So Steven Universe is just the Western equivalent of Shinji, right?

Steven is closer to Gene Belcher than Shinji.

>>94534306
xD

>>94534306
>>94534319
I'd say it's closer to complete dog shit than any of them.

Nah Shinji is a realistic portrayal of a 14 year old being put into dangerous and life threatening situations which he has no control of. Steven has some of that going for him but he isn't realistic.

>>94534306
WE
ARE PILOTS OF NERV
AND WE okay i can't think of any other lyrics
but i know how it ends
it goes MARI
ASUKA
AND REI
AND SHINJI

>>94534306

No.

The thing about Shinji is that he acts like something like a reasonable person through most of the series. His personal issues aside it's fucking insane to expect someone like him to fight giant monsters and have that kind of pressure, and waifushit aside the girls he has to deal with are a drunk, an autist, and a bipolar that aren't exactly pleasant to be around. He degrades into being something less than that, but that's because like a lot of people he didn't really have what it takes when everything was against him in such a way.

Steven goes through way less shit with way more hand holding. He doesn't get abused and manipulated by every other person he meets. He doesn't get stabbed and shot and burned every time he fights. He doesn't have a literal council of crazy guys conspiring to fuck him over. His dad is outrageously supporting and his mom isn't a total bitch when stuck in a big rock.

>>94534433
>Steven goes through way less shit with way more hand holding
This, this is the big difference.

>>94534306
Shinji was a bitch but at least was a well written character. Steven is more entertaining to watch but his character is terribly unrealistic and his morality system doesnt make sense a lot of the time.

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>>94534433

>>94534433
wtf i love Shinji now

>>94534306
>Using the Rebuilds for the background

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>>94534511
Reminder that Eva is literally fake deep.

>>94535431
Sure,
If you think it's an anime about being a christian, which only an idiot would assume it is.
No offense,
idiot.

>>94534375
WE
ARE THE EVA CHILDREN
WE ALWAYS FUCK SHIT UP
AND IF YOU THINK WE CAN'T
YOU'RE PROBABLY CORRECT
THAT'S WHY THE PEOPLE OF THIS
WORLD SHOULDN'T BELIEVE IN
FAGGY ANGEL, BROKEN DOLL, DEAD MOM
AND SHINJAY

>>94535525
>t. fat Eva fanchild

>>94534511

I don't even LIKE Evangelion. It's a pretentious piece of shit and Anno should stop milking it.

But that's the thing, as bad as Evangelion is you can at least half justify some parts of it. Steven Universe is worse, because half it's run time is nothing but reference to Evangelion or something else in it's vein. The other half has to struggle to justify the first half.

>>94535431
Doesn't matter if the shows Christian symbolism is done purely for aesthetics. The show is still 8/10

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>>94535644
>I was proven wrong, now I'm mad on top of being an idiot
Sucks to be you

>>94535682
Dis

Yes.
Gumball is Keroro Gunsou.
Star vs. is Nyaruko or Urusei Yatsura.
OK KO is Dragon Ball.
Regular Show is Gintama.
Adventure Time is Naruto, modern AT being Shippuden.

That makes sense. Shinji is ultimately Genno's self insert as falls deeper into depression. And the show gets more fucked up as it happens

Steven Universe is an extension of Rebecca Sugar's soul and we get a lot of beautiful songs out of it. The worst produced from her soul's darkest night at its absolute bottom was Here Comes A Thought

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>>94536185
>beautiful songs

>>94536211
Well yeah, this ain't disney

>>94534433
Imagine if the two swapped places. How long would each of them last?

>>94536185
>Steven Universe is an extension of Rebecca Sugar's soul and we get a lot of beautiful songs out of it. The worst produced from her soul's darkest night at its absolute bottom was Here Comes A Thought

I like Steven Universe.
But this post makes me sick to my stomach.

>>94535997
Nah, Adventure Time is One Piece while SpongeBob is Naruto/Shipudden.

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>>94537096
That's not accurate. Spongebob used to be good.

>>94534306
>Steven
Lost his mother but has the gems and Greg, has plenty of friends and a girl that returns his affections
>Shinji
Lost his mother, was a abandoned by his father to either an aloof barely there teacher or relatives that tolerated him at best, had no friend until touji punched him in the fucking face for something that wasn't even his fault, is surrounded by women who either constantly send him mixed messages or suddenly keep him at arms leangth without explaining why

>>94535997
heres something that has been bothering me for a while
can anyone name one cartoon post 2000's that has not been inspired by a ghilbli or hayao miyazaki film, I mean its not wrong but its annoying to see only shout outs or call backs to these films all throughout the show

>>94537025
I'm just stating facts. There's plenty of cartoons that exist only for cash and plenty that don't

It's like feeling sick that Orel Morel writers cares about the stories he make

>>94537341
>I'm just stating facts.
Calling the songs, "beautiful" isn't factual even remotely.

>>94534433

If anything, Shinji is actually a brave motherfucker. Sure, he complains a lot, but thats because his life is full of insane bullshit.

When he got his arm broken and a spike driven into his eye, he got back in the robot.

When he got his hands burned and stabbed twice in the chest, he got back in the robot.

When he got set on fire and the pain was so intense his heart LITERALLY STOPPED from the shock, he considered maybe not getting back in the robot. And then he got back in the robot.

I would not have gotten back in that robot.

>>94537200
Naruto was good, then it got awful. Supposedly Boruto got good again but I don't know, I haven't watched it.

>>94534306
Not even close. Stop throwing memes around.
>>94534433
Good post.

>>94537300
I'm going to avoid the obvious suggestions like The Nutshack or Class of 3000 and posit the thought that Regular Show didn't, at least that I'm aware of.

>>94537405
This too. I think people are so hard on Shinji because the show constantly delves deep into his reaction, which is not being a hard-ass border-psycho hero protagonist. He's an actual human with the same underlying problems anyone would have given his life.

>>94534306
please keep all SU related content to its >>>/trash/ general, thanks

>>94535431
> "If we had known the show would get distributed outside of Japan we might have actually put some thought into any of it."

Shinji wishes he could have Steven's life

>>94537609
people don't seem to understand that EVA as a universe would not allow for him to act like a hot blooded shounen mecha pilot and let everything turn out ok

>>94537609
They're used to Gundam-style giant robots, where your health is either "completely fine" or "completely dead" with no middle ground due to the nature of the robots. EVA units are full of pain, and none of the people who complain about Shinji's bitching about the EVAs could handle going into one multiple times.

>>94537485
>Naruto was good
It absolutely never was.

>>94537381
Feel free to list better /co/ songs that you listened to often

>>94538175
I don't really listen to /co/ songs often, actually. More to the point, I do not have to list "better" songs to say that it's not factual that it's beautiful. Further. Beauty is incredibly subjective.

To that end, gushing about how the songs are an extension of her soul and then saying that's the exact same thing as someone caring about the media they create is intentionally disingenuous.

>>94534306
Steven isn't a consistent character, more than half the time his only purpose is to be a generic annoying kid. Time and time again he's written to act like a dumbass 5 year old even though he's 14.

>>94538120
t. Anime only cuck

>>94538383
Garbage doesn't get better just because it's still frame.

>>94538490
Sure thing cuck

>>94538120
Zabuza arc was legit good. Made it seem like we were going for a peacemaker kurogane thing where the plucky protagonist needs to preserve his faith in humanity in the face of war long enough to make a positive difference

>>94538310
how so?
I just fucking stated how Evangelion gets fucked up the more Genno's soul plunges into the darkest night. I don't know why you are only crying just the mention of Steven Universe's name alone in a topic about Steven universe

>>94538506
The ultimate cuckoldry is being a fan in any capacity of Naruto.

>>94538522
I was discussing Rebecca Sugar's songs, but, in this instance:
It's clear that Genno's mental state had an impact on Evangelion's story. However, calling it an extension of his soul would also be an exaggeration, I think.

>crying
No, anon, I actually told you I in no uncertain terms LIKE SU. But I don't think it's high art. I don't think it or its musical score is an extension of anyone's soul. I don't even think the music is bad. I just think you're weighting it more than it probably deserves.

>>94538563
Spoken like a true cuck

>>94538647
But I already told you I'm not a Naruto fan.

>>94538620
Of course art is an extension of people's souls. Some are just more shallow or plain shit than others. If you don't like then songs then whatever

Just because i say "soul" doesn't mean I'm saying they are masterpieces.

>>94537300
Gumball. It's more inspired by Doraemon if anything.

>>94538706
>Of course art is an extension of people's souls.
Strong disagree. Art does not need to have meaning to the artist to be art, and can sometimes have little meaning to them at all. Examples might be art drawn for billboards, advertisements and etc or artists of government propaganda which, while controversial, still qualifies as art.

>If you don't like then songs then whatever
I said I did. I just don't think it's an extension of the soul.

>>94535431
Literally cultural appropriation.

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>>94534306
No, he is a western equivalent of Spritle from Speed Racer.

>>94538791
Then I'll just explain why I mentioned Genno's depression and Here Comes A Thought in the first place

I love both series a lot and have looked up a lot of interviews for both of the creators

I did some snooping for Neon Evangelion way waaaay after I watched the series so I didn't know about his state of mind till recently. And knowing that fact and looking back on the /a/ show with this context, it makes sense why there's so much suffering. The unlovedNess, the anger, the mind rape, screaming at everybody, the jacking off to coma girl. And I appreciate that knowledge

Here Comes A Thought is something I first listened to in the San Diego convention. Sugar specifically said her confidence was low and feels shaky about a relationship she was in and the song was originally a suggested excersize to work out her feelings about her insecurities. Then it was incorporated to an episode later. At the time of this convention, the episode Itself has yet to be released. Sure she wasn't super depressed but that's how I made the parallels

The shows present themselves as vulnerable and it was a treat to experience thru it and had touched me in similar ways. Evangelion was, IN MY OPINION, a beautiful show

>>94535609

WE
ARE THE EVA KIDS
WE'LL ALWAYS KILL THE WORLD
AND IF YOU THINK WE CAN'T
JUST WAIT UNTIL REBUILD
THAT'S WHY THE PEOPLE OF THIS WORLD
SHOULD FEAR US
KAWORU, ASUKA, AND REI
...and Shinji!

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We all know Doremi is the Japanese equivalent to Steven Universe.
It's got deep as fuck messages, main plots, then damn filler, and most of all unlikable characters.

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>>94539598
How
Fucking
Dare you

>>94534433
This is actually the first time I've ever seen someone put time and effort into writing a comment on Shinji that doesn't shit on him and acknowledges what he goes through.

>>94534306
This art style is ugly.

Steven - coming to terms with the cosmic responsibility of his birthright leadership role through gradual exposure to the almost incomprehensible weight of it. has to deal with a degree of physical pain, is supported by a team of realistically flawed maternal figures. most of what he does the entire series is pointless, but all leads him to accepting and embracing an active leadership role.

Shinji - coming to terms with the cosmic responsibility of the sacrificial role chosen for him by a bunch of insane evil old men through a sudden, apocalyptic exposure to the full incomprehensible weight of it. has to deal with constant physical torture, is supported by a team of batshit insane cartoonishly flawed confused maternal figures / romantic interests. most of what he does the entire series is pointless, because in the end he never had any real say in anything.

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>>94541456
>realistically
>cartoonishly

I like everything but that, since people can be extremely varied in their personalities. Sometimes you do meet that one bitch who acts like she came from a Lifetime movie. Also I can finally post Eva shit and it'll be thread-relevant.

>>94534306
Well Steven universe is evangelion if it was made by a team of 8 year old girls

Comparing steven universe to evangelion is like comparing jojo to OK KO

>>94542033
Dammit now I want that.

>>94535431
Doesn't take away all the neat shit about individualism and how humans really struggle at interpersonal connections, especially when suffering from depression.

but man if the christianity stuff is fake I guess it all must be fake thanks tumblr

>>94542105

Agreed. Its not like Eva was really 'about' the Christian imagery anyway. Its just the creators admitting "Why does it look cool? Well, we took a bunch of things we thought looked cool and put them together."

And its great. Energy blasts that explode into giant glowing crosses is dumb, but fuck if I don't love it every time it happens.

>>94534306
They're both spineless faggots yeah.

>>94537609
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_career_of_Audie_Murphy

although some real life teens manage to go war with complaining

>>94543232

I'm actually surprised Audie Murphy could even walk given the weight of his massive balls.

>>94545019
kek

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>>94534306
Daily reminder that EVA is shit and Utena is way better.

>>94545354
fuck off Sugar

>>94545019
They rested on the ground, because he was so fucking short.

>>94545354
Man, I really need to finish Utena, I'm one or two episodes away from the last arc.

>>94545354
Rebuild had better have Shinji turn into a car

>>94537931
Yeah...he manned up in the rebuild 2.0 (which I personally liked, although Asuka's character development doesn't exist) and in 3.0, he payed the price for it.

>>94545354
Daily reminder that shounen vs shoujo is a stupid argument that never fucking goes anywhere.

>>94545472
>war hero
>muh manlet
/pol/ is really unable of any true respect despite its patriotic pretense

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>>94534433
>and his mom isn't a total bitch when stuck in a big rock.

>>94545555
2.0 raises some interesting questions tho
since shinji was almost able to start third impact just by being pissed that one time, would he be capable of like some gurren lagann level shit assuming he was like that all the time?

>>94545771
That's what I'm most interested in, too. He looked like he was becoming Simon, but didn't go far enough.

I wonder if 4.0 actually does come out, would seeing the actual Rei he saved being alive push him on the right course for a healthy mentality, and saving humanity?

>>94545956
i'd hope so but a happy ending would be too much for this series

although i havent seen 3.0 in a while, wasn't he kinda fucked up after kowaru's death?

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>>94534433
>>94545655

Yeah more like his mom got it stuck IN her big rock AM I RIGHT GUYS HONHONHON nice dubs btw you two

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>>94546185
>wasn't he kinda fucked up after kowaru's death?

Yup. Though that whole movie was "let's be a dick to Shinji and not tell him anything until it's too late"

>>94535431
I don't think anyone's ever said that the religious elements in Evangelion are the keypoints of the show. People like it because of the dysfunctional characters and Ultraman references.

>>94536185
Who the fuck is Genno.

>>94538073
I prefer pilots like chuck yeager

the kind of guy who tells you half his wing is on fire like he ordering a diet coke

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STEVEN! GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT!!!

>>94534433
>>94537405
>>94538073
I didn't enjoy Shinji as a character at all during my first watch through a year or so ago, but yall are making some great points. Now I want to rewatch with an adjusted perspective.

>>94545354
Muh lesbians

>>94547677
Rewatching Eva will open your eyes, I can understand that people don't like Shinji after watching the series, but knowing everything that happens until the end you realize that he had every right to bitch and complain, life never gave him a fucking break, every time it looked like things were going to get better the universe just shat all over him and destroyed any progress.

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>thanks to japs and their horrible taste we are stuck with pre-teen Rei and Asuka forever

>mfw no mid twenties Asuka

>>94547773
Utena is a story about adolescence, growing up, and how far you'll go to achieve your dreams.

Neon Genesis Evangelion is a story about adolescence, growing up, and how far you'll go to achieve somebody else's dreams.

>>94549048
>pre-teen
>breasts
Nigger u wot

>its now impossible to like any aspect of Evangelion without being called 2deep4u autist

>>94534306

No that's Doug.

https://youtu.be/_hbfANtWCso

>>94549098
I thought it was about challenging norms and breaking out of your shell of preconceptions and prejudice in regards to love
Just take a look at the enemies Utena have faced, who has the same goal of getting Anthy (since she's somehow the 'key' outta this world-egg)

blanket comparison with a popular subject. op just wants you's

go to archive of our own and say SU is basically the HP of our generation.

go to reddit SU is basically the GOT of our Generation.

Its clear on its face that they have literally nothing to do with each other beyond the fact that they have male leads and in fact are cartoons and in fact serialized stories.

I think he has more in common with Simon from Gurren Lagann

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>>94534433
>Japanese vs American childhood

>>94543232

The difference is Murphy is an exception to the rule. To extend the eva metaphor, Murphy is more like your Kouji Kabuto's or another "traditional" protagonist who already has the skills and the will. He went in of his own accord and did jumped at the chance.

Shinji is essentially a completely random individual on the street. He had no prep time. He had no lifelong dream to do this. He had regular ass hobbies and that's it.

That's the point. An exceptional person in that age range can do it, no problem. A regular person doesn't have a chance in hell.

>>94547918

Which is in all honesty my real complaint with the series. Evangelion goes out of it's way to shit on Shinji so often it loses all meaning. When the protagonist literally can not catch a break it loses all meaning.

>>94534357
If you make Shinji emotionally stunted and retarded it might work, but you will have to remove half of Shinji brain to even come close at emulating Steven.

>>94534433
>>94537405
Oh and keep in mind that Shinji and Steven are the same age. Steven makes Shinji look like fucking Simon from TTGL in terms of bravery.

>>94550013
Steven makes anyone look good by comparison.

Shinji was a bitch of the circumstances, Steven is just retarded and it's basically a log that never grew up like a kid that had interactions with other kids his age would, the all loving hero by virtue of it's own ignorance can be executed well but this show puts emotions on a pedestal to such extent Steven is pretty much never wrong and that only hinders the development of the character even further.

>>94549699
To achieve her dreams, Utena must necessarily destroy the dreams of her rivals, even the ones whom she considers friends. Even the ones who weren't her rivals to begin with.

Wakaba's fight still fucks me up to this day. Seazer was a goddamn genius.

>>94539598
No, we been through with this, Doremi is Japanese Fat Albert.

>>94546599
Anon meant Anno.

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>>94535431
The religious symbolism wasn't the deep part of Eva. That was all just world building. Christianity provided a vehicle for the sci-fi aspects and naming themes.

The depth of the series was in the characters, their interactions/reactions, the existential bullshit, etc.

People who only focus on the religious symbols are just outing themselves as shallow idiots.

Although the space horror and religious aspects were a lot more enjoyable than the angst and bleak human aspects. That shit was just exhausting to sit through.

>>94535609
Rei should be autistic doll that's all I'd change nice work my man.

>>94545354
Utena is fucking awful. It's twice as long as eva, repeats a shit ton of animation and the entire plot comes down to a girl who gets smacked a lot and a mary sue being lesbos.

>>94550464
>repeats a shit ton of animation
Every anime of the time reused cels to save money. Utena was unique because it took that trend and used it to reinforce the theme.

>the entire plot comes down to a girl who gets smacked a lot and a mary sue being lesbos
Oh. Never mind. I shouldn't have wasted my time explaining basic shit to a brainlet.

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>>94550464
Oh and rose vaginas and car dicks, congratulations I've saved you all 39 episodes.

>>94550476
So Utena walking up the same stairs and shit every episode is '2 DEEP 4 U' apparently. Have fun with your filler and bad voice acting nerd.

>>94550498
>bad voice acting
I don't watch dubs.

>>94550517
Both have shitty voice acting mate

Shinji is a 14 year old with obvious clinincal depression being put in a bad situation and forced to fight with his life to protect an entire city.

Steven is a 14 year old kid who has essentially been academically repressed and emotionally stunted by guardians with a not-quite-right understanding of humans, and a father who is okay with it, because it means nothing bad will happen to him.

>>94550531
Go fuck yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q_dyFE8IWQ

This was pure resentment and emotion.

>>94550555
Fixed.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4ynx69
Please speed up to 1.25 to get better speed.

>>94550571
8/10

I was irritated, but ya blew it by showing your hand so blatantly.

>>94550555
Oh nooooo not Utenaaa's frrieeennndddd we knew so much about heeerrrr. Shit's over dramatic and is your typical 'NO I WON'T LET YOU TEMME!!!' jap shit. When I first watched the anime

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>>94550588
I can 1up that.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4zazb6
Again, please speed up to 1.25 to get better speed.

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>>94550617
Half bait I don't like Utena at all but I also enjoy pissing off fans of it

>>94534433
Literally only watched the first episode of Eva, but from this, I'm seriously thinking about watching it.

>>94545555

What people fail to understand is that Shinji didn't 'man up' at the end of Rebuild 2. He stopped giving a shit and put the world in danger to save his waifu.

Aka: the EXACT SAME THING as Gendo, just more directly because he can pilot Eva himself.

From a thematic and narrative standpoint, Rei has always represented the wrong choice for Shinji.

>>94534306
Steven would've gotten in the fucking robot.

>>94545354
dropped Utena. it was good for being innovative when it first came out, but it doesn't stand the test of time. it feels like work to watch it, it's just bad.

>>94534433
Of course Steven would get a lot of hand-holding. You'd ever think media would let anyone portray lesbians in a negative light?

Even if realistically a large percentage of them are involved in spousal abuse?

>>94551777
That will come with time, once lesbian relationships in the media are no longer a ground breaking thing, and the next logical step to gain publicity is to add "nuance" to it.

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>>94551777
>>94551867
>The stupid show is pretending that lesbians are perfect!
That's an odd complaint. It's the kind of thing that someone would say if they hate what Steven Universe represents but haven't actually watched it, like when they complain that Steven solves all his problems by crying (that happens less than once a season) or is too much of a wimpy pacifist to actually fight (he's been physically fighting his enemies since the first episode).

>>94534433

The dubs have spoken.

>>94551777

To be fair Pearl nearly lets Steven get killed a few times. Still she's what I'd call too flawed of a character in that her flaws outweigh her good qualities in a way that makes her unlikable (especially with how were supposed to sympathize with all the selfish stuff she does), at least in my opinion.

>>94551723
did you at least watch the movie?

>>94550555
The English dub for that scene is superior tho

>>94534306
I never saw Neon Genesis Evangelion so i dunno.
I see that it gets good ratings so maybe i could give it a try someday

>>94538120
If you skip the filler, Naruto is not only good it's actually amazing

>>94552933
>Faggot trip has a faggot opinion
Color me fucking shocked

>>94534337
So closer to you?

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>>94534306
Nah, Steven actually succeeds at saving the world

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>>94552933
KILL YOURSELF!

>>94552950
>>94553046
The whole naruto hate is not justified.

If you skip the filler, it has an amazing storyline, great fight scenes and amazing character development.

Sasuke's character development was particularly good.

>>94553157
>it has an amazing storyline
It's a total clusterfuck that feels like Kishimoto was making stuff up as he went along
>great fight scenes
I'll give you this one, some of Naruto's fights are pretty damn impressive and fun
>amazing character development
Not really, especially not outside of the primary cast. It's not bad, but it's not a standout compared to any other shounen.

>>94551892
almost spit out my cereal / 10

>>94553247
Naruto's storyline felt like it had a very natural progression to it, i didn't feel like it was a clusterfuck (i skipped the fillers btw)

>>94553247
>Kishimoto was making stuff up as he went along

that is how 90% of all Shonen anime are made

>>94553396
The only problem with Naruto was that Kaguya was introduced way to quickly after she was hinted at.

People insist that Kaguya was an asspull but she was mentioned about ten chapters before she first appeared. Asspull means that character shows up without being mentioned.

The main failure of Naruto was lack of character development. For years the fans complained that Naruto didn't develop characters and now that the sequel is developing characters, fans suddenly have a problem.

>>94553527
>For years the fans complained that Naruto didn't develop characters and now that the sequel is developing characters, fans suddenly have a problem.
That's because the fans that stuck around to see the original Naruto conclude were the ones that didn't want development, so now that the sequel's developing characters that isn't what the fans want anymore.

>>94552951
No, I'd say closer to that comeback.

>>94553527
There's a sequel? As in after the manga's end? Because all I know about that was what was chronicled in the Hall of Anal Devastation.

>>94553527
>Implying Sasuke and Naruto didn't develop immensely during the anime

Are you serious? there was a ton of character development

>>94553157
Sasuke was a supreme faggot mary sue who was promptly forgiven for every fucking criminal and vile thing he did in one page

>>94543232
He chose to go, not forced into the situation like Shinji is.

>>94553697
Sasuke and Naruto developed but everyone else got shafted.
>>94553645
The sequel is Boruto. Most of the development is happening in the anime since the manga has only a few chapters of original content.
>>94553605
Those fans are morons and I hope the wrters ignore them.

>>94553780
>Naruto fans
>morons
Goes hand in hand honestly, just look at this fucking stupid tripfag

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>>94553003

>>94534433
This is a good post.

>>94553527
>People insist that Kaguya was an asspull but she was mentioned about ten chapters before she first appeared. Asspull means that character shows up without being mentioned.
10 chapters is an extremely short build up, I would still consider it an asspull. Especially considering this happens at the very end of the series and is a culmination of the story and STILL gets that short of any form of build up at all.

>>94551529
Thank you anon, that was an actually thoughtful response.

>>94535431
Master Anno said he chose the title because it sounded complicated.

>>94553827
is that Carl the Cuck?

>>94553800
I'm actually an incredibly intelligent person so you are wrong there.

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>>94555178
Well I'll be a monkey's uncle..

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>>94553157
>watch an episode that matters to the plot
>they LITERALLY talk for all 22 minutes
>next episode continues from the last
>they fight for five seconds and then it switches to filler
Why did I watch this shit? Don't ever listen to tripfags.

>>94535431
>failing to realise when people say EVA is deep they don't mean any of that religious symbolism
baka, never go full retard.

>>94534306
"child/teen thrust into a role far larger than he is prepared for" is pretty common. Lot of different ways for that to play out.

>>94556002
the real Carl is uglier

>>94553629
so closer to you then

>>94558240
Work on your bantz, m80.

>>94543232
Yeah, honestly, kids should be sent to war mandatory as soon as they can walk

only a lifetime of killing and raping can makes you into a real man

>>94536185
Why are the SJW shills on this site so fucking blatant? Go back to tumblr and listen to Stronger Than You on repeat, you fucking mong.

>>94534433
And yet Steven is way more of a bitch

>>94545354
This series is what Steven Universe is based on in the first place

>>94558492
Steven saved the earth
that automatically makes you not a bitch

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>>94553157
>If you skip the filler, it has an amazing storyline
the story is the worst part of naruto, the ending is a power creep of hilarious precedence
>great fight scenes
gif related
>amazing character development
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>94558523
didn't he save the earth with his empathy? Like he just talked to the cluster and it decided not to blow up?

>>94558488
>everyone who does not think that everyone not heterosexual must be horribly mutilated, disfigured, and raped to death with a cheese grinder is an SJW shill

this is not how the real world works, kiddo

>>94534306
both are faggots that cry for everything, yes

I've only seen that one ending to Eva with the people of earth turning into jelly. What was up with this ending and the various other movies that came after this? Was this noncanon or did some stuff happen that helped connect to the other stuff in the series?

>>94558563
Would not be the first time the power of love saved the world

>>94558574
Steven's family at least loves him tho

>>94558623
except it's not the power of love
he talked to the cluster and told them they are not alone
that was fucking it, it was never explain how he managed to communicate with them at all let alone all of them at once
that's a dues ex machina

>>94558655
>that's a dues ex machina
once again, a staple of the hero's journey

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>>94558653
>keep a kid out of school and fail to homeschool him so he's mentally handicapped
>isolate him from his peers so he develops social disorders and becomes the town retard
>make him obese
sure a lot of love going on

>>94558699
except that he is not handicapped and does not have social disorders

at least by the standards of the show
literally every human on the show who is not Connie or Greg is dumber and more socially inept than Steven

>>94558695
>deus ex machina is essential to the heroes story
what

>>94558760
>except that he is not handicapped and does not have social disorders
the kid's physical age reflects his mental age. And he literally hasn't changed since his 7th birthday. (I think it was 7)

He is literally handicapped.

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>>94558809
Or simply innocent

>>94558809
yep, the kid's old enough to be in high school but his "homeschooling" has kept him from aging
turns out alien rocks that never age are pretty bad at raising a human child

>>94558835
innocent? You mean naive? No fucking shit he's been doing fuck all for half his lifetime getting fat and watching tv, of course he's "innocent"

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>Was this noncanon or did some stuff happen that helped connect to the other stuff in the series?
End of Evangelion is literally THE end of the series. The TV ending isn't the whole story. The Rebuild movies are a retelling of the TV series, but it takes a drastic turn at the end of the 2nd movie and all of the 3rd. Whether Rebuild confirms a time loop or is simply a retelling is still up in the air and we won;t get a definitive answer until the fourth movie comes out.

>>94558868
meant for >>94558581

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>>94558866
You are right, only by dedicating your whole life to torturing and raping small children do you grow into true manhood

>>94558955
anyone wanna fill me in on what fallacy this is? Feels like the bastard child of a few of them

>>94558955
TWO HUNDRED YEARS

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>>94558970
It is no fallacy if this is what you truly want

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>>94558835
Meh, he's actually been getting more mature as the show goes on.

Seriously, the first episode of the show was about him thinking his favorite fucking ice-cream was the key to his magic powers. In the latest episodes he

>Turned himself in and took the blame for his mother's crimes to spare his friends.
>Spent the fight on the ship focusing on figuring out how he and everyone else was going to get back to Earth.
>And led an escape from their prison on the Gem Homeworld.

Seriously, I get it. But he's gotten a lot better. It's like night and day if you compare them.

The show also turned the second worst townie character into the best character of the show.

>>94558970
He's just a shitposter. Don't try to figure him out; just ignore him. Shitposters are like teeth. Ignore them and they go away.

>>94559148
THEN WHY ISN'T THE FAT FAGGOT CUNT GROWING UP?

Explain THAT, SJW cunt!

>>94559197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8lMKXRh-Eo

>>94537132
>>94534306
>>94558813

ok I can connect some dots here

>>94535431
Didn't " A Night of the Galactic Railroad" do the same thing? Christian imagery is just a passaround in japan for 'Faith.'
But this is a post from tumblr, so why would they care about culture or learning or something.

>>94534306
Steven Universe is the Western equivalent to a 12 year old's fanfiction right after he watched Sailor Moon.

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>>94559374
wrong show

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>>94559439
>those faces

>>94559439
That looks fucking terrible

>>94559439
how the fuck can Marco live with this fucking limbs
there's no fucking musculature
it's like they're the remnants of nuclear warfare

>>94549110
Asuka is flat man,and shes even flatter in re buld!

>>94559197
It is called "recognizable character design"

>>94559567
just like the show

>>94549814
Well, Simon was kind of designed to be shinji if he had better emotional support and could healthily gain confidence.

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>>94560027
Just have him look like how he did on his birthday. Is that recognizable or is Steven just Cartoon Network's Timmy Turner? One little design change won't ruin the fucking show.

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>>94536811
Shinji v. The Diamond Authority? He could do it, but he’s not sure if he can because he’s insecure. If Shinji knew he is loved and is willing to accept that love, he could probably overcome anything. He assumes his existence is shameful, which is why he doesn’t know why girls try to talk to him, or why he was chosen to pilot an Eva. Kaoru validated his existence just from a few weeks just from watching him be himself and being OK with it. If Shinji had the love of the Crystal Gems, he would have already crushed The Diamond Authority. I also think he would have used the Breaking Point to do it, despite his initial objection.


Things aren’t great for Steven. The broken people he’s used to just need a little bit of love and they open up entirely. He charmed the shit out of every gem except Jasper. He got Lars killed and they're tighter than ever. No one in EVA cast could ever be that trusting. They’re way too petty and unstable, perfectly willing to fuck up an entire mission if it involves having to confront their feelings directly. Steven could maybe make a friend in Rei, but Steven doesn't do well with being alone. He freaked out when he lost control of the Ruby ship. Steven can't imagine a world where most people on some level don't care about each other. Most of EVA is about being alone, even when you're with other people. Talking to the Angel’s would definitely get him killed if he doesn’t kill himself.

>>94534306
No Steven actually grows as a character.

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>>94550013
Steven is far braver than Shinji, wtf?

>>94560615
How is a drawing this good this bad?

>>94538927
>>>/tumblr/

>>94561159
Shinji's brave as fuck man. He willingly pilots a not!robot that he could regularly get fucking killed in, where his first experience with it was learning what it feels like to have a hot metal rod shoved all the way through his head with so much force it could push him backwards. This was his introductory experience and after a small setback he got right back in and kept piloting it no matter how much shit got thrown at him, knowing that if he failed at any point the entire fucking world would end.

Is this the thread where we pretend eva is good?

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>>94553157
Yeah, it's definitely not reprocessed garbage by any means.

>>94561516
Inb4 the Cowboy Bebop scene was taken from a Bruce Lee film, that was debunked a long time ago because nobody can find the supposed scene it was from.

>>94561563
But that means Naruto is still cool right?

>>94561584
No it just means that Naruto ripped that from the Bebop scene which was its own original animation. Naruto's shit outside of a handful of fights and was never fucking "cool"

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>>94561159
Here is knowledge.

>>94553157
I don't like naruto that much because the show went back on the hardwork message
>Naruto is the son of the 4th Hokage and is also the reincarnation of ninja Jesus
>Rock Lee, Mr hard work beats talent is sidelined through the 2nd and 3rd parts of the show
At least My Hero Academia is handling that message better

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>>94561650
And here's some other crazy shit.

>>94561620
>Rock Lee vs Gara
In terms of Character its nice, talent beat hard work when talent actually has to try

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>>94561715
It rips off other animations, little to no story that hasn't been done a million times before, and the animation itself is sub-par at its best and a carbon copy of every other anime at worst. It's the same shit that follows the same pattern like all anime. It's lazy.

>>94561856
This. It's so painfully mediocre that it turns into shit for being such a run-of-the-mill shounen series that takes absolutely no risks.

>>94538073
>EVA units are full of pain
never seen evangelion but is there a reason for this? Seems fucking retarded to give full pain to the wearer as if a popup screen or something wouldn't give the same information

>>94562623
Yeah, the pilots need to be in full sync with the Eva's body in order to pilot it

>>94561098
Yeah, he goes from annoying fat shit who cries a lot to an even more annoying fat shit who cries a lot

>>94562687
I mean you could still do that without putting a pain system into it, just do the popup thing or if really needed put some a minor pain but not all

>>94562623
the "robots" aren't actually robots

>>94551892
>>94558813
When do they parody this scene?

>>94558904
Jotaro's character arc was NEVER a hero's journey in Stardust Crusaders. Hell, he barely even HAD a character arc in SC.

>>94538175
Pretty much every song from >>94538175
Disney is better than whatever crap SU can dish out. And that's not even getting to songs based on/written for /co/ characters.

>>94539598
I think you mean "One Piece".

It even has the distorted faces and lots of crying

You cannot expect to equate every aspect of one show to another entirely based off of the topography of their inception

Inherently the comparison is flawed beyond belief as both aim to tell different stories within different syndicated constructs. Steven Universe cannot tell a story any longer than 15 minutes and therefore uses this limitation as an advantage by exploring character interactions and establishing overarching subplots over a multitude of episodes under the guise of a simple slice of life formula. NGE on the otherhand has a beginning middle and end to its story. It ran for only 1 season and, disregarding the later movies, is a self-contained story that does not require any previous knowledge to understand the plot. Every episode is tightly made and neat in its presentation with no fat to be trimmed

To compare SU with NGE is as pointless as debating whether or not Snow Cones are in fact superior to Hot Dogs

>>94563104
His arc was about not letting his autism prevent him from forming meaningful relationships

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>>94558504
It's everything SU wished it was.
But it will never be.

>>94561691
True injustice is that we'll never see anon read his report out loud in front of the class

>>94563355
>Snow Cones are in fact superior to Hot Dogs

What, hot dogs are clearly superior though?

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>>94563536
SU is what happens when an Utena fan with a shallow understanding of Utena makes a cartoon.

When an Utena fan who actually paid attention and learned how to grasp subtlety makes a cartoon, you get Star Vs. the Forces of Evil.

>>94558523

Shinji saved the Earth 12 times in a row until he finally failed after everyone else had either betrayed him or was fucking dead against an enemy that outnumbered him 9 to 1.

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>>94534306
More like pic related. Renton cries almost every episode.

>>94534433
I had the luck of watching Evangelion for the first time when I was in the "sometimes I lie in bed for 15 hours doing nothing" stage of depression, so I understood a lot of what shinji was going through on an emotional level, even if my life was objectively a million times better than his and I was just being a little bitch

>>94562623
>>94562872

Evas aren't robots. They are clones of the giant monsters attacking the Earth, with cyberware jammed into their head. They don't wear armor to protect themselves, metal doesn't protect you from an Angel's attacks. The 'armor' is to restrain the sleepwalking beast you have carved out a hole inside and stuck a pilot into.

There are hand controls in the Eva. They are not hooked up to anything, they are literally just there to make you feel better. The control system is entirely telepathic. You see what the Eva sees, the Eva responds to your reflexes, and you feel what the Eva feels.

Because Angels (and thus Evas) are reality-warping abominations, if your Synch Rate gets too high 'feeling' the wound starts to turn into 'literally manifesting the wound on your own body'.

Its not a weapon system you use because you want to. The Eva is a weapon you use because you have nothing else that can stop an Angel, and 15 years of preptime only BARELY got you as far as a prototype that still needs to be plugged in to a city power grid to function. Eva's are so fucking cutting edge that Shinji nearly bleeds to death on how untested this shit is.

>>94563665
> star
> understanding subtlety
LMAO

>>94563970
Just because your eyes are closed doesn't mean Nefcy's are, anon.

>>94563355
But even putting all that aside, the very concept of comparing a kids' show with a lovecraftian 2deep4you mindfuck deconstruction series is ridiculous. It's like saying Charlie Brown is a weak character because he didn't go through Grave Of The Fireflies.

>>94564014

I think you are overselling Eva a little bit, but you aren't totally wrong either.

Steven Universe is a show I could easily see watching with as a young child, or watching with my own kid if I had one.

Evangelion is not a show I would let anyone under the age of 15 watch. And honestly, they probably won't be emotionally mature enough to really grasp the meat of the show until years after that.

>>94558240
take the L, retard

>>94564082
You must have been sheltered. I watched Eva when I was 13.

> they probably won't be emotionally mature enough to really grasp the meat of the show until years after that
Or ever, since most adults wouldn't really "get" NGE, either. Age has remarkably little to do with it, from what I've seen.

>>94564014
The broad strokes of your argument are sound, but the main demographic and themes of a show should not have anything to do with their comparison if you choose to value one less than another solely because of the traits it bears rather than the content it produces

>>94564082
>Evangelion is not a show I would let anyone under the age of 15 watch.
On the contrary, I'd argue that people just under the age of 15 should watch it. I saw it when I was 14 and being the same age as the characters while also being borderline suicidal helped me to connect to them in a way I feel like I wouldn't at my current age

>>94563728
Renton nuts up way faster and more often though. That episode with just him and Dominic is a gem. It's only when he's not given any information on the situation that he falls apart, which is mostly Holland's fault for keeping him in the dark.

>>94553780
>Shikamaru
>Tsunade
>Hinata
>Sakura
>Gaara
>Zabuza
>Kakashi
>Obito
>Might Guy
>Choji
>Asuma
>Kurama/Kyuubi
Those are all of the characters besides Naruto and Sasuke that come to mind as having notable character development and that doesn't count characters who were shown to have developed like Nagato and Jiraiya.