Sony Does It Again

Christians need to find a new story to tell.

>>94175778

But how else are we suppose to be reminded of the dead guy on a couple of sticks who died To save us from something we didn't do?

>>94175747
Well. At least it isn't the Fidget Spinner movie

>>94175842
but there is apparently a funco pop movie in the works

>>94175778
I want a movie based off of the Book of Revelations god dammit.

>>94175747
Jokes and animation seem kinda generic
Honestly they should do with this story same thing dreamworks did with the moses

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>>94175747
Well this looks like total fucking asscancer. People should keep to adapting badass old testament series, not of that faggy-ass nu-testament trash.

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>making the virgin Mary into a qt waifu
I am so conflicted

>>94175842
Don't worry, I'm sure they're gonna make fidget spinners of the movie anyway. After all, they did make an Emoji Movie fidget spinner line

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>>94175778
>>94175841

>>94175966
Why? Once she spits out her demigod babby, you can plow her as much as you want.

>>94176022
>sexualizing pureness
Blasphemy.

>it's another Jesus movie
Like, I am a Christian, but I really would like to see a movie about other people from the Bible. It's always Jesus or Moses, and sometimes Noah.

>>94175747
Christians are so pathetic hahah "oh man a jesus movie lets watch it again" hahahahaah reminds me of the south park episode just replace everything with jesus.

>>94176282
I want Gedeon and Solomon, heck most of judges can make for a good story.

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>Pic very related

>>94175966
Mary has always been a qt

>>94176357

Solomon or David's later years would be GOAT

I want a belly rub.

>it's a 90 minute intense graphic birth scene

>>94175747

>From the creators of Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs
>and Miracles from Heaven

If they pointend any other actual kid's movie that they produced christians would not be interested?

>From the same producer of Animaniacs... And the Schindler's List!

>>94176537
>>and Miracles from Heaven

never heard.

>>94176554

It's a christian movie about a religious kid who get's sick, but gets better in the end

This is really all the plot

>>94175747
>From the studio

>>94175747
I hope it's heresy free

>>94175747
>all the camels are black
Makes you think doesn't it

>>94175966
Mary was the original waifu.

>>94176554
>>94176578
More specifically the kid get sick, his heart stops but he gets better, and then he tells his parents that when his heart was stopped he went to heaven and saw Jesus and his grandpa

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>Dove starts "dancing"
What the hell is he doing?
>Starts shaking his tailfeathers.
Black christians find this funny?

This film was financed by a Christian black media mogul. The director is making his feature film debut.

I am disgusted by how racist that sounded.

>>94175747
I think this would work better as a short with just the donkeys complaining about a trip through the desert.

>>94176860
Those were horses

>>94176987
Nigga, those were obviously Zebras.

>>94177043
Anon are you stupid or what? Those are Kirins, the mythical horses from the bible.

>>94175778
I want to see a movie based on those non-canon gospels where Kid Jesus kills bullies and makes living birds out of clay.

>>94176471
Reminder that Saul did NOTHING WRONG and that both David and God are fucking faggots

>>94175747
>that fucking donkey
BY THE PRODUCERS WHO SAW SHREK

>>94176069
>t. Catholic

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>>94175841

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>>94175944
Found the kike.

>>94177069
Kirins are Chinese, you dolt.

>>94175747
>King Herod is up to something!
Yeah, infant genocide. WAAAAACKYY~

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>>94175778
t. Some fag who'll end up seeing the next capeshit reboot.

If you can't appreciate Biblical narratives, it's a sign of how you have no attachment to your own culture. And I bet your room if filthy.

>>94175841
>I don't understand how original sin works.

>>94175747
The cast list tells me it's made for lower class, and lower-middle class Hispanic and African American Christians.

>>94177290
>t. Shylock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI0O3_CBa10

You're the reason society is plagued with roasties.

>>94178145
>the phoney art of psychology
>use it to mind control

What is it? Does it work or not?

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>>94178145
>Why Jews created porn
>This is somehow a bad thing
Oh /pol/, you dun goofed now

>>94175747
>actually made Mary and Joseph brown

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>tfw the only good animated christian movies are Prince of Egypt and Tragedy of Man and everything else is mediocre at best.
Revelations movie when?
Job movie when?
faithful sequel to prince of egypt when?

>>94178215
Scratch that, not as brown as I thought.

Didn't they already make an animated film about the first Christmas?

>>94178197
I think they meant psycho-analysis, which was just some garbage Freud made up to attack gentile society.

>“Jewish psychology was either covertly, as with Freud, or overtly, as with Wilhelm Reich, instinctual.”[4] That sexual instinct got morphed into the sexual revolution and then got reincarnated in one way or another in films by David Cronenberg, Eli Roth, Lar von Trier, etc.

>Jewish psychologists played a big role in bringing about this cultural warfare. “Under Jewish influence, American psychology became Talmudic as well….it was seen as a weapon against Christian culture.”[5]

>Freud was on a Jewish mission. Jewish professor of psychiatry Thomas Szasz of New York University writes that “one of Freud’s most powerful motives in life was…to inflict vengeance on Christianity.”[10]

>E. Michael Jones argues that here Freud was projecting his own sexual liberation upon mankind, as he had a love affair with his sister-in-law.[36] On his voyage to America, Freud was confronted with this fact by Carl Jung and immediately Freud ended the discussion. “I cannot risk my authority,” he said. Jung took that as an admission that Freud “was placing personal authority above truth.”[37]

>For more than a thousand years, Christianity has condemned incest largely because it produces serious problems, including birth defects and early death. In 1971, a pool of scientific studies proved that case.[78] Incest also produces serious psychological problems.[79]

>Freud, as we are beginning to see, was really up to something when he stepped outside the scientific realm to write about sexual liberation and passion (including incest) without restraint, something that is quite common among Jewish revolutionaries.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/12/24/sigmund-freud-psychoanalysis-and-the-war-on-the-west/

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>>94176537
>None of the creative team behind either of those movies are involved with this
Oh Sony

>>94178255
They made two animated films about the Titanic sinking. I guess someone is trying another shot at the Christmas story.

>>94178206
Pornography is a literal tool of cultural subversion.

>In 1919, Georg Lukacs became Deputy Commissar for Culture in the short-lived Bolshevik Bela Kun regime in Hungary. He immediately set plans in motion to de-Christianize Hungary. Reasoning that if Christian sexual ethics could be undermined among children, then both the hated patriarchal family and the Church would be dealt a crippling blow. Lukacs launched a radical sex education program in the schools. Sex lectures were organized and literature handed out which graphically instructed youth in free love (promiscuity) and sexual intercourse while simultaneously encouraging them to deride and reject Christian moral ethics, monogamy, and parental and church authority. All of this was accompanied by a reign of cultural terror perpetrated against parents, priests, and dissenters.

>Hungary's youth, having been fed a steady diet of values-neutral (atheism) and radical sex education while simultaneously encouraged to rebel against all authority, easily turned into delinquents ranging from bullies and petty thieves to sex predators, murderers, and sociopaths.

>Gramsci's prescription and Lukacs' plans were the precursor to what Cultural Marxism in the guise of SIECUS, GSLEN, and the ACLU--acting as judicially-powered enforcers--later brought into American schools.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2007/02/cultural_marxism.html

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>>94178341
>Porn is bad now
Oh /pol/

>>94178438
When is social subversion not bad and decadence not bad?

>>94177875
japanese really did coin the perfect term for this chuuni.

>>94178469
says the man fapping to loli on a taiwanese flower BBS.

>>94175988
Do I hear a crossover coming..?

>>94178106

Remind me how it works again? It's been a few decades since sitting through Mass and what not with my Polish Catholic Grandparents.

>>94178559
Please, I'm clearly here to type racial pejoratives in cartoon threads, nigger.

>>94178438
Porn is actually pretty bad, yes. It's especially bad if you're a Christian.

I really wish Sony's movie department would go bankrupt.

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>>94178620
Guess we're all going to hell then

Get the fuck out of our site btw

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>>94178341
>Georg Lukacs

>>94178684
>Muh sekret club

Faggot.

>>94175747
Damn that's a grocery list of celebrities.

>>94178469
From European cartoons I learned compassion and the value of a loving family consisting of a man and a woman.

From American cartoons I learned that I should buy merchandise and that girls have cooties.

Americans, "christians" and "jews" have only one god. Money. If someone were to offer you Stephen Colbert's salary to praise the niggers, the Clintons and spread identity politics you'd do it in a heartbeat.

>>94178589
The Incarnation is the supremem moment in human history, the antithesis of man's depravity in which God became man to save us from ourselves.

I suggest reading Rene Girard to understand more:

http://girardianlectionary.net/res/th_divinity.htm

>>94178833
And I suppose that's why Europe is on the verge of collapsing into a caliphate? Well, aside from Catholic Poland and Hungary and Orthodox Russia.

>brownwashing Star Butterfly
At least they kept the perma virgin aspect

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>>94178938
>Star is the antithesis of Mary
>Star is the Whore of Babylon and will give birth to the Anti-Christ

Suddenly all the Luciferian imagery makes sense.

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>>94178684
I've been here since 2008, Anon. Peace be with you.

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>>94178802
Also,
>Oprah Winfrey
Eh? Did Whoopi Goldberg die?

>>94179108
Nah, they upgraded her model.

>Make a movie about the birth of Jesus
>Still use "holiday season"

Whatever, this is nice to see as a Christian animator bent on putting Catholic themes in my pieces. It seems to be triggering fedoras so that's always fun.

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>>94178233
>>tfw the only good animated christian movies are Prince of Egypt and Tragedy of Man and everything else is mediocre at best.
Ahem.

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>>94179414
oops my bad.

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>>94178233
hmm, does this count?

>>94178753
>implying this is some secret club

Get out summerfag

>>94179452
I've been here for 11 years.

What am I doing with my life?

>>94178106
>If you can't appreciate Biblical narratives, it's a sign of how you have no attachment to your own culture.

I find Biblical narratives interesting but I do think that the nativity specifically is a little played out at this point in film.

>>94176793
>I am disgusted by how racist that sounded.
Quick, to the virtue signal!

>>94179479
How many other movies actually explore the nativity to it's fullest, though? There was that crappy live action one from 2004, but it was a superficial treatment at best.

You can't really say a story that has been around for almost 2000 years and still resonates with billions of people is "played out".

>>94179508
>I heard a buzzword but I don't know how to use it!

>>94175873
we're in rev 20, we will wait until "john' reveals himself also with the 12 tribes he created

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Anime Christianity is best Christianity

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>>94177114
I want to see one based upon this crazy ride

>>94179547
>You can't really say a story that has been around for almost 2000 years and still resonates with billions of people is "played out".

I think it resonates with a lot of people because it's a story that they're raised with from youth, to be honest. You attach to the things you're around; it's why fandom culture is such a big thing in the West today. Not that I'm saying there isn't value in reading the Bible, but I don't think that culture should necessarily be Christian in all facets.

I will say that I might have been a bit hasty to say that it's been 'played out'; by the simple fact of proliferation, there are clearly going to be many, many different interpretations of the Nativity myth. But I want some of the weirder parts of the Bible to get treatments, or God forbid some other holy books.

I mean, what I really, really want is to see an adaption of Paradise Lost on a $300 million budget but that's never going to happen unless I can break into Hollywood

>people have spent their entire lives, their entire life savings, every waking moment of their existence defending and trying to come up with rational and philosophical arguments for something who's existence can really be experienced through the use of feefees
Come on now, we live in a different time. Just give it up and go pray or something, why do you feel the need to defend this shit so hard lol

>>94179866
>current year fag not understanding the basic nature of metaphysical cosmology

>>94179959
>metaphysical
lol

>>94179774
>I think it resonates with a lot of people because it's a story that they're raised with from youth, to be honest.

Putting aside the old "You only believe because you were raised that way" canard, how is valuing something you were taught to cherish in childhood invalid? That's how culture and education are supposed to work.

> Not that I'm saying there isn't value in reading the Bible, but I don't think that culture should necessarily be Christian in all facets.

And what would replace it with? Some ill-defined watered down secularism? And how is wanting more Biblical movies and cultural expressions demanding that culture be Christian in all facets?

>I will say that I might have been a bit hasty to say that it's been 'played out'; by the simple fact of proliferation, there are clearly going to be many, many different interpretations of the Nativity myth

There's only been a few I can think of. And most movies only use it as a preamble to to rest of the life of Christ.

>But I want some of the weirder parts of the Bible to get treatments,

Agreed.

>or God forbid some other holy books.

Why? The West is Christian.

>>94175778
>>94175778
>Tfw no dark and gritty david and golaith movie

I wonder if we'll ever get that Paul Verhoeven movie that has Jesus being the son of a Roman soldier.

>>94178926
If Europe collapses into a caliphate I'm the fucking pope.

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>>94179866
But, that's wrong you retard.

You can make a compelling case for the historicity of the Gospels, whereas most atheist arguments boil down to "Fuck you Mom and Dad! I don't want to go to church!"

Christianity should be illegal.

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>>94175778
>Christians need to find a new story to tell.
I have some ideas.

>>94175747
That civ 6 expansion looks like its gonna fucking suck.

>>94178106
>>94179547
>not waiting to see some shitty, cheap cartoon film about the nativity means I can't appreciate Biblical narratives in media

You're a retard and most likely a filthy fucking Protestant.

>>94180110
Literal Talmudic propaganda.

>>94180126
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/sweden-cedes-control-of-muslim-areas/

>>94179108
>that image
Do you live under a rock?

>>94180155
>i have no understanding of the positive impact christianity has on culture
I guess you want nigger culture to conquer all. WOULDN'T THAT BE LIT XD?

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>>94180008
>God isn't real because the metaphysical isn't real
>Not realizing that the metaphysical manifests itself every minute of the day in the form uncertainty and potential anyway

Which was better /co/:
Superbook or The flying house?

>>94176321
Hahaha yeah man Atheism for life!

>>94178596
And masturbate to waifus. You'll be happier when you stop denying it.

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>>94179602
Anime Christianity is always the bad guy though Anon. Villains always prop up from the highest echelons of the church, pervading the Japanese myth that the Nanban religions are secretly headed by evil men worshiping an evil god.

>>94180157
You mean the wars that ultimately lead to the muslim counterinvasion of modern day Europe when it is hobbled by love and cooperation?

When even the most feared Viking of the North are now pansies that roll over to women that feel the number of men driving on the road is sexist?

>>94176537
>>94176554
>>94176692
Miracles from Heaven is kind of interesting because the way its shot and the way the main character is treated it strongly leans on the idea of the main guy just using his kid's delusions for profit. Like the kid talks about seeing angels and we keep seeing this big white scarecrow implying that's where he got the image.

I mean its a boring as fuck movie nobody should watch but the director made some interesting choices.

>>94180246
>dude racism lmao

So much for Christian love and compassion

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>>94175747

Sony is going after the christbucks again

>>94180390
The Crusades started long after the Musllim invasion of Spain and France, anon.

>They was good bois!
>They dindu nuffin!

>>94180425
>implying black preachers aren't the hardest on the black community and don't make liberal use of the word "nigger"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bmzzO5NBn8

>>94180350
>the Japanese myth that the Nanban religions are secretly headed by evil men worshiping an evil god.
I've always felt as if Japan portrays Christians as exotic but noble warriors, kind of like how the west imagines Buddhist monks.

>>94180439
They already milked out every possible fedorabuck with Sausage Party.

>>94180110
Was that the one where Jesus and the disciples go camping.

>>94180146
literally trying to defend some book written by bronze age mud hut dwellers like it wasn't just the one that caught on lol

>>94180708

>It's a fedora fag thinks he understands Biblical history episode
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-0zpu2toenYzMD2BVzLTHFfMOdhsjed0

>>94180269
you're ascribing some kind of force to uncertainty and potential because it obviously affects you as a conscious being and as humans we assign more significance to shit all the time lol

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>>94180146
>Ray Rogers

I fucking knew it.

His paper has been disproven time and time again. Ray Rogers was a hack who lied through his teeth and used unsourced, unreviewed papers as the basis for his ideas.

http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/n65part5.pdf
http://llanoestacado.org/freeinquiry/skeptic/shroud/articles/rogers-ta-response.htm
https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/radiocarbon/article/viewFile/1254/1259
http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/jackson.pdf

Get your faulty pseudoscience outta here.

>>94180753
>it's some christcuck who spends all his researching theologians(lmao) arguments because it makes him somehow feel important and superior to others

>>94175778
THE BINDING OF ISAAC AFTERBIRTH PLUS

>>94180832
>theologian

The guy is a historian, you retard.

>>94180772
And yet his results square with the findings of more recent peer-reviewed researchers who declared that the Shroud was not a medieval forgery.

http://nationalpost.com/holy-post/shroud-of-turin-not-a-medieval-forgery-researchers-say/wcm/ac95ae8a-229b-44d5-b5fe-b9670951df17
https://theshroudofturin.blogspot.ca/2012/01/my-response-to-turin-shroud-is-fake-get.html

Amazing how fedoras always use science as a bumper sticker without understanding how it works.

>>94180772

https://shroudstory.com/2008/09/21/the-big-carbon-dated-mistake-shroud-of-turin-and-the-scientific-quest-for-god/
>One test for balance is to reverse the argument. Try this: the carbon dating is now understood to be invalid (a fair statement) but some question this. Okay, who?
>Well there is Joe Nickell, a book author and writer for Skeptical Inquirer magazine. Nickell is not a scientist and has expressed a disdain for scientific methods. He attempts to use biblical-literalist arguments to refute the shroud’s authenticity, which is quite peculiar for an atheist. He likes to remind us, also, that three labs dated the shroud and obtained identical results. He fails to mention that the three labs performed the same test on pieces of the same sample. They should have achieved near-identical results but in reality the results were statistically different enough to call the results into question.

>There is also Steven D, Schafersman, who is a scientist. His primary line of argument in defense of the carbon dating is that scientists make mistakes (presumably only those who question the results) and invariably they will continue to do so. He has attacked Rogers for relying on a non-peer-reviewed paper. That simply isn’t true. Rogers was attempting to disprove the hypothesis in that paper and found, to his surprise, that it was correct. Philip Ball, who for many years was the physical sciences editor for Nature, that most prestigious of peer-reviewed scientific journals, the same journal that published the 1988 carbon dating results, agrees that Rogers was trying to disprove the mending hypothesis. In fact, the public record shows that Rogers initially believed that the proponents of mending were part of a “lunatic fringe” in shroud research.

>>94180046
>Putting aside the old "You only believe because you were raised that way" canard, how is valuing something you were taught to cherish in childhood invalid?

Never said it was. However, I believe that allowing people to question those beliefs is part and parcel of teaching a belief system in the first place, and I think there's a lot of criticism to be had of the Bible.

>And what would replace it with? Some ill-defined watered down secularism?
No, well-defined secularism. Christianity is not well-defined as it is; throughout history, there have been many schisms. The Bible itself is riddled with contradictions. Good lessons, but also contradictions. Does teaching the workable moral lessons of the Bible necessitate teaching all of it as gospel?

>And how is wanting more Biblical movies and cultural expressions demanding that culture be Christian in all facets?
Never said it was but I do see how my wording could be interpreted in that way and I apologise for not wording my argument more clearly.

>There's only been a few I can think of. And most movies only use it as a preamble to to rest of the life of Christ.
In fairness, I've looked over it and you are correct in saying that it hasn't been adapted as often as I had thought.

>Why? The West is Christian.
Yes, it has a Christian cultural heritage, and I don't think that should be utterly discarded, and I understand why that means that directors and film studios in the West will gravitate towards that mythology in adapting religious story, but I don't think that limiting ourselves to examination of that cultural/religious heritage is wise. There are elements of other cultural heritage that I do believe could be used to improve Western culture. I think that monofocus can lead to cultural stagnation. A healthy culture needs a level of interchange and trade.

That goes for areas other than the West, of course; I'm not a cultural relativist who believes that every culture but Western is monstrous or immoral.

>>94180563
If Christianity was about fighting literal demons and fucking sexy nuns I'd have remained one.

>>94180480
That's not the muslim invasion I'm talking about anon...

>>94181022
This going to be the ENEA stuff, isn't it?

Already dealt with.

http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/12/22/9636065-was-holy-shroud-created-in-a-flash-italian-researchers-resurrect-claim

The ENEA evidence is shaky at best, and really indicative of very little. It's a bunch of people starting with a presupposition and angling all evidence they find in manner that they believe supports this presupposition.

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>>94180390

>>94181090
>the carbon dating is now understood to be invalid

Literally only Christians believe this.

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>>94178233
What about The Miracle Maker

>>94181159
>Never said it was. However, I believe that allowing people to question those beliefs is part and parcel of teaching a belief system in the first place, and I think there's a lot of criticism to be had of the Bible.

What does that have to do with anything I said? You have to preset something before you can question it. And why do you act like they were never questioned or explained in the first place? As if Thomas Aquinas never existed.

>No, well-defined secularism. Christianity is not well-defined as it is; throughout history, there have been many schisms. The Bible itself is riddled with contradictions. Good lessons, but also contradictions. Does teaching the workable moral lessons of the Bible necessitate teaching all of it as gospel?

Well-defined secularism? Good luck with that. Western secularism is just watered-down protestant morality. The Church had a well-defined hierarchy and theology until the Protestant Revolt, which was caused by deliberate subversion more than theological disagreement. What contradictions? You mean the laundry list that so-called skeptics always bring up because of their superficial theological understanding? And again, how does a simple presentation of Bible stories impose mandatory belief on anyone? Sounds like you're just afraid of believers.

>but I don't think that limiting ourselves to examination of that cultural/religious heritage is wise. There are elements of other cultural heritage that I do believe could be used to improve Western culture. I think that monofocus can lead to cultural stagnation. A healthy culture needs a level of interchange and trade.

The West barely understands our own cultural heritage. Nows not the time to get bogged down into more addle-minded multiculturalism.

>>94181291
>I have the mentality of a child

Typical mindless fedora fag.

>>94181410
Regardless, it doesn't make sense to blame the crusades for modern Europe being so cucked.

>>94180563
>I've always felt as if Japan portrays Christians as exotic but noble warriors, kind of like how the west imagines Buddhist monks.
Nope
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/105414-Missionaries-Brought-the-Devil-to-Japanese-Games

Ever since the Christian pogrom back during the Tokugawa shogunate, Christianity has had a not-so positive image in Japan. Most people who know about it only know a very, very flawed Japanified vision of it. That image has softened a bit, but there is still a tinge of distrust with the Christian faith.

>>94181592
Not the first or the second. But the ones after? Oh yeah, since it ultimately lead to them losing the Holy Land, I can blame them easy.

>>94181495
>using Joe Nickell as an authority again

Silly Fedora. Nickell isn't a scientist. He's just too stubborn to let go of a discredited study because it fits his narrative.

>>94181495
And you know, the actual researchers.

>>94181090
>only engages with two sources
>ignores all the most incriminating facts regarding Rogers' theories in favor of unsourced nonsense

Yeah, okay.

>>94181641
The lost they Holy land, but they also kept the muzzies out of Europe. Lepanto, etc...

>>94181702
The general scientific community seems to agree with Rogers. The only ones who quibble appear to be a couple of fedora fags.

And the article engages with more than two sources.

>>94180146
>That image

Jesus was born in the Middle East. Wouldn't he look tanner?

>>94181690
There are literally no non-Christian researches that agree with this.

Invisible reweaving has been discounted already, and not just by the sources you've claimed are invalid.

>>94178438
It actually is. Porn addiction rots your brain.

>>94181793
He has the skeletal structure of a semitic man from that time.

>>94181817
>Philip Ball offers a helpful perspective in Nature Online. He explained Rogers’ findings that the carbon dating was invalid. He explained, too, that Rogers credentials were impeccable, his approach was unbiased and his science was solid. And of the shroud, he said:

>The scientific study of the Turin Shroud is like a microcosm of the scientific search for God. It does more to inflame any debate than settle it . . . . And yet, the shroud is a remarkable artifact, one of the few religious relics to have a justifiably mythical status. It is simply not known how the ghostly image of a serene, bearded man was made.

The only people who think the tests were valid are fedora fags grasping at straws and trying to save face.

>>94180195

>Sweden equals to all Europe

>>94181969
Sweden is a Microcosm of the European situation. They're getting there.

>>94175778
To be fair, the Chinese have the same problem.

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WTF I'm christian now

>>94181906
I've read that article. At no point does Ball say that he believes the radiocarbon dating is inaccurate. He simply outlines Rogers' argument and says that no amount scientific research will prevent believers from trying to find new ways to prove the shroud authentic.

Rogers, Marino and Benford simply lack vital evidence. All supposed evidences of the shroud being rewoven or tampered with in such a way have been disproven.

>>94181090
This entire article is hilarious.

One of its points is literally "These two people, can we just accept that they are wrong!? NO, because we like their findings!"

>>94175778
Have you read the bible? All the other stories would probably rate at NC-17 and never be allowed on any theaters anywhere.

>>94181530
>What does that have to do with anything I said?
You said
>how is valuing something you were taught to cherish in childhood invalid? That's how culture and education are supposed to work.
Culture and education must go beyond simply teaching people what to cherish. Present ideas, but also present the tools to critique them.
>And why do you act like they were never questioned or explained in the first place?
I didn't think I was.

>Well-defined secularism? Good luck with that. Western secularism is just watered-down protestant morality.
So work out how to improve it.
>The Church had a well-defined hierarchy and theology until the Protestant Revolt, which was caused by deliberate subversion more than theological disagreement.
Deliberate subversion here IS theological disagreement.

Disagreement on how many wives Henry VIII can have.

Even so, this ignores both individual Christian mystics and prior schisms such as the Great Schism of 1054 between the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic churches.

>What contradictions? You mean the laundry list that so-called skeptics always bring up because of their superficial theological understanding?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%205:22&version=KJV
'The Father judgeth no man'
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%202:2-5&version=KJV
'But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things'

Does God judge or not?

>And again, how does a simple presentation of Bible stories impose mandatory belief on anyone?
It doesn't necessarily, but as you said
>how is valuing something you were taught to cherish in childhood invalid
You're saying that people should be taught to cherish this text. You're contradicting yourself here.
>Sounds like you're just afraid of believers
Again, am I? Or are you assuming because I disagree with you?

Running out of space, sorry, will continue.

Wow, this movie's going to be a disaster. First they make Emoji movie, and now this? What the fuck is Sony thinking?

>>94181530
>>94182358
>>94182358
>The West barely understands our own cultural heritage
If a book of such moral importance to everyone within a cultural system is something that requires a hierarchy of understanding, something that is so easy to pick apart, then surely that suggests that the presentation of it
is flawed at the very least.

Should a book that informs morality not be simple to understand?

>Nows not the time to get bogged down into more addle-minded multiculturalism
Where do the divides between cultures lie? Where does one define one culture as beginning and one as ending?

Culture isn't a top down affair, it's emergent.

>>94180157
>christians getting raped by muslims

We have enough of that in Europe today

>>94182412
>There are enough stupid people in the world that will pay to see anything animated that any low cost schlock we make will still turn a profit

>>94175747
A shame. A movie just about the three kings journey could be pretty cool.

>>94181724
No muslims kept themselves out with constant in fighting. Even when the Ottomans were around stealing Christian shit, kidnapping and enslaving Christians, turning the women into Muslim sex slaves and men into brainwashed Muslim Janissaries, it was infighting that kept them from conquering Europe, As most conflicts with them ended with Christians getting customers when the Muslims had a rival-free day.

>>94180195
Speaking of, are there any good stories in the Talmud that could be made into movies?

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>>94175778
>Expecting a new story from people that worship a dead Jewish guy on a stick

>>94178635
All of Sony's media departments should go bankrupt.

>>94182196
>At no point does Ball say that he believes the radiocarbon dating is inaccurate.

So you agree with me, then?

>Rogers, Marino and Benford simply lack vital evidence. All supposed evidences of the shroud being rewoven or tampered with in such a way have been disproven.

So you keep saying, though this has yet to be demonstrated. If anything, the idea that there was no reweving rests on the presumptions of the so-called "skeptics".

>>94182316
It doesn't say that at all, you blind cunt. It point out that the actual experts in their fied agree with Rogers and have no reason to doubt him.

>>94185101
They made the Sistine Chapel, the Divine Comedy, Handel's Messiah?

What are the great fedorafag works of art? Family Guy?

>>94183418
So the Reconquista and the Battle of Vienna were don't count then? In-fighting didn't prevent to Ottomans from building a sizable, and for a time, successful invasion force.

>>94183841

Coming soon to a theater near you...

Jesus being boiled alive in shit in the afterlife... in IMAX 3D

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>>94181618
>Ever since the Christian pogrom back during the Tokugawa shogunate, Christianity has had a not-so positive image in Japan. Most people who know about it only know a very, very flawed Japanified vision of it. That image has softened a bit, but there is still a tinge of distrust with the Christian faith.

It explains why almost every Japanese pop culture portrayal of Amakusa Shiro, the Catholic leader of the Shimabara Rebellion, is either as a tragic villain or outright evil

>>94185413
>Some fanfiction, an album nobody cares about, and a building whose only notability is a painting made a guy the Church would kill if they found out his sexuality.

Not impressive at all. Try making something really creative.

>>94180245
You think that's bad? You should see /mlp/ woth the movie cast. Some of them don't even know who Sia is.

>>94182358
>Culture and education must go beyond simply teaching people what to cherish. Present ideas, but also present the tools to critique them.

That's what Scholasticism was. You aren't presenting any novel concepts.

>So work out how to improve it.

Secularism was always result in a dead end because nobody really believes in it. It offers no transcendent truth, just naive wishful-thinking.

>Disagreement on how many wives Henry VIII can have.

Which is not rooted in any theological argument, but Henry's stubbornness.

>Even so, this ignores both individual Christian mystics and prior schisms such as the Great Schism of 1054 between the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic churches.

Mystics were not necessarily expert theologians, which is why the Church so heavily vetted them.

The Orthodox Schism was more political in nature than theological.

http://catholicbridge.com/orthodox/1054_orthodox_catholic_split.php

Again, the alleged contradictions are based on superficial reading and theological misunderstanding.

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jesusjudge.php

>You're saying that people should be taught to cherish this text. You're contradicting yourself here.

I'm saying that it's okay for people to value what they learned in childhood.

>Should a book that informs morality not be simple to understand?

Humanity is complex, The Bible cannot address morality without containing some nuance. It explains itsellf clearly, but man will always allow his passions o rule over his reason. That is why a hierarchy is needed.

>Culture isn't a top down affair, it's emergent.

Culture has clear codifiers. I always find it interesting how multiculturalists expect westerners to compromise for outsiders.

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>>94185669
>He thinks Michaelangelo was gay

Nice try faggot. Try rainbowwashing something else.

Still waiting for the alleged atheist masterpieces.

It's no surprise that culture dies when fedora fags take over.

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>>94175944
Sure! We can make singing and dancing anachronistic talking animal movies from those too!

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>>94176860
We already have a good short about the donkey.

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>>94175873
Will this do?

I really hope sony pictures just goes bankrupt

>>94182493
I just want to remind everyone that this is absolutely true. Even with movies that are so insultingly bad even children won't want to watch them- there are literally retarded people who are incapable of having other pasttimes outside of movie going and who can't emotionally handle adult movies who will. Sometimes multiple times, and always with some form of escort.

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>inb4 Rule34 of Jesus mom

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>>94175944
It really didn't work out as well the second time Dreamworks tried it.

r34 of Mary when?

>>94182442
>Should a book that informs morality not be simple to understand?
Fuck no.
Simple morality leads to all kinds of stupid bullshit. You need nuance.

>>94185586
Pretty much.

Also there is a bit of a disconnect with the more 'harmless' elements of Christianity, and the actual religion.

Things like Christmas and Valentines are basically celebrated for the commercialism brought over by the U.S, the actual religious part is overlooked or forgotten.

>>94180195

We've had areas like that for years. They're called the ghetto.

>>94180350
Well 50% of the times it is this and the others are actually a bunch of "exorcists" top-models wearing super cool inaccurate religious garments fighting demons and their associates with things like "Holy Pistols"

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>>94175747
>Big angry Philistine with guard dogs walks by to the tune of "That's what Christmas Means".

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>>94188078
Some people just want to tempt fate, don't they?

>>94185413

The Divine Comedy is popular by the description of afterlife, not for artistic or philosophical merits, the writing style was dated even for the era and was basically a self wankery orchestra that Dante used to paint hinself as the chosen one from God and all his political rivals still alive as sinners

Laugh all you want, I'm sure this will be the new Prince of Egypt

>>94188250
Well, God made us in his own image

>>94188078
No wonder God cucked Joseph.

>>94175778
For some reason, Jews don't want to do a story about the liberation of Spain.

>>94179602
>No isekai about a missionary who gets transported to a battle shonen universe and much become the strongest fighter to declare the glory of Christ one fist at a time.

>>94180350

Ultraman. The guy who made him is Christian.

>>94188590
And?

>>94188416
Mary was a consecrated temple virgin who when she was aof age was betrothed to Joseph, an elderly widower so they could take care of each other. Their relationship was never intended to be sexual.

http://taylormarshall.com/2011/12/did-jewish-temple-virgins-exist-and-was.html
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/mary-ever-virgin

That said, when Joseph found out Mary was pregnant, his reaction was not passive. He intended to divorce her. It took an intervention by an angel to talk him out of it.

So no, St. Joseph was not a cuck, he fulfilled his intended role as a caretaker.

>>94188340
>The Divine Comedy is popular by the description of afterlife, not for artistic or philosophical merits,

>youropinionman.jpg

> the writing style was dated even for the era

And? Dated doesn't mean bad, especially when it's centuries removed from the present era that even the contemporary writing style would appear dated.

It's still a greater work than any fedora fags have ever made.

>>94189060
If she looked like that, I contest Joseph was a fag then.

>>94178106

We can appreciate Biblical narratives while pointing out that certain such narratives - the story of Moses, the Nativity, and the crucifixion of Jesus chief amongst them - have been done so often that any new version of them feels less "special" or "unique". "Noah" felt unique because, even though it is as well-known a story as the other three I mentioned, nobody had ever tried to make a serious cinematic version of the Noah's Ark narrative (at least not as long as I have been alive).

When adaptations of Biblical narratives extend beyond "the Greatest Hits of Christianity", I will be more inclined to care about them.

>>94189060
>He intended to divorce her.
They had that then? Forgive my ignorance, but I figured they just killed the women in these situations or something.

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>>94175747
>the Jews pushing KEKOLDING again

Why is this allowed?

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So do any of you guys have any recommendations for animated adaptations of bible stories? Or maybe even comics? Good watchable stuff I mean. I've been watching Osamu Tezuka's In the Beginning, but I can't find a sub and the english dub is sloppily edited to cut out certain content. And it doesn't go beyond the nativity.

I'm sort of curious about the other New Testament stories to see what this Jesus guy was all about after he stopped being a baby. I get that he was eventually nailed to a cross then came back to life, but compared to the nativity I know relatively very little about the specifics to that story because I wasn't raised with religion and the crucifixion thing seems to come up so much less in pop culture. But old testament seems cool too I guess.

I'd normally read the book, but this whole King James thing seems kind of heavy for me. And I like cartoon adaptations because they have a tendency to spell out the basics very clearly for an audience that is assumed to be hearing the story for the first time.

>>94190546
>random black kid
What?

>>94190603
You mad, white boi¿

>>94175842
it's coming

>>94178863
If you can't explain it yourself, why did you pretend to say someone else didn't understand it?

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This movie looks like a load of ass.

I would really like movie adaptations of each Gospel, honestly. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John--each one needs a movie, ideally by a different director each time. They'd all be similar, but I think the differences between each Gospel would make for compelling comparative cinema.

WHY

Out of all things to make a low quality Dreamworks tier film, why the fuck would you pick the birth of Jesus Christ?

Why do Americans like the old testament so much?

Why are Americans so fond of ancient biblical cultures and civiliaztions even when people descended from said civilizations don't even give a single shit about it.