FROM HIM and was upstaged in his show by Ward.

I've got nothing against Finn Jones, but the writing for Danny is atrocious.

>>94828154
>Why couldn't they have cast someone as Iron Fist with the same motivation and drive as Cox?
Iron Fist dude didn't get any training time. Apparently didn't even get proper choreography before fight scenes, just one hour practice. The entire show was just absurdly rushed

>>94829136
Oh the special effects where great but I have no idea why they chose Robbie if they weren't going to do Robbie. They could have just made up their own ghost Rider and nothing would be different

>>94829161
It was more like 15 minutes before the fights

>>94828740
i liked the last season, but these was up and downs with quality and story lines. the inhuman stuff was garbage, those weird inhumans with shit powers was so strange, it felt like joke.

>>94829164
pretty much how i took it, i feel they just wanted a ghost rider and mixed danny ketch and robbie reyes into one guy. with a brief appearance by what i'm guessing was johny blaze.

>>94829161
Finn only had 2 weeks to train, but Charlie Cox had sparsely more than 4 weeks, whilst I can appreciate that's double the time but it's still a pretty small time but he still managed to get buff, and had to train heavily throughout the months it took to shoot the show, no reason why Finn couldn't have done the same

>>94829225
There was a dent in that guy's head so it was Johnny

>>94829161
This doesn't explain his shit acting and "whipser every thing because I'm grim" voice style. Iron Fist is not grim! He's a very relaxed guy. He's not haunted by his parents like Batman ffs.

>>94825372

He really is a great actor, sells every extreme emotion someone going through all these insane moments would experience, like when he says out loud that Stick was killed and dies a little inside but then sucks it up as he still has a job to do.

>>94825372
I love him. He is fantastic. Those moments he isn't looking at the person he is speaking to, but is talking to them like he is, and similar to what you said, his facial expressions using everything but his actual eyeballs which an argument could be made he is using by not using them are all top notch, and he brings something to each scene that Jessica, Luke, and Danny can't even touch.

>>94826860
Noticed it too. I think I enjoy that for reasons I shouldn't. Brb, I need to go confess my sins.

>>94829344
>whipser every thing because I'm grim
I haven't read this thread but you know actors don't make those decisions, right? Marvel TV has shit writers, that is the root of pretty much all their problems.

>>94827376
Be quiet. Scott Glenn is god tier in almost everything he does, and when he isn't he is still better than 90% of the people he shares the screen with.

>>94827602
Might be the most compelling character on a show that gives you every reason to despise him until the very end.

>>94829278
That's a fair argument. I'd like to see how he looks for Iron Fist s2 before I fully give judgement though.

>>94829344
That's true, but we were specifically talking about his physique.

>>94829571
Yeah I love his "staring at nothing" looks. I wonder how long it took to practice that.

>>94827693
>>94827684
It did look more like they used fabric for the "armor plates" instead of stuff that seemed to restrict his movement in S2. It may have been looked to have the same design as the S2 suit, but it really seemed like it was a completely different suit in The Defenders IMO.

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>>94827808
>When Stick says Matt is 'the best natural fighter' he has ever trained you accept what he says 100%.

>When Iron Fist says 'IM A LIVING WEAPON' you just roll your eyes.

>>94829675
I can't really think of many shots that had the suit in good lighting in the Defenders to examine the suit differences. I'd be quite interested in seeing if someone had made a comparison picture of the suits between S1, S2 and Defenders, just out of interest to see whats changed

>>94829768
The one I most distinctly recall is when he intervened in the restaurant while Jessica was trying to exfil Trish during the day. There was a clear shot of his back and it looked much more like layered fabrics of comparable thickness than I recall it appearing in S2.

>>94828334

Even though DD S2 was half a shitshow, every Punisher was pretty great. Episode 3 is the best episode of the entire show in my opinion, they might do some justice to it

>>94829636
Their number one problem, especially with Iron Fist and Defenders is bad writing. A close second is Finn Jones' bad acting.

>Hand plotline is hopefully finished
>Fisk is back for season 3
I dare to hope

>>94829571
>>94829665
he did at least parts of season 1 with blinding contacts, but it was really tedious between takes and shit so he learned from either an acting instructor that specialized in blindness or a blind actor (I forget which)
add to all that his workout routine and he's a very invested actor

I can believe the Iron Fist guy didn't have the time to learn his choreography, but he wasn't even in ninja-monk tier shape in IF and he didn't really seem any better off in Defenders. He should be leaner than Matt, but how about some damn muscle definition on the kid?

>>94825372
His hairline is also ready to retire

I remember when the casting was first announced here and a bunch of gays complained he was unattractive and boring. Nice to see people can appreciate quality. I think he's great. I'm still hoping for IF to have a renaissance in S2 on the level of DD.

>>94830769
Did you even read the thread

>>94829811
DD S2 first half was one of the absolute best live action Marvel things done, but we already know the issues that Netflix will refuse to fix.
>One really long arc that doesn't need to be 13 episodes
>Shoving in characters that really don't need screen time
>Relentless refusal for any comic book outfits or visual cues

Considering how DD is the only good thing Netflix has done and that they completely ruined one of the best characters Marvel has, they are guilty until proven innocent.

>>94831027
Want to just note I'm referring them to ruining Iron Fist.

>>94827808
Cox just nails having a physical yet emotional presence to him. It's like an animal trying to be civil, and it works perfectly.

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>>94830714
Great contribution.

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Luke Cage would be a much more interesting hero if Cottonmouth was still alive and the main villain through the entire season 1.

>>94827226
>pic
I'm confused, can somebody more intelligent than me clarify it? Is it mocking right voters or is it saying that the media only sees the "strong words" in the right voter's mind?

What really sold this for me was the scene after the earthquake, when Matt is trying bandage his hands and has to give up in frustration. That shit was amazing.

Comparatively, when Danny goes to confront the boardroom at Midland Circle it's basically cringeworthy.

Luke and Jessica were not remarkable on either side of the spectrum, they weren't amazing, but they weren't offensively bad either.

>>94825372
He fucking kills it, and looks the part perfectly, also in the terrible spanish dub his voice is absolutely GOAT despite all the other voices being bad

His lawyer scenes are pretty fucking great.

>>94828153
All Netflix shows are slow as fuck tho

>>94831942
>Beats up Kingpin
>"This is my city"
Fucks sake, Ben Affleck got to be Daredevil AND Batman yet Charlie nails the intimidating voice better than him.

Charlie Cox as Batman after Affleck WHEN

>>94828756
>Ghost Rider
Hype as fuck
>LMD
Somehow even better
>Matrix
Completely dropped the ball, but the finale was great

>>94826927
Hated him in Iron Fist, but I think he's improved massively in Defenders. I love his interactions with Luke.

I think the biggest problem is that in Iron Fist he's portrayed as this worldly rich kid, except when they compromise that to make a fish-out-of-water joke. Even when he's thrown into a situation he has no familiarity with, namely corporate business, it's still portrayed as him being the overall wisest person on the board.

In Defenders, it's a lot more consistent that he's idealistic, but somewhat foolish despite his wealth of knowledge in specific areas.

>>94831609

Yeah it totally unbalanced the shows pace but they picked it back up but man Cottonmouth was a great tragic villain when Diamondback was insane.

Why do people act as if it wasnt the best written show among all of the Netflix shows? I mean every character had a presence to them while every other side character in any other show was a whiny bland plot device?

>>94827639
Charlie Cox was good casting in that he just has a generally likeable vibe. And despite being pretty jacked, his face has that vulnerable edge to it that works for the character. He's endearing without trying.

>>94831609
>After that scene with the crown on his head, many different characters stand under the crown but don't line up to it exactly
>At the end of the season Maria replaces it with a different picture and lines up exactly under that one
K I N O

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>>94831615
pretty sure thats a song from Metal Gear Revengeance

>>94826927
I dunno what the fuck is Netflix's problem with him.

He is like that kid who played Aang in Shymalan's Avatar. When he is on screen he is not quite it, but when he is being himself on interviews you know exactly why they picked him.

>>94825372
Charlie is a better actor than most of the movie stars in the MCU so it's a shame they're trying so hard to keep the movies and Netflix utterly separate.