/swco/ - Star Wars Comics & Cartoons

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What is she, /swco/?

Describe Star Wars in a single word.

>>94282113
So what happened to Snoke's face?

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>>94282146
Gay

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A design that has parallels with the original, but still with it's own unique shapes and features, vs 'literally just a TIE Fighter reskin, nothing's different at all'

>>94282181
>fell for /tv/ bait
>drags old arguments into a new thread
Stop

>>94282146
For12yearolds

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>>94282146
P O T T E R Y
they rhyme

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Post Rey's

>>94282181
You can't improve perfection

>>94282181
>a tie fighter with minimal changes is worse than a tie fighter, a ship made for disposable soldiers, existing before the empire

Someone link me a pro-PT YouTube video with over 7 million views?
5 million?
1?

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>>94282188
>Activate it

>>94282146
Mediocre

>>94282146
midi-chlorians

>>94282139
A Ayyyy Lmao with decent tits.

>>94282235
PT-bashers might just be the loudest voice in the room, rather than the most widely-held belief.
For comparison, the preponderance of YT videos saying TFA is crypto-propaganda for white genocide or some similar ridiculous shit, doesn't mean it's the most commonplace belief.

>>94282113
What the fuck, is Snoke part tree or something?
The way everything below the chin looks makes him looked like a half-formed "The Thing" infected person.

>>94282304
It's the body of Gaillus Rax with a force ghost in it

>>94282235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoJgY4EX-Xg

This only has 500,000 views but it's by a very popular YouTuber.

And it's also not 100% positive to the prequels but it's a lot more fair than most people on YouTube.

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>>94282304
First thing I saw when I saw his neck was 'tree' as well.
Oddly enough the 'normal' side of his face looks creepily like my grandfather.

>>94282364
holy fuck, it's John McCain

>>94282364
I think I'd prefer the right-side "all deformed" face to what we got.

>>94282146
Mistake

>>94282388
> literally palpatine

>>94282235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KSbwAJT8RE

It's hard because there are many videos of people giving them praise but also bashing on it more at the same time. It's like they do it on purpose so the viewers don't think that the op actually likes or enjoys them. Then again they need to make money so they're obviously going to go with meme opinions.

>>94282303
If they weren't so well liked, why do anti-PT videos have more views and likes?

>>94282427
Well he is already halfway there

>>94282427
>one old guy has wrinkles therefore any old guy that comes after him is just a rip off

>>94282146
Profitable.

>>94282449
That guy is terrible.
Have you seen his Everything Great about BvS?
It's terrible

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>>94282181
WELL MAYBE YOU'D LIKE IT TO BE THE PREQUELS AGAIN YOU ENTITLED SHITLORD

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>>94282427
'The attempt on my life has left me scarred, and deformed. But my resolve has never been stronger'.

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>>94282334
The Phantom Menace is comfy as fuck. AOTC is the worst with some good stuff in it like Obi-Wan's fight with Jango and the Geonosis battle. ROTS is great, but also filled with lots of silly shit and unbearable romance scenes. And a GOAT soundtrack.

>>94282453
>>94282463
>>94282507
giant guy with twisty spine and long deviantart crystal fingers is a lot more interesting than "ugly face 2"

>>94282188
no

PLEASE NO

>>94282113
Tilda Swinton?

>>94282450
Lots of dumb shit has fucktons of views on Youtube.

Here's a shitty fucking FNAF Source Filmmaker video with 90 million: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5tK1iwoDyg

Here's shitty Indian flash animations to shitty nursery rhymes with a LITERAL BILLION views: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHSFpGBFGHY

>>94282540
>The Phantom Menace is comfy as fuck

Agreed. I don't even like it that much but it makes me feel super nice every time I think about it. That might have to do with the fact that it came out when I was 10 so I have pleasant childhood memories of it.

>>94282450
Well what makes YouTube the best indicator compared to dvd sales or any of these other indices? YT creators often recycle profitable or successful ideas, concepts, and content for reliable ad-revenue and views.
I'm not saying it's a terrible indicator per se, just tht it has a very clear set of biases and problems built in to its format.

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>>94282580
You cannot stop what has been set in motion.

>>94282450
You're talking about a website where videos of people opening chocolate eggs have 100 million views.

this the new thread??

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>>94282386
lol

Man with terminal illness votes not to scrap healthcare
>It's ironic... He could save others from death, but not himself.

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What is she /swco/?

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>>94282113
Concept art was better.

>>94282736
>>94282139
Cute meme waifus.

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>>94282550
>giant guy with twisty spine
Are they actually going to show it this time or just completely hide it?

>>94282739
It's pretty much the same thing, though. Even down to the gold robes.

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>>94282224
>You can't improve perfecti-

>>94282788
Concept looked like an enigmatic alien, final version looks like a really old man with a skin condition.

>>94282771
That time Hux and Kylo skyped the Supreme Leader to ask him about something and he came on totally nude.
>Oh, supreme leader, I didn't realise this was a bad time-
>No, I'm just out of the bath. It's fine. What is it?
They're both way awkward as he just stands there with his gigantic holographic john-thomas blown up to 5x lifesize dangling right in front of them but manage to stammer their way through the call and never speak of it to one another again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvwNgtAR8cE

I agree with him with a lot of points

Kanan should have been the main character
inquisitors suck
Space Aladdin....that killed me
Sabine is a Mary Sue

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>>94282618
>>94282669
YT is a good judge of basic interest in a subject.
Yes, even those crazy Indian Spider-man Elsa shits have people interested in them.
Mostly kids and bots

But it's still a rough judge of basic interest.
If Pablo was truly right, why aren't the views/likes between Pro and Anti PT videos so different?

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>>94282822
Ah, another anon of impeccably refined taste.

>>94282873
Stop shilling your video

JJ Abrams saved Star Wars and this is how the fandom repays him. Fucking disgusting.

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>>94282181
At least they changed the armor, granted it's the worse design. best will always be Phase II

>>94282873
Not this shit again.

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>>94282895
>JJ Abrams saved Star Wa-

>>94282218
No post Kylos.

>>94282492
Better than CinemaSins anyway. Probably the first time someone has noticed that Anakin and Obi-Wan acted like buddies in the beginning of Episode 3, yet all I see is people complaining that they never acted like friends once.

>>94282550
If it helps, Snoke is confirmed to not be human. The idea is that you get the impression that he was once good looking, which makes you curious about his backstory. It also further supports the theory that Snoke may plan to steal Kylo's life force eventually to restore himself.

>>94282873
Literally the only part about that video that I agree with is the Sabine criticism. Everything else is just shitty meme opinions.

>>94282825
No, the current Snoke is about the same as that concept. That one just has creepy lighting.

>>94282893
>Stop shilling your video
I wish I can make fucking video

>>94282968
Did they act like buddies?
Or reference other times they were buddies?

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>>94283005
>Everything else is just shitty meme opinions
>Agrees with the biggest meme opinion

>>94282113
why he has such stupid name co/?

>>94282146
money

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>star wars is science fiction
>there's no science

>>94283107
Disney research showed that "Snoke" was the single syllable word with the most cross cultural intelligibility.
Everyone can say "Snoke". And it's similar to "Coke", the most widely spoken word in the world

>>94283157
>Everyone can say "Snoke".
Leia calls him SHNOKE so maybe not?

>>94282874
>crazy Indian Spider-man Elsa shits
Oh yeah, I've seen those going by. What's the deal with those fucking things anyway?

YT isn't immune from the online phenomenon of communities crystalizing certain viewpoints. Just like here, or on /tv/, or on Reddit, or anywhere else. The fact it's got an enormous userbase ought to mean it's less given to that, but as >>94282618 said, the financialization of content creation there makes for a climate in which certain opinions and loose orthodixies flourish, in certain niches, at certain times, and among certain user-groups.

>>94283099
Sabine is a terrible character. She is FLAT (pun intended) as fuck

>>94283150
Someone didn't read Catalyst. When it's not about Erso family drama, or Krennic wanting to take Galen from Lyra, it's about science.

>>94283244
What's a better barometer of public interest?
And I'm not talking about official Lucasfilm sources

>>94283099
She has yet to be fully salvaged. Those last few episodes has left me hopeful, but to some it's to little to late.

>>94283308
Couldn't tell ya off the top of my head, really. I'd imagine sales figures for DVDs but I honestly don't know what they are.

I'm not disagreeing with your central point - that criticism of the PT dominates in popular consciousness at the moment. I just don't agree with what I'm guessing is the implication, that we can necessarily say from that fact that it's more disliked at large. That's just too big a claim to make from looking at something as troublesome and incentivised as YouTube. And popular discourse or 'chatter' doesn't always correspond to the facts, like we see in politics all the time.

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>>94282218
>>94282937

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Post Ezra.

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>>94283462
I'm with this guy. What they did with the last few episodes did a huge amount to address the legitimate criticisms about Sabine. And they obviously went all-out with it.
But whether it's left enough time in the show's, sadly, short remaining run, to make us truly take her into our hearts and build a beloved character? I dunno.

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>>94283482
ok

>>94282146
G O O S E B U M P S

>>94283536
>>94283462
The last few episodes involving Sabine were obviously an ATTEMPT to fix her character, but even so they wound up falling incredibly flat, because they actually made her even worse. I can now say without a hint of irony that Sabine is an outright Mary Sue.

>>94283534
>>94283473

Truly this is the best ship, Any character/Happiness

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>>94283595
mfw I commissioned this lewd because I waifu Sabine. Then I come here and see it's become a meme used to bully her.

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>>94283703
Good. You deserve your suffering.

>>94283463
I'm trying to look for DVD sales, but big long term summations aren't out there, it seems.

For Blu-Rays, TFA is number 3. Which is not a big surprise and doesn't say much.
The I-VI collection shows up, and the IV-VI does too. Both midway in the grand total of best selling Blu-Rays
But the 1-III collection doesn't show up at all.

Surely that says something, right?

Idiots needs to stop calling Grey Jedi and Starkiller edgy.

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>>94283838
Starkiller (Galen) is edgy.
That's the whole point of the Force "Unleashed".
It's edgy and over the top

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>>94283703
you made this, good man anon good man

>>94283874
>ba'rest im'plants

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>>94282881
Make way for the F-22 of the TIE Fighters

Stupidly Expensive boarding on unfeasible for wide deployment.

But Highly Lethal.

No loose wire jokes.

>>94283838
>yo i wanna be a Jedi but not really

Then why call yourself a jedi? anyone can use a lightsaber

>>94283899
F-35 you mean. Meant to everything

The Interceptor is a F-22. Meant to kill fighters only

>>94283838
Idiots needs to stop calling Jedi grey.

>>94283927
But the F-35 is shit,

F-22 and the Advanced are actually GOOD and worth their exorbitant Price tag.

>>94283798
Box-sets and collections are going to complicate things, for sure. Having 1-6 lumped together as one product will muddy the waters a great deal, and so will having 4-6 and 1-3 being taken as a single 'unit', as well. Unless that's the only metric you're interested in, which would be fine, but I guess it won't take into account variations in popularity between individual movies. For example, ep.2, could be taken to 'weigh down' the PT while ep.5 may 'buoy up' th OT. Eps. 3 and 6 might have something close to parity, hypothetically.
I guess the point is that what you're trying to do is make a really complicated determination. And sales will give some idea, but that won't take into account rewatches, and which films people will return to. A once-watched dvd of TFA and a dvd of another film that gets watched once a week by a superfan will appear as equal units in that metric.

I'm not trying to be an asshole, btw! I just know a lot of people who work in public polling, who tell me how difficult it is to really determine anything like this, even if you've got the resources of something like Pew Research behind you. And thay don't do polls for SW, sadly.

>>94283973
Advanced hasn't done shit but be Vader's personal ride

>>94283899
TIE's are bad guy ships though so it'd be either a PAK FA or that Chinese J35 or whatever

although modern jets are gay as fuck, I'd rather consider it more like a Horten Ho 229 or Messerschmit Me 262

>>94283917
Because Jedi is a more recognizable galactic term than anything that we'd name Gray Jedi to make them sound unique.

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>>94284016
>didn't even watch ANH
my fucking sides famm

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I want to motorboat Governor Pryce for hour upon hours

>>94284017
>not having the F-4 as your jetfu

>>94282146
Huggbees!

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>>94282218
>>94283704

No one ever gets Daisy's face right.

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>>94284082
>implying the F-4 Phantom isn't my y-fu
you got a lot of nerve, making a post like that

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>>94283899
Stand the fuck back and behold

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Did nuCanon ever defined, what hyperspace is? Is it like a subspace dimension or just ships moving really really fast in real space?

The old Canon was indecisive on this point.

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>>94283874
Thanks fellow Sabine-admirer.
Have the rough sketch for the unused alternate angle.
Sabine is love.

>>94283838
Anon? Grey Jedi and Starkiller are edgy so fucking edgy

>>94284151
That's a feature, not a bug

>>94284008
You aren't being an asshole, you're being the only person I've ever talked to in this god forsaken general that doesn't resort to shit flinging once their Golden Calf is not given its proper resepect.

What I'm seeing with the Blu-Ray numbers is that even if anthologies muddy the waters, the OT collection still manages to find a place. It sold nearly as much as the I-VI collection.
The PT collection isn't even on the list.
Even if there were minor variations in the general likeability of the collection (i.e. people like one movie of the trilogy more than others), shouldn't the PT collection still appear somewhere close to the other Star Wars collections if it were as popular?

The fact that it doesn't show up at all makes me feel like it's awfully strong evidence that people just don't like the PT as much as the OT.
We've had so much evidence for that conclusion, but it's never considered as a viable stance to take here.

>>94284017
>Messerschmit Me 262

Or the prototypes the Japanese were fiddling with after getting the Jet Engines in from Germany.

Again like the Later Tiger Models that were never deployed (because they were too fucking heavy and no engine was capable of driving them)

Its a good thing they never made it to the theater.

>>94284180
Pretty sure Canon is ships moving really fast in space

I really hate how crazy the TIE variants are. I've always enjoyed the vanilla design the most.

>>94284180
Until Pablo had to bullshit the Starkiller beam, it seemed like it was fast movement in real space. Makes sense since the routes require absolutely nothing in the way - asteroids, ships, anomalies, etc - otherwise you crash and die before you even realize it. If it was another dimension then you could just bypass them no matter what.

>>94284214
Isn't it a realm above regular space? Hence the psychedelic visuals?

>>94284050
>ten years ago no one hated the prequels

Do people actually believe this? Were they not alive in 1999?

>>94284180
>just ships moving really really fast in real space?
Pretty sure it's this, but I imagine they don't want to actually define hyperspace because then you have to start providing an explanation for how it works. The more sciency you get the less Star Wars holds up.

So they'll probably just leave it at "traveling faster than light because they can" and ask you not to think too hard about how it actually works.

>>94284230
>Makes sense since the routes require absolutely nothing in the way - asteroids, ships, anomalies,
Not true
Han talks about "coming out inside" shit. Not impacting it on the way.
It's another layer of reality that gravity still influences. That's why stars and Interdictors are problems.

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>>94283150
Star Wars is space fantasy, not science fiction.

I'm not surprised that you don't know the difference.

>>94284214
>>94284180
it's an alternate dimension like the warp of Warhammer 40k but infinitely less fickle, evil, and dangerous

>>94284238
He's wrong on that point, it's not that nobody disliked the prequels but it wasn't any more or less than the usual amount of people who disliked a movie UNTIL it became a media meme to do so, particularly egregiously with RLM

>>94284234
The visuals is you moving so fast all the trillions of trillions of stars blur together. See: the stars turning into long lines going into and out of hyperspace travel.

>>94284162
Y-wings, as we've seen them in canon, are too limited.

F-4s were used for EVERYTHING and had so many variants that they have their own separate Wiki page

>>94284274
>han is the only person that can determine hyperspace for everyone
Nah

>>94284274
>Not impacting it on the way.
But we've actually seen that happen. It's how they destroyed the Malevolence.

>>94283862

"Edgy" is what i would call Sasuke from Naruto or people online who celebrate people dying or who have died.

>>94284325
No, but Han is a fictional character.
He's a voice for the creator.
And since he was the first person to talk about hyperspace, what he says has the biggest authority.

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>>94284324
>y-wings are seen being used to fight other Starfighters, to fight capital ships, to strafe and bomb soft and hard targets, and to perform reconnaissance missions
seems pretty versatile to me

>>94284295
That wouldn't make the kaleidoscope shit we see

>>94284281

I suppose I could agree with that. I actually enjoyed them, but there were some pretty huge missteps. I remember a lot of people mostly being more disappointed than outright despising them.

>>94284374
In "real" canon (i.e. on screen), all we see are them doing bombing runs or running from real fighters

>>94284252
Though I think Star Wars Hyperspace isn't so much faster as it is the bending method. Hence the need to calculate to make sure you don't wind up in the middle of another spacial body.

That's the center of Han and the Kessel Run joke.

He knows its a distance of measurement and he's just bullshitting a couple of hayseeds.

And hence why those Gravity Generator ships can mess with them because it throws off calculations.

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>>94284420

>>94284181
t...Thank you anon

>>94284374
Its a heavy fighter/bomber. Not as agile as an X or A wing.

Sure it can tangle with some and provide support while part of a group. But you wouldn't want to send it in to a missing were its going to be facing interceptors.

Made that mistake a few times back in the Wing Commander days

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>>94284514
>>94284420

>>94284205
Oh, for sure. Here is as good an example of communities forming around, or preferring, certain opinions and views, as any other online.

You're certainly on much firmer ground when looking at these sales figures, rather than what gets vlogged about or written. I wonder how what you've discovered would hold up against sales of the individual films, too?
You'd certainly have a stronger case if it turns out that PT solo-dvds routinely underperform OT solo-dvds, too.
But I'd guess you're also going to start running up against generational issues, as well. There are generations of people above mine, like my Dad, who grew up with the OT and didn't really bother even seeing the PT, and people who loved the OT as kids and will always prefer it because it brings them back to a magical time in their lives. They're still around, and buying new formats as they come out, so that might skew things.
I guess it's helpful to define 'public interest', like you put it, for the purposes of this kind of exercise. Because there's going to be so many variables.
OT also has the sheen of 'classic of cinema' that gives it extra market value, too. Maybe the PT will get it in many years' time, maybe it won't.
This is why 'opening weekend' figures are such a bad indicator of a film's 'success' or 'quality', as you sometimes see it written. A film can make a ton of money the day it opens, get panned and reviled, and people can still mistakenly claim it's 'popular' by looking at a single metric.
I suspect, ultimately, you're probably right, even if it's near-nigh impossible to prove. And people who love the PT can sometimes get defensive when people question its popularity, thinking they're questioning its quality.

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>>94284576
>Space
>top speed

>>94284576
Yea I knew he'd make notes like that.

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>>94284600
>expecting scientific accuracy in Star Wars

>>94284600
Well one can only generate so much thrust and that will max out and while the Newtonian laws will still be in effect for that basic type of acceleration reaction.

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>>94284620
>>94284600
>>94284576
This should also give you an idea about how awesome the B-wing is as well because it's the same speed/maneuverability as the Falcon (which btfos TIE niggas left and right) and manages to dogfight successfully (though just barely) in the canonical Blade Squadron short stories.

What is it with Star Wars and its love of asymmetrical ships?

>>94284701
George Lucas watching Space 1999 on tv.

>>94284701
Because Aerodynamics mean nothing in space.

And it looks good.

>>94284576
>>94284746
I welcome our goofy overlord back to the unofficial helm of things.

>>94284701
Gives it a really good and recognizable visual aesthetic when compared to Trek, or whatever.

>>94282364
>throatpucci

Why do people think Iden actually disagrees with the destruction of Alderaan when the book makes it explicit that she only said that to join the Partisans? Are people legitimately retarded?

Also does anyone still believe that one leaked 'twist' after reading Inferno Squadron?

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>>94284689
a female pilot, of course

>>94284701
Aside from the Falcon, how many asymmetrical ships are there that aren't Falcon copiers (aka repurposed freighters)?

>>94284791
Hey they had their chance when they showed test footage from McQuarrie designs and then dumped them. They can go screw.

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How dangerous would a force user corrupted by Chaos be?

Anyone read the CoDominium series?
It's pretty Star Wars but without the magic

>>94284841
she fucks a black dude
and her squad also includes Ten Nunb (Nien's bro) and the Mon Cal from the deleted B-wing cockpit scenes from ROTJ

>>94284848
most mon cal cruisers, the Nebulon, the Finalizer, Consular frigates, TIE bombers, off the top of my head

>>94284945
Aside from the Bomber, those are all symmetrical
And the bomber is only functionally asymmetrical

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>>94285005
this is not symmetrical

>>94285069
Looking at it head-on, yes it is.

>>94285069
Barely
The basic rough form is.

Compare that to the Falcon

>>94285092
>big tower on the back on one side
>big antenna on the front on the other
anon...

>>94285097
the falcon is nearly symmetrical if you discount the cockpit on one side and dish on the other, which considering you're ignoring those on the nebulon right now, you probably should be

>>94285173
I guess it has more to do with size
The Nebulon antenna and the flying bridge is a tiny part of the whole.

Where as the Falcon cockpit is much more of the total deckplan

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>>94283473
>>94283534

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>>94285296
>tfw not Rey's lesbian and/or futa bf

>>94284877
Probably as dangerous as a Chaos Warlock. Khorne Wouldn't like lightsabers cauterizing wounds though.
They'd probably be bird boy's butt buddies what with their foresight powers.

>>94285384
Slanesh would probably get xir's dicks hard over the idea of corrupting a celibate warrior-monk.

Really, the Jedi Order of the Republic would be rife for Chaos manipulation.
Everyone other than Nurgel would find good prey there.

>>94284837
>Also does anyone still believe that one leaked 'twist' after reading Inferno Squadron?
Which one?

>>94285438
Toxic, aggressively infectious mutant midichlorians.

Trust in the father of plagues, anon. He'd find a way.

>>94285493
Oh yeah, hadn't considered that angle
The better Jedi are "infected" more with midichlorians
I can imagine Nurgel whispering into a Jedi's ear about increasing their power with a midichlorian infection
>Let them in. Become more powerful. Everyone will respect you. Just let them in

All of these people complaining about how Star Wars is still using the same basic ship designs is kind of baffling to me. The US has been using the same fighter designs with periodic upgrades since the 70's. This debate is just a bunch of sperglords who know absolutely nothing about how militaries or governments work.

>>94285585
If Plagueis can use them to 'create life', imagine the little horrors the Plaguefather could incubate inside their bodies once they've accepted, ready to burst out alien-style.

Jedi have always reminded me more of Eldar though. Foresight powers, ascetic lifestyles devoted to studying combat or telekenesis or whatever, and no fun allowed.

>>94285601
>2015 era bait
C'mon

>>94285601
I know right? A few threads ago I had an argument with some dumbfuck wehraboo about Panther vs Sherman tanks and accidentally derailed the thread into /k/, but it basically involved the following dogma: the Panther was used for about 7 years, the Sherman has been used (and still is) for over 70.

>>94285601
What are you talking about?
From WW1 to WW2 we went from balsa wood and canvas to aluminum and jet engines.

>>94282146
Kino

>>94285669
Don't forget the smug arrogance.

The Star Wars universe is the 40K Chaos wet dream.
Hell, I can imagine a Mr Burns style total immunity due to how vulnerable they are to Chaos

>>94285670
>Implying implications
>>94285697
And? The US has been using the F-18 since 1979, the C-130 since the 50's. and the A-10 since 1972. The Republic and the Empire still using TIEs and X-Wings 30+ years on isn't a weird thing at all. The only people who are having problems with it are fucking autistic.

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>>94285745
THIS

>>94285800
The issue isn't the continuity but rather the lack of innovation

Right now 70 year old B-52s are flying next to F-35s.
Yeah some planes are old. But some are very new and look like alien spaceships

>>94285800
The entire world also uses one of the following two rifles: a wooden clanker made in 1947 or a space age plastic gun from 1959, and this is to say nothing of India's usage of the SMLE, and the fact that the USS Constitution is still commissioned after 200+ years.

>>94285876
If Old Ironsides ever sees combat, I'll go to wherever you are and suck your dick. Finger your asshole too

>>94285601
>The US has been using the same fighter designs with periodic upgrades since the 70's.
Yes, I'm sure that's what was going through Abrams's head when he decided to do X-Wings vs TIE Fighters.

>>94282907
I love the natural progression from the Republic to Empire in both logo and helmet
And then the FO comes in and their emblem looks like a prolapsed anus

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>>94285924
I want to go to war with the bongs one last time so we can put an ICBM on this thing and give a jolly old fuck you to the king

>>94285842
The F-35 was only introduced last year, and is still greatly outnumbered by the number of F-18 and F-16's in the air. Also saying the Tie Fighter in TFA isn't a vast improvement over the original TIE/In is fucking stupid.

>>94284275

What's the difference when it comes to storytelling?

>>94284181
>That everything
Stay strong, penis
Just wait a bit. Month's almost over

>>94286112
It's a difference in themes and core philosophy. Science fiction is speculative, it asks questions about people and things. Space fantasy, like all fantasy, shows us the way things could be rather than the way things are.

>>94286007
JJ Abrams, no. Lawrence Kasdan, yes.

>>94286112
literal genuine unironic autists like to lord "science fiction" over unenlightened plebeian "science fantasy" brainlets

to them, story is irrelevant (evidenced by every hard SF novel being unreadable boring trash) while technobabble, spreadsheets, psychoanalysis, and maths are everything

>>94285296

Chances of a ship crashed and burned the moment Finn did.

>>94286188
>Lawrence Kasdan, yes.
Yeah, no. Kasdan doesn't put that much thought into his work. Also it wasn't his call since he wasn't the one working with the art department.

>>94285842
After the innovations of the CW and the interwar era, maybe there was a stagnation of sorts? We see incremental changes to the X- and A-wing models by the Sequel era. But, in TLJ, they'll at least be joined by a new type of heavy bomber that doesn't mimick earlier eras in design or function.

>>94286219
RLM complaining that Finn and Rey weren't romantically involved pissed me off. Do you know how fucking rare it is to have a platonic male/female friendship in fiction? Not everything needs to be a romance.

>>94286324

The chemistry really wasn't there for a romance, as imo, Finn came off as Rey's decided inferior which is always a bad dynamic to have romance bloom. Cassian and Jyn in "Rogue One" came off as true equals even though Jyn was the main character. Hell, Steve and Diana seemed more balanced than Rey and Finn.

On the other hand, it does seem like Disney kind of punked out by making the first interracial male and female leads not a romantic couple. Diverse, but not too diverse. I don't really care, but I can see where the complaints come from.

>>94285492
The one where files in the beta reveal that a character says something like 'The New Republic welcomes Inferno Squadron into our ranks.'

>>94286266
What the fuck does it matter? You're arguing against logic that any small child could connect the dots with. You're being moronic. I can smell your flopsweat from here.

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I keep seeing people call Qui-Gon a rebellious Jedi/someone who worked outside of the code but what exactly did he do to display those traits? I remember him being a pretty by-the-numbers Jedi.

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>>94286588
>Kasdan would've!
>no Kasdan wasn't the director
>WELL IT DOESN'T MATTER YOU'RE A FAT NERD
Wow okay

>>94286652
Legends seeping into his characterization.

>>94286652
He bends the rules a bit and doesn't always listen to the council but I wouldn't say he works outside the code. Mostly I think he's trying to be what the Jedi should be rather than what the council says.

>>94286652
It's not so much that he worked outside the code, but that he didn't much care about what the council thought. He did what he felt was right even the face of tradition or the council.

If were by a by the number jedi, he would have never brought a nine year old to be trained, or make his padawan promise to train him when he no longer could.

>>94282146

Downhill

>>94286735
>or make his padawan promise to train him when he no longer could.

Why is that "bad" for a Jedi to do?

>>94282139
Stop assuming their gender shitlord

>>94286797
it implies that he was planning on training anakin no matter what the council said.

>>94286735
Among other things, like the way he played Watto and his "the queen trusts me, you should too" attitude towards Padme while fully knowing she's the queen.

>>94286797
The council didn't want him to be trained. He made Obi-Wan swear he would do it, and true to his word, Obi-Wan was prepared to defy the council and train Anakin with or without the council's permission.

In 20 years we'll get a photo realistic CGI Qui Gon solo movie
Just you all wait

>>94286833
>"the queen trusts me, you should too" attitude towards Padme while fully knowing she's the queen.
I thought he wasn't aware she was the queen? He looked a little sheepish when she revealed herself to the gungans

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>Aftermath shows that Hux great up with a really tall blonde girl who was very brutal in her training in the Empire and shows great promise in being a possible captain some day *wink* *wink* *nod* *nod*
>the new Phasma book just says 'fuck it' and has Phasma join the First Order much later when they take over her planet
What's the fucking point?

All we know about Qui-gon in canon is what's in TPM and the little we get in TCW. Anything else is inferred thanks to the old EU and has no bearing on the character now.

>>94286891
He looks to Obi-Wan and gives him a little smirk. Obi-Wan's the one who seems a little surprised by it.

>>94286973
Since we know so little, the one thing he does (AKA says FUCK the council, Imma gonna raise this anti-Christ/Christ in the Jedi way) says everything

>>94286973
Okay, but nobody's done that so far.

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>>94286813
You're right, we've only heard Rig Nema referred to by name or as "doctor" in the show.

>>94286549

Iden and Del defect after a few missions, and over Cinder? Hask goes First Order and ST later a final face off maybe.

>>94287179
I'd love to put my penis inside zher

>>94286893

The point is we're ignoring Wendig where we can.

>>94286893
To give two characters that have to work together backstories that aren't tied together in a boring way. Armitage may end up leading the assault on Phasma's planet that brings her in. We just don't know yet.

Why does anybody want an Obi-Wan movie outside of wanting to see Ewan reprise the role? There's basically nothing that happened in those 20 years on Tatooine, and the little that did happen has already been shown in comics and the Twin Suns episode of Rebels.

>>94287791
Precisely because "nothing" happens in those 20 years, the story would have to be small scale which is something I would love to see in the SW universe.

>>94282334
>says Yoda was "awesome" "flipping around"
Opinion disregarded

Don't get me wrong, I like James "Buffalo shit" Rolfe".
But I can't agree with anyone who likes the Yoda fight

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>>94282113
Imagine if fuckin palatine went senile in his old age, still able to conjure up force lighting and the likes.
>My boy, have I ever told you the story of darth plagues the wise?
>Yes my master, you have spoke of it before.
>Ah yes, during that big bubble festival. I helped plan it you know.
>Yes my master.
> Yes there were suppose to be ballons that came out during the end, but Jar Jar Accidentally let that out right before it began, it took months for them to come down you know?
>Yes my master.
>Have I ever told you the story of darth plagues the wise?
>yes my master

>>94287834
Star Wars fans would love something like that, but I don't think normies would.

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>>94282146
Tired

>>94282449
>gives more than one plusdings to Anakin and Padme meeting in the Jedi Temple
Brahs

>>94284151
Neither did nature

>>94287187
Stop repeating this as if its set in stone, for all we know its ALL JUST AN ELABORATE RUSE. Then again maybe it isn't, and she does actually defect, I don't personally mind that, but you can't take this shit entirely out of context and think OH SHIT OH SHIT SPOILER WE KNOW THE WHOLE PLOT NOW

I want to breed Janina Gavankar's curry cunny, whether she's imperial or rebel

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sup, /swco/, I'm the mandofag from a while back.

Thoughts on my kit?

>>94289095
Get some knee, shin, and elbow armour and you'll look good
Also, you look like a manlet

What you have now looks good though. I like the leather pouches

>>94289095
Girth belt looks flaccid
No knee armor
No bracers
baggy pants look like slacks
leather pouches need some serious weathering to match the rest of your kit
the one black cloth pouch looks out of place as fuck
black on black on black on black

4/10 - Ru'kel nu ash'amur ti

Snoke looks like a really fucked up Tobin Bell

>>94286973
I want a Quigon book so well

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>>94289121
>>94289221
Knees and vambraces are still WIP, but thanks, will improve

>>94290029
You from Pennsylvania by any chance?
I know some fags from that region

>>94282146

Lost

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>>94289095
too much battle damage

>>94290029
I really do wish your vest contrasted your suit, it's just so much black - especially since you plates are black.

But see what I mean about the leather from that pic? It looks so fresh it's practically plastic whereas the plates look like you were lightly basted in acid

Also, not sure if it's just that pic - but your color plate spacing looks uneven.

>>94289095
>>94290029
>>94290282
If you want good battle damage, don't draw it on your amour, weather it "realistically".

I work as a mover, so I have a water bottle that I use every move.
It's got some legit "battle damage" from tossing it into the work crate every move.

Get a crate or a box or a barrel or whatever and fill it full of metal and wood shit.
Then toss your armour into the box.
Do it about 20 times and you'll have your legit weathering

>>94290107
Nah, Maryland, but same clan, Kyrimorut.

>>94290297
The leather bandolier there has been weathered since that pic was taken

>>94290370
Thanks for the advice

Why did Jabba ask the Republic for help?

Which announced SW book (comic or novel) are you most looking forward to?

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What did they mean by this pose? I get that it's an outtake that wasn't supposed to leak but for what possible purpose would they even photograph this?

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>>94282181
>>94285601
>>94285800
>>94285842
>>94284576
I'm not trying to making an autistic point about specific advances in fictional technology. I just want to display some basic ship evolution with this picture I made.
All I wish was that there was some more unique ships for the new movies. I don't care about realism or scientific advancements. I just wish we saw more than upgraded X wing, upgraded AT-AT and upgraded Death Star.

>>94290689
Gotta get that Yoga in before fighting people, he lost because he didnt do Yoda before the first fight

>>94290762
as a planefag this image enrages me with its spurious comparisons, what you SHOULD have used was:
>P40 Warhawk
>P51 Mustang
>F86 Sabre
>F100 Super Sabre
>F14 Tomcat
>F22 Raptor

>>94290689
The point of that pose was that he was doing strange shit in his antagonist movements
Like, it's ugly and confusing, so he must be evil.

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>>94282507
>>94282113
We Wuz Immortal and Shiiieee

>>94290870
Good list. Though there is no way the ARC is a Mustang. Its more like a P-38 Lightning

>>94290925
This is some serious reaching. Nothing about him looks intimidating in that pose. None of his poses were intimidating. Luke looked more like a villain in his photo shoot.

>>94290870
The New X-Wing would be more of an F-35 than an F-22.

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>>94290870
>>94290984

pls no bully I just made something fun

>>94290762
not accurate, more accurate would be replacing the T-70 with the T-85 X-Wing, but we haven't seen it yet so I'll forgive you for now

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>>94291017
>>94291008
>>94290984
I'm not making direct comparisons I'm just using actual fighters instead of a CAS tankbuster and a stealth strike bomber. If I really gave it some thought (and I autistically do, I'm the same guy that keeps posting THIS image) I could come up with more direct analogues. But it'd be easier with /k/'s help.

>>94282139
She was the original Doctor Aphra before Disney took over and made Aphra Asian.

>>94290999
Well, show some Luke photos of him posing like that

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Why was there not more of this beauty in Clone Wars?

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Official (OFFICIAL)
>official
PABLO APPROVED (tm) with the George Lucas Stamp of Approval STARFIGHTER DESIGNS

>GODDESS
z95 headhunter (all)

>PERFECT
a-wings
b-wings
x-wings
y-wings
tie interceptor
tie bomber

>BREDDY GUD
tie fighter
u-wing
v-wing
vulture droid
tri-fighter

>FORGETTABLE TIER
the rest

>KYS TIER
hyena droid
tie phantom
resistance bomber

>honorable non-canon mentions
starviper
e-wing
rihkxyrk assault fighter

>>94291225
Development time.

>>94291250
resistance bomber is gud u faget
and the only canon z-95 (from tcw) looks like shit, unlike those based swing-wing versions from the han solo adventures trilogy from 1979

>>94291017
And we are giving supportive advice. Trying to help each other out make a good list.

>>94291077
Ya the issue is that the Mustang is considered the best Air Superiority fighter of the war. The ARC was more of a heavy fighter that was so big and expensive the Empire completely dropped it as they felt it couldnt do any of the roles expected of it well enough.

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>>94291250
>no ARC-170

kys m8

>>94291598
>arc-170
who?

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>>94289095
get on my level, kid

>>94291610
The over-crewed "fighter" from RotS that everyone loves.

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What is their endgame?

>>94282146
Childish

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>>94291721
to have their most memorable member of their species killled within a year of his reveal and then be forgotten as a species forever

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>>94291637
>>94291610
>>94291598
>>94291511
The P-61 Black Widow was a phenomenally fast and maneuverable fighter given it's size and configuration, however it was rarely used for dogfighting (not least because by the time it entered the war Axis air forces were depleted to negligible strength) and was generally used as a night strike bomber using its radar.

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Started reading Tarkin and I noticed that the Victory-class Star Destroyer is now canon. Have they appeared in any other canon material so far?

>>94291762
i don't remember hearing that blurb from rogue squadron

>>94291759
Why does Disney even bother bringing back EU concepts and characters if they are not even going to do anything with them?

>>94291790
Nope. The Gladiator star destroyer is canon too in that same book I think, but it's never had an actual canonical visual incarnation. There's several instances of random items being recanonized in the novels then completely forgotten because nobody gave enough of a shit, so you can wank to Victories or the like if you want to, but the chance of you ever seeing them in action is basically nil.

>>94291833
Have you not been reading ANY of the books? The Unknown Regions are being built up as something Big and Important, and the Chiss are just another piece of it.

>>94291630
Ah, the required Fat Mando that is necessary for all Mando cosplay groups

>>94291790
>Started reading Tarkin and I noticed that the Victory-class Star Destroyer is now canon.
well, /been/ canon, since Tarkin has been out for a while.

>Have they appeared in any other canon material so far?
Nope

i don't understand the difference between star destroyers

>>94291833
Disney has nothing to do with it, blame Luceno for name-dropping shit nobody else at LSG seems to care about. I'd much prefer random shit like that remain non-canon if it's not going to even appear in comic books, let alone games cartoons, or movies. Invent new stuff to put in your novels instead of screwing around.

>>94291867
Not really were should I start on nucanon books?

>>94291849
Yeah, Tarkin also bizarrely recanonized Sate Pestage. Mas Amedda has taken over what used to be Sate's role, so it's not even clear why Sate is around since he's apparently just another inner circle member like all the old guys with party hats on the second Death Star.

>>94291908
The Thrawn novel would be a good place.
Since, you know, it deals with the very character you're bitching about.

>>94291908
probably thrawn

best of the pre-ANH books imo

>>94291940
That one was already on my list mostly because they got Zahn back for it(probably why it's got the best reputation too). The way you talked you seemed like there was a stream of books hinting at this thing with the unknown regions.

>>94282146
sand

>>94291882
Star Destroyers are long-range versatile warships with carrier capacity and heavy forward armament.
>Acclamator
not an SD, but an armed transport vessel
>Venator
the Jedi Cruiser that formed the backbone of the Republic fleet
>Victory
similar competitor to Venator
>Gladiator
smaller cruiser with greater dedicated fighter capacity
>Imperial
standard Imperial replacement for the Venator, decreased focus on fighters as an armament
>Interdictor
gravity well projector to trap large ships
>Executor
nearly invincible dreadnought
>Resurgence
First Order compromise between Imperial and Executor
>Maxima
FO cruiser similar to Gladiator

>>94291982
there's not unfortunately...maybe the comics though

>>94291900
So how long until we get a Revan novel that does nothing new or significant and only exists to drum up sales for the Revan name?

>>94291982
They're building to it. There's a lot of hints in Aftermath, and the Thrawn novel provides more.

NovelThrawn and RebelsThrawn seem like two different characters

>>94292105
Not really. Rebels Thrawn seems a little more aggressive but that's about it.

>>94291882
As time goes on, ships get more advance.

The US had like 6 or more different classes of aircraft carriers in WW2 alone and thats not counting the light aircraft carrier classes the US had also and god knows how many destroyer classes

>>94292105
they are

novel thrawn is a mary sue if having aspergers doesn't count as a character flaw

rebels thrawn is a jobbing art fiend

>>94291982
Lost Stars teases it at the end, Aftermath's entire third book and overall story arc builds to it, Thrawn obviously as well. The ST is also retroactively building onto it, since it seems that everything will end with Snoke appearing from the UR to take over the First Order.

>>94292141
>I neither read the book nor saw the show

>>94292141
It's bad enough you're shitposting about one thing you haven't read or watched, but two? For shame, don't make it so obvious.

>>94292057
The question is what, if its going to be another EU staple because they can't do something new my money is on the ancient sith or the Yuuzhan Vong. I hope they do something new though.

>>94292147
I don't know if it would redeem or be complete hollywood sequel-bait if episode 9 ends with a vong invasion

>>94292195
This would only reaffirm my opinion that disney doesn't truly have any new ideas.

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Episode 8 will start the Vong invasion and Episode 9 will be the end of the war.

The next standalone film will be Star Wars: The Yuuzhan Vong Wars

Filoni's new series will be called Star Wars: The Yuuzhan Vong Wars.

>>94292247
Legends material, nothing more.

>>94286017
KEK

>>94286112
On practical terms, Science Fiction uses the same concepts with a very different presentation and context compared to Science Fantasy, the former often taking steps to describe how technology and time has changed/enabled/fucked up the setting and the latter not caring much about the technical aspects of things and more about the Journey.

On technical/tl;dr terms, Science Fantasy as a concept didn't exist until a couple decades ago in fact, Science Fiction is a (relatively) recent invention - the earliest science heavy stories were originally just "fantasy in space" where people just happened to have high tech on top of maigcal powers, or didn't use high tech at all and just travelled through space. A Princess of Mars is one of the biggest examples of this and terms like "Space Opera" where thrown around a lot. Between the 40s and 60s we see a rise in much more technically minded stories with subtle sociopolitical themes that eventually became what we know as Science Fiction. Science Fiction then engulfed most stories that dealt with alien species and technology-centered settings while Science Fantasy was latter coined for space settings that also used non-technological themes like magic.

Mind that Science Fiction is also very heavy on analogies and political commentary, which is considered a staple of the genre due to the sociopolitical context of the era it was coined in.

Star Wars follows classic Space Opera themes: Big war between space nations, an overarching drama between ancient mystical powers and a little bit of romance.

>>94282304
All I got is Snoke is 'Star Wars Satan'.

>>94292195
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOHnHWdy_oQ

Imagine a post credit scene of the Vong preparing to invade

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>>94292337
i'd cum

>>94292337
>Star Wars
>post-credit scenes
Fuck right off

>>94292337
>post credit scene
this isn't marvel, who has to show you they KNOW you're going to show up to the next shitpile

>>94292337
>already having trouble making people give a crap about the villain faction of the ST
>let's throw in a third one at the end of the second movie for no reason

>>94292457
Don't you mean 3rd movie?

>>94292486
Yeah, I slipped.

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>>94292030
You don't need to be a star to be a destroyer ^:)

The Vong would never work in a movie, unless they really toned down the violent aspects about them.

>>94292578

Funny note:

George called Invisible Hand a Star Destroyer in the RotS commentary

>>94282507
What of Snoke is actually Palpatine and they make this the second time they bring back a character that falls into a deep hole? What if the flash of light after Palpatine was thrown down the tower shaft means he used some sort of with sith magic to land safely and then escape.

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>>94292996
Georgie knows best

>>94284151
You say that like it's a bad thing

>>94293083

Snoke is probably a new character that got reborn with ze evil like how Rey was given the good

Snoke awoke first, and Rey did during TFA

>>94293369
Everything about this "avatars/incarnations of Force spirits" thing continues to sound dumb as hell.

>>94293412
I'll gladly take "Surprise, Mortis was the basis of this trilogy" side of the rumors over the "Anakin was never the real chosen one because he was a fucking white male" rumor.

>>94282218
This billboard sized forehead of a woman is gonna go through her entire trilogy without losing a limb isn't she...

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>>94282218

>>94293491
I really don't like it, though. What's funny is that I actually liked the Mortis arc a lot, but THIS development of it is something that really rubs me the wrong way.

I think it's all down to the idea that the Son/Daughter/Father are able to incarnate as living things. It's fine if they're strange, godlike beings, but them becoming humans/aliens just doesn't feel Star Wars-y. It feels extremely Christian, and not in the general way that Star Wars' good/evil morality is Christian. Star Wars' spirituality has always been a kind of mish-mash of Taoism, Buddhism, and Christianity, but Christianity was always the minor element between the three, and that's a balance I'm not sure it's good to upset.

>>94293598
>It feels extremely Christian, and not in the general way that Star Wars' good/evil morality is Christian.
*tips lightsaber* m'force

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>>94293369
>>94293412
>>94293598
>they're STILL falling for the fake /tv/ shitpost links
god could you anons be any more retarded?

>>94293412

Yeah, but there's not much they can really do.

Sheeve was the penultimate baddie in the universe, and having someone else out there that's even worst, is a slap in the face to the PT and OT. Unless they try and make it that he was behind it all, but again, that's a slap.

I can't see someone that uses the Dark Side and is very powerful ignoring what's going on. Dark Side users want power over others and to control/conquer, so Snoke wouldn't have been sitting it out unless he wasn't around in spirit or his physical was far outside the galaxy.

Some type of hibernating Dracula deal could work, though, and he woke up not long after RotJ. With Rey being a generic powerful light side user with ties to the Skywalkers.