who is your favourite member of the Endless /co/?

>>94183742
Daniel, the only one who isn't shit.

>>94183742
Killer Frost.

>>94184049
I still don't quite get the motives of Death in the Endless. In fact, Death, Desire, Despair, and Delirium all rely on life to exist for their concepts to exist (I know there's an afterlife in the DCU but I don't know if the concepts have power in the realm of the dead -- in fact, how did Death claim dream, anyway?), but Life is not an Endless.

So, when Death eventually takes all the life in the realm of the living (which, by current DCU scientific standards, should happen eventually, albeit in a long time because the universe will eventually not sustain life and be either abandoned or extinct), wouldn't every Endless but Destiny "die" for lack of a better word? And Time and Night, who are their own classification.

Either Death or Time are, by their nature, destined to destroy half of the Endless because the concepts will cease to exist after heat death.

>>94184595
The Neil Gaiman mini Book of Magic addresses exactly that. At the very end of the universe the last beings will be Destiny and Death. Destiny will close his book and meet his end and Death will lock away the universe.

>>94184595
Yep. Death takes away all her brothers and sisters in the end. Destiny knows that it is the case.

>>94184645
>>94184776
Cool shit; so does Death just retire, more or less? I don't know if beings in the DCU universe can die in the afterlife.

>>94184876
We don't know what happens after that. That's, presumably, just the end of the story. Maybe another story will come along with some new players, but the end is the end. Everyone and everything played their part.

It's why Death is so generally amiable. There's a bit of nihilistic acceptance in the big things once she's accepted her job and why she seems to worry about tiny personal matters more, since those are the only things that matter when the big picture doesn't.

>>94185095
Fair enough. I was just wondering because she leads souls to the afterlife as her job, but I don't know if she goes and annihilates souls as well, or if the afterlife in the DCU is independent of the physical universe.

Unpopular opinion: I don't like any of them and I especially don't like some people's need for them to be THE biggest deal in DC's cosmos.

my favorite is siouxsie sioux but robert smith is cool too

>>94183742
well i feel like despair and destruction were the most relatable
but delirium was the most fun

Destiny.

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>>94184592
>genderfluid

>>94183742
It would be easier for me to name my least favorite of the bunch.
Death is my least favorite. I still like her, though.

>>94185679
Are you having a stroke?

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>tfw you will never rape Delight so good that she becomes Delirium

>>94185309
Underrated

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Delirium is the best

>>94184592
Oh yeah whatever happened with that.

>>94185289
>and I especially don't like some people's need for them to be THE biggest deal in DC's cosmos.
I love them but actually agree with you on this part. The Endless should always operate in the background, sub rosa, just around the corner and between the lines. I would hate to see them gradually become just another bunch of supers.

>>94187416
Well I guess it makes sense if they don't have superuniversal characters like marvel (I don't know if they do). I know in marvel there are characters completely beyond tile and death.

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>>94185095

Death being so kind and compassionate seems to have been a recent (relatively) development for her. In the past that we see in Endless Nights: Heart of a Star, she is absolutely cold and terrifying.

This is one of my favorite Sandman stories honestly, it's so interesting to see the early times of the universe when the Endless were very involved in everything and also how much it ties into DC in general with Rao meeting with Despair and the Oans learning to use willpower to make green fire.

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>>94188369

The New Gods are the same across all universes and as far as I know are beyond even the reach of the Endless. It is why the New Gods have their own embodiment of Death, the Black Racer.

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Underrated

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Dream is an asshole but a likable asshole.
>>94189966
Yeah, but I can't say it's my favorite.

>>94189202
Death goes beyond universe, though. Hell, she visits Lucifer in a separate multiverse at one point, and loses none of her ability. Destiny stands above even the New Gods, and Death will collect him.

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>>94185309
nice

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>>94186227
>tfw you will never make love to Delirium and have her call for her sister Despair

>>94188938
>Endless Nights: Heart of a Star
I have something to read but Death herself said that she cut of her emotions to be cold because thats what she thought was right, this was in her own book

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>>94183742
Desire

that fucking bitch is great

>>94191213
I can't tell, is Desire appearing as a male or female there?

>>94191687
That's the point.

>>94191687
Desire is whatever you want it to be

>>94190900
Apparently according to DCWiki stuff Death can claim whatever in the ordinary multiverse but has no power in the Sphere of Gods. There, the Black Racer can kill the New Gods, but there are certain realms (Heaven, according to the wiki) that outright lack Death because all the people there are either already dead or beyond Death's reach.

>>94192811
>Apparently according to DCWiki stuff Death can claim whatever in the ordinary multiverse but has no power in the Sphere of Gods
Well that's bollocks, because Dream is from Sphere of Gods, and other endless are probably too, and she can take them.

>>94193466
It's possible there just hasn't been something to sufficiently address it, then. It would make no sense for The Source to die, for example, since it's directly responsible for Death's creation, and Lucifer is a denizen of the SoG and is untouchable by Death.

>>94183742
Death is a cute

>>94184595
Death has no motives
Death is pointless
It's a pretty good metaphor actually

>>94190858
I really enjoyed him as a protagonist but I'd hate him as a person IRL. Sometimes I think those are the best kinds of characters

>>94185248
She doesn't lead souls to the afterlife at all.

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>>94184595

>>94192811
In that very setup Destiny is beyond even the Monitor sphere and Death takes him in the end.

Dream is in the Sphere of the gods but that's just where he resides. The Endless are beyond even the monitors.

Obviously Dream is the GOAT.

Shouldn't there be pretty big overlaps between Death and Destruction, and between Dream, Desire, Despair and Delirium?

Thematically, they get pretty redundant.

>>94185248
>Fair enough. I was just wondering because she leads souls to the afterlife as her jo
There is no afterlife. At least, afterlife itself would have died by the time it is time to go. She was born when the first living thing was created, and so she will disappear when the last living thing dies. Death will end when there is no more living things.

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>>94193705
>untouchable by Death.
since when?

>>94194145
>afterlife
>living

lmao

>>94183742
Dildo

>>94186750
So why'd you post Harley Quinn?

>>94192811
that's a load of shit, the Endless stand above the Sphere, Gods are things that Death can take, the Black Racer is just an aspect of her

Definitely Killer Frost.

>>94194406
>the Black Racer is just an aspect of her

Got to bed Greg, you've still got to work on Season 3 of YJ.

>>94184595
They are not persons but personifications of natural foces/concepts.
It's like you would ask gravity why did he dropped an apple to Newton's head.

>>94194919
>>94184592

These guys know what's up

>>94184592
>>94194919
>>94195151
Proof?

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>>94195434

>>94195845
Oh well, that's...something.

>>94195845
What the fuck is this shit?
Was Gaiman ok with this?

>>94193937
Didn't I read this in a discworld book?

>>94195845
So has this still not been resolved?

>>94188938
>>94191150
Wasn't it that very parliament which led to the mortal once every hundred years thing, which led her to decide that acting cold was not the right course of action.

It must have been strange for her the first few times she took herself. Her mortal self gushing about the experience and herself being "meh"

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>>94188938
I like the whole "spends one day as a mortal every century" story. But everything about Death is great, pretty much everyone likes the cool older sister thing.
>>94189966
Cute, isn't she?

>>94195905
maybe. Neil and Terry were friends and even collaborated on Good Omens together.

>>94193922
She meets them when they die.

I wanna read more about the endless, where do I start? anyone have one of those character charts?

>>94196373
Just read every Sandman issues.

>>94196408
Is there an omnibus out anywhere?

>>94196498
Yes, several.

>>94189966
honestly my favorite Endless. Did we ever get to know what happened to the "first" Despair?
would fuck

>>94196801
No, there are a lot of unexploited holes left in the story. Like "Whatever hapenned to Delirium?" this kind of things.

>>94196957
She got sad her brother left.

>>94197059
>She got sad her brother raped her
FTFY

>>94194171
Do you happen to have the page from the next issue where she says that she "never said she has any claim over him" ?

>>94193968
Technically Destruction should actually be older and more powerful than death. Destruction would have existed since the big bang, the very start of the universe, born alongside Destiny, to oversee atoms colliding, the first stars exploding, etc.

Then, at the end, Destruction and Death will be the last of the endless, Destiny has long closed his book as all living things are gone, and the laws of physics take over and the last stars go out. Destruction and Death are the final two lights in the cosmos, and they mutually end each other, bringing the cold darkness to it's final equilibrium.

>>94193968
Oh my God, I just realised they all start with D. Did Neil Gaiman want the D? Is he a GayMan?

[Spoiler] I'm sorry, that was low quality and I'm ashamed. I'll show myself out. [/Spoiler]

>>94197136
She says right there "YET". Eventually she's going to take him.

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>>94194171
>>94197136
Not that this matters, because this stuff is barely canon

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>>94198638

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>>94201626
>>94200298

>no Sandman reaction images

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>>94202649
I got this one

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>>94183742
That one.

I hope when I die, she's there to comfort me, probably after I have committed suicide.

>>94191213
Although honestly, I'm really physically attracted to Desire.

>>94206836
>I'm really physically attracted to Desire.
isn't that the point?

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>>94193968
There is a bit of a misnomer going on with some of them to keep with the D theme. "Destruction" can be more accurately referred to as "change". For something to begin, something must end, or when something changes, it is no longer the thing it once was. Death, on the other hand, is not change, it's the end. After death, there is no evolution or metamorphosis, only stillness, but destruction is the chaotic nature of life and progress.

Delirium is essentially embodying flights of fantasy, or nonsense, in another way of looking at it. Dream gets the things that "are not, never were, nor will ever be" but Delirium essentially gets the misc. category. Even Dream errs towards order and structure to things, whereas Delirium is the natural madness that permeates all life. The things that are, but don't seem to be, or can't be but do, etc.

Desire is literally just what everyone wants, in a literal sense. She's both the craving and the fulfillment of every, well, desire ever felt. Despair is the opposite, she's the dejection, the loss, the misery when things don't go right. Destruction and Despair can overlap, but more often Despair's domain is things that are "tainted" not destroyed. They can all crisscross with each other, which is why they tend to interact and aid or fight each other, but for the most part they all have their own unique domains.

>>94195888
>thinking gaiman owns the rights to Sandman
Casuals are so funny

>>94207981
Maybe but I feel like a lot of people wouldn't care for the androgyny thing. Personally, I LOVE it. I really fucking dig androgyny. It's one of my biggest turn ons.

>>94195845
>implying that's destiny

>>94197372
>thinking destiny's book only applies to the living

>>94195845
Frost is bae

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>>94195434
>he doesn't know

>>94197372
Death and Destiny are not concepts inherent to living things. In the very first meeting of cosmic powers, with the Endless, the Gods, and the living souls of the Stars in attendance, Death says "You will all come to me". Death is the end of planets and stars, of matter and energy, of every conceivable form of existence. Destruction is the means by which it ends, but Death is the end.

>>94194406
The Black Racer is for the new gods (Who are just biological but high-tech beings) and not all entities described as gods.

The Source and Presence are both considered limitless and beyond dying, and Lucifer is stated to only be capable of destruction from The Presence itself.

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>>94208397
its very clearly Destiny's realm, cloak, and chain anon

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is it ever stated how Death feels about all the beings coming back from death?
what about beings like Black Flash and the Black Racer who are just aspects of death?

>>94184645
>>94184876
We can't ever know what happens after Death takes Destiny's book, because the story has ended. The story can't end if we are still reading what happens to Death after she takes Destiny's book.


The whole reason they say Death is the only entity that might potentially survive the end of existence is because no one knows what exactly will happen after existence ends except that Death will be the last being to close up shop.

Death might cease to be, might just stand there aware but without the ability to do anything, or she might just wake up in a new universe with new family and everything has just started again.

>>94195905
“Where did you say your business was?” said Lezek. “Is it far?”
"NO FURTHER THAN THE THICKNESS OF A SHADOW", said Death. "WHERE THE FIRST PRIMAL CELL WAS, THERE WAS I ALSO. WHERE MAN IS, THERE AM I. WHEN THE LAST LIFE CRAWLS UNDER FREEZING STARS, THERE WILL I BE."

>>94210079
Honestly, I like Death of the Endless but Discworld Death will always be best.

>>94210241
'And what would humans be without love?'
RARE, said Death.


"All right," said Susan, "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need ... fantasies to make life bearable."
NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.
"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers?"
YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.
"So we can believe the big ones?"
YES. JUSTICE. DUTY. MERCY. THAT SORT OF THING.
"They're not the same at all!"
REALLY? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET, YOU ACT LIKE THERE WAS SOME SORT OF RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.
"Yes. But people have got to believe that or what's the point?"
MY POINT EXACTLY.


A loophole," said Susan.
YES.
"Well, why can't you find one too?"
I AM THE GRIM REAPER. I DO NOT THINK PEOPLE WISH ME TO GET... CREATIVE.

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>>94193705
>since it's directly responsible for Death's creation
Whenever I think of the Presence I always remember that one time they literally shows the hand of God creating the universe. Still one of my favorite panels.

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>>94210438
"Ah. There really is a desert. Does everyone get this?" said Brutha.
WHO KNOWS?
"And what is at the end of the desert?"
JUDGEMENT.
Brutha considered this.
"Which end?"
Death grinned and stepped aside.
What Brutha hat thought was a rock in the sand was a hunched figure, sitting clutching his knees. It looked paralyzed with fear.
He stared.
"Vorbis?" he said.
He looked at Death.
"But Vorbis died a hundred years ago!"
YES. HE HAD TO WALK IT ALL ALONE. ALL ALONE WITH HIMSELF. IF HE DARED.
"He's been here for a hundred years?"
POSSIBLY NOT. TIME IS DIFFERENT HERE. IT IS MORE ... PERSONAL.
"Ah. You mean a hundred years can pass like a few seconds?"
A HUNDRED YEARS CAN PASS LIKE INFINITY.
The black-on-black eyes stared imploringly at Brutha, who reached out automatically, without thinking ... an then he hesitated.
HE WAS A MURDERER, said Death. AND A CREATOR OF MURDERERS. A TORTURER. WITHOUT PASSION. CRUEL. CALLOUS. COMPASSIONLESS.
"Yes. I know. He's Vorbis," said Brutha. Vorbis changed people. Sometimes he changed them into dead people. But he always changed them. That was his triumph.
He sighed.
"But I'm me," he said.
Vorbis stood up, uncertainly, and followed Brutha across the desert.
Death watched them walk away.

>>94210441
so they going to make the hand Dr. Manhattan right?

Where do I read more of Death? Just finished "Cost of Living" and "Time of your Life". She's waifu material with her perky attitude

>>94211278

Her little appearance in the fourth (if memory serves) issue of Books of Magic is pretty fantastic. I mean, just read Books of Magic in general. Doesn't get the love it deserves.

I love the idea of the Endless.

>>94208383
Me too anon, me too. Only on women though. I like guys too, but andro guys usually are not for me.

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>>94211278
>>94211335
Here's the end of the Universe (and the end of the Books of Magic miniseries)
1/3

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>>94212249
Astute readers will notice that Lucifer and the Presence are not there, and assuming that the solo series is canon to Sandman (and Carey intended it to be), they should be around.
The little thing is Lucifer left the universe at the end of his series
2/3

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>>94209177

In Lucifer, Lucifer says that death doesn't mind people that try to extend their lives or come back, because there will always be the last time.

Everybody lives the same amount of time for death: one life worth.

Death is the biggest death authority in the DC universe. The Racers are just another entities that do a similar job as death, but Death is the concept itself, she is what death is and she's the same for everybody in the end.

>>94195845

Which Endless gave their position to Frost?

>>94209177
>"Clark, you can't keep going back."
>"Can't I? People are still in danger. It looks like a job for me."
>"...you're lucky you're cute."

Does Death have any form of helpers?
I mean in a similar way to Dream's Abel & Cain?

>>94215539
Don't think so, I remember when Hell stopped working for a bit she mentioned that she was being run ragged chasing after lost souls.

>>94215539
nah, she has a goldfish though. A normal everyday non special at all goldfish, forgot it's name.

>>94215632
>>94215647
She should get a few helpers.

>>94215864
That's kind of a contradictory to what Death is. It makes sense for Dream to have a kingdom, his realm is imagination.
But nobody can really help Death with her task because they're not Endless. Anyone that Death worked with would be gone in a comparative blink of an eye.

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not sure why

>>94215647
I thought it was two goldfishes?

>>94215929
I like him because he refuses to be a pale cunt like his siblings.