Batman #29 Storytime

>>94685773
I find it kind of funny that Joker treats Bruce like everyone else when he doesn't have the mask on.

Well this issue has made me hungry

>>94685818
>not pictured, Bruce's raging erection

I've been turned off with this bad event, but the dinner was a great framing device.

>>94685848
Oh fuck, Joker spitting fire.

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Metal: >>94685366
Superman: >>94685894

>>94685694
this was weird.

>>94685739
I want to die.

>>94685783
LOOK OUT A BUTTER KNIFE!

>>94685739
having people stand at the dinner table is quite stress inducing

>>94686015
I'm not overly current on Penguin. Does he hate both Bruce and Batman currently? If so, you'd think he'd be more pissed.

Riddler seems to have pegged Joker in this, or at least his arrogance makes him believe so, probably the most Riddler thing he has done this entire arc.

>>94685791
Nice reflexes, Nygma?

>>94686055
currently yeah, but this story is set just after year one.

>>94685848
ok joker wins

>>94685884
he joins joker because he realizes he's right and no one gives a shit about riddler

>>94685739
Is this after Bane broke Croc's arms?

>>94685794
Why? He doesn't know he's Batman

>>94686250
he does though. but joker doesn't give a shit about him without the mask. snyder had it so he revealed his identity to joker but joker didn't respond

>>94685773
eeedddddgggY

>>94685818
I like this Joker far more than Snyder's even though he's morbidly depressed

>>94686289
Nah this joker is worse than snyder's joker because at least snyder's joker wasn't this tryhard

>>94685739
>All those bad dudes on Wayne manor
>Somehow no one notice they're above batcave

>>94686284
No that's a few years down the track

>>94685791
What the fuck ivy gonna do there?
Hoping the plant to suddenly photosynthesis in a quick seconds?
The fuck?

>>94686341
he said it was the first time he fought him

>>94685810
I hate King's run.

>>94685848
He is right.
>>94685884
This is really the last page??? well anyway thanks a lot for the storytime.

>>94685884

Christ Batman is fucking useless. No wonder Gotham is still such a shithole. What the fuck has he even tried besides relying on Kite-Man of all fucking people? Even this little fucking dinner led to the deaths of those hostages, and exactly zero was accomplished.

And now he's going to join the Joker and aid in his mayhem? Some superhero.

This was a good issue, stay tuned to see next month what bullshit reason Batman had to choose to side with Joker

>>94686411
So I looked it up and it happened "just after we took Dick in", which is earlier than I thought, but still later than this is supposed to take place I think.

Another shit issue. With every new installment I'm more and more glad I dropped this from my pull list and decided to just read it for free.

And oh look, next week King is going to have Bruce do something horrifically out-of-character again. Surprise, surprise.

>>94686469
He's still a greenhorn, u shit.

>>94685725
Justice League Europe

>>94685884
>people paid for this
it's a neutral feeling

>>94685694
For someone who's not up to date on Detective comics, and has not read the regular Batman issues at all, can someone tell me why Clayface is on the cover with the villains? I thought he reformed and was on Batman's team now.

>>94686751
this is when batman first started, its a flashback arc

>>94685725
fucking dumbass doesn't know what Europe is

>>94686555

He's already a full year into his tenure as Batman, after having apparently already fought all these villains before as well as the entire mob and corrupt Gotham City police. And this is also obviously after he spent all those years training vigorously.

He's an idiot who seems to have zero tactical capability. Or hell, even physical capability. He literally hasn't done a single fucking thing this entire "war" besides get Kite-Man's kid killed.

>>94686923
he beat the shit out of Deadshot and Deathstroke, he was also working on relief and evacuation

Why does /co/ hate king?
IGN likes him.

>>94686981

He literally avoided them for 5 days while they raged a two-man war and killed over 100 people. It was only on the fifth day that he decided it was "enough" and punched them both a couple times, ending the mayhem.

That's probably the dumbest thing to bring up if you want to defend this trash.

>>94686992
I don't

>>94686992
standards

>>94687007
not really defending, but saying he didn't do anything is wrong - he did poorly, but did something

>>94686992

They also probably think Tynion's 'Tec is a veritable fucking gift from god. If there's one thing most people can agree on, it's that comic book journalism/criticism/whatever is an absolute joke and should never be used as a serious metric for validity.

>>94685791
Dent reduced to a lackey is shameful

>>94687088
DC's been trying to make him a joke for a long time.

>>94685739

Are Ivy and Two-Face SERIOUSLY wearing Riddler armbands, acting like proper little lackeys to the fucking Riddler? Has King never read ANYTHING with any of these character before?

>>94687105
who cares if he messes up characterization it's deep. if people didn't care when he turned victor mancha into a junkie they wont care about two face or ivy

>>94687184
People looked past druggie victor because Vision was a good comic.
This is just needless hype, with everything designed to make it feel "epic" without anything substantial to warrant it. The speech and narration is clunky, Riddler looks like a fuckboy, and the art itself is ugly.
If the story was entertaining, I could look past a lot in terms of characterization, but it is clear all the villains are added just for star appeal.

>>94687229
>This is just needless hype, with everything designed to make it feel "epic" without anything substantial to warrant it. The speech and narration is clunky,
that's how I felt about vision

>>94687255
When did Vision ever try to feel epic

>>94687371
when it kept going on about how he would kill all the heroes

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I don't even know anymore. This issue is just a mixed bag of crap and sliver

>>94687371
second half basically

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>>94685848
Holy shit, Joker fucking roasted him.

>>94687105
>>94687229
>THE CHARACTERZATION!
an empty criticism, something people with almost zero creativity and understanding say because they think it makes them look smart. Be also in the lookput for complaints of a story having an nonsensical plot or being overhyped.

>>94687088
Fuck off anon, you never cared for two-face before and you don't care about him now.

>>94687695
He's my second favorite Bat villain.

>>94687650
To the Riddler, Joker just vindicated him.

>>94685800
D-Didn't... Didn't Joker come into his house and chop his arm off. Why's he so calm?

>>94687695
The fuck are you saying?

Dent was always Batman's best rogue, way above Joker.

>>94687701
I appreciate the pun.

>>94685739
Surely Wayne Manor has a bigger dining table. It's like he wanted it to be awkward.

>>94687679

The character interactions weren't meaningful or interesting in any way. The plot was literally not advanced at all. NOTHING was advanced at all, we have all the same information and perspective going out of it as we had going into it. 100%. And what was the point of it all? Topics of conversation vaguely aligning with courses of a meal? Christ, it didn't even have the good graces to be entertaining. This issue was a complete waste of time and paper.

Also the art is complete and utter fucking gutter trash. Janin's worst work yet by a mile. Bruce literally holds the same expression nearly the entire time, on top of looking absolutely comical.

Also, sticking to characterization is one of the easiest, yet most important requirements for writing shared characters you don't own and whose creation you had nothing to do with. If he doesn't even want to do that he shouldn't be writing Batman. Nobody's holding his fucking family hostage. He wants all the glory and money of selling out to DC without having to play by the same rules that everyone else does. If you as a reader want to willingly ignore proper characterization, stick to your fucking fanfiction where you can read about Superman raping people or whatever it is you think is "real creativity".

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Janin + King is garbage.
King with anyone else is great.

Why is this?

>>94687738
Look at this: once again this has zero critical thought behind it, you're just saying buzzwords so you don't have to explain your reason.

>>94687738
The best thing about this story is it's a flashback so you can just totally not buy it. I'm sure as fuck not wasting my cash on it.

>>94687812
>>94687740
Fuck off tripfag.

>>94687826
Well 0k then penis pongo poo poo

>>94687826
Go take you Prozac Tom. We don't want you to go full PTSD.

>>94687738
>The character interactions weren't meaningful or interesting in any way.
I feel like this is a complete admission that you don't know shit about literary criticism. I have zero reason to trust your analysis of this issue or the series because it's claer you just don't like Tom king.

>>94685806
>tumblr

>>94687880

So I'm guessing you don't actually care enough to try and prove me wrong, you just want to dismiss because you don't like when someone criticizes your golden boy?

>>94685818
>>94685810
Where are the panels with the other villains rolling their eyes while both Joker and irish-sterotype Riddler speak gibberish like this?

>>94685694
so what do you guys think of the War of Jokes and Riddles so far? idk, it's not really doing much for me desu

>>94685848
Fuck... depressed Joker knows the score.

>>94685843
Yeah the premise is kinda dumb as hell, but it's been a great vehicle for good individual issues.

I'm trying to see king's run as a little more surreal, a little less realistic

>>94686300
>Wasn't this tryhard
You're more tryhard than this Joker faggot. At least King's Joker didn't fucking cut off his face to show how edgy he is.

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I liked Batman: Night Cries

>>94685739
>You're a poo.
I laughed.

>>94687738
Your analysis is more vapid and shit than King's writing, good job anon.

>>94687980
>Joker didn't fucking cut off his face to show how edgy he is.
I'm willing to lay a lot at Snyder's door. But face-off was Daniels in Detective.

>>94687999

In what way?

>>94687930
>prove me wrong
First you have to prove that you're right, which you didn't. Instead you're tyrong to pass of your opinions as legitimate criticism which it's not.

why joker and riddler are in conflict again?

>>94688009

About the response I anticipated. Don't try to hold some high horse about "literary criticism" if you're going to cop out and not going to expand in any meaningful way.

>>94687954
I'm loving it, I'm loving how Riddler looks so smug in every panel and I am loving how The Joker has been legitimately funny in this.

>>94685739
this is retarded

>>94688029
What more meaning can there be found in bullshit?
>The character interactions weren't meaningful or interesting in any way.
You put zero thought in your answer and you didn't provide any reference to the text.

Pretty obvious he'll join joker, or join Riddler and double cross him in some way which leaves Riddler salty.

Well, this was fun.

>>94688079

How dumb are you? Read it for yourself. If you disagree then sack up and say so.

They say the same shit they've been saying the entire time. "I deserve to kill Batman, he doesn't." Joker and Riddler dislike each other for the same nebulous reasons. They are both disagreeable and sadistic, Riddler is smug, Joker can't laugh. Like they're reading old cue cards. Same shit we've already visited multiple times this very arc. Even though the ENTIRE issue is this conversation, the war still seems like complete background noise that's being fought for incredibly flimsy reasons and we learn nothing new about the characters. There's very little reason to care about any of this, it's a filler issue in an arc that already has severe pacing problems and that has really done nothing but throw statistics of fictional deaths at you to try and make you care about any of this. The entire situation in this issue plays out as boringly and conservatively as it possibly could have. Only on the very last page does something happen when it is revealed that Batman states he's going to join forces with one of the mass-murdering maniacs (King's spotless Batman characterization on point as always). The dinner really wasn't required in any way for that, and even since it was just a plot device, there's zero fucking reason for it to take up an entire goddamn issue.

The characters were badly written as usual, because King can't be arsed to read any material concerning them that doesn't involve scouring the wiki for obscure characters.

The dinner as a framing device served as nothing but pure vanity. It added nothing but a superficial flair which failed when left unbacked by any material of substance. I mean sure it may have been "fun" for those with the lowest of expectations, but that's about it.

It was utterly boring nonsense, end of story.

this is bad story, how come all these villains are working for joker and riddler for no reason, and everyone jobbed to those two

>>94688320
>Joker and Riddler dislike each other for the same nebulous reasons
What? That's wrong though, We know exactly why they dislike each other. We see how the riddler came to the joker with the proposition of teaming up together to get rid of the Batman and we see how the Joker shot him in response. They dislike each other because only one of them can kill the Batman and they want to be that one.

>>94688320
Look at what you made me do anon, I have to respond to each of your weak ass arguments one vy one because you know that not one of these complaints hold any water.
>gish gallop using cunt

>>94687713
This is a flashback story. This happens way before Endgame.

>>94686300
Snyder's Joker got his fucking face cut off and he stitched it back. This Joker isn't not anywhere near as edgy as that Joker.

>>94688644

Then why don't you describe what makes the issue so great?

>>94688320
>Same shit we've already visited multiple times this very arc.
Stupid ass what do you expect, for their personalities to change from to issue?
>the war still seems like complete background noise that's being fought for incredibly flimsy reasons
The war isn't background noise it's literally front and center here.

>>94688683
Cause I'm not done addressing your shit criticism. Now shut the fuck up and let me actually respond.

>>94688694

>Stupid ass what do you expect, for their personalities to change from to issue?

So what's the point of revisiting it time and time again?

>The war isn't background noise it's literally front and center here.

It's not. It literally only serves as a backdrop here.

Try again.

>>94688320
>it's a filler issue
No it's not, this isn't a beach episode it's Batman trying to find a truce between the joker and the riddler.
It's directly connected to the plot.

>>94688720
>So what's the point of revisiting it time and time again?
What the fuck do you mean? Like seriously what the fuck, do you not understand how writing works?

>>94688720
Shut the fuck up anon, I'll tell you when I'm done evaluating your criticism then you can respond.

>>94688745

>No it's not, this isn't a beach episode it's Batman trying to find a truce between the joker and the riddler.

Not true. Batman admits it was 100% to see which side to help (even though he discovered little to nothing that the world's greatest detective shouldn't have already known.) He knew it was never going to work and used their hostages as acceptable collateral deaths.

Try actually reading the issue next time.

>>94688771

The entire issue is a meaningless conversation where nothing new is said or visited. It was a complete waste of everyone's time and is one of the most horrid recent examples of decompression I can think of.

>>94688785

You're doing nothing but embarrassing yourself. Hurry up I'm not going to be here all day. I certainly won't be holding my breath for your mentally flaccid "insights".

>>94685794

He didn't care who Bruce was until he put his mask on.

>>94688613

Insert "contrived" in the stead of "nebulous"

Especially considering it's never made clear how long Joker and Riddler have been active, but stated that this Batman is supposed to be a noob and that the reason why he is so fucking useless.

>>94688320
>>94688613
>>94688644
>>94688694
>>94688745
>The dinner as a framing device served as nothing but pure vanity.
Utter fucking nonsense. Literally all your arguments have zero understanding to them, you're like a shit art critic.

>>94688891
>Insert "contrived" in the stead of "nebulous"
No, you fucked up and now you're trying to do damage control.

well at this point is clear that if you like this run you don't like Batman
actually everything makes more sense if you see it as a Dickfag horribly writing Batman to come out of it as a shit hero

>>94688804
I'll be here all day too anon, waiting for you to actually show that you can show to the class what you mean by meaningless conservation.

>>94688932

And yet here you are, continuing to criticize criticisms instead of describing the supposed merits you see in the issue.

>>94688945

uh ok

>>94688946
Actually it makes more sense of we see it as an anti-kingfag whose been in every one of these thread making shit arguments about how King hates Batman.

>>94685720

SALE IS BACK :)

>>94685848
Well, wasn't expecting this much of a burn

>>94688970
Seriously, you cannot interchange nebolus with contrived.

>>94688985
Yep, I love automaton Batman that repeats things and is actually dead inside and is also an idiot

But hey, Kite Man Hell yeah! This comic is fukking epic

>>94688967

I've already explained it several times. It's not my fault you have reading comprehension problems.

This issue was just an excuse to take up pages without actually doing anything. They talk for the entire issue, an issue that people paid for, and we know very little to nothing more about them and their situation than we did after the first two or so issues. It's going to be yet another situation where King drags out a plot and then has to wrap it up way too quickly in the last issue which makes the entire ordeal incredibly unsatisfying. Whenever asked about the issue, King would just talk about how excited he was about the 9-course meal idea, because he probably knew the issue was devoid of any kind of purpose beyond that. The only page that is likely to merit any kind of positive response from someone hoping for more than flavorless tripe is the one with the "Who cares about the Riddler?" line.

Compare this to literally any issue of King's Vision, or Omega Men, or just about anything else not involving Batman he's written and it's obvious that this issue is an absolute fucking joke that he probably just phoned in on the shitter. The same can be said for a lot of his Batman run.

>>94689038

Boy you're on this like stink on shit, huh?

>>94685720
TIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMAHHHHHH FUCK YESSSSSSSSS

I AM SO FUCKING PUMPED TO GO TO THE STORE NOW.

>>94688970
Because your shit criticism should not go uncalled. Like how first you said >>94688320 the joker and riddler dislike each other for nebolus reasons but then I point that's bullshit >>94688613 then you try to change your argument to>>94688891 that you actually meant contrive but it's still isn't contrived.

>>94689124
>Boy you're on this like stink on shit, huh?
Because it's a very telling slip-up on your part. You hist throwing out buzzword no one will call you out on your shit but I will.
You either meant contrived or you meant nebolus but you'd be wrong on both accounts.

>>94689124
>I've already explained it several times
Poorly, that's what I've been explaining to you for the last several yimes. Your arguments are shit, they're not based on any objective merit.

>>94689158

It's not shit, you just disagree with it and you have zero arguments to back anything you say up. You've presented zero actual rebuttals. You just don't like that someone doesn't like what you like. Honestly you should do yourself a favor and stop posting because you're just continuing to hurt yourself.

And it is contrived. The conflict feels completely artificial and is not at all in the spirit of the characters. They wouldn't wage a fucking gangwar out-of-the-blue to settle their petty little "conflict". Especially not Riddler, who is receiving what is probably his worst characterization ever to date.

>>94689215

You've spelled "nebulous" wrong like 6 times now, just stop embarrassing yourself.

>>94689258

No, you only want to think it's poor because you apparently disagree, but have yet to produce any counterpoints beyond saying "you're criticism is bad". You fail on a basic argumentative level. You fail to expand upon anything, it's clear this has been nothing but a dialogue with a mental midget and a complete waste of my time

>>94689026
this anon has great taste.

>>94685739
Remember when the 2 biggest batman villains were Joker and Penguin?

Yeah, I miss that.

>>94689124
>This issue was just an excuse to take up pages without actually doing anything.
>They talk for the entire issue
>we know very little to nothing more about them and their situation than we did.
Does anyone else agree? Did anyone else basically not read the issue and just went straight into calling King a hack?

>it's another "anon explains why something is bad while kingfags just dismiss him and whine" thread

>>94689323
It is shit, your enitre arguments have been nothing but buzzwords.

>>94689323
At least I know how to actually use the word. Seriously explain to us how the reasoning behind the war of joke and riddles is contrives or nebolus.
You either can or you cannot.

>>94689323
And I'm not gonna stop, typos be damned, I'm gonna stay here in this thread and call you out as the fake intellectual you are.

>>94689323
You haven't explain shit, your reasoning has been nothing but buzzwords. You can't actually tell me why the story is bad outside of saying it is bad.

>>94689323
Also
>They wouldn't wage a fucking gangwar out-of-the-blue to settle their petty little "conflict".
Why wouldn't they? Where's your reasoning in this?

>>94685848
I cackled after reading this. Good show, Joker. Good show.

>>94685818
nice killing joke refrence

>>94686289
Same I kinda like depressed joker. However this might just be because it's the first time in about 10 years that he hasn't had a raging erection for edge

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>>94689521
He has literally mentioned it before.

>>94685739
Europoors. I see King posts on /sp/.

If Batman doesn't choose Riddler this thing is total garbage

>inb4 he chooses Joker because he only wants to kill Batman and not his entire family like Riddler

what is the status on batman's sidekicks at the moment of that story? where's jason, dick, etc?

>>94690371

Him "choosing" either of these guys is absolute garbage. They're committing wholesale slaughter on a daily basis. The point of this story seems to basically be that Batman is a terrible excuse for a superhero.

>>94690451
Of course, but since we are stuck in the "choosing" scenario (unless there's a twist coming) I hope he goes for the most logical choice

>>94686368
it's practically guaranteed she's already revived the floorboards and turned the entire room into a death trap. her power set is woefully under appreciated.

>>94690405
This is literally the year after Zero Year, Batman is still a relative rookie, Dick's parents haven't died yet, so around Batman's 2nd year.

Typically that's around Year Three.

>>94685773

I like how Janin draws Bruce' shirt. It's a little too tight for him.

>>94685739
Can we have Snyder and Capullo

>>94685739
Alfred's dace sums it up

>>94685725
Batman Europa?

>>94685806
stupid sexy riddler

>>94685818
That's uhh that's rather graphic there, Jokerman

>>94685834
Man, I wish that billionaire prick would just shut the fuck up. How has someone not shot Wayne in the head yet?

>>94685848
Damn, that's fucking gold

>>94685868
Joker, pls

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>>94685884
He'll join Joker because he's a faggot for him.

he'll join joker because riddler seems more dangerous and competent in this.

>>94685791
But this version of the Penguin is supposed to be from before he was the criminal mastermind, when he was just Falcone's umbrella boy who The Joker decided to recruit.
Did King forget that he's not supposed to have his umbrella weapons yet or did he just not care ?

>>94692986
He obviously doesn't care

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>>94685810
So this is King's Riddler's masterplan for dealing with Batman.
No elaborate contraptions or brain-twisting schemes, nothing of the sort that relates to Riddler's goal of proving himself the intellectual superior.
He is just going to line Batman and his allies in a ditch and shoot them all.

For what it's worth this issue was marginally better than the others so far.

I don't have time to read this yet is it still shit

>>94686992
>IGN likes him
What the fuck does the sheegull's opinion matter?

>>94693802
it's a sign of quality you little contrarian pleb

>>94692014
I'd rather the manwoman writing America take over batman then have them return. Especially with how garbage Metal is.

>>94685825
>>94685834
I like this Bruce.

>>94693832
>says sheegull's opinion is a sign of quality
>says im the pleb

Fuck off Jesse.

>>94685834
You wouldn't say that shit to Batman's face Bruce

This is the worst arc, BY FAR, of King's run.

I kinda feel bad for the dude since this seemed to be his main motivation to do batman. he was hyping this up since issue one in interviews and even alluding to it along the way in issues. and it sucks.

All the action is skipped over for exposition. Most of the arc has been sitting around telling shitty autistic "one-liners" and "riddles" which hardly ever end up being either.

And the "art"? I wouldn't tell Janin he had good art if he was in a Donut Steel thread. Finch would've been so much better. He lost Sale for a few variants which dropped this off my pull.

Luckily my store usually has enough still on the shelf when I get there. This week I was pleasantly surprised.

But this arc sucks. And it gets another throwaway extension issue next week with King's favorite meme.

Imagine if we got to read batman doing batman things instead of Batman autistically stumbling through life with no plan moaning pathetic expositional thoughts about mother and suicide as he shits the bed continuously before ending everything with a retardedly simple, likely intentionally so for special ironic points from Kings super-intellectual fans, ending which leaves everyone unsatisfied and disappointed they spent a month an a half and 20 dollars following it.

Many comics have disappointed me in the past. most didn't do it so pretentiously while getting good reviews. except for Snyder's Batman.

>>94685818
Why is the Joker in this so good and the Riddler so bad?

>>94685773
That's Frank Miller's Joker from ASSBAR!

>>94687088
He just had an arc in All Star where he inexplicably had power over every person in Gotham, including Gordon and even fucking Alfred.

Fuck off

>>94694746
Because the Riddler is always shit

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>>94685783
>>94685791
Oh, Joker, you're so droll! You are just ever so droll! You've confused your butter knife with your steak knife!

>>94692986
he must be don't know or forgot

>>94692520

So will all these story arcs form a circle?

>>94685834
WE GOTTA START WINNING

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>This replaces Long Halloween as Batmans year 2 story

>>94685848
Even depressed Joker still has it.

>>94687713
likely Endgame didn't happen in the same way in this changed universe or whatever the effect of Rebirth is going to be for Batman

>>94685694

>Terrible poser art
>The most homoerotic designs for Joker and Riddler yet, and their interactions have felt like the start to gay porn
>Terrible title for a story arc
>Cliche, constant dialogue about "this city" and the people in it
>WAR

Jesus fucking Christ, this hits all the notes of terrible Batman stories

>>94692520
>>94685884
Batman will be a fucking monster to join the Joker after he's just killed all the hostages for no reason.

But he probably will, because Riddler threatened to kill Batman AND his family.

>>94690371
I think that's happening, Joker only wants to kill batman so Bruce will choose him but it was a mistake cause he didn't know how far Joker would go with time. Besides futureRiddle seems to imply Batman did something bad to Joker.

>>94692986
Because obviously the umbrella was already a weapon. You don't have to be a criminal mastermind to disguise a gun as an umbrella after all.

>>94696133
Honestly Riddler's threat seems like it would be less impactful given that Batman has already watched his parents get shot in front of him, and this is supposed to be Batman pre-Robins, pre-Batgirls, pre-(or maybe early) Justice League.

Bruce doesn't have much family here beyond Alfred.

My theory is Bats joins with Riddler to stop the Joker, then betrays Riddler after Joker is stopped, which is what Riddler is upset about in >>94692520

>>94694691
>All the action is skipped over for exposition.
I don't think you understand what exposition is.
>Most of the arc has been sitting around telling shitty autistic "one-liners" and "riddles" which hardly ever end up being either.
I think this arc might have gone completely over your head.

>>94696260
Batman always has people he cares about it and he would do anything to prevent them from getting hurt.

>>94695846
Good, Long Halloween was shit. This is already proven to be far more interesting.

>>94696271
sure, anon. I'm just an idiot. Whatever you have to tell yourself to think this isn't garbage.

Also, tell me how it isn't exposition when the story is literally set up as Batman telling this to Selina. Fuck you faggot I'm sick of bullshit non-responses from pretentious faggots who think their favorite comic of the day is so deep.

>>94696321
tell me this was you as well lol

>>94696531
That's called a framing device anon.

>>94696531
>tell me how it isn't exposition when the story is literally set up as Batman telling this to Selina.
Because that's not what exposition is.

>>94696646
>>94696739
I'm aware that's a/the framing device. That does not mean he's showing instead of telling. Most of the action has taken place on stagnant spreads which have appeared, intentionally, in each issue.

I'm very well aware of the pacing and repetition techniques King consistently favors.

>>94685694
Can this arc just end already?

>>94697211
Ever consider the action scenes are not what's driving this story?

>>94696321
LH had good art and didn't skip shit with exposition.

this would be much better with a different artist, at least for the action parts.

>>94698839
When did I say they were? The action is supposed to drive most stories that aren't simply power level wankery. The fact is the action here is weak, it was intended to be a centerpiece along with Tom King's Typical Protagonist brooding over the whole debacle.

>>94699313
this anon gets it at least.

>tfw Batman is good in all the other books except his main one

>>94699313
Even the dinner itself is weak as fuck. I can think of about a dozen artists I'd rather see draw a fancy feast.

>>94699313

What action parts?

Really weak issue. I really don't get how King is so good everywhere but on Batman. I just want this shitty arc to be over with so we can get to some sweet Joelle Jones art instead of this Poser-using Janin trash.

>>94686992
I love this run. Not quite GOAT Morrison but our standards are really high from that. Compared to most. And Snyder this is a instant classic run already.

>>94700080
Ok so the action driving the story is the fight between the Joker and the Riddler and while it's true that Barman is telling the story to catwoman King is still showing us the war.
>not exposition

>>94701156

>King is still showing us the war.

No he isn't. The fuck are you on about?

>>94701210
>what are you on about?
What are you on about? Each issue has been a full showcase of the war between the Joker and the Riddler and it's effects. We see how the war starts, we see thebfirst Volleys on both sides, we see how The Riddler manipulates while the Joker intimidates and vice versa, we see famous battles and how the city is reacting to them and we see those caught in the crossfire and in this very issue we see the debate of who should win.

>>94701466

We see pretty much none of that. We're just told that it happens.

>>94701156
this anon>>94701523 said word for word what I would have said.

All of what you said happens is shown on the spreads I mentioned.

>>94701523
>we're just told that happens
No we don't.

>>94701604
king fan has been ree-ing so hard his brain broke.

>>94685834
>later that night Batman is seen indiviudally apoogizing to the gargoyles of the city

>>94685791
Alright one thing is making Nygma a chad but he has peak reflexes now?

>>94703792
at this rate even the penguin will be a physical match for Batman

>>94685752
Goddamnit. I am a sucker for Riddler's passive agressive shit here.

>>94685791

Dinner knives aren't properly weighted to be thrown that straight.

That's the thing I have the LEAST problem with.

>>94703792
Why not? Batrogues should up their physical stats ASAP, they're dealing with a genius operating at peak human.

>>94703856
Counter-point: It's Batman's Dinnerware.

>>94685825
I can't help but read the name and number of the plates in the Spongebob french narrator voice

>>94685868

Good job, Bruce.

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>>94685848
The joker is, by far, the best part of this arc.

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>>94703829
I would not have a problem with this nor do I have with >>94685791 and I'm actually happy that Telltale had Riddler keeping pace with Batman in that first fight they had. Bring on the badass upgrades, bring back a dangerous Killer Moth, make Batman villains cool again.

Batman seems really OOC.

Also, he doesn't seem to really project much care about the collateral damage in what he does.

>>94703969

You honestly think this Riddler is "cool"? Jesus.

>>94703975
this Batman is dead inside and doesn't care about anything, Batman is just him being suicidal

>>94703983
Yeah I actually do in fact, I love how he's a hunk and he completely owns being the smartest guy in the room schtick which just translates into nice air of menace.

>>94703975
I actually have to disagree, this Batman seems to care more about the collateral damage then most writers previously shown

>>94687713
Is Bruce really going to give them money to stop bitching?

>>94704168

Is that why he hasn't brought up the kid whose death he pretty much directly caused? Why he thought "getting a closer look" at Joker and Riddler was worth over a dozen peoples' lives? Why he hasn't seemed to do much of anything besides stand on the sidelines and watch the mayhem unfold as he ANGSTS about it?

At this point it'd be far more noble of him to just fucking kill himself so that hundreds and hundreds of people will stop dying instead of him wasting time banging Catwoman and providing dinner to a couple of mass-murdering maniacs.

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I dont know whats worse, King's pretentious run on Batman, or this fucking Riddler

>>94704286
To say he has just stand on the sideline is groosly inappropriate anon and comparable to how every other writers don't even bother mentioning the victim's names King's Batman is basically a bleeding heart.

>>94704454
I don't know what's worse, how anti-Kingfags brigade these storytimes every month or the Batfags who screech everytime Batman isn't a flawless golden god.

>>94704286
Why is it you blame Batman and not the riddler for the kid's death? You're like a Marvel citizen.

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>>94704582
This isnt about stupid powerlevel faggotry you moron. The point is this is a stupid fucking story where a dozen characters are being written out of character so this arc can happen. Dent and Ivy taking orders from Nygma, Deadshot somehow fending off fucking Deathstroke for a few days, Eddie himself being a goddamn edgelord nutcase who says the occasional bad riddle in an attempt to sound smart, and this constant reminder of jokes vs riddles is just plain stupid anon. I actually liked the Swamp Thing crossover story and the Kite Man shit from King. This? Not so much

>>94704582
>I don't know who is worse "this made up group" or "this other made up group"

>>94704607
it's Batman's fault for not killing them

>>94704607

Riddler being a murderer is a given. It's like forcing someone to poke a bear with a stick, you don't blame the bear when it kills the guy, but the one who made him do it. Batman forcefully conscripted an otherwise innocent man into his dumbass plan and it ended up getting the guy's kid killed. If Batman didn't exist, that kid would still be alive. Hell, if Batman didn't exist all the people who are dying because of this war would still be alive.

What good does his existence even bring? Literally everything bad that's happened in King's run has been a direct result of Batman's existence. I Am Gotham was all about Strange trying to usurp Batman, I Am Suicide was a continuation of that (Gotham died and Gotham Girl was mindbroken after trying to be like him), I Am Bane happened because Batman felt the need to get all personal with Bane, and his refusal to work with the Robins nearly got not only them, but also Selina, Gordon, Bronze Tiger, and Duke all killed. And now this WAR OF JOKES AND RIDDLES is just a big spat about who gets to kill the Batman. So all we've gotten is Batman trying to clean up his own mess while thousands of people he doesn't give a shit about are dying nonstop.

The entire message of King's run is basically "Gotham would be better without Batman".

>>94685739
Am I the only one who really like's that Twoface design?

>>94704708
>This isnt about stupid powerlevel faggotry you moron.
It totally is though.

>>94704708
>Dent and Ivy taking orders from Nygma.
He talked them into it, he's a smart guy like that and besides it's not like Ivy and Dent are gonna take orders from the joker.
>Deadshot somehow fending off fucking Deathstroke for a few days
Did you just not say this wasn't about power level faggotry?
>Eddie himself being a goddamn edgelord nutcase
Frank Gorshin say hi.
>he tells bad riddles
Nobody writes good riddles and also you're taking the riddler thing too literal.

will we ever got to more self contained stories that are about Batman and not the whole city blowing up as usual

>>94705035
Isnt Deadshot even standing a chance against Deathstroke hand to hand out of character?
His choice of rifle for a sniper shot certainly was

man batman comics havent been good since 2011... this is depressing

>>94704794
>an otherwise innocent man
Charlie Brown was obviously a criminal engineer, the tech guys supervillains yse from time to time.
>If Batman didn't exist, that kid would still be alive.
Nope, Charlie brown would still get embroiled in the war of jokes and riddles and the riddler would still kill his kid.
>Literally everything bad that's happened in King's run has been a direct result of Batman's existence
Absolute bullshit. This argument has always been present with Batman and to me it has always been a stretch. Evil would still exist without Batman, Bane would still be Bane, Hugo strange wpuld still be makong his monster men and the Joker and the Riddler would still exist too.
Batman is not responsible for the evil that men do, Batman is the only thing that can right it.

>>94705075
Maybe Deathstroke is overhyped, ever thought of that anon?

>>94705164

>Charlie Brown was obviously a criminal engineer, the tech guys supervillains yse from time to time.
English please

>Nope, Charlie brown would still get embroiled in the war of jokes and riddles and the riddler would still kill his kid.
Not even worth responding to seriously.

>Absolute bullshit. This argument has always been present with Batman and to me it has always been a stretch. Evil would still exist without Batman, Bane would still be Bane, Hugo strange wpuld still be makong his monster men and the Joker and the Riddler would still exist too.
Batman is not responsible for the evil that men do, Batman is the only thing that can right it.

Batman is absolutely responsible for the evil he inspires. King's Batman is a complete failure as a superhero in every sense of the word. He doesn't help people until they're either dead or crippled, he puts his friends and loved ones directly in harm's way thanks to his arrogance and stupidity, and isn't doesn't deter crime in any way, shape, or form. His continued existence has literally caused far more harm than good throughout King's entire tenure. Has he even helped a single person who wasn't suffering because of him? Stopped a single robbery, rape, murder, assualt, etc? No. He hasn't. At this point if he hung up his cape it would be his most heroic act in the entire run.

>>94706037
See howam I supposed to take your argument seriously when
A) you ignore my counter-arguments
And
B)your own argument is hyperbolic and overwrought.

>>94706037
>>94706227
Where's the connection that Batman is responsible for everyone's woes? It has to be more than Batman is trying to stop two evil masterminds from tearing his city apart or else Superheroes becomes monsters for ever being human.

>>94685848

ouch

>>94685739
Awesome page

>>94685818
Fuck King writes a great Joker

God, Bruce. You are fucking useless.