Is this the most underappreciated masterwork out there? I see

>>94213628
Because it's good, and that pretty much ends discussion. It's the same thing with Hellboy.

>>94213680
I don't get why there are constant threads about shit titles.

>>94213628
maybe
Stan Sakai really should be considered one of the greatest

>>94213739

Welcome to the bitch engine.

>>94213680

hell when was the last time we had a Bone

>>94213680
>It's the same thing with Hellboy.

Not really. Hellboy is much more well known and pushed in shops and media.

Usagi Yojimbo is criminally underrated and even ignored.

>>94213824
>hell when was the last time we had a Bone

Also not talked about as much but people have heard of Bone or seen it in stores. I've seen Bone at fucking Barnes and Noble.

>>94213794
I think part of the problem is that other books are easier to break into small segments and discuss. Cape books are really easy for this. Long running epics are much harder to break down to digestible bits.

>>94213628
Take this furfag weeaboo shit back to >>/a/.
/co/ (and most of 4chan) consists mostly of shit posting, bait posting and anons who fall for it. Series that are almost universally considered good aren't usually brought up, because there is very little shitpost potential for them. Not to mention that they've been discussed to death already.

>>94213628
>I see you are a man of taste and culture as well.jpeg

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>>94213628
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

>>94213680
It can be hard to articulate why something is good, especially if it is very good, as the craft vanishes behind the effect it creates.

I need to grab the new collection, it has Space Usagi and all the other random bits outside the main series.

I like it when it plays out a vagabond hero story but twists it, like when Usagi saves a town from being run off so the corrupt magistrate could mine the gold in their hills but the villagers (nor Usagi) never actually learn what was going on so they don't even realize what he did and so fail to appreciate him for it. Indeed they blame him for bringing violence to their town when the magistrate sends assassins after him.

The village cutie's expected attraction to Usagi is shallow and born from boredom and the one young man brave enough to stand up and fight does it against USAGI in competition for that girl. Usagi also just threatens to kill him because he's fed up with all this shit instead of mentoring him or gently beating him to teach him what little skill he really has.

Another time he brought a doll instead of the baby a villain demanded to trick him. This backfired terribly when the baby's mother, who didn't know Usagi's plan, threw herself in front of the doll to protect it from attack and was killed.

>>94214406
Space Usagi is decent but that pales when so much of the main series is excellent. I do appreciate how space Usagi and space Gen, etc. have genuinely different circumstances even if their personalities are almost the same. It stops it from being, well, just Usagi Yojimbo in space.

Anyone see the Nick TMNT episode about him recently? It's so fucking good.

>>94214506
No, do you have a source or remember what episode it was?

>>94214434
>I like it when it plays out a vagabond hero story but twists it, like when Usagi saves a town from being run off so the corrupt magistrate could mine the gold in their hills but the villagers (nor Usagi) never actually learn what was going on so they don't even realize what he did and so fail to appreciate him for it. Indeed they blame him for bringing violence to their town when the magistrate sends assassins after him.The village cutie's expected attraction to Usagi is shallow and born from boredom and the one young man brave enough to stand up and fight does it against USAGI in competition for that girl. Usagi also just threatens to kill him because he's fed up with all this shit instead of mentoring him or gently beating him to teach him what little skill he really has.

I think both of those are in Vol. 2/3

>>94214506
It was weird. I felt like I was watching an anime.
>that Akira slide on the horse

>>94214668
http://www.toonova.net/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-2012-season-5-episode-7

>>94214406
What's the new collection called?

>>94213628
I'd argue that Cerebus is probably more underappreciated due to people's dislike of Dave Sim, but in the modern era I'd say the Usagi is the most snubbed. It's terrible to see the consistently bad sales that are even lower than Hellboy and most of the Mignolaverse off shoots.The one nice thing about it is that it is an incredibly loyal reader base. The sales barely fluctuate, so while it's not really gaining readers it sure as fuck isn't losing them.

>>94214784
Usagi Legends I think,

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>>94214809
>consistently bad sales
wut

>>94214809
I've only discovered Usagi in the last 2 years (30 now, started reading comics around 13). It's ignored more than Cerebus.

>>94214838
For example, issue #153 (the last issue that I can locate in Comichron) only sold 4,269 copies.

>>94214972
Usagi Yojimbo gets the boost from TMNT fans. Cerebus has to rely solely upon word of mouth from Cerebus fans.

At least on /co/, I would say that Usagi Yojimbo has a bigger fanbase and Cerebus is more underappreciated.

>>94213739

I think people feel smarter when they're hating something.

>>94213911

It helps that bone has an omnibus and so can easily be treated as a single work.

>>94215098
>>94214972
>>94215123
>>94215148
>>94214838

Did anybody pick up the new TMNT/Usagi Crossover?

>>94213628
Stuff /co/ universally believes good don't get threads that last long. Example: Venture Bros.

>>94215243

I truly don't believe that /co/ has a universal opinion on Usagi Yojimbo. I'm pretty sure most people here don't really read many comics.

Has anyone ever seen anyone post Groo the Wanderer here?

>>94215604
Yes. Thanks for asking.

>>94215604
Groo gets mentioned on occasion.

>>94215642

How often? That was going to be one I posted for possibly less appreciated comic.

>>94215700
Less often than Usagi and less often than Cerebus. But I also don't think that it's as good as them.

>>94215604
I've never read any of the modern Dark Horse stuff, I have a few of the old Epic issues. The humor holds up well

>>94213739
Shit things have more varied opinions which generates lengthy discussions, things that are universally liked cant last that long cause most of people are gonna agree in most points.

>>94215729

I can see that. It's not focused on drama almost at all. I'm less familiar with Usagi Yojimbo though.

>>94215755

But people can talk extensively about great works. Look at any type of literary analysis. Why are fandoms that are traditionally considered nerdy so focused on negativity.

Maybe it's the music critic effect?

>>94215797
>Look at any type of literary analysis.
Sincerity is mocked on 4chan. Any sincere literary analysis of a comic which lasts more than a couple paragraphs is likely to be lambasted as tryhard, pretentious and tl;dr.

>>94213628
It's western comic kino along with Hellboy and Bone.

>>94215797
I think it's the environment. When's the last time you went to a 4chan thread and expected 100% constructive discussion and fascination? Trying to have serious discourse here is like conducting a business meeting at an Arby's.

>>94215820

I know that in my heart. But it always feels bad to admit. I think it's an internet issue in general, I remember cynicism being the norm even back in old IRC chats.

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>>94215797
Because fandom is awful

A while ago someone storytimed the whole thing, which took weeks and had interesting things to say about the series and 17th Century Japan, etc.

It must have taken a lot of effort.

>>94215098
I find that Usagi is more satisfying to read in trades so I'm not entirely surprised that single issue sales aren't great.

>>94215840

Though I say that, and then I recall seeing old letters to the editors from the 70s and the shit is the same then too. Maybe it's just that many people don't like comics anymore, but they are unwilling to find other hobbies. So they continue doing it, and they grow bitter about their lives and their perceived lack of joy.

I know on /v/ I frequently see people straight up talking about how they don't enjoy video games anymore but that's all they know and so they continue playing. Maybe that's just fanbases in general.

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>>94215853
I will always remember the BType storytime. It hooked me on UY hard

postan reaction images

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>>94213628
>Why does it get so little attention?


This is 4-chan. We don't want to drag that in here, we'd just get it dirty.

>>94215906
Usagi Yojimbo Vol. 31 Hell Screen
1,137 sales

What's a good Usagi compilation book I can easily pick up and read?

>>94216043

Is that just diamond numbers?

>>94216123
Yes. The numbers might be better outside the direct market.

>>94216109
The series has some significant continuity, so the first volume is the best place to start. They may be out of print right now, due to low popularity, but old copies are available on Amazon

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>>94213911
>I've seen Bone at fucking Barnes and Noble.

I worked at a Borders for a while and one of the things we would do is have a wall showing employee favorites. Bone was always my top pic

>>94216137

I really wish I knew other sales. Not just for this book. I know I buy almost everything on Amazon now.

>>94216159
The Fantagraphics stuff is out of print (I am incredibly lucky to have snagged a copy on ebay a year or two ago) but the Dark Horse era collections are easy to get.

I don't know how big of a problem it would be to just jump in. There's continuity but individual pieces of it expire after a while. The story of the blind pig is concluded, for instance.

>>94216396
You can start at the Dark Horse stuff just fine. That's what I did. Acquired a Fantagraphics edition later.

>>94216109
Grasscutter is what got me into Usagi so that's usually what I like to recommend to people. But really you can pick up any Usagi trade and it will be pretty good, there's never a barrier to understanding the current story.

>>94216159
>>94216396
>>94216432
>>94216484
I'm just worried if I pick up a random volume it ends at a to be continued cliffhanger.

>>94213628
>Why does it get so little attention?

Because it NEVER got a cartoon. Do you really think that comics are an accessible mainstream medium? Get real. TMNT to this day would be obscure if it didn't have a cartoon. Other mediums lead to exposure and from what I hear the creator of Usagi despises the Animation Is For Stupid Kids Just Like YOU mentality of the industry so he doesn't try to do a full blown cartoon about his creation and satisfies himself with a few episodes in each TMNT cartoon.

But a full blown cartoon? No way. He knows he will be censored because Usagi KILLS a chunk of antagonists.

>>94216710
I have most of the Dark Horse Volumes. They don't really do that.

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>>94216775
>Do you really think that comics are an accessible mainstream medium? Get real.
>this angry over a point no one made
WTF?

>>94216109

The first three books are mostly standalone issue length stories; the fourth one is the first volume length story.

Daisho is easily one of the best standalone books with a volume length story and gives you a great insight into who Usagi is as a person.

The twelfth book Grasscutter is probably still the single best volume, especially if you count Mother of Mountains and Tomoe's Story as being one story, but works better if you've read some of th previous books since they introduce a lot of the really important characters and plotlines.

So I'd suggest either The Dragon's Bellow Conspiracy or Daisho but that's me.

>>94213628
It gets too much attention.
Its just a fucking rip off. All he did was steal a character and story and turn them into anthro animals.
You people are fucking scum.

>>94215970
>every time the word "mendicant" popped up
Also Sanshobo was my nigga

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>>94213628
do i have to be a furfag to like this crap? I tried reading it, was an extremely boring experience.

>>94218532
Just read / watch the stuff it rips off.

Four reasons:
-it's an anthro comic
-it's a comic about historical Japan
-it isn't published by DC or Marvel
-no titty monsters in skin tight costumes

I get a little grumpy when someone says it's historically accurate because Sakai clearly made a deliberate decision to excise firearms despite them having been used in Japan for decades by that point and not to mention that gunpowder weapons existed for centuries in East Asia before then, just not the good one-man guns the Japanese got from the Portuguese.

So my autism gland goes in a twist when Usagi and company talk about "the foreign black powder that explodes".

>>94213628
No, it pretty much gets universal praise here on /co/.

>>94215604
There were Groo vs the Gods storytimes here.

>>94213628
>Is this the most underappreciated masterwork out there?
maybe dredd and 2000ad in general?

>>94214506
It was fucking awful, what are you talking about?

>>94218610
The flying batninjas, demons, and dinosaurs are another indication.

Speaking of batninjas, I'm surprised by how quickly Sakai killed the last waifu. Characters tended to last a bit more in the early issues. I wonder if it's due to his personal life.

>>94213680
>>94213628
Blame the Ninja turtles crossover.

My bet for underapreciated is Chakyn's American Flagg.

Stan sakai is asian, which means he doesn't get actively bitched at by SJWs as much, which means less controversy.

He's a nice dude, which means he doesn't get into twitter fights with people.

>>94215604
A few years ago.

Is Cerebus still the longest running creator owned work? Or did Gold Digger pass it? And Usagi Yojimbo is third, or is it Savage Dragon? What's in fifth place?

Any reason to not start with volume 1 and just keep going if I want to get into Usagi?

>>94213680
We could always argue about who the best girl is.
But that would be pointless, since everyone knows it's Tomoe.

>>94222158
None. Just start with Vol 1 and keep going.
But if you don't have the time, Book 9 (Daisho) pretty much embodies what Usagi is. Though it's a bit different, as it has one longer story.

>>94222200
Not planning on starting for a bit. I've got a huge backlog and list already, Got volumes 3 and 4 of The Complete Dredd Case Files in the mail right now but thanks, that's good to know.

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>>94222222
checked

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>>94222222
>Got volumes 3 and 4 of The Complete Dredd Case Files in the mail right now
GAZE INTO THE DIGITS OF DREDD

>>94218558
You seem to have a small issue with Usagi Yojimbo. That's fine, though: you got a list of everything UY rips off specifically? I'd love to do a stare-and-compare

>>94220809
Gold digger is technically over 300, but not in a single run. It's like ~10, ~50 and then the current ~250.
Cerebus is 300, even though it's really 298 because of the two double issues. Spawn is ~270, Savage Dragon is ~220, Usagi is in the ~210 range if you just count the main ongoings.

new gifs have appeared for the 3rd Usagi episode

https://giphy.com/tmnt

>>94223683
At least bump with image.

>>94218610
Well I think the thing is that it has selective accuracy. If Sakai wants an aspect of the story to be accurate he does a ton of research on it, if he doesn't then it's not. Any time the story focuses on a specific traditional art form, craft, or tradition it's usually spot on. Like the Tea Ceremony issue.

No shit and no hyperbole:

Sakai is probably the best storyteller in comics I've ever read. Some stuff he does in Yojimbo both from the art and writing standpoints are just too good.

Wish it was licensed in my country.

>>94223797
Not him, but for sure watch Yojimbo and pretty much every other classic Samurai film. Then for good measure watch all of this channel's videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxvOMHoLRBY

>>94225129
Also read Lone Wolf and Cub as that is directly referenced in Usagi.

>>94214809
>>94216043
>>94216188
Usagi is being sold in many countries, including most European ones from Spain to Poland, so Stan is at least getting royalty money from more than one market.

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I think I've mentioned this up before but one of my favorite things about Usagi is the death gasp all characters give as they die.
Regardless of who they are, villain hero, main character or a random thug killed in one page the little skull speech bubble is effective as fuck and bringing the point home that that person is gone.

Trout! Trout!

Usagi!!!!!!!!!!

>>94225356
It's a weird thing because it's so fucking genius, but it would feel like a rip off if someone else did it.

>>94216188
Bookscan is what you are looking for:
http://www.comicsbeat.com/tilting-at-windmills-257-looking-at-bookscan-2016-more-than-10-million-sold/
That article only covers the top 750 titles though, and I don't think that Usagi makes that cut off.

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>>94225243

True.

After the huge story time BType did a few years back I started collecting. I hate that Usagi is so unknown in my country.

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>>94225001

Truth. He's probably my favorite creator, up there wirh Cael Barks.

Plus Stan is super nice. My friend got to meet him once while I was quite ill, and he gave her a free sketch for me and a pin. I will never forget that, that meant a lot to me.

>>94227885
>wirh

I always found Grasscutter over rated. Not that it isn't good, just that Duel at Kitanoji and Fathers and Sons are better.

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>>94213628
tomoe is so BEST even sakai lewding her

>>94229891
I like her crazy wolf bitch half sister who for sure is going to crash the wedding.

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>>94225356
>that one parody comic where some bear goes around killing what he deems to be TMNT clones
>kills Usagi, because he needs a sword I guess
>no skull bubble
That was such a huge missed opportunity.

>>94215195
I wasn't aware that was out yet. I better check in with my LCS to make sure they got it, or that I'll be getting a copy when it comes out.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles\Usagi Yojimbo One-Shot Storytime:

>>94197364

Amazon has two of the Saga hardcovers available for like 50 canuckbucks combined. Debating whether I should cop em, I already have them in paperback

>>94225129
All those classic Samurai films are heavily based around historical stories though

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>>94229891
>implying Tomoe
>ever

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>>94213628
>read Grasscutter
>"There is no way it can get better than this.
>It does.
>mfw

>>94213628
But... but /co/ adores Usagi.

It's one of the few things we all can agree on.

>>94236490
Yes, all of us, we can all agree on this. All less-than-60 of us. On a board of thousands.

>>94213628
really enjoyed reading this as a kid, then i learned about the furry fandom and it was partly ruined for me

>>94213628
I started this thread yesterday. How is it still here????

>>94219788
Strontium Dog

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>>94229891

Frankly I prefer Chizu

>>94237725

Ja?

also I feel like Popeye would say it Sammy Rye

Also I just realized I made a correction regarding Popeye's speech and am going to go kill myself.

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>>94236907
My ronin!

I like both main girls a lot, but Chizu is adorable when she drops her hard exterior when Usagi is around.

By the way, how many times did they kiss so far? Five?

>>94229891
>implying lewd
This is second closest to showing a female's boob the official art has ever got and it is still super conservative. This is also why nobody considers Stan a furfag.

>just bought the first Gallery Edition

Holy shit this is bigger than I was expecting. It is cool as all hell to see the pages the size Stan worked on them though. It's my second favourite "artists edition" second only to my Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck.

>>94238252
>By the way, how many times did they kiss so far? Five?

At least one of which was Usagi kissing her

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>>94238718

Goddamn, you ain't shitting me

>>94238827
Oh wow, this is huge. Does it offer something else than big pages, though?

>>94238827
I know right? It's hefty!

>>94238910
https://www.comicbookdaily.com/collecting-community/bound-together/review-usagi-yojimbo-samurai-and-other-stories-gallery-edition/

>After the stories we’re treated to a Gallery, with covers, roughs, sketches, and unused art.

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So how bout that new TMNT crossover

Makes me want a proper Usagi series even more

>>94215604

A few years ago, there was a storytime thread every Friday for the entire series.

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Stan did a signing a few weeks ago that fell on our anniversary weekend, so I surprised my husband with a trip down to San Diego for it. Had a great weekend and spent way too much money at the comic art museum.

Got this original piece of Jei, and Stan signed and sketched our gallery edition.

It was a little sad though, as Eastman was there too and even though there was a huge crowd very few people seemed to know who Stan was or give a shit about him... they all just wanted to suck Eastmen's cock.

>>94239513
Because Eastman's creation the TMNT is better known courtesy of easily accessible cartoons and a chunk of theatrical movies. People do NOT read comics.

If Stan isn't willing to sell out and milk his creation in many shitty cartoons and mediocre movies, no one will care about Usagi and no one will care about him. People do not read comics and never will.

>>94232609
Boris the Bear is fucking hilarious, shame it's never been collected.

>>94239063
>proper Usagi series
Unless Stan wants to waive some rights over, no company will invest. Suits are greedy fucks.

>>94239642
>>94239513
Yeah, Stan loves his creation way too much to give some corporate fuckers creative control. Integrity has a price, though.

>>94239642

I still feel like he could be more well known. I have nothing but respect for any artist that retains some fraction of integrity but I think nowadays especially he could probably work out something to get a series going

>>94229821
Duel at Kitanoji showed how screwed the samurai system was. Master swordsmen should have killed bandits and invaders instead of each other just to prove who was better. But that's the consequence of peacetime under Tokugawa.

>>94239909

Id argue damn near every other chapter showed how fucked the samurai system could be. It seems damn near every day someone has to kill themselves, throw their kid off a cliff or some other fucked shit.

>>94239801
Tough situation, not every series created is something like Over The Garden Wall where it obviously doesn't have any toyetic angle or acts as a commercial for merchandise.

And something like Usagi Yojimbo is going to have a hard time making a case for itself. Once your average person or suit hears "anthro rabbit" they instantly will think shit for kids like Kung Fu Panda, Thundercats, Sly Cooper, or the worst of the bunch, Sonic the Hedgehog (and I still think Sonic Boom is trash since it's comedy comes from acknowledging that Sonic and Sega are shit, that doesn't paint a positive picture).

Basically Stan's main creation is stuck in limbo.

>>94216109
Usagi Yojimbo special edition

>>94240060
>Sega are shit

Yeah Sega are so shit that when they saw people making fan games of their properties they hired them on the spot and helped make their big fan game a reality.

Fuck you.

>>94240104
Fuck you. It shows they don't got any internal talent when they rely on fucking fans who make rom hacks for fan games. It really show Sonic Team is trash.

>>94213628
Im so glad i meet stan last year.

>>94240156
And also before I forget the novelty of playing Classic Sonic has expired. Sonic Forces has no business doing this crap, but hey here we are. Sonic truly is garbage. Once people tire of milking Classic Sonic it will be the end of that nonsense and Sega will have less chance to milk the hedgehog.

And enabling the stupid fanbase to make their own Original Characters in Forces is fucking stupid. Hope it bites them in the ass down the line.

>>94240185
>No one should be allowed to have fun the way I don't them too

yeah yeah, you're complimentary Switch is in the mail

>>94240185
I know it feels good to point out the obvious, but you don't have to jerk yourself off over it. Kids and manchildren will like what they like, and Usagi Yojimbo threads will float on the edge of obscurity until an act of God makes all-age anthro media mainstream.

The majority of /co/ doesn't read comics. Marvel/DC stuff is easy to find and shitpost about.

>>94240176
Same anon here, I meet him in Phoenix comic con. And i geek out in front of him, introduced him to my friends. And i bought a sketch from him. I wanted to buy an original water color painting for five hundred, but the service was down.

>>94225356
Yeah, it's really unique.

>>94240287
at least this way we avoid most trolls

>>94219788
Dredd himself is quite well known, but the rest of 2000ad is certainly pretty obscure. Though /tg/ knows more about them than /co/, thanks to the semi regular storytimes over there.

>>94239513
Does Stan tour the con circuit at all? He's pretty much the one guy I'd shell cash out for a signing.

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This is kind of out there but did Usagi ever get a Japanese release? Maybe an anime?

Though I guess they may actually be put off by how Stan tends to undo a lot of the Romanticism of that era

>>94239063

I love it, but the voice acting takes some getting used to.

Jei didn't sound spoopy enough imo.

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>>94229466

>Cael

My typing is shit, but you gotta relax.

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>>94234285

>94198882

>I really liked Jei's head action in this. Nice way of making him seem eerie without overdoing it.

Jei's head action was 10/10 in this one. Is this canon though? Is Jei gonna be looking for a new body again? Guess poor Hama didn't last very long.

Also the Sasuke-cameo was nice.

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>>94216159
The one volume edition actually got reprinted a couple of years ago, but it seems the only place to get it now is Fantagraphics' site (Amazon only seems to have it from resellers going waaay over price). It's $75 and not a bad deal at all.

It's really good. It's huge and the paper quality's really nice. Definitely the best place to start since the Dark Horse books continue right after this leads off. I'm really glad I waited for it to come out instead of scouring eBay for years for the first printing (Which are still crazy expensive)

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>>94238252

Usagi and Chizu can never be though. She is designated for suffering.

I'm only emotionally invested in the inevitably succesful Gen/Kitsune ship. Everthing else will end in tears.

>>94242140

No. No I think it can work. I mean for starters, they really get on. Also I really want it too.

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>>94242211
>Also I really want it too.
>wanting happy endings

Stan is a nice guy but he will lull you into a false sense of security EVERY TIME.

haha happy adventures with grandma

Okay. since I'm sure there are people here who know more about Japan than I do, I have a question - why do samurai have these cloth bindings around their waists? What purpose does that serve?

>>94242894
To literally bind their cloths? You could even let a sword hang from there.

>>94242985

No, I mean underneath their clothes.

>>94238326
>This is also why nobody considers Stan a furfag.
He was very close to participating in one of those early x-rated furry anthologies but working on Space Usagi kept him from doing so.

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>>94243256

Yikes. He might have dodged a bullet there.

Besides, his qts are cuter with clothes on anyway.

>>94243291
It's very obscure anyway and after making a name for yourself, people don't give a shit about what you did in the past. I wonder what it could have been to have genuine porn made by Stan "The Man" Sakai.

>>94243327

I imagine it would still be rather innocent. Can't imagine Stan drawing any really hardcore stuff. Despite his Japanese roots.

>>94243256
Ironically he did fanart for Satoshi Urushihara's Chirality

>>94243480
You can just serve that without sauce...

>>94241845
I actually started with first four Saga volumes and only then got to buy Fantagraphics collection. It didn't make much difference in understanding the story (which shows how great of a storyteller Stan is), but reading the earlier volumes allowed me to understand some characters better.

I of course recommend reading everything.

>>94242140
Hey, I wrote that! I am so happy someone saved it!

>>94242211
I'm with you anon, but >>94242827 is so very right it hurts...

>>94243839

It's a great summary for threads like these. I always forgot about the bat girl. RIP.

Well, at least Usagi doesn't have the worst love life - yet. Sasuke's is worse, I'd say.

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>>94244002

Awesome.

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I really loved space Usagi. I hope Stan does more of it in the future.

>>94244201

Holy shit, nobody skipped leg day.

>>94243971
>Sasuke
>My wife is either evil, all-powerful or dead, I can't take it anymore!
Such is life of a servant of Shôki.

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>>94244330

Poor guy.

>ded kid
>ebil wife
>Shoki's bitch for eternity

Shoki seems like an awful master.

>>94244360
>snake cult in the north

Sasuke/Conan crossover when?

>>94244360
For evil to win, good only needs to do nothing.

Shoki and his followers know no rest, because neither do the wicked. It's an awfully tiring life of constant strife, but none of them will resign till they can draw breath and even that may be not enough to stop them from fighting dark forces.

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>>94244360

>notes a snake cult in the north and an evil tree
>doesn't notice Jei murdering people left and right
>even though dis nigga took Grasscutter once
>only mentions Jei once and says he's 'no longer a threat'
>doesn't realise he body hops all the time

Shoki you are super bad at this

like

how

>>94244478
Asian gods are rarely all-knowing. Or perhaps Jei is a constant, an element of good-evil, ying-yang balance which cannot be truly removed.

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>>94225356

Usually it is done in a more cartoony/innocent form to show exhaustion, but Yojimbo is one of the few that has it done in a serious tone

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>>94244473

Stan, is that you?

>>94240302
Judging by the common threads here, it looks like it's quite the opposite: the majority of /co/ reads comics far more than it watches cartoons.

>>94225220
>Lone Wolf and Cub
Any connection to the episode "Lone Raph and Cub" from TMNT? Googled it but couldn't find any solid info.

>>94244914
You can't be serious.

>>94245014
I'm completely serious. Cartoons get the same boring threads reposted over and over again, and not even many of those. While comics constantly have serious, in-depth discussions.

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>>94242894
They're called sarashi. They serve as mild armor (decently effective since Japanese sword technique doesn't emphasis thrusting) and if their midsection is injured, provide a sort of binding to the wound. If cut badly in the gut, a sarashi could save its owner's life by keeping his intestines from falling out.

You will also see them on depictions of delinquent school boys from the 1950s and '60s (bancho) and parodies/callbacks to them. The mild armor effect is more important when fists and sticks are the main weapons, and there's always the social effect ("Look at what a badass I am!").

You will also see them used as a brassiere by female characters, especially tomboyish ones.

>>94244949
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_Wolf_and_Cub

/spoonfeed

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>>94245046

Oh wow, thanks for the answer anon! That's been bugging me for a long time.

Have a rare fight.

>>94245083
Did you not read my post to the end? I couldn't find any mention of a TMNT connection in that article.

>>94245095
Doesn't even mention Usagi's constant homage and expected them to list everything that makes a small reference to it? Do you come from tvtropes or something?

>>94245155
I've never read that comic so I have no clue what you're talking about with the constant homage part. But no, I didn't expect them to list everything, that's why I asked here instead of complaining on the talk page there or something.

>>94245184

Different anon, but I think it's safe to assume that everything called 'Lone X and X' is a hommage to Lone Wolf and Cub.

>>94245224
Okay, let me clarify: I'm asking what exactly is referenced in terms of plot. Because from the brief plot summary I got from Wikipedia (didn't read the long one so as not to spoil myself in case I ever decide to read the comic) I don't see much of a similarity.

>>94245243
Why does it HAVE to reference the plot?

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>>94245243

I don't follow TNMT so I don't know about the episode.

In Usagi, it's more the basic premise that is used (dad and son betrayed, are now assassins on the run) than the whole plot of the LWaC series, as far as I know.

>>94243584
Sadly I cannot find the pic. Stupid 404

>>94245292
If you're just referencing the title but not the plot of something, you're probably being dumb as fuck

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>>94245631

Did you seriously come here to bash a comic you never read while comparing it to another comic you never read?

>>94245672
Bash? No.

Discuss? Yes, to some extent.

>>94245678
You're not discussing anything, you'e making stupid questions and inane statements.

>>94245672
He's bashing the TMNT episode.

>>94245699
I told you, I'm not bashing anything!

>>94245699
>He's bashing the TMNT episode.

Ah, sorry.

>>94245678

Look, just read the comics. Until you actually read a bit there's not much to discuss.

The appearances of Lone Goat and Cub in Usagi are limited to certain issues, so you don't have to read the whole series, you can just read those if you're interested in them.

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>>94245732

>Cub

Kid, dammit.

>>94245729
You just claimed TMNT is "being dumb as fuck" simply because of the title of an episode.

>>94245769
Oh dear.

Wow, I was always under the impression Usagi Yojimbo was something that ended a couple decades ago. I saw a volume (probably 1) at the bookstore the other day. If it's still there I guess that'll be my starting point

>>94246024

It's actually better than ever, anon. And it's a good time to start reading because new saga editions are coming out collecting several trades a piece.

>>94246024
It's a bit confusing at first but what you probably saw was Usagi Yojimbo Saga Volume 1, where it starts at the beginning of the Dark Horse run where they began at #1 despite the continuity not getting rebooted. Check out the Wikipedia article, it gives a pretty detailed run down of how the books are collected. Simplest way to explain it is if you want to start reading from that then feel free, or if you want to read from the very beginning look for Usagi Yojimbo The Special Edition, which has everything before Dark Horse.

Part of the reason why it's underappreciated is a lack of controversy or self promotion. Stan keeps to himself for the most part; he diligently works on his comic and not much else. For the comic itself, there's no bullshit. He doesn't use it to shock readers or as a way to preach some kind of political agenda. He's a storyteller that pursues themes that interest him but does it with thought and tact.

It doesn't get much promotion on sites like CBR because it doesn't tow a line either way. The comics outlets cant use UY for some kind of activist purpose. You can't get a clickbait article out of YU; it's too awesome for that.

>>94246474

This is true.

It's a blessing and a curse. More of a blessing though.

I just wish DH could have gotten one huge promo going for the Saga editions. I mean, they should be in every comic store in Western Yurope, and they're not. That's such a shame.

>>94246533
Poland here. We only get trades, not much later after they come out overseas. Good print, translations are fine too. But I still would suggest getting Saga or original trades instead. Why?

Lettering. Few can compare to Stan, and sadly it is a very overlooked art.

>>94246829

Ah, I didn't know you got translations. We have no translations here (Netherlands), but all trades and saga editions are available through a big Dutch webshop.

Unfortunately, there is almost nothing in stores, no merch either. That's a real shame.

Goodnight Yojimbros.

>>94245672
Of course.

>>94245089

I feel like this would end with both of them getting killed with Yagi tanking that spear long enough to cut Jei down to the latter's disbelief and confirming his son is alright before dropping dead.

Then it'd be time for Jeigen.

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>>94250428

I'm not sure Gorogoro would be okay by himself. I don't know what the pre-modern Japan equivalent of autism is, but the kid has it. Maybe Keiko would take care of him. Although Keiko is also....yikes.

>JeiGen

Pls don't break my heart again Stan.

>>94215195
I'm not up to date, but I was miffed when it seemed like they were playing it up like a first meeting between the two parties when we've already had that happen.

Unless this is like a one-shot or something, or at least Usagi recognizes them if they're the new Turtles

>>94250595

Usagi recognizes them, but they don't recognize Usagi. The previous meeting is heavily referenced, don't worry.

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>>94241651

The lack of Keiko and Jei putting more planning than usual into this makes me think this was probably non-canon. Jei being blown to bits doesn't really matter much though since that happened in his first appearance and he was just fine in his next appearance. His first body was destroyed by Grasscutter and he was evicted from Inazuma by Sanshobo.

Though, if it is canon, it also suggests Kakera is part of Shoki's organization as well.

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>>94250595

>>94250595
It's 100% in continuity with both Usagi and TMNT(multiverse).

>>94250491

I think Gorogoro's just mute more than anything else. He's actually pretty resourceful.

>Pls don't break my heart again Stan.

Jei has passed up multiple opportunities to kill Gen since wounding him. I think Gen even commented on that in Curse of the Black Soul.

>>94244201
Agreed. Damn shame we never got much else except that failed pilot.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BXIvc6JjX7e/?taken-by=tmnt

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>>94250702
>it also suggests Kakera is part of Shoki's organization as well.

I wonder if they have regular meetings. Where they all sit around and act super mystical and intense and completely mirthless.

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>>94250789

HYPE HYPE

>>94250647
Oh cool. That should be fun then.

>>94250802

I'd like to see Usagi go to one of those just to see his reaction. Half of the meeting would be people talking about things somebody else knows without anybody present ever mentioning it.

>>94250702
>>94250802
I think if they ever got together it'd be a good idea to run as fast and as far as you can, because some serious fucking shit is gonna go down.

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>>94250895

Yeah, I don't think Usagi will ever get over that whole mindreading thing.

Which, to be honest, is pretty fucking rude, Sasuke.

>>94250937

No anon, it's fine. You just take out the legion of 10.000 demons, and they'll focus on the big bad. Easy!

>>94250982
Oh, is that all? Seems I have nothing to worry about after all!

>>94250789
I hope we get to talk about that. We rarely get so much Usagi stuff to talk about.

>>94250702
Yeah did Stan just forget about Keiko?

Also the I feel IDW Turtles didn't show off their personalities much except Leo, or rather their IDW-ness in general - no mention that they're reincarnations of samurai this time.

>>94251075

Let's just make a dedicated thread.

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>>94251090

>forgetting about the perfect childfu

I'm sure Jei put her in a village somewhere cause he didnt want her hanging around with all those ruffians. He's a good uncle.

>>94251175
Of course. You think he'd let his innocent hang around such evil that he wasn't already in the process of killing?

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>>94251248

Damn right! Innocents are for protecting.

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>>94244330
>>My wife is either evil, all-powerful or dead, I can't take it anymore!

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>>94251385
>tfw you will never have a cool uncle who will take you on an evil purging pilgrimage

>>94251175
>>94251385
I feel like I should be hearing music from 'The Shining' every time this guy shows up

>>94252255

I had an uncle who drank and carried a hunting rifle everywhere

>>94252518
I mean considering his name you'd think his theme would be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t5L1BoF_6s

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>anytime Youkai showed up
I really have to hand it to Sakai for making them actually creepy as fuck and something to be avoided than fought.

Isn't that the Ninja Turtle bunny?

>>94244401

It's actually just Hebi's family and Shoki is being a dick.

They keep moving around to try and find some peace but noooooooo.