Well this episode sure got relevant again fast.

>>94717928
how

>>94717928
>>>/pol/

>>94717928
I remember that episode, it was great.

>>94717928
because the confederate flag thing?
people have been bitching anout tht for years man, this is nothing new

>>94717928
Hiya /pol/fag, wanna defend the actions of a domestic terrorist on /co/?

>>94717928
I think it is racist but it is part of the history.

>>94718066
But he wasn't talking about an Antifa riot, or a BLM member sniping cops from a parking garage.

>>94717953
Lots of people are getting in a tizzy over statues in the South of Confederate icons. That's what the rally in Charlottesville was ostensibly about, but there are lots of other instances of statues being vandalized and even torn down.

>>94718081
Several Antifa riots

>>94718099
Why does the alt left think behaving like ISIS will bring people to their side?

Yeah......real life is beyond parody now.

>>94718142
You're implying they think before they act.

>>94718142
Are we really gonna start referring them as alt-left? Do they even fit on that side of the spectrum?

>>94718142

Some of these folks do believe what they are doing is right.

And you cannot say much to convince them otherwise no matter how wrong they are.

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>>94718168
They're Communists.

>>94718142
>neo-nazi crashes car into crowd EXACTLY like Muslim terrorists in Europe
>this is somehow an alt-left thing
Look I'm sorry that the Daily Stormer got taken offline but fuck off to some other website

>>94718168
I'm left wing myself and have always refered to SJW as alt-left since the alt-right became a thing.
They're extremists that don't represent traditional leftist values in any way.

>>94718205
>Talking about the taking down of statues
>LOLDUDE SOME GUY CRASHES HISCAR
What is reading comprehension?

they should take down all confederate statues, i don't know why we're celebrating traitors

>>94718236
Keep backpedaling man, it's about history, not about what the statues stand for right, surely referencing a satirical show aimed for children will help the neo-nazi cause. Shadilay and fuck niggers right.

>>94718081
Wasn't BLM, unfortunately for your narrative. BLM's problem is it's too schizophrenic of a movement, plus people can just yell black lives matter and be considered part of that movement despite not actually sharing the tenants on the official website.

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>>94718254

>>94718066
Ever since bullshit like The Patriot Act got passed, the criteria to be a domestic terrorist has gotten... abstract.
So if you think someone who never even planned on running a bunch of people over was trying to inflict terror on people, be my guest.

Antifa is a domestic terrorist group.

>>94718292
Can't you read? Some Anons were talking about the tearing down of the statues and how it's how ISIS tearing down historical monuments and some Anon started talking about the Charoltesville car thing. Also History is dark and grim are we supposed to remove all of it because it doesn't appeal to the people? The lives we live now is paved with blood.

>>94718186
And the problem with them is that they get away with shit. How many times have mayors ordered police to stand down so those fucks can do as they pleased? Berkeley had enough of that shit after the first riot, thats why right wingers decided to take it in their own hands. Charlottesville mayor did the same shit and look what happened. It wouldn't have escalated had that not happened.

>>94717928
>/pol/

>>94717928
IDK, imagine living in a town where everyone wants it removed, and then some chucklefuck nazis from everywhere else came and demanded you didnt do that even though it's your town. As far as I am concerned as someone born and lived there all my life, any , relatively minor, violence they got in return is justified on this practically armed and literally lethal invasion on our innocent and idealic town/small city

And that is not something South Park touched on in this episode

lighting the monk on fire always kills me

I keep forgetting how /pol/ 4chan is and it sucks

nazi cunts fuck off

>>94717928
SOUTH PARK DID IT

>>94718358
This. Also while I don't agree with the Nazi flag shit how is it acceptable to burn American flags? Media goes apeshit over Nazi/confederate flags but burning of the Us flag is a okay because freedom of speech but that same freedom doesn't extend to Nazi flags? Burning flags of my country gets your ass thrown in jail.

>>94718368
I thought the mayor removed it without asking anyone what they think?

>>94717953
Everyone is making it a race thing, even if the thing wasn't meant to be a race thing, they're making it a race thing. Then they make it so much of a race thing, the KKK latches onto it and makes it even more of a race thing.

>>94718404
No, they asked and majority of the town was undecided on the issue that's why the debate they had, had weight.

>>94718349
Ok man, this thread totally has no reference at all to the riots in Charlottesville, the tearing down of confederate statues, and likening black protestors to Islamic extremists in the hopes of changing the narrative on quite literal neo-nazis murdering protesters, it's all super coincidental. That's totally not why you're posting from your phone in the hopes of evading bans, you neo-nazi faggot.

>>94718300
>people can just yell black lives matter and be considered part of that movement despite not actually sharing the tenants on the official website
What, so you're saying it's not enough to have beliefs to follow to be part of the movement, you have to give their members a place to crash too? What's next, giving them blood?

>>94718404
No, we pretty much all wanted it or at least were ambivalent and there had been much discussion for a long time

>>94718368
>practically armed and literally lethal invasion on our innocent and idealic town/small city
Marching to a statue and saying "we like the statue, we don't like Jews" is not an invasion.

It's hard to find someone defending the murderer, but plenty are defending the antifa thugs.

The statue isn't even historical it was put up within the century, purposefully placed overlooking black communities, for the sake of keeping the 'white america' dream alive.

>>94718368
>DK, imagine living in a town where everyone wants it removed, and then some chucklefuck nazis from everywhere else came and demanded you didnt do that even though it's your town.
Well, since the Occupy Wallstreet riots, a lot of people that were starting shit were from out state. Oregon and Washington need to fuck out of California, hard enough with the idiots we got here.

>>94718396
Because the media likes to sensationalise shit.

>>94718380
>anyone i disagree with is a nazi

>>94718168
I prefer the ctrl-left label myself, but it will never catch on.

>>94718422
If you're gonna reply pls don't reply with a straw man, it makes you seem dumb not that you aren't but you should at least strive to look smart.

>>94718503
Haaaaa, good one

>history is relative
>we're on the right side of it
Make up your minds, libtards.

>got relevant again fast
>fast

It came out 17 years ago

deaths after blm riots: zero

deaths after neo-nazi riots: 3

fuck nazis

Man the mods are really crushin it today

>>94718493

you're right white supremacist is more accurate, these people don't care about germany

>>94718412
>Confederate monuments aren't a race thing

/pol/'s IQ is in the single digits.

>>94717928
fucking drumpfel whiteskins

>>94718546
only if they're cute

>>94718546

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Baton_Rouge_police_officers

>>94718566
Confederate states were a part of US history, it really isn't a race thing if it was should we erase all US presidents who owned slaves? erase Thomas Jefferson from history? where does it start and stop?

The Democratic party was the pro-slavery, pro-secession party which is why the modern examples are keen to destroy reminders.

>>94718562
Anyone who believes in white privilege is secretly white supremacist, honestly. When you take the dumb movement away from white supremacy, it's just bullshit they teach in every university about whites vs everyone else.

>>94718608

All that shit should just be put into museums where most people will never see them. Someday we'll be able to stop talking about the Civil War and forget it ever happened, and that will be a good day. Thinking about things like that is too stressful.

>>94718647
Right I remember that political parties are actually run by the ghosts of their founders and are forever unchanging organizations.

>>94718608
>Confederate states were a part of US history

Confederate states are part of HISTORY, not explicitly US history. The second they seceded, they gave up that privilege. Anyways, most of that shit was erected during Jim Crow, not the Civil War.

>>94718608
you're retarded if you don't understand the difference between erasing vs not venerating the past.
or you're trolling.

>>94718608
Oh, so I guess Germany should start hanging up nazi flags and make new statues of hitler, because, you know, it's history?

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Why doesn't Batman just rape a nazi?

>>94718710
This is some revisionism right here, did you forget they became part of the US of A again?

>>94718690
I know you're baiting but holy fuck please die

>>94718716
You can't rape dead people

>>94718608
The difference is Thomas Jefferson and George Washington's slavery was a passive byproduct of an era where that was the norm and were active fighters for our modern nation whereas the Confederacy actively fought to keep slavery and tear our country apart.

>>94718752
>What is the 3rd Reich.

>>94718716
He probably did during the WW3 storytline

>>94718608
I'm of the mind that it's fucking stupid to have monuments of rebels that failed to secede, but that the statues should be relocated into museums not destroyed.

>>94718168
/pol/ was losing their collective shit when Trump condemened racists but the alt-left thing make them feel validated, like deep down their guy support them. They see Trump as their dad or something

>>94718729
Did you forget that they stopped being a Confederacy when that happened?

>>94718600
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers
Above all, this. Fucking died while protecting the people protesting against them. Dallas chapter BLM is the worst because they kept wanting to hold rally days and weeks afterwards against the cops after the shooting

>>94718690
>forget it ever happened, and that will be a good day
I know you might be baiting but holy shit that stupid

>>94718784
Still part of US history or do you think that when we were only 13 colonies that wasn't US history?

>>94718694
Either Democrats are responsible for past acts or white people aren't.

They want to have their cake and eat it too.

>>94718168
Who's "them", even? The alt-left is literally just Trump slapping half of "alt-right" on whatever the opposite of "right" is. It's a purposefully vague, wishy washy opposition to the alt-right made to justify his retarded "Let's blame all sides for this one guy driving his car through the people who hated" statement. He doesn't know what he means, and his supporters don't actually know either, but they'll be happy to give fifty different answers about who it COULD mean. Soros plants, Antifa, BLM, Muslims.

>>94718694
That might make a good South Park episode

>>94718836
>He doesn't know what he means, and his supporters don't actually know either,
He means masked thugs swinging clubs committed and are also to blame for violence.

>>94718826
>Either Democrats are responsible for past acts or white people aren't.
That sure is an ultimatum that has nothing to do with the conversation. I never said anything about all whites being responsible for their past. And how is a political organization similar to a race? You're such a fucking tool for making this comment, jesus christ.

>>94718608

The founding fathers owned slaves because that's what rich businessmen did in order to keep making money, george washington even specified in his will that his slaves be freed when he died. The civil war was one side fighting to have the right to have slaves.

>>94718864
They're not to blame for the guy running his fucking car into a fucking crowd. You just don't want to accept responsibility for your whole fucking rhetoric, every fucking day it's "race war" this and "race war" that and "we have to be ready for violence" and then when the consequences actually come down on you you put out a video where you fucking cry like a baby to the police. Fuck off.

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>Stupid nigger can't get over slavery. Come on, it ended more than 150 years ago
>SOUTHERN PRIDE! THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN! NEVER FORGET!

>>94718530
And it was irrelevant until recently, than it got relevant fast.

>>94718900
>They're not to blame for the guy running his fucking car into a fucking crowd.
Hence "both sides".

>>94718729
After we beat their fucking asses and forced them to, yeah.

>>94718836
Alt-right is used because it's a convenient term that encompasses anyone whose political views seem "alt-right"ish. Alt-left is kind of the same thing. It's just referring to "you know, THOSE people" rather than a specific group.

>>94718836

>Who's "them", even?

Antifa, BAMN, and similar groups.

>It's a purposefully vague, wishy washy opposition to the alt-right

I'm still not even sure what the Alt-Right even is despite everyone talking about it all the time, so it sounds like both terms could stand to have a greater degree of clarification.

>>94718694
all must pay for the sins of their father

>>94718873
>That sure is an ultimatum that has nothing to do with the conversation.
It explains one reason Democrats are eager to get rid of reminders of their party's past; it contradicts attempts to browbeat whites into loyal voting and donations.

>>94718836
Well, it wouldn't had happened had the neo nazis just been left alone, have their little rally and be done with the day. But, no, idiots had to go out there and try to prove something obvious by inciting violence. AND, had the mayor allowed law enforcement to intervene and do their fucking job, it wouldn't have escalated to that point.

>>94718929
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html?m=1

>>94718319
>dumbass yokels declare war on their own nation to own other people
>get crushed like the retards that they are.
>"whoa mane, they wuz just trying to protect their livelihoods n sheeit"

>>94718205
>bernout uses an AK to mow down elected officials
Just like my sandimes

>>94718836
If it were soros plants, antifa, BLM, or muslims, they wouldn't need a new label. Alt-left is a collective term for the worst of those and other similar groups.

>>94718503
I'm partial to delete-center, since it seems everyone's pushing each other further into extremes and the center is going away in a wake of stupidity.

>>94718824
Not that guy, but the idea that monuments are neutral beacons of history is pretty dumb considering the how and why the statues are there in the first place. You can be very aware of a serial killer without giving them the honor of a statue in a park named after them.

>>94718608
fuck off trump.
Statues put up to keep niggers in their place during the 50s aren't a part of confederate history.

>>94718973
>You can be very aware of a serial killer without giving them the honor of a statue in a park named after them.
>San Francisco unveils a statue of the Zodiac Killer

>>94718969
There isn't a delete key in the center of the board you tard.

>>94718300
so is the white nationalist movement (although, the media probably paints it as a bit more schizo than it actually is) where you have people with their white supremacy bullshit getting in there, you have the actual white nationalists (you know people who feel black people and people other races deserve to have their own countries but, so do white people) , and then you have the ones that aren't into the nationalism & supremacy thing but were protesting because they're tired of hearing things like "you want to be a book author? you want to be a game designer? you want a job in IT? sorry sweetie but, you're a white male and you've been getting all of that for years you have to sit on the sidelines and watch while everyone else gets those things in the name of 'fairness'."

>>94718956
>completely ignore Northern casualites and sacrifices
Get fucked, asshole

>>94718892

>george washington even specified in his will that his slaves be freed when he died.

That did not, sadly, free the ones that belonged to his wife, which were passed on in inheritances, some of whose descendants wound up in Robert E. Lee's family. Still a good gesture.

>>94718380
And yet you're still here, so what does that say about YOU, you racist?

>>94719005
How about F-center?

>>94718205

No matter how angry rightists pretend to get at muslims, islamism is, always was and always will be a far right ideology.

>/co/
>comics and cartoons
>fifty bajillion politics threads and the ones that aren't inevitably devolve into one
nice board

>>94719034
I just want to talk about South Park

This is a fucking /pol/ thread, mods.

You're awake, because you're deleting posts, so what the fuck is going on here?

>>94718503
I prefer alt-f4, because fuck everything.

>>94717928
The episode is pretty dumb because the solution is Chef excusing ignorance rather than Chef explaining context and the kids understand in why it's offensive and being courteous. Of course they resolve with a ridiculous anti-moral; this is the show where all the men in South Park decided to gay fuck the future people out of existence rather than create a better future.

>>94719056
On a racist /pol/-filled image board? There's facebook groups and subreddits and official forums you can go to, why come to the place that's been known as a den of online racism and hackers on steroids for the last decade?

>>94719013
I was making fun of the statuefag who thinks that statues erected in the 1950s are an important part of the US' history of the civil war. You americans already preserve the battlefields of the civil war and there has been a shit ton of research done that puts the thoughts of confederates to paper.

You don't need statues of Robert E Lee to remind you of the Civil war. People keep it to masturbate to the times where they could "theoretically" own niggers.

>>94719004
Oh, that explains why I suddenly remembered that.

>>94718954

Well reading that, they actually don't sound like Nazis at all. Huh.

>>94719059
Unless you report you are a part of the problem

>>94719059
Because they don't care and serve their own selfish desires, why are you surprised?

>>94719067
>create a better future.
To be fair, that is gayer than taking cocks in the ass.

>>94719059
mod needs to fap a little.
we all have our needs.

>>94718766
It's funny, because the British were actively phasing out slavery from their empire, and looming abolition was a major reason for most southern states' participation in the Revolutionary War. There were several attempts by the british to invite slaves to join the loyalist army in exchange for freedom. Slavery was just as morally compromising in the 1770s as it was in the 1860s, the only difference is how the rhetoric around it played out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Murray,_4th_Earl_of_Dunmore#Colonial_governor_of_Virginia

>>94719093
>the hacker known as /co/

>>94718892
Robert E Lee is well known for having views more in-line with the north than the south. The only reason he fought for the south is because he lived in the south and was unwilling to go to war against his neighbors.

>>94718041
>people have been bitching anout tht for years man, this is nothing new

Hence "again"

>>94719100
Wait, what?

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>>94719009
Game designing and IT are still a very white male dominated. To be honest, that rant sounds more like pic related. You guys like to brag about meritocracy but the good spots are very competitive and to be fair, often won with ass-kissing, connections and nepotism. The point is shitposting won't change shit.

>>94719135
>was a commissioned officer in the US army
>betrayed his oath.
nah.

>>94719059
They only pay attention to people saying to delete /pol/ when you say it on /qa/, have you tried going there?

>>94718766

Depending on one's perspective, it was less about tearing the country apart and more about the right to self-governance. In the minds of many people in the South at the time they were essentially repeating the Revolutionary War, just without the ocean between them and their parent country. Unfortunately, their self-governance was predicated on the continuation of a morally abhorrent practice.

>>94719182
>>>/qa/
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>94719153
Killing your kinsmen because you signed a contract isn't loyalty, it's mercenary betrayal.

>People are defending traitors.
What the fuck is wrong with you people.

Lincoln demonstrated that he was a tired man when he just offered a blanket pardon.

That statues exist of fucking traitors who lost is insulting.

>>94719009
Deluded people with a persecution complex then.

>>94718468
I'll defend the murderer, he was a good boy, he didn't do nothing

>>94717928
So is the only mod awake the /pol/fag who bought his way onto the mod team or do they just not give a fuck anymore?

how about we just refer to the violent people on both sides as "morons" instead of acting like they're the standard

>>94719202
>swear an oath
>drop it when it's convenient.
yeah, oathbreakers are scum.
No need to lionize them in statues a hundred years later and then claim that your cheap ass concrete is a memorial of the civil war.

>>94719182
/qa/ is just as ineffective, anon.

>>94719141
I'm sure the writer of America getting work at Marvel had nothing to with her race/sexuality.

>>94719219
what?
a /pol/fag paid hiro money to buy his way in?

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>>94719193
>/jp/ still owns the board after /leftypol/ tried colonizing it, /pol/ tried counter colonizing and /vp/ made the initial weeb invasion
This is some advanced shitposting

>>94719209
Nobody's taking down the statues because he's a traitor. They're doing it because they see him as a symbol of the South in the civil war. It's just a bizarre choice that they'd target him, of all people, when he wasn't even really on-board with the slavery thing.

>>94719219
stfu conspiracy theorist

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>>94719209
You're calling men who left their farms to repel an invading army traitors. Many of these men were from families that had been in their state longer than there had been a unified American government. Many had turned down long standing careers to serve their homes when called on.

I fully believe the monuments belong in museums. But calling confederates traitors and terrorists just shows a complete ignorance about the political environment of the 19th century.

>>94719209
>People are defending infidels.
What the fuck is wrong with you people.

That ruins exist of fucking infidels who lost is insulting.

>>94719241
No, thats a boogeyman by retards who follow mod drama. Everyone just bitches instead of reporting b8 threads..

>>94719260
they target him because he is the most high profile figure of the conflict.
Just like the confederate flag wasn't the official flag of the CSA.

>>94719228

If you signed an oath and were then told to kill and/or subjugate your family, friends, and neighbors, would you? If so, you might be a psychopath.

>>94719232
I want to write America, but I'm a straight white male :(

>>94719241
Long story short yes, long story long read the transcript from the discord

>>94719219
>do they just not give a fuck anymore?
This, its been like this for ages, where have you been?

>>94719292
I would at the least made sure that they were arrested for their own safety before resigning.
He fought for a cause he didn't believe in, broke an oath to his nation and prolonged the war he was fighting and caused only suffering.

He is pretty shit.

>>94719136
man, people should learn to shut the fuck up and go yell at their children instead of constantly busting my balls

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>>94719292
They were told to kill indiscriminately?

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>>94719232
The big two is the worst place to work at. Only fanboys and literal hacks want to work there. Besides, the people with the real power are fucking white males and the diversity gimmick is just a gimmick on the neverending battle to escape from iirelevancy. Protip, they always lose

>>94719228

Imagine if the EU became a unified state tomorrow. Then imagine in 70 years, if Spain declared independence and went to war. Imagine you were from a family that had lived in Spain for hundreds of years. Would you join the EU army as they killed hundreds of thousands of Spaniards?

Your sense of honor is severely underdeveloped.

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>>94719231

>>94719275
You forget those poor farmers shot and attacked an unarmed federal fort first. They fought for a practice that was repugnant and morally reprehensible.

>>94718600
Guy who shot them wasn't affiliated with BLM though and was considered a lone shooter.

>>94719347
But that wasn't a very good joke, anon!

>>94719296

Have you considered that maybe the reason for your lack of sucess is that you, as an individual, dont make the cut completly divorced of issues of demographic?

Like, I cant play pro football. Thats not the result of some kind of vast conspiracy, Im just not that skilled. Most people are not.

>>94718608
Taking down a statue of a traitor who fought for slavery from a place of honor isn't erasing Lee from history /pol/.

>>94719346
>imagine.
no you retard.
There is no need to make imaginary comparisons. They were members of the United states that rebelled against the federal government because they wanted to keep the right to own slaves, and wanted it expanded across the newly settled territories.

>>94719354
>the guy who waves an isis flag isn't associated with isis when he shoots up a gay club!!

You can't even realize how ridiculous you sound

>>94719351
They fought for when their homes called on them.

Union soldiers weren't fighting to free the slaves, they were fighting to preserve the union. Southern soldiers weren't fighting to keep slaves, they were fighting the second American Revolution. I don't deny that slavery was the economic driving point for the war, but that's like saying World War 1 was primarily a war fought for newly discovered oil resources in the Arab peninsula.

And don't forget that there were five Union states that maintained slaves clear up until the 13th Amendment. And that the North treated new immigrants from Ireland and Italy just as badly as blacks.

>>94719202
Betraying your country and commanding troops to kill more Americans than any other war in history to protect your racist neighbors is not loyalty, it's monstrous.

>>94719408
>guy attending a neo nazi rally isn't a neo nazi when he runs over counter protestors.
this is valid tho.

>>94719354

Yes, I'm certain the black nationalist had absolutely no ideological or social connections whatsoever to a burgeoning, popular social movement founded and organized by blacks with a distinct anti-cop bent.

Last time I checked, anyone could be a part of BLM. There's no official membership signup, it's not a single cohesive organization that keeps track of everyone under its flag.

>>94719425
How badly were those immigrants treated?

>>94719260
Yes, a symbol of the traitorous South in the civil war. And he was on board with it enough to kill thousands of his countrymen.

>>94719425
Exploiting immigrants is the American way. Are you a commie, son? Besides, since when the alt-right care about immigrants?

>>94719380
>he thinks the soldiers of either side gave a single shit about slavery

Shit on the ideological drivers of the north-south rift as much as you want. The men who gave up their livelihoods to defend their homes and families were patriots and it's more morally repugnant to demean them from the comfort of your chair than it is to defend their monuments.

>>94719275
Because they're fucking traitors.

They fucking seceded from the goddamn Union and what you're trying to do is use emotional rhetoric to justify.

They were fucking traitors.

>>94719463
>anti-cop
Is Blue Lives Matter anti-black?

>>94719480
>To defend their homes and family
Are you really trying to portray the rightful government of the nation as a force that had to be fought so to defend the farm and little Jim?

>>94719464
Well, there were several clandestine groups like the Know Nothings whose entire goal was to prevent them from finding any jobs or becoming integrated into the culture. If the terrain of the northern states had been conducive to crop farming, slavery and indentured servitude probably would have taken root up there as well.

>>94719425
People always treat foreigners like shit. It doesn't mean that they are allowed to be legally sold and bought like cattle. Irish were treated badly, but they could become full US citizens and be treated the same in the eyes of the law.
The south fought to preserve an institution that was treating africans on a level similar to cattle as products to be brought and sold.

>southerners weren't fighting to keep slaves
Their entire revolution was due to the state's rights to Keep Slaves. The economic point of the war was that the southern states were fast losing relevance in the united states because the north had more manpower and industry, and slavery was an archaic institution that wasn't profitable enough to continue.

Cotton being replaced by indian cotton and egyptian one was the final nail in the coffin for the south's way of life.

>>94719480
Patriots don't slaughter their countrymen because they want to be able to own human beings.

>>94719260
>he wasn't even really on-board with the slavery thing.

Yeah he only fought in a war to defend it lmao.

>>94719502

Honestly, yes.

>>94719425
Also, oil was discovered in arabia in the 1920s when they were searching for fresh water aquifers.
Discovering oil scientifically is a pretty recent invention that is only possible due to micropalaentology.

t. Production engineer.

>>94719510

You mean like in the American Revolutionary War?

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>>94719464
>>94719477

Like literal cogs in machines. The living conditions in New York rookeries were basically animalistic. That's why there were multiple irish-only brigades in the Southern armies, because they fled the north en-masse to get someplace where there was a class of people below them.

I'm not trying to defend slavery as a practice at all. I'm trying to remind you how completely different life was in mid 19th century America and how applying modern logic to how they should have led their lives is catastrophically misleading.

>>94719548
You mean the war that was won for the US by the french?

>>94719436
I think that's kind of his point
If the White Supremacist at a NeoNazi rally counts why doesn't a Black Sepratist at a BLM rally?

The whole thing is stupid on both sides, why do people care so much about history and symbolism? History is over and symbols can't affect anything.

As a Liberal, left wingers have been responsible for more violence, assaults and suppression of liberty in my country than right wingers, who are completely marginialised and constantly attacked, while the left are given carte blanche.

So while I loath facism intensely, it's just not a threat, unlike the left who have been successful in removing key liberties, control the public discourse and will assault me.

>>94719521

He fought a war to defend Virginia, specifically.

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>desperate for something evil to grab on to, alt-righters are now equating ISIS tearing down statues of ancient leaders built thousands of years ago to protestors and city councilmen tearing down cheap statues mass-produced in the 20s by revisionist Southerners trying to glorify the war they lost

>>94719553
>get shit on
>lets escape to a place where there are people that are even more wretched than us lmao.

>>94719571
>patriot act was made by the dang lefties.

>>94718468
If the came from out of town that is by definition an invasion

>>94719561

What does that have to do with portraying the rightful government of the colonies as a force that had to be fought?

>>94719571
What country are you talking about? Are you a Venezuelan?

>>94719514
People don't slaughter their countrymen because they want to run their own affairs, either.

>>94719543
My mistake, I was apparently referring to elsewhere in the middle east. It's still worth pointing out that many of the very first moves in the war were spend positioning men along the Turkish transport routes to Persia, even though it had almost no significance to the war effort in Europe.

>>94719571

Which country?

>>94719593
because they were being unfairly represented in british parliament.

The south fought le ebin state's right war when they lost a federal election. It's as stupid as california seceeding because trump won the elections.

Wasn't the point of this episode that being historical doesn't justify things when it's on the wrong side of history? Personally I think that removing monuments and taking down "racist" flags should be left up to a vote from the residents in the area. Not some vocal minority that has a personal issue with it.
Also this thread is better on /pol/.

>>94719548
Guess what the British would be saying if America had lost that.

Guess what they genuinely say now if you ask someone who thinks of that war.

>>94717928
All good stories are generally timeless. You can watch a lot of old South Park or simpsons episodes and find the content very relevant to things today, even though they are over 20 years old.

>>94719616
WW1 was fought at a time where the vast majority of the oil was from the US, and the british army had a massive manpower advantage in the middle east due to the british indian army.

>>94719627

>It's as stupid as california seceeding because trump won the elections.

We should though.

>>94718468
>It's hard to find someone defending the murderer, but plenty are defending the antifa thugs.
Just yesterday we had a discussion about how he was initially going slow enough for someone to whack the back of the car.

>>94719580
Ironically, there's a reverse migration of black Americans back to the South going on right now because they're finding that the South has better community environments for them.

>>94719651
See, I get your point of view and I really think that tax draining red states should get a kick in the nuts, but tearing the union isn't the solution.
Should do what the south did not and try and weaken the federal government via ballot.

>>94719522
I wanted to disagree with you, but seeing how they answered Black Lives Matter with their name, it turns the conversation into an argument about who matters.

>>94719577
>desperate for something evil to grab on to, alt-lefters are desperately trying to create a ethnic scapegoat all while ironically referring them as "Nazis"

>>94719650
That's exactly why they were so concerned with boxing in Turkish access to oil from elsewhere, same as the naval blockades in WWII. All wars play out as resource wars.

>>94719658
because cities are expensive to live in and the US economy is advanced and driven by highly skilled laborers rather than low skilled labor that african americans generally do.

>>94719698
They literally refer to themselves as nazis.

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>>94718099
> tfw some antifa morons defaced a statue dedicated to peace and reconciliation with the North in my home town.

It's a fuckign angel holding an olive branch telling a soldier to lay down his arms. They broke the olive branch out of it's hand.

>>94719711
so by that logic weebs are Japanese?

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>>94719698
Are you implying the people who went out in force with swastikas and German pagan symbols historically endorsed by the Nazis, chanted Nazi slogans, and were headed by people who vocally supported the Nazi agenda... weren't Nazis?

Gee, this thread about comics and cartoons sure is on topic...
I guess there will be some sort of South Park episode about some Antifa expy/Neonazi group. I'd be easy.

>>94719700
mate, a large part of the middle east, especially arabia didn't have to do anything at all except act as partisans and terrorize turks. Oil supplies were a complete non factor as far as strategic resources go. The british had near complete dominance of the mediterranean and easily landed troops during the middle eastern theater.

>>94719725
This is false flagging. Nobody is this stupid.

>>94719644
> wrong side of history
What did she meant by this?

>>94719651
Because it worked so well the last time a state tried it, right? Fuck off, its bad enough we have morons like you around. But hey, I know its not gonna happen because the petition isn't get obtain the number of required signatures to even get on the ballot.

So we talking about the statues getting taken down right? What does the city council plan to do with them anyway? They should be really moved to a confederate museum really, it'd be the best thing to do in this kinda situation.

>>94719725
Please remind me of the last time weebs doted around in public droves with rising sun flags and praising the rape of Nanking.

>>94719553
You don't have to remind me, I know it was shitty for immigrants. When you bring this up in the conversation, you're assuming I don't hold your view point because I don't have the information you do. Actually, I probably don't. I want to know how choosing to be an immigrant in the north is as bad as being born a slave in the south.
And if that's the case, why is freedom such a big deal?

>>94719698
https://youtu.be/hVc1hvD6mCw?t=91
They're fucking Nazis.

>>94719719
Aw, that sucks.

>>94719772
Presumably, if they can't find a museum willing to take them, they'll be melted down and scrapped.

>>94719739
The eastern front of WWI was just the Arab Revolt that happened to play out at the same time. But the British attention to the area wasn't just a curiosity for them, they knew exactly what their imperial aims were for the region. Don't downplay the significance of the main resource of the region just because it wasn't fully developed yet.

>>94719768
>masturbating to a bunch of losers who tried rebelling, lost and had all their causes destroyed
>not in the dustbin of history.

>>94719680

>See, I get your point of view and I really think that tax draining red states should get a kick in the nuts

Would they really? That would be pretty reliant on a lot of factors, including businesses and Hollywood not just packing up and moving to somewhere like Texas the second a Calexit were to occur.

>>94719711
>>94719726
>>94719777
All white people are Nazis? Read my post more carefully. what percentage do the neo-nazis make up of the Caucasians in the US?

>>94719775
>I want to know how being born from an immigrant in the north is as bad as being born a slave in the south.
Fixed some of your bias mate.

>>94719810
Very little. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Are you implying that the anti-Nazi protestors are protesting all white people?

>>94719719

This is a good practical example of the Alt-Left in action. Less nebulous a term when there are specific groups and people to attach it to.

Sucks about the statue though.

>>94719768
That they lost, presumably.

>>94719810
What on earth are you talking about?

>>94719768
putting racist in quotes wasn't enough for you was it stormfag

>>94719798
It was practically unknown then for fuck's sake. The americans were the first in allying with saudi arabia to exploit middle eastern oil. They only discovered oil because they were looking for aquifers. Even their geological analysis was done by the USGS.

>>94719553
The civil war was really about economics, industrialism vs plantations and workers were cheaper than slaves before unions were formed. Nevertheless it's disappointing how America can't move on from a conflict from 150 years ago. Well, it was America's only real war, the only war fought on American soil and the war with the biggest body count. America's biggest failure has always been integration, despite the melting pot meme

>>94719826
>Are you implying that the anti-Nazi protestors are protesting all white people?
Very little.

>>94719810
While normally I would probably lean closer to your side, the march was organized by shit like the Daily Stormer.
I don't think he's saying all right-leaning whites are Nazis, I think he's saying it was a rally organized and largely attended by Nazis.

>>94719798

>t.i learned history from battlefield 1

>>94719804
>highly advanced tech industry and infrastructure would just pack up and leave overnight.
Lmao. Because Oklahoma is sure going to go nuts with all those ports they have.

>>94719802
So, you be saying that ISIS destroying historical stuff of civilizations that have succumbed to Islam is ok?
Or if you don't like that example, Americans are justified to do the same to Indian relics, got that right?

>>94719829
>Less nebulous a term when there are specific groups and people to attach it to.
Not really. If I see a guy pissing in the street and say "see? this is exemplary of the alt-left" that doesn't make the alt-left a thing.

>>94719868
He probably doesn't even know how aramco came into being or that the US has been buddy buddy with the gulf states for a long time.

>>94719814
Not really. Even at its worst, immigrants had some limited human rights but slaves weren't even humans

>>94719840
Calm down, I'm just for some clarifications about an unclear terminology.

>>94719826
>>94719839
Referring to how the left is constantly trying to shove "white privilege" and "white guilt" and demonises everyone that disagrees as Nazis. Its just that I'm constantly hearing people blaming whites for shit.

>>94719814
I thought I was being fair by omitting the whole being forcibly taken from one continent to another thing and having little to no rights.

>>94719775
To your last point, the immigrants in the north were still free enough to move around the country at their own will. Slavery is still slavery, even if the conditions are good. It's the original sin of all civilizations, involuntary labor.

I bring it up because people today are extremely quick to dismiss the entire civil war as North = abolition = good guys, South = slavery = bad guys. To me slavery is still the single biggest trigger for and result of the war. But peoples knee-jerk judgement of a million men who went to war for their homes on the basis of their farm labor supply is a fundamental misunderstanding of the era and it makes me very sad that people have so little attention to give to the most important episode in American history. And it really upsets me when people have the gall to morally denounce men who gave up everything they had to defend their homes, because to modern sensibilities they were part of 'bad' societies.

>>94719810
The post you replied to with your bullshit insinuation that they were calling them nazis because they were conservatives was in reference to an event in which literal fucking Nazis marched in the streets to protest the removal of a confederate statue while chanting things like "hail Trump" "Blood and Soil" and "Jews will not replace us".

>>94719877
That's an absurd claim to make, and you know it.

Did you get upset when the Russians and Ukrainians tore down all those Lenin statues the Soviets erected in their towns? What about all the Nazi monuments and art installations that were demolished in occupied Germany?

>>94719877
>historical stuff.
kek.
your cheap ass mined statues made in the mid 20th century to honor a bunch of sore losers and keep niggers in check aren't historically relevant. The US keeps civil war documents and paraphernelia very well in museums and preserves the actual battlefields themselves.

Shitty plaster statues made during the 50s to keep niggers in line are completely unncecessary.

>>94719873
If theoretically California were allowed to peacefully exit the union it would suffer an economic meltdown that it couldn't recover from for decades if ever.

So yeah, it'd become a statewide Detroit.

>>94719915
I'd probably put genocide higher on the list of "original sins" of civilization, but that's just me.

>>94719906
It's probably because a disadvantage of being white is being seen as advantaged which is an advantage unto itself.

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>>94719868
>playing EA trash

I learned my history from self-aggrandizing gay British liasons who die in motorcycle accidents, thank you.

>>94719873

Not overnight, but I think the downsides of living in an independent California would be pretty significant, considering the US would likely not just allow it to happen peacefully or without severe economic sanctions or naval blockades.

>>94718566
it wasn't a race thing. it was a power thing. slavery was such a small part in the grand scheme of the civil war yet every stupid cunt wants to make it the main reason for why states, cities and even families would turn on each other.

>>94719941
>a fucking STATUE can keep niggers in check

Nigga it's just a rock, its not fucking real

>>94719951
>if theoretically
and the US would lose a huge chunk of it's economy and become a nationwide detroit.
Which is why the calexit argument is stupid.
Another thing that is stupid is all those red states mooching off california's economy and then memeing about state's rights.

>>94719915
Alright, well I'm not one of those people. I hope you defend better things with this much energy.

>>94719890
>>94719911
You are missing the point.
Making the example about CHOOSING to do something on own side and BEING born on the other, make the question biased from the get go. A more balanced, yet still valid question, would have both in a state which was forced on them.
I'm not saying anything about either option A or option B.

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>>94719883

>A random guy pissing in the street is equivalent to a group of organized individuals that share a specific political allegiance and a documented willingness to use violence and vandalism in support of those politics.

>>94719980
>statue showing that the town honours a person who fought against the country to keep you as cattle.
>not a symbol.
I suppose the swastika is a bunch of squiggly lines too.

>>94719994
Not that I disagree with your larger point but you don't exactly get to choose whether to sign the social contract you're born in regardless if you're a slave or a free citizen.

>>94719953
You can't build a nation on the back of genocide. But you do build a nation over the course of centuries on the backs of people who don't want to be there. That's the difference to me.

Personally I find half the real national character of America to be that we fought a war that killed a million people, ultimately over slavery. No other great civilization would ever do that much to help an underclass. Even the Brits just said "well we'll try to schedule abolition gradually over the course of 50 years".

>>94719980
It's a symbol. The alt-righters weren't chanting white pride shit for nothing. The south states didn't want to accept niggers as their fellow brothers, it became not only a common sense thing but a nationalistic thing to discriminate niggers, a way to proof rebellion against the north government trying to impose their unfair laws. The white southerners fought until the 60s for their right to discriminate niggers

>>94719934
>Did you get upset when the Russians and Ukrainians tore down all those Lenin statues the Soviets erected in their towns? What about all the Nazi monuments and art installations that were demolished in occupied Germany?
I do think it's a shame.

>>94719978
It was a race thing. To degree at the very least. And that power was represented in slavery. The underlying issue maybe been States fearful of their irrelevance and ability to make their own decisions but the issue they chose to represent that in is their right to own people.

>>94719902
>Calm down
newfag detected

>>94720015
Every squiggly line is a swastika~/~

I come to 4chan to escape the real world bullshit drama to talk about cartoons and shit not the rise of white supremacy in america. This whole thread needs to be in >>>/pol/ where it belongs.

>>94718566
>People think the Civil War was over people's skin color and not the economic differences of the North and South as there were slave holding states still supporting the Union.

t.revisionist.

>>94717928

i mean recent events sort of proved the premise of it wrong if anything, but sure. let some sheltered edgy lelbertarians explain the world to you.

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>>94720061

>>94720052
Well, that's fair enough. Just so long as you're willing to place equal value on all historical information, no matter how much it can tell us or what it means to the people who have to see it every day.

>>94719991
While it's true the U.S.A as a whole would be greatly economically damaged, it's scale and resources would allow it to bounce back far quicker and far more easily than California, which would remain a third world country for the foreseeable future.

>>94720074
I am pretty sure people watch southpark for the swear words cartman says.

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>>94719993
I went to school in Richmond and worked at the museum there for two years. It's something that's pretty important to me.

>>94720070
The Civil War was over states' rights to hold slaves. The slave states that were still in the Union were just unwilling to sperg out at the likely outcomes of Lincoln's "slow-burn" abolitionism he was planning before the secession.

>>94720041
That's true, if you are born into it.
If you migrate to another country you do choose to do so. Well, at least as long you believe in free will, but let's not open that can of worms.

>>94719991
You're forgetting the U.S in this scenario still has Texas. It has plenty of infrastructure leftover to bounce back with.

>>94720085
>it's scale and resources would allow it to bounce back.
Not quite. A huge part of the US's tech base is based around california and the silicon valley. If anything the US would lose a significant chunk of both income and a large number of world class institutions and educated personnel living there.

>>94719978
It's easy rhetoric in online debate and slavery is a huge factor in the war, but I don't know anyone who says it was all about slavery. I wasn't taught that in any class, no who I know was taught just that. As a huge factor, it's fun to meme about it, but if someone raises the confederate flag, what meaning is one supposed to get from that? Are they supposed to know that they don't stand for the right to own slaves, the right many were fighting to protect? It's a complex issue, but suddenly monuments are just simple and innocent things.

>>94719999
>a group of organized individuals that share a specific political allegiance
Not really, is my point. You'll get peiople from completely separate groups with different ideologies being labelled as "alt-left" (or "alt-right" for that matter) because they're considered close enough by their opponents (and because it helps their opponents' narrative).
See: the Klu Klux Klan and your average Trump supporter being both labelled as "alt-right".

>>94719877
>Or if you don't like that example, Americans are justified to do the same to Indian relics, got that right?
We already do.
Preserving history in America is only considered important if its white history. Hell every fucking year we have to have the same "WHY DO YOU GET YOUR OWN HISTORY MONTH" arguments.

>>94720015
>>94720050
Nigga, you said a fucking statue can "keep niggas in line"

I don't care if it's a symbol as if that means anything, anyone who can be affected by a fucking statue needs their fucking brain checked.

>>94719978
Yeah that's why they constantly mention slavery in the articles of secession and why the primary "states right" under debate was a state's right to decide whether or not slavery would be legal within itself.

>>94720138
I thought most people called the KKK far right. I always figured "alt-right" implied that the groups mainly organized on the internet and very strongly went against the normal policies of the GOP.

>>94720138

>See: the Klu Klux Klan and your average Trump supporter being both labelled as "alt-right".

And? It's a broad enough label to include both.

>>94720117
>If you migrate to another country you do choose to do so.
If the social contract you were born in and other parameters allow you to do so. See: North Korea.
Also there's a limited choice of countries (and therefor social contracts) available.

>>94720150
Indian remains and artifacts are protected under NAGPRA and it's the bane of every midwestern construction firm.

>>94719980
Tell that to the guy who crushed people under his car over it.

>>94720060
>being called a newfag by a post-captcha friend

>>94720124
>affected
hey dummy. The statue is a piece of concrete
It's what it represents is what is hurtful to people. You are showing darkie in town that as a town you are respecting an honouring a man that wanted to keep him is farm animals.

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>>94720061
You're not fooling anyone Frank.

>>94720129
The main problem is most of those statues were erected not during the civil war era but during the jim crow era. They were made in order to intimidate black people, that's the history people want to protect for some reason.

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>>94719994
I get the semantics. You're either born with some rights and people don't like you or you're born with less rights and it takes you longer to even get the right to vote.

>>94720160
Alt-right is a term coined by Richard Spencer (this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk&) to describe his political beliefs. I'll let you take a guess what his political beliefs might entail.

>>94720169
And NAGPRA gets filed under "government regulation" that, oh look, right wing conservatives love trying to get rid of to make those construction/infrastructure bucks.
Nobody'd want a pipeline if it were being run through the Smithsonian.

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>>94720215
>burgers went sieg heil

>>94720160
The Charlottesville thing was labelled as "alt right" while featuring legit nazis.

>>94720162
If a label is broad enough to encompass things that aren't very similar, it's a useless label.

>>94720128
Those institutions run on people. Those people would not stay there if the state was a ultra recession economic meltdown.

That doesn't mean they'd automatically migrate to the U.S.A., as somewhere in Europe would probably become the new 'Silicone Valley', but even the U.S.A would end up with a better tech industry than Cali because people migrate to better economic conditions, and the U.S.A would inevitably have a better + more stable economy.

t. an economist

>>94720099
I understand. You'll find other issues worth defending here. Maybe we'll even discuss comics and cartoons.

>>94720215

It's weird, because even /pol/ apparently had no idea who this guy was until a couple years ago when he suddenly started getting a lot of publicity as the "leader" of the Alt-Right.

What a twat though, I wish he'd get punched more often.

>>94719719
alt-left and alt-right are stupid terms. alt-right is just what SFW media calls /pol/fags, while the "alt-left" is said /pol/fags mocking the SFW media.

Also, a shame about a statue that promotes peace.

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>>94720183
I want that darkie to have a good job and send his kids to a good school and for him to have access to things that will make him healthy and happy, same as anyone else. But he doesn't get to dictate what parts of our collective history get to be remembered, and his feelings don't outweigh the voluntary efforts of a million southern men who gave up everything to protect their homes.

I think there should be more public acknowledgement of the impact of slavery, and I think that every government building that was built with slave labor should have some commemoration of that fact. But tearing down monuments because their context hurts people's feelings is fundamentally destructive.

>>94720200
I mean, didn't they technically pave the way for pretty much everything in the US?
Isn't that their schtick?

>>94720238
I can only hope that the Republican establishment doesn't consider itself similar to the Nazis. Plus, Charlottesville had the man who coined the damn term right there among the brownshirts, and he probably still considers himself an alt-right boy.

>>94720215
That's the thing that blows my mind about this whole argument where it's the opposition lumping everyone together.
These guys named themselves the Alt-Right. Are we not supposed to call them what they named themselves?
They, themselves, are waving a nazi flags. Where is the line before everyone gets to call them nazis when they do it themselves?

>>94719802
>masturbating to a bunch of losers who tried rebelling, lost and had all their causes destroyed
We are not talking about chilean commies, anon.

>>94720246
Which is why I specifically mentioned that the entire argument is facetious before we started. Calexiters are dumb

>>94718081
>an Antifa riot
You cheeky cunt, you.

>>94720129
I grew up in the south so southern text books say it was because of the industrial revolution instead about people owning other people as property because of minor differences in appearance.

>>94720190
I'm not sure if everyone erected statues at black people, I'm sure some just thought their history of being defeated was important, but yes this clinging to a bygone era where blacks were slaves is unsavory.

>>94720291
I am sorry, but don't burgers have to pay a federal income tax, treat darkies as equal citizens and aren't allowed to hang coons from trees?
The south lost pal. It's time to let go.

>>94718608
Washington freed all his slaves in his will and Jefferson literally made importing/exporting slaves illegal. There is an incalculable difference between having slaves as a matter of socioeconomic necessity, horrible as it was, and actively willing to fucking KILL someone because you dont want to pick your own crops.

>>94720273
Also its just an entry point. Hell Rufalo and his idiots are still grandstanding in front of Trump Tower.

And Remember that line from Homecoming?

>>94720300
Antifa are worse over in Europe aren't they?

>>94720284
That's not something I think you need to worry about. If nothing else the Republican establishment is good at saying these are isolated incidents rather than entertaining the fact that they might have to do any housecleaning. Every time this happens they do the same "This isn't my America. These aren't our values" song and dance.
It IS their America. This is happening on their watch, but denial is all you really need to do to save face.

>>94720261
Nobody did and really not many care. He's as bad as David Duke who just wants to insert himself into shit.

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>>94720315
You can read about it here if you want
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/08/the-real-story-of-all-those-confederate-statues/

>>94720273
>fundamentally destructive
>1984
We don't need statues to help us remember history. It's perfectly fine to erase graffiti from public spaces.

>>94720273
But these monuments were made AFTER the civil war, during the jim crow era to intimidate black people living there. No one is asking to blow up mount rushmore because washington kept slaves or destroying the washington monument because it triggers Michelle Jones.

They are asking that statues that the people of the towns themselves want removed, be removed. It doesn't have any historical or architectural significance. No one is telling people to turn gettysburg into an interracial breeding ground.

>>94720285

The problem that I'm seeing is that not everyone who claimed the label was even aware that Spencer existed when they adopted it, and that many that are supposedly under that umbrella are not Nazis, either in name or ideology. As a label it's somewhat murky, because it seems to encompass vast swathes of people that agree on certain points (anti-globalist sentiments, chiefly) while disagreeing (sometimes vehemently) in other areas. Many of the Alt-Right decry identity politics, while Spencer seems to be chiefly in favor of them (specifically white identity politics).

>>94720339
>Washington freed all his slaves in his will
Technically incorrect, the best kind of incorrect, Washington was not legally able to free all his slaves

>>94720345
Euro here.
Aside from Germany (what is it with Germans and political violence anyway) the worst they've done was having protest to stop people from giving speeches. Which granted is a dick move, but not really in the riot department.

>>94720389
Its more Democrats tying to smokescreen they built the damn things in opposition to all of that.

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>>94720389
>Mother Jones

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>>94718300

So Black Lives Matter is GamerGate?

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>>94720400
About that.

They also changed the title from "let's blow up Mount Rushmore".

>>94720429
>southern poverty law center.

>>94720389
Are you going to link to a Vox article next? Maybe Vice? Is there a Mad Magazine article you could link us to?

>>94720389
>50th anniversary of the conflict

Seems as good a time as any to build memorials.

>>94720432
...huh. That's actually a pretty apt comparison.

>>94720448
>views my own
It's literally the first thing in the image anon.

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>>94720389

http://archive.fo/vg5CN

>>94720401
>The problem that I'm seeing is that not everyone who claimed the label was even aware that Spencer existed when they adopted it
Then they're idiots. Don't call yourself something if you don't know what it actually means, and don't expect people to excuse or defend your ignorance. That should be common fucking sense.
Don't assume the mantle of a collective unless you want to assume their guilt as well. You want to be judged as an individual, just be an individual. Every group has this issue and every time they try and pull this No True Scotsman thing rather than save face, and it's ALWAYS bullshit when it's not your group.

>>94720401
It's probably just because "alt-right" rolls off the tongue better than "anti-establishment conservatives". Alt-right encompasses dumbass lolbertarians, trigger-fondling sovereign citizens and militiamen, and historically illiterate Neo-Nazis. It's like using the word "punk" to describe a political group: you get a very brief but mostly effective understanding of what these people primarily believe in, and how much of a reprehensible cunt they're most likely going to be when they decide action needs to be taken.

>>94720369
>participation trophy
heh

However
Where is the happily crying statue of liberty?
Why isn't the Kelly expy making a pun?
Why isn't there a crying Lincoln looking down fondly on the scene?

4/10

>>94720397
Cept that is how they do it. Destroy the markers then destroy the books/records.

Egypt did it to entire dynasties millennia ago and Muslims are doing it all over the middle east today.

I see a book burning in the Antifa future.

>>94720475
>>94720400
>No one is asking to blow up mount rushmore

>>94720498
Bitch you pay for the commission.

>>94720427
Why would democrats smokescreen something democrats did before democrats and republicans basically completely traded their values?

>>94720453
and that's better how?

that's as bad as citing the ACLU

>>94720401

The group is as schizophrenic as the people themselves in it. I'm not surprised that it's fractured so quickly now after the events of charlottesville. Hell, you could even see the cracks after Trump got elected when people found out he wasn't gonna create the dream white ethnostate that some desired. Still, that's what you get for trying to unite an entire wing of political thought together, it ain't gonna work. Now it's just mostly wannabe fascists and actual neo nazis trying to co-opt other ideologies like libertarianism and shit and selling their stupid shit to gullible people.

>>94720508
Call me when someone relevant starts a serious movement to blow up mount rushmore. A retard with a blog isn't a sign of anything, otherwise all white people would be dead and trans people of colour would be exploring the stars.

>>94720505
There's book burning in all futures.
The only difference is which books.

>>94720527
>Acting like there is a difference between the parties.

>>94720537
How about you knock on their statistics or methods of calculation, instead of the institution?

>>94720559
>both parties are the same.
One of them wants to make healthcare better, the other one wants to take it away because of poor insurance companies.

>>94720273
I'll never understand the Confederacy worship. They were traitors to the state who betrayed their country to start their own because they disagreed with laws passed under a system they supported until those laws were passed. These same people who think these traitors should have statues also unironically whine about Obama ignoring laws and cry their eyes out over it without any self-awareness.

>>94720403
Huh, didnt know that. I know Jefferson was in huge ammounts of debt most of his life and that's why he couldn't free his slaves, since they were still assets he could negotiate with.

What was trying up Washington's hands?

>>94720526
Is the guy making you pay by the line or something?
Complain about his lack of effort.

>>94720598
I dunno. I should have saved the money for making warhammer fantasy battles porn.

>>94720505
Good luck with that in the internet era.

>>94720565
Yeah, and I'm sure you're going to start citing the Drudge Report, RT and fucking Stromfront next

>>94720505
Then it's always happening all the time and it always had happened and it's weird that you're concerned about it now.

>>94719719
That just fucking sucks. A statue is forever broken because of a bunch of stupid idiots.
If we all haven't been forced to assimilate to something like 1984, what do you think the history books will say about this period?
>And here we see progressive thinkers defacing a statue of peace. Why? Because they saw people on TV doing it to other statues

>>94720623
I can only cite inconsistencies in their actual methodologies.

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It's too late.

The Russians have wholly compromised democracy.

The only solution is to start killing Nazis.

And then start killing the pinko Russian bastards who brought us here.

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>>94720550
I'm not actually worried that someone's going to hike over to south Dakota with dynamite and blasting caps. But the underlying message of all this is still that these monuments are no longer compatible with modern dogma about American society, and therefore must go.

Listen, I'm not /pol/, I didn't vote for Trump, and I'm not waiting for the South to rise again. I just want Americans to have an active dialogue with their past, and to accept that values aren't eternal and unchanging. Progress isn't a ladder to perfection, it's a balancing act, and I'm worried we're right about to go over one side. If the states that paid for these memorials want to put them in museums or get rid of them to save maintenance costs, they can be my guest. But it's dangerous to our appreciation of who we are and where we came from.