Optimus Crime must be stopped! NO MATTER THE COST!

>>94797470
bayprime gets called out as psychopath

g1 magnus casually blows up planets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1mF2s9zpBE

>>94797538
G1 got really weird after the movie.
>Starscream's ghost
>Headmasters
>Looney Megatron

>>94797590
Insane Galvatron was by far the best thing about the cartoon

>>94797590
>>94797626

insane galvatron in therapy is awesome

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>mfw TFA was the last good TF show

>>94797765
Prime was alright

>>94797765
>TFA
>good

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>>94797470
>Implying he can be stopped

>>94798051
God that looks like trash

>>94797765

Prime was miles better than that crap.

>>94797470
Best fucking Megatron. Geewunners get rekt.

>>94798087
Whoa whoa, cool your shit Boco. Theres a lot I may not like about TFA, but theres plenty to like too. It pulls from several incarnations and tried to be different. Not a fan of their Optimus Prime or some of the non Decepticon villains, but dont sit there and tell me you didnt like Blitzwing or Lugnut

>>94798087
Kill yourself, Boco.

>>94797765
It was the peak of transformers cartoons. The only people who hate it are autists who hate change. You might as well as complain about sonic's blue arms.

>>94798087
kys, Boco.

>>94798166

Lugnut was okay. The rest of the show was just namedropping/milking G1 characters and concepts, with terrible designs, and run by a fat asshole. If you loved it I'm glad, but I just couldn't get into it.

>>94798195

Yes sir...

Optimus Crime is a pretty good name. I like it.

>>94798087
Shut up Boco, you only liked it for the Asian Loli.

>>94798166
>>94798195
>>94798236
Don't respond to that chromosome deprived cretin. It's what he wants.

>>94798270

Who, Miko? Fuck no. Couldn't stand her.

There are far better human girls. In looks, anyway. They're all annoying.

>>94798250
>Milking/namedropping G1
The fuck does that even mean Boco? They pulled from a bunch of shit over the years. Moreover, it was an odd spin on the series considering the war was over and the earth conflict was it starting up again. Also I just said I had mixed feelings about it, not loved. Its literally "not muh" TFs
>>94798286
Its Boco, the one tripfag /co/ is allowed to talk/shit talk to

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>>94797470
>>94798051
#decepticonlivesmatter
#don'tkilldecepticonsjustbecausetheythreatenedtkillyouifyougetinthewayofkillingothersentientlifeforms
>>94798051
>>94797470
>everyone literally asking, why doesn't Optimus just kill Megatron
>everyone literally asking, why doesn't Batman just kill the joker
>imbefore Why doesn't Batman just rape the joker

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>>94798250
>not liking young Optimus
>not liking Ratchet
>not looking Prowl
>not liking Lockdown
>not liking Wreck-Gar

Also, how was Prime any better with it's constant 86 movie quote dropping and episodic McGuffin hunting.

Sorry, I just...I just really, really hate Derrick J. Wyatt.

I'll go now.

>>94798413

Wreck-Gar was a fucking thoughtless pun machine and Lockdown only had his voice going for him, otherwise showed up in retarded episodes, chief among them that crazy bullshit about upgrades that makes no sense in any dramatic form.

TFA was a badly made show, don't let the fact it wasn't as bad as the animes cloud your vision,

>>94798464
>TFA was a badly made show
Yet it's the best TF show

>>94798464
well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

>>94798538
Beast Wars.

>>94798087
The only really good thing about Prime was Knock Out and the Decepticons to a lesser extent. Other than that it was pretty mediocre and formulaic

>>94798599
BW has the second place

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>"DID YOU FORGET WHO I AM"
>decapitates 6 mind controlled, innocent robots with a sword stroke
Retards will defend this

>>94798538

As according to the standards of no one worthwhile. Why, for a show called Animated, it didn't even manage to have decent animation,

>>94798051

Everything about this pisses me off.

>>94798791
t.megatron

>>94798250
>says he is going to kill himself
>never does it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PhbUDp8qxE

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>>94797590
doesn't Starscreams ghost end up in Beast Wars?

>>94798803
I bet you think Fallout 4 is the best of the series because it has the best graphics too, huh?

see that's why your opinion is stupid. because everyone judges everything differently, and most people who like Animated like it for the story. the animation isn't horrible to the point it's unwatchable, so its subjective whether or not its on par with Prime which relied mainly on McGuffins and wasted story arcs which amounted to nothing. Animated's first couple seasons dragged a little at times, but it ultimately all led up to things that mattered in the end and there were basically no loose ends. unlike in Prime where we're told Breakdown has some history with Bulkhead but its used as a plot device for like 1 or 2 episodes and never mentioned again. but the animation in Prime was nice.

>>94799163
Yep. I think he processed Waspinator which is a fandom explanation for his ability to come back to life after being blown up every episode

>>94799578
>wasted story arcs

Remember when Lockdown was Ratchet's nemesis, until they made him a fucking ninja and started having him dry hump Prowl?

>>94799578

Anyone that looks at Animated's story and thinks it was anything other than disappointing is not someone who has any business "judging" anything.

Not even Ratchet's story, arguably the only competent part of the show, manages to get by without the painfully retarded Omega Supreme dilema (why did they build a retarded robot in first place when like three different characters are able to control Omega Supreme as a robot suit? why not just build robot suits to be connected to seasoned warriors that can go straight to combat without the need to be nursed by a teacher?) and that is being generous.

It was ill brained, calling Prime bad, calling any other show bad, won't change that fact.

>>94799701
at least he wasn't killed, then brought back to life, then died again soon after, almost purposely to insult anyone who wanted it to go somewhere. at least he wasn't implied to be suspected of being a turncoat, only to get killed imidnently after, insulting anyone who wanted his character to actually go somewhere.

Lockdown made appearances every now and then, and I agree he wasn't super prominent or added much to the overall story, but at least they made it apparent that was the case, and gave us some decently entertaining episodes at the very least, instead of starting to form story arcs only for them to be literally killed on screen.

remember Starscream's shitty seeker clones in Prime? compare them to Animated Screamer's clones and honestly tell me you think they had more personality and character. that it didn't feel like, "oh hey, this worked in Animated, guess it'll work here, too." "Hey fans who's watched the 86 movie a 100 times already, let's shove more quotes and references down your throat!" "liked beast wars? here's beast hunters!" "Liked Nemesis Prime? Here's one single episode dedicated to a shittier version!"

Yeah, most TF shows are shit. Its just a matter of which one you thinks the least shitty. I admit i like Cybertron, but that's probably only because of nostalgia. I guarantee if I rewatched it right now I'd think, "why the fuck did I ever like this?" Because these are kids shows, dude. there's a reason Power Rangers and Pokemon are still popular franchises despite their original pilot shows being cheesy garbage. you like whatever you hold some nostalgia for. its all subjective. you're basically saying to me, "I like this show's shitty child level storylines slightly more than this one's". only difference is I admit it.

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>>94798891
>still haven't swallowed the baypill

>>94798250
I understand now why people hate you

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Anti-animatedfags have the worst taste

>>94800368
I'd say Animatedfags have the worst taste, but that's because they actually like Wyatt's horrible designs.

>>94800405
show me where uncle Wyatt touched you, anon.

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>>94800405
Animated has the best artstyle of the franchise.

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>>94800498

>>94799163
Yes

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Animated easily had the best Shockwave

>>94800555
The TFA toys really were marvelous. I remember pickin up the deluxe Cybertron OP on a whim and being blown away by the design ingenuity. 2008-2011 (TFA, ROTF, Generations) was truly the golden age of Transformers as a toyline.

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All this fucking "m-muh TFA is bad and Wyatt's art is bad" bait, step it up fags I've seen better bait in a pickle rick thread.

>>94803547
My brother of distant African relations, it had the best bumblebee too

>>94798080
>>94798891
getting mad at this is like getting mad at a David Lynch or Wes Anderson film. You knew damn well what you're getting into when you walk into the theater.

>>94805576
As someone who recently came back to Transformers media after a long absence, I think /co/ massively overrates TFA. That's not bait, that's my honest opinion. It has decent writing, but the animation looks cheap as fuck and Prime looks better, has better character designs and voice acting. I haven't gotten to RiD yet so I can't comment on where that falls.

>>94805576
Was Bumblebee voiced by the guy who done Beastboy in TT

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>>94806474
All fair points anon. I get miffed a bit when I watch Omniverse and Spectacular Spiderman knowing TFA could have looked like that if it had a healthier budget.

Prime looks great and flashy but it had extreme budget cuts too hense the tiny cast, the generic drones, the two flashback episodes, reusing the same mine set 20 times, Breakdown's death and Airachnid's shelving and eventually all the other problems with the plot falling apart mid-season 2

>>94806537
Nah that was someone else, his VA did voice Rook in Omniverse though if you watched that

>>94806582
>Prime looks great and flashy but it had extreme budget cuts too
Yeah, that was fairly obvious and did annoy me. A lot of wasted potential there. With better plots and a bigger budget Prime could have been great, but I still think it's decent. Both Prime and TFA I'd call decent, they just have different upsides and downsides.

>>94806474
TFP had a lot of lost value over the years, abandoning a lot of more interesting story possibilities. Maybe bad story telling, maybe just the struggle with budget, or could be both.

Yet I would give up much to have it back. Far from perfect but so much better than what we have now.

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>all those Prime babies
https://youtu.be/Pt6wzhUsGY8

>>94807241
>Bumblebee is one gay ass character
I know he's taking the piss but I fucking chocked cause its true

>>94806474
>prime
>better character designs

>>94808247
Well TFPs Ratchet looked better than TFA and Knockout was a blast but yeah the rest were just abstractly safe

>>94798104
Eh, he traded never seeming like a coward/a loser for seeming hands-off to the point of laziness.

"Transform and Rise Up" is still a damn good slogan though.

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>>94798087
>relic hunts: the series
>better

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>>94797470
not even the god of death could stop him

>>94808247
>that Starscream
Their designs were distinct, memorable and some I thought suited the characters better than they ever have. In particular I'd be happy to never see Starscream and Soundwave's old designs ever again.

>>94808636
Is this from TF vs GI Joe? Whats going on in pic?

>>94808720
Are you talking about G1, Animated or Prime?

Anyone who can help a TF noob out? So apparently Beast Wars is part of the G1 cartoon continuity, but Optimus Primal is not G1's Optimus Prime, same with BW Megatron. So why are two versions of the same characters in the same universe, and what even happened with G1 Optimus if he's replaced by another by the time of BW?

>>94808724
UM acting like the ferry man of hades (later revealed he was only going to repair OP). but in that series he serves as the god of death.

>>94808854
optimus primal isn't optimus prime same as martin luther king isn't martin luther.
megatron isn't THE megatron (he just took the name for himself for reasons revealed much later).

they never really gave a good reason why cybertronian choose their names/get called as such though.

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>>94808849
Prime. I meant to post this picture but I forgot to attach it.

If people think I'm a pleb so be it. I'm an oldfag who grew up with G1 and love these designs.

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>>94808910

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Preview of Optimus Prime #10

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>>94809082

>>94799578
A damn shame we never got season 4 of Animated. You can tell that they really rushed to tie off the series in the season 3 finale, especially when addressing Sari's character arc. I have no doubt the writers had some grander purpose intended for her given her existence as an arbiter of the Allspark, but instead what we got was a breif, unfulfilling explanation of how she came to be on Earth.

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>>94808918
Only fags and fujos prefer Prime's designs.

TF Prime is average as fuck. It has some good action but man is it outweighed by a whole lot of boring shit. Movie Bumblebee design sucks ass. He looks creepy as shit. And Miko is among the worst human characters in the franchise along with Shia ''HWNDU'' Lebouf, the pedo boyfriend and his ditzy bitch of a gf from AoE, and Kicker.

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>>94809229
>fujos
>preferring TFP designs
Wow I knew they were shit but not this shit, jesus

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>>94798250
I'm not entirely with Boco, but I do have to wonder what made TFA really good. It wasn't forgettable, but I haven't gone back to watch it once I finished the series.

>>94809460
Fujos love the skinny, weak ass Starscream

>>94809525
It was a different take on a familiar theme.

If you dislike TFA you weren't on /co/ when it was airing when we watched it every saturday morning

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>>94809561
But that's every Transformers series. Give me one definitive thing TFA did that made it REALLY stand out from every other TF cartoon.

>>94809617
Optimus/Primes in general are pretty much nobodies due to politics.

>>94809617

It came after bad animes and a movie that made nerds mad, so TFA made nerds not mad.

That is literaly all there is to it, if one stops and looks at it objectively awful writing and frankly garish designs most of the time fall apart.

Good toyline though.

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The only good thing about Animated.

>>94809617
It was a setting where the Autobots had won and the Great War was over - sure BW and nuRiD ostensibly take place in those kinda settings, but neither of them really gets much into world-building beyond the occasional allusion to the gubmint back home. Animated used their version of Autobot society and the war's history to do a post-9/11 take on Transformers, with all the moral ambiguities that entails.

Hell, even in the Detroit setting which got more focus, there was noticeably more world-building than in other TF shows. Sure you have human villains in other TF media, but they're few and far between and usually don't reoccur.

I'd argue Sari Sumdac is unique as far as sidekicks go, but the series ended before her arc got to really pay off.

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>>94809617
>only TF show were the humans/TFs relations make sense.
>the autobots were actually good characters
>non-jobbers Decepticons
>great art

>>94798791
Those guys werent mind controled

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>>94809938
All the transformers working for Quintessa were mind controled, just like Optimus. Megatron even had Quintessa's mark

>>94809525
Animated was one of the first shows since Beast Wars to treat its characters as more than just advertisements for the toyline. Almost every main Autobot got a full character arc and developed throughout the series.

- Optimus went from being a washout space bridge repairbot to the hero of Cybertron and Earth.
- Ratchet confronted his past and eventually reconciled with Arcee.
- Prowl completed his cyber-ninja training and sacrificed himself for Earth.
- Bulkhead turned from a big dumb muscle into a space bridge expert and would've had more development if Season 4 was made.

Bumblebee was probably the only one without any real development (although one could argue the Wasp storyline matured him a bit).

Plus, the Decepticons were outright monsters. Any time they were on screen, they were treated as a damn threat instead of bumbling weekly villains. Even come Season 2 and 3 when they were on screen as long as the Autobots, they didn't just come up with a weekly scheme to destroy them. They were planning and sowing seeds of destruction through Cybertron or Earth.

For most of the show, there's a payoff to watching every episode. Bits and pieces of each episode contributed to an overarching plot that came to fruition in the season finale. It's not like G1 where you can skip almost every other episode and not really miss much information. Of course, this rings more true in Seasons 2 and 3 than the first.

Art style and voice work? Hey, your mileage may vary. I'm a fan of both, personally. Animated had probably the best cartoon-based toyline. All the designs translated beautifully to toys.

>>94799684
>which is a fandom explanation for his ability to come back to life after being blown up every episode
That's bullshit for two reasons:
1) I've never heard this "fandom explanation" before.
2) Waspinator got his shit wrecked and survived before he was possessed, and others went through the same amount of damage as him and survived.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obOyXacQGN4
>official Hasbro youtube channel uploads Beast Wars clip in the wrong aspect ratio
WHY

>>94810051

What the fuck is this asspulling sugarcoating?

Optimus went from a completely alright guy to a hero because Sentinel managed to fuck up so hard he looked good each time, we never see Optimus grow as a leader, the context of the world around he just allows him to behave like how he always has while pretending something is happening. Biggest example because that awful Season 1 finale where the show acts like he is in the wrong for being frustrated that his team mates lied to his face about potentially dangerous enemies being set loose.

Ratchet didn't reconcile with Arcee, Ratchet got to live long enough to have info-dump flashbacks and to see Sari McGuffin Arcee back to health. Hell he knew Arcee for like 2 minutes before Lockdown grabbed her, it is shallow as fuck to pretend they had a connection of meaningful level.

Prowl is true but Bulkhead going from big and dumb to big and dumb but also lol wouldnt it be funny if the dumb one was an engineer isn't character development, it's a contrived skillset to move the plot along.

>>94810003
Infernicus didn't have face markings
>>94810051
Never forget that CN strangled TFA's art budget

>>94809883
>great art
Pffft.

>>94809555
It's more like that Fujos prefer art that doesn't look like hanna-barbera rejects like Wyatt's bullshit.

The man literally can't tell the difference between a finger and a french fry.

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>>94810139
>this shit taste
>this butthurt

>>94810308
Opps, meant for >>94810239

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>>94809617
Three points really.
1) Artstyle, and I'm not talking about looking good or terrible or shit but basically the function. Wyatt and pals designed that shit to be fluid and liberal in motion and basically opened up a whole range of new expressions and movements for transformers that the blocky and hyper realistic ones couldn't do. If the show had more budget the pros of the weird designs would have shown a lot more.
2)Good quality toys compared to the ones released at the time, they even managed to carry over the artstyle.
3)Characters, basically everything >>94810051 said and in addition, each character had clearly behaviours and their own way of dealing with situations. For example in a fight, Bumblebee always made use of his wheels when fighting in robot mode and had a fragile ego that he would try boosting even in the middle of a serious fight. Bulkhead always shook the ground when he moved and while he was kinda smart he was also a super slow thinker, he came across as dumb, destructive and clumsy for not thinking his actions thru properly and causing splash damage.

Prime on the other hand whenever it came to a fight scene and they didn't have the artifact of the week with them it was always shooty shooty punch dropkick flip to solve any problems. The closest it came to personalised ways of dealing with situations was Arcee doing motorbike flipkicks when arriving on a scene and Ratchet fucking whaling on that civilian drone when he toked up on his own steroids.

>>94810139
Think of Bulkhead like a DnD character with high intelligence and low wisdom, he has enough smarts but not enough brain space or common sense to effectively use it,

>>94810139
Compare Optimus in Decepticon Air to any of his season 1 appearances. He's far, far more decisive and proactive by the third season.

They ever do a series where Megatron/the Decepticons are "the good guys"?

likeness/accuracy aside, anyone else think (most of) the animated toys not being able to use 5mm pegs detracted from their play value?

>>94799163
>doesn't Starscreams ghost end up in Beast Wars?
YESSSSSSSSS

And it was fabulous

>>94810383
Animated, but only because every Autobot had "unlikable douche" as a character.

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>>94810383
Bayformers

>>94810383
Shattered Glass TAS when?

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>>94810429
What the fuck are you talking about

>>94810383
>Shattered Glass universe
>any comic arc focusing on Megatron fighting Starscream
>any continuity where the Autobots are guilty of being assholes to Decepticons (which includes Animated, to an extent)

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>>94810383
the victory manga

deathsaurus just wants to get his hot destron wife back (as well as the rest of the destron's familiers).

>>94810363

No. No he is not. Because the first episode of Season 1 has him climbing up a mountain with his axe ready to kick the shit out of Starscream, who is both an unknown threat and wielding the Allspark causing devastation.

He was literally never insecure, at best he learned how to talk back to Sentinel in the Season 2 premiere.

>>94803654
Do you think they're still for sale somewhere at normal prices?

>>94810003
He seems to have willingly joined her to become her herald (or whatever) on Earth, though, yeah, he could be believing it was his choice when under mind fuckery. It can definitely be viewed different ways. For Bay, yeah, I'm sure it's meant to be 100% villainous. Personally I viewed it as an interesting combination since Megatron is technically trying to kill Unicron, so he's arguably in the right (though there is HUGE room between the genocide of all the humans to accomplish this plus ... is Unicron even waking up? His horns are doing shit but ... why? Doesn't help that we have no clue what the fuck Unicron is like or what he's even done in Bayformers, though it's a safe bet he'll be robot satan). I considered his greater motivation for joining, in my view, is just to spite Optimus.

"See? I can be the great destroyer you failed at being! I'm totally cool now, please respond to my sexts!"

So, when the new show starts?

>>94810796
>he could be believing it was his choice when under mind fuckery
This is what happened to Optimus
>I FIGHT FOR MY PLANET!
>FOR MY WORLD TO LIVE YOURS MUST BE DIE

>>94810630
>complaining that the hero is heroic in a hero's journey
I guess Luke Skywalker didn't have a character arc after all because the first movie ends with him flying into space to blow the shit out of the Death Star.

He was never insecure, at best he learned not to talk back to Han after he saved his ass.

>>94810659
It's easy enough to get your hand on most Animated stuff. Maybe not quite ten dollars for a mint on card deluxe, but not too bad a markup. Generations are more expensive on average cause GEEWUN. No idea on ROTF.

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>>94798051
The absurdity of this is amazing.

>>94809113
>little question mark above Starscream's head
If I wanted shitty visual cues, I'd go to /a/

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Did ROTF have the most brutal Optimus kills? He split the head of a Decepticon in two while he screamed in pain, and flayed the Fallen's face off before punching through his back.

>>94810967
The problem, for whatever it is worth, is that Optimus sounded more mind-fucked while Megatron seemed pretty damn pleased with himself. Now if this were any usual Megatron we could say that he'd never be so happy to serve another...only he was more than happy to bend his knee to The Fallen. Slightly less to Sentinel though it took a human calling him out before he acted.

Another factor is...yeah, no way Bay views Megatron as a hero. The problem with THAT is Bay's view of what a hero is like is completely warped.

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>>94811169

>>94812234
Kek

>>94811106
I always just bought my toys in the store.
So do I look for them on amazon or are there special sites?

>>94811724
>is that Optimus sounded more mind-fucked
He sounded like normal Optimus. Remember AoE?
>"YOU WILL HELP ME OR I WILL KILL YOU"

>>94799578
>which relied mainly on McGuffins and wasted story arcs
Nigga, that's pretty much EVERY TF media since the beginning.

>>94813685
That's an exaggeration of what really happened.

>>94814099
No this anon>>94813685 is right, Optimus is a complete psycho in these movies, especially AoE. He literally threatened Grimlock with a sword to his neck making the Dinobots help after just escaping Lockdown's ship

>>94800247

I'd rather choke on your father's limp dick than watch a Michael Bay film.

>>94814160
To be fair, it's not exactly a bad idea; having Optimus become embittered from the years of war, especially after the loss of Cybertron.

Problem is, he was pretty much business as usual in the first film, and since has fluctuated between being "We are better than the Decepticons!" to "Give me your face!" with roughly everyone.

>>94814160
The Bayverse Dinobots are barbarian warriors. Optimus earned their respect by beating Grimlock.

>>94814163
Damn, what a badass you are.

>>94814163
Settle down, kiddo.

>>94799163
GhostStarscream is best Starscream.

Crossing my fingers that IDW will keep his immortal spark. It's too much fun.

>>94810599

And he somehow never brought it up to the Autobots, even though he must have been aware they were goody two-shoes.

>>94811169

I still think DOTM takes it for him shooting and killing both his arch-rival and his old mentor in the space of a minute.

>>94814285
Look do as many mental gymnastics as you want, Bay Optimus was a fucking monster and borderline edgelord

>>94811169
He's pretty brutal in every film from the second on. Hell, the fourth movie he roasts a human without even thinking, despite Primes in the past being all but sickened by the idea of hurting a human.

>>94814160
For funsies, compare the body counts of Optimus and Megatron.

>>94814844
How in the fuck was pointing out the logic of that scene in any mental gymnastics?

Doea hasbro even care for Trasntech anymore?

Last year was the fucking 20th anniversary

>>94814923
>does Hasbro even care about a cancelled toyline anymore?

>>94814903
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DU7Lig3B-E
>"You defend my family, or die"
Oh yeah, really the Optimus Prime people love. This wasnt some honor code shit, this was Optimus doing the old "you're with us or against us" nonsense.

>>94815032
Because that's how the Dinobots roll.

>>94814878
To be fair, he outright states that so was he, but humans pushed him too far.

>>94814956

muh master piece

>>94815032
Still doesn't change the fact that he was beating on Grimlock to gain leadership, you nitwit.

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>>94815900

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>>94815936

>>94797590
Don't forget Zombie prime and Ironhide's corpse falling over Daniel in the mausoleum.

That chapter made me chilli out.

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>>94815964

>>94814923
ITs a shame we never got Transtech. I think the next step in the whole Techno-organic thing was to make the Transformers themselves a wholly technoorganic creature, not necessarily taking a genetic template from a beast. I think the Beast Machines designs rubbed people wrong because they were too animal-like; where as Transtech was more Guyver. But I'm fond of Biomecha in general, so I'm biased.

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I asked this in a Transformers thread yesterday but the thread was on its way out at the time - As someone new to the comics, if I buy this complete Humble Bundle for $25: https://www.humblebundle.com/books/transformers-vs-gi-joe-comics will I have most of the IDW comics up to date?

>>94810990

Luke goes from a boy that can't swing a sword properly to a scarred rebel to facing heartbreak and defeat at the hands of Darth Vader to finally having his ultimate triumph and test in the final movie.

Logical if basic progression.

TFA Optimus goes from the guy who is completely fine to the guy who is completely fine and yells at Sentinel to shut up to the guy who is completely fine and... learned how to use a jetpack?

There is no fucking progression felt, at any point. "Maybe Ultra Magnus was right... I'm not cut out to be a leader..." is a line that brings back how stupid that entire Season 1 finale drama is, because he's behaving the same he always has except for minor frustration at actual insubordination from people that SHOULD know better and because he didn't trust the allspark key with a kid that consistently fucked up? Even though Blitzwing would've stolen that thing from Sari just as easily as he stole it from Ratchet so there is no "lesson" for him to organically learn?

And so on and so on, TFA is devoid of bare logic and basic writing beats. Saying it's well done is spitting in the face of reason and of shows that actualy put effort into their craft.

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>>94816876
>TFA Optimus goes from the guy who is completely fine to the guy who is completely fine and yells at Sentinel to shut up to the guy who is completely fine and... learned how to use a jetpack?
Nigga he had self esteem issues up the ass this is weak ass bait

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>people defending Bay Optimus

>>94813210
I'd go Ebay to see what you can get for cheap.

>>94816250
Everything from the $15 tier upwards is what you should look for. The IDW Collection Volumes, including the Phase 2 volumes.

>>94818822
Prowl was right about NAILS.

Fuck all of them.

>>94809738
What part of starscream YOU are?

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>>94807613
For most of the characters I prefer prime but animated bee is the only good bee and is miles better then 'boop boop' shit

animated is the only series where the autobots are more interesting than the decepticons desu

>>94798087
>Transformers: Convenient Asspulls and Ancient Artifacts Everywhere
>better than TFA

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>>94803654
>2008-2011 (TFA, ROTF, Generations) was truly the golden age of Transformers as a toyline
Damn right. Terradive, Skyhammer, and Rodimus Minor were my favorite from those years.

>>94798051
PRIME
OF
MURDER

>>94798087
Fuck you Boco,die already you waste of flesh

>>94815877
>>94815900
>>94815936
>>94815964

I hate Rom on its own, but the first issue of Rom vs TF was surprisingly good.

>>94803654
Nah, plenty of shit was ruined by a needless complex for complexity's sake design mentality. And the stuff that wasn't was plagued with awful fall apart joints.

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I miss fun Blurr. Now we just have boring IDW Blurr.

>>94824874
Blurr's death was delightfully brutal, really made Shockwave seem crueler also

>>94810939
You'll have to wait for the old one to end first.