The Batman was better than TAS

hahahahahahahahaahahaahaha

>>94743270
t. retard

>>94743270
It's because of this show that they weren't allowed to use Batman villains in JL/JLU and also why we didn't get a Birds of Prey episode

Also apart from MM they had a pretty shit justice league that seemed redundant to the DCAU

>>94743285
>>94743303
Those are some great rebuttals you have there.
>>94743357
That last part is the main reason I didn't like season 5 much. Seasons 1-4 though were great

>>94743270
You are an idiot

>BTAS
>80's aesthetic


50's and 80's aren't that far off from each other if you're born after 2000, I guess.

>>94743639
I'm not talking about the setting, retard. I'm talking about the animation style.

>>94743270

>80s aesthetic
The Batman was never going for an 80s look

Most of the villian redesigns were pretty bad

Most villains had the whole everyone was a master of martial arts like Joker and Penguin 2 characters not known fight like martial artist (course being done by the team that did Jackie Chan adventures doesn't help)

the Batman to me didn't get decent till end of season 2 beginning of 3

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>>94743856
>animation clearly, deliberately styled after Max Fleischer's Superman shorts from the fucking 30s
>1980s
Holy shit OP just keeps digging himself deeper.

>>94743357
JLU didn't need more Batwank.

TAS was better animated, written, acted and a more faithful adaptation.

>>94743977
>The Batman was never going for an 80s look
I know?
>Most of the villain redesigns were pretty bad
>Most villains had the whole everyone was a master of martial arts like Joker and Penguin 2 characters not known fight like martial artist (course being done by the team that did Jackie Chan adventures doesn't help)
That stuff was awesome, fuck you.
>the Batman to me didn't get decent till end of season 2 beginning of 3
Shit taste.

>>94743270
It's generally a good show with great action and interesting interpretations of characters with some episodes rivalling Batman TAS writing.

But it took a turn for the worse when they dropped Yin and Bennett and another dive when they brought in Robin and guest hero of the week in season 5. It has its flaws but deserves to be discussed in terms other than "i didn't like it because they didn't retell Heart of Ice".

>>94744394
>But it took a turn for the worse when they dropped Yin and Bennett and another dive when they brought in Robin and guest hero of the week in season 5.
Agreed on all but Robin, pretty much everyone knows season 4 was the high point of the show and that was his intro season.

>>94744394

>It has its flaws but deserves to be discussed in terms other than "i didn't like it because they didn't retell Heart of Ice".

Their version of Freeze didn't suck because they didn't retell Heart of ice.

He sucked because they didn't replace that concept with anything. He was a generic thug with no personality beyond edgy killer.

t. TheBatmanfag

>>94743584
>>94746549
>Those are some great rebuttals you have there.

>>94743357
That's probably for the best. Brave and the Bold took a dip in quality once it started focusing more on Batman's mythos.

>>94744394
>i didn't like it because they didn't retell Heart of Ice
not living up to one of the best and most beloved episodes that completely redefined a character and made them from thug to sympathethic villain sounds like legit flaw

Reminder that monkey Joker was a neat & unique interpretation and that "NOT MUH JOKER FAGS" ruined him by complaining so loudly they changed his outfit to a traditional purple suit and toned down his fighting skills


Reminder that The Batman also got royally butt-fucked by never being released in widescreen except on itunes

>>94747072
See>>94744092

>>94744394
>deserves to be discussed in terms other than "i didn't like it because they didn't retell Heart of Ice"
I hate how everytime we discuss this show here there's always the "you just hate it because it wasn't TAS" excuse.
As if Teh Batman being a mediocre and uninspired toy seller had anything to do with TAS.

Brave and the Bold was nothing like TAS and yet the majority of /co/ loves it because it was actually good.

>>94743270
Oh hey, it's TehBatman fag, I thought you left.

>>94743270
The first season is absolute shit. I cannot blame anybody for checking out before the show found its feet.

>Guitar riff because it's been four seconds

>>94747548
But the Joker's best episodes are after he gets the suit, and you can barely tell they tone down his fighting skills.

>>94748880
For real. And for all of its faults, Beware the Batman actually tried new ideas and took genuine risks. I don't get why TB gets praised for being fresh if most of the changes from lore were cosmetic at best.

>>94749620
>I don't get why TB gets praised for being fresh
It doesn't, apart from few posters like TheBatmanfag (OP) that actually defend it as good, mostly as an excuse to shit on TAS and try to knock it off it's pedestal

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>>94743270
Batman TAS is over-rated and outdated.

>>94749620
I think both Beware the Batman and The Batman tried a bunch of ideas and took risks, just in different directions. Hell, Batman the Animated Series tried new ideas and took risks at the time, and so did Brave and the Bold. None of them sit on their laurels, they're all very unique interpretations.

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>>94743639
>art deco
>50s

turns out you are stupid, too.

>>94746340
>He sucked because they didn't replace that concept with anything. He was a generic thug with no personality beyond edgy killer
They made Riddler the sympathetic villain instead and it was great.

>>94750310
Their Riddler was definitely good, but they could have done SOMETHING with Mr. Freeze. He didn't need to be sympathetic, but he needed something to latch onto besides his huge powerlevels. The episode where archaeologists are researching the Batcave to deal with him as an immortal force of nature is great but it doesn't redeem all his lame appearances otherwise.

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>>94747153
>Chill of the Night
>bad

>>94750543

I dislike sympathetic Mr. Freeze because all you have to do is give him a job at Wayne enterprises to solve his problem.

>>94751673
The 1966 show handled it by having Mr. Freeze be sympathetic (everybody felt bad about his accident, especially since Batman arguably had a hand in it) but not letting the character accept said sympathy. He wasn't interested in becoming normal again, instead he let himself sink further and further into crime and revenge. It accomplished a lot of the same basic beats, but without Nora he was free to be an asshole about it without losing his appeal.

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>>94743270
I would of liked it more if they made Harley Quinn appear in more than 4 fucking episodes, they had this great design, voice and character for her and just thought "fuck it dude we need our villain quota for the week, don't put one of the most interesting duo villains in the show"

>>94751747
Harley's fun, but she's not that amazing. Her introductory episode was very good, but it also made her short-lived, there wasn't much else to do with her. It also was sort of a retread of the episode where Joker decides he needs a Robin.

>>94751815
I liked the concept of Harley and The Joker having a mutual interest with each other and having fun with each other, I wanted to see more wacky adventures of those two

>>94751880
Oh you're talking about BTAS Harley? She wasn't even that interesting. They pretty much played out her whole story in Mad Love. Bonnie and Clyde relationships aren't even that rare.

>>94743270
Why the fuck are you so autisticly obsessed with this show thebatmanfag? Why didn't you make a graph of the greatest shows of all time?

>>94751939
I'm talking about The Batman's Harley Quinn you blabbering dick eater, in the show the Joker and Harley basically never harmed or argued with each other, showing that they really did love each other

>better Croc, Penguin, Clayface
>cute Catwoman, Harley, Ivy
>interesting take on the Joker, even if not as good as BTAS at least tried something new
>vampire Joker is great
>crappy Freeze, Marilyn Manson Riddler

>>94751972
What? The Batman's Harley Quinn episode was about how Joker was a clearly manipulative abuser right from the start. She was into him, but he totally brainwashed her.

>>94752086
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5wpOdoJFLU

they are literally going around town having a mutual interest for each other, joker doesn't even manipulate her, just gives her a costume and goes out with her

>>94752162
Anon the writing is not subtle enough for you to miss that he's playing her like a fiddle. Bruce even straight up talks to her about this later in the episode, and Joker ends up leaving her to die.

>>94752218
in season 5 he seems very jolly with her

Best thing about the show was they skipped the lesbian relationship between Harley and Ivy.
Even in the comics it is more mutual interest from time to time than retarded fanservice.

>>94743639

Art deco aesthetics aside, BTAS took place in 90s-in one episode I recall there was a focus on newspapers that someone was reading and the year was shown to be 1992.

>You just hate The Batman because it's not TAS
No, I hate The Batman because it's shit.

>>94752374
There is literally never a lesbian relationship between the two, I don't think it's even shown them kissing yet

>>94752728
They actually have the lesbianism given to Batgirl and ivy

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>>94752024
>better Penguin
Off yourself on the spot you plebeian simpleton.
Taste this bad gets you killed around these parts.

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>>94751730
Yeah, everyone forgets that the first time Mr.Freeze was depicted as somewhat sympathetic was in the Adam West show.
I mean that didn't stop him from being just as delightfully hammy and evil as the other villains but his accident is treated somewhat seriously and he gets some lines that seem almost identical to his iconic Heart of Ice monologues. And Sanders was a great actor.

>>94752024
>better Croc, Penguin, Clayface
I'll concede Croc because Cajun Croc was cool, but Clayface was only somewhat better because they took Harvey's character and made him Clayface, and holy fuck The Batman Penguin was not better than TAS Penguin, not even fucking close.
>interesting take on the Joker, even if not as good as BTAS at least tried something new
This is another thing I actually agree. Actually it seems that most of the time when we discuss Teh Batman, even though we mostly agree that the show was mediocre, The Joker was not as bad as everyone said he was.

>>94752793
HMMM

>>94752877
He looks like a fucking space man

>>94752793
S-Source?

>>94748880
The Batman had to directly follow the DCAU, direct comparisons were inevitable and unfair.

>>94749426
First season is very good, if not quite great yet. It's the fifth season you've got to watch out for.
>>94749453
>>94749781
The repeating guitar riff is unironically one of my favorite things about the show.

>>94754631
>ROUYW

>>94754636
What the fuck does that mean?

>>94754662
it's the guitar riff you fucking doorbell

>>94754685
I don't hear it.

>>94754706
turn up your ears

>>94752024
Riddler was fucking brilliant in this series, and they had to do that redesign. Imagine the bowler hat Riddler saying his lines, no fucking way anon.
>>94748880
>Brave and the Bold was nothing like TAS and yet the majority of /co/ loves it because it was actually good.
Problem is, /co/'s wrong there - it's actually shit.

>>94751747
> "fuck it dude we need our villain quota for the week, don't put one of the most interesting duo villains in the show"

Yeah, the totally fucked up by not having Harley and Ivy in the show

>>94754866
>Harley and Ivy
I meant Harley and Joker, friend

>>94754879
Oh... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

>>94754893
what the fuck are you laughing at faggot

>>94754906
At you. Considering Harley/Joker to be interesting is something to be laughed at

>>94754921
The Batman's Harley and Joker sure is interesting fart muncher

>>94754934
It's funny you think that. Harley/Joker will never be interesting not matter how many spin the relationship gets, how many changes the relationship suffer it will always be low-level trash

>>94754971
How is it low level trash

>>94755215
Because there's isn't anything interesting there. Oh boy an abusive relationship, how interesting. Nevermind the fact that everytime writers try to make Joker care for her as if it was natural it always came so out unnatural as fuck and really forced.

>>94752024
>Marilyn Manson Riddler
That design fit his personality perfectly, though, and they even explained that he got inspired by Batman being over the top.

>>94752793
Not really.

>>94755410
gimme a pic, anon

Brave and the Bold is batkino

>>94743270
I liked it, it's a reasonable version of 90s EXTREME. I liked the firefly,bane and joker redesigns

>>94756050
Don't say that

I love how they use the sixties theme song in their intro. It's very subtle, but if you listen you can hear it
https://youtu.be/uWBIGd6BvKs

>>94743270
I think I liked most of yhe stuff from this show except Bane

>>94756879
That's the shitty second intro, though.

Also, Teen Titans does the same thing better.

>>94754971
of course men will never be interesting when you're so gay, that's normal. For the rest of us men are interesting sometimes.

>>94743270
Uh, no? TAS kinda wins in stories and visual. The Batman have aesthetics (Blanka Joker and Fridge Mr. Freeze aside) and good fights, which is good, but it isn't enough to be the best series (also, season 3 and 4 are shit).

The Brave and the Bold is the best, fight me.

>>94757316
homo

>>94757009
>second intro
>shitty
On what planet?

>>94743270
I loved it. Barbara, Ivy, and Lois were total cuties. I mean, if Bruce or Clark were to fuck any of the girls they would likely break in half because of how small they were. I mean, fuck, Lois is supposed to be an adult but damn.

>>94757827
>doesn't mention harley
555-come-on-now

I mostly just liked it because they didn't go for the same, boring designs that most Batman things you.

You see the exact same character time and time again in comic adaptions with little deviation from the standard. I liked The Batman because the villains were all still recognizable without being the exact same thing over and over again.

And I kinda liked that the villains were more competent too. It at least gave the illusion to my 8 year old self that they could successfully kill Bats. I kinda like it when the rogues gallery can actually keep up with the hero. Brings them down to earth. And everyone always complains about how Batman is so over prepared that he's OP anyway. It makes him feel more like a looney vigilante that he is. He's still human, and mortal.

BTAS had it's own flaws as well. Harley Quinn is overrated fetish/waifu bait and was a mistake. And the Mr. Freeze backstory, while GREATLY developing him as a tragic character and giving him something beyond 'boring, ice villain', also GREATLY crippled his characterization and makes writing him as a villain near impossible now thanks to his Nora story. It makes you wonder "Gee, why is he going around freezing half of Gotham when he's just looking for a cure for his cancerous wife?"

>>94758827
Harley was the greatest thing ever you fat pig

>>94758979
Maybe at the time.

Now she's little more than DC's version of Deadpool who's HOT and FEMALE.

Then Marvel ripped off her with Gwenpool, who's even hotter and more female by being a teenage cashgrab.

>>94759139
Harley Quinn is way hotter than Gwenpool dude, more likeable as well

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>>94756013
Iirc the plan was to have manson voice him, but they went with englund. Also, according to the writer, the face marks are supposed to be tattoos he got at some point.

>>94759357
Holy shit that looks fucking awesome, actually makes the Riddler seem threatening

>>94752024
You forgot the god tier Firefly.

>>94743270
>it wasn't on a major network
Funny enough, FOX wasn't a major network either when BTAS aired there. So that part of your argument is invalid.

>>94759604
Hasn't FOX always been a major network?

>>94759604
>>94759979
Regardless, it was still a general network. Not an incredibly obscure one like Kids WB.

If The Batman had at least aired on CN for its entire original run, it would have been far closer to Teen Titans in popularity. Let alone a non-kids channel...

>>94757562
Well, it's definitely shitty compared to the first one, which is one of (if not THE best) cartoon intros ever. Then again, the change reflected the unfortunate change in focus of season 3.

>>94760849
It had the same style as TT I felt, to the point I thought they were both in the same universe following a time skip.

Dick just grew up and Killer Moth mutated himself.

>>94757526
Season 4 is the best season, and season 3 is still very good compared to season 5. You're insane.

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>>94760907
I actually heard it was supposed to be an official prequel originally, but then plans changed. Never found a definite source for that though... if anyone knows of one I'd appreciate a link.

>>94760983
Why is Robins design so fucking cool?

The Batman has a great intro

Then they changed it to that shit adding Batgirl to every scene Fuck sake

>>94761255
He's the leader without any superpowers, he's gotta have SOMETHING cool to compensate.

>>94761551
what about a MASSIVE penis

>>94760983
damn, American animation just gets worse and worse. wonder where this shitty "stylized" look even originated. Disney?

Why would I watch The Batman when I can already watch Jackie Chan Adventures?

>>94759979
No, Fox was UPN-tier for its first several years. It wasn't until the Simpsons took off that it become a major network.

>>94743270
TAS didn't have an 80s aesthetic. It had a 1920s art deco aesthetic.

>>94768756
Have you seen actual animation from the 20s?

>>94768780
That's not actually relevant. I'm not saying it was based on the animation of the 20s, but rather the designs were. The architecture, fashion, automobile, and technology aesthetics were all pulled from that decade. That's why computers have cathode ray tubes and the bad guys have tommy guns and there are police blimps. Mr Freeze's suit is very much an old school 20s idea of what a spaceman or something similar would look like.
They have episodes that are flat out homages to Metropolis! That's not the same thing as saying they were trying to copy the animation style of the 20s and I'm not sure how you read it as such except maybe you're looking to fight,.

>>94768994
>computers have cathode ray tubes
>in the 20s
Where did you study history, anon?

>>94769047
I took art electives instead.

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I like The Batman Freeze more than BTAS Freeze because I like frost giants more than spacemen. I have no constructive critique or opinions on characterization, I just want a toy of Musclefreeze because he looks cool.

>>94769140
The villain designs for The Batman were GOAT, I can't think of a single bad one actually. (The hate they get is just a bad case of "not muh".)

>>94743270
This is a very very bold opinion. While I don't completely agree, I will say that The Batman is a series far better than /co/ treats it.