Is Bionicle part of the DCU? Also Bionicle thread

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>>94409645
Probably. It at least exist in some universe.

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Of all the artists who worked on the comics, who's your favorite?
Stuart Sayger would be my vote. I love the darker, atmospheric direction he gave the comics during the Piraka/Barraki arcs.

>>94409645
Aww hell yeah. I have a ton of G1s. Kardas best set.
>>94410415
Fuck yes, I love his stuff. The Piraka line was pure fucking gold.

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>>94410415
Hardly an uncommon opinion, but I pick D'Anda. Even though he had many shittier drawings where the proportions of people would vary all over the place, I loved how much character he gave the toys through simple body language and the eyes, and how everything seemed so dynamic for the lack of a better term.

But he made the toys look beefy, so I get why they replaced him when the sets got chunkier too.

Sayger was good at atmosphere, backgrounds, effects and all that, but I can't look past his scribble doodle characters. They should have asked him to disregard the toys' mechanical details and make them more simple and organic-looking.

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>>94411112
Funnily enough, making them more 'organic-looking' is one of the biggest reasons as to why I liked his stuff so much. The more twisted, lifelike depictions added to the darker tone in those parts of the series, and the movies always made the characters look a bit uncanny when they were made to look more like the toys.

>>94411404
Imagine if they made a movie for that year, with Sayger as an art consultant. Zaktan alone would have been a crazy sight to behold. Though he would probably have broken their computers.

>>94411103
G2 could've had a good thing going if they pushed the blocky and 'edge heavy' (As in geometry) style into an Aztec/Mesoamerican style aesthetic in contrast to G1's Polynesian influence.

>>94412220
So much potential...
I wish they made the animated show earlier and on CN.

>>94409645
Oh man, I forgot about these. I wonder if I still have a few of the issues at my old house. I think I got up to a little after the Golden Mask storyline. I remember not liking that the setting changed to that city with the spider things.

>>94412261
The whole thing really seemed cheap and needlessly safe . A lot of what made G1 special came from the fact Lego was in serious financial trouble and needed a breakthrough in the action figure market, and after failing twice before were willing to take risks on a new line. So what resulted was incredibly unique. However now theyre the biggest toy company in the world, so that 'energy' which resulted in G1 wasnt really there.

If you want a fuckton of info and art from Bionicle's development, check out Faber Files on Blogspot.

>bionicle
It's all about throwbots my man.

>>94412501
They're called Slizers you frickin' pleb

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remember how this was aired a lot on jetix?

>>94412501
>>94412553

I liked the motorbike guys. That's why Millennia was the best.

>>94412752
Yes. I also wouldn't be surprised if it was Roodaka's fault that a lot of present-day scalies exist.

>>94412752
I don't think any of the first three movies were ever shown in my area. But I remember hilariously awful adverts for the DVD.

I wish the 4th movie was split into 2 parts so that we could've seen Mat Nui fight Teridax in one of the movies

>>94414417
I wish we got an ignition trilogy.

>>94414417
It was always meant to be split into parts, Lego just pulled the plug while they were working on the first.

>>94409645
Is there a collection of the comics on Mega anywhere?

>>94415047
I also want to know this.

>>94415047
>>94415754
Most of them are on the BioMedia site, http://biomediaproject.com/bmp/comics/

>>94416254
Why do I keep forgetting about these resources?

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>we never got this set

>>94416801
>we never got the 2011 dinosaurs
>the Baterra
>the Matoran capsule carrier from the Bionicle 2 DVD extras
>a fucking G2 Makuta or at least his mask

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>>94417101
>We never got a G2 movie
>We never got the other 4 Toa Hagah
>Nor did we get buildable versions of the Mata Nui or Teridax robots
>We never got any UCS builds of the original Toa Mata

>>94410438
I have kardas too anon

but it's in pieces so that's a problem

Metru Nui was the best bionicle iteration besides Gen 1

The visorak just fit.

>>94417267
Building Kardas shattered a bunch of those fragile leg/arm/thigh joint pieces, and I honestly liked Brutaka and Axxon separately more.

>>94409645
Alright, so I used to have the Bionicle figures when I was a kid (I still have some too), and all of these discussion threads on /co/ have gotten me interested. Should I get invested in the story of Bionicle? From what I've heard of it, it seems amazing.

bumpicle

Tell me /co/, if Lego wanted you to reboot the series for G3, what would you do for it?

>>94417379
What can you lose beyond your time? It can be pretty frustrating though, the Bionicle story is like a bowl of tasty sweets mixed with goat droppings, and you can't always tell which is which until you bite in. But that's usually the case with toy-based children's media. At the very least, you'll probably be amazed at how deep, overwrought and crazy the lore to a Lego line can be, especially if you read up on the background material about how the franchise came to be.
Going in as a newfag can be tough, cause the early media was so inconsistent and all over the place. The first few years put more emphasis on world-building, atmosphere and vague mysticism than a coherent story. For instance to this day there is no singular media that tells the complete story of the first year, you have to shuffle between the comics, a web game and a short novel, all of which are incomplete on their own and contain a fair amount of contradictions.

>>94410415
I liked it during the piraka arc, but I hated it during the barraki/mahri arc.

I say we call all future Bionicle threads "/co/-koro"

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I miss Bionicle.

Bonkles V Gems.
Who wins?

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>>94420882
Please no, Bionicle's last foray into the crystal theme didn't work out too well.

>>94418720
Maybe learn from past mistakes. Don't make the story too complicated or retarded simple, don't spread it across way too much media that most kids will never even see, give the designers some budget to work with, and market it for fuck's sake.
I'd keep a similar setup as G2 but put people who actually care in charge of the story and setting, like based Ryder Windham. Consult Chris Faber for additional stuff, stick to the tone of the old Advance-Ghost adverts and MNOG, and make a cartoon show with at least 10 episodes.
But realistically speaking, the only thing Lego would want to do with Bionicle now is forget about it entirely. I don't think they'd ever like to touch it after the failure of G2. At this point even a Slizer reboot would seem more likely. Which I would love. Slizer is just the kind of crazy, experimental concept that could be used as a last ditch effort to revitalize Constraction sets.

>>94417379
Yes. Considering how massive the story is though, you may need to take a few days to get through it all.

>>94423209
What about a Bionicle Movie? Like The Lego Movie?
I really hope that Ninjago will flop. It's just a shitty weries for,toddlers. G3 is still possible.

>>94425192
>weries

>>94425201
>Wanted to write series
>It gets weries
>Fuck my tab

>>94425192
Imagine a Bionicle Live Action movie directed by Michael Bay. How it would be? How qould you feel about it?

>>94425326
>live action
Why though, that would miss the point

>>94425192
A Bionicle movie based on the Mata Nui story up to the Bohrok could be neat, assuming it doesn't get rewritten into formulaic affair. Hell, play it as a straight action flick starring robots and you could have some kind of gold on your hands.

>Like The Lego Movie?
So, intercut live-action segments in which somebody who used to be a Bionicle fan finds all their old toys and puts them all back together as a means of capturing nostalgia? I could see that. Sort of. Kind of.

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>Still remember reading the finale years ago.
>Mfw Mata Nui kills Makuta by smashing his head against the moon.

>>94425192
A movie in theory could be great, but Bonkle's too different from your normal Lego fare to outright adopt the formula set by the current Lego movies. It wouldn't work, it would need to be its own thing done in its own style. Lego also used to be really strict about not even suggesting that Bionicle and humans can coexist in the story.

>>94410415
Sayger was shit and couldn't draw

>>94410201
Heh. Now I want to see Gali and Aquaman go on outrageous adventures together.

Not to mention Onua accidentally digging into the Batcave.

Okay, enlighten me friends:

I dropped this series during the Toa Hordika arc, do we EVER get to see Toa Nuva again?

>>94430210
Yes, they show up in the immediate following arc, only to get almost killed by Bionicle's version of niggers and sidelined again for two years. Then they get back to the spotlight in the 2008 arc, in new designs that look nothing like their old selves.

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Reminder: this official character from the Hero Factory TV show was partially modeled after a sexy Bionicle bunnygirl MOC.

>>94430461
>using shoulderplates as breastplates
kik
>>94430307
I hate it when franchises bounce protagonists around like this

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>>94423209
>give the designers some budget to work with, and market it for fuck's sake.

They HAD budget and they DID market it. Problem was that they pissed both away like total retards with shit like creating seven solid gold masks for competitions and aiming most of the marketing at elitist G1ers that fucking hated Hero Factory and the simplified story and lore of the reboot.
It also didn't help that the same team that designed the sets was also responsible for the promoting and story so you ended up with those impossibly retarded designer vids where they talked fuckall about the design process and just dicked around with the sets like little kids.
Could YOU imagine Faber going "pewpewpew!" in front of a camera to promote his work?

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Who needs Bionicle if you can have Star Wars?!

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>>94430307
>the Piraka had them enslaved and maskless in their base
So they definitely took turns smashing Gali's biomechanical puss, right?

>>94432671
Ouch.

>>94432671
I'm not too sure.
>Zaktan: too preoccupied with sniffing Makuta gas
>Hakann: thinks too highly of himself to touch a lowly Toa
>Thok: too afraid that the others rigged Gali's crotch with explosives
>Vezok: Vezon got away with his dick
>Avak: too much of an insecure faggot
>Reidak: maybe

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>>94425192
I hope one shows up in the Lego movie sequel.

He could just be a gag scene, like in the Lego Backlot game where there's the one random matoran drinking coffee in the diner and he tells you to piss off.

>>94416801
Fuck mang Keetongu is HEUG

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>>94417101
>a fucking G2 Makuta

Were the Piraka all basically black people?

>>94434362
WE WUZ WARLORDS AND SHIEET

>>94431055
The one good thing that could have come out of the Mouse acquiring SW would have been rescinding the license so Lego actually has to try again, but of course they didn't.

>>94411111

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>>94434324
Now, see, I'd have fucking bought that. Look at that majestic motherfucker. He'd be great to pose against my various Kopakae.

>>94434444

>>94425192
>Lego Movie 2
>Technic is brought in as the Antagonist, meant to represent the kid from the first movie growing up and losing his imagination and creativity in favor of utility and realism
>Technic "characters" and vehicles take over the Lego lands easily, despite the Lego characters putting up as best of a fight as they can
>Master Builders can't use Technic pieces to build anything, because they're unfamiliar with it
>Before Emmet and Wyldstyle are "killed", the Toa Mata appear and kick the Technic's ass
>The Toa are Master Builders who can use Technic, because they are Technic
>They act as a middle ground between the utility of Technic and the creativity of Lego
>Help the Lego save the day, kid finds equilibrium between creativity and utility and the Lego and Technic people live in harmony after that

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>>94430555
Legit:
http://lego.wikia.com/wiki/8761_Roodaka

>>94434478
Technically you can buy him, but he's a seven set combiner model, so good fucking luck.
>tfw had the foresight to buy most of G2 in duplicate

They should've combined Onua and Pohatu into one character, or given one of them a different element. Separating rock and earth is just dumb.

>>94434518
FUND IT

>>94434518
No. TLM2 is about a musical where Emmet,his sister and the gang try to save Batman from other dimensions.

>>94434571
Yeah I only bought the G2.1 Wairuha Toa and one Matoran, and G2.2 Kopaka. I wanted to buy some of the beasties for parts but never got around to it.

Is that Makuta really an official combiner, though? Like, with instructions and everything? That seems pretty dope.

>>94434518
>implying the middle ground between technic and system isn't Mixels

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>Only Toa of light the whole series
>Disappeared from the story for years.
>Came back right when he was needed swol as fuck
Takanuva was the coolest

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>>94434629
It is official in that it appeared in the Netflix series, but TLG refused to release instructions. Based designers didn't give a fuck however and uploaded enough references to easily build the model.

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>>94434730
It's a huge shame we'll never get his Mask though, ESPECIALLY given it could have easily been packed with Umarak the Destroyer, the ONLY SET IN THE LINE not to come with a bonus mask except for the small 10$ sets. Fuck TLG.

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>>94434629
It was but they never officially released the instructions for god knows what reason.

In fact, this was one of the more overlooked issues with G2:
Remember all those dozens upon dozens of Rahi combiners that they released instructions of in magazines and on the net?
There were fuckall of those in G2 and in fact, Lego straight up refused to release instructions for stuff like the Umarak/Onua combiner seen in Journey to One with no reason given.

>>94434518
Maybe it's my cynicism, but I can't imagine any of these films presenting Bionicle in a positive light. Old-school AFOLs fucking despise the franchise with a passion and modern day kids don't give a fuck. At best, I can imagine some more sight gags, background references or a cameo, or perhaps a quick joke at Bionicle's expense, like the "don't need to mention them" scene from the first movie.

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>>94434761
The combiner's cash as fuck, by the way. Since it was never actually released via TLG themselves, the designers didn't have to retard-proof the build and were free to go apeshit with the design. And go apeshit...they did.

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>>94434780
If it makes you feel any better, the designers released build references for this one, too. It's a pretty decent combiner, wish I had the budget to buy a spare Onua and Umarak for it. Might try to bricklink parts for one from my spare parts from the Makuta build someday.

>>94434573
The old sets were divided more by environment and color rather than any concrete elemental distinction, so that's why they had to similar-ish Toa. One for the brown desert and one for the dark underground caves.

>>94434761
Seriously, SOMETHING must have happend behind the scenes that they put in more effort into completely erasing G2's existence almost on the spot than into fixing their mistakes, especially since the theme started to become good again with the comic books, a series, novels, etc.

>>94434721
>Came back right when he was needed swol as fuck and mastered both light and dark
Ftfy

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>>94434730
>>94434761
>>94434780
>>94434822
Man, what was going on with G2? It produced some really nice models but it seems like the executives were doing everything they could to fuck the series over. At least I got based Linebacker Snowman out of it.

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>>94434883
>>94434927

The Mouse happened.
They thought Star Wars constraction setss were selling poorly because kids prefer Bionicle for action figures.

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>>94434982
Holy fuck if this is true

As if I didn't already want to firebomb D*sney HQ for murder-raping Star Wars and thoroughly ruining Marvel, if they killed Bionicle they've pretty much singlehandedly buttfucked my childhood.

>>94434882
Yeah but Pohatu usually sold the worst because kids didn't like brown pieces even though they loved his giant feet.

>>94434982
I've genuinely never seen anyone ever buying those.
Most of the Lego aisles in toystores around here are literally clogged up with them, including the ones from two years ago, and even the official Lego store here still has the old Vader figures en masse.

>>94435084
Nobody's buying them because they're shit. The only ones that are even a little good are Grievous and Vader. Good for parts packs, I guess.
>tfw The Mouse's next move is probably going to be claiming they aren't selling because Constraction is a flawed building system
>tfw Constraction and Bionicle will both die because of Disney

>>94435153
Grevious is good because he's basically a bionicle already.

>>94435079
>tfw Pohatu was the first G2 Toa I bought because they decided to turned him into Mad Max

I really like Bionicle but I can't remember or connect any of the names to anyone. They're just too completely different for me.

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>>94430555
You are weak

>>94434883
There were fuckups going on, which were major part of G2's essence since the start. Let me count the ways.

Lego unintentionally revealing the line's return prematurely through a filename on Twitter.
Reaching out only to fans instead of marketing stuff to kids, thinking BZP was still relevant.
Toning down advertising because the consumer demand for non-Constraction sets is too big, missing the opportunity to promote Constraction.
Showing they took inspiration from MNOG even though the resemblance was barely surface-level.
The typos and formatting errors on the website.
The Golden Mask contest which amounted to nothing but a huge waste of resources and making some big ego MOCist even richer.
Embarrassing designer videos that barely touch on the subject.
Webisodes leaking via foreign YouTube channels months before the intended release.
No other storytelling material for months.
Books focusing on last year's toys instead of the current line.
Graphic novels full of QUALITY artwork and errors.
Those odd promo comics that had a dog-eared Lewa and artwork traced from a Transformers comic.
Magazines randomly namedropping Kulta and the Matoran, fans being left confused if the names are canon.
Stuff like the Golden Skull Spider mask and the '16 poisoned masks never coming up.
A freelancer writer suggesting that maybe the characters should have basic attributes like names, genders and personalities, and Lego's people acting like this is the most revolutionary concept ever.
Same writer complaining the story outlines he was given made no sense.
The Toa's personalities changing from one year to the next.
The Journey to One in general, especially after Lego told the creators to just stop and they shat out an ending that made less than zero sense.
Hiding JtO on Netflix and not even advertising it to kids.
The Mask of Time foreshadowing amounting to nothing.
Someone on the web team updating Bionicle.com with obsolete story data half a year after the line was already over.

>>94429825
(you)

>>94435513
Also, I realize there's data we have no way of knowing, and there were probably some sensible financial and marketing decisions made behind the scenes, but all these blunders make it clear to me that they were hardly trying their best.
Even without getting into the subject of set design and the consts involved, G1 had major problems too with its promos, storytelling and marketing, but G2 didn't learn from them. It just repeated most of its mistakes without really correcting others. It's like the only bullet points they made were "don't put much effort into the lore cause kids are dumb" and "make it look superficially like '01-03".
Surely they couldn't have thought that this was all they needed to do? That this was the solution to not repeating G1's problems? It's like rebuilding the Titanic with slightly better communication and a couple more lifeboats, but still ramming it into an iceberg.

Wait I remember hearing Bionicle was being revived back in 2015, but I never looked into it much. Did G2 already die?

>>94435969
About a year and a half in

>>94434208
>Vezon got away with his dick
Kek

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>>94435969
Yup, they squandered the potential it had and killed it off halfway through the original planned time they were giving it.

Sad really, there was clearly a vision of some kind, just no one to direct and focus it.

>>94435969
The one year anniversary of Lego killing off the reboot was a couple days ago.
Marketing was so minimal, a lot of older fans didn't even learn about the line's return until after it had already been cancelled again.

>>94409645
If you had the opportunity to redo Bionicle or a Bionicle-like franchise, what would you change? And what are the essential elements that must be included for it to feel like Bionicle?

>>94434307
>random Tohunga/Matoran
Boy, that's Takua you're fuckin' with right there.

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>>94436249
>Tfw only knew about G1
>Tfw only heard about G2 when it was dying

>>94435298
When you put it like that, I'd love to see a Mad Max/Bionicle mashup or something.

>>94436297
First thing's first, I'd take it back to basics: Good versus evil, one island with six biomes, six heroes, six village leaders, six primary villagers, six common enemies.

Also one year (twelve issues) of comics to create a backbone for lore. Unfortunately, Flash games are slated to die forever, so we're gonna have to make due with an HTML5 or Android/iOS game if it comes down to that.

>>94436663
>Takua
Actually in the context of the game he's George. Takua's just the name of the character he plays.

>>94436783
The Bara Magna story could have been something like that with all the crazy vehicles, if they had expanded the idea. That part of the story was one of Bonkle's biggest missed opportunities, though Lego canceling the line halfway in didn't help matters.

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>>94430461
Didn't wake up today knowing I'd wanna fuck a piece of plastic by the end of it

>>94436297
Already laid out my masterplan in >>94423209

>what are the essential elements
What >>94436960 said, and a ton atmosphere, contrasting the sci-fi feel of robots with an ancient tropical island. I'd aim for a similarly serious and epic tone as the original, with enough appropriate humor and cheerfulness to avoid making it stale. So, like how MNOG did it.
The story should be more involved than in '01 and make more sense than in '15. I'd have two plots complementing each other, one focusing on the Toa and another about the villagers. There would be a huge focus on setting up the world through atmosphere, imagery and music, iconic locations, hints at ancient lore, and glimpses into the people's culture. I'd be a more polished remake of '01, which would help bring back the old fans, and it wouldn't alienate newcomers either because hey, it's timeless stuff.
As for changes, maybe get rid of the one-gender elements that fans hate so much. Make the lifespan of characters more manageable, so that only the Turaga and Toa are truly ancient. Maybe some Matoran too, like the Turaga's right-hands. The Turaga would be able to bring new villagers into being through some mysterious ritual, maybe involving a secret machine they brought from Metru Nui and energy from the Great Spirit. But it would be a very rare occurrence and eat up a lot of resources.
If possible, it would be told through an animated series that's aimed at kids and teens instead of just young children. Something older people could enjoy too. Promo material out the ass, maybe feature it at some Comic-Con or something. The point is the story and media would be equally as visible as the toys, like how Transformers does it. Comics and perhaps games would tell side stories that aren't that important, to avoid the incoherent multimedia jumbles of G1 and G2. Keep things simple at first and tell a complete story that could still go on if there's demand.

Fuck, now I feel like I'd really want to make it.

What do you anons think about the latest venture into Bionicle fanfilms?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJILHOQDRh4

>>94434478
>Kopakae
This is Polynesia, not Italy.

>>94441316
For a while when I first heard about this, I almost thought it was intended as a spoof of edgy fan films. That it would be something satirical. But apparently it plays this stuff straight?

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>>94441432
You use your preferred plurals, I'll use mine.

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>>94436297
Start off with a near 1:1 translation of G1 but diverge once we hit Metru Nui and instead stay with the original cast, following them around as, with Mata Nui relatively safe, they go out to explore the world, gradually meeting more Toa (each representing new elements, rather than rehashing the same 6) one at a time and helping them with their problems, discovering new masks and dealing with strange monsters (which never come in sets of 6 recolors). A greater focus would be placed on the elemental powers- where G1 gradually moved away from this, to the point where it was pretty much gimmick blasters, the toy line would instead double down on this and have each toa have more and more aesthetic pieces derived from their element as they get upgrades and stuff, such as, say, a flame cape for Tahu, or ice pauldrons for Kopaka.

Makuta's one guy, the Turaga aren't ex-Toa, Matoran don't promote to Toahood (but have things of their own they can do that are special). The main overarching plot becomes a quest to awaken Mata Nui, a quest which Makuta, in various forms, always tries to thwart. New locations would generally correspond to parts of Mata Nui's body (ex an archipelago of toes).

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Yeah I always assumed it was weird 3D models of someone's self insert character. Then I realized they were making a full movie of it. Who thought combining Hero Factory with Bionicle with a new fan character was a good idea?

>>94443059
That sounds amazing anon.

>>94410415
D'anda and Sayger are tied as my favorites. Though Sayger kinda dipped in the Barraki-arc.

>>94443059
Sounds interesting, but the whole Matoran cycle and the Brotherhood of Makuta was some of the most interesting things post-Mata Nui arc. The Turaga being past Toa especially.

So how high is Teridax on the threat scale?

>>94450589
In the grand scheme of things, he's around high-street level physically in base (around the city-island level range), but what makes him dangerous is the ridiculous amount of broken abilities his species naturally posses, and his intellect and cunning.