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Hey shitlords are you ready to see a problematic old white male

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Hey shitlords are you ready to see a problematic old white male hero from the 30's be reborn in modern times as a symbol of #resistance against Dongald Glumpfh with the help of a spicy smart Latina? Then please join me in reading the newest in a long line of proud embarrassments from Dynamite called The Shadow #1
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there are covers
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>>94534010
Of course not. I'm glad I stopped reading Pulp comics few months ago. It's like I subconsciously knew that they would do shit like it
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>>94534083
are you some kind of bigot or something, like, uugh...........
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>>94534010
The real storytime hasn't even started yet and i'm already afraid they've ruined The Shadow based on your description alone, OP.
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>>94534010
Well it’s from Si Spurrier. Might be good.
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L A T I N A
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>>94534155
To be frank, Spurrier's style doesn't fit The Shadow
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>>94534158
It's one page and it already feels like something that Bendis would wrote
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we wuz
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your penis is burn lmao
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>>94534187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDTZ7iX4vTQ
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white males BTFO!!!
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>>94534229
suddenly... Shadow. At day. Because his schnozz knows... It knows...
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'ha'
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>>94534364
Gene Ha?
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tee hee you're burned and i don't like tending to you as part of my duties as a nurse, no offense white boy
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>>94534330
>that's your story
Spurrier, you are not writing X-Men Legacy anymore
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>>94534342
When did The Shadow get Ghost Rider's penance stare?
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WELL WELL WELL IF IT ISN'T DRINGALD BLUMPF
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dude like

superheroes

are not

like

real life

whoa.............................
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nurse every molecule in my body is in continuous screeching agony would you please administer my painkillers instead of soapboxing
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>>94534468
>Media mogul appointed White House counselor
Ike?
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>>94534158
Did female wimps get their lunch money stolen?
Female on female bullying was always shown as girls insulting her appearance/personality.
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"Caesar would never admit this openly, but he knows I'm alive. I've killed enough of his frumentarii and assassins that have come looking."
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I ain't reading this shit but jesus christ OP you sound like the biggest faggot I've ever heard
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>>94534547
Nothing out of the ordinary, then.
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>>94534547
op is always a faggot you dringus
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>>94534437
BLONALD!!!!!!!
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>>94534566
That's not The Shadow. His nose isn't big enough.
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>President Wyatt

no really

well that's the end of this shit let's hope cancellation is not far away
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>>94534330
Ya know they wouldn't have that pile of bodies if ya showed up a few minutes sooner.
But I guess it's okay as long as ya stopped them just in time to save one minority girl.

Seriously nobody else around who were at risk, literally waited till the last second.
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To think I was looking forward to Spurrier's Shadow.
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>>94534437
>It's fucking real
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>>94534602
>let's hope cancellation is not far away
The Shadow in the 21st Century is not a bad idea, but when you shove "muh female minority" into the mix, it deserves to get canceled.
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Why would The Shadow respond to a school shooting? His whole career was supposed to be about solving confounding super-crimes by criminal masterminds or organized mobs the cops couldn't crack.
More to the point why show up after everyone is already dead?
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>>94534619
Yeah, I had this in my pull list for about two weeks, but my gut feeling told me to take it out. Good decision.
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>>94534468
The one writing the story is a person who made the most transparent messages possible, short of going full Marville #6 and just having commentary over a flashback.
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>>94534668
The Shadow is a pulp character. If you take him out of the genre, you get a joke, like this issue. It doesn't matter if the setting is 90s, 50's or 10's, as long as the comic is pulpy
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>>94534683
>>94534692
Spurrier is usually quite good. His Crossed stories were some of the best in the series because they were less about the gorn and more about the people.
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>>94534675
I don't know if you've heard, but there's not a lot of Gangsters to fight in modern-day New York City like there was in the 30s, so The Shadow has a lot of free time on his hands.
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>>94534528
THE BURNED MAN LIVES!
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>>94534528
>An old man's wiener
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>>94534602
Boy that sure was ... A comic by a British dude writing about a Latin American girl who getting bullied and then threatened by white people.
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>>94534315
So wait is the writer bashing the ultraviolence the superhero icons usually do? Or promoting it as long as they are up front about it like they were a 90s antihero?
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>>94534717
Yeah, I usually like his work. That’s why I’m disappointed.
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>>94534010
Never add a caption to your storytimes again.
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>Revive the Shadow in the 21st century
>Wow imagine how many new stories we ca-
>RESIST DRUMPF!!!!!!
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>look forward to garth Ennis' take on The Shadow
>it's just a comic about The Rape of Nanking, where Lamont and Margo sometimes show up
>sort of interested in Si Spurrier's Shadow, because his Six-Gun Gorilla was some amazing shit
>it's fucking THIS
I'm not even opposed to bringing Drumpf into The Shadow's world - he's certainly squared off against enough flamboyant megalomaniacs, and he's no stranger to "ripped from the headlines" stuff. But this... blech.
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>>94534787
I think he's trying to say that Batman, Cap and apparently Wonder Woman are disingenuous but The Shadow is honest he's a murderous vigilante so it's OK. I can't argue with this actually but sure as fuck this isn't the right story to even poke holes in any other character.
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>>94534728
But there are shady businessmen, which are like mobsters, only harder to kill
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>>94534010
And here I was hoping The Shadow would remain just obscure enough to never endure this kind of embarassment.
My hopes were dashed from the moment that doctor started soapboxing.
And school shooters ? Really ? This is the kind of shit that The Shadow sends his agents for or just calls the police.
I'm really not looking forward to this dumpster fire.

>>94534700
The Shadow is not that constrained to the 30s like most pulp characters are. Hell he was still going very strong in the 40s and would have continued if it wasn't for the multiple events that lead to his cancellation like Gibson being fired, Bruce Elliot shitting the bed, paper shortages, S&S going bankrupt, the war and comics upstaging the pulps and so on.
As long as you adapt the pulpy style of the character and don't try to shove trendy shit into his stories you can put him in any time period. The new Batman/The Shadow crossover is doing that just fine.

>>94534431
In the fourth novel, The Red Menace, published in 1931, he hypnotized the main villain into writing a confession and drinking poison.
Because of that, and to make it easier to describe his actions, he was given telepathic powers in the radio show, and it's been a part of his shtick.
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>>94534602
>The Trump expy is literally A. Wyatt Man
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>>94534804
Let's not forget referencing the immortal Columbine
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>>94534187
>>94534204
So is this a direct reference to a particular shooting?
Or just one dimensional characters written as obvious shitheads.
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>>94534010
You're not funny. Go back to /v/.
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>>94534930
>As long as you adapt the pulpy style
But that's exactly what I wrote. Pulp is a genre
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>>94534976

The speech in and of itself to me sounds like the author wants to make a point about ALL school shootings by white kids and go "lmao white privilege".
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>>94534976
I guess Columbine?
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>>94534468
You're so pent up on being a little bitch OP, you completely missed a great dig on Ike the kike
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>>94534602
lordy are you a faggot
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>>94535045
OP is probably shitposting in other threads right now.
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This wasn't good but OP bitching the entire time instead of letting the comic speak for itself was even worse.
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>Guy who was alive to see the Depression lecturing about white privilege
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>its an op cant stop being triggered by the comic hes posting episode
Pass
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>>94534787
I guess the point he's trying to make is that Batman and etc beating up people but still calling themselves heroes because they don't kill people is dishonest but The Shadow is okay because he makes no such pretensions.
Which is beyond retarded because it misses the point of both parties. The "no killing rule" is not a loophole and Captain America and Wonder Woman are completely different from Batman.
And it grossly miscaracterizes The Shadow. Contrary to what Howard Chaykin and recent depictions would have you believe, The Shadow is not a soulless vengeful monster. That's the point of his own fucking catchphrase. He knows, from experience as a veteran spy, what evil lurks in the hearts of men to actively root them out and set an example. He has a theatrical streak a mile wide and is more than willing to get his hands dirty but he is still on the side of good. That's why his agents follow him.
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>>94535218
That's why I think that Spurrier shouldn't write The Shadow. He obviously will try to make this something ambitious, but it's impossible if the writer doesn't get the character so painfully. But then again, it's hard to understand a character that is from completely different political spectrum.
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>>94534602
>Damian is going to be a part of the Batman/Shadow crossover
Well it was fun while it lasted
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>>94535218
Silly anon. It's 2017, and he's a white man with a gun. the best he can hope to be is a mentally unstable lunatic who happens to be pointing his gun in a direction convienient for the poor, oppressed minorites. Saying he's capable of even simple reasoning is like saying our glorious, fearless and immortal leader Obama was a bad president, or that the polls weren't rigged by communists to get drumph in office.
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>>94535320
Why would russians want trump in the office, if Hillary wanted a reset with russia?
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>>94535218
Christ, Masks was one gigantic bait and switch - didn't help that they had to shove in so many characters, and that Alex Ross takes so damn long
>>94535320
>>94535352
Guys, the amount of evidence that Putin fucked with your election is getting to be cartoonish.
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>>94535377
>Guys, the amount of evidence that Putin fucked with your election is getting to be cartoonish
Minigolf I didn't expect you to fall for fake news.
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>>94535377
Well, then Putin is a retard
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>>94535377
>Alex Ross takes so damn long
Ironic, since he himself stated that it took him less time to paint a page like that than it did most of hiss fellow students while he was studying.
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>>94535294
He's not even from such a different political spectrum for the sheer fact that for a character from the 1930's The Shadow was pretty 'progressive' with agents like the big nig Jerico (who actually had a job running an employment office in Harlem), and two women. But I guess it wasn't enough to pass the SJW test these days.
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I think I just hate all comics that do a one dimensional badguy like that seriously for their message.

Like Garth Ennis will make any character that is not meant to be liked one dimensionally retarded, but they were never meant to be taken serious or a threat.
They were meant to be a bunch of KKK that are easily beaten and degraded for being ugly white idiots who thought themselves superior, or a street flasher who is too busy thinking a woman would he scared of an exposed penis that he wouldn't be stabbed in the dick hole with a high heel.
Weak, one dimensional villains, with an obvious message of "I hate people who are like this" by the maker of the comic. BUT not taken as a serious threat or used to be treated like a high deal. Instead played as a joke to show just how stupid this idea is.

Instead here in this comic we get guys who successfully murder dozens until the right moment where they are symbolically broken down.

If the writer has simply not have them kill anyone, but instead wave their guns around like they're a 5 year old trying to get attention, this comic would have been a little bit better.
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>>94535414
The thing is, vigilantism was something that was considered "fascist" by then left-wingers, and taking the law in your hand was considered a mindset of a person, who had conservative views. Nowadays, what I just wrote sounds outlandish, and I don't think I can defend this anymore.
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Man, trump was the worse thing to happen to comics but I'm not sure if hillary winning wouldn't have led to ungodly smug comics about the same issues. Maybe people are too fucked in the head.
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>>94535448
Stop. Seriously. I know that there are memes, and shitposting and summerfagging, but there is line that we should not cross
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>>94535465
It would be Obama 2.0 only with actual dick, instead of pussy.
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>>94535402
Anon, I completely expected you to fall for stupid bullshit.
>>94535404
He's basically one part Hitler, three parts Stalin, two parts Ernst Blofeld, four parts Doctor Doom. The man is a holiday cocktail of evil.
>>94535411
Well, then I guess Dynamite are just shit.
>>94535414
Yyyyyeah, but he also has all those "yellow peril" villains, so it's swings and roundabouts.
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>>94535465
Imagine all the anti-Trump stuff in comics replaced with stuff like that one fat bitch who met Hillary and gushed about how bwaaave and hewoic and constant reminders Trump lost showing him as a bum on the street or something to that effect.
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>>94535294
>it's hard to understand a character that is from completely different political spectrum.
But The Shadow doesn't HAVE a political spectrum. He doesn't even have a religious one.
Hell, if you disregard the occasional yellow peril racism, The Shadow was remarkably progressive for it's day compared to, say, Doc Savage.
He had agents of all types, including Asian agents like Roy Tam or General Cho-Tsing, a very respectable black agent named Jericho and two regular female agents (one of which is probably the 2nd most famous character in the series).
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>>94535448
How does it feel to be triggered every day?
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>>94534330
Take that, Marx!
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>>94535426
Don't forget that Ennis also makes his serious villains very fun. Grandmother L'Angelle, Barracuda, Man of Stone, The Slavers, Castenado; all of them are over the top evil, but with a sort of controlled sadism that lets the reader revel in hating them. These more serious villains are always less political and more just very horrible people, regardless of politics, so a conservative and a democrat can both hate the living Hell out of Granny L'Angelle for being a sadistic piece of shit.
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>>94535508
Putin is all PR, he actually is a small guy
for me.
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>>94535531
Funny you mention Doc Savage, because I consider him much more of a liberal wet dream than savage Shadow, that makes babies cry with his schnozz. I don't think we will agree, because the world horribly distorted politics, or maybe it is the other way.
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>>94535570
Didn't Doc Savage basically perform lobotomies on his villains?
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>The Shadow would "resist" Trump but he definitely wouldn't investigate the decades of corruption and shady evil as fuck shit the Clintons have carried out

truly, the right side of history
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>>94535145
That could easily be interpreted as him smacking down a pair of middle class idiots who have never struggled for anything in their lives, and the persecution complexes they developed despite that fact.
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>>94535590
He did it for their own good, so they wouldn't have bad thoughts. With that said, it was more in the novels than in comics. I remember being surprised because only once it was shown in comics, and guess when? During his crossover with The Shadow.
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>>94535590
Yeah he did, he performed the surgery himself too, The Shadow also had such a program in a hidden location but it was more about rehabilitation of small time repentant crooks than chopping their brain out.
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>>94535532
>not recognizing a false flag
Retard
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>>94535628
Sure.
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>>94535592
why does it need to be one or the other when they are both terrible piles of shit
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>>94535627
>he performed the surgery himself too
Why would Savage lobotomize himself? What would he gain from it?
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>>94535595
it could be, if it wasn't almost a sure thing that there's an unspoken "white" just before "privelidge" in his little speil.
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>>94534602
>The Shadow is an eternal symbol of how low Bruce could sink if he loses focus and sinks into depression

What??
I'm sure Batman is far more depressed than The Shadow has ever been
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>>94534010
>Then please join me in reading the newest in a long line of proud embarrassments from Dynamite

What's up with Dynamite anyway? Brain parasites?
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>>94535660
he cut out the inferior parts of his brain of course
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>>94535570
Maybe Doc Savage was considered liberal for it's time but today, definitely not. His stories have aged really poorly in that regard.

>>94535590
Yup. He kidnapped the criminals he defeated, took them to his "crime college" and gave them brain surgery to set them straight.
The Shadow also gained a correction facility of his own, but it was run by an actual psychiatrist and close friend of his, there were no lobotomies involved and crooks went there willingly. It was more like a mental hospital.
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>>94535658
Because you have to love one if you hate the other hating both hurts sjws and /pol/tards who can't understand how bother were bad for the country.
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>>94535628
>Not recognizing bait in prely to an obvious false flag

I'm the guy who posted the false flag. git gud son.
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>>94535670
If anything, of the two, The Shadow is the more mentally stable. He knows when to kill and when to stop and offer a helping hand. Batman is just like an alcoholic who never drinks, ever, because he knows he couldn't handle it.

It's kind of funny: despite his immense willpower, Batman is a total weakling when it comes to the main question of how to deal with villains.
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>>94535653
Its too over the top. Only false flaggers call him drumpf anymorr
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I wanna reread the Shadow/TwilightZone crossover again to forget about this disappointing story.
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>>94535690
I don't know man, the pic you posted would be applauded by feminists who need no man.
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>>94535723
everyone knows that but we have to pretend he's really honorable and focused and shit because he will always protect his criminals and never '''''stoop''''' to their level
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>>94535688
Pic related. Which ones? What did they do? What was the result? How did he do the surgery?

>>94535690
Doc Savage Vs The Shadow when? Seriously, it makes more sense than Batman Vs The Shadow.
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>>94535557
He's the kind of crazy that loops back round to being competent. He's pretty much Jong-Un without all the yes-men.
>>94535592
Again, the amount of corrupt and immoral shit Trump has pulled is so cartoonish it outshines whatever Hillary and Bill have done. At least Hillary would've been competent...
>>94535622
I think it was touched on a few times in the DC ongoing - Ham and Monk had a talk about it, with them both agreeing that it was pretty fucked up in retrospect. It was also a minor plot point in the Dynamite miniseries, where Obama (yes, I know...) going "Dude, that is SUPER fucked up". I think he even went before a senate committee who went "Seriously, that's fucked up".
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>>94535715
>not recognizing me calling it a false flag was a false flag bait
Get on my level
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>>94535744
Dude I know that what kind person replies like that this except someone butthurt. Regardless of intent, it comes off as a conservative being triggered.
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>>94535590
Doc Savage is basically a more human and autistic Injustice Superman.
His actual Nazi knock-off Sun Koh had more of a consciousness than he had, funny enough.
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>>94535676
They've got so many IPs and done so many stories, they've run out of ideas.
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>>94535780
Guess he really is a little boy in Bat pajamas screaming out for mommy and daddy.
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>>94535758
Nah I don't think so because he's rejecting women on his own terms and not being rejected by them, the worst possible thing you can do to them is ignore them
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>>94535801
Like I said its someone acting butthurt. Its a troll you retard. God why are people so fucking stupid that when its that obvious it isnt real they think it is.
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>>94535802
A good villain is always the shadow of the hero's morals.
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>>94535782
>Doc Savage Vs The Shadow when?

They already had like several of those. There was the crossover in the DC Comics of the 80's, then there was the Dark Horse mini where it involved a guy who was implied to be the scientist who created the Super Soldier Serum for Captain America, there was the Justice Inc miniseries by Uslan that retold the Avenger's origin but involving Savage and the Shadow, and there was that Doc Savage novel last year with the Shadow in it.
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>>94535783
That pic is kinda hilarious. He is wrong, albeit he is right at the same time.

I am really glad that Trump reminded europeans that they are europeans, and not some goddamn empire for one. Germans certainly are getting too cocky
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>>94535866
Thanks for the info, man.
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>>94534619
Spurrier was such a nice bright star once but he went so up his ass holy shit.
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>>94535782
The Shadow and Doc Savage had several crossovers already, as enemies and allies. If I recall the latest one even threw in The Avenger into the mix. There's no need for there to be more of them.

>>94535780
I hate that the latest Batman/Shadow had Batman lecture The Shadow on why he is right with a "you think our lives are worth more than theirs but we are all the same".
I don't mind these flaws for Batman. The problem is when they aren't character traits but instead a position that the story fully abides to.
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>>94535854
let them learn
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>>94535723
To put things even more simple only one of the two became vigilantes to do a service to their country and clean up crime while the other one was motivated by vengeance and a traumatic event that caused a psychotic break at a young age. Who sounds more stable really?
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>>94535961
My man.
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>>94535961
I think that a lot of people should read the original Shadow/Batman meeting way back in 70s. Back then Batman considered The Shadow a "master" and a superior
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>>94534602
>let's hope cancellation is not far away
It's Dynamite so sales numbers don't mean much.
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Man, I know a guy on youtube who's going to make a shitty clickbait anti-SJW video about this in about 5 minutes.
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>>94534061
So is this supposed to be Margo Lane ?
I don't think she will be appearing on this issue
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>>94536199

Razorfist?
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>>94536199
Lemme guess, is it a certain long haired, leather jacket wearing, metal-head, that has the word "fist" as part of his online alias?
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>>94536199
Yeah I can see the video in my head right now.
I'm glad RazorFish introduced so many people to The Shadow but goddamnit he is a faggot.
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>>94534010
>Complaining about The Shadow having ethnic minority sidekicks

Have you ever even read The Shadow?

Also holy fuck, Si Spurrier's on the book?! Now I'm excited!!
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>>94536311
Prepare for disappointment
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>>94536199
Sometimes I think Razor is contrarian for contrarians sake. Like if the Country as a whole started going right he would probably go far left.
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>>94536231
>>94536239
>>94536286
Could be worse, could be...
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>>94536311
You might want to read the comic and thread if you think the problem here is The Shadow having a minority sidekick.
Or don't, save yourself the dissapointment.
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>>94536339
>contrarian for contrarians sake

That sums up so many of the boards here...
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>>94534330
Why does the Shadow wear a red scarf if he's trying to blend in the shadows ?
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For the record not all of Dynamite's attempts have been awful, the Green Hornet crossover was actually pretty good and wasn't written like it was amateur night.
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>>94536412
he didn't originally he just turned his collar up over his face but I guess once the superhero thing really took off somebody gave him the scarf
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>>94536417
Dynamite had a lot of good pulp. Anyone remembers The Bat? Or The Spider?
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Am I wrong in that I could much easier see the Shadow in the future than I could in the 21st century?
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>>94536412
The scarf is not canon, it was a thing Kaluta and O'Neil added in the 70s DC series. It was never in any of the serials or drawings.
That bit of red around The Shadow’s face on all the pulp covers is the collar of his cloak, which is lined with red because pulps with the color red on the cover tended to sell well.
Kaluta probably mistook it for a scarf or just wanted to add something cool to the character, and it stayed there ever since.

Besides, it's not like it matters when the character can more or less become invisible and disguise himself at will.
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>>94534437
has that flag next to him been recolored into isis colors? lmao
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>>94535660
>>94535688
>>94535782
What happened is that after the surgery was performed the criminals don't have any memory of their criminal lives and placed into roles to be a productive member of society.

>>94535802
>Doc Savage is basically a more human and autistic Injustice Superman.
Nah, I'd say Red Son Superman (remember the Superman Robots?), not Injustice Superman.

But the thing is, this was based off on beliefs at the time. Had Doc Savage continued being published after 1949, the 30's description of the Crime College would've likely been done away with in favor of something more humanitarian. If Detective Comics had done away with Batman before Robin was introduced then people would have it in their mind that Batman often uses a gun and kills people.
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>>94536311
>>Complaining about The Shadow having ethnic minority sidekicks

That's just OP being a fucking idiot.
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>>94536570
I don't think it's about having minority sidekicks as much as it being shown IN YOUR FACE, or sth like that
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>>94536500
No, you are completely right.
The Shadow worked so well partially because he wasn't just an escapist fantasy, he was a resistance fighter. A mythical avenger to push back against all the crime and misery of the Great Depression. Alan Moore took a lot of inspiration from The Shadow when he made V. And there's not much that really warrants this kind of character today.

You can easily create a futuristic Shadow trying to fight against futuristic terrorists, or dismantle a corrupt government, or trying to set things right in a cyberpunk dystopia while gathering agents.
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Let's come up with some ACTUAL GOOD IDEAS for a modern Shadow.

One thing that he'd have to take into account is the sheer amount of surveillance and recording equipment that's around these days. Clouding the minds of men is one thing, not showing up on sixty billion different security cameras is another.
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>>94536637
To be honest, I think that the classic Shadow would work perfectly in the futuristic setting, without any updates. It would certainly give a certain contrast.
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>>94536417
The best Shadow stuff at Dynamite was Wagner's. Uslan's crossoververse (Green Hornet/Shadow, Justice Inc, Green Hornet/Lone Ranger) was also pretty interesting. I guess Chris Roberson's was okay and I still kinda liked the ones Chaykin did for Dynamite since I can accept 80's Shadow as its own thing.
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>>94536663
Hmm.... What if for some reason Shadow wasn't registered on cameras, or his presence made the electronics go haywire?
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>>94534528
>>94534730
10/10
Made my day
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>>94536595
Oh no! The ethnic minority is in your face!

>>94536391
>>94536338
It wasn't that bad. Bit of an uneventful first issue but not that bad. Could be an interesting set-up to examine the character closer.
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>>94536775
>not that bad
so it was bad.
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>>94536775
I don't know about you, but I don't like when something hits me in the face
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>Forced diversity / white guilt is already killing comics
>Deliberately put it in a comic that is guaranteed to have a 100% older white male audience

What could possibly go wrong
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>>94534602
Well that was disappointing.
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>>94536663
I think it would be flipped around the other way in that he would be the one controlling a fuckton of security and surveillance systems himself.
Elephant in the room with modern Shadow would be that his sanctum would clearly be the Batcave with a fuckoff giant supercomupter and everything.
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>>94536663
>>94536698
I thought a lot about this.
What you have to do is shift his powers from hypnosis to electro-psychokinesis.
It’s under a similar pseudoscientific umbrella as hypnotism, so it’s hardly out of place in the pulp style. It complements his other skills and his personality well – remote disruption of light sources makes stealth easier, and the lights and radio is a great way to freak out your enemies and make your entrances that much more dramatic. The Shadow was born in radio in the first place.
In a modern setting it helps deal with advances in surveillance and security technology as well as light pollution. It can be used as an indicator for his’ emotional state given how inexpressive he naturally is.

Imagine criminals driving away with all the loot and they turn on the radio and then the song they are hearing becomes interrupted as they hear static and suddenly
>Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
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>>94536775
Big nig Jerico never soapboxed about white priveledge. he was too busy actually doing his part in progressing socity with his actions to monopilize
an entire fucking issue complaining about society, and how he's mad that it's not progressing.
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>>94536973
>Imagine criminals driving away with all the loot and they turn on the radio and then the song they are hearing becomes interrupted as they hear static and suddenly
That would be an awesome kind of mindfuck
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>>94536775
All of the Shadows agents whether male female black or white were there based on merit of some kind and were down on their luck when they joined up with the Shadow. This smart assed Latina who we're specifically told in bold is Latina is already grating on the nerves rambling about how she hates superheroes and then cracking jokes about the burn victim in her care's penis.
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>>94534728
That's actually kinda funny how he spent decades fighting evil mobsters and organizations only for him to end up dealing with edgy school shooters
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>>94537059
yeah really it kind of reads like a superhero who's down on his luck
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>>94536351
>he didn't like The Killing Joke because it was too mean
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>>94537059
Now when I've read your post, I feel even more disappointed
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>>94536417
>that dig at Batman stealing the plot of a Shadow story
HAW
>>94536507
To be fair, the scarf IS stylish as hell...
>>94536500
>>94536637
I'll play devil's advocate here and say that a modern Shadow COULD be done, but you'd have to make more of an effort to do it well than Spurrier did when dealing with political themes. The Shadow has usually highlighted the problems in society, but he did it with SOME subtlety
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At least we'll always have O'Neil and Kaluta's runs.
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>>94534728
There's still more gangsters in modern NYC than there have been school shooters in it's entire history.
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>>94537135
It was already posted that the problem isn't setting, but the tone, and certain style. Spurrier had forgotten that Shadow is not a Marvel character
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Fuckin' A, why hasn't pic related happened yet? This would be good shit.
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>>94537059
>>94537098
>tfw all your agents and friends are dead
>tfw all your villains are dead
>tfw all your secret identities are dead
>tfw all the threats you used to care of in the past like Nazis are gone
>tfw your author is dead
>tfw the company that currently owns your rights is a cunt
>tfw now you are dealing with fucking school shooters and getting lectured by SJWs

Being The Shadow is suffering.
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>>94537311
someone should add "delet this" to that pic
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>>94537311
I swear to god the school shooter shit is going to be explained later as he had a vision of the future where the girl would become a big asset to him so he saved her from getting killed
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>>94537383
>big ASSet
for him
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>>94537311
He kind of looks like an angry Pepe in that pic

>>94537383
I hope so. Like that Sherlock episode.
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>>94537311
Imagine waking every morning knowing that the only thing you've got to look forward to is taking out edgy losers and the occasional drug dealer or something all the really bad crime you've dealt with all went legitimate so it's pointless to go after them you've lived too long and you can't quit because the worlds still a shithole
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Okay guys here's a really important question, if someone were to produce a Shadow tv show, on a similar vein to Daredevil, do you guys think it should be take place in the 30s or adapted to a modern style with some reinventions ?
I've been beating myself over this for a while.
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>>94537475
Frankly, after reading this comic, I think it would be better if it went 30s
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>>94537311
Nevermind that he became a tulpa at some point
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>>94537475
Take place in the 30's, then some other decade (60's? 80's?) and then present-day.
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>>94534158
WHAT'S with all of the BOLD text it's PRETTY irritating
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>>94537539
L A T I N A!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>94537475
Our opinions are irrelevant because period pieces are notoriously hard to market and rarely do well. Especially in a series where budget will be tough to manage.
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>>94534010
>almost 200 replies
The fuck ?
Since when do you guys know about the Shadow ?
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>>94537554
I'm not even off the first page and every other word is in bold. Like:
>Okay. Legs done. CHEST now.
There's no need for that
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>>94537600
We have Shadow storytimes all the time.
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>>94537593
Budget shouldn't be that big of an issue with The Shadow because most of his stories tend to be grounded in gritty detective noir. Of course there are multiple exceptions but these tend to be norm.
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>>94537600
Hate posting for (you)'s
It's the new hot thing
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>>94537694
yeah but the budget to recreate the clothing cars buildings etc would still be pretty steep
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>>94537600
Shadows we'll know around here we had a Death of Margo lane storytime not too long ago
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>>94534187
>>94534204
That's in poor taste. Like is this Columbine or every mass and or shooting? Because just boiling every incident like this is shitty. It's like if you had a not Jeffery Dhamer and said "LMAO i mean just get your dick sucked nigga you ain't gotta kill"
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>>94534581
I'd be more on board with this premise if it was a sort of "fish out of temporal water" type of story where The Shadow gets transported out of his usual environment and has to find a way to survive in present day so he can get back to the past.
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>>94537600
we don't but we know sjws
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>>94534250
This is disgusting
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>>94537726
Unfortunately.
But I think it can be worked around. Maybe film parts of it in England for that old architecture look or mostly keep things in-doors.
I don't really see how it can be done in a present day setting.

>>94537813
GOTTA GET BACK
BACK TO THE PAST
SHADOW JACK
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It's hard to believe that this is the same guy who wrote X-Men Legacy or Crossed WYWH

It's like politics sucked out his brain
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>>94537465
now that I would read.
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What a shameful waste of really good artwork. For this mess.
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>>94534405
What terrible bed side manner.
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I'm left leaning and even I think the messages here are oversimplified and heavy handed.

School shootings are all because of privileged white kids that resent minorities? C'mon.
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>>94537311
>>94537465
>I know what evils lurk in the heart of man, but no one knows the sadness that lurks in my own heart...
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>>94537985

>School shootings are all because of privileged white kids that resent minorities? C'mon.

Didn't the Columbine shootings specifically have a connection to that though? All that Trenchcoat Mafia/Neo-Nazi bullshit those two were into?
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>>94538145
Media hysterics just like how Doom made them do it
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>>94537799
It's basically Columbine in a New York school that somehow only has 1 Spanish girl saved by one of the more ridiculous NRA fantasies (the most tone deaf part of the whole comic) with some added lecture about privilege in 2007 before that was even really a topic of discussion, marketed towards the kind of people who drive girls like her out of their homes to open bars that sells bowls of fruit loops for 15 bucks because it's "ironic".
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>>94537600
Admittedly, Pulp's threads.
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>>94538145
That's still a gross over simplification. There are many factors that you have to take into account when looking at incidents like this. The book is just saying "They were white and didn't get their way so they shot some guys". Eric was seriously mentally ill when looking at the writings left behind. Also the Nazi stuff was over sold the same it "it was the vidya games". Like I said earlier it's like having a Dahmer figure in the book and saying "He was gay and couldn't control his urges properly, and that's why he did it."
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>>94537302
Who even owns the rights to The Phantom these days? I know Dynamite got the license for a few minis...
>>94537475
I think it could be done modern-day, with flashbacks to the 30's (with the obligatory "Wait, this guy was around 80 years ago? How the hell's he still alive?")
>>94537600
/co/ introduced me to The Shadow! I even /co/splayed as him for a few local cons, but I can't find photos of me doing so. Frankly, I wasn't that good a cosplayer.
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>>94538621
>Who even owns the rights to The Phantom these days?

King Features owns it outright, but they licensed to Dynamite and someone else, IIRC
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>>94538660
Wikipedia says Hermes Press have it, and from the looks of their Shopify site they're doing a damn good job of it - tons of reprints of comic strips and books alike, and a Peter David mini because why not?
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One issue in and this is already the worst Shadow story I've ever seen/listened to.
Its almost inspiring, really.
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>>94538817
Hey, at least it's not that time The Shadow went to Innsmouth, and it turned into an episode of Scooby fucking Doo at the end
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>>94538859
I honestly preferred that to this. It was the kind of bad that you could laugh about.
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Let's cheer this thread up a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE68oB02wbs
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>>94534437
Oh, fuck right off, comic.

The Shadow deserves better than to be some retard's political mouthpiece.
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>>94534581
Fuck it, I'm going to go and read the Shadow/Grendel crossover again.
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>>94536973
Fuck yes; I love this; have him still with his arts of the Orient, but add a huge dash of 80s/90s ESPer style powers to it as well.
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>>94537600
I love the Shadow; listened to all the radio plays, read the comics when they're story timed here. I keep trying to track down the original stories but they're a bit hard to find.
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>>94538145
No, it was because the main planner was a literal psychopath who wanted to be famous and he had a lackey who wanted validation.
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>>94534079
Why does everything drawn by Neal Adams have some inherent craziness to it now?
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>>94535320

Seriously, do you believe the bullshit coming out of your mouth?
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>Shadow comic turns out to be a power fantasy for cunt-mongering troglodytes to indulge in while wallowing in the echo-chamber of virtue-signalling and character assassinations of anyone that doesn't fit into your narrow view of what is acceptable and what is "literally hitler"
>anyone is surprised
Comics are fuckin' dead. Most of us are here out of habit and nostalgia at this point. Stop lying to yourself.
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Did they seriously do this shit thinking it would drum up sales or what?
What is there to gain?
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>>94535670
>The Shadow is the eternal symbol of how low Bruce could sink if he loses focus and sinks into depression
The fuck is this retard on about? The Shadow isn't a symbol for Batman, it's the other way around since Batman came after.
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>>94534437
>>94534468
Nurse could you stop changing the fucking channel I'm actually trying to watch Tv instead of listening to your godamn monologue
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>>94535465
Google has shown we're fucked either way.
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>>94534852
I actually like the Ennis Shadow run only because the villain gets nuked in the end plus the Ross covers were nice
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>>94536663
He finally gets a cell phone.
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>>94534437
could you imagine if this guy actually isn't the Shadow and this poor fuck has to sit helpless and listen to this bitch
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So when an overwhelming majority of the world's population fails to show proper adulation towards the God-Emperor, is your reaction closer to "bitter sorrow" or "impotent rage"?
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>>94534229
Why the fuck is the shadow shooting school shooters when Mexicans are lighting each other on fire below the border?
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the Shadow operates in modern day Mexico fighting the cartels and corrupt government officials.

Could that work?
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What the fuck is this shit? Why must they ALWAYS inject their pissy political agenda into comics?

I read comics to get away from this shit, not to be bludgeoned by it.
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>>94542092
Because whites are ebilllll mayo monsters and the Mexicans are just misunderstood victims.
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>>94541850
I'm leftie and this shit pisses me off all the time. Literally everything all the time has to be FUCK DRUMPF because lefties own the media to an insane degree. It's just boring and played out at this point and it's ruining everything.
Did you watch the Oscars? Jimmy Kimmel spent the entire 6 hours making Trump jokes the ENTIRE night, and all the awards seem to have been hand-picked based on liberal agenda over quality.

I'm fine with diversity, but LOL FUCK ALL WHITE PEOPLE THEY ARE ALL EVIL BLAME THEM FOR EVERYTHING is not diversity. It's racism, and it's a silly oversimplification.
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>>94534468
Really made me think.
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>>94542111
It probably would but it would ignite outrage over racism because #NOTALLMEXICANS
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>>94534010
>Spurrier
Nah, the first 3/4 of "Wish You were here," were enough forever.
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>>94534468
Lazy art is lazy.
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>>94534528
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>>94534717
>some of the very best Crossed
Lmao
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>>94542224
>>94542232
With the left always saying that whites are the evil bane of the universe, I wonder how long it'll take for them to actually take them up on that offer.

Kick a dog enough and eventually it'll snap back.
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What a useless first issue.
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>>94534010
>OP makes a joke about an SJW pandering version of the Shadow

MFW I read it & realize he isn't joking....
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>>94542459
Yeah but in this case the dog is an emasculated bitch who only whines about it online.
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>>94542459
that's what Trump's election was, and even if it wasn't that's what the left made it into so it's all good either way
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>>94534315
>>94534330
On the note of her description, I always liked that way of describing Darkman, which I guess could apply to the Shadow as well.

"He's a villain who battles other villains."
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>>94534010
Isn't The Shadow public domain? What if I have him kill BLM idiots and assassinate Hillary and Soros? Who would stop me?
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>>94542737
no unfortunately he's not public domain he's owned by Conde Nast, the same fags who own reddit apparently
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>>94534158
>in novel form this would never be published
>add pictures and suddenly dialogue this crap becomes acceptable

I should just go back to /lit/.
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>>94542855
What? Why wouldn't it be? Good books don't exist anymore. Prove me wrong by reading one to me.
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It's amazing how equally caustic both this comic and the people replying to OP are.
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>>94535783
That image is giving me a hernia. Is this what happens when your only source of news is liberal media outlets I mean it can't be that hard to fact check. Hell I wouldn't even mind his tirade on trump if any of the information was correct but instead its misinformed reactionary bullshit.
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>>94542909
This.

Most good writers gang up to write hit TV shows and Oscar-bait movies because those make fuckloads of money.
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The Shadow fought actual Nazis, communists, anarchists etc in their prime. Yeah but Grump is supposed to be the time he REALLY "resists" the bad guys.
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>>94542111
Sounds like a Zorro story, if I ever heard one.
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>>94542754
That's too bad. Wish I knew about public domain law.
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>>94535931
Well the thing is, it has to.

If Batman finally got fed up and killed all the villains, there'd be no more Batman stories cuz they wouldn't still be alive and able to keep pulling shit for Batman to stop.

They've written themselves into a corner by insisting that certain villains (ie the Joker) have to be in the story, but ALSO have to be constantly defeated by Batman. The problem is, if they're constantly defeated by Batman, how is it they keep managing to fuck with shit?

Thus the plot contrivances.
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>>94535688
Now wait, I thought the explanation was he found the 'gland' of the brain responsible for criminal impulses and removed it... then proceeded to have these men taught a trade and reintroduced to society?
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>>94535931
I'd think it's more The Shadow deciding that the lives of the civilians are worth more than the lives of the villains. Which seems.. reasonable.
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I move that this comic be stricken from the record
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>>94534437
Is Trump the second most hated US president in history? During his time in office, I mean.
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>>94540844
It's not that we are surprised, we just thought that The Shadow would avoid falling into this because of his current obscurity.

>>94538621
I'd love to cosplay The Shadow eventually even though absolutely no one in my region would recognize him.

>>94539610
I found this Tumblr page a while ago that has links to read all of The Shadow pulps, as well as other related books online, for free.
Ignore the blog itself because it's Tumblr cancer but this was a great find.
http://oldschoolcrimefighters.tumblr.com/wheretofind
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>>94544909
Absolute legend.
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>>94542973
That reminds me, didn't Black Terror inspire a couple of Mexican imitators in the Golden Age, too?
But yeah, modern Zorro battling the Cartels sounds awesome.
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>>94542973
One would think if #NOTALLMEXICANS was true somebody would've revived Zorro these days.
Oh but I forget 'diversity' only applies to niggers and mudslimes.
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>>94534010
This will finish that orange buffoon once and for all!
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>>94534010
This reads like a parody
>You've seen The Shadow fight gangsters, terrorists, asians, mad scientists, serial killers, evil clones, mongols, dictators, Nazis, Batman, Batman's enemies, tigers, magicians, dinosaurs, demons, and dissapointing results at the box office
>Now, prepare as he now has to face...
>DONALD DRUMPF
Who the fuck thought this was a good idea ?
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>>94534187
>Columbine
>Modern setting
>In a fucking Shadow comic

Dropped like a stone.
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>>94534437
>Shoving your agenda into fucking The Shadow

I want to smack the taste out of the writer's mouth.
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Would you approve of these choices for a live-action The Shadow series ?
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>>94545809
Considering how good the guy you have picked for The Shadow was in Baby Driver, I think he has the talent to pull off the role. The rest of the cast that I recognize seem solid as well.
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>>94534437
>"I-I fought in the first World War you know..."
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That was painful to read. Let's see if I can get through the list here.

>>94534158
>Latina woman with a dyke haircut
>Dragging Kaluta's name into this shit
>>94534187
>Obvious Columbine reference
>>94534250
>It burns when I pee
>>94534315
>Bashing heroes for saving people
>>94534330
>White privilege
>>94534437
>Silence? What silence? You've been talking nonstop to a man who has no choice, but to listen.
>Donald Trump
>>94534468
Nonstop political soap-boxing
>>94534528
More dick jokes.
>>94534581
>Amnesia

Why is this shit happening to The Shadow?
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>>94546285
Most people who try and cast The Shadow just pick an action star with a funny nose but he needs to be played by someone who's got experience playing villains or arrogant anti-heroes. Someone like Peter Cushing.
Hamm is not only perfect for Lamont Cranston, but Baby Driver shows he can pull off villains too.
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>>94537228
yeah I was actually reading something from about two or three years ago that said the mafia is still about 8000 members strong. I'd much rather read The Shadow vs The Sopranos than this garbage.
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>>94534619
You weren't the only one. I'm so glad I went with my gut on this one and chose not to pull it.
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>>94534158
>Kaluta
Does anyone else fucking hate shit like this ? When they put these references like they are making a clever pun ?
Snyder did the same shit in the first Batman/Shadow issue when he named the street Cranston was murdered at "Street & Smith" because HAHA THEY USED TO PUBLISH THE SHADOW ISN'T THIS CLEVER ?

>>94546632
Because someone looked at this old and slightly obscure pulp character with a small but dedicated fanbase and thought "hey, this seems like the perfect vehicle for my political soapboxing! I'm sure people will love it".
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>>94534405
Holy shit who the fuck talks to a patient like that fuck you
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>>94534250
Why would The Shadow stay physically young but his penis be old?
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This reads like a novelization of Ghostbusters 2016.
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>>94547056
I think he's supposed to be somewhat aged physically. He looks pretty old up here >>94534581.
I don't know what retarded excuse will they be using to explain his immortality
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>>94534010
This is going too far. The Shadow should be treated like a holy relic within the comic industry, not some asshole's soapbox.
There has to be something we can do to stop this.
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What are some comic review sites worth seeing if they take a look at this piece of shit? I want to see if it gets praised for being 'so brave' or if there's enough sane people left to realize what shit this is.
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>>94546650
Vincent Price is my choice.
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>>94547359
Vincent Price could play everyone and it would be entertaining

>>94547280
http://www.outrightgeekery.com/2017/08/02/shadow-1-review/
It's a positive review and it's the only one I could find
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>>94547280

America Chavez got 10/10s across the internet, despite the fact that the reviewers couldnt find a single legitimately good thing about it.

I doubt this will be different.
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https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/08/09/writers-commentary-si-spurrier-talks-the-shadow-1/

>A swift word on the three names in the byline too. Having signed-up for the gig, I dived into the chance to write this most legendary and pluripotent of characters with zeal. I toyed with the idea of doing – for want of a better phrase – a “straight” story. By which I mean a classic Shadow tale of criminals, spies, derring-do, espionage and shots fired in the darkness. A lovely little thriller, without much wider ambition. But after mulling it over – with the news blaring from the next room and my US pals wringing their hands at the daily cavalcade of unrealpolitik – the opportunity simply felt too singular, too timely, and too important, to miss. I decided to push it. To do something insanely challenging, something intricately structured, something dripping with meaning. I’ve waxed lyrical many times elsewhere about my agnostic relationship with The Superhero as a trope… well, here was a chance to write about one of the first, one of the purest, one of the most unshamedly monstrous. In today’s world of questionable truth, police brutality and open extremism, this felt like soil too fertile to ignore.

>This Shadow arc, be warned, is very consciously about stuff.

>Note, by the way, that his judgment of these two kids – “born to a privilege you neither deserved nor noticed” – “no idea you began life on a pedestal” – “and as the world improves for those beneath you your empire erodes” — applies to a frighteningly huge contingent of the western world. And, on a slightly closer-to-home level, IMO is the guiding toxicity behind a scary majority of comic book discourse online.
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>>94548047
>To do something insanely challenging
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>>94548047
>And, on a slightly closer-to-home level, IMO is the guiding toxicity behind a scary majority of comic book discourse online.
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I like it. Just seems like /pol can't handle propaganda fights when it comes to nutting up. Don't worry, pol, you still have state run television now to tell you what you want to hear.
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>>94548047
>>94548248
Comics and those who defend them make me want to be dead
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>>94534330
tumblr shadow best shadow
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>>94534330
This is so fucking hammy
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>>94547235
this
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>>94548248
First off, what state run television in the Western world is pro-/pol/? Second, this is nothing to do with /pol/. The Shadow's fought fascists, crime, stuck up for the little guy, etc but this is just a very clumsy adaptation that doesn't fit at all. Square peg, round hole.
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>>94548047
>To do something insanely challenging, something intricately structured, something dripping with meaning
i can´t believe this is real
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>>94546632
That's a pretty good summary.
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>>94548047
>receives the opportunity to write a story of The Shadow
>decides to waste it on shoehorned political garbage and using the character as a vehicle for soapboxing
I usually don't care whenever some superhero gets turned into a left-wing puppet by writers who just want to babble about their opinions with the characters as mouthpieces.
But as someone who has been a fan of The Shadow for more than a decade and has spent years writing down ideas for a revival, and has seen this character in need of one, this infuriates me on a very personal level.
This entitled imbecile has received the opportunity of a lifetime and he's pissing all over it to satisfy his ego.

Fuck you, Spurrier. Fuck you and your blatant disrespect of this character and his legacy. Fuck you and everything you stand for and everything you think The Shadow should stand for.

>To do something insanely challenging, something intricately structured, something dripping with meaning
And fuck off with this bullshit.
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shame this is so stupid

the art is good, and modern day shadow reboot would be cool
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>>94546632
>It burns when I pee
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>>94534330
I actually liked this until he started talking.

As aweful and fucked up as school shootings are, the kids who do them are mentally ill. Demonizing them is a knee jerk. I'd be more OK if it were adults (which is more common these days)
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>>94534330
>The Shadow monologuing about white privilege
>this coming from the character who was literally worshipped as a "white god" in an Xinca village

And holy fuck why is The Shadow fighting school shooters and talking to them like they are the big bad villains deserving of the karmic takedowns he usually does ? This is so fucking below him.
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I'm glad you guys are (presumably) fans of the Shadow too because at least I don't have to suffer alone through this.
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>>94548866
This, this, this, this. THIS.
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>>94536669
>glitzy high tech cyberpunk dysotopian future
>guy with an upturned collar looking like he walked out of the roaring 20's walks in and empties a .45 into everyone before they can draw their stun batons and flechette guns
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>>94548925
Actually he's got a good point; the way to do the Shadow is to take his morality and old-fashioned approach to crime and apply it straight, especially in a typical cyberpunk dystopia.
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>>94548964
I wasn't memeing, it actually sounds good to me. I eat that kind of crack shit up. Like Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd century. Or that Phantom cartoon that took place in the future
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>>94548866
Honestly, I've never gone 'Not a real fan' before, but this makes me wonder if he's ever had any real exposure to the Shadow. Or if he's just so blind not to see how his soapboxing doesn't fit the character at all.
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>>94548817
And it's completely out of place.
Those karmic takedowns are great because they are deserved. They come at the end of the story after the villain's plans were uncovered and foiled and they are given to characters who are mass murderers or madmen bent on world domination or both. People who deserve to have a spectre of vengeance coming after them and wearing them down verbally, mentally and physically.

These are two lowly idiot kids who flipped out and decided to take revenge and kill people and that's it. Even if they weren't mentally ill and were just edgelords with guns it's still way too much for them.
For Christ's sake this is the kind of shit that The Shadow sends Joe Cardona or Harry Vincent to deal with on an ordinary Tuesday morning. The fact that he is not only there himself, but goes so far as to use his powers (which he generally reserves) and treat them like they are his fucking archenemies is all kinds of pathetic and stupid.
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>>94548047
>And, on a slightly closer-to-home level, IMO is the guiding toxicity behind a scary majority of comic book discourse online.

hee ho hee ho
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>>94549010
He clearly has read Kaluta's In The Coils of Leviathan (which is a fantastic comic by the way) considering he made that reference and this series' title is The Shadow: Leviathan.
I think he's just blinded by his own arrogance and projecting what he wants into The Shadow and his new companion. He clearly doesn't understand the character as I described >>94535218
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>>94549032
Remember, words are violence.
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>>94549082
A terrifying ideology indeed. They try to ban even thoughts.
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Would you watch a Shadow cartoon on a similar vein to Batman TAS or the HBO Spawn series, or would you prefer something live-action instead ?
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>>94549211
It would have to be HBO because The Shadow kills people. And yes.
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At least the art is good?

>Making The Shadow into a full body 3rd degree burn victim

Is this a fucking joke about Darkman, aka Not!The Shadow?
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>>94549211
Holy shit, yes.
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>>94534330
They were going to kill themselves after this. Why the fuck would you do them a favor. Not only are most people in this situation outcastes and usually borderline poor but they are also incredibly suicidal. This is their last little moment before they kill themselves. Why would you give them the satisfaction of killing them. I don't know anything about the shadow but this is just incredibly retarded logic.
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>>94549275
The oversimplification of the circumstances and mentalities that lead to school shootings is ironic, given the left's habit of romanticizing mental illnesses and disadvantages.
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>>94547235
Spam the shit out of Dynamite. It's all we can really do.
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>>94549275
>>94548817
These (admittedly the earlier post is mine)

Demonizing the mentally ill? Sounds like the Author needs to check his privilege :^)

For a grown man to come in and murder some highschool students and then talk to them about how fake their despair and illness is beggars belief. No, even more than that, The Shadow is a reactionary force to injustice that cannot be handled by societies law due to the complications of corruption. He wouldn't be here. How would he even know it's happening? He has powers but he's not a superhero.

If you wanted to somehow, someway make this even VAUGLY Shadow appropriate, one of the shooters ought to fail to kill themselves but because they have a rich and powerful father, they get off on insanity defense and get shipped to Europe to a "mental hospital" that's really just a resort to keep the kid out of sight and out of mind. Also the father peddles cocaine. So the Shadow shows up and kills THE FATHER and hands the son OVER TO THE AUTHORITIES.

There is no Karmic Justice in murdering insane 16 year olds. It's the same kind of twisted power fantasy he's accusing those kids as having. And even though The Shadow is, admittedly, more of a villain who happens to do good things, he's self aware enough to realize that.
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>>94546650
Cushing
Vincent Price
Christopher Lee
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>>94549275
>I don't know anything about the shadow
I'm really sorry that this is your introduction to the character.

>>94549259
>aka Not!The Shadow?
Which one ? There are dozens of them out there.

In all seriousness, The Shadow having vicious scars underneath his cloaked disguise is actually something that was from the pulps, particularly in the first ones before the Kent Allard identity was introduced. At times he was described as either having a ghoulish scarred face or just being outright faceless like Slender Man.
And since The Shadow doesn't technically have a real origin anyway this could still be canon depending on what you choose to believe.
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>>94549453
I specifically said Darkman, who was made because they couldn't get the rights
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>>94535783
but Minifig hillary was ugly and uncharismatic and also the jews and and and the corporations!
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>>94536199

at least he doesn't tap the chests of female heroes and say "b-cup city right here...obviously SJW created"
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>>94535702
>the eternal centrist

Kill yourself
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I like the art at least. Except all the pages with the nurse. Those are lazy repastes. The Shadow is properly ominous and dynamic though
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>>94534330
>A grown-ass man crippling and shit-talking a mentally ill teenager.

How badass of him. Wicked sense of humor too.
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>>94536909
i was thinking exactly this. Why would they do this after they saw the reactions from updated vampirella?
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>>94542656
He is absolutely a villain that has been turned loose on other villains. Even in the radio show, that vibe came across strongly. "As inevitable as a guilty conscience."

Shame this new run is shaping up to be a disaster.
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>>94549595
You choose conflict because it's only through conflict you know yourself. Study yourself, and choose peace instead.
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>>94549571
>>94535783
>he unironically wants the Midwest to be replaced with Mexicans
I want unAmerican faggots to fuck off to Canada already.
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>>94534010
This is the guy who know what evil lurks in the hearts of men right?
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>>94549659
There is no peace beyond what we make anon.
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>>94534364
Now Shadow,, you don't understand them because of your "LOL U JUST ANGRY WHITE MALE" retard logic.

Fuck this edgy SJW power fantasy.
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>>94545809
I don't even know who the Voodoo Master is but Javier is amazing and I want him to play a Shadow villain.
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>>94548727
>I usually don't care whenever some superhero gets turned into a left-wing puppet by writers who just want to babble about their opinions with the characters as mouthpieces.
>But as someone who has been a fan of The Shadow for more than a decade

Well there's you're problem right there, friend.

You didn't give a shit when SJWs were turning every other character into radical leftist garbage.

Now it happened to one you like.
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>>94535377
>British tripfag believes dumb shit

What a shock
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>>94549681
I agree, peace is an uphill battle and very counter to the desires of our animal selves. Listen to your human self. Choose peace, love and understanding.
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>>94549659
>Durr u think u vote one way because of economic policies but it actually cuz u liek 2 fight

You are so fucking retarded it's amazing
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>>94549211

absolutely but no HBO. HBO means we will see shit like lesbians using strapons on one another for no raisn. If it was a Netflix series i would absolutely watch it.
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>>94549526
I know, I made a joke at how many Shadow knock-offs exist.

>>94549667
He also knows that the weed of crime bears bitter fruit and that crime does not pay.
He knows a lot of things. Too bad Spurrier doesn't seem to care about them.
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>>94549744
See >>94549746

Then kill yourself
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>>94549664

Grand Wizard I don't give a shit who lives in the mid west i care that our country not be run by a buffoon.
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>In the event, no sooner had I written issue 1 than my life hit some unforeseen complications. A parallel gig became an unavoidable timesuck - occupying me fulltime for several months - and coincided with a major relocation of my home and family. In despair I realized there was no way I could do justice to this elaborate, ambitious story I’d opted to tell, without first engaging some help. So I turned to another friend, Dan Watters. a young writer of exceptional talent, he first caught my eye with his retro-voodoo-sci-fi noir book Limbo, with Caspar Wijngaard, from Image Comics. From issue #2 of this Shadow arc onwards, Dan and I have slipped into a thoroughly delightful symbiosis, with him doing the lion’s share of the heavy lifting: spinning script gold from the straw of my egregiously long and frighteningly fiddly outlines. You are, I assure you, in safe hands.

Amazing. Admits that he's incapable of writing, and gets someone to come in and write it for him, as if he were the James Patterson of comics.
Does this mean this thing might not be shit moving forward? Dan Watters is uknown to me as I dipped from the comic scene ages ago because the kinda shit that we got in #1 turned me off. Here I was, a fan of the Shadow, thinking I was surely safe to return...
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>>94549782
He literally didn't even write the series. Christ.
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>>94536239
>hipster metalfag

fixed.
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>>94549746
>>94549756
I'm not talking about voting, I'm talking about the base way in which you interact with other human beings.

Conflict is easy. It's simple to dislike someone because their difference from you makes your life more difficult. An animal could understand that feeling; everything is territory, everything is breeding and preserving the DNA. But we live in a much more interesting and complex world than animals do. We have the capability to discard these lower compunctions and strive for something greater. A common destiny, a common heart. There is NO reason for an enlightened individual to choose conflict. Peace is so much better. Respect for other organisms is so much better. I hope you see that one day.
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>>94549709
I can't argue with that
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>>94536239
you would think but he already said on twitter that he is dreading reading this issue so maybe he will skip it.
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>>94534528
Penis forensics sciences is a thing?!
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>>94549857
I hope he doesn't.
This comics seems just tailored to trigger Razorfish as much as possible and for all his faults, he is pretty entertaining to watch when he is not so completely ludicrously misinformed and wrong about something.
He needs to tear this shit apart and reach more people to let them know how the character is being bastardized and to boycott this comic.
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>>94549835
Hope you enjoy those "peaceful" muslims who move into your neighborhood and limit your free speech.
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>>94534010
You try way too hard, summerfag.
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>>94549835
yeah well ur a poop head
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>>94549898
Read the issue. Read the thread.
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>>94549898
He is trying way, way, way too fucking hard. But you know Summer is a myth. A convenient lie we tell ourselves to feel better. Like "4chan used to be good" or "Comics will be good again some day"
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>B-BLONALD!
>L-LATINA!!!!
Has there ever been anyone more triggered than this OP?
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>>94549890
I like Razor when he's wallowing in his obsession with something - his videos about The Shadow, Battletech, 80s action films. I can't stand his political rants. I get enough of that stuff elsewhere, I'd rather see people exposing me to new stuff that they're passionate about.
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>>94549894
Free Speech isn't limited under Sharia law. Those who live with it simply feel no need to speak out because they feel just and whole for the first time.
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>>94549934
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>>94549918
>But you know Summer is a myth.
No shit. Doesn't mean I'm not going to call someone a summerfag for acting underage.

>4chan used to be good
It used to be better, though.
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>>94549922
He's pretty trigger but the comic is shit. He should have kept his mouth shut.

>>94549934
Stonings are free as well.
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>>94549929
Yeah his Elric videos were so good. I wish he would focus more on media because he is at his best with that stuff.
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>>94549922
Nah, that's not triggered.

Triggered would be saying that you felt threatened by this comic and demanding the writer be sacked and no comics like this should be made because they hurt your feelings and words are violence.

OP is pointing out, quite rightly, that this is shit soapboxing nonsense that will be outdated and doesn't mesh well with the character, neither does it take advantage of the character and what he offers a writer. It's interchangeable. This could be any comic coming out of the US for the last ten months.
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>>94550123
>outdated
Can't happen fast enough. Thank all that is good most of generation Z thinks SJWs are cancer as well. I feel truly bad for them though, they have a lot of shit to clean up.
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There's lot of people who are hating on this comic for world-building by making sure it's set in real-world-events. You should be looking at it from the other direction: This is how The Shadow can step into that setting. Lamont Cranston. Henry Arnaud. This is just how he gains a new name, a new identity. This isn't Batman, where he goes back to triangle sandwiches in a mansion. This is the Shadow, where he fights and claws his way back from death and keeps on clawing and fighting anyone and everyone who dares to murder, hunt the innocent, or generally do harm to the good people.
What would the Shadow do in a world of telemarketers, LA drug gangs, idiot-teens who steal to pay for their Warcraft-gold addiction, politicians corrupt on a world-wide scale, and gun-runners and drug-pushers in urban areas the size of the cities of the 1930's? This issue was just set-up, as is normal for a first issue. I'll wait until the next few to see if it's bad, because so far it's good.
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>>94549630
>>94536909
I assume they just want to try multiple takes. I just couldn't care less about this because Dynamite has like what, 50 different contradictory series? There's the Ennis version, there's the Chaykin comics which still connect with his 80's Shadow mini, there was "Shadow Now" by David Liss which has The Shadow in the modern day but references the Chaykin mini. There's the Matt Wagner stuff which is also in its own corner, there's Michael Uslan's stuff which is also its own universe since it doesn't connect with The Shadow or Doc Savage stuff they've been publishing, there was the Masks series that Chris Roberson did and Cullen Bunn later did, there was also Cullen Bunn's Shadow, there was that one-shot about The Shadow getting transported into the future, there was the Twilight Zone miniseries, and so on.

If this new series doesn't do well they'll just do something else again.
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>>94550187
Where did you grab this from the bleeding cool comment section?
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>>94550187
The Shadow has bigger fish to fry than two fuckhead kids in middle america. If anywhere, he'd be down south along the border fighting Los Narcos
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>>94549929
>>94550090
Even his media-focused videos are starting to lose their quality. His one about the Ramones had him going on an autistic rant for a few minutes and then stealthily insult a dead murdered musician.
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Do people hate school shooters now, or is it just Spurrier?
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>>94550269
No, I hate the fact that this is something best left to local law enforcement. The shadow maiming some random school shooters isn't gong to do jack shit to solve the problem.
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>>94535377
There is zero evidence, it's a bunch of speculation and the Trump Administration being terrible at their jobs
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>>94550269
No one likes school shooters but they're clearly mentally ill.
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>>94534010
Ah, Fort Rocky. How we have muchly missed thee on Ultimates. This is a fucking awesome cover.
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>>94550257
I show up for the autistic rants. I like to live vicariously through other people when it comes to their often insane levels of fascination for a show/book/comic/movie/game/etc. I envy them because I'm dead inside from the dullness of every day life, and use their passion as a way to try and mimic excitement and happiness.
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>>94535465
Trump didn't make these people crazy, he just removed their masks.
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>>94535783
You're the kind of fag who posts "b-b-but the emails" whenever Trump does something stupid without actually having read the emails yourself. The fact that you can believe that Trump has done anything compared to the Clintons shows your stupidity and ignorance. And before you call me a Trump supporter I voted for Tom Selleck as a write-in
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>>94550380
And to agree with you, they would've emerged from the societal woodwork regardless of who won the election. This is a cultural shift that has been in the works for some time. The only difference is instead of feeling empowered by a "progressive" candidate that they feel represents their ideals, they feel threatened by Trump. It is two sides of the same shit-coin.
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>>94534602

Guess I shouldn't have used the monkey's paw to wish for another Shadow solo series.

The previous Ennis, Gischler and Roberson runs weren't great but they were masterpieces compared with this.
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>>94548047
CHILDLESS
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>>94550436
WEIRDOS
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>>94549748
sense8 on jewflix had lezzies and strapons. srry buddy
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>>94534010
>Those aren't 1911's

Yeah, fuck this.
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>>94550453
Yeah, everything about this is fucked.
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>>94548047
Wew lad.

You blew your once chance to do something new and interesting, in favor of a stereotypical "FUCK BLONALD AND FUCK WHITE PEOPLE."

Sickening.
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Jesus christ this feels like trash i wrote when i was 12
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>>94534187
At least they made one of the shooters a PoC
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>>94546766
That's just Italians. America has criminals from all over the world. Cartels, Bratvas, Tongs, etc.
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>>94550436
>>94550441
?
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>>94535218
>I guess the point he's trying to make is that >Batman and etc beating up people but still calling themselves heroes because they don't kill people is dishonest but The Shadow is okay because he makes no such pretensions.

This is such immature highschool-level thinking. Middle school even. I refuse to believe this comic was written by anyone but an edgy, nerdy highschooler.
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>>94546870
No. I love this stuff. Now go back to your garbage can.
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>>94550381
>I voted for Tom Selleck as a write-in

So you're an idiot, as well as an unAmerican traitor.
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>>94550337
A whole buncha intelligence agencies say otherwise.
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>>94534027
>>94534061
Those covers are legitimately good
>>94534103
A bit weak.
>>94534103
Would have been good if not for that goon's face.
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>>94551340
Did you even read their report?

The entire thing was just implying that what your average "nigerian prince" is capable of phishing must have somehow been the work of a highly organized counter intelligence group.

At least for two pages, and the other 20 were "how to not fall for retarded phishing scams."
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>>94543546

Something like that; the DC comic retconned it to "lobotomies LOL".
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>>94534330
>>94534342
>t-that'll show those meanies at 4chan!
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>>94534592
The nose has always been a prosthetic.
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>>94534754

I'm curious as to why a medical professional couldn't have just said "penis"...
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>>94543546
that's just too damn silly
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>>94551433
Its funnier. Like, imagine a male doctor saying "old woman pussy".

That's definitely funnier than vagina.
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>>94536595
>as much as it being shown IN YOUR FACE
Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Comic Bullying Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Walk Away From The Book Like Nigga Close Your Eyes Haha
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>>94551365
Wow. Did Alex Jones tell you that?
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>>94534158
It puts the lotion on its skin bump
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>>94551527
I read the report myself, instead of relying on some MSM clickbait piece like "INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY RELEASES REPORT ON RUSSIAN HACKING", while conveniently leaving out the report contains no evidence of RUSSIAN involvement.
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>>94551546
>I read the report myself
Sure.
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>>94534486
>Why are you telling me this?
This is the protagonist a reader can relate to.
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>>94535783
>use in the case of YEAH WELL HILLARY
What good are outright lies?
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>>94534437
Soapbox Comics are so fucking stupid
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>>94534364
>>94534386
its a reference to the shadows classic line

"who knows what darkness lies in the hearts of men... the shadow knows....."

i used to be a big shadow buff when i was younger
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can we just simply NUKE or do the same shit as Escape from LA intro to the entire SoCAL

really the big One is TAKING TOO LONG!
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>>94535676
They want casual fans which sparks hope of movie money for their properties.

Despite movies having been made in the past with no lasting appeal.
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>>94551726
I got into it when I worked at my college's radio station -- had to play old radio shows for a portion of night shows.

Good stuff.
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>>94548047
>applies to a frighteningly huge contingent of the western world
That americuck didnt even realised how true he was.
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>it's a fuck drumpf and fuck white people episode

I'm waiting for the sales. I'm sure they'll be stellar.
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>>94550123
>Triggered would be saying that you felt threatened by this comic and demanding the writer be sacked and no comics like this should be made because they hurt your feelings and words are violence.
So, exactly like OP and other mommy's lil' alt-rights in the thread?
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>>94551780
it would have worked much better if they adapted it in the time period it was set in. a kind of noir-film pulpy adaptation. i can imagine the artstyle, very sleek and stylish with some of the flair you would see in the old timey movie/musical posters of the day
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>>94547235
It already happened, best you can do is move on
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>>94537901
Pretty standard for modern writers.
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>>94542111
Trips confirm that that would be a fantastic story.
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>>94537901
I really like what I´ve read of Spurriers work but this one is a dud. Real shame cuz he clearly has some talent
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>>94534468

whoa
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Did comics back in the 90's hammer as relentlessly on Bill during the whole Monica / impeachment the way it does today with Trump?
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>>94552773
Nope.
Bill was a Democrat.
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>>94536507
The scarf was present in many george rozen covers for the pulps, Anon.
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>>94553217
It was his cloak collar turned up with the red lining exposed, eventually somebody decided a scarf would do the same thing but look a little more cool
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>>94553217
It isn't, it is merely the red lining of the cloak turned up for a visual effect.
It was not in any of the illustrations made by the Rozen brothers, it wasn't in any of the serials or the newspaper comics at the time, and it wasn't in any of the illustrations of the character made for promotion or radio. And the Archie series didn't introduce it.
It started appearing only at the DC series to accomplish the same effect.

I'm not complaining, I think the scarf is cool as fuck and it's one of the most distinct parts of his get-up.
I'm just saying that it's not canon because it isn't.
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>>94549769
>I don't care about neighborhoods and towns being replaced demographically by foreigners who believe the land to be part of their home country and don't give a rat's ass about the Constitution or the Founding Fathers or American traditions and values; my children's futures be damned.
But Trump made a stupid tweet so we must get rid of the only candidate who's even incidentally Pro-America I guess.
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>>94534330
>>94534437
>mfw
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>>94536663
Have it set in somewhere like Chicago or south of the border.
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>leftists believe diversity from immigrants made America great
>only want black and arab characters and a token hispanic thrown in on occasion

Where are the Italian heroes? The Polish heroes? The Irish? All of those were immigrants who helped build this country and faced prejudice at some point. When do they get their due?
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>>94549211
I'd watch a Grey Ghost cartoon in a heartbeat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr-8PNLsXHI
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>>94553574
Never. And They need to shut The Fuck Up
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>>94534010
>>94534027
>>94534061
>>94534079
>>94534103
>>94534158

>>Covers look AWESOME
>>turn page
>>Interior art looks like SHIT

Every time, comics.
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>>94550436
>>94550441
He's not wrong about these people being exactly that.
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>>94534437
Could somebody explain the thought process behind this shit these days?
Your industry is objectively on the skids but you keep poking a hornet's nest that's bound to if not piss people off but make them utterly sick and tired of seeing this brought up constantly? Why? What's behind it?
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>>94553719
They live in their own bubble.
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>>94547235
>>94549325
Take it to the Dynamite Forums? It's the one place where the people in charge of Dynamite actually go to since so many people there just praise their comics.
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>>94553914
I guarantee they will ban you for being homophobic, racist, sexist, ableist, holocaust-denying, etc etc
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ITT: butthurt potential school shooters
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>>94545809
>>94546650
Do we need to redo The Shadow so soon? You didn't like Alec Baldwin as The Shadow?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJX60CSED1s
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>>94534204
>get bullied for years with teachers and administration turning a blind eye
>snap and get revenge
>"entitled nice guys"

Do people like the writer or his mouthpiece ever realize that they're part of the problem?
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>>94534010
So I used to listen to the Shadow on audio tape, I don't remember him using a gun.
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>>94554066
All the comic needed was a line saying how video games corrupted them and the bullshittery would be complete.
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Nobody is going to read this shit and it's going to fade away into the giant blob of desperate SJW comics already out there, there's not even anything on Google except that long masturbation post by Spurrier.
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So I'm listening to these old radio stories, and they feel audibly warm, this is nice.
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>>94542092
>whataboutalism
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>>94554178
The thing is, it's really really hilarious that The Shadow, of all characters became SJWified. I wonder if they do the same with Doc Savage
>and today, Doc Savage will finally solve the problem of white privilege and institutional racism
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>>94550564
>At least
Why? Aren't most of the guys shooting in schools white?
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>>94536663
Have him fight actual evil.

You know what evil is? It's not mentally ill white kids who got bullied a lot and Trump who is admittedly a dumbass who used to do sketchy shit in real estate.

It's below the border. It's a generation of Mexican Narcos who grew up as farmers and saw that way of life die with their parents and saw the easy money to be found in just killing people.

Fuckers who grew up eating pig gruel and getting beat by their dads.

Or fuck terrorists. There are fucking terrorists everywhere. Their name is fucking terror and those who cause.
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>>94554310
too problematic
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>>94554243

>I wonder if they do the same with Doc Savage

Shane Black is writing/directing the Doc Savage movie, and say what you want about him but he's not known for being a PC guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDYVAUHHcZo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS0hJdkTLtg
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>>94554310
As long as they're white, male, American terrorists, then sure!
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>>94534250
Why is the though of a nurse jacking off patients to make them feel better so hot?
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Liberals can't write the Shadow since he's a character with self-awareness.
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>>94554380
Tender loving is pretty awesome.
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>>94549934
>Defneding Sharia Law

And just like that, you've lost the debate. Good try, better luck next time.
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>>94534935
This guy's comics look more like parodies of racist comics
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>>94554402
Pretty sure that was bait.
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DC (and Dark Horse) will probably remain the best interpretations of Shadow, Savage, Avenger, etc.
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>>94551863
None of us feel physically threatened by this comic you unbelievable assclown. We're rightly upset that some one published this affront to a beloved character, but we're. It going to go out and complain that every single comic needs to cater to our preferences. This comic has a right to exist, and we have every right to point out how awful it is, and why no one should buy it.
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>>94553988
Yep. All of them crying "D-dont't politicize muh comics!" but they have fucking Putin's idea of not politicizing something.
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>>94554310
It would also be interesting how the Shadow's schtict of fear would work in a culture of fatalism.
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>>94554468
>Putin argument again
>meanwhile EU is doing NS II for no reason other than politics
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>>94554096
In the radio show, due to different standards, he wasn't allowed to just shoot and kill people.
But in the majority of drawings of the character the twin pistols are practically glued to his hands.

>>94554030
Well it's been over 23 years since that movie, and in 12 years from now the character is going to be a century old. And he's never had a tv series besides a failed 1954 pilot.

>You didn't like Alec Baldwin as The Shadow?
I think Alec Baldwin was decent. He was a pretty charming Lamont Cranston but his Shadow was quite lacking. It feels like they cast him for star power.

I like the movie in it's cheesy glory, and it has a gorgeous look and soundtrack, but all things considered, it is a bad Shadow movie. It takes too many cues from comic book movies and Tim Burton's Batman and tries to apply a tone and approach to the character that is ill-fitting and does little to set him apart from the other superheroes that 90s audiences had already began to be tired of. The tone should be closer to something like the Daredevil series, or No Country For Old Men. The movie discarded a lot of the things that made The Shadow unique. Russell Mulcahy was the wrong director.
And the plot and characters of the movie are weak because it tried to cram all 4 Shiwan Khan novels as well as an origin story (another mistake when adapting The Shadow) into a 1.5 hour runtime, and this simply can't be done.

I'm not saying that The Shadow doesn't have silly moments or that it should be srs business 100% (there's a pulp story where he talks to beavers), but if the movie's job was to reintroduce audiences to The Shadow and sell them on what makes the character work so they could have a franchise, it failed hard at it.

Again, I don't hate the movie, it's fun and enjoyable and gorgeous, but it got a lot of things backwards and at the end it failed and helped to reinforce the stigma that The Shadow is too old and pulpy to be interesting again. And I don't think this is true.
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>>94554030
>>Do we need to redo The Shadow so soon?

They did a new version of Batman like almost immediately after DKR, on top of the various versions before. Hellboy is getting a reboot. There are three different versions of Spider-Man at this point. Plenty of time has passed for a new version of The Shadow.
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>>94554565

>I like the movie in it's cheesy glory, and it has a gorgeous look and soundtrack, but all things considered, it is a bad Shadow movie

I 100% agree, but honestly the movie is so fucking gorgeous and the screenplay has such a goofy, weird sense of humor that I can't really bring myself to care. It's full of deadpan 1940's zingers and darkly funny sight gags for seemingly no reason, and has an ending that both directly references classic Orson Welles noir and Buster Keaton at the same time because apparently Koepp wanted to add everything from classic Hollywood he could. I can't help but love it even if it's a pretty bad Shadow movie.

>Russell Mulcahy was the wrong director.

The man directed Highlander, if he wanted to he could have made it dark and gritty. It's just that everyone wanted a bite of the Tim Burton Batman apple, so they all had to have that darkly camp tone.

To The Shadow's credit, it's at least a DIFFERENT darkly camp tone then Burton. And remember, if we never had that Shadow movie we would have never gotten Darkman too.
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>>94554458
>We're rightly upset that some one published this affront to a beloved character, but we're not going to go out and complain that every single comic needs to cater to our preferences.
And yet, that's exactly what you do.

>None of us feel physically threatened by this comic you unbelievable assclown.

>>94554528
Yes, and it is coming from the one who lives under him for fucking 18 years. It all started with "don't politicize the movies, we should keep the good memory of our glorious ancestors who fought in the war" in the direction of the artists who made something at least slightly critical to stalinism. Now it is basically "don't politicize the fact that truckers protesting against the robbery laws are facing the tanks of the national guard and freedom of speech is shut down along with the internet anonymity because if you do you are literally an agent of the western devils". "You should not bring politics to (anything)" means "You should passively agree with anything i say or do and if you are not doing that than you are an extremist". Always.
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>>94554792
>None of us feel physically threatened by this comic you unbelievable assclown.
*Especially this guy: >>94553505
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>>94554792
>don't politicize the movies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taras_Bulba_(2009_film)

Putin was putting politics in everything he could. Also, Russia is thousand of years behind the western world. You don't understand what democracy is, and you never lived in a relatively free country.
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>>94553418
To be fair the radio shadow is far different anyway so it's kind of an unfair comparison. Well, EITHER of the radio versions since he began as a radio character prior to the pulps. I wish we had some of those preserved beyond just The Laugh and famous "weed of crime" monologue which was heard in the beginning of the Welles episodes. Given this, frankly, "canon" is a fairly pointless consideration when talking about The Shadow because really all you're talking about is his various incarnations. So whether it's the second radio incarnation that introduced his power of Cloud Men's Minds or the pulps or various comic versions or the Baldwin movie (which sort of had the scarf though it was used more like a giant turtleneck).

The red lining of the cloak, for whatever it is worth, definitely a part of the character in the pulps as in it is mentioned in the stories and not just the art. Though, honestly, I'd have to reread the early stories to figure out which came first. The scarf honestly works better, at least in my opinion. Far better to pull off in a film (though any modern attempt to bring him back to the big screen has faltered) and honestly same in comics. The collar works in a cover but from panel to panel it would get awkward.
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>>94535592
>MUH EMAILS
pathetic
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>>94554860
good work, have a hillary cent
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>>94534158
Why does she NEED to mention race? "Latino" isn't even a race it's more of a geographical thing. Americans are so obsessed with race it's honestly a little scary.
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>>94554823
>you never lived in a relatively free country
We had Pskow respublic, Novgorod respublic, Russian respublic (February to October'1917) and 1991-1993 (1999 if you are being generous). Tl;dr - it is not much, but we sure as hell wouldn't mind one, just not done by the former elite That's why October'17 happened (with devastating results) and why October'93 happened too (and failed, thus paving way for the today's shitshow of african/south american style dictatorship.

>Putin was putting politics in everything he could.
That's exactly my point. But when everybody else did this, that "do not politicize" shitstorm started everytime.
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>>94554565
This was the thirties and forties (and a bit in the early fifties), he had no real prohibition against using firearms and in fact used them in several episodes. Far closer to the truth, I would argue, is that since he was already INVISIBLE just letting him shoot his way to a solution was just too easy and killed dramatic tension. This forced him to outthink the villain or allow their schemes to backfire so they destroy themselves. Guns are just too easy for him. Same reason why they played with but never consistently had The Shadow throw his voice to disguise his true location when people try to attack the spot they think he is.
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>>94554808
My statement had nothing to do with the comic, assclown.
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>>94535868
>this is wrong, but I won't say why
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>>94554792
>Yes, and it is coming from the one who lives under him for fucking 18 years
Yet you're trying to import his brand of politics elsewhere like a KGB shill.
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>>94554933
The point is that there is constant smear campaign towards a mediocre president 24/7 and it's getting tedious. At the same time, the very same people who criticize president were the first to suck Putin's cock. I don't like trump, but I hate the hypocrisy of the left-wingers.
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>>94554964
>Merkel, Macron
>allies
pick one and only one. for starters
The rest would probably take a fucking wall text that no one would read anyway. And given that this thread is over 500+ posts, there is no point anyway.
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>>94554959
>My statement had nothing to do with the comic, assclown.
That should be the motto of the board.
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>>94554971
It is not me crying about "keep politics out of the comics" (read: "keep my agenda in and every else out").
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>>94554831
>I wish we had some of those preserved beyond just The Laugh and famous "weed of crime" monologue
You mean Frank Readick Jr ? Or James La Curto ?
As far as I know none of La Curto's recordings have survived since it's Frank's voice that opens up the Welles episodes.
But there are a few other files from Readick's Shadow are preserved
https://shadowsanctum.com/secretfiles/2/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z34jRPoF_2Y

>canon" is a fairly pointless consideration when talking about The Shadow
To an extent I agree, but it's clear that I'm talking about the pulps since that's where The Shadow was born as a character and more than just a voice

>>94554704
The climax of the movie being a reference to Lady Of Shanghai was one of the things I loved the most about it. And it's clear a lot of thought went into the movie's production to make it a big summer blockbuster.
I know it seems I hate the movie because I critique it so harshly but I don't, I'm just frustrated over how it had so much potential but went backwards on some of the most important aspects and failed at the box office.

>The man directed Highlander, if he wanted to he could have made it dark and gritty
It's not just about being dark and gritty. Russel is a very flashy, very in-your-face style of filmmaker who specialized in music videos, and who clearly shows competence for action. But The Shadow is slower paced, more methodical, more cerebral. If this was a movie about The Spider, a character mostly known for his batshit crazy plots and adventures, then it would have been more fitting.

>And remember, if we never had that Shadow movie we would have never gotten Darkman too.
I can agree to this although I would have liked to see Sam Raimi do a straight up Shadow movie like he wanted to. Even though it doesn't seem fitting to his style, Raimi's passion for the source material indicates that he would have found a way to made it work.
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>>94554998
I saw that immediately after posting it. Had a giggle.
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>>94555021
You're definitely the one whining about people criticizing your shitty politicized comic books as if they weren't deserving of any criticism.
Pure Surkov.
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>>94534010
is /pol/ really this insecure
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>>94555064
For the last time, Natalia - the fact that some group of hacks hold their precious character and his views sacred, doesn't mean that everybody should.
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>>94555022

>I know it seems I hate the movie because I critique it so harshly but I don't, I'm just frustrated over how it had so much potential but went backwards on some of the most important aspects and failed at the box office.

Oh sure, I get that. Like I said, I agree it's not really a Shadow movie, it's mostly a showcase for the visuals and the screenplay and the weird performances. It's more of a collection of refences, homages and concepts then a real film, but that's part of why i enjoy it, it's one of the strangest blockbusters to come out of the 90's. I think I enjoy it the way a lot of film-crit people enjoy the Beatty Dick Tracy movie(which I fucking hate).

> Russel is a very flashy, very in-your-face style of filmmaker who specialized in music videos, and who clearly shows competence for action. But The Shadow is slower paced, more methodical, more cerebral

Oh yeah, sure. Mulcahey has never been a subtle, measured filmmaker. I would have loved to see one of the 70's crime guys like Friedkin or Frankenheimer take their stab at it in the 90's.
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>>94555022
>but it's clear that I'm talking about the pulps since that's where The Shadow was born as a character and more than just a voice
That sentiment I could not disagree with more strongly. If the character hadn't already been born in the minds of the public the demand for copies of that "Shadow magazine" which didn't even exist wouldn't have had them rushing to create it. The pulp character was that character, and shrouded in so much mystery and misdirection until the very end that only The Shadow knows who the hell The Shadow even is. The pulps left The Shadow more as a mystery, a force of nature in human guise, so much so that the character focus was solely on Harry Vincent for much of the earliest stories.

At any rate it wouldn't matter. Canon doesn't care who did what first. It's only concerned about what is "true" within a certain set of stories. The Shadow has been born and reborn several times in several different stories and even things such as his twin .45s don't always appear more so than he always has any powers of the mind at all and is merely a master of disguise, misdirection, stealth, and psychological manipulation.
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>>94541470
Yeah, but he droped the ball HARD for most of it... Damn it, The Shadow is a natty dresser who shoots evil dickbags - he should've been a perfect fit for Ennis!
>>94542932
>all these facts are wrong because I say so
Suuuure they are, kiddo...

>>94542970
It'd be fine if it was Not-Trump going "D-do you know who I am?" and The Shadow replying "I know EXACTLY who you are - I've faced your kind a thousand times"
>>94544909
Dude, I live in Britbongland - the most the locals know is the stupid Alec Baldwin movie

Also, that link is SWEEEEET...
>>94546870
>he doesn't love easter eggs in his comics
>>94549211
Damn straight I would!
>>94549664
Joke's on you, I'm in the other Anglosphere country that fell for far-right bullshit last year!
>>94549711
>>94550337
>>94550381
>Anon is a dumbass who can't even lie well
Kinda par for the course...
>>94551588
They did a lot of good for Donald and Nigel!
>>94553505
>Trump made a stupid tweet
>a stupid tweet
>singular
>>94553669
Well, this IS Dynamite we're talking about here...
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This might be the first time in the history of 4chan that a thread about The Shadow has managed to reach more than 300 replies without a continuous storytime.
And all it took was the typical SJW controversy and shitflinging.

But still, it was nice knowing at least several of you guys care about The Shadow.
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>>94555418
Oh we've had some hit autosage before. The magic in that case was replacing storytimes with people dumping pulp covers, mostly.
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>>94554994
>I have plenty of reasons, but I won't give them because I say so
>also, having competent world leaders as allies is a bad thing
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>>94534437
OH COME ON
the comic started off so well
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>>94548047
Jesus Christ can someone get Wagner to do another shadow series maybe a sequel to death if Margo Lane or something after year one anything is better than this trash
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>>94555823
Well as long as he doesn't end up as Robocop it'll still not be the worst Shadow comic ever.
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>>94555417
>Brexit is far right
>Leaving a restrictive and poorly run economic bloc that is pushing to become a federal state to the detriment of the UK is far right.
>Becoming a sovereign country again like nearly every country on the planet is far right.
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>>94555418
We only care when the SJWs worm their way in and try to corrupt yet another classic character.
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>>94536861
That's not "punching you", that's "existing where you see it".
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>>94536663
How about this:
>In the future, Kent Allard/Lamont Cranston/The shadow is old and barely able to fight.
>in this time we follow a man who will become the new shadow, a young adult down on his luck, trying to make dues with his family, and his girlfriend.
>desperate, he joins one of the citys gangs, he thinks he might have things under control, but, the gang has a mission for him.
>he is forced to kill his family, who owemoney to the gang.
>The MC refuses, and so in punishment, they kill his family, his GF, and frame him for the murder of both, the shadow has seen the boy many times in other assaults and he has been intrigued for his unnatural resilience and skill in middle of the fights.
>in jail, the boy is paroled and freed by Lamont Cranston, with the promise of a new life.
>Lamont spends many years training the boy in the tulku arts so he becomes the new shadow, the boy accepts, not only for revengefor his family and loved one, but also because he knows now how rotten the crime world actually is, and doesnt want to anybody to go thru what he did ever.
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