Memes aside what actually went wrong?

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roiland and harmon's feminist over compensation for not having any female writers

>>94454654
They made it way too nihilistic and complicated. It was better when Rick and Morty were a likable duo and Morty had to deal with Rick getting drunk from time to time. Now everyone is unlikable and edgy. The show's infinite dimensions thing is also a cheap cop out to bringing back the characters and a failure of lore. They never properly explain it much either. Most of the background characters suck and barely do anything on Rick and Morty's adventures. Not to mention those terrible new writers have forgotten what made the show so good. The character interactions are out of whack and the places they go are boring, leading to a sad case of flanderization. The show is still pretty good but it probably won't be for long. Just wished every season could've been perfect like the first one.

>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE
I wish Summer was over already so these immaturefag /v/ faggots would leave.

>>94454654
Pickle Rick is in the house tonight

>Memes aside what actually went wrong?
the memes

>>94454654
/co/ hates popular shows

>>94454654

Same thing as the Simpsons, nothing about the dynamic or character changes.

Nothing "went wrong". It's the same show that it's always been.

>>94454705
>Just wished every season could've been perfect like the first one.
retard, S1 also had a bunch of bad episode you massive autist

>>94454654
Slowly collapsing under the weight of unnecessary continuity in what at first seemed to be the ultimate episodeic-format adventures show. They're drifting too far from formula, and it's not panning out quite as smoothly.

>>94454705
This to an extent.

I may be in the minority here, but I liked the last season. We saw Rick being more vulnerable, we saw Beth and Jerry work together a bit more, hell, the season 2 finale was some of the best TV ever.

Then they basically set a reset button on everything and I don't have any fucking clue where they're going now.

>>94454715
>immaturefag /v/ faggots
Is this the new "fuck off to /pol/ drumpfter" bogeyman

>>94454654
It's trying too hard, it's literally the "Intelligent, Nihilistic and with a Wicked Sense of Humor" meme in cartoon form

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>>94454779
>They're drifting too far from formula

>>94454752
>nothing about the dynamic or character changes
but that's why people hate S3E2, the characters completely changed

>>94454654
female writers

>>94454779
You're right. Following a set storyline (Finn getting gf) is exactly what killed Adventure Time and now the same thing is happening with R+M with Beth and Jerry's divorce shadowing over the whole of S3

>>94454705
I agree completely. The first two episodes of s3 have been ok but pretty boring, it's lacking what I liked about the show initially

>>94454776
I was just trying to have an actual polite discussion anon, no need to insult me.

>>94454794
This, season 2 was fantastic in a different way. I'm just saying the seeds were planted in season 2. Season 3 feels so directionless and weird right now. None of the characters are acting right and everything is so edgy.

>episodic comedy show
>slightly alter characters motivations and personalities (could be seen as development)
>develop "deep lore"
>reset everything
>now there's a heavy focus on a divorce subplot nobody asked for

The writers don't know what they want and it's getting tiresome.

>>94454835
More like pickle writers!
XD

>>94454654
my biggest problems with it are that Rick turned from a callous-but-well-meaning grandfather into a constant drunken asshole, Morty's become weaker and less assertive, and the episodes seem to constantly shit on Jerry for no discernable reason other than that the audience is supposed to hate him for some reason

>>94454654
Nothing went wrong.

>>94454686
>>94454835
Except for people from /pol/ trying to convince you something went wrong because they don't like the fact there are female writers

>>94454705

Every "complaint" here has been present from season 1, unless you're talking about the first episode.

You're blowing shit out your ass, you just dislike that the show's gotten popular.

It's fine to dislike the show but don't act like it's become shit because you're not a super-special snowflake for being the only one to like it.

>>94454873
>season 2 was fantastic in a different way.
you are a fucking idiot

>>94454948
If you werent such a virgin, you would know for a fact that Women are shit content creators

>lol you just don't like it because it's popular! XD

perhaps you are the memesters

>>94454969
and you're upset about it.
>>94454971
The females didnt take the helm till S3. so you're saying 1 and 2 were flawless?

>>94454992
They were fucking watcheable at the very least, I'm expecting this season to take a nosedive in quality

I liked it better when the should would have a science fiction themed concept or idea and based the episode and humor around that idea I think their problem was getting too lore heavy

>>94454966

>It's been the same from the beginning

Yeah, no. The characters had heart in the
beginning, they don't now.

I actually like that it's popular so I can discuss it though.

>>94454969
Settle down there.

I have the strong feeling they wanted the show to be Family Guy 2.0 but it just happened to have a few good episodes and faggots tend to forget the bad episodes of S1.

>>94454971
If you weren't such a retard, you would understand there are plenty of talented female content creators and artists and that artistic talent is not gender exclusive

>>94455004
well then its a good thing you're not forced to watch it

>>94454738
Seriously, why are we cutting out the biggest issue?

>>94455083
its like claiming the worst part of a show is its fanbase. the show cant be help responsible for who does and doesnt follow it

>>94455103
Except the whole show is basically meme-bait.

The episode hasn't aired and "PICKLE RICK" has become a fucking thing. "SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT" continues to be a thing. They intentionally pick some stupid fucking line and repeat it ad nauseum in choice episodes to create this bullshit and people eat it up.

>>94455103

If the memes are in the show itself and not created from the show, that's an issue.

Just like if a horrible fanbase starts affecting the show quality (like what happened with Homestuck) it becomes a problem with the series itself.

The whole gimmick of the show was that it was to be carried by the fanbase rather than the plot or anything of genuine quality, first season was meant to fools peoples into believing it would be a worthwhile investment of their attention and it worked. Basically he wanted to make a Seinfield cartoon that could survive for years with extremely low effort from its producers. Alas Roiland jumped shark far too early and went full retard with season 2, barely giving a damn about the shit he put out because he was sure that his retarded fanbase would swallow it all up because muh random. It backfired and the whole show went back into darkness as about as quickly as it came out of it.

Like honestly the drop of quality from season 1 to 2 is massive, to the point that downright retarded shit like the swhifty episode were actually produced.

Basically he gave steroid to a calf hoping to get a milk producing cow faster and instead got a sterile beefed up cow that produce awfully tasting milk that has trace of blood in it but he still trying to sell it as something fancy as to make some money back from his original investment.

>>94454808
You're new, so I'll forgive you. /v/ defines the "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE" attitude. It's all they ever talk about.

>>94454667
Fpbp

>>94455180
Holy shit, when did /x/ get here?

>>94454654
Nothing. It was always mediocre. Fans are just starting to take notice with every new season.

>>94455397

How the fuck is that even /x/? Its literally just producers being lazy fucks and cutting corners, nothing revolutionary or paranormal about it all.

Oh wait, please don't tell me you're the kind of people that believe ''conspiracies'' (aka any kind of corruption that require continuous collusion as to work properly... aka corruption as it is) are a thing of fiction, right? ...right?

PLEASE tell me you're not that naive.

Women writers desu senpai

>>94455524
you're the one cooking up grand scenes with NO evidence whatsoever which just happen to leave you at the center as the poor poor poor victim of society. You're not even using conjecture, just opinions.

>>94455492
>mediocre
just out of curiosity, if you consider R&M mediocre, what do you think is a good animated show?

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>>94454654
>memes aside
>"what went wrong" memepost
makes you think

>>94454779
This is bound to happen to most comedy shows these days anyway; starting off with one-off episodes before expanding into continuity, i.e. Adventure Time and Bojack

>>94455661
Bojack Horseman succeeds in depth where Rick and Morty fails

>>94454826

Didn't watch Season 3, dropped it near the end of season 1 when I knew the show was going to stagnate completely.

Was it character change through organic character development or was it a complete 180 change?

>>94454794
Why do people think the s2 finale was so good? It jad one really good gag (finding something wrong in each planet) and the story was pretty standard.

>>94455005
Completely agreed.

>>94456013
>complete 180 change

>>94454654

>Series comes out
>Generally well liked
>Occasional complaints thrown into the threads
>Creator admits he comes here to shitpost and insult his show
>People come here to hate on the show for those valuable ">t. roiland" (You)s
>More people come in and see people hating on the show and now make throwaway threads with the intent of annoying those people because the new way to shitpost on 4chan is to make a thread about something repeatedly
>Show now has a developed hatebase on 4chan

Rick worked when he was a grumpy abusive cynical anti-hero who honestly did more harm than good on a regular basis.

They didn't need to make him act several generations younger than he actually is.

They didn't need to give him "wacky" catchphrases.

And they didn't need to have him break the fourth wall with zero subtlety.

He was fine when he felt like the perfect parody of both the eccentric scientist and take-you-on-adventures grandfather cliche by showing what it would be like if those people were actually complete assholes. Then they added a bunch of shit that started to make it feel more like they were playing those cliches straight.

Rick turned into a mary sue.

>>94454654
It's been shit since the beginning, nothing went wrong

i think the show is still fine but does anyone else hope that they stop using the shitty lazy alien names like "shpleckleborf blorgulon pirplenarp"? that shit wasn't ever funny

>>94455867
Bojack actually got better with the later episodes though.

>>94457214
It got better, but the only likeable character is Bojack. And the animation is like south park only unintentionally bad and not in a stylized way.

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>>94454654
>what actually went wrong?

NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTHHHHIIIIIINNNNGGGG

IT WASN'T GOOD FROM THE SSSSSTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTT

>>94454654
Nothing. It's just butthurt whites annoyed that their evil is coming to and end and they'll be bred into the rainbow.

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>>94454705
I liked when Rick was just Doc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfsg_eor5TM

I don't think anything really went wrong, they're popular and I just don't find the show that good. They don't have to be mutually exclusive concepts though the most recent episode wasn't funny to me it ended alright but the visuals were pretty banal even for R&M. I also miss when Jerry was a schlubby guy who character was built upon the little stupid things we do, which was a great reason to hate him, making him into the bitch boy got old in season two and it's nice to see them doubling down on a bad idea.

But hey who am I but some dumb fat depressed guy talking over the Internet. It's not like I'm the dumb fat depressed guy who created this thing talking on the internet

>>94457445
Shills need to leave.

>>94455009
>Yeah, no. The characters had heart in the
>beginning, they don't now.
Literally the first episode has Rick showing no regard for Morty whatsoever, and Morty being a complete doormat. If anything they've developed more heart along the way.

>>94454740
Basically. Too many "normies" like it so they don't feel special if they admit it was fun.

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>>94454715
>>94454740
>>94454985
>>94458885
what is it about this show that attracts the most normal of faggots?

I just finished Season 2 and found it to be better than the first one in every way.

>>94459351
art style maybe

>>94456169
so what went wrong was episodes 1 and 2

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Harmons constant annoying bickery and sjw cuckery.

It's likely why Roiland is doing his own show without dan for fox called solar opposites:

the pilot was too pure for the rest of the show

rick and morty wanted to be this generation's futurama but it actually ended up being the an extra edgy family guy

>>94454686
>>94454835
This is a new and original bait
I like it .
Please make more

>>94454654
Harmon preferring to do movie parody episodes to anything else because they are easy

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It took three seasons to introduce pickle rick

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>>94454654
>dude,le god doesnt exists hehehe *burp*

>>94454779
More like drifting too far into a formula. Too much reddit-tier, feelgood, character "development" plot. Comedy-killing trend. Southpark died the same way. Worse part is normies eat this shit up, so it'll only get worse.

>>94454881
This

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>>94461275
Pickle Rick is the key to all of this.

>>94461338
>Too much reddit-tier, feelgood, character "development" plot.
That wasn't the original formula though.

>>94454654

Nothing

/pol/ is what went wrong with 4chan though

>dan harmon didn't hire me to write for his show! oppression! triggered! muh discrimination i will sue!

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>>94454654
>Jerry is the punchline to everything he's apart of
>Beth is a non-character who's only reason for existing is to suck Ricks dick
>Creators decide to make a HUGE subplot about this.
>Beth and Jerry gets no real character development compared to other episodes
>Morty and Summer get over this in the span of one episode which makes it feel forced
>Rick is obvious in his plans but no one is catching on to it.
It feels like no one is actually developing, just changing into a equally shitty person.

>>94461429
Roiland may have gone too far in a few places.

It pays lip service to heavy continuity and character development without following through on it in any meaningful or well-developed way.

>>94461303
You know I see this a lot, that's not really an argument. The atheism is just part of Rick's personality, and he's only one part of the show's two protagonists, but literally everybody forgets about Morty. Didn't you see season one's finale?, because in there this aspect of his personality is somewhat expanded.

What went wrong is Harmon is utterly self-loathing and Roiland is super easy going, and that dynamic already made it really hard to write the show.

Then it blows the fuck up in popularity, to the point Spencer Gifts is selling shot glasses with Rick's face on them, so there's more pressure than ever to produce a great show and keep the momentum going.

The female writer thing, it's part of it, although not THE reason. Harmon of course acted ashamed and tried to rectify it immediately, overcompensating in the process, and to this day Roiland is surprised it was ever an actual issue (which it wasn't until a bunch whiners made it one.) Either way, it helps complicate matters.

It was possibly always going to turn out like this, because you have these high concept episodes that you dumb down into silliness, and now you're expected to keep doing that, when they very well could have run out of ideas. That leaves you with the typical options to create an ongoing plot, which goes against the idea of a world where anything can happen and you can simply jump dimensions (Roiland himself admits he doesn't have all the answers in terms of what and who we're looking at.) It's not that the divorce is a bad story necessarily, but the characters now have to react and revolve around it and that can make the process even worse.

My issue was I figured we'd get more development out of the other characters trying to bust Rick out of jail, but instead we got an "I let myself get captured because it was all a clever ruse" ass pull.

>>94454654
I still like Rick and Morty but as much as before. Season 1 was more subdued with the humor. Notice how towards season 2/3 a lot of the humor in Rick and Morty consists of yelling and cursing. The show is also more mean spirited now while before there was a perfect balance. Thats just my opinion though.

>>94461853
The show was driven by Morty before. It's driven by Rick now.

>>94454971
The he man woman haters club is that way >>>/pol/

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>>94454794
Yeah, I liked the depressive side of Rick's character emphasizing how he's basically given up on everything in his acceptance of the chaos of the universe.

Not really a fan of the action-hero thing they're going for with him at the start of season 3 though. It felt like his choice to turn himself in to the authorities was supposed to be a major turning point of him caring about someone other than himself, but it was just a set-up for him to effortlessly take down the government and get the council of Ricks killed for little to no reason.

>>94461853
*but not as much as before
>>94461870
This, I feel like focus also shifted more to the family rather than Rick and Morty. The characters have also changed slightly. In season one Jerry had more victories. I also noticed that Jerry and Rick weren't as at odds with each other. Morty and Summer are way more aggressive in season 2, same with Beth.

I still like the show but I can't help but wonder what it would've been like if instead of Rick going full asshole towards everyone it had kept the Rick we saw in the pilot. Not so antagonistic towards everybody and even when he's screwing over Morty he's also complimenting him for his good ideas (using the gravity shoes to escape) and seems to have genuine affection for him (Rick and Morty 900 years, etc). Basically I wish Rick was more of the Doc Brown crazy guy who for whatever reason enjoys having Morty around to do crazy shit with as opposed to current Rick who hates everyone and just puts up with Morty.

>>94461560
I don't want for me to be hired as a writer, I wanted for the writing team to be the same as it was before, who the fuck cares if it was small, it was alright, not bad, not good. Whoever wrote the first six episodes of season one should be brought back at least once, no matter who it was. The rest of season 1, and season 2 was kind of... varying in quality I guess.

>>94454654
Literally nothing.

S03E01 was savage television

S03E02 was good. Not the best, the solidly entertaining.

I get the impression if Rick and Morty started with reason 3 /co/ would be loving it, and if season 3 was replaced with season 1 /co/ would find ways to hate it for perceived changes.

You really do need to get into the mindset of the faggot atheist Redditor to understand why this show is so popular. These people have never heard of adult animation in their lifes that wasn't stuff like Family Guy, it was completely alien to them. And they can't laugh at these shows because they consider these shows stupid. They want a show that isn't necessarily smart or funny or well-written, but that appears to be to appeal to their surface-level taste. Because these people live for that mindless self-validation. They don't actually understand what makes for good writing or good comedy, nor have they ever picked a book about physics. They want to pretend they do so and circlejerk themselves, that's what matters. Rick and Morty is just perfect for its demographic: these same college-age self-important Bernouts who "fucking love science". The entire foundation of the show is built upon the dichotomy between "silly sci-fi humor and references" and " things are super deep and tragic bro". This pseudo-intellectual "nothing even matters, I'm insecure about existence, we are all going to die" bullshit that R&M shits out in almost every episode is what appeals to it's audience. The show doesn't actually have the tact to even begin to offer an interesting presentation and discussion of any philosophy, so it spouts these edgy teenage catchphrases. Nevermind the bean-headed, noodle-limbed unexpressive character design, or how the story is non-existent and only comes up when the writers beg you to feel something for these characters so devoid of substance, or how the entire show is a trendy forgettable scenario of the week memefest with just enough sci-fi references to trick kids into thinking they are smart for understanding them, or how the characters have somehow been reduced to even more obnoxious caricatures than before, none of these things matter. What matters is that it appeals to the millenial redditor audience, and that's what's selling Rick and Morty.

my wifes son loves this show

nothing, it's great

it's still great

hating it is just an ironic meme, don't fall for the negahype

>>94462159
>"my wifes son"
found the cuck

>>94462067
>I can't stand a show that features atheism or nihilism. Even if the only character who embraces those things is clearly not someone you're meant to look into and the show makes it overwhelmingly clear on a regular basis he doesn't really buy into any of those things deep down.
Check out this autism

>>94462247
>Can't detect an obvious joke
Found the aspergers syndrome

>>94459351
>>94459622
The show being good. I have heard normies love when a show does that.

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IM PICKLE RICK!

>>94462288
>Found the aspergers syndrome
found the cuck

>>94462362
xDDD I can't believe you've done this

>>94462383

I posted it earlier in a few separate threads that had R&M topics... oh well. enjoy :)

You really do need to get into the mindset of the faggot atheist Redditor to understand why this show is so popular. These people have never heard of adult animation in their lifes that wasn't stuff like Family Guy, it was completely alien to them. And they can't laugh at these shows because they consider these shows stupid. They want a show that isn't necessarily smart or funny or well-written, but that appears to be to appeal to their surface-level taste. Because these people live for that mindless self-validation. They don't actually understand what makes for good writing or good comedy, nor have they ever picked a book about physics. They want to pretend they do so and circlejerk themselves, that's what matters. Rick and Morty is just perfect for its demographic: these same college-age self-important Bernouts who "fucking love science". The entire foundation of the show is built upon the dichotomy between "silly sci-fi humor and references" and " things are super deep and tragic bro". This pseudo-intellectual "nothing even matters, I'm insecure about existence, we are all going to die" bullshit that R&M shits out in almost every episode is what appeals to it's audience. The show doesn't actually have the tact to even begin to offer an interesting presentation and discussion of any philosophy, so it spouts these edgy teenage catchphrases. Nevermind the bean-headed, noodle-limbed unexpressive character design, or how the story is non-existent and only comes up when the writers beg you to feel something for these characters so devoid of substance, or how the entire show is a trendy forgettable scenario of the week memefest with just enough sci-fi references to trick kids into thinking they are smart for understanding them, or how the characters have somehow been reduced to even more obnoxious caricatures than before, none of these things matter. What matters is that it appeals to the millenial redditor audience, and that's what's selling Rick and Morty.

>>94459351
its not a niche show for a niche audience and most people can relate to having a retard like Jerry in their life trying to ruin their family

>>94454654
>hire degenerate mudslime trannies to jewnimate the show with their commie dicks
>act surprised when the cuck apocalypse cucks the world with chadcocks

WHAT A SHOCK OI VEY!

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>>94462359
you have to go back

>>94454654
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYbtfzDr_Jw
Do you feel sorry now?

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>>94462669

>>94454779
>>94454705
They really seemed to jump the shark on creating a story so heavily focused on continuity so quickly

>>94454654
Ever since the satan episode /tv/ and /pol/ have made it nearly impossible to discuss this show again.

>>94464526
Well when people get that triggered there's not much you can do

>>94454654
I don't think anything went wrong.
I think the show is still great, and the only thing that went "wrong" was the same thing that goes "Wrong" with anything that gets popular;
A bunch of insecure teenagers who would rather rip off their own fapping arm than be any way associated with the "mainstream".