Is Steven Universe pretentious?

>>94540836
maybe so

it's too stupid to be pretentious

>>94540836
yep

>>94540906
came to post this

>>94540898

I don't know

>>94540836
I don't think the show is. I just think its fans are.

>>94540927
Bingo bongo

>>94540836
Yes. It panders to the progressive demographic and acts like it's brave for doing so. Making a pro-LGBT show in an extremely conservative area would be brave. California? Not so much.

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>>94540836
>Y-you both fused together?
>Members of different quarts?
>Both are female
>THIS IS UNHEARD OF

It can be pretty pretentious, yeah. Still think it's an okay show. The writing is really spread apart an that makes it convoluted, this show really doesn't benefit from an over arching plot just due to how bad the writing team is, was much better when it was more episodic.

>>94540836
Its messages can be pretty hamfisted at times

>>94540836
It has songs which never fit what's going on.

>>94540953
I don't wanna leave the Congo.
Oh no no no no no.

It's a children's cartoon. Why do you adults spend so much time stressing over it?

>>94540920
Can you repeat the question?

YES M8

>>94540836
Why is it pretentious?

>>94541054
Yeah it was better when they went to different gem locals each episode and there was more mystery about where they came from. I do like the concept of the gem aliens though. I just don't think they've been handled very well.

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>>94541151
bingo bango bungle.
I'm so happy in the jungle I refuse to go.

>>94541228
YOUR NOT THE BOSS OF ME NOW!!

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>>94540836

>>94540836
Pretty bad. Still better than LH and Star VS by a long shot though.

>>94540836
Yes, and a waste of potential.

>>94543486
>Crying and Lesbians: the Show
>better than Biblical References and the End of The World: the Show
M8, i m laffin

>>94540836
It's fandom is.

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>>94544844
this

>>94545786
Now that's autism!

In the sense that its pretending to be good, yes.

>>94540906
yeah more like obnoxious

Especially considering Steven was supposed to be a "boy's can have defensive/supportive powers and still be innately masculine too" type deal but then they literally made him an effeminate perma-child who acts 8 at 14. I mean I guess that just proves it.

>>94540906
The fanbase is. The show is just out to tell a fun story, the fanbase is the one that ascribes the value to it.

>>94540836
No, Adventure Time is

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Yes
No
I don't know
Can you repeat the question?

>>94547370
Only specific episodes. Not the series as a whole.

>>94547370
/thread

>>94547431
Yes
No
Yes (Sarcastic)
More caps

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>>94540836

>>94547431
oh hey it the Malcolm in the Middle anime

>>94540836
Generally, no. It has it's moments like with Beach City Drift, but this anon >>94540906 has the best answer.

>>94540836
Nope. it's legitimately a good show

>>94548031
God I love her

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>>94545786

>Star vs and the bible.

>>94540927
This!

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>>94548793
nice thumbnail faggot

>>94549244
But anon you're are my waifu

>>94543486
>better than TLH
>gets far worse ratings
Try again, Drumpftard.

>>94540836
yes

>>94549278
But isn't SU progressive? Or has TLH, with it's sad pedophile neckbeard audience, surpassed it in that regard?

>>94540836
If anything it's not pretentious enough. If the show had more nuance and depth to it then maybe it wouldn't be such a poorly written, amateur-ish, unsubtle mess.

>>94549710
Yep. There's no depth to it. All the characters are either innocent angels fighting the authority or big mean dumb evil poopy heads. Not counting the WHACKY background characters though.

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it's mostly the critics that act more high and mighty than they have any right to.

Here's an episode re-animated by a collaboration of 164 animators around the world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDuLP-ImfgM

The critics can never do something even close to this, yet they act like they're better than people like these fans who have drive, passion, skill, talent, and the self discipline to see something like this through.

Pic related.

>>94540836
What's it's pretense?

>>94540906
You just hit the nail, it's so meh it's average for the most part, but when it tries hard it is just so in your face I can only compare it to a kid who is very proud of his finger painting.

It's just so mediocre you can't help but to humor it. If anything the pretentiousness comes from the so called art teacher that is the fandom.

I mean seriously this cartoon can go 26 episodes of nothing happening only to make an episode of character development happening in a musical while everyone cries only to flanderize the characters 8 episodes later and resume the cycle of 20 episodes of nothingness.

Can you even call the feeling of boredom to be pretentious? If the answer is yes I guess this could be pretentious.

>>94549813
That's pretty impressive. I still don't like the show, and I especially don't like the fans, but I won't let it be said that some of them aren't dedicated.

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>>94541198
Where the actual fuck do you think you are right now?

>>94540836
Not really. It's something else, maybe what this anon says here >>94540906.

It's too lighthearted and it rarely ever attempts to be really serious. And even when they try to make it serious, like in that Sardonyx arc, it kinda works out fine.

>>94544844
>>94545786
>this autism
>mixing this filth with religion
You're all going to hell. Better find a way to redeem yourselves soon.

>>94540836
No, it's obnoxious.

>>94540836
more than likely
the art style, writing, and animation are all more suitable for a hipster slice of life shit, but the fact that they try to make it this big space epic about two worlds colliding proves how hard they fall on their ass

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>>94548793
Believe it.

>>94547431
nothing personal kid

>>94540836
Yes.

>>94540836
No just fat

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>>94540906

Pretty much this. It's a dumb show that idiots think is smart/meaningful/deep despite being as shallow as a puddle. Similar to Rick and Morty.

Whether or not that's more, less, or as obnoxious as a show that's actually pretentious, that's personal preference.

>>94540836
Its actually obnoxiously down to Earth

>>94541074
U K U L E L E
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>>94540836
Apologize

>>94540836
No. If anything, it's not serious enough. And when it is serious, it's always at the wrong points so it feels tonally off.

>>94540836
Its what you make it.

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>>94551925
I love how he still wears the potato chip bag in the paintings.
Pic unrelated

>>94540836
Steven Universe is far from ostentatious. Why do people throw around the word pretentious so much?

It's shitty, obnoxious, badly written and animated. Not pretentious.

>>94540906
>>94540927
thread should've ended after these posts

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>>94540836

In my opinion the message of 'everyone is a good person and hurting deep down' and that the world and humanity is such a good thing is kinda annoying. I get it's supposed to be optimistic and in line with what Steven thinks, but the way this show portrays it it comes across as really naive even compared to other kid shows with similar messages. The world really doesn't work like that.

Idk it just really bothers me in this particular show for some reason. Any one else bothered by it?

>>94548031
>>94553286
their kids are going to be insanely good looking

>>94554158
Just like Steven.

>>94547206
>The show is just out to tell a fun story
It really isn't

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>>94554106
Don't know why you would.
The show constantly kicks Steven down for his believes.
He wants to help everyone but sometimes it bites him in his ass.
Him being nice has got him into a lot of shit many times.
trying to be nice to Peridot and telling her about how Earth is full of life lead to many of his friends being captured.
And When he tried to heal Eyeball and helped her out she tried to murder him.

The show says that Pacifism is a good but also shows its downsides and how hard pacifism is to achieve.
It one of the main things I love about the show.
Plus I think its awesome to finally have a show that's all "Fuck yeah humanity."
Theirs nothing I hate more then the bullshit message that all humans are bad.
One of the main reasons I fucking hate TWD.

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I think it's a show that's enamoured with the idea of being something really emotional that kids will remember many years later. Key point being it likes the IDEA of it, but it doesn't seem to actually go through the effort of building up to being emotional, or having enough variety to make those emotional scenes stand out. It really desperately wants to be those scenes on youtube of famous sad moments in movies that everyone creams themselves over how deep and moving they are.

I think if instead of a bunch of sad notes, they picked a couple of the bigger more substantial ones, and eliminated the rest to give more breathing room for other things people would find interesting as well as the ability to develop those other sad points much further, it would be an overall more balanced show.

As it is it is pretentious, in the sense that it runs on the pretense of having being built on something large enough for the audience to feel sad about, when it hasnt even come close to that point. It's like a wannabe webcartoonist who wants to do drama in their wacky joke comic but instead of building up to it they go right for LOSS.

>>94541054
That's not the show being pretentious, that's just the show having depth. You could argue about the exact amount of depth, but it doesn't pretend to have more than it actually does.

>>94540836
Do people really enjoy "muh feels" every episode?
I got tired after S2 , the first two seasons were really good , sadly S3 and S4 are some of the worst garbage i watched on tv.

>>94551514
The Sardonyx arc was fucking awful though. It tried to be serious, but it falls flat on it's face because it couldn't figure out how to resolve itself. The ending was the biggest asspull I have seen in recent years.

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>>94548031
JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>94557287
The resolution wasn't asspull desu

>>94554348
Then what is it then?

>>94546006
How?

>>94540836
nope

>>94549766
>the characters are either innocent angels fighting the authority or big mean dumb evil poopy heads.
Have you actually seen the show?

>>94555722
I disagree, those aren't mutually exclusive things sempai.

Every plot point is handled so poorly, and the biases and viewpoints of the writers are so utterly hamfisted into the show, it comes off as preachy, and annoying.

>>94554475
But steven never fucking learns and his methods works way more than they should in the show.

>>94557656
>his methods works way more than they should in the show.

His methods haven't worked since The Cluster. Everybody he's tried to befriend has tried to take his life.

>>94557656
I don't recall of any specific points where "Steven's methods" worked when they logically wouldn't. Do you have a particular point in mind?

>>94557643
>the biases and viewpoints of the writers are so utterly hamfisted into the show, it comes off as preachy, and annoying.
I thought Uncle Andy was handled well for a show with liberal bias.

>>94557699
Well fairly recently, they managed sway topaz by him and lars crying about shit. It didn't get them back home but it's still dumb.

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>>94554475

>The show constantly kicks Steven down for his believes.

Most of the consequences are either so minor or are so delayed that it really doesn't matter. It took several seasons before Steven's speech to Peridot got his friends in trouble.The eyeball thing (and bismuth to an extent) just went away for a while. Sure Steven was spooked/had 'emotional baggage' for an episode or two after that but that sorta dissipated with nothing to it. Every other pacifistic romp he's had really didn't bite him in the ass, in fact thanks to deus ex machinas he often gets out of situations that should punish him for his pacifism more often than not.

>Plus I think its awesome to finally have a show that's all "Fuck yeah humanity."
Theirs nothing I hate more then the bullshit message that all humans are bad.
One of the main reasons I fucking hate TWD.

The opposite is arguable true with this show by painting humanity as better than it is. I like balance in my shows/what i watch and read. Having humans be portrayed as amazingly awesome or extremely evil and bad pisses me off because it overgeneralizes an entire species and negates any and all chances for shades of grey.

>But there are human characters in the show that do bad things and bad human characters like Kevin and Marty

You mean characters that are gags or don't show up for the majority of the show that have very little impact on the plot other than in flashback sequences? yeah…that's not really a good case for balance.

and also

>to finally have a show

Yeah, no. There are quite a few shows that go 'Fuck yeah humanity'. Even today.

>>94549813
I've always liked these reanimate projects. I always feel sorry for the poor schmuck who has to string every piece together though

>>94557824
>The opposite is arguable true with this show by painting humanity as better than it is.
What'cha got against humanity?

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>>94540836
Yes.
>Concrete from the SU Artbook has been accused of racial stereotyping. Despite this, plenty of fans like her design. Still, many people were upset, prompting Rebecca Sugar to give an apology. Some people accept the apology. Others think her design is incredibly racist and accuse anyone who likes her design or defends the Crewniverse as also being racist, and refuse to accept the apology until the person who designed Concrete is fired. Yet others point out that Concrete as shown in the SU Artbook is nothing but a character concept and claim anyone who would call Rebecca Sugar "racist" after creating a show that promotes acceptance and diversity is no more than seeing racism where it doesn't exist.

>>94557824
>Yeah, no. There are quite a few shows that go 'Fuck yeah humanity'. Even today.
Such as?

>>94557976
>Concrete has lent credence to one half of another broken base, namely fans who were already pointing out problems the show has had in the past in terms of its nonwhite-coded characters: Sugilite being the only fusion among the main three to be violent and out of control, borrowing from Hindu imagery and mythology and culture for characters who are not Hindu or are not coded that way, the whole Sardonyx arc and how it treated Garnet, the Human Zoo (the maintaining of which was once a disgusting real practice that the Crewniverse did not seem to be aware of) and the treatment of Bismuth compared to the treatment of Lapis and Peridot. The concept art of Amethyst in a costume labeled as a 'chola' bodysuit has also rubbed some people the wrong way.

>>94540836
Its fans are.

>>94540836
the show? no, I wouldn't say that at all. The phase in the fandom post-jailbreak and the click-bait articles praising the show for its diversity/progressiveness in a kid's show. Yes, that was pretty annoying to bear through.

>>94549813
That video was blocked in my country on copyright grounds, but if the whole thing looks as bad as that thumbnail does, fuck it.

Steven Universe is objectively bad. It's badly-written badly-drawn tumblr toonboom trash and if its fans could argue against that, they'd talk to people that hate it and debate them, instead of circlejerking and "Fuck da haters"ing like a bunch of Katy Perry fangirls. Their fanbase wouldn't be seen as the most toxic and cancerous fandom on the planet by everyone outside of the hugbox.

It's a bad show. Its only fans are people too stupid to see that. Those idiot fans don't want to admit they've been duped into watching over 100 episodes of atonal garbage, so they lash out at anyone with standards they and their show can't reach. It is, after all, what SJW policy says to do: "Don't compete, complain!".

>>94544844
>>94545786

>StarVSfags acting like DCEUfags

I'm honestly not suprised

>>94557976
I have the book, actually. It is in a tiny corner of the page. Most people who threw a fit first saw it online in full screen and have no intention of ever purchasing the book. Making mountains out of ant hills, or something like that

>>94558113
>toonboom
It's traditionally animated.

>>94549813
That is a nice gesture of those animators and you can see the hard work involved.

I have to say though, that story feels so overdone and formulaic.

>>94558063
There's something amazing about this show being AMAZINGLY racist, then the writers going "It's ok for us to be anti-black and have gollywogs and niggers on a kid's show because we're diverse and therefore we can't be racist".

If the Left didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all.

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>>94558146
nigger please

>>94546643
We have captain America to fap to for that

>>94558181
>There's something amazing about this show being AMAZINGLY racist, then the writers going "It's ok for us to be anti-black and have gollywogs and niggers on a kid's show because we're diverse and therefore we can't be racist".
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>94558208
And that disproves my point how exactly?

>>94558136
It's just a joke. But it is funny that stuff from new episodes keeps reinforcing it.

>>94557824
What are you talking about, Steven still is affected by his unsuccessful
encounters with his enemies. This was seen even as far forward as him jumping to the prison ship, and later when he talks to his hologrpahic mom conjuring. It hasn't dissipated in the least, he's just not constantly hamfistedly angting over it, it's much more human the way it is now.

As for showing that humans are too good? Not at all, Marty, Onion, Kevin, Steven, Connie, Lars, most of these characters have good an bad aspects, we mostly see the good side but to say they're too positive when guys like Marty cut and run on thier own kid, or Lars and Kevin constantly being a dick. But you just kinda eschew what doesn't fit your argument.

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>>94557494
>Garnet and Pearl resolve their issues in a few minutes because Pearl started crying and making herself look like the victim
>Peridot literally escapes by slowly flying away
>despite the fact that they had various ways of stopping Peridot, including fusion which they just did a few minutes ago

No, it was a blatant fucking asspull.

>>94558208
Do people really think they're making a point by posting this gif?
It doesn't even use sources from the actual shows.

>>94558308
>Garnet and Pearl resolve their issues in a few minutes because Pearl started crying and making herself look like the victim
That would be ignoring the rest of Sardonyx week.

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Yes, the fans too.
>turned the smartest and most valuable character to the plot into a tiny retard
>the fans go "AWW SHE SMOL :33" because they don't know any better
>also turn the next best thing into a scene teen who molests the other one
man such a good way to stave off the plot until the beginning of the next season

>>94558396
>also turn the next best thing into a scene teen who molests the other one
t. Lapisfag

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>>94558306
>he's just not constantly hamfistedly angting over it, it's much more human the way it is now.

Bullshit, he literally doesn't think about it until it's extremely convenient. Even when he as the opportunity to actually take some action with little consequence he still doesn't fucking do anything. The Gems said they were willing to answer any questions about the past, yet he doesn't even take that opportunity. He literally forgot about the Rubies altogether to the point where the show itself called him out on it. The show only cares about the status quo, and it will make anyone as stupid as possible in order to achieve that.

>>94558342
>That would be ignoring the rest of Sardonyx week

How? They literally don't have any sort of conversation until that episode, everything else was just about the fallout.

>>94540836
a lot, but sometimes it's pretty good

>>94558472
>The show only cares about the status quo, and it will make anyone as stupid as possible in order to achieve that.
It really doesn't.

>>94558306
>most of these characters have good an bad aspects, we mostly see the good side but to say they're too positive when guys like Marty cut and run on thier own kid, or Lars and Kevin constantly being a dick. But you just kinda eschew what doesn't fit your argument.

What the actual grammar man.

>>94558396
>the fans go "AWW SHE SMOL :33" because they don't know any better
Fucking tumblrinas.
>>94558462
By "The next best thing", he means "The waterbender that could bend all water on the planet at will with a broken gem because fuck powerscaling" is the next best thing compared to the metalbending fantasy-scientist in a series where tech does whatever the plot and writers need it to do.

By the way, whose "Deep theory" was confirmed when that "Lars is Lion now" asspull came out of nowhere to save Steven because the "There's a resistance group on Homeworld itself" asspull couldn't save him?

>>94558931
>By the way, whose "Deep theory" was confirmed when that "Lars is Lion now" asspull came out of nowhere to save Steven because the "There's a resistance group on Homeworld itself" asspull couldn't save him?
Literally what?

>>94558584
>It really doesn't

Yes, it does. It only ever gives the illusion of change like a fucking Telltale game rather than actually changing the show in a substantial way.

Oh, Peridot and Lapis are finally part of the main cast now? Nope, let's just lock them away into a farm away from everywhere else once that pointless Cluster Arc is over, and when we actually do visit them they are actually insipid husks of their former selves.

Oh but wait, what that? You want more Jasper? Well we can't have that, now can we? Let's just sweep her under a rug various times and pretend she never existed!

But what about Homeworld you say? Oh don't worry about that, because they are actually the only known alien species in fiction dumber than fucking Irkens! They're so incompetent a two teenage boys can easily dupe them. They can't possibly be a threat, so Steven can play as long as he fucking wants to until the writers want a ratings boost.

It's a show that goes in fucking circles. It wants to move forward, but it's such chicken shit that any progress with anything is either reversed or just completely pointless.

>>94559036
>Oh but wait, what that? You want more Jasper? Well we can't have that, now can we? Let's just sweep her under a rug various times and pretend she never existed!

She's coming back you autist.

>>94558931
>"There's a resistance group on Homeworld itself"

There is literally no fucking way I can ever take Homeworld serious as a threat. I just can't. Time and time again they prove themselves to be utterly incompetent at even the simplest of tasks.

>"Hey, there are a bunch of off-colors roaming around free in the old kindergartens. Should we send a platoon of robonoids backed by competent handlers to sweep the area, clearing each section of tunnels in military formation? All the chambers are interconnected so it's impossible to not flush them out eventually."
>"Nah, just send like... three robonoids and have them wander around down there. It'll be fine."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHkd2QERNy8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkLr76r3iSI

How much do they get right and how much do they get wrong?

>>94559036
>>94559114
I think the Diamonds were competent at one point but after Pink's death, White's death and Blue's perpetual mourning they're holding on to what little scraps of dignity they have left.

>>94559036
>But what about Homeworld you say? Oh don't worry about that, because they are actually the only known alien species in fiction dumber than fucking Irkens! They're so incompetent a two teenage boys can easily dupe them. They can't possibly be a threat, so Steven can play as long as he fucking wants to until the writers want a ratings boost.
That has nothing to do with the status quo.

>>94540906

This.

>>94559283
>White's death

Nah, bro. She's being voiced by Christine Ebersole, so unless we get enough flashbacks to justify getting a second Broadway star on the payroll then White is alive.

>>94559324
>That has nothing to do with the status quo

It has every fucking thing to do with the status quo. It has always been built up that homeworld is supposed to be such a severe threat that the CG's are actually in hiding so that they would just forget about their existence. The thing is, they CAN'T have such a threat because otherwise it would dominate the show and eventually get rid of the original status quo. So, in order to keep the status quo they make Homeworld as stupid and inept as possible so that they can constantly loom this illusion of a threat over the audiences head, without being anywhere near a legitimate problem.

For all Homeworld knows, the Cluster Bomb is still ticking and well, despite their only soldiers sent to check on it have either disappeared or rebelled. And of the two hostages they captured, is still at Homeworld while the other straight up stole a high class ship.

did anyone ever scan that artbook?

>>94559081
>She's coming back you autist

Got a source to back that shit up, fucko? And even then, it's not like they aren't just going to get rid of her again even if it is true.

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>>94557743
Makes perfect sense.
Topaz just wants to be together and she hates her job and hates being told what to do.
So seeing two friends who despite being in big trouble still look out for each other.
Topaz wants to join them because she can finally be free to be the fusion she wants to be.

>>94559639
Yes.

>>94559642
>Got a source to back that shit up, fucko?
Read it and suck it.
http://www.newsweek.com/steven-universe-vinyl-sdcc-rebecca-sugar-638202