Post talented but crazy /co/ creators, /co/.

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>>94185275
there's nothing "crazy" about him

he's just a pedophile, simple as that

>>94185275
Does Byrne even do anything nowadays? Yes, he's an insane crank but I do love his artwork.

>>94185275
>The Amazing Atheist
>talented

I really, really, really like this image.

>>94185308
he does a photo comic at IDW called Star Trek New Visions

>>94185275
Robert Crumb, though I wouldn't go far to say he's crazy, just mentally ill.

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>>94185385
Jesus Christ this is sad to look at.

He could draw this comic standing on his head, why is it fucking photomanipulations?

>>94185308
He mostly does commissions these days. Not particularly good ones, either.

>>94185849
It'd sell better if it had his art. The dude is still popular. I guess IDW wanted a photo comic.

>>94185849
Because he's an autistic super fan who always thought the Star Trek comics were bad because the art didn't 100% look like the actors, so he's doing a photo comic.

>>94186892
Why not just trace them?

Mark Waid.

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>>94185275
No, I'm not baiting, he's a legit great writer. However, he seems to have alot of repressed issues that hold him back.

>>94187087
Nick "The Jackal of Jerusalem" Spencer
Nick "One Man Klan" Spencer
Nick "Everything Will Be All White" Spencer
Nick "If Its Not White, Shoot on Sight" Spencer
Nick "Four Reichs and You Are Out" Spencer

>>94187087
What makes him crazy exactly?

>>94187222
See this >>94187140
he is a white supremacist like every other wh*te "liberal"

>>94187289
>wh*te

>>94185443
Why do you think people overlook his horrifyingly racist art? Back in college I took an Outsider Arts class and no one was fazed by Crumb but bring up Darger and his dick girls and suddenly everything is politicized.

>>94187400
wh*te is a dirty word.

>>94185306
context?

>>94187428
>white supremacist
>wh*te

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>>94185306
everyone that worked on power pack was a pedo desu

they drew those girls asses way too defined

>>94187469
nothing wrong with that

>>94187289
proof?

>>94187501
the reboot dropped it, that was wrong

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Neal Adams, believes in the hollow Earth theory.

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I genuinely think that all of the great comic writers have been eccentric. Honestly, all great artists in any medium are usually at least a little bit out there. It is that uniqueness of experience that comes from being a little strange that allows a person to make art. To widen that out, people of higher intelligence (and thus creativity) generally have some odd idiosyncracies, as well as there being a direct correlation between intelligence and things like minor mental disorders, alcohol and drug use, desire to experience new and different things, how much a person travels in their life, preference for alternate lifestyles or beliefs, and other things that "average" people find strange or unusual. Just by the fact that you and I are nerds on this internet website that are interested in weird comic book writers makes us not average.

Personally though, I absolutely love Grant Morrison and everything he has done. He has always been an inspiration to me and I feel that he has a very interesting perspective on life that my perspective overlaps with.

>>94185306
Is that bendis

Shadman

>>94186934
I remember reading that he likes to draw in black marker these days; maybe the lines end up being too thick

>>94188529
He's not really talented, or crazy. He's just edgy.

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>>94185275
Obligatory

>>94188729
I mean Moore knows the snake god he worships is fake, he just does it for kicks.

>>94188500
>>94188729
Aren't these two in some sort of wizard battle or some shit?

>>94187674
It's literally the only bad thing about him though, the man is a nonstop font of solid art advice and great drawings.

>>94186532
Got any examples?

>>94186758
>>94186892
God dammit John.

>>94188791
>Dumbledore vs Voldemort

>>94187501
no the problem was it needed more

>>94188791

It's really more on Alan's part than anything, he is a bitter old man and tries to attack Grant through subtle sigils and rituals in his stories (which is one of the ways they believe magic works, through fiction, read Promethea and the Invisibles) all the time, because he feels like Grant copied alot of what he was doing but got better deals with the publishers (because Grant is a nice person and easy to work with, unlike Alan). Grant seems to have gotten over the whole feud years ago.

>>94187536
Remember the Bombshells? That is the kind of shit the KKK would write

Literally every wh*te liberal is a fascist terrorist: look at Emmanuel Macron and Justin Trudeau.

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>>94185275
I'd consider Ellis to be a bit off his rocker, but dammit, I wouldn't want him any other way.

>>94185849
Is it bad that I actually New visions it's a fun read and the photo manipulation shit isn't half bad even if John's a ful blown autist

>>94188791
>someone writes an entire comic on this premise

my dick can only get so erect

>>94189918

Ellis is not really "crazy" he just has a very specific niche of knowledge that most people are not familiar with. Alot of his ideas come from fairly renowned cultural academics. Hell, Doctor Sleepless basically takes straight from Nick Land and other people like him.

>>94186892

Yeah, that sounds like him

>>94190068

Nick Land isn't culturally renowned and Doktor Sleepless was really fucking bad. Ellis is getting worse with age, and its blatantly obvious.

>>94190068
I agree with you, but I just wanted to shill out for Warren Ellis.

>>94190811
>Nick Land not culturally renowned
>Doktor Sleepless was bad

Okay, we get it, you like to dickride on mainstream cultural references and memes.

>>94189981
If I could draw I would totally make a comic about the Great Wizard War between Moore and Morrison with a sweet Millar subplot and cameos from other writers/artists.

>>94191119

Milligan would be a minor mage on Morrison's side while Neil Gaiman would be a neutral Metron-like figure.

>>94191067
how on earth can something be renowned and not be mainstream, there's a completely linear relationship between the two

We're over 50 posts in, and nobody has brought up Dave Sim?

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>>94185275
Neal Adams believes that the earth is expanding

>>94191187
From what I've read, the rest of the big five British writers (Gaiman, Ellis, Ennis) like both Moore and Morrison and just stay out of the feud. I could picture Ennis siding with Morrison though.

>>94186440
Isn't Rosa just an obsessed mega fan? Like, nothing on the level of Byrne in terms of weirdness.

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>tfw you can tell exciting stories and still flawlessly inject your personal fetishes into them

>>94191277
put in a shocking twist when Millar betrays his former friend and joins Moore

>>94191067

Warren Ellis doesn't understand a lot of things he writes about most of the time, and Doktor Sleepless is a prime example of that, that's why it was bad. Not only was it bad, but Sterling tackled most of these issues in Shizmatrix almost 40 years ago, and it was actually an interesting book.

Nick Land isn't "renowned" anywhere except in the Dark Enlightment LARP and /lit/ Trolley Problem memes.

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>>94188912
>>94188791

>>94191240
/co/ only reads big two.

>>94192025
What didn't he understand?

>>94191869
Millar is basically following Moore's path these days with his reconstructions and genuinely joyful comics

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Okay, maybe not talented, but certainly crazy.

After reading Young Liars I assume Lapham is nuts

>>94193305
how so? he literately was a hired stooge who got gigs too big for his britches and then was run out of the industry because of autistic Xfags

>>94191277
Ennis is friends with Moore tho

>>94191370
Bumping question cause I want to know if there's juice now.

>>94193729
Bump

>>94194367
One last try

>>94187428
but white mean clean and pure. black and brown mean poopy and dirty.

>>94187674
Love most of his art, some of his writing, and fully appreciate his craft and that he cares so much about the medium just this weekend Scott Snyder (who I'm not the biggest fan of) recounted Neal interupting a conversation Scott was having with one of the editorial dudes to plug an artist he saw.

I respect the ever loving fuck out of that. And it's not a one off. The dude cares.

>>94185306
Oh if only it were the pedophilia. There's plenty, plenty more wrong with Byrne.

>>94188894
Only thing I don't like about Neal's art is how he draws people running. It's very stiff, almost Fallout OC posture. Other than that he's still multitudes better than 90 percent of the shit we see weekly.

>>94195620
I don't know enough about the pedo claim but from what I understand it's based on him likening transexuality and pedophilia? As in "if we let fags sex it up whats to stop us from letting pedos do the same?"

I read the forum posts so I don't need a refresher. That was what I got from that. But was there some other instance that he was more in favor of it? Cause if that's the crux of the argument than I think it's more likely he should be a "bigot" in peoples minds rather than a pedo.

>>94186440
>Obsessed with Duke to the point where he's openly aggressive about a child's TV show
>Made one of the best comic stories of its time

God bless Rosa

>>94195685
So pretty much it was just a SJW defense force shaming a man for not agreeing with their faggot shit.

Why does /co/ hate Byrne again?

>>94193324
Remember Nurse Annie from his X-Men run? Austen based her on one of his wives. But he doesn't remember on which one. It's either 4th or 5th. Honestly, read some of his interviews. Dude doesn't understand why people hated rape cult from his Action Comics run.

>>94195824
He once claimed characters should never change from the second they were created. Dan Slott actually came to his forums to point out that Byrne changed some characters significantly himself. At which point Byrne started ranting and one of the posters claimed that Spider-Man was never good after Lee left. Honestly, just read Byrne's forum. It's like /co/, but even more autistic.

>>94196005
My major contention is just that there's no basis for calling him a pedophile other than him equating trannies and pedos.

that /co/ of all places parrots that shit is despicable. Only /co/mblr fags should think this and they should be ridiculed for it.

Further mor Slott needs to blow his brains out, he has ruined Spidey, and Byrne is right most characters should be similar to how they started. He was literally tasked with changing characters so that's why he did so.

I love his Shulkie. I'm not really THAT well verse in his DC years in all honesty, fairly familiar at best, but I just get sick of seeing him ripped for being a pedophile when he simply had a very normal opinion that trannies are degenerate in their actions.

>>94196112
His Shulkie has nothing in common with original She-Hulk that was weird example of Synergy with TV Show. He pretty much remade Sue Storm. He literally asked DC to let him reboot Superman's origin and supporting cast.

>>94196199
Okay let me just say it again. And I'll keep it simple.

I don't give a fuck. Comic fans hat people for comic shit all the time.

You refuse to respond to my comment about him not being a pedo.

>>94188894
>Got any examples?

Take your pick

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=16

>>94196112
>My major contention is just that there's no basis for calling him a pedophile other than him equating trannies and pedos.
And all of the shit he peppers in his stories and drawings. Superman kissing underage Lana for instance.

>>94196970
Or Superman and Barda making a porn flick. The guy is a bona fide mental case. You only need to check his forum to see that he has serious issues and a gigantic Napoleon complex.

>>94196970
So I'm sure you call Alan Moore a pedophile regularly as well, correct?

>>94197015
How does having them make a porno under mind control make him a pedophile?

>>94197015
And that was because Jack Kirby was pushing for creator rights, and Bryne got mad enough to write a story about the character Kirby based on his wife being effectively raped via mind control.

>>94197163
And lest we forget Kirby drew him as a spineless character in one of his comics.

>>94188729
Alan Moore and Charles Manson are Gabdalf and Saruman

>>94197123
>How does having them make a porno under mind control make him a pedophile?

It's not that hard.

He established a similarity between transgenders and pedophiles, and he suggested that we are just taking the first step along a road that leads to pedophiles being socially accepted.

If he thinks that it is a good thing that both trans people and pedophiles are socially accepted, he thinks there is nothing intrinsically wrong with having sex with children. That puts him, at worst, as a pedophile enabler.

If he thinks that current social movements are a bad thing, he is, at best, transphobic.

Pick your poison. Also, make sure you tell uncle John you are over here defending him. He loves it when you cucks do that kind of thing.

>>94197728
>If he thinks that current social movements are a bad thing, he is, at best, transphobic.

You saying it like it's a bad thing

>>94197182
Which he is. It speaks volumes that no one wants to work with him, even those that openly idolize him.

>>94197728
>If he thinks that it is a good thing that both trans people and pedophiles are socially accepted, he thinks there is nothing intrinsically wrong with having sex with children. That puts him, at worst, as a pedophile enabler.

His point was the opposite. That trannies are degenerates. Which is why he compared them pedophiles.

I don't see transphobic as a pick your poison thing. And he's not called trasnphobic around here. I don't deny he may be. But there is no indication other than trannies calling him a pedophile instead of transphobic because it was more damaging and furthers the idea that they are "normal".

literally word for word:

>As so often happens in our Society, the pendulum has swung, and as it usually does it has swung further in one direction than the other. Thus, in the last hundred years or so, we have gone from being incredibly narrow and restrictive in matters sexual — incarcerating homosexuals, for instance — to stretching perhaps a little too far to be “all encompassing.”

>I understand the biological processes that can happen in utero, which are considered by some to be the cause of “transgender” individuals, but, as some have noted, the jury is still out on whether this creates a genuine condition or a mental illness.

>>94185275
Who's the Michael Kirkbride of /co/?

>>94198161
We disagree on this, but I 100 percent agree that it's a reason to dislike him. It's just not a reason to parrot some baseless meme that he's a pedophile.

Even TMS called him transphobic knowing that implying he was a pedophile would lead to an immediate lawsuit.

>>94191370
He sold his families company so he could draw 10 page duck comics

>>94198535
>Even TMS called him transphobic knowing that implying he was a pedophile would lead to an immediate lawsuit

Geez, on top of a Byrne-cuck, you are also a mind reader.

>>94199066
It just makes no sense that we've allowed /co/mblr to have it's way with this meme. Faggots only turned here to post the libel they wish they could post publicly.

>>94199205
>*its

Careful. That is the kind of shit that will get you banned in PedoByrne's forum.

>>94199363
And yet he still wouldn't be a pedophile.

>>94196112
>Pedophiles are almost certainly "born that way". Again, we go to evolutionary conditioning. Seek the youngest, strongest, most healthy, for breeding purposes. A sure (or as sure as it gets) way to guarantee the survival of your genes. Pedophilia also brings along a big heaping helping of learned responses, however. In a society like ours, where "normal" sex is considered by many to be filthy and disgusting, "abnormal" sex is of course even moreso. "Abnormal" in this case meaning anything—even simple physical attraction—that is not "age-appropriate", heterosexual, and strictly for procreation. Preferably missionary position. Thus, any confused individual who finds himself attracted to young girls is likely to find himself attracted to increasingly younger girls, as part of his pattern of self-loathing. So much emotional torment—in victims and victimizers—would surely be set aside if our society was sexually liberated enough to even be able to say "Sure, it's okay to be attracted to eleven year olds. Just don't do anything about it!"

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>>94199521

Who posted this thread over to Byrne robotics?

>>94191240
He's not crazy. He's perfectly reasonable and just very fucking depressed.

>>94199979
Maybe not crazy, but isn't he legitimately schizophrenic?

>>94199729
It in relation to their mental health.
Someone said:
>As it currrently stands, we don't have enough scientific knowledge to truly understand what causes people to be transgender or how it works.What we do know is that it's a very difficult experience for those people, there's a lot of social stigma around it and many resort to suicide. So it's best to be respectful - live and let live.

he says:

>A REALLY hard question, then: Many people are tortured and driven by a desire to have sex with children. Our society frowns on this, and such people are considered mentally ill. We do not accommodate them, we do not respect them.

>How is being "transgender" different? Given all the twists and turns that have happened in our general understanding of how the brain and mind work -- still a work in progress -- how difficult is it to imagine a future in which it will be determined without doubt that "transgender" is, indeed, a mental illness? How will we feel about all those people who, instead of actually helping them, we encouraged in a program of self-mutilation?

The entire conversation was "why is Jenner being celebrated for being in drag, expecially if she's keeping her penis." This then moved to "tranny's should be allowed to do what they want because it isn't mental illness" (my note:it is). He says "well if you want to spare them and allow them to mutilate their genitals why don't you stop telling people that are also sexual deviants and attracted to kids that they aren't inherently evil. That the act is the evil not the mental state."

As in "it isn't right, and they DEFINITELY shouldn't be able to act upon these compulsions, but that they face the same stigmas. And if the public really cared about mental health and societal betterment they'd stop forcing those people to hide which only creates a circle of self loathing and strengthens their deviancy by making it more taboo."

its an academic conversation he isn't saying "damn when do i get to touch kids"

>>94199855
I refer you to my post questioning whether you consider Alan Moore a pedophile.

>>94200054
>well if you want to spare them and allow them to mutilate their genitals why don't you stop telling people that are also sexual deviants and attracted to kids that they aren't inherently evil.

>aren't inherently evil
should have been
>are inherently evil

went back to edit the sentence and fucked it up.

>>94200054
>academic conversation


Hahahaha. Good one. "Academic conversation".

Dude, just give it up. Byrne has some dark, dark thoughts about young women.

>>94200146
I'm guessing you're the same type of person who REEEs when a white guy says "nigger" instead of "the n-word" when speaking about the word.

>>94188500
>To widen that out, people of higher intelligence (and thus creativity) generally have some odd idiosyncracies, as well as there being a direct correlation between intelligence and things like minor mental disorders, alcohol and drug use,
Isn't it a crime to admit this nowadays?

>>94200146
Actually, no. I'm a guy who works in academia and laughs at so-called experts talking about shit they don't understand and calling it an "academic conversation".

>>94200225
"Academic" doesn't mean "correct" or even "smart". You clearly work in a fucking high school at best if you can't grasp what he was saying. It's not fucking difficult faggot.

"Academia" lol

Teaching tards how to throw dodgeballs doesn't count.

>>94200195
No. It's just Johnny boy trying to tell the world that his bullshit opinions are a result of how creative and intelligent he is. And since he is perfectly aware he is a fucking weirdo asshole shunned by basically everybody, that must mean he is a freaking genius, smarter than Einstein and more creative than Leonardo da Vinci.

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>>94185275

>>94200274
Wrong again, bucko.

Academic conversation means a conversation that happens in academic circles, by people that have some actual knowledge on the topic. They might disagree, but at least their knowledge does not come from "some shit I read once and my extrapolations that I pulled out of my ass".

Hows is that GRE education working out for you? Still pretending you are something you are not because you took Intro to Philosophy at your local community college? You know those don't count in the real world, right?

>>94187013
>>94187087
>talented

>>94200348
No, academic conversation is simply speculative. It does not necessarily have anything to do with academia of which you clearly not actually part of.

I always wondered what gym teachers did on their off hour. Apparently they like to act, ineptly, as if they aren't completely retarded online.

>>94200432
Aha. So, according to you, an academic journal of physics or math is pure speculation.Boy, you are dumb even by /co/ standards.

Why am I not surprised that someone from the Byrne forums has no basic comprehension skills or knowledge on how the real world works?

Good luck. I hope you get a pat on your head from your master for this awesome display of stupidity you've put on here.

>>94200521
Tell me, seriously. How educated are you? What level of "academia" are you a part of? What's your field?

Are you the "marine biologist" that pops on here periodically?

I mean seriously dude, you're acting as if you're the educated on here while reducing a word to a single meaning in order for your "academic HAHAHA" post to make sense. You're wrong. I can't actually believe the lack of self-awareness it takes to say something as flawed as "Academic conversation means a conversation that happens in academic circles" as the finite meaning of the word.

>>94187469

Little girls do have defined asses, m8.

>>94199855

Someone shared something I made! I love you!

>>94191187
gerard way is moz's young apprentice

>>94199963
Wot?

>>94185275
>That shitty TD

>>94196199
>His Shulkie has nothing in common with original She-Hulk that was weird example of Synergy with TV Show.

What TV show?

>>94196112
>>94198535
I'm going to double down on libelous Byrne posting now that I know someone is pushing this narrative. Time to start dusting off classics.

>>94195940
that's pretty based though

Rucka identifies as a lesbian

>>94197123
>call Alan Moore a pedophile

Why?

>>94200348
You are a huge faggot, why don't you kill yourself.

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>>94197123
Moore could sexualize every little girl he writes and draws for the rest of his life and still couldn't approach the sheer volume of Byrne's creepy dogshit.

In light of that, I have no reason to.

>>94203067
That's Art.

>>94202514
Still doesn't beat giving his editor books about piss fetish, because he thought Havok developing relationship with Iceman after he... created Bobby's new body.

>>94195688
What was that comic story ? I have good grasp n Rosa's work (am finnish) and would like to hear your opinion

>>94203252
No, it's porn. Moore outright says it's porn.

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>>94197163

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>>94204647

>>94204637
Death of the Author.

>>94204158
Don't forget such classics as World Watch and Boys of Summer. He also co-created the CGI cartoon Tripping the Rift and works as an executive producer on Steven Universe.

Make of that what you will.

>alan moore
>thinks living with two women was a good idea
>girlfriend steals his wife

>>94188729
Alan Moore is the sanest person on the planet. He doesn't know much about the world we're living in, though.

>>94204158
that was funny though

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>>94204664
These be savage as fuck.

>>94185275
Byrne was only talented when he was inked by Terry Austin. As a writer he's a mixed bag and hasn't been good since Fantastic Four 30 years ago.

>>94200407
They're good, newfag.

>>94202323
The 70s one with Bill Bixby, though it wasn't synergy in the conventional sense. She-Hulk was basically created so that if NBC tried to make a female lead spin-off in the vein of The Bionic Woman, Marvel would still own the rights.