Were the 90s the worst decade for comics?

It's shits all over this decade even on an empty stomach.

>>94163206
if you only focus on the super mainstream stuff, the success of those major titles like X Force and Spawn meant a ton of indie and "lesser" DC/Marvel comics were able to be made

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>>94163206
This one is pretty bad.

literately the best time in comics ever
only faggots disagree

>>94163206
I'd Argue the Silver Age was much worse.
The 90s were a pretty great time for comics.

There was a very ugly aesthetic on some books that tended to be popular, but overall no it wasn't that bad.

>>94163206
>Crowhunter
I guess I'm teaming up with Moonman.

>>94163206
No, the worst decade for comics was the 2010s when /tv/ took over

>>94163287
>>94163290
>>94163296
It was the last time comics were ever taken seriously.
After that, comics were relegated to kiddie shit. After so many years of progress.

>Pocketforce

Beware of my of pockets...OF FORCE!

>>94163206
>Icewave
Not too bad, actually.

>>94163251
Fpbp

>>94163266
It was just fine for mainstream as well.

>>94163251
>>94163397
We've reached the point in time where we can view the 90s with rose tinted glasses.

>>94163206
>Gunblade
this is why Liefeld gets the big bucks

>>94163251
And yet, the new Youngblood is better than any YB title released in the 90s.

>>94163430
>My narrative is threatened. Everyone has to agree!

crowblade?

>>94163479
>Someone disagreed with me! Time to grasp at straws!

>>94163206
I think current Marvel is much worst than 90's Marvel

>>94163479
What the fuck are you on about?

>>Ice Hunter

>>94163511
disagreement and invalidation aren't the same. 'Rose colored glasses' comments brand anyone who makes them as unworthy of serious consideration. They've already had the entire discussion by themselves, after all.

>>94163536
Atleast 90s marvel had editors

Pocketrun? What kind of name is that?

>>94163536
90s Marvel had interesting characters like Sleepwalker, Darkhawk, and Slapstick which were sadly overshadowed by the very 90s edge they created.

2010s Marvel has what? Gweenpool?

Either way, both eras had their share of shit events.

>>94163589
>They've already had the entire discussion by themselves, after all.
This is a public forum you autist.

>>94163595
At even if the edgy books are prevalent, there was at least variety of smaller books.

>>94163589
Not that guy, but do you spend all your time doing deep analysis of snarky comments on a Chinese cartoon board?

>>94163706
Do you?

>>94163589
>Decade X shits all over Decade Y
>not indicative of rose tinted glasses

No. The expanding market and weakening comics code allowed for an explosion in new and diferent titles.

It really doesn't mattter how many pieces of shit get produced ,as you can always ignore bad comics.

>>94163773
>unrelated greentexts
>we could bait each other all night, but I'm gonna go read Spider-Man, instead.

>>94163819
>as you can always ignore bad comics.
Tell that to Valiant Comics.

>>94163850
>unrelated text
It was literally the first post nigga.

>>94163206
2010s are worse and it's not even close.

>>94163908
To be fair, there hasn't been a comics crash yet so there's that.

>>94163879
And the best one, as has been pointed out.

>>94163935
Yet.

>>94163949
I don't know if you know this anon but just because someone posts FPBP, doesn't make it true.

>>94163206

>Bladelock

...i guess so

Bloodhawk

Noice. What are my abilities?

The art wasn't really what made it bad. X-Force was a cool concept and it made sense that the New Mutants would eventually grow up. Todd McFarlane made Venom one of the greatest Spider-Man villains of all time, Claremont/Lee X-Men was probably X-Men at it's peak.

The problem was with bad editors and bad business decisions. Shitty editors were giving artists (who were undoubtedly good) too much leeway with time because they figured the art was selling the book not the stories. Writers had to make terrible scripts to meet deadlines because they received art so late or it was too late to be changed to fit the plots. Claremont left X-Men because he disagreed with Lee on how the plots should be. Then all these big ego artists left because Marvel made them to be gods left and there was a huge talent vacuum and Marvel tubed quickly. Then you got terrible stuff like Image doing Marvel with the Heroes Reborn event and tons of edgy garbage like X-Cutioner's Song, Onslaught, Avenger's The Crossing, Thunderstrike, and Clone Saga.

Shatterforce

>>94164021
Hawkman but edgier?
Most Image/Dark Age creations weren't very creative.

>>94163206

>BlastClaw

So I'm like a projectile Wolverine?

>>94163984
(You)

>>94163290
>disliking the silver age over the golden age which is just stuff for 6 year olds

silver age gave us modern marvel, golden age was just awful awful garbage

>>94164071
I swear there was someone from 90s Image with that power set.

>>94163430
Take an average quality book from mainline DC from the 90's and compare it to the average now and tell me it's rose tinted glasses.

>>94163611

It's better than fucking Boco I can tell you that

>>94164022
The worst thing in X-Force is definitely the scripting.
We also got infinity Gauntlet, DC one Million and AoA which are all pretty cool, imo.

>>94164117
Chump question; everyone knows that DC peaked in the 80s.

>>94164117
>Death of Superman
>Supersons

Well that's a no brainer.
In all fairness, I loved the Superboy run from the 90s.

>>94163206
>Bladerun

Am I a Replicant?

>>94164235
Supersons is trivial bullshit that many people consider to be the cream of the current crop. Death and Reign are way better, despite being much closer to the true average of the time period.

>>94164235
I've only read the stuff in the One million omni and I loved it. Oh, I guess, I also read some stuff where he interacted with a shitass version of LOSH, which I didn't like at all.

>>94163206
>90s comic name
>none of these words are diliberatly misspelled
Nyghtrun btw

>>94163430
>What is Hitman
>What is Sandman
>What is Ennis' Hellblazer
>What is Morrison JLA
>What is DC One Million
>What is Robinson Starman
>What is Infinity Gauntlet
>What is Young Justice
>What is David Aquaman
>What is Deadpool
>What is Enigma
>What is The Invisibles
>What is Flex Mentallo
>What is Preacher
>What is Shade the Changing Man
>What is Transmetropolitan
>What is Stormwatch
>What is WildCATs
>What is SCUD
>What is Hellboy
>What is Martha Washington
>What is Sin City
>What is Madman
>What is X Factor
>What is Priest's Black Panther
>What is Flash (Messener Loebs, Morrison/Millar, Waid)
>What is Static
I'd like to see this decade stack up. I'm sure I've forgotten some too

>Blood Shot

Alright whats my bio and powers?

>>94163206
>Crowstrike

i can work with that.

>>94163206
>Bladesteel
Honestly surprised this wasn't a '90s character.

>>94163935
sales are far lower now than they were during the crash

that's how bad it is

>>94164117
So Batman by Doug Monech and Kelley Jones vs Batman by Tom King and Finch/Janin

No contest 90's wins.

>>94164623
I named my first Dungeons and Dragons character that.

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>>94164650
Not even close to true, even if we give 42% more dollars to the 2000 stat, it still isn't half as much

>>94164711
Let's not forget we also have several Batman titles running in the 90s so if I don't like Moench then I can read Legends of the Dark Knight where I get a new story every two months or so.

>>94164803
So how exactly does this work?
Including things like manga?

>>94164884
Diamond sales

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>>94163206
>crow-razor
Nice, I even got a picture to go along with it.

>>94163206
>blackclaw
Nice and edgy

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>>94163433

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>>94164071

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>>94164803
>>94164884
Here's floppy sales per June of 2000 vs 2017

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>>94164581

>>94165053
No wonder Marvel loves renumbering

>>94165053
Were the Thunderbolts really not even in the top 40 back then? I would've thought they were a little higher up.

Pocket Doom is here to fuck your shit up.

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>Crowhawk

>>94165125
Yea I went June to June just out of posterity but i bet I could find a more congrous month.
However the thing that says something to me is the number of 50k plus currently
There is a legitimate 50k people who go to the store and read every month, which is cool. An actual baseline fanbase has been built

>>94163206
>Cable-Shade

Fuck every single time, EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME I try one of these things I always get the most mismatched pairings that make no sense.

>>94165053

So pretty much exactly the same except Marvel didn't have to rely on #1's?

>>94163206
Crowrazor

lol someone with the initials N.F. is Bladeblade

>>94163206
The Big 2 was mostly garbage but a ton of Indie groups got in on the game which lead to a positive change in the industry as a whole.

>BloodStroke

Think I'd be cancelled before the 90s was even over.

>>94163206
Pocketstroke.

Okay.jpg

>>94163206
>Blackshard

I sound like a shitty Forgotten Realms NPC.

>>94163206
The 90's laid the groundwork for other writers to pick up the pieces. Carnage started off pretty boring, but lately he's gotten some good stuff (Axis, for example). Deadpool and Cable were boring Liefeld junk until later writers salvaged and made them better. Also, the 90's had some good concepts, like ending Peter Parker's story and putting someone else in the row to start a new one, or an Anti-Hero Batman just to prove why Batman works with the law.

These days, however, comics are just boring. The most recent event to be adapted into a superhero movie was from 2007. Modern material just doesn't have the staying power because it's all run by trends. The new Marvel replacements are the rough equivalent of guys like Thunderstrike and Scarlet Spider, but those guys at least were designed to refresh the character, as opposed to the new bozos which are just about SJW virtue signalling.

Besides, at their worst, 90's comics are laughably bad, while modern comics are just cringey.

>>94163206
Yes, because you were born in them

>>94167325
Thunderstrike is the most underrated Marvel series ever

Why do all these people who never even cared about comics before the Teen Titans animated series think the 90s were the worst decade of them? How did this meme get started?

>>94167344
This!

>>94164572
>What is Flex Mentallo
>What is Shade the Changing Man
>What is Transmetropolitan
>What is Martha Washington
Mon negro

>>94167434
>RED HOT FOIL STAMPED RED HOT RED HOT
>maximum clonage
Plenty of individual works were great, it was only when the big two made obvious reaches for hype to cash in on that things got bad. Mostly it was Marvel's fault, as usual. Jews need the oven.

>>94163206
Pocketwhip here

Beware my special snowflake pockets capable of release an infinite amount of whips infused with '90s edge

>>94163640
2010s Marvel could've had the GOAT Miss Marvel, shame that Marvel couldn't stop themselves from running Kamala into the SJW hell.

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It had the best Flash run so that alone makes it better than now.

>>94163974
And there won't be since Marvel can hide behind Mickey's fat wallet.

>>94167578
Between this and today's bullshit, makes me wonder if Marvel's responsible for all the damage done to the comics industry.

Nightclaw, let's go

No, now is. DC and Marvel are appealing to movie watching normalfags and need niggers in their comics to appeal to liberal jews.

>ice razor
It's shit

>Crow-hawk
I'm either a half-assed turducken or a crow with a mohawk.

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>>94163206
>Crow-whip

>>94163206
Not even close to as bad as now.

90's Vertigo alone makes you an idiot.

>>94167667
I've known that for a long time. DC has their bullshit moments but nothing compares to what Marvel has done.

>>94164080
Silver Age saw the rise of the Comics Code Autority, cutting the balls off the entire industry.

>>94164235
Supersons is not even an average comic. Tomasi is considered to be a top writer by this board now. Tells you how much times have changed.

>>94167847
Incidentally it's also what lead to narrow capeshit dominance over what used to be a hugely varied medium with an expansive market.

>>94167891
GL Tomasi was great though.

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>>94163595
>Atleast 90s marvel had editors

This is kind of what it really boils down too. For as EXTREME and HARDCORE as the 90s where, there was at least a sense that the companies knew what the fuck they where doing.

Hell Marvel and DC even where getting along as professional rivals. Remember Marvel vs DC? they let the fans choose the winners. Did that make sense? Hell no, but it showed they where willing to behave like adults and put their fans first. You can't have that shit these days because manchildren editors burn every bridge and piss everyone off

>>94164572
PAD Supergirl
John Moore X-Force
Chronos
Chase
Icon
L.E.G.I.O.N.
The Long Halloween
Sandman Mystery Theatre
Power of SHAZAM

Great decade

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Serious Question. What was the last Marvel book to hit Issue 100? 50? I could have sworn Unc XF got close but it was only 35 before a renumber.

>>94167982
Third volume of New Mutants got cancelled at 50.
That was like five years ago now.

Oh, the last volume of Deadpool got into the 60's I think.

>>94163206
Cold Blaze
Makes me look like a retard, or a very ironic anti hero.

>>94164572
Generation X and Gen13 and Firestorm and Acme Novelty Library and Hate and Ralph Snart and The MAXX and Moore's Supreme and Marz' Green Lantern and The Tick and Sam &Max and Groo and Stray Bullets and P. Craig Russell's opera stuff

>>94167434
Because it's an easy target. There were legit things wrong with the 90's, so it was really easy to make a crack at something like the Clone Saga or EXTREEEME art or whatever.

But in the end the people who kept snarking at 90's ended up doing worse stuff. Like for instance Marvel used to repeatedly point out how terrible the Clone Saga was, back when Quesada took over. But in the end much of everything from OMD forward was more destructive for Spider-Man and his various related characters than the Clone Saga ever was.

>>94167434
because Waid is old and autistic
even Byrne adapted

>>94167578

I mean yeah there's some deserved shit to take the piss out of but is Maximum Cloneage really worse than however many years of Slott

>>94167505
>storytimed never
:/

>>94163430
Why do you think /co/ is so bitter

An entire decade of shit

>>94168233
>I mean yeah there's some deserved shit to take the piss out of but is Maximum Cloneage really worse than however many years of Slott

I think the thing was, Maximum Cloneage was really bad at the time it was out. But I think I'd rather reread Maximum Cloneage over Clone Conspiracy or Spider-Verse ever again.

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>>94168289

Above anything else Marvel has become incredibly spiteful towards their fans. People like Brevoot actively saying shit like angry fans sell as they go on a killing spree in Spider-verse or publish shit like Avengers Arena

>>94168275
Maybe read some comics instead of parroting the popular opinion of the uninformed.

>>94168289
I lucked out, since my only experience with Maximum Carnage was the SNES game with the bitchin' music.

>>94168345
Maximum Carnage was a different 90's thing that people didn't like (yet still have other people interested in it). Maximum Cloneage was a storyarc within the Clone Saga (and obviously they named it that way to evoke Maximum Carnage).

>>94163206
Fuck, my name is Blade Blade

>>94168233
I dunno, is Slott worse than that time MJ delivered a stillbirth? I'm really asking here.

>>94168366

Maximum Carnage would have been decent if they just trimmed the fat down some. 14 issues of Spider Team just one step behind or Carnage getting away is a bit much. Knock that down to 6 to 8 issues, drop a few superfluous characters and you got a decent arc

>>94168345
I like Monstress and Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck. If you can point me to good stories from the Big Two, I will be happy to read them.

What the FUCK happened to The Darkness?

>>94163206
Image was a steaming pile of "trying too hard to be edgy" back then.

>Bloodflame
I cut myself and shoot fire at people.

>>94168388

Is MJ's still birth worse than massacring the Spider-friends for shock value and killing off May Day's father in what was supposed to be the happy ending universe?

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Towards the end of the decade, Marvel Knights started, and that led to some of the best Daredevil stuff ever published.
Indie stuff like O'Barr's The Crow was solid in the '90s.
Dark Horse's licensed Star Wars stuff was spot-on.

I'd even argue X-Men started the '90s with some cool storylines. Just a shame they got convoluted and indulgent thanks to Claremont and Jim Lee having a half-decade cock duel.

'93-'97 was a wasteland. Thanks in large part to Bob Harras losing his mind.

>>94168399
>f you can point me to good stories from the Big Two, I will be happy to read them.

>>94167959
>>94164572

>What the FUCK happened to The Darkness?
Cancelled a few years ago after a partial reboot, with Witchblade following not long after.
Top Cow is a joke these days.

The creator that was carrying them for years is moving on to DC.

>>94168388
Mary Jane delivering a stillbirth vs

-Black Cat becoming a complete villain just because Superior Spider-Man punched her out and sent her to prison
-Ben Reilly being the villain of Clone Conspiracy
-Slott killing off MC2 Peter and replacing him with an alternate universe Uncle Ben for inexplicable reasons, and that's not even getting into the other big problems with Spider-Verse

Yeah, I think I would rather read the entire Clone Saga over reading any of Slott's Spider-Man ever again.

>>94168476

Even Slott's, and Im using this term generously, "GOOD" stuff is just him coming up with new action figure designs in what are generally forgettable stories. I remember Stealth Spidey but fuck me if I could tell you what he needed it for.

>>94168447
>'93-'97 was a wasteland. Thanks in large part to Bob Harras losing his mind.

Bob Harras wasn't EIC till 1996. Unless you think his control as editor of the X-books was all there was to make it a wasteland.

>>94168494
All I remembered was that it had to do with Phil Urich as Hobgoblin.

>>94168540

Oh right that was a thing. What the fuck even happened with that

>Blackwhip
Do I have BDSM powers?

>>94163206
>Blackshot
So, Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction mixed with Punisher? Though, I think Liefeld already did this one.

>>94163206
>Nightshard
So am I a muscle wizard with guns?

>>94163206
NO
This decade is

>>94164581
You're a cyborg soldier who has guns powered by your own blood. They're some of the strongest weapons available however you're not able to use them often or else you'll pass out from blood loss and you got huge tubes sticking out from all over your arms and chest you gotta be careful that don't get cut apart during combat.

>>94168666

You're will smith in Suicide Squad

>>94163206
>Nightsiege
I'm ok with this.

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>>94168550
I don't even know. But hey! TOYS, EVERYONE!

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>>94168777
>777

Also I like minimates

>>94163206
What possible cool name could you make with pocket-?

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>>94168826
>Pocket stroke

Steel Steel

Metal.

>>94163206
>Pocket Doom
A combination of Doctor Doom and Ant Man who probably lacks all the characteristics which make those guys interesting. Or perhaps a noir character, a hitman who's simply quick on the draw.

Or a guy with a really, really big dick.

>>94168447
you're retarded X-Men were the best in the 90s
Kesel's Daredevil is fucking excellent too

Gunfire~

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>>94163206
I AM CROWRUN

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>>94163206
>Coldrazor

RAZOR
NICE and COLD

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>Crow Force

A lot of crowbros in this thread, J's representing.

>>94163327
This

But the 90's are second worst.

90s were better than 2000s and 2010s for DC, but 2000s were better for Marvel.

>>94163206
> Deathforce
I imagine this would be like a 90s edge parody antihero like Lobo.

>>94163206
well i bought and enjoyed more comic titles in the 90's than I do now

>>94163819
>It really doesn't mattter how many pieces of shit get produced ,as you can always ignore bad comics


That is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. If a company puts out 99% garbage, it's going under, your support of the good 1% notwithstanding. Try not to be a retard.

>>94163935
We have been living at the bottom of the ocean for a while now. If sales get even a bit worse, Marvel and DC could cease to exist as comic book companies.

>>94163206
>Nightshade
bit disappointing.

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>>94163206
>overshade

>>94168469
Even nu-Top Cow is more like Image Central with the occasional minis, stealth or not, featuring Top Cow Universe characters, and another shared universe (Edenverse).

Marc Silvestri is still not giving up on Top Cow, and Ron Marz revived a literally who short-lived 90's publisher in partnership with IDW.

>>94164080
Silver Age saw the death of EC Comics.

>90s was bad meme
It should be a casual filter on this board.

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killblade

My name is Shadow Hunter

>>94163206
> Shattersteel
What am I like some kind of super powered martial artist like Ironfist? Budget Magneto?

>>94163206
Absolutely not unless you were only reading Spider-Man.

>>94163206
>Shadowshade
Oh god not another moon moon

>>94167657
Disney cares so much about comics that they farm their own charcters out to Fanta.
Marvel just gonna vanish one day.

>>94163206
Blastslash
That sounds fucking rad

>>94173438

This. Marvel will be reduced to publishing whatever minimum is legally necessary to keep the rights. Maybe they'll go European style and publish GNs once of twice a year instead of monthlies.

>>94168807
Minimates are great, but my point was that I can barely remember what he used the suit for other than using it while fighting Phil Urich and it gets used as a toy a lot. And then after that there was that one suit he used when going up against Massacre.

>>94173438
>Disney cares so much about comics that they farm their own charcters out to Fanta.

And IDW.