Cassandra Cain Thread

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>>94687749
Her intro arc:

Batman #567
Detective Comics #734
Legends of the Dark Knight #120

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>>94687775
Azreal #56-57, 60-61

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Black Bat best Cass costume

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>>94687793
Batgirl #1-37, 39-42, 45-50, 58-65, 67, 71-73
Superboy #85
Bruce Wayne: Murderer/Fugitive
Batgirl Vol. 3 #1
Red Robin #13
Batman Inc #6
Red Robin #25
Gates of Gotham #1-3
Batman and Robin Eternal #1, 7-9, 11,13, 24-26
Detective Comics #934-938, 950-956, 958-960 (so far)

>>94687749
That's some generous breast armour for a teenage Asian.

>>94687797
GOD NO!

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>>94687809
Solo #10
Tiny Titans #33, 39, 45-46

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>>94687749
>>94505902 #
The issues that ruined her character:

Robin #148-162
Supergirl #14
Teen Titans #52-54
Batgirl: Redemption Road #1-6

After that Cass was forgotten like MayDay "Spider-Girl" Parker

>>94687872
Mayday and Cass came out roughly at the same too, right?

>>94687872
Forgotten? NEVAH!!!

>>94687894
Late 90s.

>>94688010
When legacy characters still had substance and effort put into them.

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>>94687749
Does anyone know where you can read Batgirl Annual #1 (2000)?

I can't find on readcomicsonline, it's was by Scott Peterson and Mike Deodato.

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>>94688091

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>>94688121
Muh dick

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>>94688221
The Deodato magic

I wish I had the gumption to start Steph threads every day. :)

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>>94688221

Cass

>>94687768

Honestly cute.

SFW fetish artists are weird.

>>94687749
She going deep seas swimming with those ballastes?

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>>94688504
I'm a die hard Cassfag but Steph run as Batgirl was probably better written than Cass or Barbara.

>>94688064
I just found it and now wish I never had seen it

http://view-comic.com/batgirl-v1-annual-001-2000/

Scott Peterson must be half-Indian or at least Bollywood fan, such a waste of Deodato art and Cass Cain character.

>>94687775
>>94687809
>>94687836
>>94687872

Her full reading order

http://fyeahcassandracain.tumblr.com/reading%20order

>>94688815
As the Steph fan, I don't know if I can agree that Steph's run was better written than Cass's first 35 issues or so (when Puckett left). I don't prefer it, because it's a bit too despairing, but it's tightly constructed (with a few wonky notes like that stupid meta who gives her speech and the aftermath), and firmly committed to its aesthetic.

I think the only thing starring Babs as Batgirl that comes close to either Steph or Cass's solo titles is Batgirl Year One, but that's not better, just about the same level of quality.

That being said, I think Steph's run is a masterpiece.

>>94688250
that's not a bunch of legos...

>>94689078
>(with a few wonky notes like that stupid meta who gives her speech and the aftermath)

That was extremely stupid, there was other ways of making Cass talk than just pulling a Deus Ex Machina with a random telepath that will never been seen again!

Chuck Dixon wrote her well in Batman and the Outsiders.

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>>94689341

Cass final arc in Batgirl is great, her confrontation with Lady Shiva is emotional. I dream with the movie

>>94689341
Yeah. And it led to further stupidity like Shiva teaching Cass the body reading technique in a few minutes, after it took her a lifetime of specific abuse and training to get it the first time.

I agree that Dixon wrote Cass well (awesome, even) in Outsiders, it wasn't a Batgirl series, really, so I don't count it next to other solo Batgirl series.

>>94689416
Ehhhh. I am really not a Gabrych fan, and I found the second confrontation with her mother didn't add anything to Cass's story, other the finding out she was her mother. I really wanted to feel something in the last issue of her series, but I just felt kinda meh. Disappointing.

>>94688504
To a degree if you love Cass you love Steph too. It's just there's a divergence of you're okay with Cass in Batgirl vol. 3 or not.

>>94689416
It was meh. Rushed and quick.

>>94690618
Eh. As a Steph fan first and foremost, I think it's at least 50/50 that Cass fans will hate Steph or Steph fans. At the very least, I've not yet met a Cass fan who wasn't incredibly angry about Steph's time as Batgirl, at least as far as it connects to Cass.

>>94690759
Well, now you have! Some anon on 4chan!

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I like the Orphan outfit

>>94690759
I love Steph and she got just as raw a deal Cass got.

>>94687749
if cass is dc's x-23 then why isnt there as much waifu art of her?

>>94687749
what is wrong with her tits??

>>94688064
>Does anyone know where you can read Batgirl Annual #1 (2000)?
It's in the Silent Knight trade.

>>94692733
Because Marvel committed to using X-23 in other forms. DC has not, almost always going with Babs instead.

>>94692941
flotation devices, she doesn't know how to swim. Or is that read? It's one of those first grade things

>>94690931
Hello, friend anon! So glad to be anon with you. :)

>>94691841
Completely agree.

>>94690985
too much yellow, IMHO, but the real problem is the mask. It makes no sense.

Orphan costume with Black Bat mask would be better, but it's too generic.

Black Bat costume IMHO needs more her using the scarf as a mask., kind of like The Shadow

Her original outfit looks a lot like fetish gear.

>>94687749
Damn that's some real bad artwork

>>94693626
isnt there an arc where shes someone's drugged sex slave or something? seems like she is made for fetish.

>>94693771
Is this actually a thing in the comics? It should be.

>>94693046
I hated this so much. I want Cass to finally get her due in cartoons, at the very least.

>>94693771
>>94693894

Now I know how Frankenstein felt. What did I create?!

>>94693998
something that makes me more interested in these characters than the comics ever have?

>>94694247
Really? Explain.

>>94687749
The only Batgirl to ever make sense.

>>94695024
What do you mean by "sense"? Because while I think her origin and "power" are cool, they're incredibly implausible.

>>94695566
She's the only of the batgirls who has any business being a batgirl. The other two would end up splattered on a wall somewhere. I still like all three.

>>94688064
This cover always makes me laugh

>>94694247
Never a thread away from a shipfag here at /co/, huh

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>>94694247
>>94695852
pretty much.
honestly the only interesting thing i ever found about cape comics were ships.

im an unapologetic shipfag.

>>94695949
I'm guilty of shipfagging too but I don't understand how people can be into it over things they otherwise don't care about

>>94690759
I love Steph, Batgirl or not. She was an important part of Cass' developement.

>>94693771
OT3. Needs more fics.

>>94693825
The scene that destroyed the old universe.

>>94696086
someone post stacked robin steph.

>>94693046
DC is terrible about using anything between 1985 and new 52 in animation. One big issue is,a s much as I love the DCAU guys, they were largely pre-Crisis fanboys.

>>94695949
I would totally read a slice-of-life comic about the Batfamily in their everyday lives. I admit, I'm probably more a fan of the livejounal/tumblr idea of the batfamily than the actual one in the comics since the new52 started.

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>>94687749
People don't know it, but Cass is the really the last Nanto Rokusei Ken general.

>>94696134
There's one incoming sometime this week actually.

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>>94693825
The artist used pic related Cass facial expression then changed the art style, very nice

>>94696185

Which is why I love YJ. They have no preference. They'll throw all the legacies in there. Why I'm kind of hoping we get a Cass cameo or something in Season 3.

>>94696448
Noice!

What's cass's status in DC these days? I started read through that arc with Orphan and harper row when I heard she was being reintroduced, but I stopped because holy shit that series was terrible...

Last I heard she was on a team with clayface? How did that pan out?

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>>94697144

She's the tank on Batman's Tec team. Currently, her and Clayface have a tight friendship with him teaching her how to talk better via teaching her Shakespeare.

>>94697400
That's actually pretty adorable. Is the series any good?

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>>94687749
>The Batgirl with the best costume who's actually intimidating is also the most forgotten

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>>94697454

It's a mixed bag. You'll get Cass and Basil having the best moments. Everyone else is just there, while Cass/Basil get the best moments. It's clear Tynion has a soft spot for them and Tim.

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Now that I finally got through the entire Batgirl series, how did people feel about all the casual hookups Cass started getting after the first half of Batgirl? Or the whole "rebellious teen" angle Horrocks went for?

I personally feel Horrocks' run was the weakest. Which is a shame, because it came right after the first half which I adore.

>>94698280

Horrocks had a alright beginning, fantastic middle, and weak as hell ending. It's understandable given he left the comic and mainstream comics right after that. Losing Cass's supporting cast (Steph and Babs) for stupid reasons then the casual disregard for Stephanie via the editors he answered too. When Devin Grayson make's more rational sense than the editors you know it's fucked up.

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>>94699505
I really prefer Scott's short story for the Steph art. Same rad design, less goofy boobs.

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>>94697400

Hmmm. I don't HATE this but seeing her talk in long sentences still strikes odd. Even when she COULD talk I always felt it came off like she was speaking a second language. you know like someone American who goes to France might KNOW the language but generally would still have to take that second to think and process it some

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>>94689067
>http://fyeahcassandracain.tumblr.com/reading%20order

Fuck, thanks anon, but does that come in a trade order edition? Because fuck spending a week tracking down and figuring out the order those trades would be in by individual issues.

I am actually just developing a proper interest in post-Crisis Cass. When she was introduced I was a stupid kid, so she was boring because she was a girl. I've really enjoyed reading through X-23's past, and it occured to me that she and Cass are a lot alike, and I may end up liking her a hell of a lot of I invest the time.

>>94701194
Unfortunately, most of X-23 has better art than Cass does.

>>94701223

Eh, I can live with shitty art if the character is interesting.

Does anyone have a trade reading order?

>>94701626
Well, the first three trades of her Batgirl run are here: https://www.comixology.com/Batgirl-2000-2006/comics-series/5623

How is Cass in New 52 and Rebirth ? Is she still a good character ?

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>>94687749
Luxia Jiang as Cassandra Cain in the Batgirl movie.

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Steph > Cass

I don't care for your (You)s.

>>94701933
Can we compromise and say that they are both good in different ways?

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>>94701933

It might be because she's a barely legal blond MILF in post crisis, but I always find myself too distracted by finding her sexy as fuck to pay attention to how good or bad she is at being Robin or Batgirl.

Steph in peril art please. I thirst.

>>94702064
Oh, anon. I think, on an objective level, you are correct. But my heart belongs to the blonde.

>>94701933
Have this, (You), (You) are right. ;)

>>94693998
something the reminds me how much of a self-insert Tim's character is

>>94696565
Best girl and worst boy

>>94701933
Personally, as Batgirl Steph > Cass

Overall character Cass > All

>>94701933
Steph fits the role of what Batgirl should be better. Cass is the more intriguing character. The real shame of it all is that Cass needs to be Batgirl, not some other Batperson, or a non-Bat character, for people to care about her. Cass giving Steph the mantle should've been considered an organic, natural thing. Cass didn't need it to justify herself anymore, she could move on. But her own fans took it as a slight, thinking she had to be Batgirl. That mantle should be a stepping stone, not an endpoint.

>>94702631

Being Batgirl was retarded for Steph and not to mention flat out insulting. She had her own identity and didn't need the Bat. In fact a lot of her arc was her coming to terms with that and stepping out of needing bruce's approval

>>94702703
I'm not convinced. Where is the beginning, middle, and development of this arc of not needing Bruce's approval?

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I was sure Cass would be in Arkham Knight...

>>94687749
>Armpit tits
She literally has like a 3 inch gap between her tits, pushing them under he arms

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>>94687749
The only time Barbara was good as Batgirl.

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>>94705224
Um. No. :)

I just want two things.
Babs, Cass, and Steph teaming up together, and for Cass to get her bat ears back.

>>94687749
Holy shit that art is terrible. Tits don't sit that way.

>>94701223
Funny thing is. They've shared a TON of artists.

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>>94687749
A Fred Benes commission showing Lady Shiva, Cass, and David Cain as a family.

>>94702857

Becoming Spoiler, resolving her family issues and coming to terms with her own place not in the world outside of the need of some autistic billionaires approval

Cass needed the bat to help her past her guilt and death wish. Having Bruce point on the right track was just that, helping her find sense of purpose.

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Katana would be Cass surrogate mom on Dixon's Outsiders run.

Cass and Steph have one similarity, both have dad villains, David Cain being a super assassin and Steph dad being a goofy bad guy like classic Batvillains.

>>94706634
That doesn't reference any actual storylines or events. Because Dixon's run clearly had her establish herself as a more independent hero, but with the drawback of not having access to the training that she needs to get better, and slowly being drawn into the Batfamily to get that training. Then Dixon was fired, and the Bat-office froze her out of the Batfamily only to play You're Robin! PSYCH with her and then kill her off. Her time as Batgirl was a good balance of her seeking stability and support in the Batfamily through both Babs and Bruce (with bits of Dick and Damian) and being her own hero.

Steph doesn't need Bruce's approval - but it is meaningful to her.

I never seen Steph as nothing more than Tim love interest.

>>94706898
Thankfully, Cass disagrees.

As do at least some of DC's writers and editors.

>>94706846

And there's no reason she can't be Spoiler for any of that. Making her a Bat is basically saying "Pfft well I guess you can join us"

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>>94700914

> She's quoting Shakespeare while kicking someone's ass now.

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>>94693487
Not nearly yellow enough

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>>94693487
The Orphan gimp mask definitely has to go.

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>>94706744