ITT: Female characters done right.

>>94755085
>>94754960

>>94755085
one of the best milfurs ever made, sad to see we cant have feminine characters again...

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>>94755085
Ayyy someone gets it.

>>94755085
is there any art of Brisby voring her children?

she's not a genetically altered ubermouse so I feel like realistically she'd do that shit

>>94755149
Disappear in hell

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>>94755149
>>>/trash/

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Not /co/ but really Ghibli shouldn't be associated with that otaku culture shit they usually make in Japan. I'd say all Ghibli female characters are done right except Haru in The Cat Returns.

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Belle was probably the best Disney princess desu. Very good character for girls to look up to.

>>94755085
How do you do a female wrong?

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Really an avian alien but im pretty sure still female. Great series.

>>94755292
Mabel

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>>94755305
is there some assumption that in addition to pooping women also don't have autism/asbergers/adhd/socially awkward?

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>>94755292
>one main female character added
>she's strong only physically
>she has no character drive
>she cannot stand up for herself emotionally
>she is an empty shell there as a love interest for the main character
this is a trope, how do you not know the shitty female character trope. it's everywhere.

>>94755085
OP's mom :)

>>94755368
It's still female, so by definition, you've not done "female" wrong.

>>94755420
are you making a joke or just trying to be annoying

>>94755439
Both.

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>>94755085
Sasha in Long Way North, a pretty good French film.

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The final act of Lilo and Stitch was a mess but man they had all the characters solid up to that point.

>>94755233
Nah, she's the spunky/ditzy prototype that ruined modern Disney heroines

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refreshment from all these "i want" princesses.

>>94755567
9/11 was the 9/11 of many a film's production

>>94755539
No
Sasha, like Moana, Rapunzel and Brave, is a perfect example of the bland "strong independent woman" character we get in modern media.

Se is light-years away from a Chihiro or a Brisby

>>94755567
No, that movie is perfect, shut the fuck up.

>>94755594
I thought Sasha flowed pretty well compared to the modern Disney girls. But yes she's definitely no Chihiro or Brisby.

>>94755571
Tell me what is even remotely ditzy or spunky about Jane.

>>94755577
I fucking loved how she worked for everything she got.

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>people on /co/ arguing what film is more feminist
i like this change of pace from waifu worship and fandom screeching

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>>94755594
Brave is the only of those I really have a problem with, but it's true that the pattern in effect is denying any actual growth to the characters like in your latter examples, lest somebody is offended for implying they're not perfect as "themselves"

Characters don't *need* to base their arc in personal growth every time (Moana and Rapunzel are about validating what they already are because they already are positive characters -in a no particularly annoying way- to begin with), but it is a problem when the narrative CLAIMS they're growing but they really are not, like it happened with Merida. The only lesson to learn is Brave is that if you do whatever the fuck you want and say you're sorry a lot, you'll eventually get your way.

>>94755657
Brisby is the perfect example that you can make a good female main character WITHOUT feminism.

>>94755657
>>94755689
Cannot tell if only one, or both are b8ers.

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>>94755085

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>>94755085

>>94755689
Making films without feminism in mind is how you make feminist films desu. I mean that's how Kiki's Delivery Service got made the way it was, when Miyazaki came on to the project he got the idea to make the film for young country girls that would move to the city and get overwhelmed by it all. There was no intention to make it feminist, just to make a film about a girl, for girls. When you know your audience and make a film honestly, instead of a big sweep of ideas to get as many asses in seats as possible, that's how you make a good movie with good characters.

>>94755717
It's basically a matter of Mother archetype VS Amazon archetype.

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Aunt Cass was the best part of this movie.

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>>94755657
>i like this change of pace from waifu worship

Faggot, this thread IS waifu worship.
It's just a special kind of waifu worship.

Pic...Related? I think? I couldn't tell. I was too busy having an existential crisis and fishing.

>>94755771

What is this film and why does this clip make me sad enough to want to buy that little old lady and her dog some burgers?

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>>94755650
Did she though? She was a pushed affirmative action hire (the fact that she was extremely competent doesn't cancel the fact that she didn't get the job on her own) and once she realized she held responsibility over certain events getting worse she fucking quit until she adquired definite proof there was a tangible and thwartable cause behind it all

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>>94755780
>Faggot, this thread IS waifu worship.
fucking asshole you're right

>>94755774
She's a Milf... But then again, she performed her set task in the film and that was to be wank-material.

To be fair, there are plenty of male characters that perform this role, I mean, plenty of shows with a male that does nothing but look pretty.

Women are worthless.

>>94755764
By "feminism" I meant the usual "headstrong loudmouthed marysue that kick asses follows her dreams and ain't need no man" shit.

Like this >>94755752 or this >>94755822

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>>94755822
>filename
yeah pretty much

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>>94755085
One of the best characters in the show. I mean, she just felt like a girl you know.

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>>94755843
>If I throw enough buzzwords at something people won't realize I haven't watched it

>>94755861
>Literally in the FIRST episode she defeats an entire army of giant trolls with just footkicks.
Talk about an amazon.

Also this is another thing I can't stand with cartoons today. In TMNT and even Inspector Gadget you could feel the characters were actually in danger when against enemies.

>>94755772
I noticed there is one anon with a huge fetish for the MOTHER archetype, and he's constantly jizzing himself over Brisby.

>>94755927
She's been trained to fight since she was a little kid + the monsters that hang around her kingdom are pretty infamously weak pussies (Marco can beat them too with strip mall karate).

She's not meant to be portrayed as being in danger with those particular enemies.

>>94755822
What a bunch of bullshit.

>>94755803
Its called les tripplettes de belleville. Its about this old lady travelling to find her son that's been kidnapped in some event. Haven't seen it but Im pretty sure its from that.

>>94755577
Best Disney female lead. Flawed, driven, and actually shown to be wrong in many ways.

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>>94755927
>she defeats an entire army of giant trolls with just footkicks
She beats up like three monsters, what are you on about
Is a magical alien warrior princess not allowed to be superhumanly strong? That's a "male power fantasy" tier non-criticism.

It's not like it's even unjustified, she's been trained to fight monsters since she was a damn toddler because
1) Her parents are pretty shitty at parenting and basically had the Royal Guard raise her.
2) It is literally the Queen of Mewni's job to fight monsters, the survival of the kingdom has been dependent on the Queen's power for centuries.

>>94755594
How is Rapunzel an example of the "strong independant woman" trope? She's a ditz with a likeable personality

>>94755439
I'm saying that OP is making a retarded prompt.
It's like saying "male characters done right", when you have something ranging from Guy Gardner to Chat Noire. They're all "done right", but focus on different things.
I get it, you wanna complain about one-dimensional women.

>>94756066
>Follow your dreams
>Chosen one
>Gets out of trouble through sheer luck
>Doesn't listen to anyone
>Want for more©
>Born with magical powers

She's every trope in the book.

>>94756085
But I understand what he means. You clearly understand what he means. This whole thread understands what he means. Yes, we're all here to bitch about one dimensional women characters and talk about the well written ones. Why do you gotta drag semantics into it?

>>94755085
Back when you needed talent. In all fairness wonder woman wasn't bad. I like that they added the baby scene.

>>94756085
He means female characters that are not honest or based in any kind of reality. Characters that are not bound are a kernel of real are shitty and done wrong.

>>94755999

And to think ,originally this movie was going to be about about extremely oppressed dindu nuffins.

>>94755999
/thread and the trips agree.

>>94756191
>dindu nuffins
That doesn't work in the context that the characters being oppressed are literally just being treated like shit for lousy reasons.

>>94756139
None of those are part of the strong independent woman trope, and barely even apply in any way that is unreasonable

>Follow your dreams
Of course she would, she's been locked in a tower her whole life
>Chosen one
No she isn't
>Gets out of trouble through sheer luck
How is this an issue in a lighthearted story? Besides her personality and companions help just as much.
>Doesn't listen to anyone
The people telling her what to do include her mother trying to lock her up again and a sleazy thief telling her to forget going on her adventure
>Want for more©
Again, locked in a tower her whole life
>Born with magical powers
She has magical powers cause she almost died as a kid, and being granted those powers got her kidnapped by a witch

>>94755822
I didn't like that they tried the whole parking duty "because shes a bunny". You can ask any cop and they'll tell you that that's where you start out. It's kinda viewed as a hazing the new guy thing, but it serves a purpose and allows new officers to become familiar with areas.
Instead it's don't follow procedure and expect to be rewarded for it.

Fuck I have had jobs where if you take initiative without running it past a manager it can cause shit, even if it's something that needed done.

>>94756261
>Rapunzel is characterized that way because of the plot.
Which is why it's a bad plot in the first place.

>>94756352
What? She's characterized that way because of her origins which were confining and limiting. Are you seriously trying to say a character having traits and a personality based on their experiences is bad?

>>94756412
No, I'm saying Tangled is a bad movie no matter what kind of characters you put inside.

>>94756143
I don't wanna say "misogyny", but it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth when you can't even be honest in what you mean and have to generalize instead, making implications that there is a right and wrong in the first place.

>>94756249
Predators represented minorities, like jews and blacks, in that movie.

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>>94755236
Fio is best girl tbqh

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>>94756504

>>94755962
Well they did a great job going that route because any sense of danger is fucking gone.

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Peak sophistication.

>>94756801
Well it was the end of that arc, of course it's gone for right now.

>>94756346
>Instead it's don't follow procedure and expect to be rewarded for it.
That was the point, though. Remove her status as protagonist and Judy stops being sympathetic because she is actively trying to invoke Hollywood cop tactics in a world where Hollywood cop tactics are liable to get someone killed, and I seriously doubt that was accidental on the writers part.

Bogo had every right to be upset about Judy's behavior: she was appointed to the force without any sort of screening or input from him, she very obviously had zero respect for authority (a dangerous trait for a cop), and she was perfectly willing to forgo all police procedure just to prove she was a "real cop". She got exceptionally lucky that nobody died during the chase in Little Rodentia.

>>94756801
>>94756902
Actually dunno if you mean for the entire series or right now.

But what I meant was those monsters don't start out as a threat because the first few episodes play it as just a comedy, then when more serious threats arrive the show gets slightly more serious as well and they do try for a sense of danger

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>>94755233
fixed

>>94756909
Don't forget she has mob ties within the first few weeks on the force, and already uses dirty cop methods of getting information.

>>94756909

Wasn't she reassigned to traffic despite the fact she applied to police force?

>>94755771

Why'd she even place an order if she knew she couldn't pay?

>>94755843
>By "feminism" I meant the usual "headstrong loudmouthed marysue that kick asses follows her dreams and ain't need no man" shit.

Judy was all of this. Her training montage showed her as unrealistically competent. Pure gurl powah especially when she beat up the Rhino Guy. Listen, Judy Hopps is no different from other modern females since what? The 90s Gurl Powah wave?

Female characters are always written as unrealistically competent and always handled with the kid gloves when it comes to punishment. You can thank the stupid pussy beggar loser males for this shit. These kinds of losers don't want women to be flawed or grounded because they see twats as snowflakes.

Speaking of "snowflakes" it was this pussy beggar mentality of a delicate snowflake what made Elsa transform from villain to glorified role model to little girls (and by that I mean grown women) who also shirks responsibility without a care in the world and a MAN needed to somehow get the blame to become the film's bad guy.

>>94758165
She can pay but not with dollars

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Yes.

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>>94755085

>>94758399

not sure why you're so hard on Judy. But I do agree Elsa is a horrible role model, but she prints money so they won't let her go so easily. It will damage the society in the long run, kids will absorb awful messages and believe in them as adults.

>>94758446
He said character, not waifubait.

>>94758565
By "kids" you mean girls. Any boy who tries to mimic Elsa's values is going to get his ass kicked. Boys who imitate females thinking they got no accountability are going to get punished and are going to learn the most basic difference between men and women.

Women can afford to make mistakes, shirk responsibility, aren't punished for misdeeds and if they are? Slap on the wrist. Men? They get castigated most of the time for getting out of line.

>>94758446
Mary Sue bitch who avoided punishment because conveniently she killing a whole galaxy automatically means that somehow it is still alive and the people can go back to their homes. The power of female characters to not face consequences for their immoral behavior.

This is why the Kid Flash episode of Teen Titans is also shit. Jail/Prison is for underaged boys, but teenage girls can totally avoid prison because Kid Flash is horny and wants to ejaculate in Jinx. Disgusting.

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>only cares about her appearance and material possessions
>gets paid to enter a relationship with somebody to impress their mother
>has five different boyfriends during the show
>the one time she gets a job, she makes her male co-worker do all of the work

Did Disney do it right?

>>94758706
"Done right" means "as a likeable character", not "realistic"

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>>94758568
>it's another "character gets called waifubait because they're attractive" episode

>>94758677
A Mary Sue is an idealized and perfect character with no meaningful character flaws. Dominator, who was shown to be incredibly lonely in the series finale, falls out of the Mary Sue criteria, because a real Mary Sue would be completely happy destroying galaxies all alone and would have no desire for companionship and the intellectual stimulation derived from interaction with others, and would thus be an ultra-efficient force of nature, and not a playground bully. There's a difference between being a Mary Sue and being competent.

I told you this last thread, anon.

>Female character isn't anymore competent than a male character in the same show
>she's a mary sue because anon hates girls

It's like Force Awakens all over again.

>>94755265
>falls in love with abusive beast keeping her captive
>furry
>good role model
Lmao

>>94758898
>implying Rei is not a mary sue

Drooling retard idiot.

>>94758974
>there's no way a girl could just fly spaceships real well and handle light sabers!
>Sure Luke did the exact same thing, but he has a magic penis, so that's different!

I noticed the common denominator is that misogynists really really love penises.

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>Best character on the show
>Funniest character on the show
>Gets just as much slapstick done to her as the male characters
>Isn't there just to be "the girlfriend"
>Ugly and cute at the same time, does gross things but remains adorable
>Unique voice and personality
>Isn't just a vanilla "female character" archetype
Slacker Cats was a mediocre show, but I'll be damned if she isn't one of my favorite female characters ever.

>>94756982
Ruined

>>94758652
Anybody who tries to mimic Elsa in the real world is going to get their ass kicked.
>whiny, self-centered NEET who never tries to do anything helpful
>actual danger to everybody around her
>still cries how hard she has it
Nobody would give a fuck about real-life Elsa.

>>94758399
Judy trained hard for her dream job since she was a kid and yet she still had a ton of trouble and had to compensate for it. Her relative competence was completely justified. Her attitude also causes huge problems later.

You're right that Elsa is written terribly and people praising Frozen's message are fucking retarded, but Judy is nothing like that.

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There will never be a female character as good a Mrs Brisby ever again.

>>94756243
...what is she from?

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>>94761088
Niko and the Sword of Light
it's on amazon

>>94760974
Pig disgusting fanart

>>94761263
t-that's not fanart.

>>94761294
Honestly it's not that bad but the face you gave her look creepy and vomitive.

>>94761397
>You
You do understand that's official art from a cover, right?

>>94755236
http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/great-movie-spirited-away-2002
>Miyazaki says he made the film specifically for 10-year-old girls. That is why it plays so powerfully for adult viewers. Movies made for "everybody" are actually made for nobody in particular. Movies about specific characters in a detailed world are spellbinding because they make no attempt to cater to us; they are defiantly, triumphantly, themselves.

>>94762327
This is a joke, right!? Please tell me it's a joke...

>>94755085
>when she lost her cape
oh lawdy, I had to look away

>>94759019
>>Sure Luke did the exact same thing

No he didn't, not until RotJ could he actually face Vader, and even then it took a while to beat him. That was after losing his hand from the second movie after Luke though he could defeat Vader in one on one combat.

The only thing Luke could do was fly an X-Wing very, very well, due to his latent Force abilities. But, he'd been flying nimble ships through gorges for years as a kid.

Luke isn't a Gary Sue.

>>94755567
>downs syndrome face
goddamn distracting. couldnt watch to the end.

>>94756346
Maybe in your dirtbag cuntry cops do "parking duty" but not in mine. City & municipal govts handle that with meter maids. They dont even direct traffic at accident sites.. they're above all that eh.

>>94755594
>Moana
>Strong independent woman
>Constantly gets shit on
>Needs to be saved constantly
>Almost causes the death of others due to her own arrogance

>>94762327
>>94764101
water tribe girls best girls

>>94764233
It's almost as if they remade Rapunzel according to post-ISIS values.
This "everyone is nice and there's no danger in the world" shit couldn't fly anymore.

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>>94756825
Sophistication you say?

>>94755265
And yet, the new live action movie tried to "improve" her to make her more of a feminist icon.

>>94759019
Yeah but Luke needed three movies and two mentors to figure out most of the shit Rei just kind of figured out. Also Luke was a whiney bitch and had room to grow into a Jedi by Return. Rei has no major character flaws (except for being afraid of being alone?) and honestly I don't see her even needing a mentor or that much training.

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People will shit on her but in the end she legitimately tries, and even if she fucks up it's almost never malicious and even when it is she realizes it and improves. She's a good character, who happens to be female.
>>94755657
Who said anything about feminist?

>>94766567
>Rei
I thought you were speaking of Evangelion

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>>94755085
Mostly, anyway.

>>94756085
No, they're are a lot of male characters done wrong. Not meaning to derail the thread but Steven Universe is a good example, there are a lot in other shows that fail completely.
>>94762327
I forgot about her, but yeah, almost everyone in that show is great, Toph is another great example. I don't know enough about mental illness but I think Azula is a decently written character that doesn't just feel like "crazy people are wild wacky and evil" though, she is evil that was more apparent when she was actually more sane.

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>>94766573
>People will shit on her but in the end she legitimately tries, and even if she fucks up it's almost never malicious and even when it is she realizes it and improves. She's a good character, who happens to be female.

fuckin THANK YOU

Disregard the 'le epic trawls' anon. Star is pure.

>>94766573
>>94766812
she may make mistakes, she may grow as a character, and she may be nice and well intentioned, just like some other good protagonists, but that doesn't mean that she isn't annoying waifu bait.

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>>94755085
A little on the silly side, but a caring mother who won't let anyone touch her child

>>94756346
Agree, but having your main character follow procedure without taking initiative makes a boring movie. The "rebellious rule bender" trope applies to both male and female characters, otherwise we wouldn't have Han, Indy, Kirk, Wolverine, Jason Todd, Guy, or Deadpool and the list goes on.

>>94756538
Who?

>>94766405
Statistically, the world is safer than is has ever been. So yes, "everyone is nice" right now, or at least nicer than they used to be.

>>94758842
They animated her tits jiggling and had her be the femdom type to a T

>>94767605
*it has

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Naive and a touch senile but she had her place in the world and so much love to give.

>>94755711
MILF

>>94756058
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4AtBBVZ73U

>>94767054
Porco Rosso