/co/'s Unpopular Opinions

>Jeph Loeb is my favorite writer
>The first thing I read of his was The Ultimates 3 and instantly fell in love
>I've never disliked anything he's done
>I've was upset when he became Marvel TV head because, while happy for him, I knew he'd be writing less
>the dude is just genuinely funny and charming
>he's also a continuity nut which I enjoy
>I bought every cover of his entire Nova run
>he gets a bad rap despite having at least one of his works making a top 5 list for various popular characters

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Joe Casey is my favorite Superman writer. I feel confident that /co/ wouldn't put him in anyone's top ten list, but his run on Adventures of Superman #612-623 made a believer out of me. It's the set of issues where Superman is pacifist and manages to solve all of his conflicts without throwing a single punch.

>>94791840
I like you. I've read interviews with Loeb where he talks about his setup and writing dialog and it was a treat. And regardless of what anyone says, he has contributed some genuinely astounding stories.
>Spider-Man : Blue
>Daredevil : Yellow
>Hulk : Gray
>Captain America : White
>Batman - The Long Halloweed & Dark Victory.
>Superman for all Seasons
>I enjoy Ultimates 3 as well. Not my favorite out of the bunch but he brought an entirerly different tone from Millar which I thought was pretty cool.

>>94791706
Everything you've said is incorrect but I respect your opinion and your courage to say it

Grant Morrison has written two and a half good titles, and the half has been ruined retroactively because he kept rewriting it over and over for decades.

>>94791706
>>94792079
Storytimers should be seen, not heard.

I don't mind the name Shazam at all.

>>94792079
Not that the writing is bad but I think that a lot what makes most of the color series good is tim sale, their batman stuff also

Hitman is Ennis's only good cape book. The Section 8 minis were bad.

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I consider Spider-Man The ANimated Series to be in the same league as Spectacular Spider-Man. I recently took a look at the censorship they had to work under and the fact that they still managed to create the show floors me. I never picked up on any of this as a kid but going back now, the people that made the show are some of the most creative individuals on the planet. I've listed the censors below

>No use of words like “death,” “die”, “kill”
They got around this by using the phrase, finish or obliterate. Kids knew what was happening.

>No blood/killing/injuries or deaths caused by violence
But it's completely okay to have a character kill themselves by jumping into a portal that destroys them.

>No use of the word “sinister”
They got around this by naming the team, the Insidious Six.

>No guns with bullets
Lasers lasers and more lasers.

>No real vampires
Don't exactly get this one. If anything making Morbius a student transformed into a monster and draining blood view his hands is far more terrifying.

>No punching
Batman was allowed to wallop criminals in teh animated Series but Spider-Man wasn't allowed to lay his fists on them.However, he was allowed to crush their wrists via his super strength and then throw them out of a church belltower to their death. Or having someone dissipate into nothingness.

>No breaking glass
I wonder how this was a problem.

>No hurting pigeons
This one is hilarious and I doubt it would have ever come up.


>>94792136
I appreciate you responding without calling me a shill, cuck, or some other derogatory term. Thanks man.

>>94792209
This isn't a storytime.

Samurai jack season 5 was great
Spider-man 2099's original costume is a hot mess, and while the new one isn't great, it's still better.

Invincible is the only good Capeshit comic.

Red Son is nowhere near Millar's best comic

>>94792378
>This isn't a storytime.
Yes, but I could recognize your shitty taste anywhere.

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Frank Miller's Batman Epic rivals Morrison's.


>>94792166
What would you consider to be his good titles used as the basis for later titles.

>>94792258
I do miss Captain Marvel but I'm okay with Shazam

>>94792434
What would you say is his best?

>>94792541
lol

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Before Watchmen was actually pretty good and a nice edition to the Watchmen Universe. Not every title sticks the landing but the good to shit ratio is skewed in its favor. Favorite of the collection would be Darwyn Cooke's set of stories (Minuteman and Silk Spectre)

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I don't there is a problem with race changing characters in adaptations. What I mean by this is, if an actor or actress is cast to play a character whose race is different from their's, it does not mean that the character itself will become changed in the source material. It's an adaptation — of course it will be different from the source material. And it seems odd to me that people, especially people on here, cared so much about Iron Fist staying white in his Netflix adaptation, but could care less about his characterization. Danny from the comics is absolutely nothing like the Danny we see in the Netflix series and yet, I see no one complain about that.

In any case, I feel that, as long as the actor or actress can portray the character in an excellent way that still resembles the character in the source material, then it's acceptable, for example: Idris Elba playing Heimdall. Finn Jones, who may be the same race as Danny, did not do a good job at portraying him in my opinion. If I was given the option between Jones and Iko Uwais, I would pick the latter (granted, I don't even know if he can speak English, but you get my point).

Also, I think Bart Allen should be gay and get a cute boyfriend.

>>94792541
Why was I not added then

>>94792434
It's not even a good comic, so I agree.

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The Batman Arkham Universe is one of my favorite iterations of the Dark Knight. It had a clear beginning, middle, and end and something about a finite story speaks to me (probably why I love Invincible). Bruce is portrayed as an extremely flawed individual and people call him out on it rather than just taking it. The character designs have a unique mix of classic source material and entirely new designs. ALso I consider the Arkham Knight to be the best backstory for Jason Todd. It gave a clear motivation for Jason's hatred of Bruce and being the Joker's prisoner for more than a year explains how he got so damaged.

>>94792684
Who would you ship him with? I loved him and Blue Beetle in Young Justice but I'm not sure of his sexual orientation in the current series.

>>94791706

How do you explain a shit comic like Wanted then?

FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT THE NAMEFAG FORMERLY KNOWN AS PROFESSORBRO IS A FALSE FLAGGING EDGELORD TROLL WHO SHOULD BE IGNORED AT ALL COSTS

>>94792930
My shitty OC.

>>94793001
>Wanted
>shit

>>94793108
I haven't seen him in ages, what the fuck happened?

>>94793165
He's the OP of this thread.

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>>94793001
I really like Wanted lol. It's over the top, edgy, offensive, all the characters are monsters, but the series is not meant to be taken seriously and I don't. It's just stupid fun and the art is pretty cool. Also, now that Millar has constructed his own Millarverse it's neat to see how it all fits together. I'm not sure which anon it was but they provided a pretty cool explanation on how it all fits together. I think it went something like

Universe 1
Jupiter's Circle, Chosen, Unfunnies, Wanted, Kick-Ass, Marvel 1985, Nemesis, MPH, Superior, and Secret Service

Universe 2
Jupiter's Circle, Jupiter's Legacy, Supercrooks

All that said, I more than understand why it puts some people off and I'm not ever going to try and sway them.

>>94793108
lol

>>94793208
FUCK OFF!!!

>>94793208
Why is Jupiter's Circle in two universes?

>>94793288
The magic spell didn't happen until 1985

>>94793108
>>94793235
what's this faggot talking about?
I remember the professor being a good guy

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Dan Slott is actually a really capable but he's gone so fucking lazy it's almost like he's a completely different person. I would have never in a million years guessed he was the guy that wrote Akham Asylum: Living Hell. I also enjoyed his She-Hulk run and his run on Mighty Avengers but the second he got a hold on Spider-Man, something changed and I can't really pinpoint what. His dialog is off, his pacing is terrible, and while his stories are neat with regard to plot, the execution blows.

>>94793235
lol

>>94793288
What this anon said >>94793299. There's one timeline where the Jupiter's Circle characters were killed off during the supervillain siege and another where the siege never happened and it logically progressed to Jupiter's Legacy and Supercrooks.

>>94792684
>Danny from the comics is absolutely nothing like the Danny we see in the Netflix series and yet, I see no one complain about that.

Then you're either blind, or you've been ignoring a sizable amount of posts. Or maybe not around when Iron Fist first dropped. Finn Jones was absolutely shit on. I'm pretty sure even normies hates him as Iron Fist.

"But they didn't complain about X" is the dumbest fucking argument, and almost always wrong.

Daredevil s1>Jessica Jones>Luke Cage>Daredevil s2>Iron Fist

Spider-Man:Homecoming>Amazing Spider-Man>Spider-Man 2>Spider-Man>Spider-Man 3>Amazing Spider-Man 2

Tom Holland>Andrew Garfield>Reeve Carney>Toby McGuire

Wonder Woman>Suicide Squad>Batman v Superman>Man of Steel

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>>94793326
I've apparently rustled their jimmies. I think it's funny.

Not sure how unpopular this opinion is but I prefer Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths as opposed to the series it's based on which is JLA: Earth 2. I enjoy both works but Crisis on Two earths just nailed it for me.

>>94792684
>Danny from the comics is absolutely nothing like the Danny we see in the Netflix series and yet, I see no one complain about that.
Did you ignore everything that happened when Iron Fist came out?

I like Kieron Gillen's Young Avengers.

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>>94792684
>And it seems odd to me that people, especially people on here, cared so much about Iron Fist staying white in his Netflix adaptation, but could care less about his characterization. Danny from the comics is absolutely nothing like the Danny we see in the Netflix series and yet, I see no one complain about that.
This is just an outright falsehood. You don't have to just make shit up.

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I really really liked Fraction's tenure on Fantastic Four and Future Foundation (FF). I loved Hickman that came before but I still appreciate what Fraction did for the characters and how he initially setup the story. FF on the other had paired magnficiently with the Allred's penciling and coloring which gave the book a identity all it's own. It's also probably the most competent Scott Lang had been written in a while and it was refreshing to not see him as the "loser" current Marvel makes him out to be.

>>94793528
Would you say it's worth going back and rereading? I'm not sure if I was just too old when I first read it, but none of the characters really clicked with me. Found the art drool worthy though so that might be enough for me to revisit.

>>94793352
It's because Spider-Man is ironically Slott's favorite character, so all of his career was building up to him writing Spidey. This meant that he tried his damnedest before getting to write him /and/ and he got lazy as fuck once he achieved it because he could finally stop trying.
Also I don't think he's married or anything and he's pretty fat and short, so he's probably grown bitter as time went on

>>94793726
If it didn't click with you then, I'm not sure it would now. I think I primarily liked it as a greater arc of Loki's story, from the end of Siege to the end of Loki: Agent of Asgard.

>>94791706
Despite his weaker recent output Bendis remains one of the best writers the industry has ever seen. He will be remembered as a legendary creator and there's nothing you contrarians can do about it.

>>94793858
>not posting one of the multiple Bendis pastas as bait instead
Low energy.

>>94792079
That run is great.

>>94793897
I don't want to bait.

>>94791706
>I despise everything Garth Ennis has done since Preacher
>It's like the dude forgot how to write a story and nowadays he just slaps bunch of 'shocking' shit onto a page and calls it a comic
>I also dislike Morrison's Batman run, though I like his other work
>his Batman is terribly masturbatory, pointless and exercise in 'cool shit' that doesn't have any actual deeper meaning behind it
>he also seems really obsessed with making Batman kill people, between the Future!DamianBats, and making Batman push Joe Chill to suicide
>The last one was almost a moment where I dropped it honestly
>I think Scott Snyder gets a lot of undeserved hate, sure his Batman run has some stinkers in it but is otherwise a solid run, and Court of Owls is a great villain
>I think powerlevelfags killed the action comic, because nowadays you can't have two characters battle without some asshat trying to deduce who is 'stronger' and who 'should' win instead of treating it like a fucking story where all bets are off
> I dislike trunks on Superman, I understand that they used to signify him being a strongman, but that meaning is past and his design was outdated
> I genuinely like 90% of redesigns posted in the redesign threads

>>94794053
>I despise everything Garth Ennis has done since Preacher

Even Punisher MAX? And The Boys?

Hickman was one of the best Marvel writers in recent years by a large margin

>>94794053
I like a lot of what you said. Not everything but you seem to have a good head on your shoulders

>>94793950
Good on you mate

>>94794192
Especially The Boys. God, that was appaling. No meaning, no message, just bunch of EDGY jokes where caricature of Stan Lee calls people a faggot and people explode into piles of red goo. Fucking disgusting. Old Ennis writing was about life, it had a heart. God, and the fucking G-Men story arc - fucking hell. Of all the things, he has the fucking AUDACITY to pull 'lol proffesor x is a child molester' as a payoff to story arc that lasted several issues.

I kept reading hoping it will get better, but I stopped halfway through. It's just bunch of gross shit without any rhyme or reason. Nothing in the story makes fucking sense, we spend 70+ issues on superhero stuff and we don't see them actually BE superheroes once - why the fuck are they even around? I get that it's trying to be a commentary on celebrity culture, but it fucking isn't, it just say "man, isn't celebrity culture STUPID?" over and over and thinks that it constitutes some smart fucking commentary or some shit. God.

I think there were like, two decent issues, the one where superheroes fail to stop 9/11 which is an ACTUAL superhero parody, rare thing for the series - and the St Patrick's Day where the story almost feels genuine for a couple pages during the pub crawl sequence.
Of course, then he swaps it out for a joke about how G-Men masturbate each other to straight porn, lolrandom! LoooL!

God, I fucking despise Ennis. I don't know what the fuck happened to him, but damn.

>>94794381
I feel bad that you weren't able to get through the whole thing, I walked away thinking it had a lot of heart and really liking it. I totally understand that it gets really fucking edgy and how that'd detract from the enjoyment, though.

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>>94793950

Even with all the dumb shit that happened in it and all the flaws it had, I'm still going to miss Archie Sonic and I really, really hope IDW Sonic isn't just the games in comic form. The OCs made me give a shit about the comic

The Earth stuff is easily the worst part of the Transformers comics. Also I don't mind the trans stuff in LL but Anode is still kinda shit. Lug is good though

Rick and Morty's seen a slight decrease in quality recently, but it's not as bad as people make it out to be. It's just alright, not as good as the best episodes but not as bad as the worst. It's in the middle right now

Samurai Jack season 5 was fine outside of a couple of episodes. I wish we got more closure on a couple things and certain elements were handled too haphazardly but I was ultimately satisifed

Chromedome/Rewind and Midnighter/apollo are the only gay couples/characters I can tolerate in comics at the moment because everyone else drops the ball so goddamn hard

I genuinely cannot get myself to give a shit about the X-men no matter how hard I fucking try. I just find them boring

I don't really care about live action capeshit, and the only reason I saw Wondy and Spider man was because of my family

The only reason I haven't watched YJ season 2 is because I hate the timeskip idea

Gwenpool is cute and fine but it's nothing groundbreaking

Sonic Boom is the only good Sonic show, but it's not as great as people think it is. The only reason it's the best is because everything else was worse

Archie Mega Man was okay, but people who think it's better than Ian's run on Archie Sonic are delusional

Archie Sonic reboot>pre-reboot

Transformers: TAAO is one of the most enjoyable comics I've ever read.

The problem with minority and LGBT characters isn't that they exist, it's that they're handled by fucking retards. When a Transformers comic handles LGBT themes better than a company that prides itself on that shit, there's something wrong

>>94795746
SPACINGISKEY

>>94793403
>>94793442
>>94793594
Okay, I exaggerated. I did see people complain, but you honestly cannot tell me that they outweighed the people who only cared about race. If you think otherwise, then just look at any of the archive websites and search "Iron Fist" and you'll see the numerous threads and posts about how important Danny's race is to him. In comparison, the people who talked about the changes to his personality were small.

Greg land is an awesome artist. Brings the perfect match of over sexuality and physical action. Mark Millar is the greatest writer of this generation. As evinced by his ultimates launching marvel movies, thus causing dc to follow suit. The recent purchase of milarworld also confirms this. Top 5 of all time easily.

>>94796438
My man.

>>94791706
Superior looks hot as fuck tho

>>94794053
>he also seems really obsessed with making Batman kill people, between the Future!DamianBats, and making Batman push Joe Chill to suicide
That was intentional since Hurt was trying to corrupt the Batman symbol.

>>94792209
>newfag makes lame-brained accusations
>>94792541
>Embarrasses itself even harder
Classic

>>94791706
>>94791840
Millar, Loeb and Casey are my favorite Superman writers
>>94792434
Superman Adventures, Jupiter's Legacy, Ultimates/2, Starlight, Superior and Huck are better

>>94791706
>Mark Millar is my favorite comic book writer.
You must not read a lot of comics then. Millar has written a lot of comics and only a handful of them are anything close to good. The others range from some of the worst professional comics I've ever read to extremely bland movie pitches. While his indie work lacks the edge he used to be known for, they're still far from anything good. Hell, he took a concept like Reborn and managed to completely squander it.

>>94798486
>Ultimates
No

>>94798510
I have read a large amount of comics and I still maintain Millar is one of my favorites. I'm sorry that doesn't gel with your views but it's true. I find him to be an excellent storyteller with an eye for what works and what doesn't on the page. His dialog is always a treat and his run on Marvel Knights: Spider-Man remains one of my favorite arcs to date. The MCU would not exist without Ultimates Vol. 1&2 and this is not an exxageration in the least. Wanted and Nemeisis were dumb fun, Superior was an excellent homage to Superman, and Jupiter's Legacy was some of the best work he's ever done. He may not fit your definition of "good" but many others would disagree. Glad you have a different opinion. That's what makes the world go round.

>>94791706
I think Byrne's fantastic four is better than lee and kirby's.
Although I love kirby's art there's just something about the writing in early f4 that I just can't get into compared to Byrne's run which I enjoyed from start to finish.

>>94798510
I've read almost every big name book released since the 80s
Millar is the best writer not named Miller or Moore

>>94798706
Care to provide any issue numbers? I love when members of /co/ recommend some work.

>>94799047
Fantastic 4 issues 215-295. I own the two omnibuses that marvel released that collect his run however they are about $120US to buy now

>>94799000
I like you

>>94799154
Thank you for the information. It is greatly appreciated. ALso, daaaaammmmmnnnnnnnnn

>>94798699
I still maintain Nemesis was one of the stupidest fucking thinks I've ever read and it's only dumb fun in the sense a poorly made B movie is fun to watch drunk with friends and riff on. It's also quite telling you believe Jupiter's Legacy some of his best work because the only thing notable about that comic is Quitely's art. It's not even notable among superhero homages and the conclusion of the last arc was extremely anti-climatic. You also mention the Ultimates which is funny considering how it might have started out promising but later completely shat the bed near the end.

>>94799183
No problem anon, there's a couple other issues he wrote such as annuals and issues where they appeared in other titles but the main series is where his best work is.

>>94799355
Nemesis is pure unfiltered fun
Jupiter's Legacy is just the comfiest family story, who cares about the superhero parts
Ultimates is the most important comic of the 21st century so far

Rick and Morty is good. Only faggots use reddit argument.

>>94799000
>Millar is the best writer not named Miller or Moore
I personally don't like Miller since he's also very hit and miss but even he has a better track record than Millar. Moore one the other hand is on a completely different level. Watchman, Miracleman, Swamp Thing, and many other of his books are considered some of the best comics ever made.

>>94799449
I totally agree
Byrne's FF is his best work and also the peak of the franchise

>>94799503
I'm probably unironically Millar/Loeb/Lobdell's biggest fan on the internet but I'll go to bat and defend anything Miller has done

his consistency as a writer and cartoonist is astounding
Daredevil was monumental
Sin City is so good its almost frightening
DKR hit the industry like a ton of fucking bricks
he has a mastery of the medium that rivals anyone

>>94799481
>Nemesis is pure unfiltered fun
There's a reason it's part of /co/'s annual story time of pain and the only fun I've ever see people have while reading was making fun of it. This was Millar trying to make an actual effort at trying to legitimately write a mastermind character and ever single one of his plans are some of the stupidest shit I've ever heard of. The ending itself is one of the stupidest things I've ever read in a comic with the whole "the actual mastermind planned everything decades ago even if it would have been impossible".

>Jupiter's Legacy is just the comfiest family story, who cares about the superhero parts
Funny that the family shit isn't even all that well written.

>Ultimates is the most important comic of the 21st century so far
Oh fuck right off. The MCU doesn't even borrow anything from the comics outside of the costume designs.

>>94799503
I agree. My only problem with Miller is that he has really degenerated recently in terms of the quality of his work. Holy Terror was a dip he never really recovered from.

Lobdell is the best X-writer ever, AoA is the best superhero event ever, his TT was legitimately better than Johns, his Action Comics was better than Morrison's, his 3 issues were the last time the Fantastic Four were good

>>94799839
The Miller comment was meant for this guy
>>94799691

>>94799839
I don't think I've ever laughed out loud that hard at a panel and the majority of my comics are comedies

>>94799845
>His TT was legitimately better than Johns
I'm sorry but no. All his run was doing was shitting on the name. By comparison Johns was a god. The Culling alone cements Lobdell as garbage

The problem with Logan, and really any dark/gritty/subversive superhero work, is that it'll never be judged fairly on it's own merits, flaws and all. It will always be put on a pedestal simply for going against the grain of previous superhero movies.

It shows that sadly, we still haven't left the stilted thinking that the more bleak and cynical a superhero story is, the more it strips itself down until it's barely recognizable as a superhero story, the more legitimate it is in within the greater world of fiction.

Honestly that's really tragic if you ask me.

>>94799896
I couldn't help but get angry at just how monumentally stupid it was and how Millar wrote it without any sense of irony. You can laugh at the booby-trapped womb because of how edgy it is but that ending is just plain bad storytelling.

>>94799986
TSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
thats me peeing on your head BTW

>>94799963
I was a Young Justicefag when it originally came out and Tim/Kon/Bart/Cass were fun characters until Johns came along and made them boring and edgy
Lobdell did the exact same thing but at least in an entertaining fashion, but with more retarded editorial mandates having to separate all of their histories from Snyder/Morrison/Azz's respective messes

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>>94799355
I guess I have just seen an extreme amount of B-Movies that I can appreciate what Millar brings to tthe table. If we're going to compare his work tot tiless that came out in the last decade I would love to hear what titles you think are better. No sarcasm here. I genuinly would like to know what mainstream titles you like so I can expand my interests. Which Rebirth of New52 titles do you enjoy? If you wanna change my opinion offer some titles you can stand behind.

>>94799691
His mastery of the medium was evident in The Dark Knight Returns. He made th 4x4 grid his bitch and used it to its full potential. I had never seen anything like it. Also his Batman Epic is one of the most unique . It spans mutlipel titles and every serires is worth the effort.
>Year One
>All Star Batman and Robin
>Spawn/Batman
>DK Last Crusade
>DKR
>Dark Knight Strikes Again
>Dark Knight Master Race

>>94799481
My man.

>>94799839
Deny it all you want. The MCU would not exist if it wasn't for the Ultimates (specifically volumes 1 & 2).

I adore Millar's Ultimate Avengers and consider it a natural continuation of his Ultimate Serires. He manages to take concepts most comic fans are familiar with and completely turn them on their head and then ratchet the insantiy up to 11. There is never a moment where I can predict what's going to happen in his Avengrs series and that genuinely brings me joy. This series is the definition of characters thrust into impossible situations forced to do the best with what they have. I love it.
>I just bought Ultimates by Millar Vol. 1 and 2 along with Ultimate Avengers so now I have his entire epic in hardback.

Also, Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine is one of the best comics I've ever read for a plethora of reasons. The art is gorgeous, it is brillaintly paced, and the story defies expectations at every oppurtunity. It's one of the weirdest comcsi I've ever read and I enjoy because it genuinely surprised me and I love it.

>>94799498
It is, but this season has suckex

>>94800042
I'm the opposite, thought it was hilarious and actually ironic
he was like "you want an ultimate evil kekaiku Batman you edgy fuckers who consume my comics? I'll give you the most illogical extreme"
so funny
I've was here when the original SoP starting happening and every single time it just brings me to a grin, can't help it
everyone freaking out was the intended purpose with the edgiest/stupidest thing possible and Millar succeeded
knocked it out of the ballpark

>>94800153
I don't even read DC or Marvel anymore, outside of maybe something like Young Animal. Right now I'm reading a lot of "classics" like Swamp Thing, Hellblazer, and some indie stuff. I'm quite partial to Hellboy which remains one of the most consistent long-running franchises I've ever read. If you like Millar that much, I might suggest Garth Ennis who is similar the Millar but is superior in nearly every aspect. Hitman is one of my favorite comics and manages to be both funnier and have more feeling than every Millar comic I've read.

I still don't understand why you think the Ultimates is responsible for the MCU. If anything, that honor goes to the Iron Man movie which has absolutely no elements from the Ultimate universe version. Really, the only thing from Ultimates that carries over to the MCU is Samuel L. Jackson Fury and the costumes, that's about it.

>>94800410
Hitman and Fury are the only two good Ennis' books ever though

>>94800410
Garth Ennis is a bit to edgy for me. His Hitman series was good and as much as I enjoyed the Boys there were just too many instances of violence for the sake of violence and needless crass. I maintain the MCU wouldn't exist without the Avengers because up until then, no one gave a flying fuck about the adventures. The widescreen approach and lack of years of backstory allowed the general audience to approach this serires with open arms because they knew they didn't have to go through a mountain of past comics to get to the heart of what makes these characters tick. The modern retelling allowed readers to identify these characters at a fundamental level as they were fine tuned to their most fundamental qualitites that allowed for tons of exploration without losing what made these character special. Sure, not everyone got the love and attention they deserve (Hank Pym), but the storytelling was as smooth as it could be and the story itself was simple, yet powerful enough to make an impact.. Also anyone who says current Iron Man isn't based on Ultimate Iron Man is a goddamn liar.

>>94800629'
Rephrase this line
"I maintain the MCU wouldn't exist without the Ultimates because up until then, no one gave a flying fuck about the Avengers. And I remember correctly, Busiek was in charge during this time.

>>94800700
tbf Avengers Forever is the best mainline Avengers story ever

>>94800868
That is a very very bold statement. I'll have to give that a re-read then.

Hickman's Marvel epic which started with SHIELD, then to Secret Warriors, then to Fantastic Four/FF, then Avengers/New Avengers and Secret Wars was one of the best story arcs Marvel has ever put out and remains as the best long running storyline Marvel has published in the last five years.

I love Spencer's Cap and really liked Secret Empire up to issue #8 which was a disappointment.

And I'm a big fan of multiple past Cap runs.

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>>94792339
>The Section 8 minis were bad.
Fuck you, Dogwelder is the best.

>>94795889
Because a lot of the negative reviews at the time were about how offensive it is that Danny is white despite it being one of the few things faithful to the comics. It's just mind-boggling since there's a lot wrong with the Iron Fist show, Danny being white isn't one of them. That being said, there were just as many people complaining about the show being shit as there were people complaining about the reviewers complaining about Danny being white.

>>94801070
but Gillen's Journey into Mystery exists

>>94800627
>Punisher MAX
>Punisher in general
>War Stories
>Preacher
>Hellblazer
>Judge Dredd
>Unknown Soldier
Is this bait?

>>94801107
I adore Spencer's Cap and while I don't enjoy all of Secret Empire, it's still one of the more enjoyable runs to come out in the past couple years. Spencer has an exceptional handle on Rogers' Cap as well as Wilson's Cap that makes the both entirely unique when looking at their individual titles.

>>94801360
You're right. I'll change my opinion to Hickman's Marvel Epic is "one of the best" recent set of ongoings. Gillen's issues on Thor and Loki provide timeless story that explores in depth Thor's and Loki's relationship among others things.


1.Snyder's Batman is exceptional and deserves it's place in DCs history.
2.Moon Knight by Bendis wasn't that bad.
3. Netflix Defenders sucked ass (I don't think this is unpopular ut I stil had to say it).
4. There are only a few Morrison stories I like. For some reason his dialog pushes me away.

>>94801528
Loved his Punisher stories although I haven't read them all. Really enjoyed Preacher. Haven't read his run on Hellblzer, Uknown Soldier, or Judge Dredd so I guess I got some readin to do.

>>94800629
I'll fully admit Ennis has his edge but he rarely lets it supersede the story like Millar had done with a lot of stories. Like the worst Ennis has gotten has been with shit like Crossed and Chronicles of Wormwood, of which on the former is popular. With Millar, that used to be the norm with him before he mellowed out and stuck with bland movie pitches.

>>94801639
Crossed has a character named horsecock. The premise of the series Cross is a hundred times mor edgy than anything Millar has come up with and I fucking hate the guy

>>94801884
Have you even read the Unfunnies?

Futurama is good, but extremely overrated by pseudo-intellectuals who pretend the show's super deep and philosophical when it's just a simple comedy.
American Dad is the best current cartoon on American television.
Comic Civil War > Movie Civil War
Identity Crisis was great
Most of early Family Guy wasn't nearly as good as you remember it. It was bland and relied on pop-culture references that are already dated instead of actual jokes.
Red Son had an awful clusterfuck of an ending.
Xavier: Renegade Angel tries way too hard to be whacky/funny.
Don't Hug Me I'm Scared is the greatest internet series ever made.
Also, not /co/ related, but I have to get it out:
Franco did nothing wrong

>>94791706
The Marvel Netflix shows are 5 episodes too long.

DD's actor makes Finn Jones look like Daniel day Lewis.

Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, The first Thor, and Iron Man 1-3 are the exact same movie.

Al Ewing's Ultimates was good.

Scott Snyder is a great Batman writer.

Jason Todd should be gay and have the white hair back.

Damien Wayne has done more harm to the Batfamily and Titans than Duke Thomas ever could.

Steve Dillon's art isn't that bad.

Beast Boy is the best teen titans member.

Injustice 2 comic is good.

>>94792339
is the demon a cape book because that's good

>>94795889
It wasn't an exaggeration, it was an outright lie. This post is an exaggeration though. But then there's also this >>94801326.

You have a very selective memory.

>>94802598
>The Marvel Netflix shows are 5 episodes too long.

Can't really say anything about the exact number, but that's not really a particularly unpopular opinion. I think most of /co/ agrees that they have too many episodes and that the seasons as a whole drags on for way too long.

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I find John Hicklenton's art gross, and not in a good way.

>>94801528
Don't forget Battlefields too. It's a lot superior to anything Millar has ever written in his lifetime.

>>94801979
>Comic Civil War > Movie Civil War
That really doesn't say much considering both are bad but I agree with you because at least the comic felt like a war

I don't know if this is unpopular here but I really don't like Capullo's art, I don't get the hype people have for him.

>>94799000
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, yours is just really stupid and wrong. Miller is also incredibly overrated.

>>94805613
Have you seen his work on spawn and recently reborn? That's where a lot of the hype people have for him comes from. His full ability rarely got to shine during his batman run outside of a couple issues.

>>94805664
His work on Batman is much better than Reborn though. Specifically the Danny Mikki inked stuff, he's a better match for Capullo.

>>94805664
Fco helped his Batman a lot too since zero year.

>>94805723
Meant for >>94805700

>>94800153
On Millar: I agree, maybe Millar can be somewhat extreme but he is never boring and the fun he has writing these characters just jumpes of the page.

- Steve Dillon was one of my favorite artists and I was more bummed about his death than Darwyn Cook´s
- Cape comics should have some edge. I feel a lot of Marvel comics are too damn safe
- Rucka is overrated, not bad but overrated
- I want a comics only board

Peter Milligan is still a good writer, I've never seen fair criticism of his newer work which leads me to believe most people that say he's "lost it" haven't even read them.

I love the writing on Captain America: White, but I fucking hate the Tim Sale art.

trouble isnt a bad comic, people only shit on them because it is aunt may there.

Marville is a really good comic in a sense of entertaining.

I'm tired of movie adaptations of Superhero storylines, and I think the Watchmen HBO series is unecessary.
Alan Moore was right.

One Piece is dogshit.

I liked Defenders a lot and would place it maybe third or fourth in power ranking of shows and seasons. IF and JJ really mark the low points for totally different reasons.

>>94806301
That's hardly an unpopular opinion here.

>>94801528
When did he write Unknown Soldier?

>>94791706
I loved Superior. It's still one of my favorite comics, partially because it was written by Millar. I kept expecting the big diablos ex machina twist right up until it came, and I was completely blown away when he subverted it and gave us a happy ending. I 100% was not expecting that, in the same way I wouldn't have expected any other writer to stop at the bad end.

That said, most of his stories are still shit.

>>94810625
Hate to shill my own thread but if you're interested in some good Millar comics, I'm posting one over here.
>>94810404

>>94795746

>The problem with minority and LGBT characters isn't that they exist, it's that they're handled by fucking retards. When a Transformers comic handles LGBT themes better than a company that prides itself on that shit, there's something wrong

all transformers characters are lgbt, that's that the what the T stands for

Mark Millar and Garth Ennis are the only comic writers I like

Ultimates 2 is the greatest superhero comic of all time

Despite my best efforts I haven't found a cartoon I like in years, even the ones I enjoy at the start I just lose interest in

>>94800109
>In an entertaining fashion
But it wasn't. It was almost as tryhard as Villains for Hire
>>94810841
>all transformers characters are lgbt, that's that the what the T stands for
>There are literally characters that identify as attack helicopters
How did I not understand before?

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Everything Chaykin did in American Flagg he did much better in Dominic Fortune and Ironwolf

>>94810841
kek

>>94805830
I like a lot of Milligan's older work but I recently read The Names and found myself dumbfounded at how boring it was. Not to mention the ending ruined anything positive about the series.

>>94809668
He wrote the four issue 1997 Vertigo series.

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Carrie Kelley is in my top three favorite Batmen. The others are Dick and Terry.

>>94813121
Mine are Terry, Dick, and Alfred. Bruce doesn't even crack my top 5