Hickman confirms Marvel are petty cunts about Fantastic Four

>>94427057
>”I think it’s pretty common knowledge at this point that Marvel isn’t publishing Fantastic Four because of their disagreement with Fox.”
FINALLY THEY COME RIGHT OUT AND SAY IT!

i'm not really sure hickman realizes that there's a big difference between being "pretty common knowledge" and having writers outright fucking confirm it

Man, I wonder if people will actually care now.
Who am I kidding, nobody actually seemed to give a shit before.

>>94427057
We needed someone to confirm that? Not to get snooty or anything, but it was always pretty obvious.

That said, it's pathetically sad that a publisher will outright refuse to publish one of their big name IPs solely because they can't make a movie with it.

Even comic book companies don't give a shit about comic books.

>>94427202
I'm sure he knows. But with the way Fan4astic and its related projects flopped, why should he bother to keep up the ruse? Brevoort shouldn't even give a fuck (although I'm sure that he will).

>>94427234
Which is fucking stupid
Marvel comics has nothing to do with Marvel Studios.
It's like this loser guy trying to look cool to the big and cool boys

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You people wouldn't even know we cancelled Fantastic Four.

>>94427252
The same reason on why they are doubling down on the legacy shitters, Marvel can't be ever wrong.

>>94427259
I'm gonna need a source on that quote.

>>94427316
http://brevoortformspring.tumblr.com/post/107985570613/or-any-new-licenses-no-spotlight-on-x-men-or-f4

>>94427337
>>94427259
>If the news didn't report on it you wouldn't have even known
Marvel and their employees are such despicable people.

>>94427384


iirc he was saying "you wouldnt have noticed we removed the xmen and f4 characters from shirts if it wasnt on the news"

>>94427259
>>94427337
He's not wrong. Nobody gives a single solitary fuck about comic books.

And frankly, it's hardly surprising.
>legitimately toxic community
>shit business practices
>lack of genre variety
>little to no accessibility
>comically incompetent editors desperately trying to be writers
>childish or outright insane writers
>seriously, fuck comics fans, they are every bit the vicious, entitled, sub-normal scum the media likes to portray them as
It's just an utter fucking mess.

It's gotten to the point where comics only really exist anymore to be the foundation of other media. Goddamn.

>>94427436
I read it, there's just one glaring problem. People noticed anyway.

>>94427457
>heh, comicbook readers amirate?

>>94427457
Honestly this. Actual comic fans are a group of no more than 200,000 people, and it's just vile these days.
But you're on /co/, why the fuck are you here if you didn't already know this?

>>94427457
Did someone who reads comic books hurt you or something? Or did you read one,get a paper cut and then developed an autistic hate for an entire industry?

>>94427591
>Legitimately toxic community
That's partly true, but I don't think that's a comic book issue.

>Shit business practices
True dat.
>Lack of genre variety
Ehh I think that's only capeshit, but his point still stands.
>Little to no accessibility
This I like, but also just a capeshit issue.
>Comically incompetend editors desperately trying to be writers
This is more a Marvel issue. See DC's Peter Tomasi.
>Childish or outright insane writers
Also a Marvel issue.

He's not wrong. He's right to different degrees about everything.

>>94427623
>Kate !MARA.QPFVA
who

>>94427644
I've transitioned.

>>94427644
Just ignore them until they take the name off

>>94427057
Jeff Lemire totally wanted to write an FF book before leaving marvel and they said no so DC gave him FF pastiche.

Screencap this

>>94427205
A tiny percentage of the people who bitch about the lack of FF have ever actually read any FF. Most of them are just offended "on principle," despite most of Marvel being such a shitshow currently that I have no idea why you'd want them around to be shit on by Slott or Bendis.

Not defending Marvel, just saying that /co/ really does not read comics. To me a casual is someone who likes the idea of something and wants to talk about it but doesn't want to put any work into learning about it.

>>94427252
Brevoort's a company man who does not criticize his company's policies in public.

The guy edited FF for over a decade (FF, Avengers and Captain America seem to be his preferred franchises to edit), there's no way it was his decision to squash them, but once the orders come from on high he pretends it's all all right.

>>94427591
>>94427573
/co/ is my regular haunt for comics "discussion". Of course I hate comics fans. Seriously, you "people" make me ashamed to like this medium.

>>94427777

most of the people who bitch are xmen fans, because this proves the disagreement with Fox is the reason for everything they had had, and have to endure.
Marvel accuses them of being lunatics who believe in conspiracy theories.

also, the number of people who browse /co/ and used to buy F4, must be much higher than the people who have a weekly Carol Danvers thread. it is not like Hickmans F4 was obscure.
I expect many posters here to have read (perhaps through storytimes) 60s F4, Byrne, and Hickmans.

>>94427876
>you "people"
You're literally no better than us.

>>94427798
I used to have a lot of respect for Brevoort as an editor, but his behavior in recent years has been contemptible.

>>94427777
A lot of us have read Hickmans Fantastic 4, and some of Kirby's but not much. We just haven't read other stuff

>>94427876
Anon, are you saying that because other people who you disagree with over how they act share a hobby with you somehow diminishes your enjoyment of it? Because that's fucking retarded.

>>94428075
I'm saying I wouldn't be caught dead in public with a comic book, cause I'm likely to get lynched and my body desecrated for it.

>>94427978
I'm certainly better than you. I don't go around throwing offensive slurs at people for not having the same opinions as me.

>inb4 "but I don't do that"
Yes you do. We wouldn't be having this conversation if you didn't. I can practically smell the lack of self awareness on you.

>>94428301
>I'm saying I wouldn't be caught dead in public with a comic book
I used to read a lot of fantasy novels and I got WAY more negative comments about that than I ever have with comics. These days people ask me about what I'm reading and will strike up a conversation lots. The stigma that comics have is mainly from /lit/ people who still think Shakespeare is the only relevant writer

>>94427057
>B-B-B-BUT Marvel Rebirth!
What about it?
I don't think anyone expected the FF to show up in Legacy.

>>94428301
This whole post reads like bait.

>I'm saying I wouldn't be caught dead in public with a comic book, cause I'm likely to get lynched and my body desecrated for it.
Grow a pair and don't be so ashamed of your hobby

>I'm certainly better than you.
No one is better than anyone else you self conscious little prick

>>94428377
/lit/ are fags
There's nothing wrong with trashy science fiction or fantasy novels
Comic books are fun too

>>94427751
Why bother screencapping this? That's pretty obviously just true.

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Based marvel.

>>94427234
>We needed someone to confirm that? Not to get snooty or anything, but it was always pretty obvious.

It was pretty obvious but if you notice between here, and the comments section of OP's link, and a lot of other places, there's inexplicably a bunch of posters trying to keep pushing the "Fantastic Four were canceled because of low sales" narrative or "Nobody cares about the Fantastic Four" narrative. Then when confronted by how there were still books that had low sales that keep getting relaunched, they only point to Ms Marvel and Squirrel Girl and Moon Girl's success in other markets (which is true) but don't have much to say about Inhumans or Captain Marvel other than empty defenses.

>>94427254
You're a fucking idiot

Marvel Studios: only does movies
Marvel Entertainment: run by Ike, who also oversees merchandise approval along with overseeing the comic, TV, and cartoon departments

Fantastic Four merchandise and comic are affected so that's all on Marvel Entertainment.

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>>94427750
>Just ignore them until they take the name off
And when would that be? How long will you wait?

>>94427978
Okay, can you maybe have an elitist attitude and stop being so nice? We're a comic book board.

>>94427999
Him talking about how getting fans angry is a great way to drive up sales and then quitting twitter last month because "things have gotten too toxic" is fucking hilarious

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DCEU Terrifics movie when?

>>94427999
I don't 100% blame him (though he does deserve a lot of blame for certain things) because Fantastic Four is his favorite book and he obviously has to spin for dumbass decisions by his bosses. And if you look back at what he says he deliberately made it open for interpretation. Like his comment in response to someone asking about X-Men stuff:

"If you had two things, and on one you earned 100% of the revenues from the efforts that you put into making it, and the other you earned a much smaller percentage for the same amount of time and effort, you’d be more likely to concentrate more heavily on the first, wouldn’t you?"

is deliberately worded to make people think Fox got a cut from ALL X-Men merchandise, since the person who asked him was asking about DOFP stuff and a Goldballs figure and X-Men cartoons.

>>94427057
baswed

>>94430099

we cant even get a fucking Green Lantern

>>94427623
People who pretend that Tomasi is a good writer should be sent to mental institutions where their shit taste condition can be studied.

>>94427777

>7777

Fantastic Four sevens are witnessed.

>>94430099
It would be funny just to see Fox and Marvel reeeeee

>>94427457
Why the fuck are you even here?

>>94427057
>One of the foundations of Marvel
>One of the most celebrated runs in mainstream comics
>One of the most enduring and known teams in comic history

>Pushed them out like a cancer because movies

Good job on celebrating Kirby's memory, Marvel. Assholes.

>>94427457
This is a pretty accurate description of Marvel, but not the rest of the industry.

>>94430733
Stupendous Seven to launch as part of Marvel Nowest six months after Legacy to replace the cancelled Marvel Two-In-One

Starring Captain Marvel, Black Bolt, Iron Man, Star-Lord, Groot, Moon Girl, and Thanos

>>94427457
I'm more venemous than toxic these days, but fair point.

>>94427777
>A tiny percentage of the people who bitch about the lack of FF have ever actually read any FF. Most of them are just offended "on principle,"
Fuck off, please. Quit making shit up.

No one gives a shit about the F4 in the year 2017. They no longer reflect the average family model, Reed and Sue have never once been divorced in all their years of marriage, it's unbelievable.

>>94434290

No one believes you anymore, Marvel intern

>>94434290
>No one gives a shit about the F4 in the year 2017
No matter how many times you say it, it won't make it true, mouseketeer.

>They no longer reflect the average family model
They never did! How many families have the uncle and godfather help raise the kids?

>>94434345
if the FF titles had been selling, they never would have been cancelled, Marvel would have kept publishing them like they do X-Men. arguing Marvel won't publish a FF comic because Fox holds the movie rights while they still publish X-Men which Fox has rights to to is pretty stupid.

just read one of the FF books DC is launching soon

>>94434406
>if the FF titles had been selling, they never would have been cancelled,

Sales for Robinson's Fantastic Four all the way to cancellation:

02/14 Fantastic Four v6 #1 - 65,775 ( 134.5%)
03/14 Fantastic Four v6 #2 - 37,569 ( -42.9%)
04/14 Fantastic Four v6 #3 - 34,930 ( -7.0%)
05/14 Fantastic Four v6 #4 - 33,263 ( -4.8%)
05/14 Fantastic Four v6 #5 - 33,336 ( 0.2%)
06/14 Fantastic Four v6 #6 - 33,177 ( -0.5%) O.S. Tie-In
07/14 Fantastic Four v6 #7 - 33,687 ( 1.5%) O.S. Tie-In
08/14 Fantastic Four v6 #8 - 30,674 ( -8.9%) O.S. Tie-In
08/14 Fantastic Four v6 #9 - 28,827 ( -6.0%)
09/14 Fantastic Four v6 #10 - 28,118 ( -2.5%)
10/14 Fantastic Four v6 #11 - 26,938 ( -4.2%)
10/14 Fantastic Four v6 #12 - 26,638 ( -1.1%)
11/14 Fantastic Four v6 #13 - 25,432 ( -4.5%)
12/14 Fantastic Four v6 #14 - 24,716 ( -2.8%)
01/15 Fantastic Four #642 – 30,118 ( +21,9%)
02/15 Fantastic Four #643 – 32,302 ( + 7.3%)
03/15 Fantastic Four #644 – 32,947 ( + 2.0%)
04/15 Fantastic Four #645 – 39,389 ( +19.6%) END

Sales of Captain Marvel by the month Fantastic Four got canceled:

03/14 Captain Marvel v7 #1 - 44,248
04/14 Captain Marvel v7 #2 - 28,008 (-36.7%)
05/14 Captain Marvel v7 #3 - 26,057 ( -7.0%)
06/14 Captain Marvel v7 #4 - 24,062 ( -7.7%)
07/14 Captain Marvel v7 #5 - 23,666 ( -1.6%)
08/14 Captain Marvel v7 #6 - 21,221 (-10.3%)
09/14 Captain Marvel v7 #7 - 21,022 ( -0.9%)
10/14 Captain Marvel v7 #8 - 20,692 ( -1.6%)
11/14 Captain Marvel v7 #9 - 19,885 ( -3.9%)
12/14 Captain Marvel v7 #10 - 19,973 ( 0.4%)
01/15 Captain Marvel v7 #11 – 19,527 ( -2,2%)
02/15 Captain Marvel v7 #12 – 19,199 ( -1.7%)
03/15 Captain Marvel v7 #13 – 21,915 (+14.1%)
04/15 Captain Marvel v7 #14 – 30,560 (+39.5%)

>>94434406
I hope you're memeing. It was selling far above cancellation level and about the same as the big X-books do now.

>>94434738
Sales of Miles Morales Spider-Man at the time Fantastic Four got canceled:

05/14 M.M. Ult Spider-Man #1 - 45,864 ( 10.2%)
06/14 M.M. Ult Spider-Man #2 - 38,231 (-16.6%)
07/14 M.M. Ult Spider-Man #3 - 37,240 ( -2.6%)
08/14 M.M. Ult Spider-Man #4 - 34,836 ( -6.5%)
09/14 M.M. Ult Spider-Man #5 - 34,140 ( -2.0%)
10/14 M.M. Ult Spider-Man #6 - 33,057 ( -3.2%)
11/14 M.M. Ult Spider-Man #7 - 31,607 ( -4.4%)
12/14 M.M. Ult Spider-Man #8 - 31,448 ( -0.5%)
01/15 M.M. Ult Spider-man #9 – 30,135 ( -4.2%)
02/15 M.M. Ult Spider-man #10- 29,321 ( -2.7%)
03/15 M.M. Ult Spider-Man #11- 29,101 ( -0.8%)
04/15 M.M. Ult Spider-Man #12- 29,318 ( +0.7%) END

Sales of Hulk at the time Fantastic Four got canceled:

04/14 Hulk v3 #1 - 73,551
04/14 Hulk v3 #2 - 40,590 (-44.8%)
05/14 Hulk v3 #3 - 37,639 ( -7.3%)
06/14 Hulk v3 #4 - 35,377 ( -6.0%)
08/14 Hulk v3 #5 - 34,903 ( -1.3%)
09/14 Hulk v3 #6 - 33,032 ( -5.4%)
10/14 Hulk v3 #7 - 35,084 ( 6.2%)
11/14 Hulk v3 #8 - 34,483 ( -1.7%)
12/14 Hulk v3 #9 - 27,697 (-19.7%)
01/15 Hulk v3 #10 - 27,553 ( -0.5%)
02/15 Hulk v3 #11 - 27,317 ( -0.9%)
03/15 Hulk v3 #12 - 25,568 ( -6.4%)
03/15 Hulk v3 #13 - 26,890 ( +5.2%)
04/15 Hulk v3 #14 - 28,494 (+6.0%)
04/15 Hulk v3 #15 - 26,118 (-8.3%)

>>94434759
Sales of X-Men (the one by Brian Wood and later G. Willow Wilson) at the time Fantastic Four was canceled:

08/14 X-Men v4 #18 - 35,543 ( -2.0%)
09/14 X-Men v4 #19 - 33,737 ( -5.1%)
10/14 X-Men v4 #20 - 33,004 ( -2.2%)
11/14 X-Men v4 #21 - 31,468 ( -4.7%)
12/14 X-Men v4 #22 - 30,200 ( -4.0%)
01/15 X-Men v4 #23 - 29,650 ( -1.8%)
02/15 X-Men v4 #24 - 28,414 ( -4.2%)
03/15 X-Men v4 #25 - 30,876 ( +8.7%)
04/15 X-Men v4 #26 - 27,640 ( -10.5%)

>>94430099
>DCEU Terrifics
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/07/21/fantastic-not-the-outsiders-but-the-terrifics-from-jeff-lemire-and-ivan-reis-at-dc/

>>94434779
Sales of Amazing X-Men by the time Fantastic Four got canceled:

07/14 Amazing X-Men v2 #9 - 40,562 ( -2.5%)
08/14 Amazing X-Men v2 #10 - 36,405 ( -10.2%)
09/14 Amazing X-Men v2 #11 - 34,552 ( -5.1%)
10/14 Amazing X-Men v2 #12 - 32,966 ( -4.6%)
11/14 Amazing X-Men v2 #13 - 36,338 ( 10.2%)
12/14 Amazing X-Men v2 #14 - 31,468 ( -13.4%)(Axis)
01/15 Amazing X-Men v2 #15 - 29,868 ( -5.1%)
01/15 Amazing X-Men v2 #16 - 28,416 ( -4.9%)
02/15 Amazing X-Men v2 #17 - 27,513 ( -3.2%)
03/15 Amazing X-Men v2 #18 - 27,058 ( -1.7%)
04/15 Amazing X-Men v2 #19 - 26,859 ( -0.7%)

Sales of Inhuman by the time Fantastic Four got canceled:

04/14 Inhuman #1 - 58,309
05/14 Inhuman #2 - 41,810 ( -28.3%)
08/14 Inhuman #3 - 37,159 ( -11.1%)
08/14 Inhuman #4 - 34,215 ( -7.9%)
09/14 Inhuman #5 - 32,719 ( -4.4%)
09/14 Inhuman #6 - 30,761 ( -6.0%)
10/14 Inhuman #7 - 29,903 ( -2.8%)
11/14 Inhuman #8 - 50,766 ( -15.0%)
12/14 Inhuman #9 - 25,962 ( -48.9%)
12/14 Inhuman #10- 25,445 ( -2.0%)
01/15 Inhuman #11- 24,410 (- 4.1%)
02/15 Inhuman #12- 24,689 (+ 1.1%)
03/15 Inhuman #13- 25,510 (+ 3.3%)
04/15 Inhuman #14- 26,194 (+ 2.7%)

>>94427777
I'd read comics if they weren't fucking terrible.

>>94434809
Sales of Wolverines by the time Fantastic Four got canceled:

01/15 Wolverines #1 – 73,650
01/15 Wolverines #2 – 43,573 (-41.8%)
01/15 Wolverines #3 – 42,051 (- 3.5%)
01/15 Wolverines #4 – 39,790 (- 5.4%)
02/15 Wolverines #5 – 32,953 (-17.2%)
02/15 Wolverines #6 – 31,710 (-3.8%)
02/15 Wolverines #7 – 30,617 (-3.4%)
02/15 Wolverines #8 – 29,923 (-2.3%)
03/15 Wolverines #9 – 28,004 (-6.4%)
03/15 Wolverines #10– 27,590 (-1.5%)
03/15 Wolverines #11– 27,148 (-1.6%)
03/15 Wolverines #12– 26,755 (-1.4%)
04/15 Wolverines #13- 25,790 (-3.6%)
04/15 Wolverines #14- 25,434 (-1.4%)
04/15 Wolverines #15- 25,173 (-1.0%)
04/15 Wolverines #16- 25,239 (+0.3%)

Sales of Moon Knight by the time Fantastic Four got canceled:

03/14 Moon Knight v5 #1 - 58,022 ( --- ) [7,266]
04/14 Moon Knight v5 #2 - 40,885 (-29.5%) [3,621]
05/14 Moon Knight v5 #3 - 42,607 ( 4.2%)
06/14 Moon Knight v5 #4 - 40,348 ( -5.3%)
07/14 Moon Knight v5 #5 - 38,630 ( -4.3%)
08/14 Moon Knight v5 #6 - 37,646 ( -2.5%)
09/14 Moon Knight v5 #7 - 35,630 ( -5.4%)
10/14 Moon Knight v5 #8 - 32,434 ( -9.0%)
11/14 Moon Knight v5 #9 - 28,739 (-11.4%)
12/14 Moon Knight v5 #10 - 26,633 ( -7.3%)
01/15 Moon Knight v5 #11 - 24,464 ( -8.1%)
02/15 Moon Knight v5 #12 - 23,486 ( -4.0%)
03/15 Moon Knight v5 #13 - 22,871 ( -2.6%)
04/15 Moon Knight v5 #14 - 22,303 ( -2.5%)

>>94434875
Sales of Silver Surfer by the time Fantastic Four got canceled:

03/14 Silver Surfer v7 #1 - 64,919 ( --- )[2,757]
04/14 Silver Surfer v7 #2 - 39,132 (-39.7%)
06/14 Silver Surfer v7 #3 - 36,075 ( -7.8%)
07/14 Silver Surfer v7 #4 - 32,747 ( -9.2%)
08/14 Silver Surfer v7 #5 - 31,125 ( -5.0%)
10/14 Silver Surfer v7 #6 - 28,052 ( -9.9%)
11/14 Silver Surfer v7 #7 - 25,759 ( -8.2%)
01/15 Silver Surfer #8 - 23,420 (-9.1%)
02/15 Silver Surfer #9 - 21,716 (-7.3%)
03/15 Silver Surfer #10- 21,100 (-2.8%)
04/15 Silver Surfer #11- 20,776 (-1.5%)

>>94434901
Sales of Punisher by the time Fantastic Four got canceled:

02/14 Punisher v10 #1 – 54,558 ( --- )
02/14 Punisher v10 #2 – 31,709 ( -41.9%)
03/14 Punisher v10 #3 – 29,636 ( -5.6%)
04/14 Punisher v10 #4 – 28,435 ( -5.0%)
05/14 Punisher v10 #5 – 27,471 ( -3.4%)
06/14 Punisher v10 #6 – 26,606 ( -3.1%)
06/14 Punisher v10 #7 – 26,192 ( -1.6%)
07/14 Punisher v10 #8 – 25,957 ( -0.9%)
08/14 Punisher v10 #9 – 25,876 ( -0.3%)
09/14 Punisher v10 #10 – 23,680 ( -8.5%)
10/14 Punisher v10 #11 – 28,710 ( 21.2%)
11/14 Punisher v10 #12 – 21,785 ( -24.1%)
12/14 Punisher v10 #13 – 21,248 ( -2.5%)
01/15 Punisher v10 #14 – 21,382 (+ 0.4%)
02/15 Punisher v10 #15 – 19,825 (- 7.3%)
03/15 Punisher v10 #16 – 21,607 (+ 9.0%)
04/15 Punisher v10 #17 – 19,762 (- 8.5%)

Sales of Black Widow by the time Fantastic Four got canceled:

01/14 Black Widow #1 - 53,879
01/14 Black Widow #2 - 31,260 ( -42.0%)
02/14 Black Widow #3 – 28,127 ( -10.0%)
03/14 Black Widow #4 – 27,378 ( -2.7%)
04/14 Black Widow #5 – 27,055 ( -1.2%)
05/14 Black Widow #6 – 26,136 ( -3.4%)
06/14 Black Widow #7 – 25,423 ( -2.7%)
07/14 Black Widow #8 – 24,555 ( -3.4%)
08/14 Black Widow #9 – 24,885 ( 1.3%)
09/14 Black Widow #10 – 23,687 ( -4.8%)
10/14 Black Widow #11 – 23,922 ( 1.0%)
11/14 Black Widow #12 – 22,971 ( -4.0%)
12/14 Black Widow #13 – 21,444 ( -6.6%)
01/15 Black Widow #14 – 20,292 ( - 5,4%)
02/15 Black Widow #15 – 20,581 ( + 1.4%)
03/15 Black Widow #16 – 21,607 ( + 5.0%)
04/15 Black Widow #17 – 18,851 ( -12.8%)

>>94434936

Sales of Nova by the time Fantastic Four got canceled:

02/14 Nova#13.Now – 26,147 ( 4.4%)
03/14 Nova v5 #14 – 23,459 ( -10.3%)
03/14 Nova v5 #15 – 22,996 ( -2.0%)
04/14 Nova v5 #16 – 22,020 ( -4.2%)
05/14 Nova v5 #17 – 21,652 ( -1.7%)
06/14 Nova v5 #18 – 25,875 ( 19.5%) O.S. Tie-In
07/14 Nova v5 #19 – 24,580 ( -5.0%) O.S. Tie-In
08/14 Nova v5 #20 – 24,377 ( -0.8%) O.S. Tie-In
09/14 Nova v5 #21 – 22,338 ( -8.4%)
10/14 Nova v5 #22 – 22,485 ( 0.7%)
11/14 Nova v5 #23 – 21,706 ( -3.5%)(Axis)
11/14 Nova v5 #24 – 21,575 ( -0.6%)(Axis)
12/14 Nova v5 #25 – 21,805 ( 1.1%)(Axis)
01/15 Nova v5 #26 – 19,639 ( -9.9%)
02/15 Nova v5 #27 – 19,168 ( -2.4%)
03/15 Nova v5 #28 – 29,175 ( +52.2%) B. Vortex
04/15 Nova v5 #29 – 18,228 ( -37.5%)
04/15 Nova v5 #30 – 18,635 ( + 2.2%)

>>94430099
>"Hey there, Fantastic Four fans! Feel like there's something missing in your life? Well we here at DC have just the book for you!"

Seriously, you gotta admire the brass fuckin' balls on DC here.

Fantastic Four could have continued, as a lower sales book. It taking a break is okay, it worked for Thor.

Whether it's because of FOX or just giving it a break, whatever. I hated Hickman's FF it was just boring.

Oh and you know what my favorite thing that people claiming that Fantastic Four was canceled for low sales imply? That the 30,000's is a cancellation number. You know what else was in the 30,000's?

01/16- Uncanny X-Men #1 - 93,252
01/16 Uncanny X-Men #2 - 55,804 (-40.2%)
02/16 Uncanny X-Men #3 - 50,382 (- 9.7%)
03/16 Uncanny X-Men #4 - 46,105 (- 8.5%)
03/16 Uncanny X-Men #5 - 45,887 (- 0.5%)
04/16 Uncanny X-Men #6 - 57,434 (+25.1%) (Apocalypse War)
05/16 Uncanny X-Men #7 - 50,936 (-11.3%) (Apocalypse War)
06/16 Uncanny X-Men #8 - 45,409 (-10.9%) (Apocalypse War)
06/16 Uncanny X-Men #9 - 44,617 (- 1.7%) (Apocalypse War)
07/16 Uncanny X-Men #10- 48,025 (+ 7.6%) (Apocalypse War)
08/16 Uncanny X-Men #11- 42,779 (-10.9%)
09/16 Uncanny X-Men #12- 42,748 (- 0.1%)
09/16 Uncanny X-Men #13- 39,825 (- 6.8%)
10/16 Uncanny X-Men #14- 38,685 (- 2.9%)
11/16 Uncanny X-Men #15- 36,946 (- 4.5%)
12/16 Uncanny X-Men #16- 37,234 (+ 0.8%) (IVX)
01/17 Uncanny X-Men #17- 41,231 (+11.0%) (IVX)
02/17 Uncanny X-Men #18- 34,948 (-15.2%) (IVX)

>>94435040
but hey! Marvel will put again the Two-in-One to promote Moon girl America Kamala and all that crap, isn't that enough?

>>94435090
Oh and

11/15 Extraordinary X-Men #1 - 133,716
11/15 Extraordinary X-Men #2 - 64,595 (-51.7%)
12/15 Extraordinary X-Men #3 - 56,100 (-13.2%)
12/15 Extraordinary X-Men #4 - 49,079 (-12.5%)
01/16 Extraordinary X-Men #5 - 47,404 (- 3.4%)
01/16 Extraordinary X-Men #6 - 47,572 (+ 0.4%)
02/16 Extraordinary X-Men #7 - 47,219 ( - 0.7%)
03/16 Extraordinary X-Men #8 - 62,576 (+32.5%) (Apocalypse Wars)
04/16 Extraordinary X-Men #9 - 51,322 (- 20.0%) (Apocalypse Wars)
05/16 Extraordinary X-Men #10- 50,015 (- 2.5%) (Apocalypse Wars)
06/16 Extraordinary X-Men #11- 45,532 (- 9.0%) (Apocalypse Wars)
07/16 Extraordinary X-Men #12- 48,609 (+ 6.8%) (Apocalypse Wars)
08/16 Extraordinary X-Men #13- 45,037 (- 7.3%)
09/16 Extraordinary X-Men #14- 39,265 (-12.8%)
10/16 Extraordinary X-Men #15- 36,941 (- 5.9%)
11/16 Extraordinary X-Men #16- 34,630 (- 6.3%)
12/16 Extraordinary X-Men #17- 35,276 (+ 1.9%)
01/17 Extraordinary X-Men #18- 38,052 (+ 7.9%) (IVX)
02/17 Extraordinary X-Men #19- 32,328 (-15.0%) (IVX)

>>94435108
And

12/15 All New X-Men #1 - 81,342
12/15 All New X-Men #2 - 56,168 (-30.9%)
01/16 All New X-Men #3 - 50,557 (-10.0%)
02/16 All New X-Men #4 - 50,160 (- 0.8%)
02/16 All New X-Men #5 - 42,402 (-15.5%)
03/16 All New X-Men #6 - 41,061 (- 3.2%)
03/16 All New X-Men #7 - 40,346 (- 1.7%)
04/16 All New X-Men #8 - 39,942 (- 1.0%)
05/16 All New X-Men #9 - 51,549 (+29.1%)(Apocalypse Wars)
06/16 All New X-Men #10- 39,978 (-22.4%) (Apocalypse Wars)
07/16 All New X-Men #11- 42,883 (+ 7.3%) (Apocalypse Wars)
08/16 All New X-Men #12- 39,289 (- 8.4%)
09/16 All New X-Men #13- 34,687 (-11.7%)
10/16 All New X-Men #14- 32,629 (- 5.9%)
11/16 All New X-Men #15- 31,668 (- 2.9%)
12/16 All New X-Men #16- 29,701 (- 6.2%)
01/17 All New X-Men #17- 34,143 (+15.0%)
02/17 All New X-Men #18- 30,334 (-11.2%)
02/17 All New X-Men #1.MU ($5) – 24,202 (-20.2%)

>>94435085
But Fantastic Four had much better sales (actually over 30k) than most of Marvel's roster.

>>94427777

FF bores the shit out of me.

Their associated villains are more interesting than they are.

>>94428301
T. Robyn hood, zombietramps, or boundless reader

>>94435139
I only meant that it's sales weren't the reason it was cancelled.

>>94435133
And you know what? I'm not even gonna post the Squirrel Girl or Ms Marvel or Moon Girl numbers since I do believe they get good numbers in trade form (at least, compared to the rest of Marvel's trade line). So we can give that handicap.

But let's pretend 20,000-30,000 is cancellation level like all the "FF was canceled because of sales" people believe.

10/15 Guardians of Galaxy #1 - 118,342
11/15 Guardians of Galaxy #2 - 51,690 (-56.3%)
12/15 Guardians of Galaxy #3 - 53,627 (+3.7%)
01/16 Guardians of Galaxy #4 - 46,215 (-13.8%)
02/16 Guardians of Galaxy #5 - 40,581 (-12.2%)
03/16 Guardians of Galaxy #6 - 48,330 (+19.1%)
04/16 Guardians of Galaxy #7 - 40,213 ( -16.8%)
05/16 Guardians of Galaxy #8 - 38,404 (- 4.5%)
06/16 Guardians of Galaxy #9 - 34,542 (-10.1%)
07/16 Guardians of Galaxy #10- 36,614 (+ 6.0%)
08/16 Guardians of Galaxy #11- 34,914 (- 4.6%) (CV2)
09/16 Guardians of Galaxy #12- 32,373 (- 7.3%) (CV2)
10/16 Guardians of Galaxy #13- 29,845 (- 7.8%) (CV2)
11/16 Guardians of Galaxy #14- 28,405 (- 4.8%)
12/16 Guardians of Galaxy #15- 63,338 (+123.0%)
01/17 Guardians of Galaxy #16- 32,890 (-48.1%)
02/17 Guardians of Galaxy #17- 31,093 (- 5.5%)

>>94435347
10/15 Uncanny Avengers #1 - 105,234
11/15 Uncanny Avengers #2 - 55,008 (-47.3%)
12/15 Uncanny Avengers #3 - 53,216 (- 3.3%)
01/16 Uncanny Avengers #4 - 47,172 (-11.4%)
02/16 Uncanny Avengers #5 - 43,618 (- 7.5%)
03/16 Uncanny Avengers #6 - 41,567 (- 4.7%)
03/16 Uncanny Avengers #7 - 47,135 (+13.4%) (Stand Off)
04/16 Uncanny Avengers #8 - 45,659 (- 3.1%) (Stand Off)
05/16 Uncanny Avengers #9 - 40,025 (-12.3%)
06/16 Uncanny Avengers #10- 38,614 (- 3.5%)
07/16 Uncanny Avengers #11- 45,452 (+17.7%)
08/16 Uncanny Avengers #12- 39,337 (-13.5%)
08/16 Uncanny Avengers #13- 37,908 (- 3.6%) (CV2)
09/16 Uncanny Avengers #14- 34,996 (- 7.7%) (CV2)
10/16 Uncanny Avengers #15- 38,058 (+ 8.7%)
11/16 Uncanny Avengers #16- 32,854 (-13.7%) (CV2)
12/16 Uncanny Avengers #17- 31,025 (- 5.6%)
12/16 Uncanny Avengers #18- 30,062 (- 3.1%)
01/17 Uncanny Avengers #19- 33,957 (+13.0%)
02/17 Uncanny Avengers #20- 31,089 (- 8.5%)

>>94435365
11/16 Avengers # 1 - 81,885
12/16 Avengers # 2 - 64,289 (-21.5%)
01/17 Avengers #3 - 44,321 (-31.1%)
01/17 Avengers #1.MU - 30,421 (-31.4%)
02/17 Avengers #4 - 37,383 (+22.9%)
03/17 Avengers #5 - 39,204 (+ 4.9%)
04/17 Avengers #6 - 31,461 (- 19.7%)
05/17 Avengers #7 - 30,681 (- 2.5%)

>>94435392


11/16 Invincible Iron Man # 1- 97,713
12/16 Invincible Iron Man # 2- 81,271 (-16.8%)
01/17 Invincible Iron Man # 3- 44,184 (-45.7%)
02/17 Invincible Iron Man #4- 36,600 (-17.2%)
03/17 Invincible Iron Man #5- 38,746 (+ 5.9%)
04/17 Invincible Iron Man #6- 31,561 (-18.5%)
05/17 Invincible Iron Man #7- 28,266 (-10.4%)

10/16 Infamous Iron Man #1 - 73,735
11/16 Infamous Iron Man #2 - 40,225 (-45.4%)
12/16 Infamous Iron Man #3 - 40,546 (+ 0.8%)
01/17 Infamous Iron Man #4 - 36,373 (-10.3%)
02/17 Infamous Iron Man #5 - 29,685 (-18.4%)
03/17 Infamous Iron Man #6 - 28,319 (- 4.6%)
04/17 Infamous Iron Man #7 - 27,032 (- 4.6%)
05/17 Infamous Iron Man #8 - 26,330 (- 2.6%)

>>94435421
12/16 Hulk #1 - 89,810
01/17 Hulk #2 - 32,585 (-63.7%)
02/17 Hulk #3 - 27,968 (-14.2%)
03/17 Hulk #4 - 30,304 (+ 8.3%)
04/17 Hulk #5 – 22,644 (-25.3%)
05/17 Hulk #6 - 20,482 (- 9.5%)

12/15 Totally Awesome Hulk #1 - 74,471
01/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #2 - 39,469 (-47.0%)
02/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #3 - 35,709 ( - 9.5%)
03/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #4 - 35,285 ( - 1.2%)
04/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #5 - 31,165 (- 11.7%)
05/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #6 - 26,775 (- 14.1%)
06/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #7 - 30,808 (+15.1%) (CV2)
07/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #8 - 27,522 (- 9.2%) (CV2)
07/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #9 - 26,936 (- 2.1%) (CV2)
08/16 ---
09/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #10 - 26,193 (- 2.8%) (CV2)
10/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #11 - 26,259 (+ 1.3%) (CV2)
11/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #12 - 22,448 (-14.5%)
12/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #13 - 22,207 (- 1.1%)
01/17 Totally Awesome Hulk #14 - 22,847 (+ 2.9%)
01/17 Totally Awesome Hulk #15 - 23,623 (+ 3.4%)
02/17 Totally Awesome Hulk #16 - 18,136 (-23.2%)
03/17 Totally Awesome Hulk #17 - 23,020 (+26.9%)
03/17 Totally Awesome Hulk #1.MU - 16,040 (-30.3%) ($5)
04/17 Totally Awesome Hulk #18 - 16,009 (- 0.8%)
05/17 Totally Awesome Hulk #19 - 17,742 (+10.8%)

>>94434809
What's with the huge jump on Inhuman #8, and why is it marked as -15% instead of the +80%?

>>94435347
>FF was canceled because of sales

FF was. F4 was cancelled because it has never had a steady audience since the early 1990s.

>>94435139
When? Random months

Feb 15

Fantastic Four 643 $3.99 Marvel 32,302

Apr 13

Fantastic Four 6 $2.99 Marvel 41,291
Fantastic Four 7 $2.99 Marvel 39,314

(remember 2013? when everybody was bitching about how Marvel only sold $4 books and they'd lose sales over it? yeah, couldn't sell a $3 title either, and so it must have been Fraction's fault, or maybe double shipping)

Sep 11

232 FF 50 Fantastic Years 1 $4.99 Marvel 6,761

(special anniversary issue nobody fucking bought because they're such fans of the FF)

Hickman's run from memory peaked high on variants and sold around 40k/issue on that same basis. That's not a lot of comics, but this other anon is right - it's not cancellation.

Even the 600 renumbering didn't really help it; big variants spike, nothing else. When Hickman left, the "fans" left.

Imagine standing in a football field hearing the crowd chanting your name. You kick the ball, you go on home, glowing with the sense of importance that recognition gave you. Then fifteen years later someone calls you a fucking prick and you tell them you stood out on that field with thirty thousand people rooting for you, and they quietly point out that you're a cripple and those people were there for the football, not you, and were just chanting your name because that's what you do in the stands when the announcer introduces the make-a-wish kid.

That's F4 fans right now. Poor, crippled F4 fans, thinking they were important in that brief sweet spot before people stopped giving a shit about Jonathan "shit the bed" Hickman.

>>94435559
http://www.comicsbeat.com/marvel-month-to-month-sales-charts-december-2014-time-is-running-out-for-marvel/

>So a helpful commenter (thanks Randy C.) pointed out that the big boost to Inhumans #8 last month was due to Marvel shipping stores extra books to cross-promote with the Agents of SHIELD mid-season finale Inhumans reveal. So these lower numbers are much closer to Inhuman’s true sales numbers. Oddly enough despite this book not selling very well at all, Marvel is adding a second Inhumans book in April. This is likely due to the importance of the Inhumans to their overall publishing and film plans. Expect Inhumans to be an even bigger part of the Marvel Universe after Secret Wars.

This was back when the column was written by Jason Enright, who decided to adjust the chart for overshipping on that one issue. Current writer Xavier Lancel doesn't do that, but I guess it's because it's probably more work to do, what with Marvel doing a lot of overships.

>>94435666
So were you paid to make these halfassed excuses, or what?

>>94435666
>remember 2013? when everybody was bitching about how Marvel only sold $4 books and they'd lose sales over it? yeah, couldn't sell a $3 title either, and so it must have been Fraction's fault, or maybe double shipping

11/12 Fantastic Four v5 #1 - 114,532 (+152.7%)
12/12 Fantastic Four v5 #2 - 58,421 ( -49.0%)
01/13 Fantastic Four v5 #3 - 50,555 ( -13.5%)
02/13 Fantastic Four v5 #4 - 44,999 ( -11.0%)
03/13 Fantastic Four v5 #5 - 42,590 ( -5.4%)
03/13 Fantastic Four #5AU - 45,756 ( +7.4%)
04/13 Fantastic Four v5 #6 - 41,291 ( -4.8%)
04/13 Fantastic Four v5 #7 - 39,314 ( -4.8%)

02/13 Nova v5 #1 - 80,857
03/13 Nova v5 #2 - 46,725 (-42.2%)
04/13 Nova v5 #3 - 40,548 (-13.2%)
05/13 Nova v5 #4 - 38,151 ( -5.9%)
06/13 Nova v5 #5 - 36,545 ( -4.2%)

06/12 Daredevil v3 #14 - 43,865 (+12.3%)
07/12 Daredevil v3 #15 - 38,469 (-12.3%)
08/12 Daredevil v3 #16 - 37,804 ( -1.7%)
08/12 Daredevil v3 #17 - 38,149 ( +0.9%)
09/12 Daredevil v3 #18 - 37,185 ( -2.5%)
10/12 Daredevil v3 #19 - 37,228 ( +0.1%)
11/12 Daredevil v3 #20 - 36,515 ( -1.9%)
12/12 Daredevil v3 #21 - 35,848 ( -1.8%)
01/13 Daredevil v3 #22 - 36,102 ( +0.7%)
02/13 Daredevil v3 #23 - 37,170 ( +3.0%)
03/13 Daredevil v3 #24 - 37,231 ( +0.2%)
04/13 Daredevil v3 #25 - 39,678 ( +6.6%)
05/13 Daredevil v3 #26 - 39,788 ( +0.3%)
06/13 Daredevil v3 #27 - 35,834 ( -9.9%)

11/12 Spider-Man v3 #17 - 38,481 ( +0.4%)
12/12 Spider-Man v3 #18 - 36,944 ( -4.0%)
01/13 Spider-Man v3 #19 - 36,017 ( -2.5%)
02/13 Spider-Man v3 #20 - 35,461 ( -1.5%)
03/13 Spider-Man v3 #21 - 35,284 ( -0.5%)
04/13 Spider-Man v3 #22 - 34,918 ( -1.0%)
05/13 Spider-Man v3 #23 - 35,581 ( +1.9%)
06/13 Spider-Man v3 #24 - 34,011 ( -4.4%)

>>94435767
12/12 Thunderbolts v2 #1 - 83,396
12/12 Thunderbolts v2 #2 - 50,897 (-39.0%)
01/13 Thunderbolts v2 #3 - 44,272 (-13.0%)
02/13 Thunderbolts v2 #4 - 43,287 ( -2.2%)
02/13 Thunderbolts v2 #5 - 41,663 ( -3.8%)
03/13 Thunderbolts v2 #6 - 39,293 ( -5.7%)
03/13 Thunderbolts v2 #7 - 38,553 ( -1.9%)
04/13 Thunderbolts v2 #8 - 36,979 ( -4.1%)
05/13 Thunderbolts v2 #9 - 32,855 (-11.2%)
06/13 Thunderbolts v2 #10 - 32,682 ( -0.5%)
06/13 Thunderbolts v2 #11 - 30,618 ( -6.3%)

11/12 Secret Avengers #34 - 32,146 ( -6.2%)
12/12 Secret Avengers #35 - 30,755 ( -4.3%)
01/13 Secret Avengers #36 - 29,330 ( -4.6%)
01/13 Secret Avengers #37 - 32,139 ( +9.6%)
02/13 Secret Avengers v2 #1 - 85,267 (+196.4%)
03/13 Secret Avengers v2 #2 - 46,419 ( -45.6%)
04/13 Secret Avengers v2 #3 - 38,676 ( -16.7%)
05/13 Secret Avengers v2 #4 - 33,428 ( -13.6%)
06/13 Secret Avengers v2 #5 - 31,437 ( -6.0%)

06/12 Avengers Assemble #4 - 43,022 ( -2.0%)
07/12 Avengers Assemble #5 - 38,951 ( -9.5%)
08/12 Avengers Assemble #6 - 36,131 ( -7.2%)
09/12 Avengers Assemble #7 - 36,259 ( +0.4%)
10/12 Avengers Assemble #8 - 36,453 ( +0.5%)
11/12 Avengers Assemble #9 - 42,088 (+15.5%)
12/12 Avengers Assemble #10 - 34,035 (-19.1%)
01/13 Avengers Assemble #11 - 31,027 ( -8.8%)
02/13 Avengers Assemble #12 - 29,475 ( -5.0%)
03/13 Avengers Assemble #13 - 28,432 ( -3.6%)
04/13 Av. Assemble #14AU - 35,985 (+26.6%)
05/13 Av. Assemble #15AU - 33,183 ( -7.8%)
06/13 Avengers Assemble #16 - 27,497 (-17.1%)

>>94427057
Lel how does Marvel manage to make every writer that goes there hate their guts?

>>94435789
12/12 Avengers Arena #1 - 64,626
12/12 Avengers Arena #2 - 43,014 (-33.4%)
01/13 Avengers Arena #3 - 38,461 (-10.6%)
02/13 Avengers Arena #4 - 33,611 (-12.6%)
02/13 Avengers Arena #5 - 32,548 ( -3.2%)
03/13 Avengers Arena #6 - 31,617 ( -2.9%)
04/13 Avengers Arena #7 - 29,784 ( -5.8%)
04/13 Avengers Arena #8 - 27,900 ( -6.3%)
05/13 Avengers Arena #9 - 26,873 ( -3.7%)
06/13 Avengers Arena #10 - 25,277 ( -5.9%)
06/13 Avengers Arena #11 - 24,487 ( -3.1%)

09/12 Venom v2 #25 - 25,242 (-16.1%)
10/12 Venom v2 #26 - 31,711 (+25.6%)
11/12 Venom v2 #27 - 31,118 ( -1.9%)
11/12 Venom v2 #.1 - 25,727 (-17.3%)
12/12 Venom v2 #28 - 25,573 ( -0.6%)
01/13 Venom v2 #29 - 24,644 ( -3.6%)
01/13 Venom v2 #30 - 24,551 ( -0.4%)
02/13 Venom v2 #31 - 23,441 ( -4.5%)
03/13 Venom v2 #32 - 22,521 ( -3.9%)
04/13 Venom v2 #33 - 22,327 ( -0.9%)
04/13 Venom v2 #34 - 22,120 ( -0.9%)
05/13 Venom v2 #35 - 21,591 ( -2.4%)
06/13 Venom v2 #36 - 21,288 ( -1.4%)

07/12 Captain Marvel v6 #1 - 41,582
08/12 Captain Marvel v6 #2 - 28,434 (-31.6%)
08/12 Captain Marvel v6 #3 - 27,649 ( -2.8%)
09/12 Captain Marvel v6 #4 - 24,799 (-10.3%)
10/12 Captain Marvel v6 #5 - 28,619 (+15.4%)
10/12 Captain Marvel v6 #6 - 23,103 (-19.3%)
11/12 Captain Marvel v6 #7 - 21,744 ( -5.9%)
12/12 Captain Marvel v6 #8 - 19,970 ( -8.2%)
01/13 Captain Marvel v6 #9 - 19,151 ( -4.1%)
02/13 Captain Marvel v6 #10 - 18,359 ( -4.1%)
03/13 Captain Marvel v6 #11 - 17,743 ( -3.4%)
04/13 Captain Marvel v6 #12 - 18,344 ( +3.4%)
05/13 Enemy Within - 34,205 (+86.5%)
06/13 Captain Marvel v6 #13 - 19,673 (-42.5%)

>>94435090

I like how Uncanny ended up selling more than Extraordinary, the supposed flagship.

>>94427623
>This is more a Marvel issue

Do you not remember the clusterfuck that was the New 52? Editorial fucking over writers and artists to the point that they quit or were replaced by people who would do what they were told was happening on a regular basis.

DC has been much better the last couple years, but they're not exactly innocent.

>>94427999
On his formspring/tumblr he's said that even if he disagreed with the official Marvel position, he wouldn't say it publicly. On certain topics it's hard to know if he really believes what he's saying or is just parroting the company line.

It's frustrating, but it's also a much more professional attitude than a lot of comics people have.

>>94436090
Literally just fake news circulated by mouseketeers. Get over yourself, shill.

>>94435040
Yep. And I will happily support this book too. And I will happily let Marvel know that I want a Fantastic Four book, and if they do not wish to provide it I will spend my money elsewhere at a company who is more than pleased to give me what I want.

>>94433995

hes not lying. gambit has more appearances in video games than the 4 do. noone gave a shit about the 4 not being in a mahvel game until the fox deal. people only care about the platitudes of the fox situation rather than the characters themselves

>>94436601
Proof?

>>94427254
>Marvel comics has nothing to do with Marvel Studios.

With the advent of capeshit dominating theaters, you should consider anything that isn't a movie as an advertisement for a movie. Marvel isn't going to print ads for Fox's movies.

>>94434345
Mine did, but we also had aunts and older cousins help out

>>94428301
>posts on 4chan
>doesn't understand and actively disapproves of 4chan culture

I think tumblr might be more your speed, newfriend

>>94437340
everyone who reads comics already knows about the movies, that's stupid logic

>>94427457
>>94427573
Comics, superhero or otherwise, have been on a dramatic upswing since the early 00s; quality, sales and popularity wise, don't try to play the grizzled old vet card if you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>94437941
>Comics, superhero or otherwise, have been on a dramatic upswing since the early 00s; quality, sales and popularity wise
Provide solid evidence of this clam without resorting to using Marvel's cooked books as reference. I'll wait.

>>94436601
Nice rose-tinted glasses, man.

The few years before and after Flashpoint were dark days at DC.
It never reached the lows of current Marvel, but it was pretty damn bad.

>>94427457
your description only describes a part of it, the Marvel side. DC and Image are not in the same boat, even if they do share some fans over Marvel.

>>94427876
>Seriously, you "people" make me ashamed to like this medium.
It doesnt get more beta than this. I can assure you with that attitude not only comics have a "problem" with you, but also any type of enterntainment that doesnt fit your criteria.

>>94438016
>quality
Be alive and in this hobby for more than ten years without rose tinted glasses. Of course you get some choppy art and writing, but compare your average superhero B-book like Supersons or Supergirl to your average 00s B-book like Robin or Outsiders, so many shitty looking house style artists and sub-Dixon spon the wheels or sub-Meltzer gritty idiots. And that's on pure big two superhero comics, let's not forget how huge Image and webcomics are, or how there are innumerable "small" publishers like D&Q or Avatar with their own niche or voice.

>sales and popularity
Even if monthly cancellation numbers are lower, the rise of Image, webcomics, digital, trade, omni market more than make up for it.

http://www.comichron.com/yearlycomicssales.html

If you're more interested in the cartoon side of /co/, that's fine, hell, if you're interested on superheroes but don't actually like comics that much, that's fine too, but please don't play the seen it all 14 year old /v/ card and shit up /co/ more than it needs to.

>>94437340
Yet they keep making X-men comics

>>94427777
What's wrong with being offended on principle? Yeah, I haven't read a lot of Fantastic Four because to be frank I find them really boring. But they're some of the most recognizable characters Marvel has and an integral part of the company and its history and to shove them aside because you don't have the movie rights is retarded.

I personally might not read a Fantastic Four book but they're too big and important to be relegated to limbo because you're butthurt at Fox.

>>94434290
Off yourself, you miserable cunt.

>>94427751
At least Plastic Man is coming back now.

>>94427057
Wait. Kate anon? Are you Roon anon with a new name, or Roon anon's sister?

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>>94438458
BTFO

>>94446460
Where the FUCK are they getting these numbers? We have ZERO numbers on digital, and the Diamond distrib numbers don't reflect actual sales or trade sales in bookstores or on Amazon.

Seriously. I want to know where these numbers come from.

Also, if sales are so great, why are Jim Lee and Dan Didiot saying that there's less money in comics now?

>>94429965
WAIT. Roon anon and Kate anon in the same thread?

>>94446833
Didn't Lee confirm that him supposedly saying that was an outright lie made up by some site?

>>94446043
>I don't read comics
>but here's my bandwagon opinion on how these characters I don't like and don't read are treated anyway

You are the worst kind of fan.

>>94446902
No, Jim Lee and Dan Didio are on the YouTube livestream announcement of Rebirth saying that there's less money in comics than there was when they got into it. And Didio, who is the one I specifically remember saying it, started around 2004.

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>>94446833
I feel like there's a place there they explain the digital methodology but I can't find it now.

Diamond actual sales don't matter, but numbers get adjusted somewhat for reorders and shit by the end of the year anyway. The data is still useful to compare against itself in any case. Even if you consider it flawed data that doesn't make it pointless especially if you understand the context.

Trade sales in bookstores/Amazon are reported by Bookscan, last year: http://www.comicsbeat.com/tilting-at-windmills-257-looking-at-bookscan-2016-more-than-10-million-sold/

>Also, if sales are so great, why are Jim Lee and Dan Didiot saying that there's less money in comics now?

taken out of context

Marvel needs to fucking stop with the events and crossovers. I'm fucking sick and tired of reading a book only for it to go to shit because it needs to tie into their current mega event which I don't give a fuck about.

The event shit needs to be fucking self contained, and kept in it's own book. If the book I'm reading is connected, then give me a one page summary of what's changed and fucking move on.

>>94447236
If trades are this big of a market, then DC is eating Marvel's lunch. DC has the 3 huge advantages in the trade department.

1. They have vertigo, which has amazing trades like Watchmen and Sandman. That entire line has so many great back issues that it really dominates the field.

2. DC has a lot of famous "typically Batman" shorter run stories. I can pick up year one or long Halloween and get a pretty good story with nothing left out. Your average normie can name more DC stories that fit the trade format than marvel "stories" as I feel marvel is much more famous for "the claremont run on xmen" the "Miller Daredevil" the "Ditko Spiderman" or the "Simonson Thor". I don't really know if I can say the same for DC as the only Runs I can think of off the top of my head are Wolfman's New Teen Titans, Grant Morrison's Animal Man, Moore's Swamp thing, or JLI

3. Marvel Unlimited

Now ever since I got a tablet I don't really like buying physical books. Marvel unlimited and comixology are both considered digital. I have subscriptions to 1 or 2 DC books on comixology and if I really wanted to read a run or a story I'd get it on comixology or pirate it if it was any other publisher other than Marvel. I have a marvel unlimited account so I can read all those classic stories for only $70 which works out typically to being cheaper than buying trades. If the things aren't on MU then fuck you I will pirate it because I am already paying for MU you cucks, update your library.

If there was a DCU I'd buy that too but there isn't because they make too much off of trades.

>>94447626
They are, even when DC was doing low floppy numbers. They even charge less per trade than Marvel.

>>94446460
>Not adjusting for price increases
>Not reporting number of units sold

Who are you, Elon Musk? A Hollywood Accountant?

I HATE Tom Breevhort! I hope the Diversity in Comics guy SHOOTS him 20 times!!!!

>>94438458
>Been reading comics since 2007
Calls himself a veteran
Supergirl is the worst thing among those and Super sons is just as mediocre. Tomasi is no better than Meltzer or Winnick. 2000s had stuff like Ennis' Punisher and Morrison's Batman. Now DC and Marvel doesn't even have anything readable.

>>94427777
Between Waid's shitty run and Hackman's, ther wasn't much to buy.

>>94437340

This is what I always assumed it was. It seems like the big money's in films now. Why continue to create ink-and-paper tie-ins that you're unable to capitalize on?

>>94439978

This I do not understand. Maybe X-Men is just too popular to get shut down at this point? Maybe they're making so much money off of it they can't justify shutting it down? It's even weirder because it's also owned by Fox.

I honestly do not get it.

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>>94454433
X-Men are a younger comic than FF and are more relatable in today's world and their movies did better too. FF was simply easier to sweep under the rug especially if the sales were declining.