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The War of Jokes and Riddles

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Anyone else rooting for the Joker?
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>>94778288

I'm rooting for an arc that doesn't have such a fucking terrible name
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>>94778288
Yup.
I wish I could be rooting for Riddler instead
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>>94778288
i kind of just want to know if he'll marry catwoman or not. what's this got to do with his proposal and honestly if she says no then this is a massive waste of time. they need to be married already.
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>>94778319
I'm rooting for an arc that isn't one long pointless flashback
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Rooting for an arc where one of the big villains is captured and summarily executed by the US army for killing more people than a plane crash, and when Batman whines about it Alfred smacks him upside the head and points out most people don't have bulletproof suits and perfect physiques when they try to survive the streets of Gotham.
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>>94778378
Nah, that's fucking retarded.
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>>94778662
That person won't be Joker though.
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>>94778288
This could be unrelated...

>BATMAN: WHITE KNIGHT #1

>He’s been called a maniac, a killer and the “Clown Prince of Crime” but “white knight”? Never. Until now…

>Set in a world where the Joker is cured of his insanity and homicidal tendencies, The Joker, now known as “Jack,” sets about trying to right his wrongs. First he plans to reconcile with Harley Quinn, and then he’ll try to save the city from the one person who he thinks is truly Gotham City’s greatest villain: Batman!
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>>94780012
...and here's some art for the october release of the said mini-series
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>>94780120
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>>94778288

I am rooting for this unbelievably shitty idea to run its course and be forgotten as soon as humanly possible.
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>>94778319
WOJAR is a great name
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>>94778662

Yes please.

Or Bruce just turns on the news and the first thing he hears is a news bulletin how the Joker got shot by a random junkie.
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I just want his smile to come back. A frowning Joker is just somehow disturbing on a different level than the usual.
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>>94780120
>All those Batmobiles.

I'm a sucker for that shit. This isn't the first time it's been done, it won't be the last. But it never fails to put a smile on my face.
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>>94780193
That's the point.
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>>94780191

Not even a random junkie.
Because then Bruce would have some kind of justification to go bring the junkie to "Justice"

No. It would be better if it were a cop. Some rookie from Metropolis who has no idea how things "Work" in Gotham and exercise his right as an officer to open fire on a dangerous terrorist in order to save the lives of others.
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>>94780229

I know, but it is really quite disconcerting. The effect is too good.
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>>94778288
I'm just waiting for the Dark Prince Charming to come out for some glorious Marini art.
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>>94778288

>Batman stages a dinner so he can get a closer look at Joker and Riddler
>causes innocent people to die

You know, I never really took Batman as a "loss of human life is acceptable as long as its for the greater good" kinda guy.
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>>94780337

He isn't. Look at his face when the Joker mentions his hostages. He'll find a bar-plan to make all this work.

Punisher/Jason/anyone pragmatic would have put a bomb under the fucking floor big enough to level Wayne Manor and vaporize anyone in a hundred feet. Installed a trapdoor under his own chair to the Batcave or some bullshit. You erase the men in that room and Gotham becomes 70% safer instantly.
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>>94780244
>It would be better if it were a cop

It should always have been a cop.
>Joker loses to Batman for, like, the third time
>Is arrested, in custody
>A cop just draws his gun and blows his brains out
>And accepts any consequences

>Is sent to jail for the minimum statutory time
>Even the criminals are like "Eh, leave him alone, he killed the Joker"

>>94780276

I can't stand it that someone is actually getting something out of this idiotic story. Oh well.
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>>94778288
its only on my pull list for the ballad of kiteman
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>>94780383

>Look at his face when the Joker mentions his hostages.

What about it? It's the same exact face he makes throughout the entire issue.
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>>94778288
>I Really should have seen this coming.jpg
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>>94778288
I think I hate brooding Joker as much as I hate Edgy Joker. Why can't we just get back to Fun Joker? We haven't seen that guy since his cameo in Paul Cornell's Action comics run.
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>>94780133
>>94780120
I love Murphy's art and I'm hype for a new Elseworlds mini
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>>94780133
holy shit that nightwing costume
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>>94780748
The only good joker is the funny joker, not the edgy one.
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What I dislike about the Joker is that he pretends he's about fun and chaos when he really just hurts, kills and scares people.

A better Joker would rob a bank, cover all the money in very powerful itching or sneezing powder and throw the money out of a helicopter. Then laugh while a bunch of suddenly rich citizens scratch themselves bleeding or sneeze until they have to go to the hospital.

Today's Joker is basically just a nihilistic mass-murderer with a shtick that is compelled to make Batman kill him to prove a point or whatever.
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>>94780934
I like the idea that Joker started off as the "Prince of Pranksters" who committed robberies and other crimes for the sake of fun with his first sidekick Gaggy but got more and more psychotic and cynical until becoming the truly psychotic edgy Joker we know today.

That one story in Gotham City Sirens made me love this idea and I wish we could've gotten more out of Gaggy, they could've gone places with the idea of Joker's true descent into madness from Gaggy's point of view.
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As long as Joker is gay its okay right?
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>>94781136
plasse erase yourself from existence
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Remind me again which villains sided with Joker and which ones sided with Riddler? I remember thinking that several of them should be switched and a few others shouldn't even be there...
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>>94780830
Funny and edgy or just funny. Edgy and unfunny joker doesn't work.
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>end of the issue Batman says he had to pick someone to side with
It's going to be the fucking Joker isn't it
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>>94782228
Well he doesn't want to deal with a pissed off boyfriend in the morning so of course he's going to choose Joker.
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I wish the Joker wasn't a mass murderer. I think him being a killer was a mistake.
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>>94782242
Didn't the Joker kill people in his first appearance?

But, yeah, making death and destruction the entire point wrecked his character. He's a lunatic obsessed with jokes -- he can be dangerous without being reprehensible.

But it's as hard to write a funny crime as it is to write a clever one, so the Joker and the Riddler end up being written as disgusting killers.
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>>94782487
>Didn't the Joker kill people in his first appearance?
Yes. Out of his first 10 appearances he only had one where he didn't kill. But muhh BTAS.
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Remember when the Riddler used to be actually mentally ill and didn't actually want to commit crimes let alone leave riddles that foil those crimes?

And then he got better and went straight?

And then he met his daughter?

And then he got worse again and beat his daughter to death?

And then he was Joker-lite ever since?
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>>94782571
>Remember when the Riddler used to be actually mentally ill and didn't actually want to commit crimes
No I don't, maybe because I actually read comics.
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>>94782571
>Remember when the Riddler used to be actually mentally ill and didn't actually want to commit crimes let alone leave riddles that foil those crimes?
That's not even close to who the riddler is.
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>>94780301
The Secret Identity sequel about Batman is also finally coming out.
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>>94780120
>>94780133

While im not sold on the political overtones suggested in the interviews, im liking the 'retro' style it has.
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>>94778288
Ive read some issues of this.
Can someone remind me why the joker isnt smiling anymore? What happened?
Also,is this a prequel? Because of the Kite Man chapter,it looks like it.
Its like,batman proposes to catwoman and then FLASHBACK ARC
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>>94780120
>>94780133
Thats cool. Heroic joker is great material for AUS. I always wanted a universe where the bat family is the villains and the Rouge gallery the heroes. This isnt that but,close enough.
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>>94778319
^This.
>>94780189
Shit taste. This whole premise is way too on the nose. It's like how a five year old would write Batman stories.
>And then Jokesman decides he HATES Riddlesman because jokes are better than riddles!
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>>94782677
>That's not even close to who the riddler is.
Who is the Riddler?
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>>94778288
I have read this issue few days ago and I admit that I actually enjoyed it.
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>>94782813
Murphy has confirmed that it's not political; and it's just websites being clickbait-y.
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>>94782924
>Where did they all go?

Currently a bunch of them are teaching at Gotham Academy.
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>>94782924
>who is the riddler?
He's not who Neil Gaiman thinks he is that's for damn sure. The Riddler is not some punk ass eccentric who just wants to have fun you guys, he is a criminal mastermind.
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>>94782837

It's a prequel.

>>94783035

They all are. Masters of timing, logistics and organization.
The Penguin, Two-Face, the Riddler, the Joker, Bane, are all geniuses when it comes to strategy and planning.

It's about their specific flaw and motivation. Penguin does it to sate his hatred of human beings and desire to conquer, control and exploit, like an angrier version of the Kingpin.
Two-Face... actually, I am not sure. To make a point?
The Joker does it for fun.
And the Riddler... I think he might be the smartest one of the bunch, and he has a sickly need to demonstrate it.

Which, I guess, served as the inspiration for this pointless trainwreck.
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>>94783099
>Two-Face... actually, I am not sure. To make a point?
Two-Face because it's the "other side" of his previous work as a City Attorney


i still want a story where Joker teams-up with a Joker from a different Earth... just for thwe other Joker betray him because he was just NOT FUNNY and then proceed to outwit Batman with a city-wide prank that COULD have been dangerous but wasn't. Because it's more FUNNY that way.
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>>94778378
>what's this got to do with his proposal and honestly
You don't understand King's GENIUS? Bruce HAD to explain this stuff to Selina before she gave an answer. You know cuz like even though she was there and lived through it and could piece together what Batman/Bruce was doing, he needed to tell her about it like it was a big dramatic secret.
Because of course that's what an alpha like Bruce Wayne would do. He'd turn into a 20yo scardy and tell his new gf about some ridiculous nonsense from the past that he's ashamed of for no reason.
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At this point I'm rooting for Killer Moth to show up and take it all.
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>>94783210
For FIVE DAYS
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>>94783216
This is now a killer moth thread.
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>>94783243
Post your Killer moths.
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>>94780244
>>94778662
Bruce won't care, the point of the code is that the law decides the fate of criminals, not him. It's not his fault that writers refuse to let any of his rogues actually face criminal consequences outside of revolving door prisons
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>>94778319
The Montage of Jokes and Riddles

The Ornate Structured Nine-Course Meal of Formalism without Content

The Unbelievably Pretentious Waltz of Deadshot and Deathstroke
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>>94783261
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>>94783368
Cute moth
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>>94783391
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>>94783403
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>>94778319
I'm rooting for an arc where King isn't phoning it in.
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>>94780012
God one of you "why doesn't he kill the joker" guys finally got a book.

Fucking hell you can't keep breaking keyfabe.
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>>94778319
I'm rooting for an arc where Riddler is not a boring edgelord
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>>94780301
>Dark Prince Charming
What is it?
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>>94780133
Batgirl steals Roxies Rocket.
That monster.
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>>94780120
>>94780133
I feel like colors are just going to make this look worse. I love everything about these panels
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>>94784765
Modern coloring really diminishes the quality of most penciler's linework. I hope its flat colors
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>>94783264
>>94780244
Bruce wouldn't buy it. He'd think it was a giant plan of the Joker to trick him and it would drive him mad not knowing if it was deliberate or not, now THAT's a joke
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>>94784801
I'm not trying to sound like a pseudo weeb but those pages show fantastic use of white and black space and have tons of action drawn thats very easy to read.
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>>94780423
>Is sent to jail for the minimum statutory time
>Even the criminals are like "Eh, leave him alone, he killed the Joker"
So basically Kingdom Come but with a cop instead of a anti-hero?
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>>94780012
So it's Oberon Sexton but without the mask?
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>>94785032
Oberon Sexton wasn't a real hero, he killed all the victims of the murders he was pretending to investigate. This story is about Joker actually becoming a regular guy who's trying to better his community.
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I'm rooting for this terrible story arc to be over.
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>>94780244

You'd think that a police force known for having a huge amount of corruption would have them killing more criminals.

Cops in RL will draw down on you at the drop of a hat.
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>>94784990

Thing is, a cop is allowed and supposed to do that. As opposed to a vigilante.
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>>94785319

Yes... but the Joker is white.

Like, REALLY white.
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>>94785463
Magog was acquitted, he did nothing wrong.
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>>94785519

...But he did. He killed someone who was already in custody and not resisting.
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>>94785621
Court of law found him not guilty.
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>>94780191
>>94780244
Only one man deserves the honor of killing The Joker.

If he ever gets an "official" death in the main universe, it ought to be dealt out by some random nobody that laughing faggot pushed too hard.
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>>94785660

So, how did they reach that conclusion?

>>94785744

Or a guy whose power is maiking people said. A fat clown in a stained raincoat who brings out your most heartfelt grief.
Stabs the Joker to death like Pagliacci.
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>>94785834
>Or a guy whose power is making people sad
So, the Weeper then? I think he was even a Pagliacci-esque clown in the circus before he turned evil too, if I'm not mistaken.
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>>94782923
>>And then Jokesman decides he HATES Riddlesman because jokes are better than riddles!
That has nothing to do with the premise, what the fuck are you talking about?
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>>94780012
>reports were saying that he is a sjw now
>Calls himself a "White Knight"
This was intentional right?
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>>94778288
I am rooting for King's shitty run to be over.
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I have convinced myself that King isn't writing this arc. That it's actually Janin.
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>>94778288
What's even the point of having the entire rouge's gallery becoming Joker and Riddler's henchmen? It's out of character for them and it has no purpose in the story. The exact same story could have been told that Joker and Riddler have a gang war using their usual henchmen that stalemates and leaves a shit ton of civilian casualties.
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It's neat that we have a really good Joker story, as we haven't had one of those in a while.
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>>94780423
Killing the Joker is fucking difficult.
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>>94787309
They're not henchmen at all though, except for Penguin. That scene with Poison Ivy shows that the Riddler is manipulating all his supervillains to his side while Joker's side is filled psychos and rejects.
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>>94780748
But this Joker is funny.
This is the funniest the Joker has been in years, and all they had to do was destroy Riddler's character for it to happen
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>>94782677
>>94783035
Oh hey someone screencapped my posts.

>>94781666
On Joker's team we have
>Mr.Freeze
>Mad Hatter
>Grundy
>Man-Bat
>The Ventriloquist
>Deadshot
>Cluemaster
>Oswald Cobblepot (who by this point was just Falcone's umbrella boy and not actually the Penguin)

On Riddler's team we have
>Poison Ivy
>Scarecrow
>Croc
>Firefly
>Clayface
>Two-Face
>Deathstroke
>Zsasz
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>>94787639

In what way are they not henchmen? Riddler literally has them wearing his insignia, protecting him, and spouting off Riddles on his command.
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>>94778288
I am rooting for feminist icon Poison Ivy to get her due instead of being made into a pseudo nazi that bends to a little man like Riddler.

When is she going to join Justice League?
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>>94787851
>On Riddler's team we have
>>Poison Ivy

Still baffles me to this day
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>>94783099
>Two-Face... actually, I am not sure. To make a point?
Mostly because he is obsessed with duality and so he chose crime as a way to channel his aggression and madness opposite to his previous identity, with the coin toss acting as the balance between his two identities.

Comics never really explain too well why Harvey chose to become a criminal mastermind after his accident (it's not really important either way), but Eye of the Beholder explains that he got his hands on a bunch of files made by attorney Adrian Fields that incriminate hundreds of criminals, and would allow Harvey to control a sizeable portion of the criminal underworld. The attorney dies and Harvey takes off with the file, and although he still gets incarcerated at the end of the comic, presumably this is how he was able to reinvent himself as a powerful criminal mastermind (not that it really explains why he did so in the first place).
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>>94788010
Riddler is pretty swole tho
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>>94787868
Ulterior motives.
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>>94787868
>>94788124
It's kinda like the netflix Hand.
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>>94788010
>Superman destroys half of Metropolis in an epic battle with some cosmic tyrant.
>Pam doesn't bat an eye.
>Superman punches said cosmic tyrant into Metropolis municipal forest preserve and knocks over a tree.
>Pam defects and tries to kill the entire JLA because they don't care about the flora.

This is what would happen on Ivy's first outing. She's too singleminded to really be on ANY team. I expect her to betray Riddler at some point before the arc is finished.
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>>94788124

Like what?
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>>94789432
>>94789445
>>94789457
/co/nfession time: I don't see the problem with edgy hunk Riddler, in fact I kinda like it.
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>>94789724
I usually am against OCD Riddler, but I enjoy King's take on him.
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>>94783511
King will forever and always phone in Batman, because he knows people will buy it, regardless.
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>>94789700
is Cat catwoman?
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>>94789527
Wow, this is dumb.
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This storytime hurts, and I really hate this Riddler
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>>94782228
Probably. When Bruce asked them "how are they going to kill the Batman", Riddler told that he'd like to see Batman choke under the dead bodies of his family, while Joker said he'd only kill Batman himself.
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>>94780012
> Jack
Is this a nod to Jack Napier?
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>>94789778
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdpNgXJwd_M
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>>94789807
What's dumb about it?
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>>94789916
Yep.

https://twitter.com/Sean_G_Murphy/status/898144563109535745
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>>94789880
Which family? He only had Alfred at that stage of his life and I'm sure riddler doesn't know about him.
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>>94789527
...why not just shoot him?
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>>94789899
>>94789909
>Joker somehow shoots 4 men, 3 of which are pointing guns at him, before any of them can fire a single bullet
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>>94783035
I agree with what you said, but that pic is objectively wrong, the idea that "hurr Eddie only uses a fraction of a percentage of his brainpower to challenge Bats, he only loses cuz he doesn't care lol" is try hard "lookithow edgy 'n untouchable muh favorite villain is" shit. One consistent trait across his depictions is that Riddler gets PISSED OFF when Batman solves his puzzles. The "HAHA, good game ol' sport!" shit almost never happens. He's constantly butthurt at Batman for outsmarting him, even in the 60s show he really, homicidally hated him.
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>>94789947
>The murderer knows our kids' names?
>Let's let him go
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>>94780934
>A better Joker would rob a bank, cover all the money in very powerful itching or sneezing powder and throw the money out of a helicopter. Then laugh while a bunch of suddenly rich citizens scratch themselves bleeding or sneeze until they have to go to the hospital.
thats pretty good actually
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>>94784990
the real crime here is Supe's haircut
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>>94790144
this is great page.
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>>94787851
why would anyone WANT Zsasz?
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>>94789865
Well I think he's pretty cool. He isn't just a mild inconvenience for Batman which is great.
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>>94789761
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>>94790309
Riddlers side is so ridicously stacked compared to Jokers, he should have won immediately.
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>>94790373
Joker is more powerful than Batgod tho
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>>94790016
Riddler doesn't know Bruce is Batman.
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>>94790373
yeah he definitely seems to have the edge here
The fuck is ventriloquist gonna do?
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>>94788010
>>94788313
imagine her on another planet talking to its plant life?

also has she ever interacted with swamp thing?
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>>94790056
>>94790055
You new to Batman comics anon? Cause people not logically taking the shot when they have the ample opportunity to is really the only way Batman comics can work.
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>>94790273
>>94790285
>>94790299
>>94790309

What is Joker's obsession with seeing the Gordons naked? I mean, he stripped Jim and Babs in The Killing Joke, and now he's making Jim come to him wearing nothing but underwear.
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>>94784649
This

Why can't anyone write the Riddler anymore?
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>>94790540
Ass licking
He wants a shot of the goods before he makes a plan to just get in there
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>>94790573
Have we stumbled upon some sort of fucked up Gotham threeway? Batman loves Joker but Joker only has eyes for the Gordons?
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>>94790098
>the super intelligent murderer who once singlehandedly held the city hostage knows our personal info
>better not risk our loved one's lives
You see this shit everywhere, criminal uses the personal info of cops with the implicit threat of killing their loved ones.
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>>94790584

Such bullshit. He's going to catch a bullet with his teeth next??
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>>94790663
this page is really good, too.
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And that, as they say, is that.
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>>94787851
>Well-coordinated and heavily practiced Riddler team beaten by a rag-tag group of inmates run by a laughing batfag with 140 ping
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>>94782923
Wow that's not the premise at all. I assume you're not even reading like most of the co autists in this thread
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>>94790689
Wise words.
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>>94790674
>has literally had mindreaders and telepaths reel in pain or fear after poking in his head
>"lel you're just faking it!"

The Riddler, ladies and gentlemen.
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>>94790793
...I actually think Joker has the most non-insane people, here.
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>>94790409
>Sixty-two
>Sixty. Two.
>Gone
And that's terrible.
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>>94789778
I understood that refrerence
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>>94780383
>>94780337
But Batman totally is--afterall he is the man who made fucking OMAC
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>>94789808
this is a really neat page
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>>94790919
Laying traps for telepaths And mind-readers is a mental discipline.
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>>94778288
off course his husbando is going to wis
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>>94790584
did his crazy riddle smarts help him catch that knife?
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>>94780133
>>94784700
What a cool character concept.
>hotchick
>flying around on her giant dildo shaped vibrating rocket
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k58wihIiyR4
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>>94778378
It doesn't even make any sens : If he's so concerned about le epic revelation that might change her mind (like catwoman gives a fuck anyway), then he should have done it BEFORE the proposal.
What happened after he showed her the ring?
>"Ye-"
>"wait don't answer yet, i need to talk to you about a long and boring story".
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>>94790689
Will Riddler ever recover?
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>>94790689
Joker's gettin' meta on me here
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>>94790618
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>>94780120
I'm in love with the art!
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>>94789643
Where, where does Joker pull this huge gun from where fast as lightning neck slicing Nigma can't stop him? Dumb dee dumb dumb dumb..

>inb4 unda the desk..
Nigma would see it.
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>>94791810
thanks for story time norrin
when does this continue?
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>>94790098
>Run into cop/guard/whatever with no family
>Dead

Really riddles my diddle.
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>>94785744
The one man Joker fears, Charlie fucking Collins.
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>>94784765
>>94784801
my niggas
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>>94788010
this is good bait, well crafted. Artisnal bait.
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>>94790584
>>94791221
If Riddler was in-character the knife would have embedded itself into his gigantic forehead, and then he would immediately have bragged that he WANTED that to happen.
>Ha! Just as I planned! I knew a simpleton like you would throw that knife at me, so I let it pierce my frontal lobe just to prove that even while suffering from a brain hemorrhage, I’m still smarter than you.
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>>94789687
Wait, is that from some other comics?
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>>94789365
Aw yeah.
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>>94792631
no
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>>94789820
Is Penguin working for Falcone here?
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>>94789961
Man-Bat can take a side? Isn't it just an animal?
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>>94790123
>>94790134
What?
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>>94778320
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>>94790309
Oh, i see, so i don't like this story, cause every other villain is some henchman for main two.
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>>94790839
not that guy but i just read all of the storytimes up to your post and, well, it seems pretty much exaclty like that. am i missing something?
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>>94789754
I don't like this edgy joker
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>>94793704
>am I missing something
Nuance.
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>>94789941
Wait a minute why is Deathstroke getting dragged into this crap?
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in what fucking universe is Slade Wilson, motherfucking DEATHSTROKE, painting question marks on his pauldrons and rattling off riddles like some two-bit henchmen?

That's fucking ridiculous. How the fuck did anyone okay that
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>>94794068
You mean the little bullshit they put in with the core story to make it seem deeper than it really is?
No i saw it.
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>>94794138
Because MONEY
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>>94794226
>I saw it
But did you understand it?
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>>94794214
Slade will do anything for money.
>ANYTHING
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>>94794214
>>94794258
Fuck you Priest, Deathstroke has no character he is just an assassin that will do anything for money.
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>>94780748

>that is a fun joker

In that story he recounts to lex that he boiled a baby and mad the father drink the broth.
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>>94794378
I heard throwing the baby out with bathwater but this is ridiculous.
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in what fucking universe is Pamela Isley, motherfucking POISON IVY, painting question marks on her plants and flowers and stuff and rattling off riddles like some two-bit henchwoman?

That's fucking ridiculous. How the fuck did anyone okay that

.. Seriously
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>>94794300
Even his children?
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>>94794480


ESPECIALLY his children!
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>>94794504
at the same time?
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>>94794300

He's a professional assassin, not a clown-for-hire.
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>>94789808
Am I alone in thinking that this page is supposed to mimic's Alfred's page (when he created the joker) in "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?"
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>>94790513
>also has she ever interacted with swamp thing?

They fucked on a few occasions depending on the universe.
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>>94795100
Which universes? I thought she only fucked Harley
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>>94795170
I'm pretty sure there have been a few times. I think in Rotworld they hinted that Ivy was going to become the next avatar or some shit. I never really followed it much.
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>>94790071
>the idea that "hurr Eddie only uses a fraction of a percentage of his brainpower to challenge Bats, he only loses cuz he doesn't care lol"
That's...not what that post said though.
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>>94780434
Hell yeah.
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>>94794609
Tell that to his ridiculous murderspandex.
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>>94794519
That's just good parenting.
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>>94790309
...Where's Kite Man?
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>>94790409
The problem I have with this story is at this point in their careers, neither man would actually fight each other for this long or be involved in this war when there is literally triple the profit with half the lunacy elsewhere in the world.
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>>94780244
>>94780423

>Batman captures Joker and leaves him tied up for the police to find; calls Gordon
>Massive SWAT team shows up because, well, it's the Joker
>Pile into a bullet-proof van with him because, well, it's the Joker
>One of the guys just pulls out a gun and shoots him
>"He was going for my gun!"
>All the other guys nod in agreement (because, well, it's the Joker)

Problem solved. Who would even question that story?

Obviously in comic-book land all the other cops would be plants and break Joker out, or the Joker would actually wrestle the gun from the guy after he draws it for free irony points, or something like that. But still. It's astounding that someone that reviled and dangerous who has been in police custody that many times hasn't been shot "in self defense" yet.
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>>94795955
>Problem solved. Who would even question that story?
Well in real life, the Joker would get a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig show trial that lasts months and then people decide to give him the chair. If a cop shot the Joker before he even got to the trial, there'd be an uproar and people would hang the cops in the armored car for it and the cops would go through the show trial of justified lethal force.

And after the Joker's gone, 3 more psychos will take his place. In Batman Beyond's example, a whole cancerous gang of psychos. And the Joker comes back again once.

Even if the cop(s) get through the trial, their lives would've been dragged through the mud and their careers done for. All for one clown. People keep hemming and hawwing about how nobody would try to get in the way of permanently removing the Joker but the whole point of the system is to prevent cops from killing people willy nilly no matter how obviously guilty they are. That's not justice. That's just pretending Dexter is a superhero.
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This sounds like a Storytime of Pain in the making, from an outsider just reviewing the thread's comments.
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I am enjoying this arc way more than I thought I would.
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>>94790409
I haven't read cape comics regularly in years, so I guess I just missed it, but since when is deadshot even close to a match for slade? deathstroke should be leagues above anything deadshot can offer, other than shooting a gun. When did this change?
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>>94796509
Forget the comments, what did you think of the comic so far?
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>>94796509

as someone who's reading Batman reading this thread makes it sound like i'm in a different universe
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>>94797460

Tom King doesn't have to follow the same rules that other cape writers do. He can warp and contort characters however he wants and he never has to deal with characters' history, limitations, or characterization if it doesn't suit him. So while you're free to criticize other writers for stuff like this, King is absolutely exempt in every way.

You're new, so I'll let it slide this time. Keep yourself informed.
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>>94797460
>>94797618
>caring about power levels
Deathstroke is enhanced human tier, nothing really special and a weight class that overlaps with ridiculously skilled humans.
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>>94796217
well, perhaps Gotham should get over this 'justice' thing. We've seen an American city turned into a warzone, and they continue to treat this as a civilian matter instead of a military one.
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>>94797460
When people realize that Deathstroke winning at everything was shit writing. Like seriously, would you rather have This huge vast gap of skill to exist between characters that would effectively make all other character useless?
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>>94797760
He's like 10x in terms of strength, agility and intelligence. He is also a lot more versatile in terms of skill. You can shout about power levels all you want but Hourman beating Superman in a fight is still stupid.
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>>94797997
>Hourman beating Superman in a fight os stupid
No it's not, that hour of power is no joke.
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>>94798041
He doesn't get Superman level strength, dumbass.
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>>94797909
DC bigwigs probably don't want to get anywhere near the mess. Don't really blame them.

Also somebody like Bruce Wayne would probably dump a lot of money in making sure the orders to deploy into Gotham would never come through because the military coming in would fuck over the city harder than not anyway, because rebuilding the city after the military cuts off and destroys infrastructure in their campaign to clear the city would take years. And you assume the military wouldn't take massive casualties. If the military wants a chance, they probably would have to resort to war crimes levels of destruction and no American politician would endorse that, no matter how desperate Gotham is.
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>>94798113
>military taking massive casualties
>against batman tier villains
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>>94789527
There's not a single guy in that squad that doesn't have kids or a wife?
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>>94780830
Brooding Joker's kind of funny in certain scenes. Not that he's trying to be funny, but its amusing to see him so pouty about every little thing.
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>>94797997
he's 10x more of mary sue too. That multiplier is basically bunk anon, no writer is keeping track of that shit. The smart, non-autistic way to keep track of power levels is to divide it up in peak human, enhanced human, and superhuman.
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>>94789643
I love how subtle Batman's shadow is in the bottom panel. Gotta love the small details.
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>>94798149
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>>94798165
>the smart way is the way i made up all by myself
He's got a fucking healing factor, anon. And far more strategic feats. He's deadshot's superior in more ways than just physical power

>>94797951
The only reason he's in this comic is so they could match deadshot up with somebody else who could shoot. If they hadn't there would have been no reason to include deadshot and then no way to capitalize on his newfound popularity thanks to the suicide squad movie trailers
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>>94798177

Where?
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>>94798279
Really doesn't everyone in comics have a healing factor? They are putting the bodies through hell just running through the city.
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>>94798377
Yeah, covered under generic 'peak human' crap.
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>>94798377
That's fair
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>>94789621
>>94789632
>>94789643
This story is so silly because the whole conflict depends on the Joker having a depressive mid-life crisis and the smug, narcissistic Riddler wanting to be pals with the Joker and team up.

Nigma's goal for the meeting should've been to rub the fact that he figured out the Joker's plans in the Joker's face and then do a smug dance about how he's smarter than Batman or something. THEN Joker shoots Nigma and the whole war makes slightly more sense.
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>>94798279
"Stragtegic feats"
There is no such thing as strategy in capeshit.
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>>94798454
You know truth be told I do like some of the silly shit like how meditation is almost part of Peak human Superhero.
>Sandman
>Batman
>Vigilante
>Richard Dragon
>The question who was serious zen
>i think I even saw Batwoman do some meditating
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>>94798655
To be honest, I think Batman is more superhuman than peak human.

His superpower is his infinite intellect and his superhuman abilities. The supercomputer and wealth and gadgets are just icing on the cake that is superhuman Batman.
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>>94799026

Eat shit, batfag
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>>94799279
I'm not really a batfag. I just think people who go "omg Batman is such an awesome hero because he's an average guy who can still fight on par with superhumans!" when it's clearly false. I'm not saying he's Superman-tier but his physical abilities are clearly bullshit and higher tier than "peak human".
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>>94789379
WHy is Riddler so big?
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hey niggas, in that new batman telltale game the riddler asks a riddle of the guy in the casino getting his fingers cut off. and we never actually got an answer to it

what's the answer? or is this some bullshit writing and they made up a riddle with no correct answer to fuck with the people at home?
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>>94790540
It's because in the Killing Joke Joker thought that everyone was essentially psychopaths pretending they were normal people. That one bad day could make someone shed the social "uniforms" we wear, and underneath lies our true selves. By having Gordon naked, Joker stripped away the social facade of being a responsible authority figure to try to get him to express his "true self". However, despite being emotionally (and physically) "naked", Gordon's true self was the same as he was when in uniform.

Or maybe he just likes seeing Gordon naked.
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>>94782924
I actually would like to see what could be done with Bookworm.
He could be like an evil version of Genius Jones.
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>>94800936
>Or maybe he just likes seeing Gordon naked.
Probably this one.
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>>94790206
An even better joke would be to convert all of them one into pennies, put each penny up his ass for a time, roll the penni's again and convert them back into paper money, this enduring all of Gotham City will at one point be exposed to his ass pennies.
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>>94796217

I'm not sure I buy that there would be anyone (other than Batman) interested in heavily investigating the death of the Joker in front of however-many law enforcement witnesses all claiming it was self-defense.

I mean, cops get away with shooting people who *aren't* maniacal mass-murdering supervillains all the time. What group of people would possibly be outraged at this death? Who honestly would even suspect foul play? It's perfectly believable that the Joker tried to kill a car full of cops--it's not like he hasn't done similar shit before.

Even if some of the cops came out saying it wasn't self defense, do you think a judge would throw the book at the guy? It's the fucking Joker. I would predict a fairly lenient sentence and negative public outcry to be almost nonexistent. I imagine that the primary response from the non-supervillainous community would be relief.

And this is all assuming it gets investigated at all--which I imagine it wouldn't. If you were sitting in that car and your buddy plugged The Joker, wouldn't you back up his story? I must reiterate: it's the fucking Joker. Chances are you're pissing yourself being in the same car as him. If you're Gotham P.D. this guy is scarily high on your "fatalities caused by" list. You really want to get the guy who finally ended that shit-show in trouble?

I imagine any real backlash would come from one of two places: Batman (in which case he throws you to the authorities, many of which will likely be outright thankful of what you did), or other supervillains. Assuming that it *does* eventually come out that there's a Gotham Police Officer out there willing to just shoot supervillains, they might get scared and lash out. Again, I'd honestly consider the chances of that as being pretty low (I ask again: who is going to seriously investigate The Joker's death?), and considering the number of time the Joker's been apprehended over the years I'm just surprised nobody's just up and done it already.
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>>94787388
I'm beginning to wonder if the Joker isn't like Dr. Mabuse.
Every story ends with Mabuse either dying or imprisoned and then, with no explanation he's wreaking havoc again. So, there's a running theory that Mabuse is some kind of demon or something that simply moves from body to body as needed... and, well, Gotham IS a sinkhole to Hell...

Although, my headcanon has been that Joker has died or been rendered incapacitated multiple times in the past and it's Harley who perpetuates everything. She knows the 'One Bad Day' origin story, and every time Joker is unable to continue she finds some poor schlub with a decent physical resemblance and mercilessly torments them until they snap and become a suitable new Joker.

Of course, this could mean somewhere out there is the 'original' Joker who's spent years dealing with physical therapy to return to the game and deal with all those impostors...
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>>94799026
>>94799279

"Peak Human" has never meant anything. I'm not sure I can think of a single long-running "peak human" character who hasn't done outright superhuman shit at least a few times. It's a side-effect of handing off a character to a bunch of different writers over the course of decades. Power creep happens.
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>>94789961
At first, I thought Janin would ruin this arc. This page made me realise that he was actually the perfect man for the job.
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>>94789961

Wait wait wait...Batman says here he was in the Justice League while this happened. What the hell? Where the fuck is Superman and Wonder Woman while mountains of dead are piling up in Gotham and Batman is doing nothing?
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>>94785744
I miss it when Joker knew fear. Now everyone tries to make him that "badass and cool" unstoppable killing machine.
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>>94801986
Who pumps the Batmobile's tires, anon?
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>>94802145

Batman, you idiot.
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>>94790309
And think that all of those villains were established within Batman's first year.
King really didn't think this though
Also I hate Riddler's new look. They should have stuck with this.
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>>94778288
No. The Joker was shit, is shit, and always will be shit. He should have died when he was first introduced, like planned.
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>>94798338
Look right above Riddlers body
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>>94789511
>>94789517
>>94789527
That seems like a great way to get shot in the head.
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>>94802413

That's just a fucking building.
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>>94780120
>>94780133
Colors are going to ruin his art, aren't they.

One time a noir version of the book will probably be better.
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>>94802425
You can literally see the shader lines on that section that make it distinct from the rest. It's obviously a batman silhouette, it even has the ears.
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>>94789527
Wouldn't it be better to subdue him to make sure he can't get to your children than to just let him walk out?
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>>94789588
Joker, I am home, and also my shirt has become unbuttoned!
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>>94798137
Some of them you have a point, but then theirs people like poison ivy who can control plants, or deadshot and death stroke, who while admittedly couldn't take the army in a conventional fight, have the skills to wage guerrilla tactics against them, to say nothing of them assassinating commanders and other high value targets.

The riddleer could engage in psychological and technological warfare the likes of which could cause all kinds of issues, to say nothing of him messing up logistical supports, or feeding incorrect data of targets. And that's just a few of them
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>>94802486

You can see shader lines everywhere on every fucking page, and the heavy shading is only over Riddler's arms. The "shadow" doesn't make any fucking sense beyond being vaguely cowl-shaped because of the light in the middle of the building's roof.
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>>94790340
Looks like the old Jim Balent Catwoman costume is canon again, except with a breast reduction.
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>>94780120
Damn, Joker's so hot.
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>>94802555
>implying your family is safe even when the riddler is behind bars.
Why risk it?
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>>94802592
Yeah, Eddie totally thought he could seduce Joker but Joker doesn't like other fuccbois since he is one.
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>>94802996
>fuccboi wars
I gotta admit, that's a pretty good amd also apt title for this arc.
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>>94780120
I'm sure Dr. Freeze is going to kill Harley in the end.
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>>94794278
>>94794226
>>94794068
>>94793704
>>94790839
>>94782923
>>94780189
>>94778319
>Everyone calling 1 guy out but can't explain why he's wrong
Hmmm
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>>94803321
How is he right tho?
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>>94780120
This Harley looks like ...a person
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>>94803566
Not saying he is, but he's backed up his own argument which is more than everyone else saying he's wrong
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>>94803589
>he backed up his own argument
Did he tho?
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>>94792497
>jokes on you I was only pretending to bleed
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>>94803669
>RIDDLE ME THIS BATMAN, WHAT'S STICKING OUT OF MY FOREHEAD RIGHT NOW?
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>>94790206
Not quite the same level of prankster, but it at least involved a joke...
A while back on an old RPG I collaborated with someone to make a Joker caper... it boiled down to kidnapping a bunch of people from a Russian Embassy (or tourists, or what have you) and strapping them with bombs
All but one are a dud.
He wanted to play Russian Roulette with Batman.
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>>94795921
I do agree. This happening, on this scale, after just ONE year of Batman's career is not believable.

My opinion is this should have happened EITHER after, like, 5 years or on a MUCH SMALLER scale, with Joker and Riddler using mostly normal goons and just one or two masked enforcers.
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King has this planned out as a 100 issue run. This is just one of the three Jokers. In 20 issues or so we'll get a story about an early run in with another Joker, then in 20 or so more issues we get a third Joker story, and then they'll all meet and chaos will ensue.
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>>94801664
Batman would investigate but Gordon would make sure the shooter would be promoted to a safer and BORING AS HELL higher-paid position, with the other who backed him up being split and getting similar "promotions".

Because he DID break the law and murdered somebody in their custody- that's not something Gordon would let go, even though he probably did dream of doing it himself. It would be too dangerous for the tenuous state of order in Gotham if cops start thinking they can be judge, jury and executioner.

And, for a better effect, he'd first get a fake autopsy report leak to the papers where the killed Joker had sings of surgery which suggests he wasn't actually the Joker but some other punk... he'd correct them himself later, after the shooter shat himself thinking he killed a completely innocent joe
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>>94798137
American Military is fucking INCOMPETENT in urban guerrilla.

If they were smart, they'd detonate a giant-ass bomb, possibly atomic, to annihilate the city and claim it was the Joker who made it explode.
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>>94801534
Naked people are funny
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>>94802245
I'm not sure I got this joke
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>>94790550
could anyone ever write riddler correctly?

Besides this one guy who wrote this one episode
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>>94778378
in INjustice Catwoman and Batwoman got together then it became uninteresting for Catwoman "without all the mystery" so she left him .

Cats and Bats are starcrossed mate.
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>>94805090
so, in Injustice Catwoman is Black Cat?
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Why people liked this bad story?
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>>94805493
the story itself is entertaining, it just butchers Joker and Riddler's characters in the process.

If it were, say, Scarecrow vs Penguin (war of the birds?) it could have worked a lot better. Scarecrow being the brainy psychoanalyst and Penguin being the overreacting thug.
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>>94780423
>A cop doing any time for killing a civilian

What are you drunk? The real world reality makes the clown surviving police custody even less believable
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>>94790241
It was the 90s, man. People listened to Phil Collins back then and the ponytail was the standard midlife-crisis hairstyle for white males with a receeding hairline.
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>>94790330
>>94790316
They made a comic out of Batman tortures people : The Video game series?
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>>94783184
And then Batman laughs at alt. Jokers joke in front of edge joker.
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>>94805626
and Alt!Batman commenting how nobody can stays mad at their Joker, he might be a thug, a robber, a scammer and generally a criminal, but he's just too funny.
Why, he even managed to get a Best Movie Oscar for a movie the escapism movie he made with the other prisoners as a cover to escape from prison!
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>>94790732
Batman is going to team up with Joker
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>>94801664
>I'm not sure I buy that there would be anyone (other than Batman) interested in heavily investigating the death of the Joker in front of however-many law enforcement witnesses all claiming it was self-defense.
Just because this is a tactic the blue wall uses doesn't mean it's guaranteed to work.

>I mean, cops get away with shooting people who *aren't* maniacal mass-murdering supervillains all the time.
And they spend weeks/months having their name dragged through the mud while they're holed up in their home because of the media circus on the front lawn.

>What group of people would possibly be outraged at this death? Who honestly would even suspect foul play?
>It's perfectly believable that the Joker tried to kill a car full of cops--it's not like he hasn't done similar shit before.
Everybody knows it's foul play. Even after all the rhetoric about how this saves lives blahblahblah, there are going to be cops and lawyers and civs who sit there thinking "You shot an unarmed man in cold blood, can I trust him not to do that for somebody else?"

If somebody like the Boston marathon bomber was shot to death before being apprehended, the cops/FBI involved (and the whole department) would probably have Homeland Security and other feds up their ass for months.

>Even if some of the cops came out saying it wasn't self defense, do you think a judge would throw the book at the guy? It's the fucking Joker.
I guarantee you if a judge doesn't look at this fairly or properly, they would probably lose their job/next election. Our system has checks and balances for a reason, that's why conspiracies rarely make sense and/or aren't true because shit like this doesn't fly in general. You need catastrophic failure in the system at multiple levels in order for this shit to even begin happening. I feel like people who claim otherwise haven't been inside an American courtroom before, especially for large cities comparable to Gotham.
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>>94806141
Yep. Or he'll join Riddler and betray him for the Joker.
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>>94806141
Maybe that is why Riddler's side is so stacked.
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>>94794378
> boiled a baby and made the father drink the broth

Hold on what?
When did this happen?
Did lex give him a beating at least?
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>>94806354
It is exactly why Riddler's side is so stacked.
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>>94780193
It is so cartoonishly over the top it's funny.
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>>94792497
I read that in John Glover's voice
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>>94790540
Because it's always Gordon who asks that Joker Rape question every time to Batman.
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>>94807663
Rule of thumb for Batman character dialogue: if you can't imagine the voice actors from TAS saying those lines, you are doing it wrong
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>>94789674
C H E C K
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>>94792235
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>>94791816
Next week, Batman is bi-monthly
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>>94790419
Yeah, which is why I said that he doesn't know about Alfred. I wasn't at all implying that Riddler know Batman = Bruce Wayne.
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>>94778288
Well, the Riddler is my favorite Batman villian. BUt putting him center stage seems like a terrible idea, to be honest. He's not the Joker, he's a puzzle nerd. I think the Arkham games had the right idea.
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>>94790409
You know, this a kinda fun setup. I like the idea, but it's just thrown into this arc that makes very little sense. I mean, setting up Riddler vs. The Joker might work in like a small-scale heist or something, but not in a city-wide fucking gangwar. Joker being able to pull that shit was always a bit sketchy, but since he's the archnemesis he gets leeway. But the fucking Riddler? I love the guy, but he has NEVER commanded that much power or respect. And they try to set him up like some Joker-type guy, but he doesn't actually have any character to speak of in this arc. Instead they give him stupid shit like the unbuttoned shirt with the edgy ?, and this shit:
>>94790584
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>>94804672
I think Batman messed up his own car, for some reasno.
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>>94805513
Yeah, they would play of eachother pretty well. Here, we're basically getting 2 Jokers, only one is more edgy than the other.
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>>94794378
He probably just lied to piss off Lex.
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