JUSTICE LEAGUE Spoilers (Post-Reshoots)

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The team goes there, but are ambushed by Steppenwolf and nearly killed before Aquaman saves them. They rescue the scientists and learn from Silas that Steppenwolf has stolen Superman's body in order to harvest the Codex and enhance the Parademons with Superman's powers. Steppenwolf and the Parademons attack the Kryptonian scout ship in Metropolis, but the team intervenes. Superman returns and repels Steppenwolf, but is overwhelmed and flees. Wonder Woman learns that the Harvester is buried in an abandoned town in Venezuela and the team heads there to stop him. Steppenwolf activates the machine and begins draining the Earth, causing widespread destruction. Superman briefly reunites with Lois Lane and Martha Kent in Smallville before leaving to save Metropolis and then join the battle in Venezuela.

Superman and Aquaman defeat Steppenwolf, who is killed by Wonder Woman, while Batman disables the Harvester, Flash rounds up the Parademons and Cyborg reverses the portal created by Mother Boxes, sending them away. The team are celebrated as heroes for saving the world and form the Justice League. Superman reunites with Lois, Batman returns to Metropolis, Flash asks Iris West out on a date, Wonder Woman and Aquaman return the Mother Boxes to their rightful places, Cyborg makes amends with Silas, and the world is at peace.

The Big Changes.

Lex Luthor has been entirely cut.
Henry Allen has been entirely cut.
Deathstroke has been entirely cut.
Darkseid has been entirely cut.

The Knightmare is not addressed.

Wonder Woman is present when Steppenwolf steals the Amazons' Mother Box from Themyscira and vows revenge. This was included to set up Steppenwolf's new death scene.

Additional scene of Alfred picking up Batman in Amnesty Bay after Aquaman rejects him.

Additional scene of Flash and Cyborg discussing their backgrounds on their way to the Parademons' nest and developing a bond.

The Harvester subplot was entirely added in reshoots, restructuring the third act which was originally just an alien invasion.

Superman's subplot is altered. Rather than flee from Metropolis due to self-doubt, he does it to see Lois and Martha and let them know he's fine before immediately joining the battle.

Additional scene of Superman saving Metropolis from the Harvester's effects and reassuring the people that everything will be fine.

Additional scene of Superman meeting Alfred before heading to Venezuela.

Cyborg's subplot is altered. Rather than doubt himself and be reassured by Batman, Cyborg is the one who rallies the League using a football metaphor that later inspires the team's name.

Steppenwolf's demisse is changed. Originally he'd be beamed back to Apokolips by Cyborg and executed by Darkseid for faiIing to conquer Earth. Now Wonder Woman will punch him into the Harvester's beam and disintegrate him.

Additional scene of Cyborg and Silas watching Cyborg's old college football games together.

Minor dialogue additions throughout.

>>94728064
>Steppenwolf's demisse is changed. Originally he'd be beamed back to Apokolips by Cyborg and executed by Darkseid for faiIing to conquer Earth. Now Wonder Woman will punch him into the Harvester's beam and disintegrate him.


This is Whedon, alright.

>>94728009
The Venezuela thing was revealed in a Funko Pop description, so either this is correct or developed from that. Sounds plausible to me.

>>94728064
>Lex Luthor has been entirely cut.
>Henry Allen has been entirely cut.
>Deathstroke has been entirely cut.
>Darkseid has been entirely cut.


I'm okay with literally all of this. The movie was WAY too packed before. The fuck was Deathstroke even there to do?

>>94728064
Isn't Henry Allen in the trailer...?

>>94728238
A very old one, released even before Snyder quit and the reshoot started

someone call screenrant,CBR,CB,comicbookcast2

>>94728238
Yes, but it might not be in the final cut. That happens a lot.

superman buried in smallville and the metropolis grave is empty

fake source
fake spoilers
gay

>>94728064
son of a bich

>>94728220
Pretty sure Deathsroke was suppose to break Led out of jail. And it was probably set up the Batman solo movie which was written by Geoff Johns and Affleck (said script was so terrible that it's been thrown in the trash. Now based Matt "Ape Kino" Reeves is rewriting it).

>>94728064
>Superman's subplot is altered. Rather than flee from Metropolis due to self-doubt, he does it to see Lois and Martha and let them know he's fine before immediately joining the battle.
>Additional scene of Superman saving Metropolis from the Harvester's effects and reassuring the people that everything will be fine.

I fucking want this to be true. How long is it going to fucking take before Superman starts to sack up?

>>94728145
Apparently Whedon didn't want to copy the Marvel method of leaving a cliffhanger and just wanted a complete story.

>>94728380
I Think that scene should happen in the batman movie good cameo for deathstroke

>>94728398
Stingers aren't the same as cliffhangers.

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Probably fanfic as always but this is in the vein of Whedon's story beats. The over importance on Mother Boxes and the fact that Apokolips sat on its ass for all those years after their first defeat is still fucking stupid though. Also resource gathering? I guess Darkseid stopped giving a shit about wanting complete domination over creation

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>>94728064
>movie ends in the cheesiest way
>cuts Deathstroke cameo
>never explains nightmare shit
>cuts Cyborg daddy issues arc
>fight is in a remote area in the world
>cuts Steppenwolf getting omegaed for GURL POWER
Fucking reshoots always ruin the fucking movie. Just look what happened to Suicide Squad.
Zack Snyder did nothing wrong

>>94728380
Would've been kinda nice to see live-action Deathstroke but I really don't think this movie needed another villain in it. Save that shit for whenever and focus on the main fucking plot.

>>94728397
Seriously, this is some good shit. I'm sick of self-doubting Supes. I know that Superman has doubts every once in a while, but it's not Superman when he's constantly fucking doing it.

UNITE THE SEVEN

>>94728009
>It's a giant portal in the sky episode.

>>94728434
Doesn't pretty much every major motion picture these days go through reshoots?

>>94728418
No. No it should not. It's stupid. It's as bad as the scene in BvS with Batman watching videos of the JL. It's clumsy cringy set-up.

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New Gods movie when?

>>94728475
Hopefully soon. Get George fucking Miller on that shit and make it as classic Kirby as possible. Get that generic shit the fuck away from my New Gods.

>>94728434
Reshoots didn't ruin that movie, the fucking revolving door of editors and giving the final cut to a team that edits trailers.

>>94728482
>Thor Ragnarok is more Kirby than DCEU's New Gods
The fuck happened WB?

>>94728466
Maybe that's why movies are so shit now
>>94728475
That stupid habsberg tier chin triggers my autism. Why didn't they just give him his beard?

Wonder killer
Satanist and assassin
after killer thousands of german soldiers, she's killed again, again and again

>>94728009
>>94728023
>>94728064
Pure kino.

>>94728514
It's weird, certain Fourth World stuff looks fine like the boom tubes and Parademons but Steppenwolf and the motherboxes being allsparks look terrible

>>94728482
>George Miller to direct.
Literally why? When will this meme end?

>>94728064
Jesus fuck Cyborg is the blandest most predictably boring motherfucker ever. Honestly, what even are the must-read Cyborg solo arcs? What are some of his commendable exploits? What's his rogue gallery and how do they reflect on him as a character? Is Cyborg really nothing more than a walking LOL FOOTBALL joke?

>>94728573
It was an old rumor that people latched on to.

>>94728573
He was on the shortlist for a DCEU film. Can't remember which one, but anyways he's a great director that recently made an action movie so good it was nominated for best picture at the Academy Awards.

>>94728625
I personally thought Fury Road was mediocore(ha), desu.

>>94728638
Then you're in the minority, and not to mention it was loads better than anything in the DCEU.

>>94728605
To be fair, DC has been trying to flesh him out with his solo book

>>94728397
Based Whedon salvaging Supes.

>>94728638
He's beloved by normies now and would help DCEU's rep.

I would say get James Cameron but he's busy making Avatar 2 through 7.

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>>94728009
>>94728023
>>94728064

oh my god oh Jesus

the rumors was true: Whedon is changing the movie

>>94728669
For the better, it seems.

>>94728669
No shit. Why do you think he was brought on? WB wanted him to make the JL movie more "fun" and "quippy" and in exchange Whedon gets to make his dream Batgirl movie.

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>>94728655
>flesh him out
I wonder who's behind this post...

>>94728475
Why does he have to look like an alien.

>>94728669

Good.

So it's literally PORTAL IN THE SKY #69

>>94728669
If Snyder didn't leave we could have had another masterpiece

>>94728734
Maybe we'll get a Snyder's cut when JL comes to dvd

>>94728434
I can't believe Snyder was going to do Super-angst for the third time.

>>94728648
I personally enjoyed both MoS and BvS. SS clearly felt the backlash of "not muh mahvel movies" and was clearly fucked because of it. WW's first two acts were enjoyable, but that 3rd act was dreadful and felt extremely rushed.

>>94728667
DC could approach a lot of directors to help with the DCEU; but I enjoyed what Zach was doing. It's kind of a shame they ditched him. His cinematographer, Larry Fong, really needs to be overseeing the tones and cinematography of all the DCEU movies though.

>>94728009
> a machine that drains natural resources and beams them up to Apokolips

Hos can this even be allowed. Another cape movie where the heroes must stop a giant beam to the sky.

>>94728009
Christ.

I had hope but if this isn't just fanfic...

How do you take the New Gods, some of the most imaginative and grandiose characters in comic books, and turn them into the most generic alien invaders I've seen in a while

Also noticing this plot suggests little character motivation beyond 'we have to form the league and fight Steppenwolf'

People just doing things to move the plot forward

Why'd they bring in whedon of all people to cover for Snyder? Anyone with eyes could see how much their styles clash.

Last thing, nitpicking, but is abin sur 3000 years old? Green Lanterns getting only a cameo in this film feels like more of an insult than just omitting them.

>>94728238
Remember that woman in the cave scene from Age of Ultron?

>>94728792
>Anyone with eyes could see how much their styles clash.
That's exactly why, they wanted to pull a full 180° after BvS even if it was this late into the movie

>>94728529
Eh. fucking Batman and Superman have both killed already so it's free game.

All it took was Amazons, One City of Atlanteans, and a single GL to beat Darkseid's forces?

Why do I get the feeling Darkseid's forces are super-nerfed?

>>94728792
Anon, there's not much anyone can do to salvage this movie (and release it in a year).

The movie has to set up the return of Superman AND Apokolips and the parademons AND the formation of the league AND a quick rundown/introduction of the new JL members.

That is WAY too much for a single movie. Superman should have never been killed and Apokolips shouldn't be the first badguy of the JL.

That is too much for any director to handle

So is the portal going to be a color OTHER than blue for a change?

>>94728009
>Alfred has been monitoring alien activity on Earth and learned that several scientists have been kidnapped by Parademons.
So Bruce has just been letting Parademons show up on Earth? Like, even if they Boom in, it's clear he'd still be aware of them, why let them fester instead of taking them out early?

>>94728466
I learned everything I know about moviemaking from Lillian Ross's book Picture, and reshoots as a response to bad focus group reception has been going on since the 40s. It's honestly nothing new, especially in big movies.

>>94728871
I can forgive it if its revealed to be just Steppenwolf's personal war party. I don't understand why Darkseid would allow the defeat and left Earth untouched for so long

Why keep the boxes in the first place?

It's like leaving the key to your house hanging on the doorknob.

>>94728887
hahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha

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Justice League is gonna suck and make less than Ragnarok at the box office.

Screencap this

>>94728220
>>94728064
>no deathstroke or darkseid
Fuck this gay earth

Isn't the whole Harvester thing basically just a redux of the Kryptonian terraformers from MoS?

>use Steppenwolf
>he just fucking dies
>no build to Darkseid
>no your new lord and master
>nothing he just fucking dies
I expected nothing good from Snyder and yet somehow I find this even more disappointing.

>>94728905
Better question is why are they needed?

Are there only 3 motherboxes in all of existence?

>>94728925
And Bayformers 2

And Fan4stic

>>94728064
>Additional scene of Superman saving Metropolis from the Harvester's effects and reassuring the people that everything will be fine.
That's nice.

>>94728905
>>94728941
The entire setup is dumb because Mother Boxes weren't uncommon among the New Gods and they're importance is so we can have ANOTHER fucking scavenger hunt plot. All of this better be a scam setup by Steppenwolf trying to overthrow Darkseid, because this entire thing is just weird otherwise

>>94728923
>wanting a pointless cameo of Deathsroke
Why? The movie is already bloated enough. And his scene is busting Eisenberg Lex out.

Cut that shit out.

I'm not sure how /co/ will take this movie.

There are Snyder-fans, Whedon-fans, Snyder-haters, and Whedon-haters, all in pretty equal number.

If it's bad, who will get the blame?

If it's good, who will get the praise?

>>94728940
Snyder wanted Steppenwolf to be killed by Darkseid for his failure.

Whedon didn't want to a cliffhanger. Plus it gives a badass moment to Wonder Woman, the DCEU's most beloved character.

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>portal in the sky

>drain the earth

>find the special items

>>94729014
If it's bad, they'll blame Snyder, if it's good, they'll say it was Whedon. It's a lose lose situation.

>>94728064
>almost had Man Of Angst 3
While this is a positive, I could tolerate it if it meant seeing Darkside

>>94728996
I dont care how shit it is, i just want to see darkseid and deathstroke in it. Fuck that feminist cuckold and fuck firefly, hes ruined what wouldve been a bad movie with cool characters by taking away the cool characters

>>94729014
I will give the characterizations/interactions/dialogue praise to Whedon.

I will give the complicated story to Snyder/WB because a director can only do so much with >>94728880 (and WB probably wanted to rush to the JL movie and probably wanted a Apokolips villain to compete with Thanos. And Snyder said yes).

The action is probably 50/50

>>94729022
That would've worked better than hey here's some villain you've never heard of and then killing him off with no better purpose.

I mean shit, I'm pretty sure Darkseid killed Desaad in Kirby's run and just brought him back later. It's not a big deal.

>>94729014
>I'm not sure how /co/ will take this movie.
>There are Snyder-fans, Whedon-fans, Snyder-haters, and Whedon-haters, all in pretty equal number.
>If it's bad, who will get the blame?
>If it's good, who will get the praise?
Simple. No matter if it was good or bad, the arguments would not end until Batgirl comes out.

If Badgirl is good, then Whedon gets credit for a good JL or Snyder gets the blame for a bad JL.

If Batgirl is bad, then Whedon gets the blame for a bad JL or Snyder gets the credit for a good JL.

Basically it is not possible to separate the credit or blqame until we see Whedon working alone and make something without Snyder.

What about Mera? They better have not cut out best Girl. Though she probaly just has a scene when Stephenwolf invades alantis huh?

>>94729038
That so fucked up

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>>94728573

He's a talented and unique action movie director who is good at making large scale bombastic stories with distinct, archetypal, over the top characters, and who is not afraid to be campy and ridiculous. Thats everything you could want in a New Gods movie.

Immortan Joe is almost Darkseid already.

>>94729081
is does not matter If it's bad, they'll blame Snyder, if it's good, they'll say it was Whedon

>>94729014
Neither and both. If it's bad, I'll blame both of then, if it's good, I'll praise both of them.

You don't rate the second unit director and the actual director separately, do you?

>>94728940
>>94729022
>Snyder wanted Steppenwolf to be killed by Darkseid for his failure.
>Whedon didn't want to a cliffhanger.
I feel like cutting Darkseid is more because Affleck isn't coming back and they will put a soft-reboot with Flashpoint, so it would be pointless to tease a new villain for this continuity

>>94728692
Snyder was the one who asked Whedon to come in and write and then later take over directing the changed in re-shoots.

>>94729169
how will you determine the movie is bad oh i know go to rotten tomatoes

>>94729038

If fear the opposite. I think Whedon lost his touch a long time ago, but the Snyder-fag minority is extremely loud and obnoxious.

>>94729179
I’m aware. Doesn’t matter whose decision it was.

>>94728605
BOOYAH

>>94728009
No sources mentioned for any of this.

>>94729205
WTF are you retard or some shit

>>94728792
>How do you take the New Gods, some of the most imaginative and grandiose characters in comic books, and turn them into the most generic alien invaders I've seen in a while

That's what Apokolips is used for nearly every introduction story, retard.

>>94728871
It could just be that they decided it was not worth the effort to go back after their first minimal force, where they didn't expect any noticeable resistance, was repelled.

>>94728890
And how, pray tell, is Batman suppose to prevent it? Build an anto-Boomtube shield around Earth and teleport to each instance of parademon sighting in a blink of an eye?

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>>94728009
>>94728023
>skybeam draining earth

Bravo DC, truly amazing

>>94729249
They should have stayed with the alien invasion angle. It's been done (Avengers) but not in the DCEU and would have been a better excuse for Steppenwolf.

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>>94728009
>harvest planets with a machine that drains natural resources and beams them up to Apokolips through a portal created by three ancient Mother Boxes
OH COME THE FUCK ON!!!

>>94729072
I'd give the action to Zack Snyder. His fight scenes are the highlight of the DCEU. Man of Steel had some of the greatest fight scenes I've ever seen in any medium.

>>94728064
>It's another "Wonder Woman indiscriminately kills" episode

>>94729192
What?

>>94729220
I don't think it's real either, but come on. You really think they'd give away their source for leaks like these?

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>>94728009
> harvest planets with a machine that drains natural resources

So it's pretty much the world engine from MoS

>>94728009
>Steppenwolf's mission is to harvest planets with a machine that drains natural resources and beams them up to Apokolips through a portal created by three ancient Mother Boxes. He attempts to harvest Earth in pre-historic times, but is defeated due to an unexpected alliance between the amazons, the atlanteans and Green Lantern Abin Sur to defend the humans. The Mother Boxes are left behind and split among the three kingdoms.

I'll take this over that other trash "leak" that came out earlier where Apokolips is actually an alternate Earth.

It'd also be as good an excuse as I can think of as to why a fucking New God needs these specific Mother Boxes since they can easily make more of the regular kind. Also gets rid of the stupid "Darkseid tried to conquer Earth thousands of years ago but failed so now he's trying again" trash heap story that makes him and the New Gods look like weak, generically evil idiots.

>>94728782
>I personally enjoyed both MoS and BvS. SS clearly felt the backlash of "not muh mahvel movies" and was clearly fucked because of it. WW's first two acts were enjoyable, but that 3rd act was dreadful and felt extremely rushed.

Muh nigga

>>94728648

Oh get fucked. It was all flash no substance. I'd prefer to watch Suicide Squad than Fury Road if I had to choose, and I agree with above.

>>94728023
>causing widespread destruction.
This is some more Snydershit I hope Whedon cuts out. I don't need to see anymore of his destruction porn in which tens of thousands die.

>>94728064
>Lex Luthor has been entirely cut
>Darkseid has been entirely cut
>The Knightmare is not addressed
>The Harvester subplot was entirely added in reshoots, restructuring the third act which was originally just an alien invasion
>Superman's subplot is altered. Rather than flee from Metropolis due to self-doubt, he does it to see Lois and Martha and let them know he's fine before immediately joining the battle.
>Additional scene of Superman saving Metropolis from the Harvester's effects and reassuring the people that everything will be fine
>Cyborg's subplot is altered. Rather than doubt himself and be reassured by Batman, Cyborg is the one who rallies the League using a football metaphor that later inspires the team's name
>Steppenwolf's demisse is changed. Originally he'd be beamed back to Apokolips by Cyborg and executed by Darkseid for faiIing to conquer Earth
THANK YOU BASED WHEDON AND JOHNS

Even though this is almost certainly full of shit I'll take it over the trash heap Snyder definitely made.

>>94728669
and it sounds like he's made it infinitely better.

>>94729614

No, World Engine was terraforming the planet's atmosphere, etc. into resembling Krypton. This is literally stealing the energy of the planet and turning it into a barren husk.

>>94729734
>I don't need to see anymore of his destruction porn in which tens of thousands die.
It’s at an abandoned town.

>>94729814
>Steppenwolf activates the machine and begins draining the Earth
>causing widespread destruction.

>>94729734
>world shattering apocalyptic events should not threaten any human lives, period
>it makes my fee-fees uncomfortable and sad

The state of people today, goddamn.

>>94729837
Abandoned towns can have empty buildings that can be destroyed.

>>94729797
Which, while not a mind blowing story is so much fucking better than Snyder's original story of Darkseid failing to conquer Earth thousands of years ago and now sending Steppenwolf to try again, needing these three special Mother Boxes to Boom Tube in the rest of the army.

>>94728871
>>94728897
Who's to say Darkseid was in charge of Apokolips back then? He inherited the throne.

>>94729860
Except Snyder has already fucking done that in his two previous DCEU movies, and it was also done again in Suicide Squad.

The guy clearly has a fucking fetish. There's destruction and then there's Snyder's destruction where he just lingers and lingers and fucking lingers on the explosions and the buildings falling. Miachael Bay probably jacks off to Snyder's destruction scenes.

>>94729063

fuck your shit taste

play the power ball and win the 200+ million and then you can make your own shitty film

either that or write your own fan fiction

>>94729866
>draining the Earth
>the Earth
>Earth

>>94729929
Have you SEEN Apokolips?
There have been other stories where Darkseid threatened to make Earth look like Apokolips (which means widespread destruction) and no one has ever bitched about it until the movies.

>>94729945
see >>94729917

>>94729917

Yeah, why collateral damage in giant metahuman fights just be one wrecked taxi and some crumbled asphalt!

>>94729955
Yeah nah that anon is exaggerating. It's no worse than any comic.

>>94728434
>>cuts Deathstroke cameo
>>never explains nightmare shit

literally you and two random assholes care about this shit

the rest of your shit is just that - shit taste and idiotic desires

>>94729958
Some of us aren't fucking edgelords.

>>94729983
I'd say having Darkseid show off his powers, strength, and character to kill his uncle for failure would be a way better ending than "Steppenwolf gets disintegrated in the skybeam lol".

>Superman was going to angst AGAIN
I refuse to believe this.

>>94730004
Except in Snyder's version Darkseid and the New Gods have failed to conquer Earth twice now. Which makes him and them look pathetic as fuck.

He was so scared after the first beating that he had to wait thousands of years and for the planet to be unprotected until he had the balls to try again.

I hope the Knightmare is at least followed up on in JL 2 or something, but I think they've missed the oppertunity and it will sit as a loose end now. From this, it looks like they are accelerating the 'Superman growing to become as we know him' arc, and they aren't going to fuck with that (post-Snyder) by making him evil because Lois died, and have Batman avoid it by narrowly saving her.

I suppose they could get around it by saying that's the entire point of JL. Originally, Bruce never formed the League, Clark eventually woke up himself, and blames Batman and his rebellion against Apokolypse for her death, and bam. Knightmare, averted by forming the League and waking him early.

>Lex Luthor has been entirely cut
>Darkseid has been entirely cut
>Cyborg's subplot is altered. Rather than doubt himself and be reassured by Batman, Cyborg is the one who rallies the League using a football metaphor that later inspires the team's name
>Steppenwolf's demisse is changed. Originally he'd be beamed back to Apokolips by Cyborg and executed by Darkseid for faiIing to conquer Earth

I love the Superman changes, but these concern me. I want less Cyborg in the movie, not more for him to do. And Darkseid killing Steppy would have been nice to see. I suspect a mind-controlled Kara/Supergirl is going to be his thrall in JL2 anyway, so they can avoid direct Infinity War rippoff claims as they are getting theirs out first.

>>94729917
Even in the comics events that require the Justice League to band together cost thousands to tens of thousands of lives. They are certain world or reality shattering events. So, to be fair, are things Superman fights. I'll give you Suicide Squad. But still, I agree with >>94729860

>>94730045
See >>94729902
Maybe Darkseid was busy whipping Apokolips into shape after inheriting it from his mother.

>>94730042
You SEVERELY underestimate Snyder's incompetence.

>>94730064
No, I think Snyder would do it. I just don't think WB would let him.

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>>94728220
>The fuck was Deathstroke even there to do?

Work for Darkseid obviously.

>>94730045
>Except in Snyder's version Darkseid and the New Gods have failed to conquer Earth twice now

And how many times has they done so in comics? Countless times.

>>94728145
What an idiot

Normies don't give a shit about Thanos since he has literally done nothing that important to establish himself as a threat

Yet here's a chance to show how ruthless Darkseid could be but nope, MUH FEM POWER PUNCH

>>94730076
Sorry.

You SEVERELY underestimate Snyder and WB's incompetence.

We're talking about the same company that gave him not one, not two, not even three but four fucking chances and he fucked up every single time.

>>94730102
>Yet here's a chance to show how ruthless Darkseid could be
Is it though? "He kills his minions" isn't really impressive. Lex did it when he blew up the senate but tons of people still call him a cringey joke.
I'm assuming you think he was a great villian, but other do not.

>>94730124
>"He kills his minions" isn't really impressive

It depends on the execution. Pun intended.

>>94730102
>here's a chance to show how ruthless Darkseid
It's a generic bad guy trope.

>>94730124
"He kills his own uncle with lasers from his eyes that literally erase people from existence"

>>94730051
>it looks like they are accelerating the 'Superman growing to become as we know him' arc
This is the third movie.
Wonder Woman did it in one.
EVERY Superhero except Snyder Superman does it in one. Even Snyder Batman gets back on track after his one movie.
Why the fuck would it acceptable for Superman to take 3+?

>>94730171
The funny thing is that Snyder's Superman did originally do it in one.
>Welcome to the Planet
>Happy to be here
But becasue Snyder is a fucking idiot he completely undid it in BvS so he could have an excuse to have Superman all mopey again so he can fight Batman.

>>94729860
>>94729917
>>94729945
>>94729958
The point of destruction in cape stuff is not the destruction in of itself but to show the hero saving people during it. Snyder focuses on the building falling when he's supposed to focus on the hero catching it before it smashes into people or pulling them out of the way.

>>94730051
>From this, it looks like they are accelerating the 'Superman growing to become as we know him' arc,
It's been two movies. JL would be the third.
If it is true that Clark in JL was suppose to have so much self doubt that he wasn't even willing to stop Earth being destroyed, then he was no good at all.

It is bad enough that he didn't save Paa Kent from the Tornado, but now he was seriously considering letting Mah Kent die by letting Earth be annihilated?

>>94728064
>The Harvester subplot was entirely added in reshoots, restructuring the third act which was originally just an alien invasion.
>The Harvester subplot
>The Harvester
Yay another fucking sky beam for the sky beam god

>>94728700
Because he is one?

>>94728009
>tunnel between Metropolis and Gotham
why are they next to eachother?

>>94728442
>>94728397
but he was saving people and doing heroic shit for most of BvS... he only stopped for a brief moment when he though his presence caused a terror attack on the US Senate, which is pretty understandable. And then he gets over it and saves the world again.
Did you guys even watch the same movie?

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>>94730369
So we can have Bruce Wayne ignoring Zod's threats and sending all his employees to work in Metropolis while he fucks around downtown getting doughnuts?

>>94729730
You are fucking certifiable if you think SS was a better movie than Fury Road. You think Fury Road was all style no substance but praise SS? I have to ask you to explain this opinion, because I thought SS was no style with no substance.

>>94730182
>>94730171

you guys are pretty dumb, Superman is only mopey after he thinks him existing cause the senate to explode due to suicide bomb.... thats a pretty good reason to be sad. And then he gets over it and saves the world again. Also WW ended with her basically giving up on humanity on a macro scale and only helping individuals and in tiny ways from the shadows. Its literally Superman's sacrifice that rejuvinates her faith that men can be good and that she can actually have an impact on humanity as a whole.


How do you guys misunderstand/misremember movies THIS hard?

>>94730194
>The point of destruction in cape stuff is not the destruction in of itself but to show the hero saving people during it

One hero, or even a group isn't going to able to save everyone when it's WORLDWIDE cataclysm. BvS had the destruction take place in places with no civilians in the vicinity and in MoS Superman was busy stopping the world ending to go rescue anyone.

>>94728064

>Steppenwolf's demisse is changed. Originally he'd be beamed back to Apokolips by Cyborg and executed by Darkseid for faiIing to conquer Earth. Now Wonder Woman will punch him into the Harvester's beam and disintegrate him.

This is crap, right here.

We could've had a beaten and broken Steppenwolf at the end of a trail of blood, having dragged himself to kneel before a throne hidden in shadow and explain his failure, only for Darkseid to wordlessly obliterate him mid-sentence, with the only part of Darkseid we see being two eyes glowing from the omega beams as the frame fades to black. Then credits, and NO after-credits scene.

But instead, girl power! Yay!

>>94728009
>>94728023
All this stuff about Venezuela and harvesting resources sounds like some forced political commentary on USA stirring shit in other countries to be able to exploit their natural resources.

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>>94730462

>>94730337
As opposed to another fucking faceless alien invasion that also served to make Darkseid and the New Gods weak as fuck?

I know which one I prefer.

>>94730462
Just not as smart as you DCEUfags I guess.

>>94730537
>Darkseid himself failed thousands of years ago
>Kills Steppenwolf in generic bad super bad guy way for doing the same thing

>>94730610
>I wonder when I should start saving people?
>I'll just stand here and cry for a bit longer first.
muh Superman

>>94730839
>Darkseid himself failed thousands of years ago

Where was it ever confirmed that it was literally Darkseid himself who failed, and not just another lackey?

>>94730384
Superman looks miserable throughout the fucking movie. Its forced angst all the time with him.

>>94730513
And if you have to make excuses for your heroes three times in a row they're not very heroic.

>
Superman's subplot is altered. Rather than flee from Metropolis due to self-doubt, he does it to see Lois and Martha and let them know he's fine before immediately joining the battle.

Fucking finally.

>>94728064

[Spoiler]>Cyborg's subplot is altered. Rather than doubt himself and be reassured by Batman, Cyborg is the one who rallies the League using a football metaphor that later inspires the team's name.[/spoiler]

Time for memes.

Just wondering, why are people taking these leaks as real?

They beefing Cyborgs role.

>>94731230
I am just amazed that Snyder hates Superman this much. Making Superman flee? Seriously?

I seriously wish that his daughter hadn't killed herself, because way too many people are now giving him a break he doesn't deserve. The man clearly has moral issues and I wanted to see pressure pile on him for thinking the way he does. But it seems having one's daughter off herself makes it okay for a man to have questionable ideas of heroism.

>>94731259
>Just wondering, why are people taking these leaks as real?
Superman fleeing is the most Snyder idea I can think of.

>>94729072

Snyder takes the action cake. I don't think Whedon's bad, but Snyder is better at that.

>>94731271
I've seen the leaks concerning Superman fleeing but why are these new leaks with Whedon considered real?

>>94731474
>I've seen the leaks concerning Superman fleeing but why are these new leaks with Whedon considered real?
I never said it is real, I am just saying I wouldn't be surprised if it was real.

>>94728442
>Would've been kinda nice to see live-action Deathstroke
He was pretty dope in Arrow season 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afk4OGOKaUw

>>94731259

I'm fucking bored, man.

>>94730937
>Darkseid allows his lackey and fellow New God to fail then just leaves Earth alone for thousands of years because he's scared until it has no protectors
What a badass.

>>94731259
Because this is the first one of these "leaks" for JL that actually sounds halfway decent, or at least as little like a Snyder movie as possible so it's finally given me a glimmer of hope.

>>94728792
I know. This is just a fucking Avengers 1 rehash

>>94730537
are you guys actually comic fans? Like am I on tv? wtf is going on. Whedon is removing angst supes and salvaging the character and THIS is what we are being pissed about?

>>94731638
>are you guys actually comic fans? Like am I on tv? wtf is going on. Whedon is removing angst supes and salvaging the character and THIS is what we are being pissed about?
There are Snyder fans who are mad that he is leaving. The fact is they have defended Snyder too long to give up now, so they will keep going by shitting on any non-snyder elements.

Darkseid confirmed for pussy-ass bitch.

Brainiac is now our only hope for a worthy League+ level DCEU villain.

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>>94728009
>tunnel between Metropolis and Gotham
I hate this bullshit Snuderverse

>>94731267
>I seriously wish that his daughter hadn't killed herself,
how radical.

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>>94728064
>flee from Metropolis due to self-doubt,
Holy shit. Snyder is a fucking retard.

>main villain's plot revolves around ANOTHER giant blue laser shooting into the sky

into the trash it goes

>>94729249
Third time's the charm!!

>>94731780
>how radical.
Not my fault that the critics have openly declared that they can't shit on him anymore even though they wanted to. Fuck that, he didn't suddenly become a good film maker just because his child died.

QUICK TEAM WE HAVE TO STOP WORLD DESTROYING BLUE (has to be blue) LASER WITH THE POWER OF WORKING TOGETHER AND FRIENDSHIP NOW THAT OUR INDIVIDUAL ATTACKS HAVE ALL FAILED
This is like the F4 reboot but so much worse

>>94731556

Darkseid respects strength. A pathetic mud ball with primitive lifeforms being able to repel Apokolips' invasion is something he admire.

>Snyders Daughter died to save this movie

the Hero we need.

>>94728380
>And it was probably set up the Batman solo movie
If Whedon decided to take this out, maybe he learned some lessons from Age of Ultron.

>>94732049
>If Whedon decided to take this out, maybe he learned some lessons from Age of Ultron.
That was probably the first thing he demanded when he agreed to take the reigns. BvS has too many things that shouldn't be there, and JL likely is the same. It is probably more important that extraneous shit gets cut than any reshoots themselves.

Avengers 1 was a VERY simple story. It worked that way, with only Hawkeye the only person needed introducing. Avengers 2 got too busy and suffered from its own weight. Whedon likely knows from experience now, how to got at the ensemble film with a hacksaw and just chop off the side plots.

>>94731259
Expectations, they're low enough that any dumb shit i hear about the movie sounds pretty realistic

But i should know better, BvS also had plenty of leaks that turned out to be fake, which is sad because they were better written than the movie. I mean, think about it, a fan saw the trailer and thought "mmh i wonder where the Knightmare came from" and so he came up with the explanation that Lex created a machine that could let him observe other timelines similarly to what happens in Birthright. Then you watch the actual movie and apparently nobody gave a fuck about explaining anything. Leak said Superman was invited to an hearing with the senate to discuss the Metropolis invasion, because obviously people expected that delicate subject to be important to the character? Nope! It's actually African lady that thinks Superman killed a bunch of people except not really because she was paid by Lex, lmao, fooled ya!

So yeah what I'm trying to say is this leak, to me, sounds kinda bland but not THAT bad. Which means now i have to expect the movie to be even worse, BvS and SS taught me that

>>94732011
Suicide as I recall.

>>94732113
>So yeah what I'm trying to say is this leak, to me, sounds kinda bland but not THAT bad. Which means now i have to expect the movie to be even worse, BvS and SS taught me that
I wished that Snyder made the JL film all the way through, so that he can take the blame and leave. Now Snyder fans can insist that Whedon created the bad bits. And that the Snyder fans will always for decades insist the DCEU would have been better off had Snyder not left.

>>94732168
I know, right? They keep finding excuses to paint Snyder as the saving grace of the universe
>BvS was ruined because of WB meddling!
>SS was bad because it wasn't Snyderkino!
>Snyder secretly wrote and directed most of WW you know, haters don't realize this, sad!
My first thought when Whedon got involved was exactly what you said

>>94732151
but her fathed always seemed to cheerful with the role models he presented to kids

>>94730124
>>94730152
He meant when Whedon already changes the death completely he might as well change even more to make Darkseid a bigger focus.

>>94730369
Because Snyder wanted to do that one shot where you can see the bat symbol from Metropolis.

>>94728064
>Cyborg is the one who rallies the League using a football metaphor that later inspires the team's name.
Dropped

>>94728064
Every single one of these sounds good.

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>>94730102
Darkseid should order Steppenwolf to kill himself after his failure like he did in the animated series.

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>>94728922
Don't worry m8, screencapping MCUbros is a hobby of mine

>>94728064
some credit to Whedon for atleast trying to make Cyborg more than just STERN ROBOBLACK

>>94728064
>Superman self-doubt
Probably the only thing they should've kept.

I hope this is not fake, because it actually sounds good

>>94730051
>I hope the Knightmare is at least followed up on in JL 2
Fuck you. Go play Injustice if you want that fucking bullshit. I am so fucking tired of Batfags writing Supes as willing to fucking enslave and oppress humanity without someone constantly telling him that's maybe not a good idea.

>>94733177
>I am so fucking tired of Batfags writing Supes as willing to fucking enslave and oppress humanity without someone constantly telling him that's maybe not a good idea.

Oh boo-hoo, Superman is evil in a timeline that will never come to be!

>>94728064
>Superman's subplot is altered. Rather than flee from Metropolis due to self-doubt, he does it to see Lois and Martha and let them know he's fine before immediately joining the battle.
>Additional scene of Superman saving Metropolis from the Harvester's effects and reassuring the people that everything will be fine.
>Additional scene of Superman meeting Alfred before heading to Venezuela.

Based Whedon!

>Cyborg's subplot is altered. Rather than doubt himself and be reassured by Batman, Cyborg is the one who rallies the League using a football metaphor that later inspires the team's name.

Meh but okay I guess since Superman and Batman don't even have experience in rallying people.

>>94731763
Fuck that, Brainiac is a Superman villain. The League can fuck off and use Despero, Mongul, or Starro. Brainiac should be Superman 2 by Vaughn.

>>94733187
>WAAAHH I WANT MUH EVIL SUPES
Again go play Injustice faggot. It's made for retards like you.

>>94728871
Possibly the Gods are still alive before Ares killed them.

>>94728064
>Additional scene of Alfred picking up Batman in Amnesty Bay after Aquaman rejects him.
>Additional scene of Flash and Cyborg discussing their backgrounds on their way to the Parademons' nest and developing a bond.

Christ, I can fucking hear the Whedon banter in my head already.

>>94733187
oh boy evil Superman
thats definitely not a plotline that was already done to death before the new millenium

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>Whedon takes over
>Batwank reduced by 50%
guess this might be good after all

> Henry Allen has been entirely cut.
God fucking damn it.
The 1 chance you had to make this faggot into something besides a Spiderman wannabe quip fucker & your pissing all over it in order to appease subhuman trash that don't want emotional weight to their fucking characters.

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Why does Steppenwolf need 3 Motherboxes to open a portal to Apokolips if he can open a portal to Earth from Apokolips to get here?

>>94728064
>Superman's subplot is altered. Rather than flee from Metropolis due to self-doubt, he does it to see Lois and Martha and let them know he's fine before immediately joining the battle.
>Additional scene of Superman saving Metropolis from the Harvester's effects and reassuring the people that everything will be fine.
This sounds good as long as he isn't quipy or cheerful about it during a fucking apocalypse.

> Steppenwolf's demisse is changed. Originally he'd be beamed back to Apokolips by Cyborg and executed by Darkseid for faiIing to conquer Earth. Now Wonder Woman will punch him into the Harvester's beam and disintegrate him.
So fucking pissed about this.

>>94733442
Possibly to save time? 3 Motherbox for direct link to Apokolips and the way he traveled to Earth is via many Portals which are time consuming.

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>>94733505

>Wonder Woman: "But Steppenwolf... all this destruction... all this death... if you could teleport to Earth without the Motherboxes... what did you kill so many innocents to steal them ...?"

>Steppenwolf: "I did it.... TO SAVE TIME! MUAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH!"

Yea this will be great.

>>94729917
>>94730194
> There's destruction and then there's Snyder's destruction where he just lingers and lingers and fucking lingers on the explosions and the buildings falling
Your full of fucking shit.
He only did that with Wayne Tower because it was meant to be a monumental point of view shot for Bruce & the humans powerless below.
He didn't linger on it barely at all in Mos.

Bay is a billion times worse about it because his explosions are pointless & have no visual weight going on. They don't effect characters human or otherwise they are just cheap pyrotechnics going off. Snyder makes his characters feel the destruction from Perry & Lombard trying to save Jenny to Clark being visually on his face being frustrated as fuck with Doomsday kicking him across the landscape.

>>94728064
>all changes to make a good movie
>meanwhile,/co/
>waaah wheres deathstroke
>waaah why couldnt we see darkseid doing a cliche villain action
>waaah wonder woman kills steppenwolf
Kill yourselves retards. You deserve to have such shitty movies. Joss wheadon has changed a horrendous movie into a mediocre one.
Also,wonder woman killing steppenwolf was added because of the success of her movie. Get used to WW being the most important member of the league.

>Superman pussying out of a battle where his friends and humanity might get exterminated
how did they pick Snyder to direct superman again?

>>94731165
What the actual fuck is wrong with you?
How the fuck can you even rationalize the psychotic notion that Superman saving the entire human race from extinction makes him unheroic because a city was being destroyed at the exact same time.

You are literally fucking brain damaged.
No version of Superman since the bat shit insane 40s-60s has been able to multiply himself at will, IT'S NOT FUCKING POSSIBLE FOR SUPERMAN TO BE IN 2 PLACES AT ONCE. HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT FACT DAMAGE HIS HEROISM?

>>94731165
>>94733671
And what do you mean 3 times in a row? He took Doomsday into space Immediately upon the 1st time he got thrown into a building.
And then took a NUCLEAR MISSILE TO THE FACE without hesitation.
He did exactly what you fuckers said he should have done with Zod and yet YOUR STILL FUCKING BITCHING.

>>94733567
>Steppenwolf: "I did it.... TO CONQUER TIME! MUAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH!"

>>94733667
>superman taking a break from the battle because he wants to see his family before the final fight
Thank you Wheadon

>>94728009
>kidnapping scientists
This is fucking stupid. Literally only reason is to move the plot forward

>>94733667
Should they have brought it closer to JLU?
https://youtu.be/XwU0QkcrNVQ
https://youtu.be/wasAQW5BfaI
Not so much how it'll end but the characterization?

>>94730848
Can be said about any non-action frame in any superhero movie.

As the other anon said he feels responsible for a cripple man being so broken he committed suicide. And he tells lois later he was caught of guard. God for bid the guy think a multitude of thoughts for a fuckign moment from "fuck all these people are dead, fuck I may have caused this, fuck now I look like a terrorist, fuck why wasn't just as paranoid as the guy I'm pitted against in this movie so that I can just expect everything at every second, fuck it smelt like piss i think lex might have pissed in that cup."

>>94728064
>Lex Luthor, Henry Allen, Deathstroke, Darkseid entirely cut.

Nuts. I'd have liked to see all of them except Eisenberg.

If the Knightmare scene isn't explained (why would they though), maybe current Flash can meet Knightmare Flash when he's changing the timeline in Flashpoint

>Abin Sur
>In pre-historic times

But that's not right.

>>94728009
>>94728023
>>94728064
Sounds fucking terrible so it must be real

Can DC just fucking die already?

>>94733970
He's really old.

>>94733671
Because he didn't actually save metropolis. Metropolis was dust by the end of man of steel and it'd be pretty hilarious to try and argue that no one died from any of that destruction. Instead of trying to remove zod from the city superman fights him by throwing him through buildings.

>>94733985
despite me being sick of you fucking shills I don't want Marvel to die. I just want them to stop being mean and paying shills to bully DC fans online.

>>94734097
though a large portion of downtown was destroyed this is like saying Manhattan is NYC. Or that Hollywood is LA.

Not sure how to feel about these changes, if true. Some are really good, particularly the Superman one. I love the idea that he'd go tell the people he loves that he's okay in person.

Some of the other ideas...no Darkseid, beam of light into the sky, Cyborg rallying the League with a football metaphor, WW taking out Steppenwolf I dislike

>>94734101
>I just want them to stop being mean and paying shills to bully DC fans online.

Imagine being this silly.

>>94734097
>metropolis was dust.
>the only buildings that were totalled were skyscrapers along a single block and in 18 months the city goes back to normal.

>>94730099

Yes, but they had a full menagerie of heroes.

He has no excuse for not being able to beat some humans and slightly-stronger-than-humans, with one GL.

>>94734377
anon. Even the main stream news recognizes ghost profiles and shills as a problem online. It isn't a secret. It's cheap. 10 paid posters can appear to be an army.

the fact that anyone on 4chan, any of the boards, could be so ignorant is honestly a bit unbelievable. Either you're pretty young, to the internet at large, or you're literally a shill yourself.

>>94734796
why would anyone shill on 4chan of all places when you have places like twitter or reddit where you have far better ways of brigading and making yourself look larger?

>>94734722
If the WW movie didn't just go and kill the gods off like that, they could have helped

>>94734816
When did I say they didn't?

>>94734796
Let's say you're right. Wouldn't it be better to just debate and disprove their points? Instead of calling out everyone who disagrees with you.

Because right now you sound like all those idiots calling people fascists for no reason.

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>>94734097
> Because he didn't actually save metropolis.
Yes and that's fine he saved the entire human race otherwise, once again HE CAN NOT BE IN 2 PLACES AT ONCE!
(And actually he saved the majority of it only like a 8th of the city was in that crater)
> and it'd be pretty hilarious to try and argue that no one died from any of that destruction
No one is even remotely doing so.
That still has no barring on his heroism.
> Instead of trying to remove zod from the city
Pic related he punched him right to the edge of downtown trying to go out away from the skyscrapers but on the last punch he hit Zod too far which allowed the general to swerve back into the city and hide among the buildings.
> superman fights him by throwing him through buildings
He didn't punch/throw him into a single building in Metropolis. Worst thing he did was collide with him alongside 1 building leaving a crater & then dragged his face through windows as a spontaneous reaction to being punched into the building opposite.

>>94728064
This actually sounds like it made a mess of a movie into something more coherent and watchable. Though it sounds mediocre as fuck.

900m in the box office.

>>94734909
I literally did that and was called silly. What point is there to debate in greentexts followed by "I want DC to die" or whatever the faggot said?

this is shill behavior honestly. Try to make the person who called the shill out look like a shill. It's nothing like calling a valid president and his supporters fascists.

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>>94733985
Soon, anon. Soon

>>94728064
>Steppenwolf's demisse is changed. Originally he'd be beamed back to Apokolips by Cyborg and executed by Darkseid for faiIing to conquer Earth. Now Wonder Woman will punch him into the Harvester's beam and disintegrate him.

This is pretty annoying. I know that killing the subordinate for failure is kinda cliché, but the difference between a cliché villain and a good one is presentation. They could have introduced any number of concepts around Darkseid to emphasize that he's not just an evil alien overlord but but the literal God of Evil.

>>94735509
yeah soon when JUSTass League becomes the biggest bomb in history

>>94735586
Better for him to let him live with the shame

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>>94735601
Can't wait!

>>94728009
>>94728023
>>94728064
Jesus, this is a mess. I'm getting some serious Fant4stic vibes from all of this. Maybe we should have just gone with Justice League Mortal. I mean, Joss is clearly working with garbage, and it sounds like he's making it more cohesive and structured, but was clearly given shit to work with. The final product is not going to be that good and Whedon knows it. It might be "eh" at the very best, and he'll get criticized for that, too. Hiring Whedon was an attempt to fix a mistake, but the mistake was made in 2013, not with this film.

I think it's wise of DC to invest in Flashpoint to fix this (if that's what they'll do with it), but even then, I still don't see any hope for this universe's cast, tone, and the visual appearance. The DCEU needs to be temporarily shut down and re-considered. It's as simple as that. They need to understand where it went wrong beyond merely "being dark" which they said is their main problem, coupled with "actually deconstructing heroes". They think they need to be fun and quippy, because audiences don't want reconstructions or dark, thought-provoking characters.

The truth, however, is we do -- just not like we've been given. People didn't like Man of Steel not because it was a deconstruction, but because it tried too hard to be one despite missing many points of the character. Man of Steel should have been brighter because that's what Superman is. Sure, you can be realistic and have him kill his villains and be reckless to destruction he causes...but that's not what people want to see Superman doing. They want to seem him be Superman. And if you say, "well that's not orginal", then screw you, man! You can have an original take that's faithful if you really want to. It's 100% possible to do it. Man of Steel would've been better if it weren't about Superman. It's clear as that. And because of the Universe matching it's tone, it'll always feel off.

>>94735676
>Domestic

>>94735722
>clear cut, straight forward plot
>LMAO WHAT A MESS
No one gives a fuck about Superman friend, that's why they tried a new take on the character,

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>>94728064
I'm okay with all of this. I was expecting to hate Justice League, but this sounds like I might actually enjoy it quite a bit.

TYBJ

>>94728605
His DCYou solo was pretty good and his Rebirth series is also pretty cool, though admittedly blander than the DCYu stuff since back then he at least hanged out with the Metal Men and Shazam.

>>94730152
And punching someone into a big exploding thing is a generic hero boss defeat trope

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>>94735676
>$312433331 in 2010 has the same purchasing power as $349,548,206.88 in 2017.

>>94735722
Busiek and Immonen's Secret Identity is the kind of realistic deconstruction that works

>>94735722
> I'm getting some serious Fant4stic vibes from all of this.
Your fucking delusional. Nothing about this sounds a billionth as bad as that.

>>94735722
> missing many points of the character
It didn't miss any points of the character.
Every single aspect of him was intact just more subdued & subtle except for public speaking.
> and be reckless to destruction he causes
That never happened.

>>94735722
>I'm getting some serious Fant4stic vibes from all of this
Not as serious as the Marrvel shill vibes I got from your post, I'm sure

>>94736641
>It didn't miss any points of the character.
>mopey
>doesn't really want to be the hero
>becomes Superman because that's what Jor-El intended, not because he genuinely wanted to save people
>is good just because, not because that's how he is raised

>>94736692
>this is going to be as bad as that bad marvel movie
>SHIIIILL ALERT SHIIILL ALERT MOUSEKETERS GO AWAY REEE
kek, the absolute state of dc friends: the post

>>94736692
I could go on about Marvel too. Trust me. They piss me off far more. I didn't bring up because it wasn't relevant to the thread as much, but yeah -- the MCU is a fucking mess. It's been blown completely out of proportion. It's first films in it's first phase were not that good. The Incredible Hulk was mediocre trash, no one gave a shit about Thor, and Captain America wouldn't have had as much attention given to it if they didn't call it the first avenger. The only reason the MCU and it's rapidly declining quality is stuill here is due to the rand feeding into idiotic wants by casual audiences. Ever since The Avengers, everythin went to shit being far too connected to any other movie. Its all trash. They're just edgy kids movies now. They've become caricatures of what the characters truly are and they've practically helped ruin their comics as much as their comics division has ruined itself. The MCU has not only killed Cinema as we know it (and seemingly for the worst at the moment) but comics as well. If Marvel dies, so does the industry. The MCU is to blame for the declining quality in comics all across the board, same with movies.

>>94732332
Even outside of this likely false rumors, it has been reported that some of Whedon's changes are to make this movie more standalone. So, they won't end it teasing a villain from a sequel that won't happen for years now.

>>94736748
>>not because he genuinely wanted to save people
YES HE FUCKING DOES.
That is why he did it for fucking years despite his worst fears of causing more harm then good.
That is why he was arguing with his dad right before the tornado scene.

He was raised to be good. Pa was deeply concerned society would be damaged by the revolutions of aliens existing & that was why he tried to restrain Clark not because he didn't value life.

>>94736832
Then how come he didn't become Superman right away, and wandered the world aimlessly for god knows how long instead?

>>94734284
>Some of the other ideas...no Darkseid, beam of light into the sky, Cyborg rallying the League with a football metaphor, WW taking out Steppenwolf I dislike
No Darkseid can be a blessing if it means we're not getting a Snyder-fied Darkseid. I wonder who they casted as him or maybe they might recast him if it was a shitty choice or something.

Beam of light in the sky fucking sucks and it's cliche.

Cy rallying the league with a football metaphor could be good. If it means we're getting Teen Titans "BOOYAH!," Cyborg, I'm cool with that.

WW taking out Steppenwolf is something that I think we need to wait and see about. It sounds like something shoehorned in because of WW's success but it might be executed well for all we know.

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>>94728064
>Additional scene of Superman saving Metropolis from the Harvester's effects and reassuring the people that everything will be fine.

It's like Whedon hasn't been paying attention!

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>>94732654
that's how it is in the old comics

>>94728064
>Not having Steppenwolf return to Apokalips failed, and Darkseid letting Granny Goodness "tenderly care for him" while Steppenwolf begs to die instead

Gay

>>94736932
Because he was very clearly searching for what he was before trying to go change the world.
Birthright Clark did the exact same thing, but it just took him less time.

>>94729814
Shut the fuck up you little bitch

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>>94728064
>Cyborg's subplot is altered. Rather than doubt himself and be reassured by Batman, Cyborg is the one who rallies the League using a football metaphor that later inspires the team's name.

>>94735747

Pacific Rim vs Grown Ups shows that is all that matters

>>94737229
Whedon doesn't care about Superman he has even said it himself that he finds the character boring.

>>94731248
So that's it, huh? We some kind of National Football League?

>>94728009
How does Superman come back? Does he just poof back in without an explanation?

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>>94728475

These "leaked spoilers" are fun and all but what are examples of these threads telling at least 80% of the truth

>>94730349
and yet this is the first he's ever looked so alien. superman is also an alien. he looks human. your argument is bad and so are you.

>>94728220
Yup

Perfect honestly

>>94737229
Worked for Jenkins

>>94736932
Because Jesus didn't begin his mission until he was 33.

>>94733583
You're a hypocrite. That "visual weight and consequence" bullshit you're praising is exactly what we're talking about. It's destruction porn.

>>94728397
>when does Superman start to sack up
>saves humanity four times in Man of Steel
Bruh.

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Daily reminder that WB executives unironically though producing a rapebaby between Snyder and Joss Whedon was a good idea.

>>94728009
>Steppenwolf's mission is to harvest planets with a machine that drains natural resources and beams them up to Apokolips through a portal created by three ancient Mother Boxes.

Blue laser shooting up into the sky confirmed!

>>94728064
So Whedon pretty much saved this movie?

>>94741677
As much as he saved Age of Ultron.

>>94741707
t. Nostradamus

>>94741735
It's Joss Whedon, he has never done anything good.

BASED WHEDON SAVING DC KINOMATIC UNIVERSE FROM SHITTY SNYDER

>>94729234
>And how, pray tell, is Batman suppose to prevent it? Build an anto-Boomtube shield around Earth and teleport to each instance of parademon sighting in a blink of an eye?


Of course. Batman IS canonically proven to always have ALL the answers to ALL situations absolutely ALL the time. DC never passes up the chance to show that their flagship character is infallible. So coming up with such measures would naturally be easy for him to do. He's canonically perfect and is never shown to be wrong.

He DID effortlessly defeat Superman in BvS after all.

>>94729336

>>I will destroy you!

Why can't they ever just say "I'll kill you!"

>>94733442
Blame Snyder. He's the one that came up with the stupid "super special Mother Boxes" crap. Apparently originally they were simply used to Boom Tube his entire army to Earth or something like that. At least now it's not quite as stupid as that.

>>94731267

>>Empathy? What's that?

Have your own child kill his or herself, then. And see just how fucking chipper YOUR mood becomes.

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sounds boring

Thor Ragnarok will destroy this movie with their more likeable characters and hype plot.

>>94743447
>Have your own child kill his or herself, then. And see just how fucking chipper YOUR mood becomes.
That still changes nothing about how Snyder makes films. Certainly no one is saying Snyder makes bad films BECAUSE his daughter killed herself. He was already doing that way before.

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I can't help but wonder why the people behind the Dccu chose to focus their team movie on a build up to Darkseid, and not only that, a build up to Darkseid without any contrasting fourth world elements, for example highfather, mr. miracle and new genesis.

If indeed these leaks are true and Darkseid has been more or less removed from the film, I can kind of understand why; he will, ironically, appear to be a total rip-off of Thanos, who has has been coming in the Mcu since 2012.

I mean the fourth world in general could be brought into the universe in a much more interesting way, or at least in such a way that makes it distinctive from the what marvel has already done with Thanos.

I understand that all comic-book characters are a little bit derivative, but seriously audiences are not going to give a shit about not-thanos aka darkseid, especially with the completely bland and boring visual style of the Dccu films.

I prefer DC and have a special place in my heart for the fourth world, but my god I could not care less about darkseid appearing in these already trash films that are almost all rushed executions of an already shaky initial idea.

It's kind of like galactus in that fantastic four movie where he was just a big cloud. Because it's safer to do that than a big purple guy in a chair the size of a planet.

The people making these movies, in their hearts, are afraid of the high craziness of comics. That's why we ended up with a movie about superman that visually looks like fucking blade runner in terms of tone and color palette.

A more interesting choice for a justice league movie, even in keeping with the tone of the films so far, would have been something like final crisis; darkseid and lieutenants slowly pushing their way though to earth with secret facilities, start out gritty and gradually have the heroes uncovering more and more alien and fantastic bases culminating in them narrowly preventing darkseid from taking root in a host body.

>>94728009
>>94728023
>>94728064
/Co/ actually believes this sourceless bull shit.
Good job /co/. We really are the stupidest board.

>>94744240
>look at me, it's my first day on /co/

Good job retard. You truly are the stupidest newfaggot.

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>>94744032
I fucking hope we get a proper New Gods movie by George Miller.

The problem is, while the Fourth World mythos is extremely rich in material, WB has already been beaten to the punch by Marvel with Thanos. They even have Gamora and Nebula having a sort of Orion and Kalibak relationship, which I really fucking hate, because plebs are going to immediately act like WB is just ripping off Marvel for that shit. At least they still have Mr. Miracle if they wanted a different angle with Orion.

Anyway, I think it's great that Darkseid is being pulled from the movie, because honestly, starting the Justice League franchise off with the New Gods was always a shitty idea that showed fear on the part of WB because it just seemed like they were desperate to play catch up to Marvel. Not only that, but the New Gods have to be handled with care. Steppenwolf is looking pretty generic, but while I think they no business starting off with Fourth World shit, Steppenwolf himself has never been a huge character. If after JL, they show that they actually respect the Fourth World and give us Kirby-esque takes on the characters, with all their corniness and goofiness intact, then I'll be very happy.

The New Gods honestly deserve their own movie franchise. They deserved a bigger buildup. What they've given us so far has been sloppy as fuck.

>>94733207
Any villain that can threaten Superman (like Brainiac) is one that the league would take notice of and contribute against if at all possible.

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So, how much money do you suppose it's going to make? If Wonder Woman had been a failure I think it would have been a surefire bomb, but instead Wonder Woman was both a critical and a commercial success, which I figure has gotten the DCEU at least a little goodwill going forward. I no longer think it's going to be a Battlefield Earth-tier bomb. But I bet it still underperforms like BvS did.

>>94733207
They can do what the MCU did and have Brainiac be primarily a Superman film villain but still show up in Justice League after the first time he's beaten.

>>94734956
>less profit than Wonder Woman, Iron Man 3, Deadpool, and Spider-Man Memecoming

If this film actually does only do $900 million on a $415 million overall budget (I assume it'll be similar to BVS's $250m production + $165m marketing) then the DCEU may as well just sudoku now.

>>94735722
>Man of Steel should have been brighter because that's what Superman is.

Dude. It's not the 1950's anymore. It's a darker, grimmer world out there today. Corporations running everything. Evil people in America's highest political offices. The world isn't gumdrops and gosh golly gee whiz and goody two shoes anymore. And it's only going to get worse, not better. Don't you get it?

Superman should reflect the bleak, hopeless times we have no choice but to live in today. Trying to pretend otherwise is being dishonest

>>94736832
>YES HE FUCKING DOES.

He did a shitty job of it, then. And him killing Zod pretty much threw everything Superman stood for out the window. Superman always finds a way to save everyone. Always.

>>that was why he tried to restrain Clark not because he didn't value life.

No, it's pretty clear that he didn't care about others. When Clark asked him if he should have let them die, Pa practically told him yes. Any answer to that other than "no" essentially is saying yes.

Quit making excuses for that piece of shit film.

>>94737348

No, Metropolis is in Rhode Island and Gotham is in New Jersey, according to the Official Atlas of the DC Universe

>>94744865

Look at Mattel's JL movie figures. They look seriously depressed.

>>94743231
marvel fanboy

>>94745461

>implying it isn't the DC fans getting steamed that Mother Boxes are being turned into Egg MacGuffins for no reason at all

>>94728359

I hope it's fake because the climax feels way too similar to MOS.

>>94728009
>>94728064

I call bullshit on OP.

I can understand cutting out Lex and deathstroke but the original ending sounds so much better. Also batman inspiring cyborg sounds so much better too but I guess white dude inspiring a black dude is racist. Oh and MoS is better than Thor/ incredible Hulk and BVS UE is better than civil barfight with the boring villain. And people complain about Jesse Lex, pfff. Suicide Squad is turrible though. What did WB do to David Ayer?

>>94745035
Luthor fulfills all of those things. Superman is about hope that there is better. You can have a dark, terrible world and still have a shining, hopeful hero.

Superman is supposed to reflect the goodness in humanity despite all of its faults. He doesn't necessarily have to win all the time if you need it to be cynical but he doesn't have to be a mopey bastard about it.

>>94745196
>Superman always finds a way to save everyone.

I'm sick and tired of having to explain this to people. Zod even says during the fight, "there's two ways this ends: You die, or I do". Any normal screenwriter would only write that line so that the protagonist could come up with a third option, and any decent director would see that line as bait.

But Goyer and Snyder aren't either of those.

>>94748090
>multiple choice question
>circle outside the box
>this is what passes for movie scripts.

>>94748090
I can't figure out if you're endorsing them or not.

>>94748562
It's funny because Snyder said it was based on a scenario that's literally "the hero chooses a third option". So he gets Superman about as well as he gets Star Trek.

>>94745196
>Superman always finds a way to save everyone. Always.
Mary Sueman does, but that's not Superman. In fact it's this retarded notion that's the reason so many evil Superman stories occur.

>>94744858
Nope, fuck that. If other heroes aren't going to show up in Batman's film to kick Joker's ass and send him back to Arkham, I don't want them stealing Superman's villains.

>>94747124
>Also batman inspiring cyborg
Fuck that I'm tired of every piece of media having everyone suck Batman's dick.

>>94728023
>Superman's subplot is altered. Rather than flee from Metropolis due to self-doubt, he does it to see Lois and Martha and let them know he's fine before immediately joining the battle.

>self-doubt
I'm glad that this was changed. Tired of mopey Superman, fuck.

I'm worried that the movie was going to basically be Final Crisis and it was going to get full blown comicy and dark and crazy and now I will no longer get that

Instead I'm going to get more guffaws from Aquaman, awkward Flash lines, and Batman will smile entirely too much

Fuck all y'all, I liked most of Dawn of Justice, though I did watch the full director's cut the first time I saw it, but Jessie Eisenberg needs to go, immediately.

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>>94728064
>Superman's subplot is altered. Rather than flee from Metropolis due to self-doubt, he does it to see Lois and Martha and let them know he's fine before immediately joining the battle.
Additional scene of Superman saving Metropolis from the Harvester's effects and reassuring the people that everything will be fine.

>mfw the real Superman finally arrives in the DCEU

>>94749454
I blame Zack the Hack, not Jesse. His Mark Zuckerberg would actually have made for a pretty good modern reinterpetation of Lex Luthor, but for some reason he had to also be an LOL WACKY SO RANDUMB XD autist.

>>94736932
>Then how come he didn't become Superman right away
Did your retarded ass not read the part about fearing society would be damaged by the revelations of Aliens existing?

>>94749580
Gotta disagree here, it was a classic case of overacting. Too atypical, frenetic, less calculating and more opportunistic and lucky that ship didn't vaporize him as an intruder. He did have some good moments, like immediately after talking to Steppenwolf, being twitching mad but also knowing. But then he has to ruin it by doing that retarded "ring ring! ring ring! ring ring...!", etc etc

>>94745196
>No, it's pretty clear that he didn't care about others
If that was true he would not have immediately followed up the "mabye" line stressing the point about how much aliens existing would effect the world & not in a positive way.
He would not have made clear this wasn't about selfishness.
His exact words...
> "there is more at stake here then our lives or the lives of those around us"

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>Eisenberg cut from the movie entirely

>Man of Steel 2 comes out with new director
>Clark meets bald, suave businessman in his mid to late forties
>"I don't believe we've met. I'm Lex Luthor Sr."

>>94749697
You can blame some on overacting but the script itself seemed to push towards that interpretation. Again, Jesse CAN do a more laid back supervillain, but he didn't for some reason, I suspect director interference.

>>94745196
>Superman always finds a way to save everyone. Always
1 - Hippolyta during our worlds at war.
2 - Lois's father during it.
3 - The 30-ish dead lining the street right before pic related.
4 - The entire fucking point of Pa Kent's heart attack is the hammer in the fact that he CAN NOT save everyone.
5 - There is a panel from I don't know what issue with Clark reading obituaries every day to ponder those he could not save.

>>94749097
Joker is beneath their notice. If Brainiac beats Superman, then everyone's fucked anyway.

>>94745196
>And him killing Zod pretty much threw everything Superman stood for out the window...
>Saving 8 BILLION people throws out everything Superman stands for...

>>94749634
>Did your retarded ass not read the part about fearing society would be damaged by the revelations of Aliens existing?
That never made sense. He wasn't the only alien out there, so the priority is get Earth prepared for the dangers ASAP. Clark is in no position to prevent aliens from appearing on Earth, and there is zero signs that he did anything to prepare Earth for aliens.

Worst of all, there is no signs point to Earth ever being "ready" for aliens. Clark claim that Earth isn't ready, but then did nothing to help Earth being ready. Aliens exist, so it is important to get Earth prepared. But Clark did nothing until Zod showed up.

>>94745196
>>94749827

Not to mention the untold number that Superboy/Superman-Prime killed

He couldn't even save Superboy