>Loserrr...

>>94294196
I see the driveway is still broken.

>>94294212
Fucking driveways and rooftops are more on-model than Steven Universe.

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we've had cases when writers expect you to like a character, but do nothing to make you like them (Lisa, Brian, pretty much anyone writer mouth piece or pet character)
but Jerry is a character the writers expect you to hate, despite having so many episodes showing he's not worth hating

>>94294787
Hate? He's supposed to be pathetic, you're feeling the thing the writers wants you to feel, pity.

>>94294875
i don't feel sorry for Jerry for his situation, i insulted over the lame jokes

>>94294196
Is he going to be the cartoon equivalent of Cricket from it's always sunny in philadelphia?

There's got to be something to that, it would be a cheap joke if not.

The obvious answer is that what's left of The Federation (i.e. Tammy) goes after Jerry to get his help to take out Rick once and for all.

>>94294787

He represents traditionalism rolling over to the current year

>>94294986
Cricket got what he deserved though.
>Establishes thirsty bitch has always made fun of him and made him do bad stuff.
>Had a stable career and a happy life.
>Fucking Big Bird comes out of the blue again and says she wants to fuck him.
>States that this is obviously another prank.
>Falls for it and burns all his bridges on the way out.
>Every single mistake made that spirals his life deeper into depression was brought about by his own actions.

With Jerry everything wrong in his life is because of Rick.

>How Much Can You Take?

>Before You Snap?

https://youtu.be/2fAgC-hq2OQ

>>94294196
>everyone wants summer porn
>all i want is sorrow wolf x jerry porn

>>94294196
If he took the bed where is beth sleeping?

>>94294196
You can tell a woman wrote this shit because it's a stupid dead end "joke" with no set-up or purpose.

Back in the older seasons Jerry was fun to laugh at because he did pitiful stuff. His penis transplant episode captured the cowardly way about him.
This situation was entirely rational and he did nothing wrong.
Beth is a mental case with daddy issues and Rick is a destructive force that shouldn't be around his family. The wind blowing loser wasn't funny. His shitty goodbye wasn't funny. It wasn't justice, or deserved in any way.
Dunno if they're swinging for a Meg here or what. But even Meg strikes a comedic cord because she is treated that way despite her nature. That daughters don't get treated that way is the joke.
Jerry's divorce isn't funny because it doesn't contradict reality, isn't deserved, doesn't reveal some understood but never mentioned truth of the world.
It's just upsetting.

>>94294787

I have to believe they're going to do something with him. They have to know they've made him the most sympathetic member of the family outside of maybe Morty at this point. They've also got to know that having a character that everyone roots for who just gets shit on all the time isn't satisfying. Not giving Jerry a payoff would just be unsatisfying shitty writing.

>Jerry puts his foot down against Rick
>show presents him as a loser
Why?

>>94294196
>Parasite episode hints Jerry might be secretly bisexual
>Well established Rick will fuck anything

I'm still convinced we're building up to him getting with Doofus Rick and their relationship helping him out of his funk.

>>94295409
>Not giving Jerry a payoff would just be unsatisfying shitty writing.

This is an ideal time to sock it to Beth by letting Jerry flourish without her. Jerry may be a loser, but he can do that on his own terms.

Beth needs someone to feel superior to, and she's not going to get that from anyone in the house: not Summer, not Morty, definitely not Rick... .

>>94295490
all this was already covered in the virtual reality episode.
Their relationship has been fixed a dozen times over but they just keep falling back on LOL FAILED MARRIAGE.

>>94295511
I wish it was more of a two steps forward one and a half steps back instead of just returning to the status quo all the time

>>94295511
That's kinda the problem. Their marriage isn't as bad as they like to joke about. The problems with Beth and Jerry are problems with Beth and Jerry individually, and not a function of their interpersonal dynamics which are usually healthy.

>>94294196
>Your going the wrong waaaaaaay...

>>94295398
Jerry in this episode isn't MEANT to be funny, except for maybe that "so that's what they are" quip at the end.
The goodbye scene was meant to be upsetting. Their dad leaving was played up as the main cause for actual emotional turmoil and character development for this episode, specifically to contrast the crazy fucking Mad Max world that was used for action and jokes.
Fuck, even RICK was shook enough by it to spend weeks modernizing a post apocalyptic wasteland society solely because going home was too awkward. The Jerry plot of this episode was meant to be taken seriously.

The "loooooser" bit was petty lame though. That scene was actually poignant as fuck before it. It was either a shit joke or the writers hammering in the "Jerry is a loser right now" point for dumbasses. Maybe both.

Is nobody else impressed that Rick created a breeze of air that can stalk, talk, and harass?

The money-stealing coyote wasn't that impressive compared to that but even it showed some great imagination.

>>94294196
>Toe-u-to
heh

>>94295163
>With Jerry everything wrong in his life is because of Rick.
Rick is the reason he's a spineless coward that cant get a job and hands his checks over to random dogs? Morty was right. if he really wanted it then he would have done something

>>94295398

Jerry is essentially a Jerry, like in Jerry from Parks and Recreation. He can't do anything right, but is good at heart and lovable. He probably would seem to be a pretty normal father and loved to a normal degree (but not respected) if Rick wasn't around, adding to the hostility.

>>94298754
>Jerry from Parks and Recreation

Shit, of course I mean Garry.

>>94298754
>be a pretty normal father
my dad never begged me for money. has yours?

>>94298772
His name was Larry, dammit.

>>94294872
>haha Trump is a loser xp

Wow, so much edge...

>>94297880
Literal redgrin grumble

>>94295451

This is what I don't understand. Since the very beginning, the show and the writers have been calling Jerry a loser and a doormat who's teetering on the edge of losing Beth, which is presented of course as a bad thing for him. Yet when he actually puts his foot down and refuses to deal with the deification of Rick, people still aren't satisfied and even Morty thinks he needs to "be a man." It's just really confusing.

>>94298963
instead of finding a middle ground for the family he decided to be a faggot and pulled the " Him or me" ultimatum on the family.

> Guy who begs for your money, locks you out of the car with a murderous hobo, cant even do a science project right
or
> guy who gives you the option to go on adventures with him

>>94294196
SHUT THE FUCK UP GHOST RICK!

>>94294232
kek

>>94299002

There is no middle ground with Rick.

>>94298963
Both him and Beth are horrible unhealthy people.
It's not just Jerry never stands up for himself, it's he both represents the antithesis of everything Rick is and a life she feels trapped in.
Rick's speech at the end shows how hard he played her and Beth. Rick is this amazing swashbuckling hero to them. Jerry standing against him obviously means he's the villain who's got to go.

>>94299111
Nor with Jerry it seems

>>94299166
its not like jerry contributes to the family

>>94299200

Jerry doesn't fuck up and abandon entire planets on a whim.

>>94299200
To be fair, neither does Rick.

>>94294889
>I don't feel sorry for Jerry
>knocks up his HS girlfriend
>does the right thing and sticks around and helps raise the kids
>were supposed to believe Jerry is a failure and a loser because Beth constantly berates him and blames her failures on him
Jerry did literally nothing wrong. His family is a bunch of cunts

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>Jerryfags exist and are on this thread RIGHT NOW

Mega for the episode?

>>94299301
Better than being a Beth or Rickfag

>>94299351
Not really, Jerry is quite literally the cuck's character.

>>94299002
>instead of finding a middle ground for the family he decided to be a faggot and pulled the " Him or me" ultimatum on the family.
But Rick hated him and wanted him gone. There is no middle ground.

>>94299301
When has Jerry ever been seriously morally wrong? He's a stupid doormat, but he generally does the right thing and seems like he'd be more successful without Beth and Rick (and his kids) berating him constantly.

So who's more special? The wild dog that feeds on suffering or the Jerry that can apparently talk to dogs?

And that post credit scene gives me a hunch that we'll see some kind of Jerry redemption. Maybe not redeemed to Beth or even to us but to himself, like we'll see him get a decent job and maybe even a date as the season goes on.

>>94299373
when he locked his wife out of the car to be killed by the hobo instead of warning her

When can we expect Jerry's redemption Arc?

>>94295645
The "LOOSSSERR" bit is some kind of creature stalking Jerry I think. I think we will see it again.

>>94299373
You are missing the point, Jerryfriend, R&M is a show about an asshole taking his grandson on wacky adventures with morally questionable methods and results. The whole point it's too laugh at how mean the character is, Jerry is pathetic and you /shouldn't/ feel bad about him, yet you do.

You are basically watching Happy Tree Friends and complaining that the little animals are dying.

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>Beth is so full of herself she doesn't notice her family had been replaced by robots.

>>94299373

Dan, Justin, and Chris explained Jerry very well here:

https://youtu.be/yUXZXRYVtvw?t=14m20s

>>94299445
>Jerry gets to see his kids every other week and didnt notice either

>>94299445

Or she's so unstable at that moment that she wanted it to be real so badly, that she just let herself believe that they were real. All because they were saying exactly what she wanted to hear, just as Rick made them do.

>>94299427
You know what, then I quit. This show won't go anywhere.

>>94299414
season 3 finale
My theory is that jerry will get a new girlfriend, who becomes the villain in some way or another (antagonist to rick etc.)

>>94299362
I think this mentality is the reason why people aren't okay with Jerry's current treatment in the show
A lot of people just see Jerry as a spineless cuck loser and that's why people don't like him
Jerry is supposed to be laughed at for doing stupid things like when he couldn't fix his golfing problem, not hated
A lot of people are forgetting that he is a loser made for laughs, not just a punching bag that everyone gets to shit all over

>>94299465

Wait a second, D&J did say Rick and Jerry were gonna go on an adventure together this season, just them 2. I'd suggest watching, or keeping an eye out for that episode to see if he does get some kind of redemption or something

>>94299465
see you next sunday anonymous

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>>94299465
>then I quit
oh nooo

>>94299416
>implying that wasn't just a terribly, stupid joke with no actual lead up or pay off

would have been fine without it

>>94299465
Why should it? R&M is at it's best when it's episodic, whenever they try anything that takes storytelling effort they either shit the bed or feels so out of place it's cringy to watch.

>>94299465
Of course it isn't going to go anywhere, it's an episodic show, if they're doing a serialized plot they're doing it slowly.

>>94299459
I got the feeling that the robots didn't bother to visit Jerry and it would be within Jerry's character to just accept that the kids didn't want to see him/Beth forbade them from seeing him/he lost visitation rights in the divorce case. Summer visiting him was probably a pleasant surprise.

>>94299544
>within Jerry's character to just accept that the kids didn't want to see him
So thats Jerrys choice to give up on them.

>>94299465
Speak for yourself. I >>94299373 am sticking around.

Really though, fuck the show's preferential treatment for Rick's stupid "nothing matters, everything sucks, fuck trying to make it suck less, I'm going to be selfish and make it suck more" mentality. Jerry's ideology is flawed, but at least he cares about his family and makes an effort. But you're supposed to laugh at him for caring/trying.

Harmon should stop using R&M to jerk his ego off, or at least read theory if he won't. It's intellectually boring, juvenile, and counter-productive.

Roiland has the better vision for the show.

>>94299584
Pretty much.

Don't forget that the robots were programmed by Rick to make Beth happy. There could have been a point where they politely declined seeing Jerry over spending time with Beth or if she told the robots not to see Jerry, they would have agreed whole-heartedly. Jerry is also at his lowest point in the whole series (getting bullied out of his dole money by a feral dog) so he might feel utterly defeated.

If he gets a redemption plot, I'd like to see him opt not to get back with Beth for his own reasons.

>>94298437
What could he have done? He already tried Marriage counseling, they've been through a lot of shit together, it just doesn't work, at least not at this current time. Beth is just going to keep choosing Rick until some breaking point. Just because Jerry wants it doesn't mean they just stick together, that's not how relationships work.

>>94295365
What the fuck is this supposed to mean

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>>94299465
>You know what, then I quit
See you later, Jerry.

>>94298437
>Rick is the reason he's a spineless coward that cant get a job and hands his checks over to random dogs?
Except every time something goes wrong in Jerry's life it's because he tries to stand up to Rick in some way.

>>94299276
>loses his job because he's an idiot
>asks to borrow money from his teenage daughter
>has cultivated a self-image of patheticness and idiocy that leads his family to not rely on him
Jerry is literally that Dragonite dad meme that was big way back in the day. He wants to be the de facto male figure in the house but he's too much of a punk. He's had some good moments to be badass but they are outweighed by how much he wimps out. There's a reason no one watching feels bad when they're shit to jerry.

>>94299674
Wait for another 3 years for season 4

Or hopefully wait until Harmon's fired

>>94298437
I mean to be fair, I'm pretty sure it IS Rick's fault at this point.

>>94294196
God, Summer is so obnoxiously pretentious in this episode, and I hate how unnecessarily mean this show is to Jerry.

I don't even relate to him nor is he my favorite character, but this season is off to a bad start and will ruin itself if it continues with this shit.

>>94299761
keep fighting. The one universe where he did that he is still with her

>>94294787

You aren't supposed to hate Jerry. You're supposed to realize that he's a whipping boy and some of his issues are self inflicted, but not hate him.

>>94300340
I'm gonna stick through season 3 and hope the writers criticize the nihilism shit and stop living vicariously through Rick, and not come back for season 4 if they don't.

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>>94294196

>>94300527
>Hope the writers stop doing what made the show great
ok then

>>94300560
wow, peoples names

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This show isn't funny.

>>94300622
and yet people watch it anyway. what gives?

>>94300570
>High school understanding of Nihilism and increasingly edgy antics are what made the show great
This is why you shouldn't be allowed near a pen or pencil Harmon.

>the last remnants of the council of rick teams up with the evil league of jerrys.

Yes.

>>94300642
>>94300622
>>94300648
People like you are literally the most annoying type. You bitch about how something you like sucks, (usually once it gets popular) but you're still here. what is the point of keeping up with a show you hate? You just want to give the illusion that you're better than people because you hate this popular show for its "casualization". What's an example of a good show then?

>>94301065
Good shows are all the ones I like and Tumblr hates

>>94300622
When did people get so self important that they literally started thinking "I don't think it's funny" means "it's universally unfunny, and I'm right and my opinions and only the people that agree with me on this are right", anyway?

>>94300595
Not people, anon. Women.

>>94301065
>Boo hoo! Why won't you just let us have our safe spaces to circle jerk this Cartoon you big meanies! BAAAAAWWWW
Contrary to what you believe, I actually did like the show and do still hold hopes for it to get better. That's why it's so frustrating when they stupid and lame shit. It has the potential and capabilities to be better than that, but refuses to utilize that.

The problem is, nu4chan identifies way too much with Jerry.

>>94299344
https://mega.nz/#!cPhwBCSD!AO-bHZxKA8XslRjcIWmOmcFKSxdTNS0eLXwhOpooncU

>>94301666
welcome to idiots.

Harmon is a bad writer

Does anyone have the episode yet

>>94294196
>Don't Look Back.

That would have actually been a nice way to write Jerry out of the show.

>>94302183
The episode wasn't even written by Harmon.

>>94302260
but it was screened and approved by him. writers dont have free reign

>>94302193

Adult Swim has it, no wall or anything.

>>94302277
nope it doesnt work for me on the adult swim website sadly, content is blocked.

Hello?

>>94301904
>>94302193
>>94302312

>>94299362
no that would be Jerry's dad

>>94302376
Hello my friend

>>94301666
satan you know damn well that people have always been that way

Now that this show sucks is there any others to keep an eye out for?

>>94295409

Nah.

R&M is themed around cynicism and nihilism. The nice guy always finishes last. Jerry is that nice guy and he will always suffer and fail because the universe is indifferent to "nice" and there's no such thing as karma. They'll only shit on him MORE to prove their point moving forward.

>Nihilism means nothing matters, man
>I read Nietzsche once in college bro and it totally changed my life
>Nothing matters bro just give up and do whatever, morality is a lie anyway

So has anyone in this thread actually read Nietzsche or know anything about nihilism or is this just a Dan Harmon fest?

>>94295100
Ew Youtube Poop

filtered

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>>94301904
Thanks, fampai

>>94303101

I have something special for you!

>>94294986
I thought that's what Joshua from Clarence was

>>94303365
and what may that be?

>>94303333
Is that really what the Rick and Morty's about, though? People act like Rick is some kind of mouthpiece for the show, but I feel like he's just the most willing to act like he knows what he's doing. All of the characters are fumbling around for meaning in their lives, but none of them really have it "figured out."

>>94303454

A book.

>>94303475
>People act like Rick is some kind of mouthpiece for the show

The entire dynamic of the show is centered around Rick. He is absolutely the mouthpiece of the show.

>>94303475

The show is incredibky nihilistic, really.

You aren't special. There are trillions of others who are just like you in every way. You don't stand out. You're a statistic, at best. Nothing matters, everyone's gonna die.

So go watch some TV.

>>94295451
he didn't put his foot down he gave Beth an ultimatum and that was it
Morty said it himself, Jerry spent the days moving out puttering around silently hoping it would all go back to normal but didnt fight for what he wanted or really try to move on
Jerry wants but isnt trying

>>94303479
A book? Did you write it?

>>94303572

No, its by Jonathan Swift.

>>94303593
I see. Please do share

>>94303520
If the show approves of Rick and his attitude, then why is he so clearly miserable?

>>94299996
>hungry for apples

this was an idea he had, all by himself, that Rick did not have any input on, and it got him fired, where he then proceeded to be a useless sack of shit and actively NOT look for a job, then resort to asking his teenage daughter for money

>>94303609

Its called A Modest Proposal.

>>94299416
I like to think it and the wolf were nature itself telling Jerry that he sucks

>>94299416
I thought it was Rick fucking around with Jerry by stalking him and doing that shit

>>94303658
I shall read it. Thank you

>>94303670

Nature and the very fabric of existence telling him he sucks is much more appropriate.

>>94303724
Fuck off Bozo

>>94303791

Uh, do I still say "Yes sir" if he misspelled my name?

>>94303545
>I read "The Stranger" once and think I know Nihilism: The Post
This is why no one ever takes anything you have to say seriously Boco.

>>94303658
So you like to read books as well?

>>94303895
He didn't misspell. He's calling you a bozo. Becuase you are one.

>>94303972

Yes sir...

>>94303975

Some. Mainly Lovecraft and books about cryptozoology.

>>94304016

Oh. Yes sir...

>Jerry is a better person than literally everyone on the show
I know this was intentional but I feel like not a lot of people get it.

>>94304066
Maybe you can recommend me some books

>>94294787
Its not a matter of hating him as much as not liking him.

Nobody is default supposed to be likeable, because even "correct" characters are assholes.

Also they let his VA do most of the writing for him.

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>>94295409
>Not giving Jerry a payoff would just be unsatisfying shitty writing.

What show do you think you're watching?

>>94304135

About?

I like Jerry and hope he ends up happy.

Summer and Beth are morons for looking up to Rick the way that they do. At least Morty can see through his shit.

>>94303644
>then resort to asking his teenage daughter for money

nobody complains when Hal asked Francis for money for paint
family is suppose to give support in crisis moments, and when jerry had a job and was successful it was wrong because all the family was unhappy for no apparent reason

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>>94303644
>>94304264

>>94303644
Only because he was ran through a simulation because of Rick which made him believe it would be a hit.

>>94304187
Why don't we start with horror? :)

>>94304264
>nobody complains when Hal asked Francis for money for paint
I have no idea who the fuck that is, but the point was Jerry wasn't using the money to benefit the family. He wasn't broke because he was putting in a pool or something, he was broke because he spent all the family's fucking money on a 1-800-Imaginary-Friend hotline for no-life losers who're too lazy or cowardly to make a real human connection.

So of course the ball-gargling ultrafags on /co/ would identify with him.

>>94304310

Lovecraft. Lotsa Lovecraft.

>>94304340
Lovecraft is an awful writer.

>>94304367
This anon speaks the tru-tru. Everyone thinks he's hot shit because he uses a fuckton of adjectives and makes up vowel-less names. Lovecraft's writing ability sucks.

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>>94304333

Newsflash: nobody on this show is likable

>Morty is a complete beta, rarely makes good decisions, often defies his understanding of a situation just to be selfish
>Rick is an obnoxious know-it-all loathsome miserable old faggot and what happens when you don't develop intellectually after age 15
>Summer is admittedly level-headed and I would like to plow her but she idolizes Rick which makes her a fucking retard
>Beth is self-absorbed, never satisfied, manic depressive, generally dimwitted, disloyal and the biggest stereotype ever
>Jerry is a complete failure in every possible way, 50% genuine stupidity and 50% the writers want him to be their Meg

>>94304367
>>94304401

Neat ideas and concepts, though.

>>94304468
For turn of the century protestant white people, yes.

The concept of "the universe is an uncaring void populated by the unknowable" is blase in our post-Enlightenment cesspit.

>>94304592
>"the universe is an uncaring void populated by the unknowable"
If you think that's all there is to Lovecraft, you haven't read much Lovecraft.

>>94304887
I've read everything Lovecraft has written. What have I missed?

>>94304932
You apparently didn't read very carefully, because there's way more than "wow, so unknowable" going on. Hell, the Shadow Over Innsmouth is easily one of his most famous works, and its less about the deep ones and more about urban decay and the fear of being an outsider in an alien land. The Colour Out of Space has a creature (?) that's plenty creepy regardless of whether it came from space or not. And the Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath is an adventure story that's basically the opposite of "the universe is an uncaring void populated by the unknowable."

>>94300224
People feel bad when the family shits on Jerry because he's one of the few selfless and good characters in the show. He wants to do the right thing, but the universe and the writers keep deifying Rick and portray him as always right in most episode. It's rather telling that he tries to survive in spite of all his failures, while Rick attempts to commit suicide in one episode because Unity won't allow him to escape from reality.

>>94305160
>You apparently didn't read very carefully
Given the high school book report that follows this post, I'm fairly certain I read more carefully than you did.

>Shadow Over Innsmouth
The Deep Ones were the core of the story, anon. They were expressions of Lovecraft's fear of impure white people. Note that in "The Call of Cthulhu" he equates the influence of the eponymous god with savages. Racial decay was equivalent to spiritual decay - "urban decay" doesn't play into it one bit.

>The Colour Out of Space
Literally features an uncaring, unknowable monster from beyond Earth that tries to suck the life out of a farmland. The context and imagery here couldn't be more clear; the universe preys on life like anything else, and mankind is merely prey.

>Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath
Is set in a LITERAL DREAM WORLD. The godly order and purity which makes Kadath the narrator's go-to is defined by the fact that it isn't real. The story is about ignoring the inevitable death of mankind and retreating into reveries, unsubtly portrayed as religious figures of various denominations.

So yes, anon. The majority of Lovecraft's work is about, apart from hilarious racism, an uncaring, unknowable universe.

>>94301849
This is retarded

>>94298787
Yeah...

>>94298787
More than I'd care to admit.

>>94305474
That being an often-present subtext in his works isn't the same as that being all there is to them. Remember, the assertion you're disputing is "neat ideas and concepts."

Sure, Lovercraft's writing of the Shadow Over Innsmouth was informed by his racism, but it still preys on the fear of being an outsider without it. Again, the Colour Out of Space is a compelling monster *without* being from space. And while I disagree with your interpretation of the Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath, in what way is it an idea that only resonates with "turn of the century white people"?

That's not even considering his older stuff. How does the Rats in the Walls fit your narrative? The Outsider? Herbert West: Reanimator?

>>94294196
Haha, fuck men, am i right?

>>94294196
Why are threads about Rick and Morty so autistic and cancerous?

>>94299449
"female nerd"

INTO THE TRASH IT GOES.

>>94299789
Read the other thread./tv/ crossposting has gone too far.

>>94305856
No, just Jerry because he never truly grows a pair. Sometimes he shows promise, but nothing ever sticks.

>>94300441
Summer is suposed to be a pretentious cunt in this episode. She sounds like an angsty teenage girl with daddy issues because she IS an angsty teenage girl with daddy issues, who uses Rick's adventures as a way to excuse that. She adopts Rick's philosophy without realizing that Rick has that mentality because he views himself as a worthless piece of shit same as everything else in existence.

>>94301089
Like Teen Titans Go?

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>>94300622
And? I still watch it. Bojack isn't funny but I still watch it. Plenty of episodes of KotH aren't funny but I still watch them. I don't measure show quality by The number of jokes like some shitty Family Guy shill

Will Jerry get any substantial character development this season, or will he keep being a punching bag?

>>94306574
I'd really love to believe that Jerry will actually move on and become happy and successful. He deserves better than Beth.

>>94305830
>but it still preys on the fear of being an outsider without it.

It preys on the fear of being a normal person AMONGST outsiders, anon. The narrator was an outcast only in the sense that he was normal.

>the Colour Out of Space is a compelling monster *without* being from space
And how does that disqualify it from being part of an ultimately unknowable and uncaring universe?

>And while I disagree with your interpretation of the Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath
I'm curious as to what your interpretation is, given you can't seem to comprehend some pretty basic realities about Lovecraft's text.

>in what way is it an idea that only resonates with "turn of the century white people"?
Because the turn of the century was considered the highlight of the human experience and the height of culture. Specifically white, Anglo-Saxon culture. Lovecraft was edgy in the sense that he questioned a rational universe and the importance of humans within it.

This is Lit 101 stuff, friendo.

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>>94294232
Pissy lapisfag

>>94302275
>>94302260
>>94302183
it was written by two women hired based on their gender instead of their merit.

>Jerry's been shown to eventually overcome diversity shown in the Cronenberg episode when no where becomes safe aside from with his family
>With no council of Ricks to pay the bills every Jerry left at the Jerry daycare is thrust into an alien world with only themselves to help each other
League of Jerrys and Evil Morty team up when

>>94306574
Every bit of Character development he got in the first 2 season was forgotten by the next episode because the writers were so uninspired that they couldn't come up with scenarios and jokes unless the characters stayed the exact same. Maybe the new writing team will learn from their predecessors, but looking at how the most recent episode was yet another movie parody, I highly doubt that.

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I'm really conflicted about Jerry.

He's not willing to fight for what he wants, but at the same time he's not capable.
He just wants a better life, but his immediate surroundings are made up of people superior to him.
His only "fault" is being stupid, and generally an "inferior" human being, but none of his desires are unreasonable, he's just forced to live alongside people who are way above his paygrade.
The show makes me feel like things are his fault, but at the same time not. He's a victim of circumstances, and he could be so happy if he just happened to live in an environment where everyone was more down to his par.
I don't want to feel anger at him since he has done nothing to deserve it, yet I can't avoid feeling like he's a hindrance due to his incompetence.

Is Jerry the deepest R&M character?

>>94307884
>R&M character
I don't know what that is, but I agree with the rest of the post. I want to root for Jerry, but he simultaneously makes me want him to disappear because he can't stop fucking up. It's like the writers won't let him have his moment of clarity

>>94307884
Dunno man.
His wife is a shitty incompetent mother and crappy awful selfish person, who wouldnt give a shit if her children were ran over by a car.
Rick is a dangerous mentally unstable psychopath who will kill anybody for fun at a whim, letting him near children is a reason alone she should lose her parenting rights, bets thing that could happen to this family is him getting a stroke.

Morty seem now to not give a shitty about Jerry, and seem to be happy hes gone.
Summer is complete twat, seems to hate her father too.

Overall im quite surprised the entire family managed to reach new levels of low in this season, i guess leftists logic of nihilism really cant lead anywhere productive.
I actually hate everybody in this show now, Jerry is really fucked with those people around.

It took Simpsons many season to reach this point, but we barely started Season 3 here and already none of those characters have any redeemable features.

>>94308875
>It's like the writers won't let him have his moment of clarity
Well, he doesn't really...deserve isn't the right word, but you get what I mean.
I guess Jerry is our reminder that some people just aren't made for success or happiness.
Not because of a particular personal failing, but they were just shaped by their surroundings to fail, and they will be trash forever because of it.
A being you can't really pity, but that at the same time you know you can't root for.
I think many on here could empathize with the concept, if not Jerry.

>>94308915
Jerry would still be a subpar human being in a normal family.
He's someone who needs to be with his kind, but he was forced to live amongst the polar opposite.
It's like taking a novice in squash and pitting him against the world champion.

>>94308961
>Jerry would still be a subpar human being in a normal family.
I disagree.
Jerry probably more closely resembles an ordinary person than any of them. That's it. Ordinary. Not particularly special one way or the other, and because he's constantly thrust into extra-ordinary circumstances, he's fucked six ways to Sunday right out of the gate.

>>94309111
>That's it. Ordinary. Not particularly special one way or the other
I know that it's literally supposed to mean normal, but it still sounds depressing.
But still, he's a cowardly human being, with entitlement issues and a constant need for "structure" to hold him up where he can't do that on his own.
He's not subhuman, but I still wouldn't call him a 'good person' even in ordinary circumstances.

In a normal family, he'd be the absent dad who always goes bowling/to the pub.

>>94308961
>Jerry would still be a subpar human being in a normal family.
Oh fuck off.
What you expect of him?
While the writers are now trying t make him into the biggest loser, before that he was just a generic guy.
Lets get real here, if there was a single "normal normal" person in this family Rick would not live past few episodes. He would get killed on the spot by an uncle, or a manly father. Plot armor is all thats keeping that psychopath alive.

I mean all of them are fucking losers. Look at Morty, look at Rick, hes getting plot armored out of jail and consequences of his actions every fucking episode.

The only thing keeping Jerry down is the female writers.

Why does it seem that the people who don't like Jerry despise Jerry?

He's the lame normie forced to deal with over the top situations, and we're supposed to get a giggle from that. Yes he does bad things but it's not like every other character isn't equally horribly or worse, that's the comedy. Liking him or being indifferent is one thing, but the people who hate him are always going on about how PATHETIC and INFERIOR he is, like this a damn dog show or something. He's a normal guy next to a fucking super scientist. Like people, calm down.

>>94309281
The problem is not that he's just normal.
He's cowardly, deadbeat, spineless, downbeat, contrarian, jealous, and underachieving.
He's not just a normie, he's the normie who actively rejects change, whose reaction to witnessing something superior is disparaging it, the one who looks at the grapes and declares them to be the sourest.

Yes, a normal person would have problems with Rick.
But Jerry's own brand of whining is not just "normal", it's characteristic of a mentally weak person. The proto-loser.

>>94309373
>He's cowardly, deadbeat, spineless, downbeat, contrarian, jealous, and underachieving.
So, a fucking normalfag then?

>>94309395
>muh normies are inferior to my superior NEET genes
Fuck off
You can be a normal person and not be a subhuman

>>94299416
>>94303670
sometimes rick acts like mr. pickles

>>94309373
>He's cowardly, deadbeat, spineless, downbeat, contrarian, jealous, and underachieving.
And yet hes put next to an alcoholic, mentally unstable, amoral serial killer. homeless, genocidal nutjob who will kill and torture his won grandchildren for his own enjoyment.

Sorry man, but Rick makes Jerry seem like the pinnacle of social status.
I refuse to believe people shit on Jerry unironically.

>>94309373
All those traits are just normal people problems. Those traits are amplified because they lead to comedic reactions, and it shows how a person who's not into the adventures and is trying to be normal could react.

And the gut reaction is just what you're showing, that he's this literal worm-beast. I get it, the show shits on him too, but I don't see why his whining should be that infuriating.

>>94299416
>The "LOOSSSERR" bit is some kind of creature stalking Jerry I think. I think we will see it again.
Yeah,the creature is the female writer of that episode.
And ugly fat feminist that hates men, and wants women to be single mothers.

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>>94294232
>relating the entire show to a character you hate when they didn't even bring it up

>>94309542
Not him but I think it's just Rick fucking with him but you're probably right.

>>94309435
It's always subhumans and ubermensches with you people, isn't it?

>>94309508
>Those traits are amplified because they lead to comedic reactions
I still feel like that's not enough to make Jerry's whole being justifiable as just "it's how normal people act"
He's not just "normal", he's a particularly spineless normal person.
He doesn't have the normal healthy fear of change that humanity is bound to have, he actively rejects it like a baby boomer faced with a smartphone.
Only that everything in reality is a smartphone to him, outside of an effortless white-house-and-picket-fence life that requires zero input from him.

>>94309373
>He's cowardly, deadbeat, spineless, downbeat, contrarian, jealous, and underachieving.
Are you projecting by any chance?
Married, with his own house and children, he succeeded.
Its not his fault his life got wrecked by some fucked up family member thats enabled by his fucked up wife. Rick will ruin anything he touches, hes fucking pure evil, only hope Jerry has is killing Rick.

>>94309695
>Married, with his own house and children, he succeeded.
He impregnated an insecure teenage girl on prom night who was then forced to marry him and abandon her dreams.
He then transitioned into an advertising job that he's shown to be really bad at.
He's hardly the successful alpha male you're trying to paint him as.

>>94309759
>who was then forced to marry him and abandon her dreams.
Sauce. I don't recall anything about anyone being forced. Jerry and Beth both could have just as easily not married. In fact Jerry could have just dumped her right there and moved on.

>>94302212
I hope this is just set up for Jerry turning down the opportunity to get back with Beth and go his own way

>>94309373
Crazy that Jerry acts like a normal person and gets shit on by all the special snowflakes.

>>94309824
Yes, spineless Jerry, the man who can be dragged along by a slight breeze, running away from a single mother.
And Beth, a traditional woman whose aspiration was an ordinary, accomplished life, deciding to be a single mother.

They were both trapped by their own personalities.
Jerry didn't "force" her himself, but calling the marriage a success on his part is just dishonest.

>>94300595
>women
>people

>>94294875
the writers are too cruel to him though, yeah i feel sorry for the guy, but when shit keeps happening to him i just start to hate the writers

>>94309866

He reminds everyone of how they would act in a similar situation.
He is normal, and at the same time pathetic.
He reminds people of all the ways they would waste opportunities even if they came to slap them in the face repeatedly, all because they're too cowardly to abandon the status quo.
And that's why they hate him.
Because they're pathetic.

Just like Jerry.

>>94309759
Most people arent a successful alphas.
I dont really remember that young Jerry backstory, and i remember nothing about her being forced into marriage, but in the end he succeeded in creating a family unit.
His wife seems like a bitch with commitment problems.
Move your fucking ass you whore, get a hobby, stop living day to day.

>>94309186

I don't think you know what plot armor means.

>>94309892
This season is really off to a bad start I thought first episode was bad, but this one is just pissing in my face.

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I may not watch the show, but these threads discussing Jerry always have been pretty interesting to read

>>94309992

I just wish the discussion was less hostile.
Discussing Jerry can be really interesting and a mirror into the personality of the person discussing him, but it degenerates pretty quickly into "FUCK YOU I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG"

>>94294232
to be fair that's a BG design thing, and SU's bg designs are pretty consistent

>>94309992
The show jumped the shark just 3 seasons in, i dont think there is a reason to pick it up now.
If you do, stick to the first season.
I expect the hate threads will only increase witch each episode, words cant describe how awful the new writing staff is. Firing all old writers over a silly union argument was a mistake.

>>94309935
note that the first ep of the season was written as the season 2 finale

>>94310147
The old writers weren't much better though, in season 2 they flanderized the characters and wouldn't let any of them have any development that lasted beyond an episode.

>>94310152
Jesus, really?
Why was it so fucking bad?
Was it since they wanted to wrap it up in one episode and now that it was pushed into a new season it feels half assed?
Also why then the new writers are credited for that episode, i guess it was only "planned" with no specifics.

>>94310196
Agree, Season 1 was just much better, im not sure whats the reason.
Still season 2 was nothing compared to the train wreck this one is off to.
Do they want us to hate every person in this show with a passion or whats the deal?

>>94295365
Yep

>>94310243
Were you really expecting anything more than a quick wrap up to a supposedly 'major' problem in Rick and Morty?

>>94310402
>Expecting Writers to not be pants on head retarded and at least attempt to resolve story arcs and events in a satisfying manner
Is it supposed to reflect badly on me that I would say yes?

>>94310466
Yes it does.
If you want stories go read a book you fucking nerd.

>>94304170
What? Parnell writes his own lines?

>>94309395
No he means you neetling

>>94310044
That's always been 4chan, and to an extent, the internet in general. this place has always been crammed full of unwarranted hostility.

This thread is actually pretty civil by comparison. It hasn't devolved into politic ranting yet.

>>94310466
Pretty much since the writers already established from the start that this bus doesn't have those stops. You should have gotten off a long time ago

Just watched the second episode of the third season...fuck, it was very disappointing.
The feel was like when the simpson started to try make Lisa more relevant.
If this continues Rick and Morty are fucked.

>>94310281
Season 2 is puede dan Harmon, he killed the series.

>>94301904

Thanks for ep 2, you wouldn't happen to have ep 1 too?

>>94306114
people take it personal I guess, which is fucking retarded considering that its fucking fiction and its a fucking cartoon.

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>>94300560
Setting aside that this is blantant shitposting because >female writers, I'm legitmately dreading the Avengers parody episode. I don't know why that premise sits so bad with me but it does.

>>94315929
Because it's yet another shitty Movie parody that doesn't even offer any particularly funny ideas or additions to the premise, and it's Capeshit to boot.

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>>94317316
The movie parodies are easily the worst episodes of the series.
I could forgive all the shitty movie parodies if they would just do a single giant robot episode.

Anyone have 1080p megas for the first two eps?

>>94309892
> the writers are good enough to make you care about a character to the point you get fucking upset when he isn't treated in a manner you find appropriate even though you have no horse in this race
Sounds like some pretty fucking good writers

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>>94298930

>>94303297
I'm pretty sure Harmon did an interview where despite Rick's "nothing matters" philosophy, nihilism just doesn't work, and that Jerry's line of thinking is superior.

>>94294787
>Jerry is a character the writers expect you to hate, despite having so many episodes showing he's not worth hating

I imagine Jerry seems nice on the show but actually living with him day-to-day would be fucking awful.

>>94295163
But Cricket is like a modern day Aladdin now.... If Aladdin were a burn victim addicted to PCP.

>>94295398
>Dunno if they're swinging for a Meg here or what.

I get the feeling that since he got attacked by a wolf that is nourished by his suffering and the "loser" wind is following him around, he's probably being stalked by some kind misery demon or some shit that Rick and Morty will eventually end up stopping for him.

>>94319475
>he's probably being stalked by some kind misery demon or some shit that Rick and Morty will eventually end up stopping for him.

More like Rick will grab when it's finally gotten fat enough off Jerry's suffering so he can harvest it for some science doodad.

>>94317316
>yet another shitty movie parody

But two of the best episodes are movie parodies.

>>94306453
>Bojack isn't funny but I still watch it. Plenty of episodes of KotH aren't funny
What the fuck

>>94318123
Uh no, it's entirely possible our sympathizing with Jerry is despite the writers, not because of it, and that they will push the audience too far with this shit.

>>94304432
>Newsflash: nobody on this show is likable
Positive or negative character traits aren't a sign if someone is likable or not. A character can be a complete ass but widely liked

>>94300560
>cunt writers
Dead show

>>94321150
>assblasted manchildren
Show of the year

>>94320577
The writers are the reason Jerry exists and they're so good at making a pathetic character for you to self insert as that you feel for him. Give credit where credit is due

jerry is a pussy bitch. remember the episode where they go to therapy and he returns to save his wife

the jacked jerry that coems out of the thing isn't the true jerry. it's the self-congratulatory one that makes everyone roll their eyes. if you identify with jerry you're /r9k/ or /pol/ or some sort of KHV MRA schoolshooter

>>94298437
Jerry did have a job, and now it's rick's fault he doesn't.

>>94299416
Or we hear it from Jerry's depressed perspective so he hears LOOOOSERRRRR even though it's just wind.

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>>94321283
>jerry is a pussy bitch.

This is the face of an Awakened Jerry

>>94321283
>it's the self-congratulatory one that makes everyone roll their eyes
It's Beth's idealized Jerry actually. Were you not paying attention to the episode?

I'm kinda glad they're sticking with the divorce thing and seem to be planning to show how it's good for all parties. In any case it's infinitely better than trying to fix their marriage for the twelfth time.

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>>94321594
AWAKEN MY MASTERS

>>94294196
But he isn't, he's the only character who makes any sense

Poor Jerry.

>>94299465
>I quit
ill miss u bby

>>94321943
Sense in that his son,daughter,father in law, and wife provide more for the family?

>>94295100
I think the divorce subplot is just Dan Harmon venting about his divorce. Jerry is probably gonna end up better off by the end of the season, then things will go back to status quo with him and beth.

People need to stop with the Rick and Morty pandering to reddit/advocating nihlism thing.

The show shat the bed when they want us to care or don't care about characters that have largely just been backdrops, that have just existed to present us with "something to go away from".

Rick and Morty is best when its just an adventure. Suddenly asking us to care about a divorce or how Morty feels or what Summer is going through, is just sloppy and bad writing. Its not interesting because there is no connect there. You can't treat characters like paper cut outs for two seasons and suddenly we are supposed to be emotional invested in Beth, Summer and Jerry and even Rick and Morty to a smaller extent.

That is what makes these new episodes so bad, its a navel gazing turn instead of being about sci-fi adventure action comedy.

Going to exciting planets is exchange with how "Summer deals with her parents divorce" or "Morty doesn't think his dad is being a man". Yeah. No.

>>94300560
I can't forgive women writers after what they did to Dexter

>>94299465
he's right, you know

>>94308961
C137 Jerry became an alpha.

>>94299761

> Keep choosing Rick until some breaking point

If her whole family being seen as galactic criminals + having to live on a tiny planet for the rest of their lives for the sake of her father isn't a breaking point then I don't know what is.

>>94305354
he's actually very selfish and constantly throws his family under the bus to stroke his ego. usually he does this by using strangers on the premise that he's a good guy/family man just following the rules.

he's just as big piece of shit as everyone else

>>94321617

beth's idealized jerry is the jacked one. the true jerry is the jerry clones that shake each other's hands when jerry shows the fake confidence

>>94295645

It reminded me of basically the same joke in Mighty Boosh, except there it was a throwaway gag that had context and actual fucking humour in it

I hope the rest of this season isn't this lame

>>94321253
>The writers are the reason Jerry exists

And the reaction to Jerry may very well run contrary to their creative intent

>>94321253
>Give credit where credit is due

I will when the writers have established that they have a handle on this. Right now, they haven't.

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>>94313383
Yep. Here:
https://mega.nz/#!leZTHTxR!DNaZSJJoQB-BHmlRgnMi4aH_7H-Gvajdso_dkUD2S2M

>>94300560
So is "female writers" going to become the next "Reddit and Memey?"

>>94304432
>summer
>level headed
She knowingly worked for the devil giving cursed items to people just because he was nice to her. She's a fucking idiot.

>>94321253
>marvel's really good at making anti-heroes, scott wasn't meant to be a villain or anything
>yes he was
>well you like him as he is now anyway so give the writers some credit ^: )

>>94299465
I like Jerry too but the show was never about going anywhere or developing characters. You as well as the reddit crowd are the ones who want progress towards something. The premise exists soley for wacky autistic jokes. People who think the show is smart, philosophical or feelsy have missed the fucking point and are basically retarded.

Fuck Dan Harmon and fuck normalfags. This was supposed to be Justin's creativity finally getting green lit. Instead what we get is community 2 & tubmlr (given all the awful female writers they've hired). Before anyone arcs up at this, check their background. Not a single one has worked on anything good. The one with the most experience worked on annoying orange and shit. The second helped out at simpsons but wasn't even really a writer. The third one is a LGBTQI+ comedian.
I mean fucking hell lads. Do you really think that was a good call.
Again, fuck Harmon.

Have you guys read the comics? He's so pathetic in them I can bring myself to feel sorry for him in the cartoon.

>>94322650
Can't*

>>94322518

>And the reaction to Jerry may very well run contrary to their creative intent
Yet his character and your reaction to him has stayed the same for coming on 3 seasons.

>>94300560
Well the second ep was better than the first one.

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>>94322671
You don't know me.