Name a bigger Mary Sue than this guy right here

Batman.

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>1000 year old bisexual vampire half-human half-demon who can absorb other people's powers whose only ""flaw"" is her daddy issues because her real father is the king of hell and her adoptive father figure got dementia

>>94702202
Mabel, maybe?

>>94702202
That looks like season 1 Rick, though.

>>94702202

oh shit is that Pickle Rick?

Meme's aside he's pretty close
>Self insert of writer
>Most powerful being in the world that can waste any obstacle easily
>Is usually always right about situations or people
>Everyone loves him
>His faults are sometimes not really faults
The only thing that's preventing him from going full Mary Sue is that his character isn't meant to be an ideal person to look up to. Despite always being right the show makes it very clear that he is not a good person and people who generally hang around him end up for the worse. If it weren't for this detail he would in fact be full fledged Mary Sue and unbearable.

I don't think you understand what a Mary Sue is.

Rick is consistently portrayed as an asshole who hurts his family.

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>>94702202
Lord Dominator. At least Rick has intelligence to verify the science bullshit he has, and his stuff isn't particularly amazing visually (his ship uses trash cans as the thrusters), and the stuff he has has its flaws and limitations (the portal gun can run out of energy, he can't create shit out of mid-air, he doesn't have any powerful allies/minions/etc), and he himself has flaws (alcoholism, generally being forgetful, socially awkward, etc).
Dominator, on the other hand, is just a shitty quirky teenager who just has everything she could ever need from the get-go with no explanation. She's virtually indestructible (a warmonger's ship using its full weapon capabilities couldn't scratch her), she's beautiful and uses her looks to get what she wants, she can create lava out of nothing and immobilize anyone with it or just use it as a weapon, when they use her one weakness to attack her it doesn't harm her at all and she gains ice powers for no fucking reason, she has an infinite, regenerating army of massive robots, and her ship can destroy entire planets without much issue.

There will never, ever be any character that's more of a Mary Sue than Dominator.

>>94702317
You can tell the writers room was really enamored with Marceline and PB as characters and sought every opportunity to 'empower' them. Meanwhile Finn had an opposite arc, going from a indefatigable optimist ready to take on the world (while also having the power to succeed) to being made to face his limitations, naivety and shortcomings.

If it had been thought out as a coherent story-arc instead of just a sporadic treatment that came off as less as a natural progression of growth than a sadistic experiment at knocking him down a couple pegs it could have made for an interesting storyline

>>94702202
God
OH WAIT!! *airhorns sound off* WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB!!!

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>>94702317
>entire story arc of multiple episodes showing how she's unable to truly mature as a person or move on from her adolescence
>no flaws
ok autist

>>94702317
>adoptive father figure got dementia
That episode hit me in my feels so fucking hard.

>>94702532
>Most powerful being in the world
He's been outsmarted a few times (even if it's by other ricks, that still counts), and there are times where he fears for his life.
>Is usually always right about situations or people
He's smart. That's his character. Being smart doesn't make him a Mary Sue; not to mention, he's been wrong.
>Everyone loves him
Blatantly false. Beth, Summer, Bird Person, and Squanchy are the only people who really "love" him. Morty is clearly tired of Rick's bullshit and only really hangs out with him because of cool sci-fi adventures, and several people, including some of his friends, hate him.
>His faults are sometimes not really faults
If he was a Mary Sue, he wouldn't have any. Even so, the times where his faults end up "helping" him generally still end up hurting him.

>>94702556
Yeah but the conceit of the show is that all victims deserve to suffer or be killed, they make up whatever random scifi concept to make sure Rick is always validated.

>>94702202
Mary Sue

Gee, that was easy.

>>94702202
He got blackout drunk and crapped his pants in the last episode, how is that mary sue?

>>94702835
He got so drunk he effortlessly defeated a comic book event villian and set a series of traps to humilate the heroes who slighted him all off screen.

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Her

Her writer and VA knows it and self inserts as her and so do the people working with her which explicitly state it in a commentary.

That's not the only shitty thing about her though, it's that her VA sucks and can't emote and constantly sounds grating

>>94702202
River Song

>>94702705
Latest episode has made it clear that even when Rick is right, it doesn't justify his actions.

>>94702202
Literally any Mary Sue.

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>She's an ex-bounty hunter who used to work with gangsters
>An expert in hand to hand combat, marskmanship, and demolitions
>She's a talented artist and pretty
>She's a Mandalorian
>And she has a lightsaber even though she's not a Jedi
>And her lightsaber is unique because it's black
>And she's the Queen of the Mandalorians
>Only 16 years old

At least Rick is old enough to make all of his accomplishments semi plausible.

>>94702557
She's the villain It's impossible for her to be a Mary sue. In the end all that stuff does for a villain is make it more epic when she fails, which she does. She's an asshole with a lot of power, so she makes a good obstacle for our hero Wander, She's supposed to be strong or else what would be the point of her.

>>94704949
So what you're saying is that she's a trust fund kid who went to the best schools who abandoned her duties so she could run around slumming it with the proles for fun?

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really

>>94704960
Villains aren't exempt from being classified as mary sues

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>>94705414
makes me

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>>94702202
>Good at science and adventures
>Raging alcoholic slowly destroying his own family and incapable of feeling love for any extended amount of time
>One of the most self centered characters ever created

Rick is an incredibly flawed character I don't know what you're talking about

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>>94705434
THINK

Notice how they only escaped this girl due to luck. YAAS QUEEN SLAY!

>>94705459
This anyone who comes in contact with Rick either suffers or dies he was a marry sue hell he mutated his own universe unable to salvage it abandoning it for another

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>>94702557
You're right, they went overboard with the Ice thing.

>>94703608
No wonder I hated her.

>>94704949
Yeah, makes sense. Another thing is that the MC has a crush on her, and she just acts like that's expected.

>>94705553
Every time someones uses "YAAS" ironically, it makes me want to rape them.

>>94705613
So you'd prefer people to use it unironically?

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>>94705626
Yes, because at least then they're not pretending to be retarded. I also don't talk to, or see anyone who does it unironically anymore because I don't surround myself with those kind of people, online or outside.

>>94703544
>got drunk

so then he's not a Mary Sue

>defeated a villain

Also not the definition of a Mary Sue

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>>94705553
>YAAS QUEEN SLAY!
I hope you realize you're one of the only faggots who continues to use this phrase, even if it's "ironically"

>>94705553
Okay, then you find out

The White Guy was the only well adjusted one
The Black Guy got cucked by a million ant dicks
And the chick is an unstable wreck switching between fighting with her ex, killing her lover, and trying to kill the protagonists before having to run away because she's ruled entirely by her emotions.
Are you trying to make a point, or did you not think this all the way through?

I'd give a shit about this if that was the point of the show. It's not.

>>94702202
I'm pretty neutral to Rick and Morty, and I can tell you that Rick is not a Mary Sue. He's just as competent as the plot demands or for when it's the funniest.

Yeah, sure, he beat Worldender while drunk. But in just the episode before he was about to die to a dork playing the piano.

>>94702627
Why's she dead then?
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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>>94705613
Anon, i dont think its natural for wanting to rape a person, even if they say something you dont like, you scare me when you say thing like this.

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>>94706404
Never underestimate the ability of autists to argue over the intricate details of a comedy show

>>94702202
I would but I'm not allowed to mention her on this board.

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>>94706648
Fuck you she was always a good character. She had a lot of shortcomings.

>>94706679
Let's take this discussion to her thread on the related board, shall we?

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I wouldn't call rick a Mary Sue. Sues are supposed to be loved by all - Rick clearly is not.

You could put him into a new category. Maybe an Invincible Sue or something. Mary Sue minus the universally likability.

>>94702217
No. Superman.

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Yeah I love her but wow.

>>94706689
there is a difference between a character pulling a win out of their ass using a deus ex machina and being a mary sue.

>>94706718
I replied there. Sorry wrong character. You're right, she's a Mary Sue alright

>>94702705
ehh, rick isn't always validated, the last episode seemed to just be a kind of a parody of the fact that any sort of superheros that actually do act like that probably would be corrupt like a lot of people in power are, and even then not all of the superheros did anything inherently wrong, the difference is that rather than also showing how Rick was right and he is amazing, it shows that he probably still did more harm then good, really doesn't care too much about his family, and is still a huge asshole, yes he prooved that the heroes were shit, but he didn't actually improve the situation, as morty said throughout the episode everything was pretty much just made to show how Rick was right about them, it wasn't help anyone but himself.

>>94702202
somewhere around season 2 the premise of the show changed where he stopped being a fuckup living in his daughters garage and became time lord batman

>>94706872
What's Mary Sue about her?

>>94705553
>>94705944
>worst one gets to live
Black guy did nothing wrong

>>94707231
She got away with everything by bitching about not getting her way. Not even joking.

>>94705944
The point was that the white guy who was supposed to be the leader didn't even try and just got "triggered" and tried to run, the black guy grabbed Rick but then lost, which is understandable, but when the woman fights Rick she would have killed him and Morty if it weren't for them getting lucky. What's up with that? It's clearly some feminist garbage. Either make Rick OP or make him balanced. It shouldn't be so inconsistent.

>>94704960

Hey look everyone point and laugh. It's someone who hasn't figured out that Rick is the villain of Rick and Morty yet.

biggest of mary sue

>>94707343
How so?

Can we talk about how this show is ruining the youth?

https://youtu.be/MQe7SRtG8UI?t=33m13s

>>94702202
Ebony Dementia Darkness Raven Way

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>>94702202
Sofia from Sofia the First.

Try to find a legitimate flaw with the protagonist. Other than the villains that get their just-desserts, Sofia is loved by everyone she encounters.

>>94707366
>it doesn't mean anything
That's basically the entire show. People keep pretending that it's deep for no reason.

>>94702202
Jean Grey

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>it's 'I don't know what Mary Sue means' thread #237527059826109823103

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>>94707366
>Allowing youths to watch vulgar shows

This is acceptable in America, and yet Lolicon isn't.

>>94707251
I don't give a fuck his powers were awesome. It's like Hal Jordon but stupidly specific.

>>94707428
Isn't the point of the show it talks about deep shit but the overall meaning of it is that people take that deep shit differently and ultimately it doesn't matter because it's a fucking cartoon.

>>94702202
Can't sorry.

>>94707428
They act like Rick is the first person to ever live his life as a nihilist. Sure he's nihilistic and wacky, but Susan Sarandon called him on his bullshit by saying that he uses his intelligence to excuse his own irresponsible behavior. If he stopped to pause for a second he could ground himself in any of his realities and find meaning in attachment, but he's too busy sucking his own dick to even consider that anyone besides himself might mean anything. Importance on a universal scale doesn't exist. You can't expect to find it on a multiversal scale. He could free himself from his own loneliness by stopping and finding meaning in his family, or anything else really. But he hasn't and he won't because he's too afraid of limiting himself to a single reality and growing up.

Like Dr. Wong said, he'd rather die (or risk death constantly) than accept that he needs to work on himself.

>>94705459
Doesn't make him less of a Mary Sue.

Kinda surprising that 4chan hates Rick so much, since he basically says a lot of the same things 4chan says.

>>94706770
It's called plot armor.

>>94707787
He hits too close to home and the people here hate him for popularizing the same nihilism that makes them feel special for not feeling special.

Zim
Mandy
Batman
Tim

>>94707564
>he's a flawed character
>list of his flaws

>those flaws don't make him less of an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character.

nigga what? learn what words mean

>>94702202
anyone.

>>94707993
"/co/'s point is that nothing is special or different. That's always /co/'s point"

>>94702532

>Self insert of writer

Technically, this would only matter if we were talking about fanfiction. The original definition of a Mary Sue is "a character inserted into a fanfiction who is portrayed as always right, damn near perfect, and often to help the author live out a given fantasy". R&M is an original narrative, not a fanfic.

>Most powerful being in the world that can waste any obstacle easily
>Is usually always right about situations or people

Yes, that is why his character exists: to provoke conflict by being a genius amongst a universe full of idiots.

>Everyone loves him

Nope. Jerry doesn't love him. Most of the other characters in the show either don't give a shit about him or actively hate him. Only Beth, Morty, and Summer are shown to have any sort of affection for Rick -- Beth out of a desire to keep Rick in her life again, Morty and Summer because Rick takes them on crazy-ass adventures.

>His faults are sometimes not really faults

Except they are. The infamous therapist monologue explains that Rick's intelligence and aversion to self-improvement are the primary causes of his self-destructive behavior. He gets bored with "doing the work", as it were, that he goes on insane adventures throughout the universe so he can run away from the fact that he is basically bored to death of living. Not only is his nihilistic approach to life is not only rubbing off on Morty and Summer, he is actively putting their lives in danger every time he takes them on an adventure.

Rick is a character who seems perfect it you only watch the show every once in a while and barely pay attention. If you watch the show with the intent of looking past the jokes and the "holy shit" moments, you'll see that Rick is a self-destructive asshole whom only a handful of people like, mostly because those people are family.

>>94706872
I really despised her in season 2, especially after the date rape thing

>>94707422
You can't complain about Mary Sues in fucking toddler shows dude.

>>94702202
I don't think you understand the concept.

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>>94702202
Yeah total winner all the time right here. Why is /co/ so shit lately?

See
>>94689692
>>94689712
I knew he was OP.
I also knew he was OP enough to be on the Ultimates.

But this is ridiculous
AND he got through the shield

>>94702202
Anyone miss when he was a drunk nutjob that cared about his grandson on stupid levels? Like how he'll drag Morty out of bed and go drunk saucer flying, but wants to make Morty the new Adam.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qtdCIs6JdXg

>>94708223
>wahhh I can't find a single entity that can satisfy my urges and willingly stay with me

>>94708246
Uh huh, that was the plot of the episode.

>>94706956
>>94708228
Albeit America is Mary Sue too with her punch dimension access etc-probably only likes to use her fist because teleportation cost; the rest of the team is Mary Sue as well sans maybe Carol

Black Panther is the biggest Mary Sue of them all, his history of Mary Sue stuff is extensive.
Even Monica, also a Mary Sue and Blue Marvel struggle more.

If its not politics, he's probably Marvel's biggest Mary Sue and the panels where he defeats a Tiger God that is capable of tearing apart the embodiment of universal law is a pretty poetic acknowledgement of that

I can't take it anymore. This show is just bad now. WHy did they fucking do this? Why did they make a long hotel room conversation where morty whines "it bothers me that these people don't like us"? What the fuck? This show used didn't use to be like this. This is like a single camera sitcom with cartoon violence. This is more than being mediocre and joke-less, or not as funny as the 1st season, it feels like a totally different show. I'm so bummed about this. I loved rick and morty.

>>94708133
>Rick is a character who seems perfect it you only watch the show every once in a while and barely pay attention.
Probably most people here have seen the whole series so you are wrong about that.

Rick counts as a Mary Sue because all these supposed "flaws" such as disregarding his family's suffering are depicted by the shows creator as funny and deserved, and rick's own self-harm/murder sprees are laughed off with a fart joke or icecream or McDonalds or whatever.

>>94707787
Rick is a bad dramatic character, but he's a really good comedic foil.

>>94702202
I think that's kinda the point of his character? He's a quasi-god with his portal gun and ability to invent/do anything, but he spends his time getting wasted and dicking around.

>>94708335
Except since the last season when those loses were shown to have weight. Bird Person's long explanations of wubalubadubdub, Rick's suicide attempt, Beth's breakdown at the end of season 2. None of those flaws were laughed off.

>>94708395
He generally came off as more vulnerable in earlier episodes though. Like the pilot, or the gazorpazorp episode, or even Total Rickall.

>>94708419
Yeah, when season 2 went sent out with NIN- Hurt, which should have been a joke, but wasn't, we should have see the writing on the wall. Rick and Morty was getting Harmon'd and there was nothing we could do to stop it.

>>94708419
I guess I didn't see those as humanizing because the creators are seemingly fine with him getting away with heinous violence so casually I don't bother to apply consistency or plausibility to the character relationships.

>>94708465
Towards the end of season 2 the signs were all there and now
>the creators are seemingly fine with him getting away with heinous violence so casually I don't bother to apply consistency or plausibility to the character relationships.
era of Rick and Morty is over. It's practically Bojack Horseman in this season.

>>94708335

>Rick counts as a Mary Sue because all these supposed "flaws" such as disregarding his family's suffering are depicted by the shows creator as funny and deserved

Under what logic? He disregards the suffering of others because he is a self-absorbed hyper-intelligent nihilist; for him, the only reason to stop anyone from suffering is "it interferes with my being awesome".

>rick's own self-harm/murder sprees are laughed off with a fart joke or icecream or McDonalds or whatever

Aside from entertaining the audience, the entire goddamn reason for Rick being written as the guy who gets the best lines and awesome action shit is to underscore just how deeply fucked up his life is. If he weren't funny, the show wouldn't be worth watching, because we would be watching some dour asshole threaten the lives of his family for the sake of relieving his own boredom.

>>94708452

God forbid a show become something a little deeper, huh? Shoulda just been six seasons of WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB, huh?

Christ, if you had it your way, the oriignal Teen Titans would've been Teen Titans Go.

Bella Swan from twilight

Other than the fact that he is consistently written as the 'antagonist' of the series and forces Morty in situations he hates?

>>94708579
Morty places himself in worse situations than Rick as a result of his morals, though.

>>94707366
>>94707428
I think anon posted that because a little boy held his hand up for dick photoshopping

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>R&M tries to have wacky adventures and LE PICKLE RICK
>it also tries to have serious dramatic moments
>But then it shits all over its own dramatic moments

How do you expect me to take this shit seriously

>>94707305
you're missing the point

normally the white guy is the leader, he is a pussy, normally the black guy does the cucking. he got cucked. a million times.

>>94708714
That's the point of being Harmon. Your hate can't hurt him if he hates himself more.

>>94704949
This. She's a fucking awful character. Barely acceptable at the best of times. Awful fan-fic tier shit otherwise. I guess even Filoni can get it wrong sometimes

>>94702317
Looks like somebody never bothered to watch "Stakes".

>>94702202
I never considered Rick a Mary Sue. The term doesn't apply to him, and I wonder if you understand what the trope means.

He's a coward. People hate him. He's not remotely attractive. The only thing he has going for him is his mind and even that's trying to fuck off most of the time.

Instead, name any superhero and you'll find some form of Mary Sue.

>>94706689
Doesn't she constantly get the shit kicked out of her?

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>>94702202
/tv/ example, but moffat inserting his waifu mary sue into the show was a cringe marathon.

>>94702532
>Most powerful being in the world that can waste any obstacle easily
He's sure kicking depression and substance abuses ass

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>>94702202
What do I win?

>>94709876
She dies at the end of the season, though.

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>>94705569
>not saying "no wonder i hate her" with dominator
YOU HAD ONE FUCKING JOB

>>94702557
She got what she deserved when Hater went super sayan god, too bad that she survived

>>94706689
It's not her being a mary sue, it's her show being irredeemable garbage

>>94707343
>>94707461
I want to stick my penis into this retardedly cute retard

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>>94702202
Kim Possible

>>94708013
Are we talking about the same Zim here? The one that loses almost every episode because of his own incompetence?

>>94708571
>asshurt about TTG

Well you've lost any high ground you had

>>94705723
Except Jimmy contknously fucks up and is held accountable for his actions. Also, it is outright stated anyone in college is as smart if not way smarter than him.

>>94707210
I want to say after the Unity episode.

>>94707541
So he's an edgy teenager in a self insert's body.

>>94708353
If only the writers understood this. Now we have at least one bull shit season of "darker and edgier, grr"

>>94710440
It's because from S2 to S3 a lot of male writers left, AND the only new writers they hired were all femnist females (FOUR of them).
[–]PopDavidR&M Design Coordinator 3 points 48 minutes ago
S1 writers: Dan, Justin, Ryan, Tom, Mike McMahan (assistant) Eric, Wade
S2 writers: Dan, Justin, Ryan, Tom, Mike McMahan, Dan Guterman, Matt Roller, David Phillips, Brian Wysol, Alex Rubens, Adam Colas (assistant). Say Wade and Eric too, but they were only in the room briefly. They left for a different project mid season.
S3 writers: Dan, Justin, Ryan, Tom, Mike McMahan, Dan Guterman, Jessica Gao, Erica Rosbe, Sarah Carabeiner, Jane Becker.

>>94707564
>>94705459
>>94705568
I mean if we apply it to all the Ricks, Mortys and their families you have to remember that the Rick of the universe this Rick is currently living in accidentally got himself and his Morty killed. So then this Rick came in and took their place.

And that was after he abandoned what was supposed to be his daughter.

And he has repeatedly reminded people this season that he doesn't care about whether his family lives or dies because he views them as infinitely replaceable.

>>94705723
Except most of the episodes are about Jimmy fixing his own fuck-ups.

You can't be a Mary Sue if the universe doesn't bend around you to please your ego and make you right.

>>94704147
Nu-Who writing in general reeks of Sueism

>>94705723
Jimmy is a complete fuckup, though.

>>94702202
Rose Quartz and by extension, her son Steven

>>94702641
Mary Sues don't have to be flawless, but the very definition of one is that their flaws never have consequences.

>>94710392
>Jimmy contknously fucks up and is held accountable for his actions.
I seem to remember there were plenty of times where he would get himself and others into trouble, and then after he saved everyone from his own mistake, he was praised as being a hero. It always bugged me because all he did was fix his mistake.

>>94708335
>and rick's own self-harm/murder sprees are laughed off with a fart joke or icecream or McDonalds or whatever.

I don't think that's supposed to justify them, there's just not always repercussions. Did the Zigerion scammers deserve to die? No, not really. They were played off with a one-liner and that song I forget the name of, but that doesn't really justify it.

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>>94702202
I honestly can't believe no one said her name yet.

>>94708133
>This would only matter if we were talking about fanfiction.
Sick. So every other episode then.

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>>94702202
She's smart, and strong, and when she shows any weakness, she literally disappears and two other characters take the fault.

>>94708207
This.

Morty is one of the few characters that sees Rick for what he truly is and makes it a point he's not the type of guy you wanna spend time with. Jerry is more short term and just sees him as annoyance but not beyond upholding his place in the household.

I enjoy the show, but the point has always been that Rick is a terrible and unstable person to be with. The point is being around someone capable of doing just about anything isn't as fun as it sounds.

>>94707343
> Mary Sue
> Still getting cucked by Marco

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>>94711720
Here's the other Mary-Sue.

>>94711754
She plays romantic interest for Steven, and Steven is a caricature of Rebecca's real life brother. The fact she would try to give him someone that's perfect is actually kind of cute

>>94704949
>And she's the Queen of the Mandalorians
Really? I fucking hate Star Wars now!

>>94708223
>character gets super sad
>sad teen music starts playing
>tries to kill himself and fails
>"wow this is so deep really feels bad man"

This is just as bad as when Family Guy tries to have a "serious discussion".
Rick's depression is the equivalent of a fanfic character who's major flaw is "being clumsy". It's just window dressing to give him some character in the first place and excuse his moronic one-note character with "b-but he has depression and that makes him deep though, you are not supposed to like him except when you are"

Starlight Glimmer.

>>94708223
This is the worst part about him, the few times he doesn't get what we want, edgy teen music plays and we're supposed to feel bad for him.

>>94708138
Wait, when was that?

>>94702202
Gwenpool

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>based off of creator's sister
>bubbly, happy LOOK AT HOW ADORABLE SHE IS
>only character that doesn't love her starts to like her after their 3rd appearance
>always gets her way
>protagonist constantly has to give up on what he wants to work toward to ensure she gets her way
>literally only one episode where she's in the wrong (the boy band one)
>commits the mental equivalent of date rape
>never gets any repercussions for what she's done, especially after causing the fucking apocolypse

>>94711331
its ok though because i have a thicc motherly and big hair fetish

>>94711882
>It's just window dressing to give him some character
I don't see how, considering that it's his driving force for most decisions and not nearly his only character flaw, but out of interest what would you consider a flawed character?

>>94711720
But she is those two characters, so she gets shit on either way

>>94702202
Wolverine from Wolverine and the X-men

>>94702202
Dunno if he's a mary sue but the creators sure sucked his dick with the last episode, just listen to them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clQMT9-IuSs

a certain purple horse

>>94715730
People are defending this?

>>94708850
He beats everyone effortlessly, and he's always right. You are fucking moron.

>>94711807
Stop doing that

>>94716020
There are alot of people who have some kind of emotional attachment to this show. I'm pretty confident that in retrospect this season will be seen as completely garbage in consensus (like Community) but its going to be a while to get there.

>>94716010
Tell me about it. She was cancerously mary-sue-ish since she got the wings and somehow got considered as a royalty.

>>94717224
she was a sue from the beginning

>>94716010
>>94717224
>>94717521
Watch shit get shit that's what happens

>>94716020
>>94717219
Morty pretty much summed up my feelings about the episode with the "he wants you to know you're not special; it's always about it" - paraphrasing.

>>94717773
>it's always about it
kinda sounds broken english

Rick is One Punch Man, but "science" instead of physical prowess.

I wish the writers would realize this. The show should be about how everyone else deals with the stuff Rick gets them into, until rick finally solves it.

Surprised nobody posted Huey Freeman.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Boondocks, but other than getting Stinkmeaner killed, he's virtually always right. Also super-intelligent, a martial artist and a self-insert.

Side note: he's my friend's favorite character because he's "not a typical black person". Considering Tom, Grandad and Ruckus, most of the main characters really aren't.

>>94717521
yeah, but her becoming more of a sue than she already was is still bad.

>>94718036
Man, why did they butcher Huey's personality like that? He was as flawed as everyone else in the comic and was still called out on his ultra-left agendas from time to time.

>>94718036
cartoon Huey is a POV character. the story doesn't really happen to him, just around him.
other then the stinkmeaners coming for revenge. i can't remember an episode being about him. they were always about everyone else.

>>94711916
And the point of that episode sails right over your head.

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>>94702202
>>94702217
>>94702317
>>94709911
>>94710292
You people are so stupid it hurts.

Biggest Mary Sue comin' through

>>94708223
>>94708246
it would help if we actually knew about his life before episode 1.

nothing that has been shown of Rick's memories should be accepted as fact. since the s3 ep 1 plot was about Rick creating fasle memories to fool people scanning his brain. Which he might have also been doing when Evil Morty had his rick scan Rick's head.

>>94709887
afther the season 30 is released.

>>94716020
Yeah because it's back to his usual schtick: taking people that are morally better, and shitting on them.

Episode 1 was just Summer being a bitch.
Episode 2 had a bit of the ol' ultraviolence and nothing else going for it.

3 was the closest thing to the original 2 seasons yet.

>>94716010
>>94717224
>>94717521
I agree with the people who say she was a sue at the beginning but not that becoming a princess furthered it (or at the very least as much as people say).

In season 1, it didn't matter how far removed she was from the situation, she would always get the last word in with "her" lesson.

Her royalty doesn't even matter except in some episodes (like when she led the trading thing, the one Spike answered did her visits for her, etc.).

>>94705692
Read >>94711333
He never suffers the consequences of his actions.
He is by definition a Mary sue.
Stop defending this remedial flash animated pile of shit.

>>94702202
I can't believe people are arguing against this.
I mean yeah he's a self-destructive alcoholic and that's a character flaw but it's not something holding him back, it's not an arc that he overcomes, it's just a quirk that makes him extra irreverant and emphasizes how little he has to care about other characters.
Vindicators III:
>my powers? Let's see, the ability to do anything, but only whenever I want.
In that episode the universe even conspires to make him right. The vindicators turn out to be easily triggered homocidal monsters.

>>94716079
The thing is not that he's wrong, the thing is that him being right doesn't make him not an asshole - that was the point this latest episode made and one that Something Ricked did too, even if the guy was the devil.

>>94718382
It felt like they were crossing of a checklist of what people praised about the last season.
>Rick is a badass, check
>there's some sort of nihilistic lesson
>Gore
It felt contrived how they got there. Maybe because characters kept referencing it in their dialogue. That's always annoying.

>>94718537
People still suffer for his problems though. A Mary Sue, everyone loves them, and nothing bad ever happens to them or those who follow them.

>it's not something holding him back
Unity.

>it's not an arc that he overcomes
Because he never has a revelation that it's destroying him, it's his method to escape what he knows.

>it's just a quirk that makes him extra irreverent and emphasizes how little he has to care about other characters.
Exactly, that's always been what he was about. Smartest guy in the universe, he knows things other people will never understand, and by doing so he is a nihilist seeking only to further himself with the limited time has has left.

>>94718323
>tumblr
is this ir0nic?

>>94718537
>the universe conspires to make him right.
Nigga, Morty spells it out in the episode: being right doesn't make you a good person, it just makes you right.
Rick also sent Abradolf Lincler to his death to score some space coke, was that right?

>>94718395
>never suffers the consequences of his actions
yet nearly commits suicide only to be saved by passing out drunk. Unity dumps him for nearly destroying her lives, and Rick is perpetually depressed and runs from his problems constantly.

Is anyone here actually watching the show? One of the least mary sue characters out there as his flaws nearly outweigh his merits.

>>94718736
Suprise surprise, people on tumblr don't like him either.

>>94718726
People don't have to be happy to be Mary Sue's. Tortured and Brooding are very self-insert character traits.

>>94718036
>Tom, Grandad
People like them are pretty common in the black community though. Especially, Grandads.

>>94718747
It definitely gives the impression that that's what the author wishes he was like.
It's a pattern with self inserts, they act like total sociopaths but get away with it and win in the end.

>>94718537
> self-destructive alcoholic and that's a character flaw but it's not something holding him back
It very much is. It may not be explicit or immediate, but it's. Rick is clearly not satisfied with his life, otherwise he wouldn't be drinking himself into oblivion.

Fuck, he would have been killed by his own fucking traps if Morty wasn't there to save him and it's clear from that episode that his patience is running thin with Rick's bullshit.

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>>94702557
>>94702202

Actually, one of the writers said that Dominator designed and built her robots, suit and ship herself, and is self-taught.

https://suspendersofdisbelief.tumblr.com/post/126187443506/does-dominator-have-any-academicengineering

Also, a Mary Sue, which most people on here seem to have forgot, is an idealized and perfect character with no meaningful character flaws. Dominator, who was shown to be incredibly lonely in the series finale, falls out of the Mary Sue criteria, because a real Mary Sue would be completely happy destroying galaxies all alone and would have no desire for companionship and the intellectual stimulation derived from interaction with others, and would thus be an ultra-efficient force of nature, and not a playground bully.

The same thing applies to Rick, too. He's not a Mary Sue, because he's a depressed, suicidal, alcoholic wreck of a man that believes himself to be utterly and completely meaningless in the grand scheme of the multiverse.

Are both these characters absurdly powerful? Yes. Are they Mary Sues? No. They're both fucked in their own ways. Being an overpowered character and being a Mary Sue are different.

>>94718036
But hardly ever gets his way. The only fights he ever wins are against no names or Riley, and when he is able to figure out something bad is going to happen, he almost never actually stops it. Not a Mary Sue at all

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>>94706689
She started off as this
>youngest enrollment at Beacon
>using a scythe which is supposedly one of the harder weapons to master
>"lol i built it myself"
>possible edgy parent backstory
>niece of a renowned fighter
>silver eyes which are supposedly rare
>edgy color scheme

Then the show, possibly inadvertently, went out of its way to show that she was not only NOT a Mary Sue, but severely outclassed by mostly everyone else

>was rarely ever in the know about any of the bullshit going on until it was too late
>never won a fight solo without outside intervention
>shit aim with her sniper rifle
>wasn't even the strongest team in her year
>wasnt even the strongest on her team despite being the leader, likely out of nepotism
>gets her shit kicked in by Torchwick 3 times (Blake did too but quickly got her revenge)
>is useless without team attacks
>survived completely on luck every time she was about to die
>got her uncle, who wouldve been fine without her intervention, nearly killed
>"This is my fight too!" and couldn't even land a hit
>was shown to be stupid and airheaded numerous times
>couldn't recognize Cinder even though she fought her TWICE
>couldn't figure out Penny was a robot (wasnt even a twist)
>never thinks to assemble her teammates until its too late
>cant even use her super speed correctly and gets her shit kicked in when using it against someone with normal speed
>has no idea what she's doing plotwise, literally just heading in a vague direction and dragging 4 people along for the ride, injuring 2 and nearly killing 1

The only thing going for her was her Silver Eyes, but even a point blank shot with that only gave a Cinder a small scar and a couple of weeks of a sore throat.

It seemed like the show WANTED her to be one, but then either changed their mind or forgot how to write one

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>>94719256
Okay professor, i believe you, but what's the term for a character that always have its way with no tangible negative consequences regardles of logic?

>>94708013
Zim?

No no no.

GAZ.

>>94710292
THIS

>>94718323
This is such low down trash that it doesn't even count as a Mary Sue.

>>94711720
She's the only one who didn't start out with a major flaw, and the only Gem to never get character development.

Even Pearl, who everyone hates, and Amethyst, who was the worst and weakest of the team, managed to get character development.

>>94718394
>Purple horse
>Mary Sue

Alright so anyone who does anything is a Mary Sue, gotcha. You can blame the early princess transformation on merchandising, but where's the Mary Sue in a character that once roamed the neighborhood stalking little children and harassing them over dolls because she was falling apart over the prospect of an exam or who was ignored and shat on when she was accusing her brother's fiancee of being a bitch. Which I mean she turned out to be right but if she was a Mary Sue don't you think everyone would have immediately listened to her and trusted her implicitly?

You niggers need to learn the difference between a central character and a Mary Sue. Go look at the difference between Luke motherfucking Skywalker and that Rey girl from Force Awakens who is Force-sensitive, speaks Wookiee, knows how to use a lightsaber with no training, is super good at tech stuff, etc, etc, etc.

>>94719705
Do you not know what a Mary Sue is?
>Has all the powers
>Nothing can beat them
>Everyone loves them
>Story will warp to revolve around them even if it originally wasn't about them

If Chris made his shit before Mary, we'd be calling these characters 'Chris Chans'

>>94719074
>self-insert
And does Justin seem like that to you?\

>>94719750
>Gets the shit kicked out of him all the time because he's a benchmark

Naw. He's only a sue if you're self-inserting your own masochism as a need for sexual gratification from getting your ass kicked.

>>94711904
leave glimglam alone

>>94719595
Karma Houdini.

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>>94702202
Rick is a deeply flawed character, despite his intelligence and power

>>94720068
That only applies to the "no consequences" part

>>94719895
non flaws. purple shit killed the show and whoever made her is a creative hack.

>oh no I'm not perfect enough, I'll be sent away!
another non flaw, like the time she was too humble

>if she was a Mary Sue don't you think everyone would have immediately listened to her and trusted her implicitly?
no, and the universe caters to her anyway which destroys your dumbass comparison. everything always works out in her favor like you said. there is nothing to cheer for.

>>94718817
>yet nearly commits suicide only to be saved by passing out drunk and Rick is perpetually depressed and runs from his problems constantly.
these aren't the same

>>94719595
The lack of consequences ARE the problem, and the cause of Rick's depression; everything is devalued to him because he can immediately jump ship to an identical universe if he needs to. The most permanent thing he's managed is killing multiple versions of himself in one shot.

>>94702202

>going back to the "Mary Sue" excuse.

Once again, calling a character Mary Sue because you don't like them is no reason to call them a Mary Sue.

No one remembers what it means anymore, it's lost all meaning period.

>>94720148
>everything always works out in her favor

No shit, stop the presses, the main protagonist of a children's show always wins in the end, Batman never dies and Superman always beats Lex Luthor. You fucking sperg mouthbreather.

Everyone you don't like is a Mary Sue because they don't constantly lose in their shows.

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>>94711912
>Naruto
FUCKING FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT, Sasuke was right, Naruto's ideas made no fucking sense and somehow he went from a non-alphabetized delinquent to a beloved leader of an super complex modern utopian society based solely on killing people for money with no explanations whatsoever on how and why.
FUCK. RIGHT. OFF.
There is being a fraud hack, and there is being Kishimoto.
In the show's defense, their world never really made a lot of sense

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>>94719214
>otherwise he wouldn't be drinking himself into oblivion.

>>94702202
I am playing absinthe blackout levels of drunk Russian roulette with the cosmos, Morty. People can only hope to glimpse at the further splitting-off of timelines in which I happens to succeed in the weighted possibilities of lethal outcomes with their livers. Their livers, Morty. Do you ge*eeer*'t that??

What is des*eeerp*cribed here highlights one respect in which the "multiple universes" terminology is inadequate. The viewer as observer never encounters any barrier or locally distinguishing boundary between one universe and another. It is only ever an approximation to speak of things happening "in a universe." In reality the "universes" forms a part of a larger object which has yet to be given a proper geometrical description but which, according to quantum theory, is the real arena in which things happen.

We don't need eyes where we're go*uuuURP*ing, Morty, only a strong tolerance for alcohol.