Whatever happened to Tim Drake? He was by far the best Robin

Being the middle child is hard, they don't get much attention

>>94556213
His character became shit.

Teen Titans by Lobdell happened and in that he was a complete piece of shit. Most importantly, it was in the relatable shitty way, so it stuck with fans. They made him into a bit of a slut like dick which put off a lot of his fans, became a bit of a Mary Sue.

He'll be back after Doomsday Clock, but they need to bring his character back to its basics.

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I miss Tim.

>legacy characters

enjoy becoming irrelevant the next time a writer decides to change shit up

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>>94556374

>He was by far the best Robin

Timfags, everyone

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>Tim

>>94556374
>>94556396

cass and Tim had a thing? I was out of the comic scene in this period. I checked out just after No Mans Land and came back only recently.

>>94556213
>He was by far the best Robin especially over that little shit called Damian.
Fuck off, nostalgiafag. He was an annoying and desperate attempt to appeal to kids with his fucking 1337 hax0r skillz and he was a Mary Sue. And not the buzzword kind of Mary Sue, I mean an actual Mary Sue: he was introduced into the comic, immediately was the best at everything and everyone liked him.

>>94556213
Being the most boring vanilla Robin finally caught up to him

>>94556562
Except not really because he never died and Batman now knows that. Meaning he'll be back soon.

Tim should be duck themed

>>94556468
What's your vote for better Robin?

>>94557781
I think he means character wise, they're bringing him back, but that didn't matter unless they manage to find something to do with him other than another Prop in an overcrowded Detective.

>>94556511
Not a serious thing. Just another pointless attempt to convince uninterested readers of his heterosexuality.

>>94558118
Damian.

>>94558118
Dick
Damian is contextually better though when paired with Dick

>Batgirl fulfills Tim's role as the super-intelligant Hacker to a T while being a cute girls.
It's over Timfags, just accept it and move on.

>he's having his tantrum again

>>94556213
I agree with you completely but the batfags on this board are all edgelords or silver age fetishists, so this basically amounts to a bait thread here.

Sorry this board is such shit.

>>94556213
>why did they make him one of the integral parts in the main mystery of DC Rebirth
Gee, man, I sure don't know.

>>94558118
Carrie Kelley. Everyone sucks Tim's dick for wanting to help Batman without a tragic backstory, but she did it first, and had more personality too.

>>94556329
Tim has been awful since IC. I seriously don't understand how would anyone think his Red Robin book was great because he was completely a Mary Sue in it.

>>94558810
That's why people liked it.

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>>94556213
How did we get to the point where the same character, still age 36, has this huge procession of teenaged wards as sidekicks? Are the fans that fickle or the writers, or both?

Explain the need for this faggotry to me.
If Batman is going to be in this eternal time-loop that even ignores some major continuity shifts, where does this need for Fresh sidekicks come from?

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I like buzzcut Tim Drake

>>94558849
Not this guy >>94558810
but I hated it exactly for the reasons he says. It was exactly the sort of phoning-it-in garbage that Nicieza and others did that led to X-Men going from #1 worldwide to utter fucking dogshit.

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>>94559218
I mean look at this shit, Ra's al Ghul has been alive for a thousand years or so, seen countless warriors come and go, and yet he can't suck Tim's dick fast enough, not to mention him talking up Tim when he usually reserves his respect for DE-TEC-TIVE was part of their attempt to push Tim as Batman Junior... but it should've been obvious then that Damian would occupy that role forevermore, even when Morrison eventually went through with his plans to kill him.

>>94556468
>>94556508
>>94558093
>>94558253
Care to explain why do you think Damian is better than Tim,Damifag? because he is an worse mary sue who always did nothing wrong, and his only trait excluding being a complete mary sue is being a asshole.

>>94558258
That is right through. Damian was ok with Dickbats

hes a prison bitch right now

>>94558713
Weren't her parents druggies though?

I liked BTAS Tim.

>>94558930
It was that line of thinking that lead to the 5 years timeline in the New 52.

The only thing Tim had going for him was being the modern Robin. He doesn't have that anymore and doesn't really have a role anymore.

>>94560093
BTAS Tim was Jason 0.2.

>>94558218
My guess is that the writers are going to put him in TT or revive YJ once Tim gets back. It makes since especially if the rumors about the TT and Titans roster getting altered are true.

I can't see anything being done with him in the Bat books due to all the characters that are already there.

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>>94556213
He should go the spiteful rout like Jason but it being Tim he should do it intelligently, so he drops the bat family for Gordon and becomes a GPD cop. Would you read a run of Tim Drake Homicide Detective?

>>94559883
I made a joke based on Tim's last name. Damian didn't even come to mind.

>>94556355
Dick has never been irrelevant.

>>94560242
It would work regarding gimmicks. But only if Gorden were in on it and knew he was part of the family.

Tim had a good run. Let him rest.

>>94559883
Mary Sue get shit done Damian is likely to fall on his face because of his personality.

Damian is normally doing something wrong.

Dick and Damian work out well because their personalities work well together.

>>94560052
Your parents being ex-hippie potheads isn't a "tragic backstory", it was just an excuse for why they didn't notice she was missing.

Tim Drake's excuse was his parents were jet-setting upper-class twits, and then that his mom was dead and his dad as comatose/crippled/eventually dead too.

I just find Carrie more believable in every way.

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>>94556213
Tim is quintessentially Robin. They put him on ice during Rebirth because they need to find a good place for him. With Damian on the Teen Titans and Dick on Titans it leaves little room to work with.

We do know he is coming back September and Duke will probably be out of the picture once Snyder develops his Meta(l) ability. By that logic we will have Tim as Batmans protege again, possibly as a roaming Batfamily member.

His character itself was a boy scout who was extremely intelligent. He gets along a little too well with everyone within the Batfamily due his pragmatism. Not to mention to mention there are only a handful of Tim stories I actually remember vividly, most of which are from a "meh" Teen Titans run.

>>94560242
Shit nigga, that sounds great. Tim going a full career cop who trains and builds up a specialized unit of SWAT officers dedicated to dealing with Meta/super criminals. I would love to see them demonstrate his intelligence again. Tim was usually goaded as the smartest of the Robins (Lets bypass Damian's super intellect). Without Batman he would of probably went on to work at S.T.A.R. Labs or something.

>>94560330
>Tim becomes a literal detective
>Becomes Gordon's right hand
>A bridge between the bats and the greater GPD
>Gets a trench coat and bros up with Constantine some times
>In the future it's not Barbra that's commissionaire anymore, it's Tim

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>>94556511

Nah. It was them becoming more closer with each other when Stephanie died. Basically as shown Bruce sent Tim to Bludhaven, but decided to also send Cass there to watch him. The time made them bond more, but their feelings were never more than just friends.

Now OYL and Slade-drugged up Cass on the other hand.

>>94560242
Tim grows to dislike vigilantism because he thinks it creates more problems than it solves and becomes full opposite-day Jason. Maybe he gets in good with The Wall too. Fund it.

>>94560643

So basically a way more rational and thoughtful way like Stephanie is doing right now.

>>94560709
I'd read a Tim and Steph cop book.

>>94560416
>more believable
Yes because a man dressing as a bat and taking sidekicks in green and red spandex needs to have believable characters.

>>94560532
>Damian's coat that he wears in the future is just Tim's old detective coat made into part of the bat costume

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>>94560751

I'd rather just have Tim/Cass. They have a much more natural dynamic in balancing each other. Tim is the mind. Cass is the brawn. Stephanie's the WILD CARD BITCHES to them both.

>>94560858
Oh my god Kill yourself.

>>94560886

Which also parallels their two mindsets. Tim wants a life beyond being a vigilante, yet Cassandra is one who wants to fully embrace it. Stephanie is more Tim-like. She isn't in this for the long haul. Kind why it makes sense that in Tim's mind he envisioned Cass more as the real heir to Bruce than everyone else he is so damn bias against Damian.

>>94560937
Any particular reason you capitalized that K?

>>94560959
Well, the little shit did beat him up to prove a "point"

>>94556213
So, will he ever get a new codename? Red Robin was lame

>>94556355
>A Batman's kid irrelevant ever

Last time i checked Damian, Jason and Dick had a book

>>94560284
All the other Robins have something special about them. Dick was the first, and is known by casuals because of the Adam West TV shows and cartoons. Jason's got the whole death/resurrection bad boy thing going, and Damian is Bruce's biological son. Tim has always been the "normal" Robin, which doesn't lend itself well to him having a lot to offer if he's no longer part of the Dynamic Duo

>>94561537
How dare you!
Tim is the Robin with the stick, and he will always be remembered for that

>>94560497
>>94560242
Dick already did the whole Robin turned cop thing

>still named Red Robin
>current costume is just a Robin costume with 2 R's

Maybe when his fans and writers are able to move on and accept a new angle, then the character will as well but until then he's pointless

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>>94561581
Nah, Damian's taken that away from him too. As he's become less lethal he often swaps his katana for a bo staff

>>94561585

Which is why he should go to investigator or work at Star Labs. But then he'd be like Luke Fox so....

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>>94556213
>tim
>best robin

>>94561913
damian's new costume sucks

>>94561913
Damn, thats brutal

>>94558364
It doesn't help that hating on Tim is legitimately a /co/ meme and most people here probably got into Batman through the cartoons, which was all about Dick (even when he looked and acted like Tim).

>>94558810
This is also true. To's art was nice, but the writing was pure Timfag fanfic. And I say this as someone that genuinely liked Tim.

>>94556213
Which one is his color btw?

Nightwing is blue
Red Hood is well, red
Damian is green, i think?
Duke is yellow

>>94558713
Carrie is a nothing character.

She has so little time devoted to her you couldn't possibly say anything serious about her personality without scrumming from other Robins.
Tim was Robin for 20 years or more. Carried his own series- first Robin to do so- for nearly all of it.
Saying Carrie has more personality than Tim is pure memefaggotry.
You can just not like him without pretending like there's something objective about your shit taste, and stop embarrassing yourself.

>>94561618
They should make him into an Oracle kind of character.

>>94556213
someone didn't read red robin.

>>94562683
I prefer the costume from Inc/Batman & Robin more too, but I dig the idea of his costume being sort of regal looking too, taking inspiration from Bruce and Ra's and becoming it's own thing

>>94560284
He actually was which is why DC was planning to kill him.

>>94563337
The collared cape and tunic look great, but the green parts look just toyetic.

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This September

>>94563416
Only because Didio doesn't like him.

Fan outrage was the only reason it didn't happen.

>>94563724
He's still stuck being written by Tynion though

>>94564373
It actually was considered because he became so irrelevant that there was no place anymore. Him being Batman is what boosted his popularity before it dropped again in n52 where Grayson is what saved him this time.

>>94564462
>no place anymore
*for him

>>94561581
Every Robin has a stick

Teen Titans cartoon made that clear with Dick using a staff

The only one who didn't use one was Jason Todd, and we know how he turned out in the end

>>94564462
There's a difference between "he can't carry a solo series right now, we need to come up with a new angle" and "kill the motherfucker"

Didio was the only one in camp B

>>94560594
>Stop fondling my nipples and listen!
What the fuck DC?

>>94560886
WILDCARD BITCHES!

>>94556213
Why do timfags hate damian so god damn much?

and why would anyone like Tim?

>>94564484
It started with Tim. The TT cartoon Robin using a staff is because the cartoon versions of Dick like to crib a lot of traits from Tim, and have done so ever since BTAS.

>>94564520
Clearly Didio wasn't the only one because DC were seriously planning to get rid of him before they changed their minds last minute.

>>94564567
I agree

Even the Young Justice version of Dick took that shit from Tim. All Tim got in that series is a Buzz Cut

>>94564561
It really needs to be her catchphrase.

>>94564564
>Why do timfags hate damian so god damn much?

They get annoyingly obsessive about it, but I totally get it. From their perspective, Damian "stole" the Robin mantle from Tim.

>>94564484
A budding relationship with an Amazon and an adopted kryptonian?

>>94564564
I'm not fan of either nor I'm the OP, but I have been here long enough to say that Damian fans have more hate towards Tim than the other way around.

>>94564647
>Damian fans have more hate towards Tim than the other way around.
I think that might just be Damifag.

>>94564717
I can easily recognize her unique style and trust me, it's not just her.

they should just make a Tim and Damian book, they have a unique chemistry and forcing them together could be entertaining

I am a Timfag but I do recognize that his character is flawed because he never outgrew his role as robin.
So, how do we fix him?

>>94564794
I see a lot of other people making fun of Tim for being boring, but Damifag is the only one who actively and vitriolically hates Tim

>>94564902
I know Timfags want him to take up the cowl, but honestly Tim is the Robin for whom it would make the most sense that he hangs up the cape. Like his whole shtick is that he's a good detective - let him become a PI.

>>94564619
>uses Joker's old name
>has a trinity 2.0
Everything he does, no matter how hard he tries, will be the sloppy seconds of a character ten times more iconic than him. Even his guns

>>94561618
I can't believe they just put 2 Rs on his costume. It looked so dumb.

>>94565010
>Even his guns
I think that thanks to UtRH movie and Arkham Knight, Jason is closing in on Punisher popularity

>>94556213
Tim's natural progression has been weird ever since Identity Crisis, with a brief interval in the red Robin series where he got a writer who actually cared about the character instead of using him as a canvas for what they want Robin to be (Batman junior or Dick number two) His own fans won't let him progress, either, they're too stuck on the TIM DRAKE IS THE GREATEST ROBIN without realizing he was never meant to be Robin forever. And a lot of people are a fan of that 2000's Teen titans tim that was basically a different character.

>>94564904
You never meet a Damian fan outside of /co/, huh? There are some Damian fans who hate Tim so much that they literally use his name as insult.

>>94565010
Shut your face anon

>>94565082
Do you mean on places like CBR? I just assume everyone there is mentally deficient and sleep better at night.

>>94565010
You do know that Jason is the one who made Red Hood moniker more popular than it was ever before, right? Not only that, but the relationship he has with his dark trinity is completely different too compared the trinity.

Dick's a fucking dick giving the mantle of robin to Damian like that, he doesn't give a fuck about Tim

>>94565065
I'd argue UtRH is one of the biggest reasons as to why he's popular. That was a good movie desu
>>94565102
Search it in your heart, for you know it to be true

>>94565243
UtRH is better, but more people played Arkham Knight

>>94565185
What this dude say. Jason Todd already succeeded and found hid own thing.

>>94565218
Except Dick was right and Tim handled it like a whiny bitch. Or rather his fans are bitches for still holding that against Dick.

>>94565327
>Jason Todd already succeeded and found hid own thing.
I dunno. I don't expect the anti-trinity to last forever, and once it ends DC will be back to trying to find somewhere to put Jason

>>94564462
It's funny how people forget that there was a time when Tim was far more popular than Dick and that DC was even struggling to make him relevant.

>>94565185
He's the second Robin, the "Second" Red Hood, not even the fourth to introduce a "Dark Trinity", and his anti-hero-with-dual-guns shtick has been done done to death countless times

He's not special, he's just getting sloppy seconds

>>94556213
>Origin and importance to Batman is directly tied to the previous Robin
>Was phased out of the role by someone with a much more consistent and distinct characterization. His transition to Red Robin is not a story about Tim Drake

That's all you to know. Tim Drake is baggage. Dick, Jason, and Damian have a personal connection that Tim will just never have. When he left the role he had already been at the mercy of writers with too many conflicting ideas about who he was.

Red Robin doesn't have a story, or even a moment, that perfectly summarizes his relationship with Batman. There is no good template for Time Drake because his primary one was, "Batman needs a Robin." So he's caught in between being the element that keeps Bruce good-natured rather than violent (something every batfamily member can do) and being Batman Lite.

Tim without Bart and Kon is not a Tim I want.

>>94565530
Tim's defining trait, before his dad got killed, is the fact that he's a well-adjusted kid that has NO connection to Batman

He's his Robin because he earned it. Not because he was taken in by Batman

>>94565399

How did it go down? I wasn't reading when it all happened.

>>94565403
I'm not talking about the Dark Trinity (though, the fact it has been succeed means that it will probably be always part of his history).

>>94565483
No one said he is special one (none of the Robins actually are). What made him success is his complex character that made his "sloppy seconds" unique in different way and his own thing which is why he such a popular character.

>>94565602
>Tim's defining trait, before his dad got killed, is the fact that he's a well-adjusted kid that has NO connection to Batman

That sure makes it easy to make him an interesting character once he gives up the cowl, huh?

>>94565666
>though, the fact it has been succeed means that it will probably be always part of his history

Well I mean this was, what, Lobdell's 3rd try at a Jason trinity?

>>94565483
Mate he's popular. Far more than he honestly deserves to be, given the quality of his past writers. If you asked your average person who Red Hood was, they'd say Jason Todd before the Joker

>>94560789
Yes. The reader needs to be able to imagine themselves in the situation, and see the characters act in a logical and consistent way. Repeated absurd actions take away from that

>>94565733
There was a time where Shazam was more popular than Superman

Give it time, and people's interest will fade away

>>94565602

This. Then Lobdell fucked his origin so bad. I still can't believe Tynion didn't unfuck that horrific origin. It's weird though Lobdell royally fucked Tim while royally helped Jason in his two runs on Outlaws.

Scott Lobdell is Gendo of comics?

>>94565769
>There was a time where Shazam was more popular than Superman
Your willing to wait 70 years?!

>>94565769
Yeah, that what people said 10 years ago.

>>94565769
There was a time when Jason was just a costume on display.
Give it time, anything can happen.

>>94565530
Is gud point. Tim becoming Red Robin is not a story about Tim becoming Red Robin, it's about Dick Grayson becoming Batman.

>>94565688
Yeah.

Because there is more than that to him. That descriptior is just what made him stand out among the four Robins.

>>94564484
I think most people see it as
>Dick - Batons
>Jason - Pistols
>Tim - Staff
>Damian - Sword

>>94565859
There was also a time where Jason was just a Dick Grayson Knock Off
Like you said, anything can happen

>>94565713
>Lobdell's 3rd try at a Jason trinity?
What the heck you even talking about? You mean the previous the Outlaws that have around for 40 issues plus the 13 issues of Jason/Roy partnership that still canon?

>>94565652
Pretty sure it was handled in Red Robin and started with Tim angry that Dick was making Damian Robin. Combined with Bruce stuff it sent Tim into a depression and Dick didn't believe him about Bruce being alive. Mostly because Tim had no proof and was in fact acting crazy. But they made up. Yet some Tim fans act like Dick was a tyrant despite Dick being under a lot of stress as well.

>>94565921
True

But not among Robins specifically, but in each individual person after. Every Robin has a staff

>>94565921
Okay are they batons or eskrima sticks? Are those the same things?

>>94556329
Every bat character is a Mary Sue, but there can still be awesome stories with them.

His Red Robin book is such an example. When Ra's calls him "Detective" I cry every tiem.

>>94565953
>Jason was just a Dick Grayson Knock Off
This was never true. Pre-crisis Jason was his unique character that only needed a different origin. Tim actually stole so much for him.

>>94565852
>70 years
It was 14, actually. Less if you want to get technical

>>94564960
I don't really want him to take up the cowl, unless it's something brief and temporary, like when he had to face Jason in "Battle fo the cowl" because Dick refused to do so, but I also think is shitty how some fans want him to be stagnated as Robin forever.

>>94565859
>Give it time, anything can happen
I remember a time where /co/ said that no one care about Jason Todd and end up getting btfo everytime.

>>94566104
/co/ is literally the most btfo board.

>>94565853
UtRH was 7 years ago

Red Hood only really kicked off recently, and that's debatable

>>94566104
/co/ became its main defender

It's in their nature to love something they once hated

>>94565956
>Jason/Roy partnership
That's exactly it

It's not a trinity anymore. It didn't last. And considering this Trinity includes fucking Bizzaro, it definitely won't last

>>94566133
Seriously, how new are you? People said the same thing after Under the hood, Under the Red Hood movie, Arkham Knight and look where he is now.

And what debatable? That he isn't popular? Are you seriously that delusional?

>>94566021
Eskrima sticks are the weapons, baton is a much more generic term for sticks that you use (conducting, relay races, performances, etc)

I never really cared for Tim
>I totally figured everything out that night at the circus!
>Batman NEEDS a Robin!
>Calling himself Red Robin

>>94566246
Thanks anon. Learning something new everyday

>>94558118
Dick > Jason > Damien > Steph > Carrie Kelly > an actual robin bird > Baskin Robins > the shit of the bird after eating Baskin Robins > Tim

>>94566219
Exactly what? Of course it's not going to stay forever. Just look at the Justice League.

>>94566233
>Seriously, how new are you? People said the same thing after Under the hood, Under the Red Hood movie, Arkham Knight and look where he is now.
lol wut? All I said was that the Movie was 7 years ago, and it debatably jumpstarted his popularity

What DO YOU think I'm saying, genius?

>>94566449
>Exactly what?
That... it's not a Trinity anymore...

Jesus, man, learn to read

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>>94566442
>forgetting the OG Red Robin

>>94566479
And why did you think that I was referring to the movie when I said "10 years ago" that you needed to correct me, 'genius'?

>>94566530
>tfw even a obscure restaurant/fast food chain is more famous than you

Being Tim is suffering

>>94566502
Oh my God, you are truly something.

>>94565853
>>94566133
>>94566233
>>94566479
>>94566562
This is one thing I hate about anonymous message boards; people get confused as to who exactly they're replying to and shit like this happens

>>94566530
I actually wanted to include that but didn't want people to accidentally think I was referring to Tim's Red Robin alias and tarnish the restaurants image.

>>94566562
That the actual years when he got popular was 7 instead of 10?

I corrected your summation

Unless you haven't realized it by now, I'm not the same guy

Batman #635 was twelve years ago, too. So I don't get where you get this 10 year benchmark from, exactly.

>>94566597
>obscure

I mean it's no McDonald's, but it has over 500 restaurants.

>>94566601
>has nothing to say so I'm gonna just jab at it
Clever

I could insult that anon's intelligence by describing his shitty sentence structure, but it'd be stupidly unoriginal

this thread kinda proves jason and his fans are the worst. No matter how much damian fans and tim fans hate each other and their respective favorite.

and all of what I just wrote is pathetic.

>>94566707
>Unless
It's "in case you haven't realized it by now"

Grammar Nazi, I know

>>94566820
Atleast we can all agree that Dick Grayson is a fucking Man-Whore

>>94566820
I think Dickfans are the most sufferable right simply because they're on top. He just came off a runaway success with Grayson and is currently holding a moderately successfully solo series. The worst you have to deal with with them is the gay shit

>>94566707
Red Hood didn't get popular 7 years ago, he got popular the moment he appeared which why DC kept him in the first place.

And I wasn’t referring to anything in particular when I said "10 years", but thanks for trying to correct my "summation" despite the fact it was unneeded.

>>94566820
And this thread prove this how? Just because they said that Red Hood is popular means that they are the worst?

>>94566820
Do you literally have nothing better to post in this board besides saying "Jason fans are the worst!" like a broken record?

>>94566720
Is that more than Arby's and Sonic? I've always put RR about there

>>94566720
So if Tim is Red Robin, does that make Jason Burger King and Dick McDonalds? Damian can be Wendy's

>>94566885
I'm not disputing the fact that he was initially popular

When I say he "got popular" I mean the kind of popular that warrants a fully fledged movie. Being popular among comics fans isn't the same as being popular in the main stream.

As Animal Man fans can attest to, sadly

Also that "10 years isn't anything in particular" feels like a cop out, but I'm not going to push it because it seems the misunderstanding is resolved here and I'm not here for some flame war

>>94566979
Anonymous boards are a bitch, aren't they? You never know who you are talking to

>>94566989
Sonic - 3,557 stores
Arby's - 3,342 stores (fun fact, employs more people than the entire US coal industry)
Red Robin - 538 stores

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>>94556351
I miss Bart

>>94566879
>>94566873
Dick fans deserve it dude's always been the best. he's finally getting the recognition he deserves. Damian fans are insufferable but the little insufferable cunt himself is pretty enjoyable.

It just seems like Tim and Jason fans are always trying to convince everyone "their" robin is the best without acknowledging that it really isn't close to true.

In all honesty, Dick absolutely is the wonder boy of the group. Tims a useless nerd who'd probably shitpost on reddit (even though they love to make him mr super haxor like that anonymous hacker 4chan), jasons the disappointing son who sells weed but is kinda really good at it so the parents in a way respect his real world efficiency even if they dont approve, and damian is the little faggot who got an iphone when he was 7.

>>94562905
Wtf is wrong with you Timfags???

>>94567115
Oh shit. So Dick is Sonic, Jason is Arby's and Tim truly is Red Robin

>>94567083
Indeed, but some people style is so obvious to know. Like that guy.

>>94567142
>So Dick is Sonic
That's why he's blue

>>94567132
>Damifag's here

Alright everybody it's time to pack up.

>>94567132
not him, and tims a faggot but Carrie sucks dude. The only people who like her are the faggots who say Frank Miller sucks and that he normally has a problem with female characters. So they use CK as a reason to like the DK series.

>>94567118
>Dick fans deserve it dude's always been the best. he's finally getting the recognition he deserves
>It just seems like Tim and Jason fans are always trying to convince everyone "their" robin is the best without acknowledging that it really isn't close to true.
Oh irony (and we know that you are a Dick fan btw).

>>94567179
And Arbys is Red. How does this work so well?

>>94567230
more of a damian fan, love dick though. love dick. but more of a damian fan. but I love me some dick.

The funny thing is you think it's ironic because i said dick is the best. The difference is there's no convincing. He is.

If anything your post just proves how delusional you losers really are.

>>94558295
I thought the T was her roommate

>>94562797
Tim used to be the red one. Everyone keeps taking tims shit and then people say he has nothing going for him. Being a timfag is suffering

>>94567316
>The funny thing is you think it's ironic because i said dick is the best. The difference is there's no convincing. He is
The fact that you literally don't seem to realize the irony of your statement makes me hate myself for getting involved in this community.

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>>94565576
>Tim without Bart and Kon is not a Tim I want
So much this.

>>94567425
>Tim used to be the red one.
Only because he was Robin. He was no more red than Dick, Jason, or Carrie before him

>>94567483
But he has Red in his name

>>94567521
He took up the name "Red Robin" After Jason became Red Hood

>>94567470
I don't think you understand dude. You must actually be pretty young. Dick is Robin. The Robin.

I even said I like damian probably the best at the moment but Dick is the one and only. There isn't convincing.

There isn't irony because that's the default. it's like saying someone referring to Biggie as the goat rapper isn't ironic. You may not agree but that's the base/meme/normal opinion people have.

Again, I'm not fucking around saying it anymore this time than before, the fact that you think it's an ironic statement shows just how delusional you are. And it's why I say Jason fans are particularly the worst.

Jason is a replacement, 2nd place at best. Tim doesn't exist on any significant level. If I'm being honest neither does damian.

When it comes to the batfam the zeitgeist matters. And Dick is Robin.

>>94567577
..........someone help this guy.

>>94567617
>over-emphasized ellipsis.

I didn't think you'd out yourself as a high schooler. I suppose you'll realize Dick is Robin when you grow the fuck up.

>>94567176
By who?

Do you mean the guy I replied to or the guy s/he replied to

>>94567617
>>94567639
Word of advice, Damifag. When you try to pretend to be 2 different people, don't post exactly 1 minute apart

>>94567639
>>94567617

>deletes the post because he looked retarded.
>keeps the over-emphasized ellipsis

jesus christ. Jason fans really are pathetic high schoolers.

>>94567176
>>94566979
>being this autistic
running out of tinfoil? I'm headed to the store I'll pick you up a roll.

>>94567678
>>94567741
Anon, please put some effort so you wouldn't look so bad because it seriously started to look something pathetic.

>>94567811
*so

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>>94556213
>Whatever happened to Tim Drake
He never graduate from being a Robin.

>>94567021
>Damian can be Wendy's
He has the bantz for it.

>>94556213
They didn't need a shoe filler anymore. Tim only exists cause they needed a Robin and Dick was too important and Jason too dead to fill the role. They should have stopped having Robins when Jason died and just made a Batman/Nightwing team up book.

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>>94558364
>Rhato storytime
>Civil and comfy robin discussion after storytime ended
>Thread reach bump limit without problem

>This thread
>

>>94567577
Damifag please stop this, go to bed, you seem tired

>>94567577
You a good anon. You keep up the good work

>>94567577
You heard him lads. The first one is always the best.

Wally fans, Barry fans, Hal fans, Dick fans who think that he is better Batman than Bruce and every legacy character fans get btfo because this dude's opinions are facts apparently.

>>94567945
This entire post just proves that you haven't read any comics older than the 2000s.

>>94567946
It was mostly Jasonfags and Dickfags discussing the annual back there
Adding Damian and Tim into the mix always brings more drama because of Damifag shitposting and the terrible way DC have dealt with Tim since nu52

>>94568000
There's a discussion about Tim on that thread though. Like how he never graduate from being a Robin.

>>94562471
So Tim really doesn't have any place is there?

>>94568040
Didn't they change it so he took the title Red Robin immediately so as not to basically be taking the Robin name from Jason when he was still dead?
Not entirely sure its right to take a title away from someone because they died. Not that there's anything official about it, just thinking how one would work out the mentality around it all.

>>94559275
Red Robin was just pure Tim wank.

>>94567980
Nothing I said had to do with him being the first. Simply the greatest. If you think biggie was the first rapper you're only furthering the proof that you're in high school. which explains why you think it's fucking debatable that Dick is Robin.

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>>94566820
>>94567118
>Jason fans are always trying to convince everyone "their" robin is the best
>Ctrl+f "Jason is the best robin"
>results 0
It started with that anon who said Red Hood always get a sloppy seconds, not about being best robin.
Why do you hate Jason so much? Out of all iteration, not once I see him actually win something. Even in Rebirth the current one, the one who finished the fight are never him, he's just there as a punching bag.

>>94568000
So Dick and Jason are comfy robins. They should be friends then

>>94567021
Tim can be Rally's.Do people remember Rallys? Does Rallys even exist anymore?

>>94568392
Is this bait? Or do you literally have no self awareness?

>>94568492
I hope the annual does that. Just a thread of comfy Dick and Jason

>>94568514
Speaking of obscure do people still have Captain d's?

>>94568555
Look I don't give a fuck if you don't think Wayne Gretzky isn't the best hockey player of all time. he is. I don't fucking care if you don't think michael jordan isn't the best basketball player of all time. he is. I don't give a fuck if you don't think george carlin was the greatest comedian of all time. he is. I don't give a fuck if you don't think Dick is the greatest robin of all fucking time. He is.

And damian is second.

>>94568514
I've passed by a few before.

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So I think this is a proof that Dickfag is the worst fag and always ruins the thread, right?

>>94568705
That's Tim then . Forgettable but there

>>94568486
None of his fans said that he was, but you guys are entitled to your opinions if you think that he is. Every Robin fan is free to think of their favorite as the best because it's matter of opinion and no one is more right or wrong than the other.

>>94568576
That would be nice

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>>94568728
you're pathetic, jasonfag

>>94568728
yeah pretty much.

>>94567558
He had the all red costume for a good long time

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>>94568840
Ain't even a jasonfag, just reading the thread and sees dickfag being a cancer as usual.

>>94568853
That was for Superboy right? Best Robin suit imo

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>>94568728
>>94568905
>someone actually saved my edits

>>94568905
Lol where is this face from?

>>94568688
If you think Dick is the best and Damian is the second best, then it's ok because it's YOUR OPINION. Not a fact you are entitled brat with no self awareness on how ironic your posts are.

>>94568905
so far ITT:
I'm Dickfag and Damifag.

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>>94568957
Nightwing latest issue.
I'm actually also a dickfag, it's just this face got a lot of potential.

>>94568688
I really hope that you are trolling.

>>94568948
A proper reaction to several things: Dickbabs, N52 Teen Titans and RHaTO, SM/Ww, Batgod, BvS, Thor 2.

>>94569032
Nightwing in general too.

>>94569032
>>94569056
Don't forget rebirth titans and teen titans.

>>94569056

But Nightwing Rebirth is fine?
>>94569085

Those deserve to be there too. The last issue of Titans was straight garbage. I should make a tread in that.

>>94569085
What's wrong with rebirth TT? it got based Black Manta, even fucking Damian being based making wally and bally btfo.

>>94569032
You forgot Marvel Comics.

>>94556213
He's coming back next month on 'Tec. Does literally no one in this thread actually read comics?

>>94569135
Bally actually got an upgrade to a better book. Teen Titans is better than Titans but not by much

>>94569151
I dunno have you read the thread?
We already knows.

>>94564444
This is the biggest crime.

Tim has outgrown the Robin persona.

DC should just move forward and give him a new identity to play around with like a noir detective-type guy since we haven't gotten the old Vic Sage back yet.

>>94569151
Why is everyone assuming he is coming back?
Reading the solicitation text, it sounds like they could possibly just erase him from continuity.

>>94569170
Deathstroke is overrated. It pretends to be deep and is not actually better than Titans or even Teen Titans.

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>>94569262
How can someone's taste be this bad?

>>94568756
Each Robin has a specialty of sorts, Dick is the acrobatic not-super superhero.
Jason is the soldier.
Tim is the detective.
Damian is the asshole.

>>94569254
Don't be retarded.

>>94569262
It doesn't pretend to be anything, sorry if you're such a brainlet that Deathstroke written by a fucking part time bus driver intimidates you.

>>94569010
>>94568968

I really hope you don't debate people when they say Carlin is the greatest comedian of all time.

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>>94569293
Based on the current run
Dick is a dick
Jason is a dad
Tim is who?
Damian is a brat

>>94569293
jasonfag, you would say such rubbish

>>94569305
Would you be surprised if they did that?
Don't get me wrong, I like Tim, but it certainly feels like a possibility.

>>94569282
>>94569305
Explain to me what's so good about it? The only conflict is Slade being a dick over and over. The support cast is boring as hell. Titans is full of friends with realistic conflict. It could be better with more Wally, less Dick, and Donna being leader but it's fine other than that.

Teen Titans has an interesting cast that can grow together. Damian is interesting and Aqulads stuff is fun so far

>>94569323
Dick is also a dad to that brat Damian. Seriously though Damian should be a Nightwing character not a titan.

>>94569313
If they debate like you, then I hope that I don't because I don't like hypocrites.

>>94569354
They'd only do that to build up a big return in a big event, but Doomsday Clock is going to be pretty much stand alone, and the Mr Oz metastory is getting solved in Action Comics at the same time they're doing Tim. The Rebirth editorial line is about shoving all the old DC pieces back and appeasing old time fans. Not to mention Tynion is a huge Drakehead and mid 00s bloated BatFamily mark.

>>94569360
I like the three books, if you don't like any of them it's fine. You could dislike Priest's patchwork writing style, the character, the overral tone of the book, whatever, but calling it pretentious makes you look Juggalo stupid.

>>94569360
Damian isn't interesting he's just obnoxious. And the last issue just cements that the book would be better without him.

>>94558810
seriously, Tim was written terribly in Johns' Teen Titans too
he's basically been a terrible character since PAD and Dixon stopped writing him
Lobdell just continued the tradition

>>94556213
>He was by far the best Robin
Nice bait thread

>>94569410
jesus christ you're fucking retarded man. it baffles me i've been call un-self-aware and retarded while people sit here refuting that Dick is the best robin without even telling me which one they think is better and acting as if I'm off base in thinking you're jason fags who are responding to me.

>>94569313
Calling George Carlin the GOAT is such a reddit surface level shit opinion, if you want brodude "brave" critical humor, at least have the decency to pick Lenny Bruce who was relevant for his time. Most working class stand ups would give it to Pryor or Rickles, real niggas have Wright or Foxx.

>>94569639
Oh I get it you're a hopeless black faggot.

You priest? I'm guessing you're the faggot hating damian and defending deathstroke from another anon.

>>94569713
I'm >>94569484 and >>94569305 , white, Damian is best Robin and you're stupid as hell.

>>94556213

Tim is boring.
He's just boring.
He's bland.

>>94569713
>Getting mad someone doesn't like you're shit character and likes a well written one
why are damianfags babies?

>>94569810
I'm the person saying Dick is the best robin and people telling me that not only is that untrue but that Carlin isn't the best comedian and, maybe even gretzky isn't the greatest hockey player of all time as well.

And I'm being called retarded.

Which is likely partially true after this thread.

What I think should happen with Tim Drake:

>Argument with Damien, ending with Damien saying that he's dead weight and useless, and has been replaced
>Hits Tim quite hard, he has a couple of issues where he's quite violent and aggressive
>Eventually calms down and agrees with Damien in his mind
>Quits the Batfam, joins GCPD
>Has a year or two of working as a beat cop, quickly promoted to detective due to his intellect, strength, and athletic skill giving him an edge over his colleagues, really impresses Gordon.
>Becomes Batman's contact on the inside of GCPD, as well as a partner to Gordon or some other cop.

Would solve the issue of there basically being 2 Robins, as everyone would have their own niche and there would be no overlap. Could have some cool character moments of him growing and finding his own place.

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>it's a MUH SIDEKICK IS THE BEST episode

Just a reminder that Batman had 3 literal children and his own son as sidekicks in his own war on crime and one of them has an identity crisis between his own persona and Batman's, one died and the man who did it ended up as Iran's ambassador, one got forgotten about and one is about as messed up in the head as he is due to his abusive grandfather and crazy mother.

Batman is almost as bad as the criminals he beats half to death for messing up children.

>>94569955
Three Robins died (Jason, Steph, Damien)

Nightwing got raped

Batgirl got sexually assaulted and crippled

The more you think about it, the more disturbing it is

>>94570004
for the intent of your point, without being disingenuous, Tim is "dead" too. Batman doesn't know he isn't yet but he's still going on.

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>>94570004
>Batgirl got sexually assaulted and crippled
>sexually assaulted

Wew, Joker went all out to break Gordon didn't he?

Then in the movie, they make her sleep with Batman for no reason.

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>>94569385
You sure, didn't Dick also being a dick to Damian during that?
Horrible dad.
chaptca

>>94556213
Can someone edit him saying "Persona!"

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>Red Robin

every time he calls himself that I think he works for the fast food place

>>94567577
Dick doesn't want to be Robin or Batman

He was never Robin at all after he learned to stop sticking with Bruce

>>94569262
>human mercenary who just uses guns and a sword
>somehow take down meta heroes and meta groups with ease

wankstroke sucks

>>94571236
Remember when he mastered speedforce the moment he "stole" Bally's power?

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>>94571432
>able to stab the fucking Flash because "he's quicker where it counts"

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>>94571455
>can wrestle a green lantern for no reason
>lantern force field somehow not effective

>>94571455
I can never not laugh at that.
Fuck he's too OP.

>>94560497
>>94560242

I wanted one of the Robins too work for the CIA or FBI. Mainly FBI since they're dealing with crimes at a federal level. They're the ones that would be mostly dealing with the big super villains anyways, not local PD.

>>94571464
>lantern force field somehow not effective

Read comics. The GL force field NEVER works against even the most mundane shit. Read classic GL for examples of Hal being KO'd by an airplane seat.

>>94571909
How do they take energy blasts and punches from beings as strong as Superman then?

Human GLs should be snapping their spines left and right

>>94571909
No that's retarded. this book was bad and nonsensical. It's as bad as batgod, I haven't seen priest do this yet though.

>>94562797
They can give him orange or whatever, it doesn't have to be the most used color in the costume, like for Nightwing, he doesn't have a blue costume, just some details

>>94565185
Yeah people keeps saying he is going to build a rip-off of the JL, but these are all aditorial stuff, even the "Dark Trinity" thing, it doesn't have anything to do with the characters in it, the Outlaws are a different thing, even if their designs are indeed rip-offs, but it would be like saying the Titans are JL's rip-offs too.

>>94565218
I like the fact that the Robin identity is like an embrional stage for the hero who the kid will become. Tim needs to move, and Damian will have to do the same in the future

>>94561581
Also the Robin with the wings actually

>>94568486
I used to think that i don't have preferences but after many robin wars threads, i'm starting to think that Jason is my favorite. I don't think it's because of the shit they throw at him, 'cause they throw more at Damian and it changes nothing for me.
You know, maybe it's just because he is less of a fucking bitch than the others.

>>94568492
They had a comfy moment some in Nightwing's book, some issues ago

>>94569385
Yeah they work well together, also for some reason Batman isnt paired with a Robin now, makes me wonder why in the world they created Duke

>>94556213
So was ever explained why his last costume was basically Dr Mid-Nite's?

>>94572598
Because he stole it from KC Dick.

Seriously, even after getting promoted to Red Robin Tim had NOTHING original

>>94571940
Have you never read a GL book in your fucking life? They DO snap spines left and right. The GL bodycount in every event is ridiculous.

>>94572061
I dunno, anything that breaks up the Kyle and Wally wank is fine by me. Yeah it's dumb but it's not new for Deathstroke.

>>94561618
>still named Red Robin

But Red Robin is a aslo a thing that get passed between Batman's sons, Dick and Jason had it before Tim

Tim's DEAD : he's like a teen clone of Batman, which doesn't seem all that interesting since we already have a Batman.

Batman and Robin always worked best because of the opposite nature of their character. Richard was the light to Bruce's moody Batman as Damian provided the dark to Richard's fun Batman. Two gloomy Dynamic Duo isn't all that dynamic, it's gloomy and boring

>>94572645
Isn't it time for him to outshine this. Red Robin is still too Robin-like and Tim should have a new own hero identity.
As long as he keeps being Red Robin, his character is generally seen as being the most boring of Batmans sons.

>>94556213
shatup timfag Damian is the only true Robin besides Dick

>>94572819
I'm not saying that he shouldn't change, i hate the Red Robin name. I was just saying that the Robins before him had it too, so it's like a tradition, like the using old names (Nightwing, Red Hood), i wonder if they'll keep the pattern and Tim will get the name of another character/myth of the DCU

>>94572916
>I wonder if they'll keep the pattern and Tim will get the name of another character/myth of the DCU
Well that on the other hand is a really nice Idea because his "older brothers" did that, too.
Dick
>Nightwing, masked vigilante/hero in Krypton
Jason
>The Red Hood, a masked criminal or rather a crime myth

To be honest, I really liked his pre-52 Doctor Mid-Nite looking outfit.. they just had to change the colour pattern and it would habe been fine.

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>>94573020
Something like this

>>94572916
>>94573020
Who do you think that will match Tim?

>He was by far the best Robin especially over that little shit called Damian.

Bitch when?

>>94556213
>GOTTA SHOOT TO KILL, AND SHOOT TO SKILL

>>94573068
>Tim gets shot in the face and loses about 80% of his eyesight.
>Becomes next Doctor Mid-Nite
Still the same problem that he just takes another established Hero's name. But no one else comes to my mind.

>>94573142
call him Firebird

>>94573068
Wingman comes to my mind, but it's a lame name and an even lamer costume, and also it already was a one-shot identity for Jason

>>94573142

I can be ok with this

>>94573241

Firebird is like the god of sun in Krypton, if anything it must be a kryptonian to take this mantle again, or at least someone related to krypton, like Kon

>>94573051
He looks like a Hawk & Dove reject

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>>94573374
Then more red

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>>94573394
Or more black?

>>94573374
Must say, Hawk would make a good name

>>94573616
Or Condor even, you can't say DC don't have no longer used good nickname to put on Tim

They should rename Osprey or Raptor and relocate him in Birds of Prey as the token male.

>>94571464
They explained in the comics, GL constructs aren't effective if the enemy is able to match them in willpower.
They did the same thing in REBELS with Lobo and in Johns GL run with ringless Sinestro.

I know Identity Crisis isn't great, but people need to stop acting like every line from it is wrong.

>>94565921
with their weapons laid like this i kinda want to see 4 robins cartoon/comic in the vein of the ninja turtles

>>94573730
>Another TMNT/Batman crossover
>This time Splinter and Batman are taken prisoner by badguy
>Whole comic is team up of the Dick/Jason/Tim/Damian and the turtles
The question is,
If they split up,would you want them teamed up with their counterpart (Tim with Donny, Leo with Dick, etc.) Or do you put them with their opposites and have Leo with Damian being like "and I thought Raph had attitude".

>>94567132
You have nothing to say except "wtf what's wrong with you" because you've been so completely btfo with your fucking retarded "argument".

Tim hating is an empty meme for tryhards and edgelords. It is as close to announcing that you don't actually read comics and got all your shit opinions from cartoons as we have on this board.

>>94564564
Annoying child prodigy characters are literally a dime a gross- it's hard to find a story out there without this cancer, and now you have one with the added value of a school shooter's morals and constant empty threats. Damien's only really interesting hook was as a juxtaposition for Dickbats, but the batfags would never allow that gross improvement in status quo to stick, so here we are with a spoiled shit past his use by date.

>>94572862
>>94573108
Holy shit, damianfags are subhuman, subliterate retards

>>94574677
>doesn't read supersons

I know snobs like you don't like fun, cutesy things but damian has never been as good since he was with Dick. I'm also guessing you never read son of batman.