Would Goku win?

>>94458548
human torch should be enough to deal with goku, since he feels heat and can be burned.

>>94458548
probably not

>>94458548
The only ones who would have a chance are Human Torch and Thor
Human Torch would be dealt with via no-attack, probably a kamehameha
Goku/Thor would be a great fight

>>94461844
Yeah I think he could probably deal with Thor solo (still would be a great fight) but if it's all the Avengers at once like OP implied they could probably take him. Human Torch probably wouldn't stand a chance solo but in a large group like this he'd be really useful since like another Anon said Goku feels heat/can be burned (unless SSG/Blue gets rid of this weakness for whatever reason)

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>>94458548
It's either this

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>>94458548
>>94462189
Or this

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>>94458548
now he would

>>94458548
Against there?
Sure

Add in Doctor Strange, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, and the Silver Surfer and THEN we can talk

>>94458548
Iron man would be defeat him. his armour is made of Iron.

>>94458548
of course.

>>94458548
There really aren't many heroes or villains in the Marvel universe that could deal with the OP cheese that is DBZ and onward

DC on the other hand would be a more fair match

>>94458548
> Marvel Universe.
> Universe that has Dr. Doom in it.

NOPE.

>>94462476
you do realize that in DBZ only brute force matters, right?

actual skill, strategy, or intelligence were proven to be useless time and time again

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>>94458548
Ok. Tournament of Power. But instead of eight teams of ten from the DBverse, instead, we gotta pick eight media-based teams. So there's one Dragonball team, a DC team, a Marvel team, etc.

Who would you all pick for the other teams, and what 10 would you put on them?

>>94462505
>actual skill, strategy, or intelligence were proven to be useless time and time again

Pretty much why I hate that series, as well as most shonen fighter animes
It always just come down to the main character solving everything with some OP move they pulled out of their asses three seconds ago

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>>94462505
>impyling

>>94462505

And you do realize Goku has never run up against some with the intellect like Doom. Oh sure Gero is close, but Doom isn't just robotics he has mystical abilities as well.

Plus with a better body hoping technique than Ginyu. If Doom can fool the Silver Surfer, then Goku is a cakewalk given how stupid he is.

>>94458548
Saiyan arc Vegeta probably could. Having read Marvel comics for over ten years now, I don't know how somebody could read Marvel Comics and seriously think in good faith that if a casual planet buster came to Earth he wouldn't be considered an absolute beast by virtually everybody there. They constantly have epic struggles over much less, and the big gun heroes like Hulk don't display anything above it, and only really match it sparingly.

>>94462734
Planets in the DBZ universe are made of paper mache, Roshi could fucking blow up the moon.

>>94462505
>actual skill, strategy, or intelligence were proven to be useless time and time again in DBZ

Literally the very first fight of the series is an overwhelmingly powerful but dumb fighter being taken out by three much weaker fighters with teamwork and a special technique.

>>94462595

Marvel:
>Sentry
>Gladiator
>Thor
>Hercules
>The Hulk
>Thanos
>Doctor Strange
>Scarlet Witch
>The Silver Surfer
>Squirrel Girl (the classic one, not the SJW garbage)


DC
>Martian Manhunter
>Wonder Woman
>Doomsday
>Firestorm
>Power Girl
>Captain Marvel
>General Zod
>The Flash
>Darkseid
>Superman

>>94462799
That just means Buff Roshi is incredibly powerful. Notably supplemental material states that no character actually managed to match that energy output of his Kamehameha before early Saiyan arc Goku. Which correlates with us not seeing feats on that level again until Piccolo destroys the moon in the early Saiyan arc.

>>94462804
and the second time they try teamwork, everyone dies

>>94462820
The difference being that even though they're already reaching planet busting levels, Goku still struggles training with weights that wouldn't even faze Thor.

>>94462820
how the hell does the moon keep returning?

>>94462837
They do much better with teamwork against Nappa than they did on their own. And teamwork is what ultimately beats Vegeta after Goku tries to 1v1 him and gets beaten like a drum for it.

>>94462867
It's explained by Kami restoring it. Apparently that's his job as the God of Earth. Meanwhile it's the job of higher gods like King Kai/Kaio to create and restore stars. It's not actually surprising now that I think about it; Shenron explicitly can't exceed Kami's power (which is why the heroes can't just tell him to kill Vegeta), and he can restore a whole destroyed planet.
>>94462865
Pretty sure that only happened once and is just Toriyama not understanding numbers. Like how Thor/Hulk/Hulkbuster are constantly and consistently stated to only be capable of lifting 100-200 tons.

Since we're talking about Dragon Ball here, am I the only person who thinks Multiverse is better than Super's universe survival arc?

Sure, it's more alternate timelines than different universes, but it allows us to have an idea of what happened in each world, and to at least emphasize a bit with each world. For Super, we're given maybe five or so lines about how Universe 9 is like before its erased. Same with all the other worlds, with the exception of maybe 6 and 11.

>Rogue touches Goku with out her glove on

>>94462266
>Implying Quicksilver is even as fast as Goku

Back in Dragonball, Goku and his opponents regularly disappeared to normal humans during fights because they were moving so fast.

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>>94462595
Valiant Entertainment.
1. Master Darque
2. Toyo Harada
3. Sting / Peter Stanchek
4. X-0 Manowar
5. Geomancer/Deathmate
6. Quantum
7. Woody
8. Armstrong
9. Gilad
10 Ivar the timewalker

>>94462421
DBZ isn't nearly as powerful a most people think. For example, most characters? Not actually planet level. The Instant Transmission Kamehameha proves it.

>>94463051
This. Quicksilver is a very shitty speedster compsred to retarded stuff like the Flash and OP shonen characters

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>>94463051
Quicksilver has an actual provable feat for being faster than light. Goku doesn't.

>>94463104
The Instant Transmission Kamehameha proves nothing. It's explicitly stated that DB characters can condense their blasts to only deal damage in a specific area, but they don't actually have any less energy.

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>>94463089

I gotta get back to reading more valiant. They're really good.

is Imperium done yet? I wanna finish that.

>>94462266
Silver Surfer is actually a relative weakling. He's very weak physically, with most of his power coming from energy output, and even in that area he's drastically below par with what would be expected for someone who does what he does (see him failing to power a small star for more than a few seconds). He seems to primarily accomplish his most impressive feats (like making stars go nova or supernova) via hax and matter manipulation.

>>94463030
>Implying fighting someone as strong as him won't just give Goku a boner
>Implying his Zenkai Boost won't just make him immediately stronger than Rogue

>>94463195
The ITK proved that Goku had to teleport to avoid hitting the Earth. If he didn't have to, he wouldn't have bothered, because Cell clearly would never have expected him to fire from the air, making it the perfect option to catch him by surprise. It also proved Cell's solar system claim false, if he had that kind of power then the slightest touch of his and Gohan's final attacks would have vaporized the planet under them at the slightest contact. They didn't.

>explicitly stated
By fucking FANS. Vegeta changing the shape of one technique one time so it doesn't even hit the Earth does not mean a direct hit from a planet level attack wouldn't destroy a planet because they can "control the area." That's fanon bullshit.

>>94463104
>The Instant Transmission Kamehameha proves it.

How?

>>94462595
>>94462816
>>94463089

Cartoon Network
>Robot Boy
>Rex
>Bubbles
>Buttercup
>Blossom
>Ben Tennyson
>Aku
>HIM
>Grim
>Uncle Grandpa

Nickelodeon
>Manny Rivera aka El Tigre
>Rodolfo Rivera aka White Pantera
>Jenny XJ9 Wakeman
>Queen Vexus
>Danny Phantom
>Vlad Plasmius
>Sartana of the Dead
>Korra
>Aang
>Jorgen Von Strangle

I honestly do not believe any of these would have a chance against whatever DBZ or even DC would thwow at them, with maybe the exceptions of Ben, Aku, HIM, Grim, Jorgen, and Uncle Grandpa, and all of these are essentially gods or able to turn into them

>>94463287
>very weak physically
The guy beat down the Abomination with his bare hands in one page, and that was several power ups ago.

could Supergirl beat Trunks

Guys

>Poison Ivy just uses her pheromones to seduce Goku

Or

>Rogue takes off her glove, touches his bulging bicep, and takes his powers.

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>>94463287

>Silver Surfer is actually a relative weakling

Silver surfer is an example of a character who has only grown weaker over time. Way back in the day the Power Cosmic used to be a big deal. When doctor doom stole it the first time, it basically allowed him to take over the world single handedly

>>94463152
Goku regularly dodged lasers even as a kid

>>94463342
See >>94463337

>>94463337
>The ITK proved that Goku had to teleport to avoid hitting the Earth.
No, he teleported to hit Cell off guard. If he wasn't at point blank range, Cell could have just moved out of the way.

>It also proved Cell's solar system claim false, if he had that kind of power then the slightest touch of his and Gohan's final attacks would have vaporized the planet under them at the slightest contact.
Again, explicitly stated to be capable of condensing. And Cell's solar system busting is explicitly confirmed in guides, the anime, and video games. "Power condensing" is pretty much a required power of any high-level super in any media anyway, or else e.g. Superman would kill all life on Earth as a side effect whenever he throws a serious punch. He doesn't. In fact usually his punches don't even launch whatever superpowered enemy he's hitting very far.

>By fucking FANS.
By official material actually.

>>94463355
In the same universe where Thor's hammer barely phased Godzilla?

>>94463287
In that case we may as well give his post on the team to Galactus >>94462816

>>94458548
The Hulk would stand a good shot of winning because of his durability and super strength. Thor has strength and durability as well, but also magic and his hammer. Sentry is also a good bet since he's basically Superman.

Everyone else is fodder.

>>94463414
>he teleported to catch Cell off guard
NOT teleporting would have caught Cell off guard because Cell was sure he would never fire from the air, I already talked about this.

>capable of condensing
Vegeta did that one time with one attack, and it was to avoid hitting the planet. Completely inapplicable.

>by official materials
Horse shit.

I'm having trouble following this argument. Is this guy seriously trying to say DBZ characters aren't planet busters or what?

>>94463337
Those lack of collateral damage nerfs work both ways, doomsday can't fly or will himself to stay on the ground so every time superman hits him with a serious punch it should send him flying out of orbit. There's a good chance that shock waves from trading just continent busting punches would wipe out a city and Hulk and Thor get into life or death fights in New York all the time. Almost all brick superhero fights have have this issue.

>>94463539
>NOT teleporting would have caught Cell off guard because Cell was sure he would never fire from the air,
No, because if he did fire from the fire, it would take time for the beam to travel from Cell's perspective, and he'd have plenty of time to move out of the way. We see him do this multiple times in that very fight. Later, we see Cell try to pull the exact same trick on Gohan by launching a Kamehameha from a similar distance, and Gohan has more than enough time to generate his own Kamehameha to completely cancel it out. No reason Cell couldn't have done the same thing to Goku. So Goku shot him in the back. We know off-guard attacks are advantaegous.
>Horse shit.
Sorry, you're wrong. From Daizenshuu 7's attack dictionary:

>Big Bang Attack: a ki wave which Vegeta fired at Artificial Human No. 19. This technique, which easily destroyed Artificial Human No. 19, could be called Super Saiyan Vegeta's version of the Gyarik-ho, which can shatter a planet. However, the differences between it and the Gyarik-ho are the ki's shape and firing method. First, he sticks one hand out in front, then emits a ki blast from the palm of that hand. This ki is condensed down into one big lump and can deal heavy damage inside a specific range.

The same material also explicitly states that Goku's Kamehameha at the 23rd Budokai could easily destroy the moon. Right next to a picture of him firing it at Piccolo and it leaving no damage to the surrounding atmosphere, when by the book's own words, the Earth should be a lifeless wreck after that. If they couldn't condense it.

Though really, that should be obvious from literally everything they do. Like how in the Saiyan arc, Nappa creates an explosion the size of a continent by raising a finger that doesn't harm him and Vegeta at all, yet in his own fight with the saiyans he gets burns from a grenade-sized blast. It doesn't even slightly scratch their pods, which a Raditz-tier character can shatter with a headbutt.

>>94463567
Yes I am, because they're demonstrably not. How else was Vegeta killed by Earth exploding when he was in SSB?

>he died from lack of air
Bullshit, if he survived he would have sensed the other survivors and gone to find them, if for no other reason than the reasonable assumption they had air somehow. He never showed. The only explanation is that he was already dead.

>>94463661
Okay, but that has nothing to do with DBZ.

>>94463674
>fire from the fire
I think you meant air.

>taken time for the beam
Then why was Cell so fucking terrified?

>Daizenshuu
Oh, you mean something that's essentially FAN WRITTEN bullshit that means nothing.

>>94463350


Disney (TV)
>Jake Long
>Lao Shi
>Star Butterfly
>Eradicus
>The Dark Dragon
>The Sorcerer
>Lord Hater
>Lord Dominator
>Skeleton King
>Bill Cypher (physical form)

even more underpowered, with the exception of Bill

>>94463674
>yet in his own fight with the saiyans

*the Earthlings

Additionally Daizenshuu 7 states that Goku's first Spirit Bomb that he threw at Vegeta (the small one that could fit in his hand, not the giant one he threw at Freeza) had more than power to destroy the planet. Something also stated in the series itself, so it's more of an out-of-universe confirmation than anything:

>Genki-Dama [Spirit Ball] First Appearance: Chapter 212 Category: ki manipulation People: Son Goku Special Characteristics: The Genki-Dama is a technique that gathers the energy held by grass and trees, humans and animals, objects and the atmosphere, and then fires it. A Genki-Dama gathered from only Kaio Planet had the destructive power to smash a super-speed brick. From this, in the case of a Genki-Dama made on Earth, if you consider the Earth’s size, it would certainly have the force to destroy a planet.

It has this text, again, right next to an image of the Spirit Bomb being used, and generating a tiny explosion (less than a standard 500-pound bomb) that nonetheless fucks up Vegeta. Who stood at the center of the aforementioned continent-razing explosion without his hair even being moved.

>>94463676
>Yes I am, because they're demonstrably not. How else was Vegeta killed by Earth exploding when he was in SSB?

Just because they're planet busters doesn't mean they can't be killed by other planet busters. Golden Frieza clearly had more raw power than both Goku and Vegeta. His stamina and arrogance cost him that fight.

>>94463772
If Vegeta was killed by a planet level attack in the current most powerful form, then how can you say they had been planet level years before when their best was exponentially weaker?

>>94463729
>I think you meant air.
Yes.
>Then why was Cell so fucking terrified?
Because he thought Goku was actually going to destroy the planet by firing the blast directly at Earth with no condensing. He wasn't scared so much as completely shocked that Goku would actually do that, since that would mean suicide for him (but not Cell, he can survive in space). To him it just didn't make any sense.
>Oh, you mean something that's essentially FAN WRITTEN
No, the thing that's written by the license-holders of the franchise to define their series, and which has Toriyama's name on the front, which the license-holders can also use. Try again.

>>94463676
>How else was Vegeta killed by Earth exploding when he was in SSB?
He suffocate in space. We already know for sure that an exploding planet is harmless to them. Freeza said as much to Goku in their fight on Namek (before smugly noting that Goku can't breathe in space), and Freeza himself survived Namek exploding in his face with little to no ki left and missing most of his body.

>>94463676
Nigga

>Roshi blew up the moon
>Piccolo blew up the moon
>Vegeta almost blew up Earth with Galick Gun
>Frieza blew up both Namek and Planet Vegeta
>Vegeta almost blew up Earth with Final Flash
>Goku had to teleport to avoid hitting Earth when he needed a planet busting move to kill Cell
>Cell would have blown up the Earth had Gohan not cancelled him out
>Kid Buu blew up the Earth
>Beerus regularly destroys planets and Goku and Vegeta matched him
>Golden Frieza blew up the Earth

At their current levels(ToP) the DBZ characters can effortlessly destroy planets. How can you argue against this?

>>94463380
The first won't work- Goku is practically asexual. He had to be taught by Chi-Chi what sex was and it seems pretty unlikely seduction will work for him.

With Rogue, that's basically him for Captain Ginyru all over again. Rogue will only be a low level base Saiyan, she won't know how to use his powers as effectively.

>>94463823
I don't think you understand the logic of power levels dude. Golden Frieza's attack was enough to kill him at his current level. This does not negate the fact he was planet busting level when he debuted.

>>94463825
>thought Goku was actually going to destroy the planet
Why would he care?

>Toriyama's name
Oh, you mean the guy who provides loose outlines of general plot and does little to no writing personally, and forgot SS2 even exited? Yeah, HIS word on what's canon is 100% reliable.

>>94463857
>suffocated
I swear to God, will you retards stop trying to use arguments I ALREADY DEFEATED in the posts you reply to?

>>94463823
It's not the fact the planet was destroyed, it was the fact that Frieza's attack killed him.

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>>94463863
Kid Buu blew up a bunch of stars in the anime too.

>>94463748
Dreamworks
>Shrek
>B.O.B.
>Master Tigress
>Grand Master Oogway
>Tai Lung
>Kai
>Po
>Captain Underpants
>Tighten
>Metro Man

the least of a chance out of them all

>>94463863
>At their current levels(ToP) the DBZ characters can effortlessly destroy planets. How can you argue against this?
Because Vegeta died to a planet level attack while in SSB. I already talked about this.

>>94463904
I don;t think you understand that power levels were added to show power levels were a stupid idea to begin with. The numbers exist to show trying to assign a number is a retarded idea.

Why y'all trying to approach DBZ power scaling logically, it's always been pretty fucky. Goku's energy projection might be powerful enough to destroy a solar system, but physically he's a chump compared to someone like Hulk or Thor

>>94463871
Except when Rogue touches people, they go into comas.

>>94463934
Frieza's attack didn't even hit him dumbass, it hit the planet.

>>94463863
This is why DBZ makes no sense/sucks

>>94463930
>Why would he care?
Because it wasn't something he was expecting. And would also end their fun fight prematurely.
>Oh, you mean the guy who provides loose outlines of general plot and does little to no writing personally, and forgot SS2 even exited? Yeah, HIS word on what's canon is 100% reliable.
Considering he wrote the series, yeah. It's either him or the people who actually own the IP, which is Shueisha. The company that wrote and printed the book. Pretty incontrovertible.
> I ALREADY DEFEATED
You really didn't refute anything, you just made shit up ("he didn't find them so therefore he had to have died in an explosion") while also ignoring the fact that it was explicitly shown that an exploding planet is harmless to much weaker characters.

>>94463970
>Because Vegeta died to a planet level attack while in SSB. I already talked about this.

He died to Frieza's attack which happened to be a planet buster. This does not negate the fact he almost destroyed a planet back in the Saiyan Saga.

>>94463971
>Goku's energy projection might be powerful enough to destroy a solar system, but physically he's a chump compared to someone like Hulk or Thor
There's no difference. His fists and his energy beams use literally the exact same source of power and deal damage to his foes at exactly the same frequency.

>>94464001
Frieza attacked the entire planet which Vegeta was caught in.

>>94464005
How does it not make any sense? The protagonists get stronger over time. It's simple shit.

>>94463863
>Vegeta almost blew up Earth with Galick Gun
>Vegeta almost blew up Earth with Final Flash
>Goku had to teleport to avoid hitting Earth when he needed a planet busting move to kill Cell
None of this examples are of planet busters since they in fact did not destroy any planet.

>"He died to a planet busting attack so that means he isn't a planet buster"

What kind of fucktard logic is that? That's like saying I can't break a wodden bat because someone can pick up a wodden bat and beat me with it.

>>94464005
It makes considerably more sense than most superhero comics, mostly because it's written by one author. At the very least, there's a firmly established power hierarchy. A clearly established planet buster will never job to someone who's clearly established as vulnerable to bullets. There's no Deathstroke > Flash situations. The most common logical criticism I see levied is that the collateral from their fights doesn't make sense with their established energy output, but that's the case for literally all superhero fiction. Literally, every one. Completely physically-accurate fights would be pretty much untenable.

>>94464131
Ok I'm done arguing with you dude. You got backed into a corner and now want to resort to playing stupid.

>>94463729
I guess it's not related except that by your logic the people we're pitting DBZ against are now city block tier which is blatantly untrue.

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>>94464131
Then why was everyone who witnessed those attacks afraid of the planet being destroyed?

>>94464169
Not even him, but you're stupid if you think any of those are examples of being a planet buster, when they didn't even destroy a planet to begin with.

>>94462595
>>94462816

Shonen Jump (not involving Dragon Ball/Toriyama)
>Kenshiro
>Luckyman
>Pentagon
>Vanilla Ice
>Bobobo-bo Bo-Bobo
>Pegasus Seiya
>Koro-sensei
>Giorno Giovanna (with GER)
>Medaka Kurokami
>Kusuo Saiki

most likely to beat DBZ aside for DC

>>94464219
You mean like Tein shit golden bricks when Goku was going SSJ3 for the first time, and fucking nothing happened to the planet? It called hyping shit up, DBZ does it all of the time.

>>94462213
>thump thump thump thump
This really gets my engine going.

>>94464036
>Because it wasn't something he was expecting.
He was standing there talking about it! At that point the element of surprise is gone.

>he wrote the series
And doesn't remember important parts of it, an doesn't write for it anymore.

>didn't refute anything
I've refuted everything you morons have thrown at me so far.

>>94464040
And if he had been planet level years ago, SSB should have made him immune to that level of effect. Try to keep up.

>>94464069
And Vegeta died.

>>94464174
Some of the people in OP's pic, sure. But then there's Thor, who defeated ten thousand fused gods. How many gods has Goku defeated? Oh right, none. And it has nothing to do with the fact that to this day, most DBZ characters aren't planet level.

>>94464253
I won't spoil One Piece but right now in the manga Luffy could probably beat Kenshiro.

>>94464263
this
who the fuck knows if any of those previous planet-bursting claims were even true?
Majin Vegeta used all of his energy to blow himself up with Buu and all he caused was a big crater

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>>94463287
>Silver Surfer is actually a relative weakling

/co/.... reads comics... heh

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>>94464228
>Goku stopped Galicik Gun
>Vegeta purposely missed the planet with Final Flash
>Goku teleported and fired his blast up to avoid hitting the planet

Fucking idiot no shit they didn't destroy a planet.

>>94464345
May use him instead of Pentagon then
he was just a minor Kinnikuman opponent anyway
(albeit one with an awesome gimmick and theme song)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lF1NnhATvo

>>94458548

Goku, as he currently exists in Super, would win 1v1 against pretty much every Earth based Marvel superhero.
Marvel's power levels are significantly lower than DC's on average. The only ones who'd give him any major issues are Thor, who canonically holds back most of his power when fighting mortals, and high level spellcasters like Strange and Doom.

However if they all ganged up on him, Goku would eventually lose. It wouldn't be easy and he'd still take out a lot of the weaker heroes, but the powerhouses like Thor and Hulk working in tandem would be too much.

However if you wanted this to be a Z Fighters vs the Marvel universe scenario, Z Fighters take it every time between the saiyans, the androids, Buu, and Piccolo most can't do anything. Krillin and Tien are no slouches either, even if one continuously jobs and the other never really gets to do anything because lol saiyans.

>>94464263
DBZ generally makes no sense

>>94464381
You just destroyed your own argument.

>>94463402
oddly he seems to have lost that skill. at least that's what his fight with frieza seems to have shown us.

>>94464444
Check my mother fucking quads of truth.

>>94464331
>He was standing there talking about it! At that point the element of surprise is gone.
He wasn't expecting him to throw it in the first place. He spent the duration of the event shocked before Goku teleported behind him.
>And doesn't remember important parts of it, an doesn't write for it anymore.
Then, again, it falls to the owners of the IP to determine canon. And the owners of the IP put out that book and said it was official.
>I've refuted everything
Saying something doesn't make it true. You still haven't refuted anything and are instead resorting to retreating into your own ignorance. A mere exploding planet is shown and stated to be harmless to even Freeza arc characters. This is undeniable canon. You, in turn, have nothing but your own speculation to support your assertion that, several orders of magnitude worth of power-ups later, suddenly an exploding planet is dangerous again.
>Some of the people in OP's pic, sure. But then there's Thor, who defeated ten thousand fused gods.
Worthless barometer without a classification of what "god" is. Thor has been absolutely awed by powers that could only destroy a small planet, has had his own power explicitly put below that level numerous times, and struggled immensely to overpower a being that was attempting to merely constrict a planet to death over an unknown period of time. Anyone who thinks he can simply point out at a planet for a couple seconds and blow it to smithereens like every DB character since the Saiyan arc is simply not being honest with themselves.

>>94464331
>And if he had been planet level years ago, SSB should have made him immune to that level of effect. Try to keep up.

Power levels in DBS make no sense.
Super Saiyan Blue allows Goku to spar with literal gods, yet he gets knocked the fuck out by one tiny laser.

>>94464381
>>Goku stopped Galicik Gun
And the force of the collision would still destroy the planet if it was a plant busting attack

>Vegeta purposely missed the planet with Final Flash
The fucking island they were standing on was still there you moron, so much for a planet busting attack.

>Goku teleported and fired his blast up to avoid hitting the planet
If it was a planet busting attack, Cell would've been completely destroyed. Instead, only his upper body was destroyed, and the surrounding area was fine. I'm starting to think you don't know what a planet buster is.

>>94463402
Did he? Because I've seen a lot of scans CLAIMING that, yet in most cases the weapons are never called lasers, nor did they behave like lasers. Also there's no proof he wasn't just aim dodging.

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>>94464489
>And the force of the collision would still destroy the planet if it was a plant busting attack

The force of every punch Superman throws should destroy the Earth by this logic. They don't. They don't even come close.

>>94464519
Is Superman always punching at full strength? No he isn't, but when he stops fucking around, he is capable of smashing planets to dust.

>>94464553
So Superman wasn't going at full strength when Doomsday beat him to death?

>>94464331
One time Thor died fighting the Destroyer armor and the blow back from his attacks failed to level the planet, the the country, the state or even the city, I think they tore up the pavement some. If you apply the scrutiny you used on DBZ's collateral damage to Thor then he fights with less than city busting punches when his life is in danger.

>>94464263
>"What is Goku doing? If he doesn't stop the planet will be destroyed!"

Goku stopped.

>>94464331
>And if he had been planet level years ago, SSB should have made him immune to that level of effect. Try to keep up.
>And Vegeta died

Golden Frieza was stronger than him. Keep up.

>>94464370
Why the duck would he blow up the planet his wife and kid were on fucktard?

>>94464444
Now I didnt faggot. The planet busting attacks were stopped.

>>94464451
He was caught off guard.

>>94464567
You kinda can't punch at full strength when you're dying yes.

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>>94462505
Do you even Doctor Doom? He's like Marvel's Batman, he would learn and master the kamehameha, copy the Red Ribbon androids technology, energize his armor with some bullshit energy and tear Goku a new one.
This without even touching the Power Cosmic.

>>94464370
Condensing energy to only strike in a certain area is an explicit skill of their's. DB actually explained this one and demonstrates it on-screen (see again Vegeta not even being singed by a continent-razing explosion in his first scene). Do any other comics even make the effort?

>>94464474
>knocked the fuck out by one tiny laser.
Makes sense when you look at Goku;s other "low showings" and "gag scenes." Goku is more vulnerable to attacks he doesn't know are coming, his defense is active, not passive.

>>94464468
>wasn't expecting him to throw it
So what? He was still scared of being hit by it. He calmed down once he thought Goku WOULDN'T fire at all.

>owners say it's official
And contradicted by the events of the story. Story>guidebook every time.

>still haven;t refuted anything
Wow. I know /co/ didn't read comics, but not reading POSTS too? I've defeated every argument you've tried before you even made it, or did you miss how I accounted for Vegeta suffocating, Goku wanting to catch Cell by surprise, and Vegeta shaping the Final Flash in my original arguments?

>Thor has been awed
Thor has also beaten down Silver Surfer and the Hulk, and fought off Galactus. And Beta Ray Bill, his equal, has casually destroyed worlds.

>>94464253
I would replace Kenshiro, Pentagon, and Koro Sensei with Pucci with Made in Heaven, Yoshikage Kira, and Funny Valentine with D4C Lovetrain respectively

Funny Valentine could even work as a replacement for Luckyman, seeing how they have the same ability, only that D4C Lovetrain works on a much larger scale

>>94464592
>Goku stopped.
The fuck did you watch? Tein was crying about if Goku went SSJ3 then the world be destroyed. He went SSJ3 and nothing happened.

>>94464610
Except Doomsday's punches, which also didn't cause any damage to the planet, the city, or even much of the block, were still enough to kill Superman. Brainiac has made Superman bleed with punches that barely launch him, much less cause any damage to their surroundings. Do all of his villains also hold back? Conveniently to levels just enough to still kill him?

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>>94462213
thats cheating

>>94464592
>Golden Frieza was stronger than him.
So what? Vegeta was still killed by a planet level effect. Golden Frieza being stronger has less than nothing to do with it.

>>94458548
This shit is always stupid because no matter how strong someone is, if you throw enough bodies at them they'll eventually go down.

Like honestly, as a Gokufag let's not be irrational.

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>>94464253
>Vanilla Ice
>Kenshiro
>Fucking Kenshiro
>Not Ajimu
>Not Saitama
>Not Nuero
>Not All for One or All Might in their prime
>Not any of the Devilukeans or Nemesis
>Not Kumawaga
>Not Meruem
>Not Exodia the Forbidden One
>Not Arale

>>94464624
I would not compare Dr. Doom to Batman
Batman is FAR beneath him

I mean, how come Batman didn't learn any magic yet?

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Goku couldn't even win against this without Zen'oh.

>>94464489
>>94464489
>And the force of the collision would still destroy the planet if it was a plant busting attack

No, Goku used Kaioken to direct the beams away from the planet. I don't think you've even seen DBZ. You must he trolling.

>The fucking island they were standing on was still there you moron, so much for a planet busting attack.

Because he didn't hit the island.

>If it was a planet busting attack, Cell would've been completely destroyed. Instead, only his upper body was destroyed, and the surrounding area was fine. I'm starting to think you don't know what a planet buster is.

Because he clearly condensed the stack to hit Cells upper body which was gone.

>>94464666
>>94464567
You mean back in the day when Superman got fucked up by an exploding gas station?

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>>94463287
Bullshit, he one-shotted an unleashed Cable who had Omega level telekinesis.

>>94464645
>So what? He was still scared of being hit by it.
You'd probably be scared by a knife being thrown at you, even if you could move out of the way in time.
>And contradicted by the events of the story.
Where is the idea that they can condense their power to only deal damage in a specific range ever contradicted? If anything it's clearly demonstrated on-screen. Several times. You're just making shit up.
>Wow. I know /co/ didn't read comics, but not reading POSTS too? I've defeated every argument you've tried before you even made it,
You've still done no such thing. I also notice you haven't responded to the Freeza arc exploding planet bit, and have totally dropped even trying to dispute the right of the IP owners to determine canon. Indicating that you really don't have a counter-argument. I'll take that as a concession.
>Thor has also beaten down Silver Surfer and the Hulk,
And Hulk has the exact same problem with "planet-level" feats.
>And Beta Ray Bill, his equal, has casually destroyed worlds.
No he doesn't.

Silver Surfer's best raw destruction feat is the following:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103729/3938510-5992836642-35100.jpg
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/3/30027/549385-2411691-annihilationsilversurfekt9_super.jpg

But we don't know how big the planet was, and his inability to destroy the same planetoid that Bill couldn't without Galactus' barrier was also apparent (if pre-Annihilation powerup), and Bill is rather clearly weaker than Surfer.

Some more quantifications of Beta Ray Bill (or Thor's) hammer:
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/3/32350/579511-thor_400_37.jpg
Can shatter Mountains and pulverize minor planetoids.

http://i.imgur.com/IUZwstJ.jpg?1
Thor, Hulk, Drax the Destroyer, Firelord (a Herald) and Doctor Doom all together, hitting a bearer of the Infinity Gauntlet as hard as they absolutely can in complete desperation to end the fight immediately "only" hit as hard to destroy a small planet.

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>>94464666
> the city, or even much of the block,
Yes they did, the hell are you talking about.

>Do all of his villains also hold back?
Are we talking about Supperman, or his villains? And most of Supers villains aren't planet busters, so bringing them up is pointless.

>>94464647
Kira's strength relies on not getting caught. Assuming nobody knows his identity, Bites the Dust could probably work IF nobody attacks him while it's active, and they only interact with the BtD target. However, Killer Queen is only a threat at close range (if Stray Cat isn't involved) - and at close range, Kira needs to protect himself from his own explosions.

He's basically a buffed Genthru. Strong, but not Universe Survival Arc strong.

>>94464653
Watch the fucking scene again nigger. What you said does not happen. Nobody knew about SSJ3 except for Goku so I know you're full of shit.

>>94464739
>Because he clearly condensed the stack to hit Cells upper body which was gone.
Then Goku is a massive retard. Cell quite clearly proved he could regenerate whatever the fuck he wanted.

>>94464716
Saitama is not by Shonen Jump
Arale is part of the Dragon Ball universe
Exodia is just a card

Was thinking about All Might, but he did not have anything special going on besides strength
Kenshiro meanwhile can kill opponents much stronger than him by using pressure points, and Vanilla Ice can erase people out of existence

I have not seen Neuro in an actual fight (only watched a few episodes of the anime)

Have no idea who the other ones are

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>>94464731
Meanwhile

>>94464711
Golden Frieza is powerful enough to destroy Vegeta and a planet. Your point?

>>94464762
Hey man, that was clearly a planet-level gas station.

>>94464834
Goku didn't know Cell could come back from that. Hence why he thought he won.

>>94463748
Hater seems to have infinite power depending on his emotional state

>>94464739
>No, Goku used Kaioken to direct the beams away from the planet. I don't think you've even seen DBZ. You must he trolling.
No, he used Kaioken to strengthen his own attack, it did nothing more.


>Because he didn't hit the island.
He hit Cell, who was close enough to the ground that with how big Final Flash is, it would hit the island.

>Because he clearly condensed the stack to hit Cells upper body which was gone.
Condensed or not, it would still did more damage to the entirety of Cell than his upper body.

>>94464808
>Yes they did, the hell are you talking about.
The city was still there when they were done fighting. The energy output of a fight between supposed planet busters didn't even come within a billionth of releasing enough energy to destroy the Earth. When, if they were releasing that energy with each blow, at the very least the Earth should be uninhabitable by the time they're done.

Did you see Man of Steel? Remember how Zod and Superman created giant shockwaves that devastated the city just by bullrushing each other? Note that MOS is not even a city-buster. Now multiply his power output by about 100 quintillion to get Earth-busting levels. What do you think that would look like in a fight?
>Are we talking about Supperman, or his villains? And most of Supers villains aren't planet busters, so bringing them up is pointless.
If they're not planet busters, how the fuck are they still strong enough to beat Superman to death? How does Superman die fighting Doomsday? How does Mongul pound Superman into the ground requiring Robin to pull a save? How does Brainiac make the Man of Steel bleed with blows that don't even remotely effect their surroundings and barely launch Superman's ~100 kg mass?

>>94464904
>No, he used Kaioken to strengthen his own attack, it did nothing more.

Yeah he used it to push both his and Vegeta's attack away from the planet.

>He hit Cell, who was close enough to the ground that with how big Final Flash is, it would hit the island.

He still hit Cell and only Cell, not the island. Vegeta is a master tactician.

>Condensed or not, it would still did more damage to the entirety of Cell than his upper body.

It hit his upper body and only his upper body.

>>94464840
One Punch Man is published in Young Jump in Japan and Weekly Shonen Jump in the west.

You got me on Arale and Exodia (even though his appearance alone makes you win the game).

Ajimu and Kumagawa are from Medaka Box, Meruem is from HxH. The Devilukeans are from To Love Ru, but they're mostly there because their father can destroy a planet, and Nemesis managed to keep up with him.

>>94464253
>>Pegasus Seiya
I assume you mean Seiya with Gold Cloth

This discussion is reminding me of how insanely impressive Saitama's feats actually are in context. Because unlike DB characters, Kryptonians, Asgardians, and most comic book characters in general, he doesn't rely on a supernatural power source or anything. When he punches hard enough to devastate a planet, he's not winding up to gather his energy for a particularly powerful blow. He just swings his arm. No different from the normal punches he can throw a million times per second.

>>94464942
Comic science, motherfucker.
It's the same reason why Goku's SShiB form isn't ten times as visually powerful as his full power Super Saiyan form. Goku vs Cell looks like a much higher power-level fight than Goku vs Golden Frieza.

>>94465025
If we're going to invoke comic science, then perhaps it shouldn't be applied selectively. Though I feel like I should note that if you're going to claim physics have no place in determining their strength, then the very means we use to calculate any comic book character suddenly become useless. Unless "magically condense energy to only affect a certain area" is one of their unnamed secondary powers. Like super-anchoring or super-weight-distribution.

>>94465070
Hold on a second. Are you saying that power levels are fucking meaningless? Gasp!

>>94464975
I em still pretty early in Medaka (alto I do already know she is a borderline reality bender)
Only watched HxH till the end of the Greed Island arc back in the 2000s

never read To Love Ru
honestly, would not expect something like that from a harem anime
(but to be fair, Kusou Saiki is from a slice of life comedy, and he is a straight-up reality bender who canonically rebooted the universe several times for relatively minor reasons)

>>94464942
>The energy output of a fight between supposed planet busters
Supes was holding back, and Doomsday isn't one of Supes villains that are planet busters, so no, it wasn't energy released by two planet busters.

> just by bullrushing each other?
You mean using force and momentum to each others bodies to do damage to things that can't withstand it. Wow, that's not surprising.

>If they're not planet busters, how the fuck are they still strong enough to beat Superman to death?
You don't need to be a planet buster to kill Sups, fuck Batman can do it with enough green rocks.

>>94464970
>This post.
Using Beerus as an example. Him and Goku just punching caused shockwaves to destroyed planets. And yet, two powerful "planet busters" fire enormous energy beams didn't even scrape the Earth.

>Vegeta is a master tactician.
No the fuck he isn't

>It hit his upper body and only his upper body.
It would hit more than his upper body.

>>94465177
>Supes was holding back, and Doomsday isn't
one of Supes villains that are planet busters,
Then Superman is a fucking moron and him being a supposed planet buster is functionally irrelevant since he'll never use his supposed full power even while dying.
>You mean using force and momentum to each others bodies to do damage to things that can't withstand it. Wow, that's not surprising.
No, just by hitting each other. Because the energy from punches doesn't magically disappear nor is 100% of it transferred to the target.
>You don't need to be a planet buster to kill Sups,
Actually, yes, you do, if Superman himself is strong enough to do that. Otherwise he'd break his hand transferring that level of energy through his fist. Super strength comes with proportionate durability. If you're saying Superman can be killed by sub-city-busting attacks, you're saying he can't even come within one billionth of a single percentage point of the power needed to bust a planet.

Same for Hulk, Thor, every single supposed planet-level super.

>>94465177
>with enough green rocks

He only needs enough to fit into a wad of bubblegum.

>>94463863
Robotnic blew up the moon

>>94465177
>Using Beerus as an example. Him and Goku just punching caused shockwaves to destroyed planets. And yet, two powerful "planet busters" fire enormous energy beams didn't even scrape the Earth.

So you're comparing two gods trading blows to two men getting into a pudding contest with energy beams? Wew.

>No the fuck he isn't

He knew he couldn't use Ultra SSJ against Cell because it would slow him down.

>It would hit more than his upper body.

But it didn't.

>>94463966
>>94463966
>Dreamworks
>Prince of Egypt
>GOD
Just go home, everyone

>>94463748
>The Dark Dragon
dude was killed by a bunch of construction blocks thrown at him
pretty fucking underpowered

>>94465373
what you're saying is sonic could beat saiyan arc goku?

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>>94458548

Iron Man just waits until he's not paying attention.

>>94465700
what an odd way to spell shrek

>>94462261
He has not achieved full spikyness, that automatically means he isn't strong enough

>>94458548
Goku's faster and stronger than everyone there put together.

The people in that image? Goku in the fucking Buu Saga could take them. Probably earlier, actually.