How can we fix the adult animation industry?

>>94149837
Name one adult animation series that you think future shows should aspire to be like

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We pray to France.

>>94149882
The Maxx

Adult animation is never going to be legitimized in the US.

>>94149882
Does anyone remember the name of the studio that did the MIB series?
That one.

>>94149882
Xavier: Renegade Angel

>>94149837
hire adults to write them, not people that go into their twitters and write shit like "sorry, I can't into adult today :(" or "being adult is hard, today I had to buy my own clothes >.<"

>>94149882
season 3 and 4 of Reboot

>>94150137
real adults don't watch cartoons

>>94149882
Moral Orel

>>94149837
You can't, it's a childish medium and even "adult" cartoons are aimed at childish people, the edgy kids that never grew up and the babies that whine and cry like children even during adulthood.


If you want to watch serious animation, you should be on /a/ and not /co/. Most of /a/ stuff is shit, but they have the majority of the only actual serious animations.

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>>94150226

>you should be on /a/

not even once

read graphic novels instead

>>94150255
Why do people keep posting this image when it's been discredited so many times?

>>94150282
You could ask that for a ton other things. The answer is usually the same and it's EATSHITFAGGOTKEKKEKFAGKYS

>>94149882
The Simpsons

>>94150255
Sometimes I see things that make me feel sad for Japan.

This was one of them.

>>94150424
Again, this image has been discredited numerous times. It's essentially fiction.

I'd be fine with the cartoons in the OP image, as long as they looked nice and were well animated when necessary. Like, I fucking loved Space Dandy even though it was the same childish humour I got from most Adult Swim shows. It's just a matter of not having three backgrounds, 3/4 view character model ripped directly from the reference sheet, and that sideways eye level perspective.

What I'm saying is that I don't care if your cartoon is juvenile crap, just don't make it look like Go Animate. even if I do love ATHF

>>94149837
>make regular cartoon
>allow "adult" themes to be shown (violence, nudity, etc)
>don't overuse them or put them in for no reason
basically adding realism to any cartoon as opposed to being immature and edgy

>>94150506
Then realize that violence and nudity are not essential or particularly important to adult entertainment.

>>94149837
>dude gods not real
You know how I know you're a butthurt Christfag who's upset he wasn't allowed to watch South Park or Simpsons growing up?

>>94150176
Seconding this.

other good shows to try to emulate
>King of the Hill
>Rick and Morty
>Venture Bros
>12 oz Mouse (not it's art style)
>Simpsons ( know when to end it though)
>Space Ghost

>>94149882
Season 1-3 boondocks

>>94150482
>/co/ is made up of weeaboo simpletons who don't mind retarded juvenile humor as long as it has pretty pictures
That sounds about right.

>>94150654
Why would weeaboos be watching cartoons?

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>>94149882
L A S T M A N

>>94150545
I agree with you, they aren't necessary
but you also shouldn't ignore them in a situation where they might occur just for censorship's sake

>>94149882
Bartender

>>94150671
I don't KNOW man, why ARE you here?

Seriously,. there used to be a higher ratio of non-weebs in /co/, but the board population is like 99% entirely new now, and I'd say about 85% of that is weebs. Even when you're discussing cartoons, half the time fuckers go "of course we all know anime is objectively better" - so you can still be a weeb while watching cartoons, just make sure you obnoxiously let everyone know "BOY THIS ARCHER SURE IS GOOD BUT IT'S NOT AS FUNNY OR SEXY AS MY LITTLE SISTER CAN'T POSSIBLY BE THIS CUTE NYAAAA"

>>94150812
>I don't KNOW man, why ARE you here?
What? I just asked you why weeaboos would be watching cartoons. Are you trying to avoid the question?

>>94149837
just make people realize adult cartoons can be the exact same as children's cartoons with the exception that you can now expand upon sesitive, controversial or just depressing or dark points of the show without having to worry about censure.
the mistake people make is assuming this means you HAVE to get rid of subtlety and that you're forced to add in vulgarity to really show how adult it is, when in fact it's quite the opposite.

for example, in a cartoon like Hey Arnold, part of what makes it interesting is the subtext. if you took all the various issues the adult characters have and show them like some fucking piece in a museum it gets boring. the difference is that now you don't have to have Helga's mother drink "milkshakes", and you can be more open about the issues it causes, you don't have to tiptoe all the time.
adult language and cursing, along with drug use and so on should also only be added when it's pertinent given context and characterization.

>tl;dr: the biggest blight in adult animation is this notion that an adult cartoon has to be a vulgar comedy with characters that either have depression or a fucked-up life. it's why R&M, Seth shit and so on is all garbage.

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>>94149837
The only step is to fix adults, from being teenagers who can pay taxes to actual responsible adults who can see their flaws and strive to better themselves, admit their faults when they make mistakes and aren't prideful of being lazy shits

>>94150467
ok, post how it's been discredited instead of just stating it. because I still believe that image

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>>94149882
Venture Bros

>>94149837
Apply at a studio, slave away for a few years, write a pitch, hope that it gets noticed by someone, sell it and see it corrupted beyond your original vision, become disillusioned and continue to work.

>>94149837
If someone wanted to make an adult story they wouldn't use a cartoon as the medium to do it

>Implying adult animation is an industry and not a subset of the entire animation industry
OP is such a retard

>>94151023
1) It's a support studio. They don't make any of their own anime. They aren't going to be making what they want to make no matter what anime is in fashion.

2) Many people do want to make shows for the "obsessive fan market." People in the industry aren't any different from the fans. As shown by the animator on the right.

3) There's tons of anime that doesn't fit the "obsessive fan market" stereotypes, it's just that nobody in the West watches any of it.

>>94149837
>every male is either a retard, a drug addict or has depression or any combination of those
>every female is either a massive slut or ridiculoously prudish but with flawed morals or some other twist
>basically everyone has to be a form of degenerate
>it has to be a comedy
>it has to have violence, preferably as the solution to most problems
>at some point a topic amongst politics, religion, abortion, incest, sexual orientation or fetishes has to be featured
>the political and religious views are either controversial for the sake of drawing in audience or clearly part of a political agenda the author wants to push

this is basically the checklist for making your own adult cartoon and so long as they continue to use it adult animation will not improve significantly as a whole.

>>94151027
This is the correct answer and I can't believe it was not the first one.

>>94151115
You didn't post a lick of source disproving it, you just keep citing yourself.

Why not post the actual video or something that it's taken from so people can see for themselves that it's "untrue"?

>>94150843
Because most weeaboos are American and wind up exposed to them anyway?

Are you implying there AREN'T weeaboos on /co/ simply because if they're watching cartoons they automatically cannot be weebs?

>>94151115
I despise you /a/ssholes and your lies so goddamn much. Nobody cares about what fucking Jap losers want, we're sick of their upskirt pantyshot loser-with-a-magical-destiny-and-harem crap

>>94149882
Futurama, King of the Hill.

Smart, good jokes, sometimes subtle humor.

>>94151133
>muh sources for every single conceivable thing anyone could possibly ever say
Wikipedia was a mistake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dahTYcJR1qo#t=3m22s
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/company.php?id=3378

>>94151169
A weeaboo is someone who wouldn't watch cartoons. And there aren't weeaboos on /co/ because weeaboos don't exist anymore. Least of all here.

>>94151199
What did I lie about, and if you don't care what "Jap losers" want then why did you bring up this topic?

>we're sick of their upskirt pantyshot loser-with-a-magical-destiny-and-harem crap
Yet you keep watching it to the exclusion of everything else.

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Get back to /a/, you fucking weebs.

>>94151276
>What a whiny baby, wanting a VIDEO SOURCE for someone making the claim that SUBTITLES on a VIDEO were FAKE
>Proceeds to post video which he should've done in the fucking first place

Does being that big of a faggot hinder your movement at all?

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>>94149837
You know you can make everything sound awful by following this simple formula "DUDE [Insert part of the cartoon/movie identity here] LMAO
Also >it's badly drawn on MSPaint therefore it suck

>>94151276
>The video is exactly what the images are.
What the fuck are you trying to prove then?

>>94151309
I wish you people could switch to complaining about jews instead, because then you'd at least be complaining about people who actually exist.

>>94151324
Nobody has ever called into question the validity of the subtitles, and I'm not the one who posted that image in the first place so why do I suddenly have the responsibility to post the video it's from?

>>94150972
>i'm above other people

>>94149837
Stop expecting it to be like your Japanese animes, because that is never going to happen.
I'm not saying anime is bad or something but if you keep expecting the adult animation from the USA to be like the adult animation from Japan, then you are waiting in vain.

>>94151352
I already stated exactly what I'm trying to prove: >>94151115

>>94150169
Strangely adults seem to animate them,some say that some fabled grown-up adults even wrote those cartoons

>>94149837
>look I'm projecting

>>94149882
Drawn Together.

>>94150622
>Rick and Morty
>Literally Reditt the show

Found the troll.

why are people incapable of responding to criticism without resorting to comparisons with anime?
see>>94151376 for example.

the OP never said anything about fucking anime, he just pointed out an actual bad trend in adult animation and asked how to solve it, what does anime have to do with anything?

>>94149882
Moral Orel, Xavier, Venture bros., KotH.

>>94151378
Yeah, you're trying to prove that you're a massive faggot by stating shit like, "Not EVERYONE is like that, there are people who aren't, too!". Which is the dumbest fucking argument.

It's like me saying because we have some actually mature cartoons like Bojack or Venture Brothers that the industry isn't stagnated towards little kids.

Support studio or not, they're still contributing. Rough Draft doesn't make their own cartoons, too, but take a tour there to get a good glimpse of what America's putting out and it'd be accurate to the industry as a whole.

>>94151498
Otaku are not just passive fans, they are also creators who work in entertainment industries like anime. It's a fallacy to talk about anime creators like they are something completely distinct from otaku and have no shared interests with them. They are the same people.

>It's like me saying because we have some actually mature cartoons like Bojack or Venture Brothers that the industry isn't stagnated towards little kids.
Again, there are a lot of anime that aren't the "obsessive market" stereotypes. You people just never watch any of them.

>Support studio or not, they're still contributing.
The point is that they don't get to make their own anime in any case.

>>94150921
Yeah, lack of subtle writing is a really huge problem in adult cartoons. Even ones I like tend to be way too over the top in portraying things like alchoholism, abuse, depression, etc.

I think its because by being over the top, you can play it off as a joke. We still adhere to the idea that all adult animation must be comical, and by taking everything to 11 you get a laugh out of someone who doesn't want to take the cartoon seriously.

>>94151570
Stating what you've already said before doesn't somehow add to the argument. You're not going to disprove that the majority of anime is geared to a certain market and it's that market that keeps it alive and that market happens to be obsessive fans that enjoy pandering.

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Oh boy are we doing this again

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>>94149837
Something like this...perhaps

>>94151615
There is no singular "otaku" or singular "otaku anime," or even definitive understanding of who is and isn't an "otaku," and the distinction between "otaku" and "non-otaku" anime is very vague. For example, Westerners point to Love Live as a typical "otaku" anime that "panders" to a minority of creepy low lifes, when in reality Love Live is a popular, mainstream series.

There is, once again, a lot of anime that aren't the "obsessive market" stereotypes. You people, once again, do not watch any of it. This is not somehow the industry's fault.

Pandering has never been proven to exist and the entire concept is based on a catastrophic misconception of how things work in Japan.

>>94151635
there is more,right?

>>94149837

Infiltrate it from the inside obviously.
Get into the industry and try to make a difference.

94151709
This is some heavy levels of denial that I don't even think it's worth indulging into it.

>>94149882
>/co/ indirectly disproves the OP by showing a vast multitude of shows that don't subscribe to the OP's cancerous dichonomy

>>94149882
Himouto! Umaru-chan

>>94151464
> parroting reddit and memey
it's at least a step up a ton of the other garbage

>>94151814
A nice, vast multitude of shows that finished airing.

>>94149837
Sausage Party and Bojack Horseman?

>>94150134
Hell yeah. We need proper surrealism, instead of randomness.

>>94151309

I don't know anything about frog girl but apparently tons of people hate her. Can someone tell me why please?

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>>94151922
I don't follow that series, but I've only seen people that like her.
That guy just hates cute girls I guess.

>>94149882
Spicy City

>>94151635
someone should make a cartoon with fusion in every episode

>>94151922
She's somewhat of a mascot for leftie shitposting on /pol/

>>94151617

This is some extreme bait.

>>94151922
I'm pretty sure it's just a Beavis and Butthead reference.

>>94150134
>>94151027
These two are the best answers and it's embarassing that they weren't the first

>>94150812
>NOT AS FUNNY OR SEXY AS MY LITTLE SISTER CAN'T POSSIBLY BE THIS CUTE
I sincerely hope nobody has said that

>>94151309
>Beavis beating up Tsuyu
I want to like this because I love Beavis and Butthead and the drawing is really, really nice.
But I don't because I like Tsuyu and I don't get why this picture was made in the first place. The two have nothing in common.

>>94151445

Isn't that cartoon basically OP's pic?

>>94152137
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrolKzT2b84

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>>94149882
Aqua teen hunger force

>>94150622
>Rick and Morty
You know that show is exactly what OP's pic describes, right ?
Because in this thread we are trying to suggest shows that aren't the repetitive cliches that entail 90% of adult animation.

>>94152164
Okay, nevermind, I forgot that.

>>94149882
first 3 episodes of season 5 of samurai jack

I'm tired of ""comedy"" shows. Need more people to be given a chance on action oriented shows with an overarching plot

>>94152098
That's a ridiculous example that probably never happened, let alone in a fucking Archer thread.
More likely it's kids who read Berserk or watch Cowboy Bebop for the first time and shill it in a Samurai Jack thread or something.
Or you know, Jojofags.

>>94150482
You realize Space Dandy is anime, right?

It's funny, whenever /co/ has an example of "a good cartoon", it's just an anime series or an anime wannabe.

By making them all Simpsons clones again

>>94150134
YOU SNOZE, YOU LOZE

>>94149837
Bojack Horseman is not a mediocre cartoon.

>>94149882
The new Castlevania series. The problem comes with the thinking that adult animation NEEDS to aspire to a certain genre or category.

The new Castlevania could've easily been done in live action, and was strongly pushed for. The only reason it ended up animated is because the creator insisted on it.

>>94152386
you're right it's shit.

>>94149837
each side of this dichotomy makes for great television when done well, it's just easy to point at egregious examples of when it isn't

>>94149882
most responses here fall safely into one or both categories but most are good shows

>>94152589
Die please

>>94149837
Sausage Party already fixed the adult animation industry. /co/ of early 2016 told me it would.

>>94152696
Fixed my erectile dysfunction too.

>>94151027
haven't seen it but it looks overrated

>>94149882
Metalocalypse.

>>94149837
By making the animated equivalent of The Godfather, Casablanca, Citizen Kane, Pulp Fiction, 2001, etc. rather than just DUDE WEED BLOOD LMAO

>>94151814
>A handful of exceptions, many of which flopped, being a vast multitude

>>94152406
They should've just made that movie Valerian animated. It wouldn't have cost so much and be such an embarrassing flop.

>>94152207
I thought OP's pic was supposed to be Bojack?

>>94149837
Sonic Boom writting, but for adults.

>>94149837
>Learn how to animate and/or write and make your own cartoon
>stfu
Everyone in this thread pick exactly one. You faggots circlejerk so hard it's gonna start a fucking hurricane.

>>94152346
>I am illiterate

>I hate anime
>Do I fit in yet, guys?

This entire thread in a nutshell. Why hasn't it been deleted yet?

>>94152728
>it looks overrated
Not really, it's mostly underrated. Other than here on 4chan, it's not so active subreddit, or some fan forum, etc it gets very little attention online compared to stuff like Rick and Morty

>>94149882
awkwardly, early simpsons

>>94149966
scruffythejanitorsecond.jpeg

>>94152386
Unironically I fucking loathe that show and I've attempted suicide before.

>>94153924
There was already a French-Japanese Valerian animated series.

>>94152137
>The two have nothing in common.

FRRRROOOOGGGGG BAAASEBAAAAAALLLLLL

>>94149882
Castlevania.

>>94150282
t. Weeb

>>94150134

This, early Adult Swim shows (Space Ghost, Aqua Teens and Harvey Birdman) and Duckman

>>94149837
Evangelion was a mistake in the same way adventure time was a mistake

>>94151617
Literally nobody likes when a character is brought back to life, unless you're stupid, no matter if It's /co/ or /a/

>>94150921
I guess one to say is that they spend too much time trying to justify their age rating
On a semi related note you could say the same about a lot of Hollywood live action films

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>>94157156
Evangelion was a much, much different mistake.

>>94152145
It knew what it was, and never had stupid "sad" episodes. It was just wacky stupid fun. It's definitely worth watching, the cancer race episode is pretty fucking hilarious.

>>94151372
>I fail to recognize others are doing better than I and I would much rather put them on my level instead of seeking help
classic

>>94151617
fuck you faggot

>>94149966
Literally the first panel of op

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>>94157801

>>94157666
you know there's something wrong when one of the only people with a decent point in a thread is Satan

>>94149837
Recognize the potential for amazing visuals that animation provides and make more action and speculative fiction animation targeted at adults.

If you're looking for a property to use as a base, use something like Conan the Barbarian or Jodorowsky and Moebius's sci-fi comics.

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>>94150622
>12 oz mouse
>Good
Where did this meme come from

I'm not even complaining about the art, it's incomprehensible shit

>>94158332
>Conan the Barbarian
I would kill for a Conan cartoon

>>94158382
>>94158332
Hell, I forgot the horror genre as well. If we're culling from the same crop that brought us Conan, adapt Lovecraft. Animation would be perfect for visually demonstrating things that wouldn't be convincing in live-action. In addition, adaption to a visual medium could actually be used to make improvements on flaws in Lovecraft's writing, such as his purple prose.

>>94155408
I'd be interested to hear a more detailed explanation of why you feel that way.

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This should be turned into an animated film. The Oscars would finally award something that isn't Disney/Pixar.

>>94158583
it's sad you believe that
I don't care how many jews you pack in those committees, if it's animated they ain't watching it

>>94149837
Don't.
Cartoons are meant and always should be for kids.

>>94158717
They don't have to watch it. The subject-matter alone would make it irresistible to the Academy. Plus, everyone's getting sick of Disney.

>>94149837

Realize that adult animation can be more than just edgy humor and social satire.

Adult animation misses the mark in that there's no thematic diversity. It's either an exercise in edginess, or humor with more mature themes that sometimes make social commentary. I don't have anything against those things; fucking Superjail! and Futurama are great. It's just that's the complete limit of the genre as far as the west is concerned. In some ways, a lot of "adult" shows are just as shallow as their kids' animation counterparts.

On top of that, because the vast majority of adult shows are talking-head comedies, the animation is barely above "polished and functional". No aspect of the medium is used in interesting or unique ways to convey momentum, emotion or subtlety (with Superjail! being one notable exception).

Adult life is a fucking incredible experience. You get so much shit thrown at you. Good and bad. Through a full year, you'll find something to laugh about, cry about, celebrate, get enraged at, act upon or hide from. Things like Bojack and Futurama can sometimes get close to the root of some of these things, but ultimately they are carried by the humor (or in Bojack's case, some of the more nuanced themes are awkwardly juxtaposed with the peculiar extent of its juvenile humor, like the fucking spaghetti strainer finale of season 3).

Think of the best written television dramas you've seen. We're missing those kinds of plots in animation. Granted, you can just make the argument that if good writing is all you need, why bother animating it when you can just have actors; but, the challenge of actually using animation in a meaningful way that can carry a story or moments in those stories more effectively than its acted counterparts is something that has been almost completely neglected in most adult animated shows.

>>94158583
Remember kids, Big Hero 6 got

>>94152385
YOU SLUMBER, A CUCUMBER

>>94158583
I'm pretty sure the creator of Maus never wanted it turned into a cartoon or anything and has refused every offer to him.

I think we should respect that guy and his father's wishes. Also
>That yandere his father encounters.

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>>94152038
How the fuck did that happen?

>>94159176
As time passes, foreign and indie members of the Academy will outnumber mainstream-studio ones; they will band together to select only worthy movies and have Disney and other Hollywood cartoons all but out of competition.

Look what happened with Best Animated Short; Disney used to win every goddamn time, and now it's mostly indie works.

>>94158345
I like it but I can't really explain why. I just found the experience of watching the show and seeing the plot elements form and just trying to follow the story to be strangely engaging.

It's a dumb but strangely entertaining show, but I don't think it's a show everybody would enjoy as much as I did and I'm thankful that something like it was even made and broadcast on TV.

>>94159220
YOU NAPPA, YOU GET A-SLAPPA

>>94149882
OP's point is that they don't exist.

bumple

>>94149891
Wakfu was garbage.

"bump"

>>94159634
YOU CATCH UP ON SOME ZEDS, YOU GET OUTTA MY HEAD!

>>94151406
You don't see infants building themselves cribs or rattles

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>>94150137
Ahhh you mean manchild faggots like this who can't even get through a season without a seven month hiatus because they can't lay off the cosplay whores and cheap liquor?

>>94165442
Yep,that's the one.

>>94165442
Jesus christ look at that hairline go!

>>94165035
YOU SLUMBER, HAMburgerdon'twannatalkaboutnothingelse

>>94158583
>The guy that made this also made Garbage Patch
That always surprises me no matter how many times I hear it.

>>94151084
lol the bible is literally fan fiction. you can get off your high horse at any time.

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>>94150137
What about people who shit on the studio they work at?

>>94149837
We just need more action-base adult animation, i'm fucking tired of sitcoms, and not even good sitcoms like King of the Hill or Morel Orel, but bad sitcoms as Family guy

>>94151464
i've never been to reddit. how about you tell us how it's "literally" something

>>94152207
>exactly what OP pic describes

no. not at all.

>>94149882
Samurai Jack.

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>>94149837
>dude gore lmao
What's so bad about gore? It's something I look for in lots of my entertainment choices.

>>94149837
stop allowing children to watch cartoons

>>94151027
Maybe it could be more influential if it didn't have 20 year gaps between seasons.

I honestly don't care about the state of "adult animation" as I think it's something that's developing on its own, and doesn't really need saving.

However I hope we all can agree that cartoons in general need to realize the importance of proper/good music outside of singalongs.
I mean the last time I watched a cartoon that gave a shit about music, I was watching Looney tunes.

>>94159331
Piper still won over pear cider and cigarrettes, i'm still mad that a glorified tech demo won

>>94166086
Not even just season 5, but jack as a whole, and symbionic titan, and clone wars... I just want more genndy

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>>94149837
Stop seeing "adult" as just shits, tits and gibs, and actually do stuff that people watch live-action movies and TV for with the added benefit of not having to worry about dodgy CG.