In McShane to blay Prof. broom in Hellboy:rise of the Blood Queen

>>94334543
>especially after harbours recent comments on why its R rated.
What was the reason?

>>94334543

>Hellboy
>Reboot

I'd be fucking livid if I were Ron Perlman right now. Hell, I'm still pretty bemused, what the fuck. I thought a Hellboy film would be 'too risky' and 'not guaranteed to garner a sufficient profit'.

McShane is always great, I don't think I've ever seen him half ass even when it's something like the maniac who dresses as Santa on American Horror Story.

>>94334543
>In McShane

I'd like to be in McShane, if you catch my drift

>>94334632
Yeah. That is the thing. No one supposedly wanted to do it, yet now, suddenly people are willing to back it? Makes no fucking sense and seemed Perlman and del Toro were just being led along by Mignola and Millennium Films.

>>94334632
>>94334676
Del Toro wanted a shit ton of cash that the producers wouldn't agree on.
Which if it meant that Hellboy 3 was gonna be even larger scaled than 2 I'm actually happy about. I prefer my Hellboy comfy over epic, especially if it meant Hellbabies.

>>94334627
>“It goes R not for reasons of nudity." Harbour explained. "It goes R for a bit of gore and horror, but also a bit of just the mature aspect of it, the mature themes of it. Just that we’re dealing with complicated subjects."

>"It’s a real character piece. Of course, it has huge action elements to it, but we’ve modeled it somewhat on Shakespeare. I mean, it’s a bit like Hamlet. It really is this study of this man going through this horrible conundrum and we really get to go in deep with him.”

http://comicbook.com/movies/2017/07/26/hellboy-rise-of-the-blood-queen-r-rating-david-harbour/

>>94334648
>I don't think I've ever seen him half ass
Cody Banks was not his moment of honor but I can't hold it against him

>>94334683
>but also a bit of just the mature aspect of it, the mature themes of it
The MPAA does not hand out R ratings for a story requiring an adult to comprehend it, they hand them out for nipples, blood and the F word in sufficient combination

>>94334676
Del Toro wanted a lot of cash for it, this is being made because it's getting a low budget. Also Mignola can do whatever the fuck he wants with Hellboy, its his property.

I'm glad that Hellboy is being rebooted because I very much disliked GDT's interpretation of the characters and the stories he ended up writing.
Sure there are some nice aspects in both films, but I after reading through a few of the HB comics, it really showed how wanting the films were.

>>94334543
No one will really be able to match Hurt, the guy's performance was what made Mignola refret killing him off immediately and made him do more flashback stories. But McShane is a good pick and im willing to be proven wrong.

>>94334632
The issue is Del Toro can never hold a project down, and I think Mignola just got tired of waiting. Good thing I'd say, the plot for 3 sounded awful. There is the possibility Perlman will get a cameo role as Hellboy's dad, or maybe a larger one as Astaroth.

So if Ron isnt playing Hellboy, who is?

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>>94334810
David Harbour

>>94334810
Some cuck from Stranger Things. The sheriff.

>>94334683
>“It goes R not for reasons of nudity." Harbour explained. "It goes R for a bit of gore and horror
>blood and guts kewl, nudity bad

americans. every time.

>>94334543
I hope this shit bombs horribly. After the bullshit with a third Hellboy, not going out and just saying NO years ago and leading people on was bullshit. Fuck Mignola.

>>94334758
My biggest gripes with GDT really seem like studio bullshit, Meyers and and Liz romance stuff.

>>94334877
>implying the films, while not total garbage, did anything to capture the essence of Hellboy instead of just being del Toro jacking off to the idea of a fantasy-style Men in Black

I'm excited for the reboot and hope it's true to the nature of Hellboy's story

>>94334683
>Of course, it has huge action elements to it, but we’ve modeled it somewhat on Shakespeare. I mean, it’s a bit like Hamlet.
Shit like this gets said for every fucking thing. From Winter Soldier being a "political thriller" to Thor being "Shakespearian."

So is Dog Solders any good?

>>94335004

Is that any relation to Dog Welder?

>professor "broom"
>not bruttenholm

Ugh

But okay

>>94334826
Hey, I'm not complaining, but they probably going to render him in CGI and not make-up like Ron did.

>>94335004
>Dog Solders
Not as good as The Descent, but I like it.

>>94334728
Explain to me why There Will be Blood is rated R then. MPAA is biased is fuck, read up on it.

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>>94335057
>going to render him in CGI and not make-up like Ron did.

Then why would they hire this guy?

>>94334543
>Hellboy
Cool
>Reboot
Fuck.

>>94335157
Who's that?

>>94334977
This is what I don't get. They're fine to just watch on their own, but I don't get why /co/ so adamantly sucks those movie's cocks.

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>>94335230
Joel Harlow, he's a make up and special effects guy that Mingola tweeted about working with.

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>>94335057

>>94335238
Probably because it did well for normies who don't read comics and when normies enjoy adaptations, it means eventually comic adaptations might get better.

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>>94334543
So who will play liz and abe? Also will pic related make a appearance?

>>94335660
I wouldn't even mind if neither Abe or Liz made appearances in the film.

>>94334728
You should watch "This Film Is Not Yet Rated".

>>94335660
Oh man, I can already imagine all the tears when Abe is a bad ass as opposed to being a scared nerd

How would you guys feel if they got Lee Pace as Abe?

>>94335852
It depends on the characterization really.

>>94335822
Abe is a badass except he's keeps getting stuck in periods of existential crisis about his identity which got really old plus he's got to deal with people like Devon

i dunno if they'll ever top John Hurt but that's some damn fine casting

>>94335916
Oh man I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought his solo was fucking dull.

>>94336170
Scott Allie is a shitty writer that's why, I'm pissed he's writing BPRD now

>>94334774
>The issue is Del Toro can never hold a project down

he's about to put out his 3rd film in 4 years

>>94335057
Mignola is a classic horror nut, he's gonna insist on makeup effects. he keeps a drawer of Universal and British horror films.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Demon

this is one of his favorites

Tilda Swinton for Kate

>tfw you'll miss old movie Abe more than HB himself
can't smile without you...

>>94334774
>a cameo role as Hellboy's dad,
Satan is a cameo in Hellboy-verse.

>>94336375
Hellboy's dad isn't Satan.

>>94334543
this doesn't fit at all, mcshane can't dial back the intense in any role he does, guy constantly sounds like he wants to call you a motherfucker with every word he utters.

>>94336194
The problem is that he has too much Mignolaverse graft. He's been a been a big part of the production for so long that it's hard to deny him. But yeah he is shit compared to Arcudi.

>>94336596
He's fine as an editor but he should leave writing to the writers - of course the problem is Roberson also sucks

>>94334632
Ron seemed cool with it though. He had dinner with Harbour (and Patton Oswalt for some reason). It appears like they got along well.

As much as it pains me to admit it, Ron is getting up there in age. I don't think he's up for such a physically demanding role and spending hours each day in make-up anymore.

I would have loved for them to complete the trilogy, but everything I heard so far about the new movie seems really good.
>interesting director, who isn't a studio stooge
>character actor that seems invested in the project
>trying to get closer to the tone of the comics

>>94335787
Hopefully Kate will show up.

>>94336640
Bet he'll have a cameo though.

>>94336729
Ron would be a perfect Astaroth

>>94336622
Mignolaverse kinda shit the bed towards the ending of Hellboy. All Mignola stuff was fantastic, but the team itself fell apart pretty hard. I actually haven't even read anything past the end of Hell on Earth.

>>94336170
Honestly while it was never bad it got so repetitive and boring with most of the cast being assholes including the BPRD hunting him down for some reason and worst of it all it was super anti-climatic

>>94336739
>Astaroth
Hmm, I could see it.

>>94334543
if this whole fucking movie isn't just Lovejoy quotes and Bruttenholm and Hellboy rattling around antique traders and smashing the crap out of ugly spooky old shit, they're doing it wrong

sunrise, sunset

>>94336328

too tall, kate's a shortass

Haven't been keeping up on the gossip, do we have any idea what era this is set in?

It would make some sense that Harbour was playing a younger HB than the Del Taco movies.... It being set in the "hellboy and the bprd 195-whatever" time period would be really cool.

Very nice of mignola to slap the guy who is the only reason people know what hellboy even is right in the face with this, that type of dick headiness is rather impressive.

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>>94334992
The first Thor movie was directed by Kenneth Branagh, a noted Shakespearean actor and director who has adapted numerous Shakespeare plays for the screen. You could actually feel a bit of that sensibility in the first movie, with the way the Asgard characters carried themselves and projected. There was a bit of that grandeur to them that inhabits some of Shakespeare's royal characters, his kings and princes.

>>94337882
plus she's not a crazy bitch who believes racist gnomes run the universe

Tilda Swinton for Green Lantern

>>94338074
Your giving Mignola to much credit here it was princess a studio executive who booted Del Toro

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>>94338088
i dunno about shakespeare but Hellboy's always tried to lean on the literary side

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>>94338162
Oh, well, absolutely. Hellboy's cosmology is pure Milton, after all; the demonic city is even called Pandemonium like in Paradise Lost. And all the fairy stuff is straight out of Shakespeare and Spenser and some of the other great poets.

>>94338074
>slap the guy
They couldn't work it out so Mignola and the studio moved on to a different director and Del Toro moved on to his own projects. Why is this some sort of crime?

>>94338107

If they got her for this movie... desu I'd be willing to bet she could pull off Abe...

Like think of how she looked bald in Dr.Strange , add makeup and prosthetics, and im sure shes moreee than capable of finding a suitable voice for Abe.

Plus shes all weird and androgynous looking in the first place, which only helps.

Its not like I think they should or would do that but I bet she could do it.

>>94338207
that was so fucking cool when they revealed Pandemonium was being held up on the backs of fallen angels the entire time

>>94335291
damn, mignola's gone rasputin.

>>94338122
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?

>>94336298

Is there a solid interview where he lists some choice films?

I know for literature he veers towards Poe, Lovecraft, folktales and the early pulps. I'm not sure what else.

>>94336170
>>94336194

It was really good when it was flashbacks, lore, or the big finale stuff. Abe and whatshername wandering America was boring. Allie can write, but curiously he needs a goddamned editor himself.

>>94338643
can't remember one particular podcast, but Frankenstein 1931 was a big one.

>>94338628
It is what it is. A one page comic that could be very good if expanded.

>>94338273

The three guardian spirit things who first fucked it all up in Hyperboria, right? I need to reread EVERYTHING. It's all just fragments of weird mythic lore in my head.

>>94338696

I've been eyeballing the Classic Universal Horror bluray sets. I think I'm waiting for Creature from the Black Lagoon, since that was the one film series I somehow saw as a kid and I loved them. So cool, that works for me.

>>94338747
I just finished a full reread of Plague of Frogs and Hell on Earth, it's an amazing epic. The character development is unbelievable and characters like Iosif and Johann are triumphs in long form comic writing.

As sad as it will be when it all ends, a full reread of the Mignolaverse is going to be a hell of an experience.

>>94338806
I'm ready for those Hell on Earth hardcovers and the Abe Sapien ones

Maybe we'll get Lobster Johnson ones some day

>>94334543
well I guess I'll just book my ticket now then

>>94338851
me too, I have all of Plague of Frogs and the HC for 1946-1948. I did read Hell on Earth on a very large tablet though, the art is crazy.

>>94337992
the guy they got for Bruttenholm seems younger than how old he was when he died, so i'm guessing it will be earlier on

>>94338806

I think that's what I'm waiting for. If he actually completes everything it's going to be an incredible achievement in comic story telling.

I just hope there's one last act to tell with Hellboy himself. I can't shake the feeling that there's just a little more to tell with him at the end of it all.

>>94338899
>so i'm guessing it will be earlier on
Or they won't kill him off in the first movie

>>94338851

I have every single Mignola trade already, so I never bothered with the hardcovers. Now I hear there's expanded sketch sections so I don't know if I've made the smart move or not.

>>94338905
I hope everyone shows up for the End of the World

>>94338947

I think there's stew a few prophecies and visions involving HB at the end of everything. So... I very much FEEL like there's a final act. I just hope I'm not deluding myself.

>>94335299
Where is this from?

>>94339059

Twitter or some shit. It's him getting a mold done to cast the hand out of.

>>94336403
nerd

>>94336403
Hope they don't include "Azzael"
fuck, it's like mignola couldn't decide between Azrael and Azazel.

>>94338851
Hellboy in hell is getting a library edition on oct

>>94337585
Seems like it's gonna be the battle with Nimue

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For curiosity's sake, Del Toro's plans for HELLBOY 3.

>Hellboy and Liz have children. One is demon-looking like Hellboy and one is human-looking like Liz.

>John Myers returns and reveals that Rasputin has been revived by occultist billionaire Roderick Zinco. Kroenen is also back as a head in a jar attached to a robotic body.

>Rasputin and Zinco are after Hellboy's child to unleash the apocalypse. They send a brainwashed archangel that Rasputin captured in WWII to kill Hellboy.

>Everyone assumes the demon-looking son is the one Rasputin is after, but it is actually the human-looking one. The kid opens the gates of Hell.

>Hellboy is forced to put him down, kills Rasputin for good, and sacrifices himself to close the gates. Zinco is arrested by Myers.

>Set up for Hellboy's demon-looking son to go on new adventures in the future.

>Abe, Kraus and Manning were going to return.

>Lobster Johnson would appear in a WWII flashback about how Rasputin captured the archangel, played by Bruce Campbell.

>>94339625
>kids
Worst

>lobster Johnson
Almost makes up for it

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does the film have any shot at looking like this?

>>94339625
This is a mixed bag.

I wish we got to see it though.

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who's the best Mignola villain?

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>>94339975
Honestly the Black Flame was my favorite so far considering how crazy he got an ogdru jahad ok earth which should've been game over for warth

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>>94340167
I loved him

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>>94340167
no one drew him like James Harren

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>>94340167
Even before he went full Black Flame he was still a crazy bastard Zinco was just full nutjobs

>>94338271
yeah she's a good actor

she's just batshit insane

>>94340376
>>94338271
wait when you say pull off are we talking about her as Abe or her as Kate jerking off Abe, Necronomicon style

because yeah Swinton would probably do that too

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>>94340225
He really needs to come back to BPRDim suprised he hasn't since all he's working on is Rumble

>>94339975
>>94340213
>>94340167
I'm also with these anons, loved that he battled lobster Johnson, both sledgehammers, and Liz, took over NY, brought down one of the seven, had a pretty cool origin story, and was an AMAZING shit talker when fighting johammer and Liz, I think he called johammer a fat beetle once haha. And I also agree that harren drew him best but I'm a sucker for how Harren draws big guys like in rumble, and the big Russian guy

>>94339865
God i wish, but as good a choice as this guy sounds as a director, studio films tend to be extremely boring in presentation, i still have hopes that they will try to replicate mignola's style of shadowing, a man can dream

>>94340482
Any news one when rumble is starting up again?

>>94340482
Damn rumble is so beautiful, i gotta get the collected editions one of these days

>>94339625
i like how cheesy the "good kid is bad" twist is, and bruce campbell as lobster johnson would be amazing, but beyond that it sounds generic and shit.

>>94335660
Eh I'm not comfortable with any exclusively BPRD characters showing up in a Hellboy movie. It completely alters the team dynamic which is central to both series.

>>94341916

Jesus Christ man he was in Wake the Devil and Conquerer Worm. Hellboy is the guy who saved him and brought him into the BPRD.

>>94341916
>exclusively BPRD

Hellboy literally named Roger

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>>94342531

>>94339625
Wish they'd print it as an Elseworld's comic...

>>94339625
>John Myers returns

Mingola made the right choice

>reboot
>when they only had the third movie left to close the apocalypse plot they had going since the first one

Why.

> first movie: the life and death of Hellboy ending with him dying at the hands of Nimue
>second movie: Hellboy in Hell part 1 movie ends with Hellboy in hell watching a marionette show of The Magician and the Snake
>third movie: Hellboy in Hell part 2

>>94344034
I'd kill for a theatrical budget short animation about The magician and the Snake it could be like the deathly hollow shorts in Harry Potter except animated closer to Mignolas style

>>94334632
Why would Ron Perlman be mad? He had his time with the role and had fun doing it. Also, he physically can't do it anymore even if he wanted to so its kind of a moot point. There was a small window for a third Hellboy movie that Perlman was up for it but that clearly passed when it went the way of so many other Del Taco projects.

>>94334977
This. I love Ron Perlman in the role, and even though movie Abe was nothing like comic Abe, David Hyde Pierce did a good job. The Del Toro movies are fun for what they are, but they're not Hellboy. I'd love to see someone actually manage to capture the spirit and tone of the books in a movie before the hero blockbuster fad dies.

>>94334992
Winter Soldier was most definitely a political thriller. A political thriller with comic book elements for sure but a political thriller all the same.

>>94336777
Eh, I thought the finale for Hell on Earth was pretty great, especially with all the Johann stuff.

I have mixed emotions lads

I think I've gotten so used to Perlman not sure what to think of the new guy but he's probably gonna dumped in a bunch of makeup so it shouldn't be problem

Idk if I was in charge I would make this entirely animated in mignolas style


So are gonna get a lobster Johnson flick too?

>>94334543

>"Rise of the" title

I know you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, but god damn these kinds of movie titles were stale 10 years ago.

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>>94344486
goodbye old friend

>>94343763

This. I wish they'd do SOMETHING to show what could have been. Knowing Del Toro he has massive preproduction artwork already. Release that as an artbook with the script to make a sort of graphic novel thing. Go a step further and have Perlman, Jones, and Blair do an audioplay to give us something.

>>94343926

Because they needed more money to do the third film and the studio wasn't willing to fork it over. This isn't hard to figure out. It sucks, but it's a legitimate reason.

>>94339975
>>94340167
>>94340213
Is there I place where I can read all the B.P.R.D comics?
I've bought a few trades but this is getting kind of expensive...

>>94334543
Oh...I forgot John Hurt died

>>94334543
too intimidating...he looks like a black smith to me, Professor Broom shoulda been Malcolm McDowell...

I'm Still excited though

>>94344771
>So this is spiral power

>>94334632
I think it's because Del Toro demanded a huge budget and Pacific rim had trouble making it's budget back (just barely crossing the mark because china LOVES mechs), Hellboy wouldn't have gotten that big of an international boost, and the audience has probably disappeared since 2008 when the last one came out...it's been a decade. A new hellboy universe means a larger potential audience (because anyone can jump on board) and a new director means a more reasonable budget

>>94339625
That sounds fucking retarded

>>94344486
Yeah Hell on Earth ended good, I'm just very wary of the current creative teams. Especially because Mignola seems like he'll be more hands off this cycle.

So, question for the comics fans:

Is any of the magic elf/Earth spirit/fairytale stuff in The Golden Army from the comics? Like, at all?

I mean it's pretty clear even as an outsider that Hellboy II is nothing like the comics just by how much of a Del Toro movie it is. He got full creative control and it showed, it's not really much like the first movie.

I'm just wondering if there's anything from The Golden Army that's in the comics.

>>94339625
i like it. look, the comics are great, but they're great in ways that are impossible to replicate in a two hour film. this does it's own, weird, del toro thing, and i bet it would have been good for what it was.

>>94345760
Golden army is closer to the fatal fury OVA than to hellboy
Both movies have a hugely different tone from the comics, they are nothing alike despite the movie following some staples, and the siblings , samael and the golden army are movie only, samael was actually designed by mignola tho

>>94345760
I can't think of anything from the second one that was from the comics

>>94345760
some say that hellboy 2 is more like the comic than the first one.

as far as I know, the golden army itself isn't in the comics, but the general vibe of having a sympathetic villain trying vainly to save his dying race and things like the troll market and the elemental are very comic-like. hell, hellboy and abe getting drunk together is the kind of after mission shenanigans that entire comic shorts are based on.

wheras one sort of feels like a souless copy of the comics without actually getting the feel right even if the characters are named the same.

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>>94345242
good man

>>94345760
Outside of the general spirit of things, none whatsoever. As far as adaptions go, the Hellboy movies are anything but accurate. That seems to be more by design though, Mignola basically encouraged Del Taco to stray from the comics as much as he wanted so he could essentially make his own stamp on Hellboy. Hopefully, this new series is a bit more faithful to the comics.

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>>94334632
Perlman is too old now.

>>94334774
Perlman as Astaroth? That could be pretty cool.