This is surprisingly dark for the Fantastic Four.

Is this a black joke?

>>94585406
Is this how you pick up women?

>>94585406
Is this worth seeing? Even in the "so bad it's good" kind of way? Or is it boring? There's nothing I hate more than a boring movie.

>>94585416
I originally worded this as "this is surprisingly dark for Johnny Storm" but I knew /co/ get distracted so I changed it.

So no.

>>94585450
Theres only two scenes I care about in the entire movie just because how retarded they are so no. It's not worth a watch.

>>94585450
I didn't mind it much when I saw it. I viewed it as a pseudo-sequel to Chronicle and it works best that way. There are some interesting this in the movie concerning Planet X and it's relation to Earth.

Other than that I say dont waste your time.

>>94585406
So why did they make Torch black again...?

>>94585492
Because. Racism.

>>94585406
This is the FF film in which it's "Clobberin time" was what Ben's abusive dad used to say when he punched his mum?

>>94585492

What color do things turn when you burn them?

That's not why.

>>94585492
Think it's cuz of the director, who worked with him on Chronicle

>>94585406
I have problems with the movie but this one specific line isn't one of them. Gub'ment would sit on their hands all day if you don't get firm.

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>>94585492
Because the growing black middle class and the fact blacks watch more TV/movies than any other ethnic group in the US is a huge money maker.

>>94585500
Nope it's what Ben's brother said to him when he gave him dope slaps

>>94585500
Close. When Ben's abusive bother would say when hurting Ben

>>94585500
Unfortunately it's Ben's older brother when he wants to beat Ben. I like your version better.

>>94585450
No, it's not good at all. It's like they tried making multiple movies, couldn't decide what direction they wanted to go, then spliced them together.

>>94585541
It's even worse is that they stop trying to even do the minimal effort of character stuff once the characters actually all meet

>>94585450
It is worse then Catwoman, it's the single worst comic book movie ever made except B&R and that is only because of good casting for Reed, Sue & Johnny even if they don't give them shit to do.

>>94585522
>>94585526
>>94585534
Jesus I'd remembered that scene much worse than what it actually was.

>>94585613
Ben's alright even though he gets shit on more than any character in the entire film for no real reason.
The thing no one wanted

>>94585613
>good casting for Reed, Sue & Johnny
opinion disregarded

>>94585492
Better question; Why didn't they make Sue black as well?

And the answer is that they didn't have balls enough to have two black leads, so they made up some shit about her being adopted.
Cowardice? Idiocy? Marketing autism? You decide!

>>94585707
Reed and Ben had a very smooth dynamic at the start.

They just drop it when shit actually starts rolling.

>>94585492
They should have cast Jordan as Reed instead, or had the balls to make Sue black too.

>>94585725
No the answer is that Sue Storm is THE definitive blonde super heroine. It would be like taking the S off Superman or the glove off Freddy Kruger.

>>94585778
Oh, fan autism! Forgot about that for a second.

>>94585500
It's amazing how they thought Trank would be the next Cronenberg but the actual film watches like a fucking parody

like crossing over things as clashing as the Fantastic Four and Cronenberg body horror would

>>94585406
Why the fuck was the place at the end called Central City?

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>>94585406
>that image
What did he mean by this, honestly? Like is he begging them to say yes, is he trying to be snarky, was it a threat? I honestly can't tell, maybe I'm more autistic than I thought

>>94585416
NOW THIS IS a black thing, isn't it?

>>94585915
I think they forgot how to write an ending.
Don't forget the scene immediately after this, where they brainstorm a team name.

>>94585915
He's basically saying "don't turn this into a debate". I wouldn't say it's a full blown threat but he just didn't want to fuck around with the back and forth between the military and Reed.

>>94586027
If it's supposed to imply Reed's intelligence it should be coming from Reed, though. Reed is narcissistic, it illustrates his character more.

>>94586027
It's not even said like a "I don't want the back and forth" it's pretty serious and stoic. Like this is going to happen or else

>>94586081
>implying that's the implication
The line is there to show that Johnny has some edge to him, like every other blasted line that character has in the movie. That shit was tiresome.

>>94585725
I think it was less "can't have two blacks" and more "can't have the only girl be anything except white."

Unless the movie is supposed to be making some point about interracial relationships, studios don't like having a white male lead with a black love interest.

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Based MCU giving shit-ass Human Torches another chance

I actually really like Evans in the first two Fantastic Four movies; he's one of the only characters in a superhero movie I can think of who gets powers and immediately just wants to fuck around and get famous

>>94586157
but that implication isn't compelling at all it's boiling the character down to simple cliché

are you suggesting that Fox's writers would do that

just write a script with a dearth of genuine characterization

>>94586233
>the only characters in a superhero movie I can think of who gets powers and immediately just wants to fuck around and get famous
You mean except for Spider-man, right?

>>94585483
Can I ask how it fits as a sequel? Genuinely curious because I love watching films in different states of mind.

>>94586288

I said one of, not the only.

Also I would argue that Raimi Parker didn't want to get famous, he just wanted to get some quick cash to buy a car.

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This movie is surreal and the only enjoyment one could get from it is by discovering the behind the scenes drama and the web of madness that lead to its creation. Furthermore, Ben is given outright cruel treatment in this movie, from his brother, best friend, and Reed himself. Sue unfortunately does not share ANY lines with Ben in the movie so who knows how they feel about one another. Also Johnny is a straight up dick
>"How about we call ourselves the 3 neurons and the thing nobody wanted"
Jesus Christ, its not even a fun jab

>>94585725
>Better question; Why didn't they make Sue black as well?
Reality: Sue was Fox's choice that vetoed Trank's preferred actress.

Trank's Jonny was Trank's pick, as they had met in the last film together. So it is possible that he would have picked a black Sue as well if it was up to him.

>>94586432
Yeah, as much as I think Trank had a fucking meltdown making this movie, I think that Fox are a big part to blame.

Their biggest mistake was getting someone fresh from an independent film where he had a lot of creative control and a script by another weird indie guy to a big budget film for an IP that had failed before, in a genre that he was only tangentially related to, with two other big budget studio projects scheduled straight after, and with the much greater amount of control and oversight from execs who will misunderstand things very easily

it's easy to see why the guy went fucking cuckoo

>>94585737
This is absolutely true. People hate Reed each day more. Making him black could get the character some sympathy, because of the novelty.

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>>94585450
I'm probably the only guy you'll meet that got any enjoyment out of that movie, and even I gotta say all the cool parts got buried under garbage. But There ARE a couple cool bits.
>The tone
This is not a superhero movie, it's a sci-fi thriller, staring the fantastic 4. This isn't necessarily done well, but it is interesting to see the characters in a different light, if only for the novelty.
>The Thing
Ben's whole transformation is GENUINELY really cool. As much as it was at odds with the rest of the cast, the sci-fi thriller tone really worked with Ben's powers. The body horror element is ramped way up. The accident didn't turn him into a rock-man, it tuns him into ROCK, just solid rock. He can't move, he can't even open his eyes to see what's going on, all he can do is yell for help, desperate for answers. What going on? Where am I? What happened to me? but no one can help, and no one has any answers to give him. He just has to slowly struggle to crack and break himself back into a vaguely human shape over the course of WEEKS.
Before the transformation he's just as bad as the rest of the cast, but the accident turned him into the one genuinely good thing in that movie

>>94585737
>>94586509
Jordan's also a pretty boy, so you could actually emphasise that it's mostly Reed's prickly personality keeping people away, not just 'lol dweeb'.

>>94586516
I agree on the Thing stuff, but I still can't find any reason for the lack of fucking pants

sure when he first wakes up but the whole film?

>>94586314
It doesn't really. I'd view it as kind of a spritual successor. Like if they made a movie in the same franchise but without anything to do with the first movie except for the general concept(kids get superpowers).

>>94586288
Retard

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>>94586226
>studios don't like having a white male lead with a black love interest.

>>94586629
That's more TV. TV really likes that. You don't see it as much in movies.

>>94585450
Not it is only objectively and factually bad.
I love comic book movies. Absolutely love them. I have been an avid comic book fan for over 30 years, and it still warms my heart to see live-action versions of characters and stories I thought I would never ever see. So I guess you could say I am easy to please in this regard, but I loved BvS, I have loved nearly every MCU and DCEU movie, and almost all of the X-Men movies. I even like the original Crow, The Losers, Red (and Red 2), Road to Perdition, Scott Pilgrim, you name it: if it's based on a comic, I'm in.

This Josh Trank Fantastic 4 movie was terrible and I disliked everything about it.

>>94586629
>>94586664
This is mainly due to the overseas market. One of the most interesting things I learned from the Sony hack is that movies with black leads generally don't do well in China because the Chinese quite literally don't like black people.

>>94586575
>be an amorphous rock monster
>your dick barely looks any different from a rockslide
>you can choose...
>walk around naked all day because nobody is going to be able to tell if that's your dick or not
>OR
>walk around wearing pants like Mickey Mouse

>>94586763
This is why I like having Ben wear an Ultimates-style uniform, it makes more sense than him running around with just a pair of pants on.

>>94585613
Batman & Robin is leagues better than both FF and Catwoman.

>>94585406
DESU, OP, i heard so much bad things of this movie that i never went to the theatre to watch it, i didnt even watched it on tv when they 1st passed it. It was a total surprise for me when it entertained me, and i agree with the Anon saying its more a psi fi movie than a super hero one, yeah, 2nded

>>94586862
dumb phoneposter

>>94586696

>One of the most interesting things I learned from the Sony hack is that movies with black leads generally don't do well in China because the Chinese quite literally don't like black people.

Oh, that's been a known thing for a while. That's also why we're never ever getting a gay action movie lead as long as Hollywood sucks China's dick, they hate minorities and gay people.

Don't you remember all that spicy shitposting about how The Force Awakens was going to bomb because it starred a black guy, and Disney was burning money because they dared to cast a minority lead and thus was forced diversity? Like casting a black guy was somehow fiscally irresponsible?

Fun times.

>>94586877
What can i say.... on my way home

>>94586912
>China hates gays and minorities
>perfectly okay with whites because... because shut up
It's always good to be reminded that abject retardation and double standards is a global phenomena.

>>94586800
No it's literally among the worst movies of any kind ever made the ONLY positives that can be said about it is the Mr.Freeze suit was decent if a bit dated and Cloony was a ok Bruce.

>>94587086
If you think of in terms of 1966 Batman it isn't so bad.

>>94587141
>if you go through mental gymnastics it isnt so bad

>>94586912
The PRC bans movies that show china or chinese values in a bad light. Between that and limited hollywood films in china per year its just good investment to pander to the chinese government.

>>94587086
You are an idiot and/or have not watched a lot of movies if you genuinely think that.

>>94587213
It's barely a mental hop for me, bro. Is using your imagination hard for you?

>>94586912
So how did the new Star Wars do in China?

>>94587322

>So how did the new Star Wars do in China?

Gangbusters. Asia fucking loves Star Wars, it could have starred a transsexual Mexican woman and a bazillion dollarydoos.

They love it as much if not more then we do, and some pop culture genuinely does transcend prejudices.

>>94587363
That's disappointing to me, but only because I think the rebooted SW-Abrams verse is boring as fuck.

>>94587402

Oh, quality is a different argument(I loved it, but I get why people didn't), I'm just specifically talking about the memesters who were arguing it would flop in China because of black people.

>>94587476
I honestly think Abrhams might run the series into the ground. So far between FA and R1 I have been unimpressed. If LJ ends up being bad or worse *boring* I'm tapping out for good.

>>94587363
Didn't China only get Star Wars (as in the entire fucking saga) very recently? I wouldn't think they'd love it that much. Japan, sure, but China? Ehhh...

>>94587546

He had nothing to do with Rogue One or Last Jedi. Like he's straight-up gone form the franchise at this point.

Disney seemingly launched him out of a cannon the second he was done with TFA.

>>94587579
Well that gives me some hope. I've honestly never understood his appeal, and I don't know why they put Garreth "No Godzilla in a Godzilla movie" Edwards in charge of anything at this point

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>thing throws tank so hard it's obliterated

just how strong is he?

>>94585526
That's honestly fucking hilarious.

>>94587653
I can't believe that actually made it into the movie. It looks like they didn't finish the effect or something

>>94587653
Well he's not throwing it at a very fast velocity, seemingly it just disintegrates for no reason. And he's not throwing the whole thing, just the turret. An Abrams turret is ~22 tons, 1/3 of the total weight. Another mitigating factor is that he's throwing it downward, so gravity is on his side, and he spends a relatively long time swinging it to prep it for the throw, and throws his whole body into it.

It looks like he tossed it about 5-6 meters. So he's strong enough to throw a 22,000 kg object several meters in much the same way Juha Rasanen can throw a 60 kg object a similar distance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB_vlaP-3uo

Juha can bench 251 kg with great effort.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P0IGCmd0lk

Assuming proportional powerful muscles, then, that throw would indicate that the Thing can bench press 90-95 metric tons.

>>94585465
"this is surprisingly dark for Johnny Storm" would be an amusing shitpost. But may I recommend "bleak" or "grim"

>>94585613
There is nothing wrong with batman and robbin.

>>94585508
This.
I am not going to deny token blacks happen because they absolutly do but there is a far more innocent explanation here.

>>94587861
neat

>>94585492
IT DOESN'T MATTER. That is 100% not one of the film's flaws.

>>94586696
Well it is Sony, but after earth did do better over seas than America >>94586664

>>94588247
Meaning what, it earned like 40 bucks? That movie was god-awful. And I really wanted to like it.

>>94586664
I don't know, there's black and white, free state of jones, loving, spiderman homecoming, every Zoe Saldana movie...

>>94586912
They'd rather see Chiwetel Ejiofor or will Smith than a tebitan apparently.

>>94586233
Too bad Jordan isn't The Patriot.

>>94586516
The very last scene where that film was being good was the scenes in the base, with the transformed F4 in terror of their physical changes.

>>94586516
Well put. I think this movie could've been good if they would've committed to a tone and direction. The body horror stuff was really interesting, cast was as good as you could possibly ask for IMO for this interpretation of a young F4, and this is a complete side-note but I actually kind of dug the "we got drunk and wanted to see the Negative Zone before anyone else" angle. It doesn't necessarily fit the F4 comic readers know and love, but it does justify Ben's presence in the experiment better than it had been previously.

>>94586673
Found the 12 year old with no tolerance for actual discussion

>>94585416
No, it's a rape joke.

>>94589858
I'm 40 and I was attempting to contribute to the discussion.

>>94585406
>"It's clobbering time" is what Ben's abusive older brother would say before beating Ben up
I will NEVER watch a Fox movie again after the way they raped the F4.

>>94586516
dude the doom hallway scene is very well done

>>94586509
Denzel could probably have killed it as Reed

Course if Sue remains white and blonde we'd have to put up with BLACKED memery

>>94587653
>>94587698
The movie's CGI was outsourced to a fucking video game company

>>94585406
What has Trank done since F4?

>>94591636
>more--

please?

>>94586673
>objectively bad
lol

>>94591937
Absolutely nothing. That tweet blaming Fox sealed his fate.

>>94591937
Spiraled deeper and deeper into the slump he was already falling into during the F4 filming, I'd imagine. If you check his IMDB page, he's done literally nothing since that movie was blasted by critics, bombed, and he blamed the studio for it all on Twitter.

>>94587653
lmao it's like when Master Shake throws something on the ground in ATHF

>>94586288
>wore a mask

you sure pal?

You know I was a little taken aback during Doom's rampage scene. It was pretty violent for a PG-13 movie.

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>>94587653
>tanks
>closing to any distance less than 500 meters on an active hostile that could, even just potentially, survive a direct hit from the main cannon
I'll "take what the fuck were the crew smoking" for 500 Alex

>>94587698
>I can't believe that actually made it into the movie. It looks like they didn't finish the effect or something
>>94591892
>The movie's CGI was outsourced to a fucking video game company

Someone who claimed to be from that company came by on /co/ and shared info on early drafts of the scripts and then said something like either they get paid for the overtime or the film goes unfinished as is. Anyone remember that thread?

>>94593671
>>94591892
>>94587698
Found it:

http://desuarchive.org/co/thread/72438142

Later on the OP says in http://desuarchive.org/co/thread/72438142/#72443379

>-We've done 4 major films but not a lot of effects work on that
>-MP is doing some work as well, don't know about them.
>-We focus on mainly video game rendering and software for that but also do some film effects because our software is pretty cool
>-Trank picked us our software was used for a few Infamous commercial shorts and we had word that WETA and MP would also be doing most of the work.
>- I'm on a project now involving a GPU maker that's all I can say specifically
>- Not completely up to date but if the reshoots require any effects beyond minor clean ups then we cannot do them in time (the rumour around here)
>- a 3D conversion was supposed to be done by WETA will now either not happen due to a 3 month window, or all of our footage will handed off to Legendary and we're done with it.

>>94587031
The girls want to get COLONIZED and the guys want white girls. The funny thing is that Chinese guys are taking African wives due to how fucked their gender balance is due to one child policy

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>>94593696
>I work for a company that Trank specifically chose and that he's been a headache for us
>Trank wants the Thing to be big, we tried to stay consistent in size, but he will randomly send notes saying "he has to be bigger here."
so his size is more or less dependent from one scene to the next.
>We will send him updated effects animations and not hear from him for days or at one point a week and a half for a major scene only to get an email saying we need to change basically everything

Holy shit, I want a behind the scenes documentary about this now

>>94593696
What the fuck is that really Trank? I thought everyone was just joking about that happening

>>94585613
Suicide squad was worse

>>94593790
Read the rest of the thread, someone got angry at the leaker in that thread and the angry guy is assumed to be either Trank or someone close to him.

Why do I think that's likely? Cause in that same thread someone made this snarky post:

http://desuarchive.org/co/thread/72438142/#72453438

>1st movie is space bugs
>2nd movie is doom bots
>3rd movie will be galactus

>that's literally the same plots as the avengers movies

And got this response from "Frank" (who's supposed to be Trank):

http://desuarchive.org/co/thread/72438142/#72453520

>honestly first movie is space bugs
>second movie is psycho-man
>third movie is Kang the Conqueror

No one officially confirmed that Kang was in the hands of Fox until James Gunn did so like just days after that post was made.

>>94593830
On that day no one was really sure and just laughed it off as a joke.

But then when some other sites tried to report about that thread, they received legal notices from Fox.

And the other kicker was in >>94593860 where Trank revealed that Kang was at Fox days before James Gunn officially did.

>>94593696
This is good shit, I've never seen this before

also
>Simon is a dick that just wants to hold onto "his" characters no matter what like this movie comes out he gets an extension for another two year automatically same with X-men

Not surprising but this makes me want the rights back at Marvel even more just to spite that hack.

>>94593790
>Holy shit, I want a behind the scenes documentary about this now

There was a lot of crazy things going on a year and a half before the movie was out. Like for instance this:

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/movie-tv/f4-reboot-internet-famous-threadupdate-8-11-kinbergno-crossovertricky-ip/53956399/

>>94590817
Yes it was, I was gonna make a third point about that and how I think they got the threat, intimidation, and powerlevel of DOOM better than the other movies. Unfortunately they got the rest of DOOM's character incredibly wrong and those scenes get lumped in with the rest of his and leave a bad taste in peoples mouths.

>>94585492
When red superman and red Lois' soul is floating everywhere, they bump into Johnny Storm's unborn soul by accident and he fell into a black woman's vagina

>>94586350
I do believe comic Spidey originally used his powers for show business (before Ben's murder)

There was even a what-if on if Ben wasn't murdered

>>94587031
Because we are better than them.