Carol Ferris

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>STILL no Carol doll

it's sickening

>>94714969
Will Hal accept her back after she dumped him and got pregnant by Kyle?

>>94714969
cuz she a bitch

>>94714969
I believe you, but I don't care about GL.

Star Sapphires going good was a mistake. They're even less interesting than the fucking Indigos now.

Carol trying to keep a raging horde of possessive maniacs as a force for good could be interesting but they had that for the Yellow and Red Lanterns instead.

>>94715011
Really, she doesn't even get an SHG doll? That' kinda gross, actually.

What does she owe you money, DC? Why do they hate this character?

Geoff Johns decided that all non-Lantern GL supporting characters are not worth the time, and since then the only way for her to be featured is to shoehorn her as the girlfriend lantern.

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>>94714969
>Treated worse than Wonder Woman
I wouldnt go that far, anon. She can't be a villain now because shes gained better control over her powers and I suppose the reason shes so relationship heavy is because her powers are derived from love. I do agree that she needs some work, just thank god shes no longer with Kyle

>>94714969
>and have her use her access to alien technology to corner the untapped commercial spacecraft market on Earth.
This would be wonderful

Too bad once sure shows up again they'll probably have her fuck John or Baz since apparently accessorizing GLs is all she's good for

>>94714969
New Guardians run could be considered non canon (well most of it) since most of the events are never mentioned such as Kyle making the WL corps, Carol is shown to be still running Ferris air during her 2nd appearance of Rebirth in issue 8 or 9 of GLs, Carol can't be a villain now since they changed the Sapphire from a Jewel into a ring making it easier to control because if you READ GL you would know the crystal is too much to handle that even a Zamoran died when they tried extracting it. OP are you even reading comics or just blowing smoke out of your ass?

>>94714969
>yet keep her around for whatever reason instead of just having her fuck off back home
Isn't that where she currently is after she got sent to character limbo?

>>94715167
>and I suppose the reason shes so relationship heavy is because her powers are derived from love.

but they already explained that SS powers can work on non-romantic love too fairly early on, love for her job or something could easily apply

Hi, Cranky.

Thing is, Johns had complete control of the GL franchise for a long time, and he had revamped Carol into something remarkably less interesting by basically just making the Star Sapphires into Violet Lanterns. And there's not a whole lot you can do with Violet Lanterns that's unique, especially when your Lantern stories revolve around flying around shooting beams at other Lanterns.

But the consequences of that didn't come till Johns left the book, and the subsequent writers didn't really have anything for her to do. Her and Kyle both got shipped into a containment book, but once GL could no longer support multiple books, both of them faded into the distant background.

This is why I like the early parts of Johns' run better, before it went fullblown space opera.

>>94715153
Said it more succinctly than I.

>>94715153
I'd start about how someone needs to figure out something for the Star Sapphires to do, but frankly, the fucking Greens have been in the same rut of doing jack shit and not being space cops.

It's little wonder the other Corps are directionless, nobody can figure out what to do with the title characters.

>>94715162
Which is funny, because Johns was the last writer to remember to give her a personality, and that she maybe ought to, y'know, do stuff.

>>94715241
Right but what Im saying is its an easy plot writers fall into with the added benefit of drama.

>>94715376
I mean ideally editorial just has to say "hey, stop doing that shit" and they can not do it.

>>94715246
>This is why I like the early parts of Johns' run better, before it went fullblown space opera.

It is quite remarkable how much Johns's GL just... died artistically after Sinestro Corps War. Rainbow Lanterns were a mistake.

Is it me, or do are Star Sapphire colors really inconsistent? They're supposed to be violet, which is supposed to be in the same ballpark as purple, and yet sometimes it looks Magenta or in some cases borderline pink. Am I just crazy or colorblind?

Carol's always been in a bad place due to how the Star Sapphire thing worked. "It's not her fault! The space gem's making her crazy!" is a poor basis for a villain to begin with. Making her one of the good guys didn't help much either, as it really just made her into another Lantern.

>>94714969
>It is a another statue quo girlfriend.

>>94715246
Hi.

>and there's not a lot you can do with Violent Lanterns that's unique.
Shit of it is, you're right. The only real suggestion I got is to make them a general purpose charity organization. I mean, the Indigos already kinda do that, but they're more of a reform program.

Much as I think people are a bit unfair to Johns, he really failed to properly think out the various color corps.

>>94714969
>did everyone forget that she's a classical Green Lantern villain?
She is?

>>94715241
None of the writers ever seem to even think about exploring non-romantic forms of love. Friendship, comradery, family, worship, patriotism, objectification, really any kind of invested emotional attachment.

Maybe the Sapphires could serve the important function of maintaining these connections like they were fairies making the snow fall and the flowers bloom. It'd be something at least.

>>94716288
Non romantic love isn't as ripe for shitty cheap drama though anon!

>>94716709
Oh of course! How could I forget? How silly of me wanting something interesting to happen.

>>94715199
Just because a writer created a justification for her not to be a villain doesn't mean she can't be reverted. It would be negative character development, but it was a more interesting dynamic and comics could use more female sociopaths.

>>94715991
Star Sapphire

>>94717639
You could always argue Carol was never a villain and it was the Sapphire all along seeing as it did launch to Deborah and Carol as a villain was awful and always soured the Story, like how when Hal and Carol settled but the persona returned and she left for space or how it always ended up as her being defeated and the memory being repressed.

So do Star Sapphires have any additional abilities beyond the basic constructs most Lanterns can do? Reds have napalm, Larfleeze can steal souls, Sinestro Corps don't have anything from what I recall

>>94717679
They can put them into Stasis crystals which show things that they love and prolong exposure can essentially brainwash them. How do you not know this if you know what the other corps do?

>>94717639
I'd be fine with Carol going bad again so long as it was her misusing her powers of her own free will and not her being possessed by the gem/evil split personality again. Which won't happen because it would require more effort.

>>94717705
Because its been a while since I've read anything relating to the Star Sapphires anon.

>>94717782
I dunno. That would be interesting, but Carol has never been evil. It would be an odd character direction, and probably piss off a lot of people.

>>94717789
Yellows can also show people what they fear although it's usually not shown. Green is the most vanilla out of all the colors. Star Sapphire is pretty twisted since it's revealed Fatality was fucking John, her planets killer out of her will because she was brainwashed thanks to the Star Sapphire crystal SS can also find their "love" anywhere in the galaxy by shooting out a construct harpoon out of their tits/naval.

>>94717639
I'd be okay with Carol being a villain again, frankly. Cause again, it'd be something for her to actually do. And no bullshit about her being brainwashed this time. Carol can be pretty vicious all on her own.

Maybe she starts getting up to questionable things while trying to build spaceships. Maybe she becomes a kind of drug dealer and starts offering small dosages of the crystal prison in exchange for stuff she needs. Maybe she decides that all this color war shit needs to end already and makes plans to shut off the lights.

... Y'know what, it's really not that hard to come with shit for the Sapphires to do if some random fuck can pull a few out of his ass. Lazy bastards just don't care.

Can't she be morally grey doing the good old crystal prison brainwashing thing for the greater good stuff? I kind of want her to be with Hal again, only this time she treats her Sapphire job like her aircraft business

>>94718014
I'd be down for that. Thing is, they did try that with the Sapphires for a bit, but for whatever reason, it didn't take.

>treats the corps like her aircraft business
Now I have the delightful image of the corps remodeled to have a corporate structure and image. Star Sapphire Incorporated.

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>>94718226
They could still do it by making a rivalry thing with the greens, the set up is there. Sapphires have killed planet, Zamorans hate Maltusians, What they're doing is unethical, Sapphire rings can be received by villains, etc.

>>94718226
>Now I have the delightful image of the corps remodeled to have a corporate structure and image. Star Sapphire Incorporated
Carol restructuring the Sapphires to be run more like a corporation and then using them for shady space side business while still passing them off as a force for love on the outside would be beautiful

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>>94718492
Right? We have corps that act like military, tribes, nomads, and renegades, why not have one be treated like a business? The corporate structure would be a good opposite to the entire love thing

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>>94718492
What kind of services would they offer? Dating profiles of course, wedding plans, relationship counciling, various consumer goods, etc.

And that's just the public stuff. Not great for PR to openly advertise the escort service, and abuser assassination.

>>94718869
They'd do that kind of stuff on the surface but Carol also uses it to make business connections and enrich her access to space tech, then use that to move her earth company ahead of everyone else

>>94719144
>use the corps as a shell company
>sell tech eons more advanced than anything on Earth
>become richest woman on planet
... This needs to be a thing right now.

>>94715153
What runs have interesting evil Star Sapphire? The concept of heightening the negative emotions/reactions related to love is interesting.

I liked her evil in that Batman BATB episode, and in Justice League Doom.

Carol Ferris, Linda Park, and Iris West all need to just be killed off. Their writers aren't just dropping the ball, they're throwing it away. Either pair people up or not, but it's been almost two fukcing years now. Shit or get off the damn pot.

>>94719599
It's weird how some of the classical love interests have been getting some decent spotlight, but not all of them. Steve's doing his soldier boy thing, Lois is a supermom and even went back to the Daily Planet, Mera is outstripping her own husband in popularity, hell, even Selina got to be a mob boss for a bit. Why can't the others get some attention? These are characters who have been part of their respective series mythos pretty much since the beginning. Do something with them.

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>>94718869
>>94719144
>>94719295
I see them still as "Galactic Peacekeepers", only more prison/psyche ward type rehabilitation. PR would be using love to correct criminals, when in reality its still the brainwashing shit with crystal prisons and scanning their minds for resources they can confiscate and sell back.
>>94719599
Nah, the only one worth ditching is Iris. Carol still has potential, and Linda to my knowledge hasnt appeared yet and could bring back some good stuff with original Wally. Iris on the other hand is just boring and kind of a cunt lately. Normally I wouldn't side with Hitch, but Barry should hook up with Jessica Cruz now.

>>94719811
Linda was in a few issues of the Rebirth Titans stuff but she is barely around. I don't know why he thinks she should be killed off when she's not even been regularly used in like 7 years

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>>94719752
>Steve's doing his soldier boy thing, Lois is a supermom and even went back to the Daily Planet, Mera is outstripping her own husband in popularity, hell, even Selina got to be a mob boss for a bit. Why can't the others get some attention?
I want some classic style love interests. I don't get what's wrong with them that that style has been completely thrown aside.

Everything has to be either a deconstruction subversion or just a big fuck you to classic love interests.

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>that expression
... Yeah, Carol needs to go back to being a bad girl.

Source is Justice League: Doom, in case anyone was wondering.

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>>94720255
Here, have this, anon

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>>94720337
Not gonna lie, I kinda like this design. Normally I would be very much boob windows, especially the plunging boob window. But it works here because there's always a bit of a sexual element to Star Sapphire that's actually important to the character's gimmick, that of a toxic seductress. Unlike with Power Girl where it's there for its own sake, and is thus just plain stupid.

>>94719811
Not only has Linda appeared in the new Titans, her relationship (or lack thereof) with Wally was a central plot point for the first half of the run. And as of this most recent arc, she has just outright been written as non-intersted, which in turn set up this horribly cliche garbage of a love-triangle arc between Wally, Donna, and Roy that's happening right now.

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>>94720380
*against boob windows

Seriously, her facial expressions in this movie are doing things to me.

>>94715241
>but they already explained that SS powers can work on non-romantic love too fairly early on

I don't remember this.

What I remember is that red and violet are on the furthest-from-green ends of the spectrum specifically because they're the most intense, uncontrollable, obsession-prone emotions.

People don't feel love at an intensity strong enough to qualify for lantern powers over friends or their job.

>>94720018
Lois is killing it right now, though. She's still been able to keep her essential character while being a wife and mom.

>>94720440
You know she can make sassy, confident facial expressions without being evil right?

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>>94720485
Yes, but I'm not picky.

>>94720476
>I don't remember this.

Literally the first normal SS lantern we saw was a girl who got the ring because her sister died

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So was it ever explained who Star Sapphire was in the DCAU? Cause I'm just gonna pretend it's Carol otherwise.

>>94720545
The only sane SS I remember is Miri Riam, whose origin involves a dead fiancee

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Unf.

>>94714969

Does she still love Kyle more than Hal?

>>94720546
It was Carol, just British.

>>94720018
The kind of people who become comic book writers now are comic book nerds. There's no one who knows enough about what's romantic to be comfortable writing romance.

And the audience they're writing for wouldn't appreciate it anyway, they just want DBZ-style punch-ups and power "feats".

>>94719811
"Galactic Peacekeepers" would step on the toes of the GLC as a concept, especially with the common "Guardians are shady as hell" plots. Rather than that they're, on the surface, the equivalent of UN intervention, they safeguard civilians, set up refugee camps, provide medical and humanitarian assistance, and broker peace talks. They also do prison/psychiatric rehabilitation and address social issues. They'll also quickly brainwash or kill anyone they feel necessary, act in a completely mercenary manner, and place their interests and goals above anything else. No one ever said that spreading peace and love throughout the galaxy had to be non-violent and unprofitable.

>>94720631
Hopefully not or she's gonna be mad that he's fucked at least one other woman and kept hitting on Soranik

>>94714969
last time I saw her she was pregnant with Kyle child

>>94720727
Doesn't prison/rehabilitation also step on Indigo's toes?

I'd actually love to see the Star Sapphires, if they "went corporate" as this thread suggests, behave more like a galactic dating service or like a psychic hotline, where people like travel on fucking pilgrimages to Zamaron and ask them to find their soul mate...and then you could have stories about how when they do, maybe the other person is like "I don't care how compatible your magic crystal bullshit says we'd be, I'm not gonna get with a complete stranger out of nowhere"

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>>94714969
I used to be a huge fan of her character on the Geoff era, also a fan of her relationship with Hal, even when they were not together it was good to read their interactions (I actually even prefered Hal on that era with Cowgirl).
But I need to be honest, to me Carol has been ruined forever or at least permanently stained, that run of New Guardians and specially the issues by Venditti were awful and too damaging.
To me they can not just erase that lapse of her story, they need to justify in some way, I don't maybe a Durlan taking her place or even Kyle using his White Lantern powers and time on the Wall Source to manipulate her feelings or even to manipulate the reality itself (I think in some of the New Guardians issues is stated that he manipulated the reality to change some things without noticing).
Honestly I just want to see Hal dating someone else before the reappearance of Carol in the issue #37, I do not want to see Hal becoming in some Cuckbolt 2.0, Sora could be perfect for the deed.

>>94720812
Indigo is a personality wipe of the wielder, it's less rehabilitation and more penance.

>>94720727
I feel like the first half of that falls under Blue Lantern territory

>>94720476
Guy used a star sapphire ring very briefly and powered it with his love of the corps

>>94721073
I feel like there are too many different colored lanterns.

>>94721101
On that, I think everyone can agree on. Johns kind of went overboard with Rainbow Corps shit. But then again, we wouldnt have Larfleeze or Atrocitus if he didnt.

>>94721073
Blues are too few to really pull that off. If anything Blues should be wandering samurai/drifter cowboy types.

>>94720746
She better watch out or Kyle will kill it.
>but not tell her that he did.

>>94720485
Yeah but that's like non-alcoholic beer.

So ideally, the different corps have a clear, simple gimmick.

>Green; space cops
>Yellow; evil space cops
>Violet; dating service
>Blue; feelgood religion
>Red; revenge hotline
>Indigo; reformative charity group
>Orange; stealing shit

Seriously, picking on Johns is bandwagon bullshit, but goddamn he ought to have taken a minute to think about what these fucks actually do. But he didnt, and now were stuck with a shitload of characters standing around doing fuck all, like this was Bleach or something.

>>94721435
"Dating service" and "feelgood religion" aren't exactly clear or simple gimmicks.

>>94721599
... How are those not clear?

>>94720746
That was just some shitty one off story that hopefully will go ignored

>>94721087
That's also how John powered his Sapphire ring, and early Venditti GL had a woman who got a Sapphire ring because she loved her tribe

But nope, Carol went full retard and doesn't know how her own ring works

>>94721087
I'm pretty sure they show him thinking about Ice at some point in that story.

>>94721639
It doesn't say anything about how they operate or what exactly they do.

>>94721010
Brainwashing is closer to rehabilitation.

"Penance" is paying a price for what you did.
"Rehabilitation" is changing so you won't behave that way anymore and can fit in as a member of society.

>>94721794
Anon, if you don't know what dating services and churches do, you may want to get out from under that rock. Just saying.

>>94714969
>Poor Carol, she's been treated worse than Wonder Woman over the years, and that's saying something.
Which is interesting since she is basically Space Wonder Woman thee days

>>94715109
Wait you're trolling. I've been out of the green lantern loop, tell me that didn't happen

>>94721141
You can't start introducing other colors and NOT eventually explain where the rest of the rainbow comes in.

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>>94721750
>Beta Fag kiddo Kyle cuckolding Alpha Macho Hal with Hot Mature Carol and making her preggo and forever staining Hal/Carol relationship
>hopefully will got ignored

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>>94715632
They spread love and justice

They need to be DC sailor scouts that fight cosmic horrors that cause bad feelings and cause teenage breakups on every planet in the universe.

>>94721822
Except the Indigo rings explicitly make them behave in a way that precludes them from fitting in as a member of society.

>>94721838
I mean what the individual Star Sapphires and Blue Lanterns will be doing.

>>94717679
Their constructs are big pink crystals that infect can infect things with love. If someone is trapped in one for long enough they are brainwashed into a perfect love crazy happy reformed person.

They managed to reprogram a few Sinestros back in 09 and the programming stuck. They are still sapphires.

>>94721777
>early Venditti GL

Yeah, let's hold the guy who forgot emotions are a renewable resource and decided to say "Lanterns are draining the universe dry!" as a bastion of understanding the fucking lore.

>>94717679
Reds also lose all body functions and their heart, so stabbing,impaling them does not kill them.

>>94721141
It was a cool idea t the time because absolutely everyone assumed they would go away again the second blackest night was over.

That didn't happen and now we are just bored with everything

>>94721921
>Except the Indigo rings explicitly make them behave in a way that precludes them from fitting in as a member of society.

The FUCK are you talking about?

The purpose of an indigo ring is that if you put it on a clinical psychopath, someone whose brain is incapable of feeling empathy for other people, it will force them to feel empathy until their brain chemistry changes and they eventually become capable of doing it without needing the ring anymore.

See, empathy is a thing all normal people have, and the Indigos were serial killers because of their psychopathy.

>>94721942
I implied nothing of the sort

Just saying if Venditti got it right with one OC how did he (and Justin Jordan) manage to shit on Carol so hard

>>94722056
Why do you assume that interpretation of how Star Sapphires work is "getting it right"?

Guy had Ice and John wasn't suited to the pink ring.

>>94721999
It's more the nomadic ascetic deal than the empathy.

>>94722101
Because they're examples of people getting rings via non-romantic love? Which IMO is better than limiting the Star Sapphires to romantic love only

>>94717679
>>94717870
>SS can also find their "love" anywhere in the galaxy by shooting out a construct harpoon out of their tits/naval.

Yeah, they can home in on someone if they have access to a loved one to tether them to, and I'm pretty sure this love-line move has had healing properties on one or two occasions.

>>94720380
and dc removed it because of >muh sexism. fuck whoever thought to pander to the non reading demographic.

>>94722128
You can't rejoin society while you're serving your prison sentence, you gotta wait till it's over.

>>94722196
Have we seen anyone actually leave the Indigo Tribe? Indigo-1 demanded to return after being removed from them.

>>94721921
>I mean what the individual Star Sapphires and Blue Lanterns will be doing.
Setting up dates and spreading the word of hope, respectively.

The Sapphires would have councilors and probably columnists for advice articles. The Blues would have priests and missionaries. Y'know, same as such groups in the real world.

>>94722149
Non-romantic love doesn't have power behind it unless it's some real Beetle-and-Booster-strength bromance.

There's no way in the world I would ever believe John Stewart's vague, metaphorical appreciation for the Corps as a social unit falls under the definition of the word 'love' and is strong enough to deserve a ring. His pride in the corps, his feelings of comradery, I could understand filing those under things that motivate his willpower, or even compassion, but "love"?

What does the word "love" even MEAN at that point? Maybe it's time to define our terms.

>>94722230
Indigo's the longest serving member so as far as we know she's the only one whose ability to permanently feel empathy really took hold.

And she only wanted the ring back on because she still felt guilty for her past crimes and wanted powers to keep atoning with.

>>94722283
Parental love is stronger than romantic love though, everyone knows that

>>94722339
Acceptable, but nobody mentioned so far is a parent.

>>94722344
Hal would be a good dad imo, just come up with an adoption plot

>>94722283
>There's no way in the world I would ever believe John Stewart's vague, metaphorical appreciation for the Corps as a social unit falls under the definition of the word 'love' and is strong enough to deserve a ring.
I actually agree there, I don't see how John specifically loves the corps more than any other GL, I think Van Jensen was just a John fan trying to build him up

In Johns' GL the Star Sapphires seemed to function based more on obsessive, unhealthy romantic love and the loss associated with that but then we got Guy briefly sticking a sapphire ring on because of the corps and Ice (although I don't remember the shot of Ice? I just remember him screaming that he loved the corps while he had the red and sapphire both on), Kyle going through his dumb WL training doing the sapphire section because ???, John getting one because he loved the corps, that chick from Venditti GL who loved her people although she pretended it was because she fell in love with a GL, then Fatality's ring is forcefully removed and she says she was brainwashed the whole time and still hated John, then Carol apparently never actually loved Hal that much because there's zero effect on her powers from her leaving him for Kyle

I really hate how inconsistent the Sapphires are in general, the criteria for belonging to the corps isn't anything set in stone and their powers change every time they show up

>>94722403
>Hal Jordan
>single parent

Oh yeah, that'll work.

One day they'll find the kid dead in the car with the windows rolled up because Hal had to do a space mission...and didn't come home for nine fucking months.

Dude has lost every job and apartment he ever had to this same exact cause.

>>94722403
You want to make Hal Jordan responsible for a child?

>>94722458
Hey, if he never left Itty in a hot car he'd probably never leave a child in one!

Also he'd have to own a car, first

See, he'd be a great dad

>>94722254
While that sounds hilarious for a one-shot about side characters, it's a pretty shitty direction for a sustainable concept for the Star Sapphires unless you're turning it into some cosmic shoujo romance/SoL series. Blues would require creating a fictional religion for them to adhere.

>>94722283
Love
noun
1. An intense feeling of deep affection.

Maybe John really does care that much about his faction. That's really little different from patriotism, which is also a form of love.

Especially considering he's an ex-Marine. That feeling of belonging to something they feel is deeply important can define people.

>>94722434
Kyle I absolutely buy as a Sapphire without explanation because I've seen how he acts about Alex, Donna, Jade, and Soranik.

>>94722514
>patriotism, which is also a form of love.

Well I don't agree with you there.

We have a LOT of words in the English language, there are way better ones you could be using for that shit.

>>94722458
>>94722470
exactly, it would be entertaining af

>>94722483
>Blues would require creating a fictional religion for them to adhere.

There are a lot of comic writers who love coming up with this kind of filler and could just fill the whole concept out in a single issue

>>94722482
>Hal
>making car payments

>>94722536
>there are people literally willing to die for the sake of furthering their homeland's interests
>that's somehow not love
Uh huh.

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>>94721893
>Universal scale sailor scouts literally powered by love and sent to fight for justice

This...could actually work

make them fight negative powered demons and people spreading negative emotions

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>>94720738
>Hopefully not or she's gonna be mad that he's fucked at least one other woman and kept hitting on Soranik
Why is Kyle cheating on his rightful woman and mother of his child???
And let's be honest, what this anon is mentioning is going to be canon:
>>94720746
>last time I saw her she was pregnant with Kyle child
According with the twitter of Venditti she will be in some issue in a few months and I bet she I going to already showing her pregnancy if not already with a child just in time to remind Kyle of his lost son with Sora, that is the kind of thing that Venditti does and all of you know it.
Hal will be biggest cuckold of the DC Universe and I hate it.

>>94722760
d
leet

>>94722458
>>94722470
>>94722482
>Hal, what are you doing here? You're a single parent now, you just can't drop everything and show up in an active warzone, what if something happens to...you brought your kid, didn't you?
>Yeah! Gotta get that father/son bonding time in!
>800 ships locked in battle, 3 million troops launching a planetary invasion, billions of refugees caught in the crossfire, and you bring a nine year old.
>John, I'm sensing a little hostility; Guy, back me up on this.
>I used to be a social worker, Jordan. Wait, where is your kid?
>He's on that asteroid right over - the asteroid is gone. Just because I'm leaving to find my kid doesn't mean you've won the argument.

>>94722164
>and I'm pretty sure this love-line move has had healing properties on one or two occasions.
Kyle was resurrected by Miri using the love (and in turn the emotional tether) of Sora to make his heart beat again when Kyle sacrificed himself on the Sinestro War (or maybe the Blackes Night?), it was one of my favorite moments of the Geoff run but it makes worse the fact that Kyle lie to Sora about what he saw on the Sapphire crystal (his true love was Jade).

>>94722760
>According with the twitter of Venditti she will be in some issue in a few months and I bet she I going to already showing her pregnancy if not already with a child just in time to remind Kyle of his lost son with Sora, that is the kind of thing that Venditti does and all of you know it.
god that would be fucking awful

Hal n Pals didn't turn out nearly as terrible as I was expecting it to be based off his GL but I've had a lingering fear that he'd pull some bullshit like this

Kyle doesnt deserve happiness, or Carol for that matter. He's a massive fuckup famous for The Fridge, went mary sue with the Ion and White Lantern shit, and recently fucked up the alliance between the Sinestro Corp and GLC. Carol should either be with Hal, or by herself.

>>94722970
Can we get Venditti off the Green Lantern books, please? Who the fuck is he blackmailing, and does it involve a horse? Goddamn.

>>94723024
CarolxFerris Air OTP

>>94722723
If I have to explain the difference to you, you probably haven't experienced actual love.

No seriously, what is this "Carol is pregnant" shit?

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Auntie Carol should be a babysitter in Super Sons.

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>>94722792
I'd love to delete the first few years of Venditti on GL and th whole run of Justin Jordan but I can't, specially that showcase whare is implied pregnant Carol should completely erased too, however we can't do anything like that right?
>>94722970
I was really scared when the rebirth started because of what he was going to do now with Hal but so far the run has been not bad, even his DCYOU run with hobo Hal was not bad either but now that he mentioned Carol sketches of Carol on his twitter, with the pregnancy of the Showcase and the erased son with Sora I'm pretty sure he is going to do something like I mentioned before, and everything is going to happen in front of Hal, I'll be so fucking angry if he actually does it.
>>94722859
I actually could love to read Hal as a parent, single or married I bet he could be a great dad, I mean after all he grew up without his dad and he always idolized him, he could try to be the best dad.
Also some like that should be written by Tom King, he could perfect for that kind of themes as demonstrated on that one shot of the Darkside War.
BTW just to say, I really, really want to see Hal as God of Light, maybe for METAL or Doomsday Clock???

>>94723389
>Not Aunt Diana

>>94723153

She cuckold Hal with latin white lantern master of space sex and last time Carol was shown it was heavily implied that she was pregnant with Kyle child.

But don´t worry in return she was female cuckolded by Omega princess and right now Kyle is interested in Shenestro

>>94723425
Diana is Big Sister.

>>94723441
>and last time Carol was shown it was heavily implied that she was pregnant with Kyle child.

This is the puzzle piece I'm missing. I try to keep up to date on all the Lantern books and I don't remember that shit at all.

>>94723450
No, Bizarro is the big brother, Diana is resident babysitter so she can learn to take care of kids and not fuck up her future son

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>>94723425
Yes.

>>94723153
It was implied in some Talent Showcase oneshot a few months ago, she had something very important to tell Kyle and he assumed and inferred she was pregnant, anyway we have not seen anything from her (maybe except a single panel at beginning of the Rebirth) ever since that, at last until now that it seems she is going to be soon in a issue of HJGLC, which is awfully suspicious.

>>94723499
>John and Damian's faces
horrifying

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>>94723462

>>94723682
Ehhh...seems like the setup for a "comical misunderstanding" scene. Chocolate isn't even a stereotypical pregnancy craving, bitches just like chocolate.

The fact that he just left it fucking hanging is the only thing that makes it suspicious.

>>94723492
Don't you legitimize Hitch's OOC writing.

Justice League doesn't even seem like it's canon to the rest of the line, nobody in the entire company is using those science characters and their time travel pillars Hitch puts in every fuckin' story arc.

>>94723589
>which is awfully suspicious.
her showing up isn't that suspicious, she had a cameo in Hal n Pals Rebirth issue and she was on the cover

She hasn't shown up aside from a couple cameos in what, two years? She's about due for an appearance

The suspicious part is that it's taken this fucking long for Venditti to use her in HJGLC and the timing is after this stupid Kyle/Soranik future kid shit fizzled out

>>94723753
Hey dont look at me, I just pointing out whats happening right now. The only thing I like from that is Barry X Jess Diana being a shitty mom just seems out of character

>>94723786
That's because it IS out of character.

Diana was the one who was MAD at the other Amazons for dumping their sons in Azzarello's arc, and the Azzarello version of the Amazons aren't even canon anymore, Rebirth brought back the Post-Crisis pacifist-immortals who don't- hate men.

>>94723589
Those talent showcases were all fairly non-cannon. One of them had Wally in it before Rebirth even happened.

>>94715162
>Geoff Johns decided that all non-Lantern GL supporting characters are not worth the time
I was so excited when the solicits for New 52 GL came out and it was all "Hal goes back to the life he forgot! He's lost his house, his job, his girlfriend!" And I was all "yay we get to see Cowgirl again".
Nope. Geoff flat out forgot she existed after Blackest Night.

>>94723416
I want Dad Hal so bad it hurts

>>94723847
>And I was all "yay we get to see Cowgirl again".

Fuck Cowgirl, I wanted Tom to show up again. He got completely shafted in Johns' run and it was bullshit.

>>94723886
yeah, Tom deserves better

when's the last time he even showed up? New Guardians #0?

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>>94723852
>I want Dad Hal so bad it hurts
So much this, if he was so good with his younger (mourning) self can you imagine how as good could be with his son???

>>94723425
I just realized, if the DCEU ever does Blackest Night, we may very well see Star Sapphire Wondy.

>>94723886
He could receive maybe a blue ring, I mean they short of staff after all.

>>94720846
Wait, how do you know she'll be in #37? has solicits for #37 even been shown yet?

>>94721822
You forget the whole purpose of Indigo isn't to rehabilitate perse, Indigo-1 was a fluke that she actually gained empathy but the Indigo tribe was created to be the Green's private army when the need arises

>>94726230
Venditti says he just wrote a scene with her in it, around the same time he says he just finished issue #36

https://twitter.com/robertvenditti/status/890758135127969792

https://twitter.com/robertvenditti/status/895999310818459648

So she's probably in 36-37 at the very least, and she might show up earlier

>>94723786
>The only thing I like from that is Barry X Jess
That's still bad.

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>>94726307
Oh god no. Hopefully Kyle/Carol has been erased but I want Hal to remember that he was gonna propose to Carol (and Carol knows this) and was dumped because " I DON'T THINK YOU'RE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS"

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Reading this gave me an aneurysm, cherry on top that this is 1 issue after the spectacular last issue of Johns on GL.

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>>94714969
Well, she at least got her happy ending during John's era, and I think that is more than other womens will have, aside elseworlds.

>>94726396
What's even worse is that if they'd waited like, an issue or two THEN they could have had Hal and Carol split mutually because he'd be too busy running the GLC poorly, which is still shitty but not nearly as stupid as this

but nah, had to start shitting on Hal and getting Carol onto Kyle's dick ASAP

>>94726524
>too busy running the GLC poorly
Hal was actually running it pretty well compared to John all things considering. You had GLs not quitting because of the whole "LIGHTSRUNNINGOUT" shit, you had the "NEWGODSAREFIGHTINGTHECORPS" shit and then he successfully defended the Durlan's from getting buffed with the fire alien energy shit. Not to shit on John or anything tho but they really should retract the corps leader role, the only reason the templar guardians did it (I hope the bring them back since they referenced the shadow chamber) was because all the old guardians were dead or gone and that they had no experience because they were in isolation for billions of years but now Ganthet (the only guardian that ever mattered) and Sayd are back.

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Also why I hate #21 of New52 GL is that Carol knows that Hal has his duties and understands them but then she breaks off with him even knowing that the corps is in a wreck because of the things the Guardians did and she knows that Hal is leading the corps and therefore has virtually no free time.

>>94726590
Hal got stuck with a load of shit when he was in charge and everybody was shitting on him for every decision he made

The ONLY arc where things kinda turned out in his favor as leader was the Durlan thing

no wonder he took off to become a space hobo, everyone around him is a fucking ingrate

>>94726468
There should have been a son of Hal with the rest of the kids in the Justice League of Hitch, I know that there could have been maybe too many lanterns but they work on Corps after all, right?
Maybe even one lantern kid more of Guy and Larfleeze or Tora

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>>94726711
I don't have the page but in #41 the Templar Guardians did commend Hal for a job well done since they know that the circumstances were an uphill climb but he still managed to pull it off. If you think about it Hal became the leader at the worst time, the reputation of the corps was at an all time low considering the Guardians tried to fucking assimilate all organic life, then news that all lanterns are actually slolwly killing the universe, then they had to fight the newgods( I fucking hate how they were basically doing 0 damage to newgods, I mean if Superman can dent newgods, lanterns should also be able to hurt them). I actually like HoboHal and I hope they bring back Darelene and crew, book became a lot better when Vendetti stopped writing Hal and Pals prototype and started writing solo Hal. I will admit this tho, Hal's issues with Howard and Jane are the best whoever the writer maybe.

>>94726821
yeah, Hal interacting with his brother's family was some of the few parts I liked from Venditti GL

shame there's no time for that in Hal n Pals

>>94726788
Yes, it could have been great, but as you said, there would be too many lanterns, and not only that he would be the third one, but the other two have all the colors, so very unnecessary any other lantern.

>>94722760
I really didn't like when they shipped them together.

>>94729776
All this time I've wondered, was there someone, anyone who liked it???
Someone asking for it, because they shipped them really hard for some time for some stupid sick reason and I still don't understand why? It was not even necessary for the story in New Guardians or any other story so far.

>>94729992
Yep, pacing was really weird since the reason Carol and Kyle teamed up in the first place was to find Hal (who was in the dead zone) and despite knowing each other for roughly a month Carol decided to break up with Hal (also her potential fiancee since she saw the engagement ring) for Kyle. It's a spit on the character.

>>94730018
>Yep, pacing was really weird since the reason Carol and Kyle teamed up in the first place was to find Hal
You know when I first read those issues and read them bonding in order to use his White Lantern powers I was already to fear something like what actually happened, at the time I chalked it up to my fetishist imagination (I'm a eager reader of NTR doujins) but now I think the editorial was planning this pairing since the end of the Geoff run, beginning of the New52.
Maybe that was their original intent for Lantern franchise with the New52? A younger Kyle and Carol as a couple with a older Hal as mentor or something like that? But Geoff blocked them as much as he could?

>>94730388
I don't know about that, what I do know is that Vendetti didn't read John's last issue and decided to break them off immediately. Also I'm pretty sure because of F.P Kyle is closer to age to Hal/John/Guy, I mean back then he was still in his 20's when everyone else was in their 40's, it'd also be weird if Kyle retained his age since Carol is old enough to be him mom pre F.P.

>>94719395
Off the top of my head just before Sinestro Corps War there's a nice Sapphire arc

>>94721822
To be fair, it's implied that the original personalities of the Indigoes buried deep within can't stand being forced to be compassion lanterns

>>94721870
Having someone's sloppy seconds is cucking now?

>>94731249
At this point, the fact that women exist at all qualifies as cucking.

>>94731249

She broke up with Hal for very nebulous and flimsy reasons and then immediately shacked up with his much younger co-worker. I mean it's not going by the exact textbook definition of cuckolding, but it's more than just "sloppy seconds".

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The animated series made her a fuckin' cutie.

>>94730916
Yeah, Indigo-1 is the only one who showed a hint of compassion and remorse developing when she took the ring off but it was still just a tiny bit and she wanted the ring back on, the rest didn't feel it at all

>>94730388
>Maybe that was their original intent for Lantern franchise with the New52? A younger Kyle and Carol as a couple with a older Hal as mentor or something like that?
GL editorial has been so terrible I wouldn't be shocked if one of them wanted something shitty like that

>>94726788
>future JL lantern kids are all shitty spawn from a bad pairing
>future GL kid is Kyle and Soranik's shitty son

How long must I wait for cute future Hal babies

Hal is too good for this cunt

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*steals your gf*
pshhhh nothing personal Jordan

>>94720018
there's an unspoken rule in the comic book industry that no one can ever truly stay married because readers supposedly identify with their favorite characters and when their favorite characters get married it makes the reader feel shitty because it will never happen to them, never mind the fact that readers will also never get laid but they still include that up the ass all across the medium but whatever

>>94732848
Nah, DC is trying to actually make characters respective love interest now.

>>94732811

Got to fuck Hal's woman AND keep their friendship. How does he do it?

>>94719811
Barry & Cruz do hook up in possible future. They even have three kids together. The twins have emotional spectrum GL powers sorta like how Jade was. Where the other girl has Flash's speed.

>>94726360
>That last panel
Yeah that's the typical reaction to finding out a GL is Kyle

>>94732973
Hal gave them their blessing during the Relic arc. Its pretty shit.

Honestly Hal should never be with someone outside of the Green Lanterns. He's married to his job & non GLs would be left behind. Any kid they would possibly have would be missing out on their father seeing how any non GL would be on Earth.

Seeing how he really doesn't get paid. How he doesn't even own an apartment or a car. Last time he was on Earth for any extended period he was living with his Brother. So he'd show up maybe once a year if he could remember it.

Now if his wife was a GL, he'd be able to see her everyday. They wouldn't have to worry about children, because the kids will be on Mogo or Oa if they ever get around to fix it. That way he'll return there more often than Earth. Plus he probably could get partnered with his wife. Which would free up Kyle to smooth things over with Soriak.

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>>94732716
I liked the GLTAS version.

>>94732973
Hal is a good person who's used to his friends being shitty to him

>>94733416
t. Arisia

>>94733632
Exactly. Hal needs a cutie whom he can be himself with. Someone who understands his love of freedom & the corp. Someone he wouldn't mind being married to & having kids with, because he doesn't have to worry about them. With a ring he knows his waifu will well protected.

Shit if it wasn't for Jessica x Barry, Jessica x Hal would work really well.

>>94733759
or they can do the Miller Hal where he becomes an omnipotent god who turns himself into a construct and fucks his construct alien wife like an autist.

>>94733533
Let's not act like Hal hasn't been in the same situation. When Guy "died", Hal swooced right into Kari's arms and nearly got married to her.

>>94733807
They weren't close at the time and Guy was technically brain dead but I'll give you that.

>>94733824
He wasn't brain dead just yet during the wedding, he was still in the middle of Zod torturing him to get the brain damage rolling before Sinestro sealed the deal.

>>94733807

Yeah that was shitty of Hal too. I think Hal kinda did Guy a favor there, though. Kari wasn't exactly a winner, and Guy found a much better girl in Ice.

>>94733911
Too bad we might never get to see Guy and Tora again since they're always on Mogo/Space.

>>94733780
Wait. What? Got sauce on that?

>>94733992
It's in the Dark Knight returns and the Master race. Hal becomes pure will (still has yellow weakness) but he's basically a reality warper at this point of time, he also secluded himself from sentient life and lives in his own construct world.

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>>94723416
>>94723852
>>94724042

I miss Helen

>>94734077
She's probably dead now or reincarnated. Reading that run was sad, when Jack and his wife dies and Helen thinks because her Uncle is the spectre she can go visit them anytime they want.

>>94733807
They thought Guy was dead and Kari was the one who hit on him first and she's the one who proposed, and Hal wasn't surprised at all that she left him at the altar when they found out Guy was alive

It's not like Hal flirted with Kari while she was dating Guy then she broke up with Guy for no reason to hook up with Hal

Hal should adopt a cute alien boy

>>94734014
>>94734014
What? I thought in DKSA Hal had married an alien woman and started living as an alien with her, what's all this other stuff?

In master race Hal comes back to earth but I don't recall any of those things happening

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>>94734118
and maybe he can turn out to be Lyrl Dox, idk

>>94734137
In the Master race it's showm more clearly that it's not really an "alien" but its just a construct, also it's pretty obvious in DKSA that it was just a construct since everything was green.

>>94734189
So. Then how come his hand was severed if he's an energy construct. Can't he just recreate his hand? I mean in Rebirth his ring is just something he created out of his own will.

>>94734361
Well the world he created in was a construct but he can still morph into a physical body, the thing about the Master race was that Hal thought himself a god, even the Kryptonians thought he was a god since he was that strong but they saw right through him and recognized he was still human and went for his ring, which is kinda weird since in DKSA Bruce did say that Hal didn't need a ring anymore. I interpret it that he Hal himself thought he was a god but since he lost his hand he remembers he's just human/a lantern that's why he stuck around in earth afterwards.

How the fuck do the Star Sapphires and Indigo Tribe even fucking work? It's clear how the powers of the rest of the emotional spectrum but how do you beat people up with love or compassion?

>>94734469
Indigo is empathy, therefore they "feel" for others hence why they can use the other emotional spectrum except for White and love could be something besides romantic love, love for self, love for nation so I guess they use that love to create constructs, idk.

>>94734469
SS do beat people up with energy constructs using the power of love. However its an unhealthy obsessive love that takes you over. Until you kill the thing you love because that way no one else can have it. Or kidnapping them and encasing them in crystal so that you can look at them forever.

Indigo is forced compassion. They're stripped of all emotion and basically enslaved into the Indigo Corps. All of them are former criminals. Their lack of emotion & will allows them to have compassion, which allows them to utilize other emotions by sucking their constructs up & using it against the creator.

>>94734427
Miller is a hack.

>>94734469
>how do you beat people up with love or compassion?
You brainwash them apparently

>>94714969
The DCU is filled with stunning brunette girls who have been largely forgotten or actively ignored by history. My favorite is Alanna, Adam Strange's girlfriend.

>>94734469
Indigos fight by mimicking other ring colors. Empathy interpreted as the ability to feel whatever emotion someone else is feeling, and thus use that part of the spectrum.

And why wouldn't love be capable of violence? For good guys, think of feeling the need to protect your loved ones and for bad guys, think of crazy stalkers.

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>>94736783
At least she was a qt alien in Young Justice

>>94736783
I wouldn't say she's been forgotten when she had several stories about her in the new 52 they made her black though

>>94733283
You know nobody else will ever acknowledge Hitch JL as any kind of canon, right?

Hell I bet the arc even ends with the kids turning out to be some kind of fake.

>>94736783
Alanna is still shown, she's chocolate now tho and also earth raised but I guess they retcon, in the life and death of Hawkman mini.

>>94736960
It's obviously gonna be like an AU or something like that.

>>94720667
>There's no one who knows enough about what's romantic to be comfortable writing romance.
>And the audience they're writing for wouldn't appreciate it anyway, they just want DBZ-style punch-ups and power "feats".
THIS, this right here, is what is choking the industry as a whole. You can bitch all you want about SJW shot, whatever, I think those kind of things move in cycles and fads, but this is part of a larger picture that I think is killing the immense storytelling potential of capes. It's a mixture of extremely low expectations from readers and lack of vision of the writers.

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What kind of boss is she?

I like to think tough, but fair. Gives you a hard time, but only because she knows you can do better.

>>94732973
cause...........
hal is cuck

>>94723682
>hal cuck

>>94737176
Bad, she has barely been on Earth since hook up with Kyle, she literally left was working when she just left to whoring in space with Kyle, but to her Hal is the irresponsible one.

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Hal needs a good girl like WW

>>94722283
Romantic-love is actually the weakest form of love despite what fiction tells you.

>>94733283
>>94736960
>>94736985
I smell shenanigans regarding the kids being legit or the future ever happening, but Im not opposed to the pairing. They have good chemistry at least. However if they dont end up together, at least fix Iris, because Im starting to hate her lately given how shes been written.

>>94739547
Hal needs someone who can dom the hell out of him

Wondy is a good choice

>>94739777
Well he has dibs on her since the New52.

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>>94721843
>Carol
>Space Wonder Woman

>>94740516
Has anybody else ever noticed that Carol Danvers is just female Hal Jordan

>>94740564
The writers of her movie are changing her origin because it is too much like Hal's.

>>94740564
Carol/Carol OTP

>>94740711
Carol/Hal/Carol sandwich

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>>94740711
This.

>>94742149
Yo, that's cute as fuck.