BATMAN THE MURDER MACHINE #1 (W) Frank Tieri (A) Ricardo Federici

>>94375703
Wasn't that what they called that machine Dick was stuck in in Forever Evil?

>>94375703
Yes, and Flash will lose a Kidney, and Wonder Woman gets her uterus de-rezzed.
Covers never lie.

>>94375703
That thing looks like it came straight out of a toyline.

>>94375703
>The Justice League confronts evil versions of themselves from an alternate reality.

It's amazing to me how often DC can keep selling the same goddamn stories over and over and over and over.

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BATMAN THE RED DEATH #1
(W) Joshua Williamson (A) Carmine Di Giandomenico (CA) Jason Fabok
As the events of DARK NIGHTS: METAL rock the DC Universe, the creatures of the Dark Multiverse stand ready to invade our world! How can even the World’s Greatest Heroes stop a horde of deadly beings that appear to be powerful, nightmare versions of familiar figures? Find out in these special tie-in issues!In Shops: Sep 20, 2017

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>>94375744
>It's amazing to me how often DC can keep selling the same goddamn stories over and over and over and over.

Superheroes stories are cyclical, anon.
Good superhero stories ARE cyclical.

>>94375744
Hey, only HALF of them are evil duplicates. The others are just villains who love the batcock.

So what IS the consensus so far on Evil Batmen: The Event?

>>94375716
Does Geoff know what Scott Snyder has done with his bb?

>>94375769
>Good superhero stories ARE cyclical.

Tell that to Marvel when they do the inevitable Civil War III.

>>94375778

It reeks of 90s. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing depends on the person. I am looking forward to this.

>>94375770
I can't get over Bat-Ares. I mean honestly now, that's just plain lazy.

>>94375778
Pretty crap, gotta say. It was just kinda blah at first, then EVERYONE IS METAL happened. So much for Rebirth revitalizing the DCU. Now we've gone right back to the old gimmicks that fucked everything over in the first place.

And this happened before with the Nu52. DC is turning into Peter Moleneux.

>>94375703
>another story where the justice league is evil
>another story where the justice league is evil EXCEPT for batman
No, them being half-batman doesnt count

>>94375703
>Fabok

Yes Yes and more Yes

>>94375769
that's the guy who drew Luther Strode isnt it?

>>94375833
So... like Rebirth?

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>>94375831

The best Events end with the acknowledgement that things will either settle down to a more ideal condition or that there is still potential for growth and new things. Less popularly there's the idea that the tragedy or suffering the characters have endured will change them for the foreseeable future.

>>94375930

Yes but this is really REALLY 90s. Like if you thought DC couldn't Rebirth hard enough, they're going to Rebirth even more than that.

>>94375845
It's been pretty neat. Sorry you can't enjoy fun, anon.

>>94376018
>fun
Here we go, now the fun-fags are coming out to defend the garbage. Every fucking time with you retards.

>>94376056
Oh look, the anti-garbage fags have arrived and are going all out.

>>94375703
Did Bats get taken over by Skynet?

>>94376056
>Snyder goes on about how they're focusing on just making Metal a fun wild ride more than anything!
>REEEEE! HERE COME THE FAGGOTS WHO WANT FUN! REEEE!
Go outside and do something with your life if it's possible, bro. You're taking this way too seriously.

>>94376056
Why the fuck else are you reading comics then you fucking loser?

>>94376100
No actual superheroes as a genre are taking themselves too seriously. This event is hyping itself up as the next major status quo shattering thing.

If this was a "fun" wild ride, there'd be Golden/Silver age type insanity going on. Instead all that's going on is a level of Batwank that rivals Activision's greed.

>>94375831
>Good
That's the keyword

>>94376182
>Largely isolated in it's own series.
>Single issue crossover one-shots with 8 series.
>Other series not even acknowledging it.
>This event is hyping itself up as the next major status quo shattering thing.
Sure man.

>>94376182
Dude, OP's pic is a the Justice League fighting a three story tall tank with a ten foot robot skull Batman face and laser guns being ridden by evil cyborg laser Batman.

>>94376337
Yeah, and that's being treated as dramatic and a serious threat that can seriously injure or kill them.

So no, I don't buy this whoreshit for even a second. Fuck off.

>>94375703

Aquaman: "While he's busy murdering everyone, I can climb up the side of this thing for a sneak attack!"

>>94375769
>Good superhero stories ARE cyclical.
True, but great superhero stories are hopeful.

>>94375716
Leg brace too. Disabled character? Interesting.

>>94375716
>Hal is a cripple

Holy fuck Snyder just fuck up my whole Rebirth anti edgy initiative senpai.

I honestly feel like this was planned pre Rebirth and DC just let him proceed forward without realizing exactly what the event was.

In one story arc he has caused irreparable damage to the DC Universe that can't be undone until the next reboot.

>>94378520
Roll eyes.

>>94375769
>dat ass and bulge on Arthur
>those cocksucking lips on Hal
damn

>>94378541
Please elaborate.

He made all the metas have Nth Metal in their blood, he made a mirrored Dark Multiverse, he cut Hal Jordans arm off. That is just what we know so far and that is already a ton of damage to the established mythos.

>>94378579
Don't forget Batman has had Joker trapped in his cave for a year.

>>94376182
That's Doomsday Clock, dum dum.

>>94378579
None of that is damage. Your biased hatred of one writer is just insane.

>>94378520
Fuck off

>>94378579
The only thing that drastically affects any particular character is Hal losing an arm, and for all we know that could get undone at the end of the event or that might be an alternate JL on the cover

>>94378642
>>94378653
>>94378704
Snyder fags are insufferable. Him just cutting off the arm of a character he isnt even on is total bullshit.

>>94378827
Nah. I don't even read Snyder stuff much. You're just paranoid.

>>94375703
If you guys would pay attention you would see that there are digital cubes coming coming from everybody's wounds, including Hal's arm. And since it's a version of Cyborg they're fighting, it's clearly a simulation or digital world or something.
>>94376182
You keep going on about this. If you're not interested in the event and think it's stupid for whatever reason that's totally fine but you can't seem to understand the whole "Will the Dark Multiverse destroy the DC Universe" marketing blurb is just comic-book hyperbole that happens all the time. Or have you been baiting all this time and i'm the idiot?

>>94378827
I don't care about Snyder and I am a big Halfag, but you'd have to be brand new to comics to take any claims about NOTHING WILL EVER BE THE SAME from events seriously

>>94375703
We know the JL is part of the main Metal Book and this is a cover for a tie-in. Maybe this an alternate JL?

>>94379258
Nah, he's losing his limbs. Also switched arms for the ring and one green glove.

The murder machine just shoots at you and makes pixels effects but in reality.

https://twitter.com/Ssnyder1835/status/893119521241870336
SPOLIERS GUYS -

>>94375716
Oh shit nigga. Are they going to turn him into atomic green lantern??

>>94378991
As a reader of one of the big seven, I have to put up with this bullshit since it's going to be intruding into my regular reading line up. So no, you cannot pull that "just don't read it" crap, since this is forcing itself into being my problem.

Seriously. Bat-Ares. I am fucking done being nice to DC now. They are every bit as bad as Marvel is at the moment, they're just being more subtle about it. ... Bat-Ares, what cocaine huffing retard came up with that utter shit? Goddamn.

>>94379402
He's talking about the evil characters.

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METAL 2 THAT MY DAMI !!

>>94379445
Ahaha, this retard actually thinks this is going to affect canon instead of being another multiverse story. Look at him and laugh.

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>>94376721
Capullo's art doesn't seem as good as it did on the main Batman run with Danny Miki inking him.

The Batman Who Laughs is leader of the bad batmans says scott synder.

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that is cute.

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>>94379492
Fuck off.
>>94379445
>As a reader of one of the big seven
May I ask which one?

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>>94379583

>>94379668
BAT IT IS CUTE

Teen Titans (2016-) #12
A DARK NIGHTS: METAL tie-in! “GOTHAM RESISTANCE” part one! The fight for Gotham City’s soul starts here! When Robin receives a distress call from Nightwing urging him to return home, he discovers that Gotham City has been transformed into a mosaic of monsters, magic and doom! Trapped inside the Riddler’s deadly maze with nowhere to turn, Robin soon assembles an unlikely team of hometown heroes including Batgirl, Harley Quinn, Killer Croc, Black Canary and Green Arrow to find the missing Nightwing and save their city!

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>>94379682
Ah yes. I remember the classic page.
>Criminals are a superstitious and cowardly lot, so my costume must be able to strike cuteness into their hearts.

>>94379445
>As a reader of one of the big seven, I have to put up with this bullshit since it's going to be intruding into my regular reading line up. So no, you cannot pull that "just don't read it" crap, since this is forcing itself into being my problem.
So what, one issue of bi-monthly Flash in October or Hal and Pals in November? So intrusive.

>>94379908
One issue of cosmic level Batwank is one too many.

Also,
>implying anyone reads current Green Lantern
Yeah, let me know when they actually go back to being space cops.

This is why we need L.E.G.I.O.N back. The GLs are fucking USELESS.

>>94380009
You're trying too hard, man.

>>94379824
cute.

>>94380009
Faggot.

>>94380029
>having an opinion is "trying too hard"
Fuckers keep saying the hivemind isn't really, and then some retard says some shit like this. Fuck all of you Bat-Cock worshiping pissant drones.

I got no idea why you fucks hate Snyder so much, he's the goddamned pope of your Bat-religion.

>>94379465
Scott SYnder says in on twitter the heros Will lose their hope in book 2..Because they are too few people..I think damian will come with help.

>>94375716

I dunno, kind of looks like his right fist is just pointed away from us. And radiating sparklies. Yellow sparklies.

Does Hal have two rings right now, anons? I can't keep track of all his comrings and gorings these days.

>>94375703
>Frank Tieri

Well, this is most likely not worth checking out.

>>94380138
I think he's saying you're trying too hard because you're really coming across as a foaming Batman hating autist which is true or an obvious troll.

>>94375742
If Batman merch sells well, it's only natural for DC to make an entire event around merchable designs.

Expect a Harley event soon based on their logic.

>>94375744
I'm still pissed that Johns wasted the ENTIRE Crime Syndicate.

>>94380426
>hating Batman is autism
You emulate your god well, actively seeking to control the opinions of others.

>>94375703
That is one metal as fuck cover.

>>94380138
>Snyder is the pope of Batman

Top kek. Way to expose yourself as a filthy casual. Oneil is the Pope, Snyder is some shitty spin off of the religion with a loud base.

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>>94375812
He doesn't mind Snyder retconing Hawkman's origin.

>>94381116
Nu52 already tossed it all out.


While Snyder versions is same as johns but being a human who eventually becomes reborn a lot and then Hawkman. I bet Snyder will link both HawkMen into one character. Katar nu52 probably is a reincarnation of Carter.

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>>94381300
Yeah, I know. But I wonder if Snyder will retcon Zauriel backstory into it, since Hawkman is now from the dawn of humanity.

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>>94381369
For those who don't know, Zauriel was originally a Hawkman replacement.

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>>94381369
Only the hawk clan does.

>>94381548
naaah
IIRC Hath-Set deleted Hawkman's memories from before Egypt, as stated in Dark Days, but he is from the dawn of humanity

>>94375716>>94378459>>94380358
If you look at Flash and Wondy, the pink beams seem to be disintegrating them and leaving those cubes behind. I think Hal just got hit by those beams on the cover. Probably won't actually happen.

>>94380545

>Expect a Harley event soon based on their logic.

Unironically hyped.

Did you people hear about the Doomdays Clock supposed spoilers?

>>94382099
no ?

>>94382099
what are you talking about?

>>94379445
How old are you?

>>94380596
Sounds more like you're projecting.

>>94382099
I did and I truly hope that the spoilers aren't true because if they were, I will seriously drop DC.

Tieri is Italian for terrible trash

>>94382377

Spill the beans plz

>>94382099
CONNER AND SUPER BOY PRIME -
silber superman that is what i reed.

>>94382377
>>94382099
What spoilers?

>>94382377
>>94382099
I smell bullshit but those numbers say otherwise

>>94382459
>>94382458
>>94382452
>>94382377
>>94382133
from the cbr forum

>I registered here to share this with you fellow Superman fans. Take this with a grain of salt though I believe it myself.

>I have information from someone I wouldn't call a "source," just someone I know who has connections at DC. They know I love Superman and shared some info they became privy to a few weeks ago.

>I'll break this into categories, but the overall info is connected.

>Convergence: what I've heard is that Convergence was planned as a transitional story during the move to L.A. but also as a "back door" for fallout from the New 52 and DC You. In other words, Convergence was there to open up new ways to restore things fans missed. The reason the story seemed to be ignored is because Geoff Johns had the Rebirth idea in mind and didn't want people referring back to Convergence as DC moved forward on repairing their comics universe. Johns had some input with Convergence but it was mainly DiDio's project and Johns didn't want it to become the basis for DC's renewal.

>DiDio wants Convergence to remain canon, while Johns wanted it ignored entirely. Johns worked with the Superman writers on Reborn and directed them to create a new timeline that would ignore Convergence and much of the New 52 Superman material outside of Johns' brief run. The compromise is that while some aspects of Convergence have been retconned, like how Jon Kent was born, the prevention of Crisis On Infinite Earths still happened. Johns reluctantly agreed but decided that he would have to address Convergence in some way. That's where Doomsday Clock comes in.

>>94382473
Spoiers..i think tha is what anon means
http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?98805-Do-you-think-these-Superman-and-Rebirth-details-are-real

>>94382559
>Johns will use Doomsday Clock to fully remove the majority of the remaining New 52 elements from the DCU. Characters like Duke Thomas and Wally II will remain but will fit into a new timeline that will unfold at the end of Rebirth. Johns mentioned that Doomsday Clock would be 7 issues but now it's 12 but didn't mention that this pushes the end of Rebirth back to October of 2018. DC will re-launch a number of new titles that month and rename others. Superman and Batman will have already been renumbered by then, but other titles will also follow suit. The new DCU that emerges from Doomsday Clock will be largely the post-Infinite Crisis timeline with very few New 52 aspects integrated. Superman's time as Superboy with the Legion will be back in canon along with the JSA.

>Johns is going to address the problem of the current DC universe's existence in light of Crisis being averted, establishing that the 5 Earths that became the current DCU were still combined while the rest of the infinite Multiverse was spared. Manhattan witnessed the final battle in Crisis and became obsessed with the surviving Earth and its inhabitants, especially Superman. Manhattan is fascinated by Superman because despite all his godlike power and knowledge he simply doesn't understand Superman.

>Johns also wanted to split the current DCU back into its 5 Earths from COIE, meaning the JSA would be on Earth-2 and the main DCU will be Earth-One. Didio shot this down and Johns is sticking to the original concept of a combined universe.

>>94382590
>Johns developed Mr. Oz during his Superman run as a recurring mystery villain but he was not at all connected to Watchmen or Ozymandias. This changed when Johns had the idea to make Manhattan the villain behind the New 52. Johns also decided to use Mr. Oz as a way of redeeming one of his favorite characters: Superboy Prime. Mr. Oz is really Superboy Prime, but the twist is that since the original Earth-Prime was never destroyed, Superboy went home and continued to live his life. He read Watchmen and continued reading DC Comics while operating as his universe's Superboy. When he read the New 52 he realized someone was interfering and tried to leave his universe. He traveled through time and other universes in the process and realized that Manhattan was behind it all. Superboy built a base outside of time and began acquiring "troops" in a coming fight with Manhattan. This is the original Superboy from Earth-Prime as he was introduced during COIE, so he's not the twisted psychopath from Infinite Crisis. He has had to do some shady stuff in the course of his mission, which is to save the main Superman (Earth-Zero) and the DCU.

>Doomsday Clock is a Superman story not only because of the main Superman facing Manhattan, but also because of other versions of Superman appearing in the story, like Superboy Prime, Red Son Superman, and others. There won't be a massive battle between all these Supermen but Manhattan will use them to show our Superman all that he could become and is in different universes.

>>94382575
>Prime Time

That's how I know it's fake.

Best boy will never return.

>>94382614
>The Legion will come to Superman's aid throughout Doomsday Clock and will be fully revealed and restored at the end of the story before getting a new title after Doomsday Clock. The JSA will also be integral to the story. These are the "other characters" Johns mentioned in the interview he did when Doomsday Clock was announced. Finally, Superman will go through a few more changes in Doomsday Clock, which will be explored in the main titles. He will return to his original costume at some point and will also travel through time to prevent the murder of the Kents, who we find out were really killed by Manhattan through Vyndktvx. This will be a rare case of a hero changing the timeline for a good reason, a reverse of what Johns did with Flashpoint.

>That's a lot to process but that's what I've heard. I believe it's true or at least very close to what will happen but like I said, take it with a grain of salt.

>>94382590
>Duke Thomas and Wally II
no thanks.

>>94382559
>>94382590
>>94382614
I want to believe that DC isn't this dumb to do this and these spoilers are fake (have any spoilers of event that come out without pics ever been true?).

>>94382614
All bs.

>>94382700
i think is a fake.

>>94382700
Only Civil War II and that was believable because everyone at the Marvel retreat knew about it. I haven't seen real DC ones in the social media era. Maybe before that.

>>94382700
I don't really buy it on the basis that Snyder's New 52 Batman is still somehow a top seller. They'd still want to keep a lot of that in.

>>94382700
CWII is the only time where spoilers were true.

>>94382727

Thank Humphries for that one

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>>94381896
Nope.

>>94382639

Nah.

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He argued for SEVEN HOURS.
That's weapons grade autism if I ever saw it.

>>94382746
I'm really convinced it was him

>>94382700

These rumors are always too continuity heavy to be true. Why would anyone be interested in a story that only shuffles canon? There's no conflict, and half of these characters haven't been used in close to a decade.

I know Johns wants his toys back, but you can't fuck over the entirety of the New 52 to do so. Fans of the last 6 years of DC won't be pleased, and theres no guarantee Joe the 90's comic fan is gonna sprint back to his LCS once he finds out his old Legion issues "matter" again.

>>94382746
>>94382833
where does this come from?
how did he leak CW2 spoilers?

>>94382733
JL was also a big hit. Heck, the entire of N52 was a big success. Didio and Lee aren't going to get rid of it nor Johns since he liked it too.

>>94382746
Kek, based Humphries.

>>94382842
>These rumors are always too continuity heavy to be true. Why would anyone be interested in a story that only shuffles canon?

that's literally 90% of DC's output
>what is Superman Reborn
>what is Convergence
>what is The Button
>what are the Crisises

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>>94382870
the circumstances of him suddenly jumping ship when we was such a Marvel guy are too suspicious and just look at him, probably got done emailing everything to Johns right when this was taken

>>94379258
Yep it's an alt JL witj their Batman gone evil.

Basically the evil Batmen are versions of Batman's nightmares from different realities in the Dark Matter universe.

>>94375746 for example is a Batman who killed Flash and made a suit that apparently mimics his powers or just makes him go fast (Snyder and Capullo didn't go into much detail at SDCC).

The Doomsday Batman is a Batman who tried to cure Superman from a Doomsday virus but accidentally ended infecting himself and the people from his world.

>>94380545
>>94382088
They remake the comic where joker becomes good, except Harley gets those powers. Joker manipulates her to get what he wants

>>94382842
Some old geezers are so desperate for Superman’s trunks that they are truly believe that DC going to get rid of their entire continuity just to bring them back.

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>>94382797
Yes, faggot. You missed a storytime.

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>>94382999

>>94382972
Trunks are already back. Anyway the rumors are bs.

>>94382999
Only generations not dawn of time.

>>94383024
They want Superman’s current costume to have the trunks. Superman wearing it in the past isn't enough for them.

>>94382902
>JL was also a big hit. Heck, the entire of N52 was a big success. Didio and Lee aren't going to get rid of it nor Johns since he liked it too.

No, I'd say the launch and first year of the New 52 was a big success. After that I think the ones that were still success stories all the way to Convergence were Snyder's Batman and maybe Johns' Justice League.

But I definitely think the rumor doesn't make a whole lot of sense considering like you pointed out Johns' Justice League was a big hit.

The Superman rumors I could sort of believe given that they erased a lot of New 52 stuff. But something like Zero Year or what not I don't really see them erasing, although they could do some sort of mix of that and Year One.

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>>94381369
And here's a flaming sword. It's seems too much of a coincidence.

>>94382928
Coates JUST face gets me everytime.

>>94382902
>the entire of N52 was a big success
It's funny how whinny Post-Crisis fans ignore this fact.

>>94382922

Convergence didn't sell, nor did it do much to change the multiverse contrary to popular belief.

Superman Reborn was necessary, and only spent like 2 pages on clarifying canon.

Almost nothing happened in the button, except easter eggs.

Seriously I think DC has realized they do more harm than good trying to appease continuity fags. Doomsday clock is gonna be a Watchmen and Superman story, not another Crisis. They don't need to reconfigure much to add the JSA and Legion back.

>>94380358
He made his current ring himself, but he also had another ring that he took off to go renegade that I'm guessing Venditti is just hoping we'll ignore

>>94383122
>they erased a lot of New 52 stuff
They actually didn't. Superman kept a lot of events from N52 .

>>94383108
Not even gonna happen. The trunks don't even fit the costume patterns everyone else has. Plus there's still plenty of Earths with them.

Why would they care so much about the trunks over everything is beyond me, and I grew up them. Idc if they're there or not.

>>94383200
pretty much the only thing that got erased was the SMWW ship, and good riddance

>>94383177
>Seriously I think DC has realized they do more harm than good trying to appease continuity fags
I truly, truly hope that they do. Continuity idiots are one of the main poisons killing this industry.

>>94383235
I never understood why some fans think that New 52 is gone with Rebirth. Snyder flat out stated in the early interviews of Rebirth that New 52 is still the main continuity.

>>94383334
Back issue wankers.

>>94383253
>Continuity idiots are one of the main poisons killing this industry.

If the last five years are any indication, the opposite is true.

>another Batman story
wew

>>94383334
>>94383235
>>94383200
Which New 52 stuff was still kept in place? The only thing I remember is the Kents dying early in Superman's teenage years and him using the New 52 suit (but it's implied he started wearing it after the Reign of the Supermen). His early years seemed based on Secret Origin and doesn't seem to acknowledge the 30's inspired origin that Morrison put in.

>>94383431
>If the last five years are any indication, the opposite is true
Comic industry in general isn't doing well thanks to a lot of comic stores closing in the recent years (a major store closed like two years ago that hit the industry big time for example) and other reasons. Dumb continuity fans who will never satisfied have nothing to do with it.

>>94383334
Deluded continuityfags that were so triggered by the n52 but starving to read DC convinced themselves that it erased the n52

>>94383470
batman sells better to the masses than any other dc hero including superman, so can you really blame them?

>>94383564
Read the issue of Action Comics following the Reborn event and New Super-Man and you will find out (sorry man I'm too lazy to make a list so just read these if you want to find out).

>>94383564
Literally everything not related to Superman? Hell even the Superman family shit didn't get touched
Oh but you're a wikipediafag so you mean overarching continuity shit, here's an answer, stay on Wikipedia

>>94383692
I'm talking about New 52 Superman's history, you fucking illiterate, not the entire New 52.

>>94383122
>The Superman rumors I could sort of believe given that they erased a lot of New 52 stuff.

>>94383673
I read the Action Comics issue. That's why I'm wondering what got kept in because it looks like it's the Kents dying and the suit that got kept. The origin's based on Secret Origin, they put in a bunch of post-Byrne era stuff and Henshaw was always a Cyborg Superman. The post-Convergence Lois and Clark stuff got incorporated in but modified.

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>yfw this entire event is just Snyder making his own multiversity except with blackjack and hookers

>>94383564
Pretty much everything stayed. Biggest difference is that Metallo got changed I guess? Even some version of Truth still canonically happened.

Morrison didn't even do anything in the early years that could be referenced besides the imp stuff.

>>94375703
I don't how to feel about this event. Snyder said that it going to be fun action (which I didn't believe), but it has been so freaking try-hard edgy so far. Like seriously, the guy needs to get off Batman already and start writing something else.

>>94383192
He used the gauntlet when he went renegade, not a ring. Said gauntlet was destroyed in a recent arc since it apparently became sentient in the future.

>>94383177
>>94383253
Keep sucking that New 52 dick you morons.

>>94383978
>freaking try-hard edgy

what exactly did you think was edgy about it?
there was no mass murder, dismemberment or torture which I associate with edge
it was two issues of guest stars, investigation and info dump

>>94383874
>This entire event is just Snyder making his own multiversity except with blackjack and hookers
How can DC be so based?

>>94383068
>dawn of time.
I said dawn of humanity.
https://youtu.be/2XkV6IpV2Y0

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>>94384173
Snyder's allowed to do that because his Batman sells.

>>94384249
wonder what % he gets from that?

>>94384215
I should clarify I don't mean a complete copy of Zauriel's backstory, just the fall in love and former angel parts.

>>94384009
He took off his GL ring before he stole the gauntlet and left it in his locker, we haven't seen that particular ring again

The one he's got now is an entirely new one