>Hasn’t history proven that Marx’s vision of an egalitarian

>>94136115
...shut up

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>>94136115
>Marx’s vision of an egalitarian utopia is unattainable
>Marx
>egalitarian utopia
>he doesn't know Marx spent heaps of his time btfoing utopian socialists
baka read a book nigga

We've gone... back in time.

>>94136182
nu-uh

>>94136115
>Hasn't history proved that capitalism only survived because it took social measures to prevent the miserable living conditions that gave rise to Marxism anyway?
Isn't it happening again because the USSR fwll?

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This is what the anarchists were saying from the beginning. The people who run the 'socialist' state become the new ruling class. This is why the overthrow of capitalism must also come with the overthrow of the state.

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>>94136115
Was Quinn in the wrong here?

>>94136170
YOU shut up. I hereby declare Martian Law.

>>94136266
Can you marry people?

>can't even start a sealab thread anymore without it turning into political shitposting

what the fuck happened to this place

>>94136290
>what the fuck happened to this place
Pod 6

>>94136185
save it for queen dopplepopolis

>>94136249
Pure anarchy just leads to the survival of the strongest/meanest, which leads to another shit society where nothing ever gets done.

Would you guys put your brain in a robot body?

>>94136498
have fun on the robot reservations, suckers

>>94136182
Sauce on that?

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Hey, where'd you get those kickass pipes???

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>>94136249
>>94136481
So some sort of wilderness guideline. A natural order, if you will.

>>94136655
He's right. They will screw us.

>>94136290
well sealab 2021 was over a decade ago so most people here think OP is actually talking about communism and not referencing some shitty obscure show no one's ever seen

>>94136757
thanks for that, anon

>>94136952
I used that line on facebook, with a pic of quinn and everything, and it was a shit show.
>inb4 normiebook reeee

>>94136952
>some shitty obscure show no one's ever seen

1/10

>>94136115
...villafy!

>>94136720
The german ideology and the critique of the gotha programme

>>94136262
oh shit those whiskery cheeks

>>94136498
Will I gave the strength of 10 men?

>I'M BIZARRO STORMY!

>All this fucktards not getting the reference
Yep, this board crossed the event horizon.

>>94137176
I'm regular Stormy

>>94137222
nice

>>94136301
Pod 6 is jerks!

Oddly enough, marxism isn't nearly as destructive to nations as international free markets. It's an absolute trash system to be sure, but possibly the ONLY silver lining is that it makes countries so terrible that nobody wants to go there. As a result when communist governments collapse, as they always do, the nation survives because it's people haven't been drowned in a sea of foreigners.

>>94137218
Eh, this show hasn't aired in 12 years. Most of the posters here were probably in preschool around then.

>>94136952

Somehow, whenever someone wants to start a Sealab thread, they do so with this quote, as if they want to invite /pol/ over to fight with that one communist anon.

There will be no real discussion of Sealab here.

>>94137129
What about it?
Sorry, I dont want to make you angry, but a quick read about it didnt give me any real insight.

>>94137331
Way to go Anon, you broke the monitor and you're dead. Happy?

>>94137331
Sealab was a good show and I miss it, while I am happy that it ended and it wont be ruined.
One of the best shows of adult swim ever.
I loved Storm... did we ever get to see Black Storm?

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>>94136290
People literally make these threads just to post this, don't they?
You have no interest in talking about Sealab, you just want to pretend you were surprised that people were more interested in shitposting about politics.

>>94136733
HESH WANTS SEX

>>94137275
That's all terrible.

>>94137449
What part didn't you get?
From what I understand those are marx's critiques of german idealism and utopian socialism

>>94137449
>>94137636
Just read Engels if you want a quick explanation.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/
Basically, utopians think you can get communism by convincing people rationally, and we will all just achieve communism by practicing it on our own (such as starting our own commune and just turning it into a movement of leaving capitalism). "Scientific" socialists think that the transition to communism will happen much like the transition to capitalism away from feudalism, which is to say that it will happen as a result of a combination of material factors (technology, class antagonism, etc) and will require a violent revolution and mass societal change. It's also based on the idea of a "dialectical process" wherein socialists chart the evolution of society in history much the way that scientists can chart the evolution of animals.

>>94137745
>>94137636
Thanks anon, that helped a lot!
Marx was the scientific, right?

>>94137778
>Marx was the scientific, right?
?

>>94137745
Marx's idea of a classless society still sounds like a utopian ideal regardless If there's a strain of socialist thought called "utopian" which Marx did not represent.

Indeed, utopians sound like harmless quixotics who won't cause tyranny whereas "scientifics" are always "one corpse away from utopia" and inflict horrible suffering on their countries.

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>>94136115

THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING HOTSUIN WOULD SAY!

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How about a libertarian utopia?
>It wasn't impossible to build Sealab at the bottom of the sea. It was impossible not to.

Damn now I want a Bioshock themed Sealab episode.

>>94137850
>>94137745
>implyiing real comunism was ever implemented

>>94136115
No, it hasnt.

>>94137931
Just leave it dead, anon

>>94137938
>implyiing real comunism was ever implemented
There you go again

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>RRRRRRRIBS!

>>94137960
So you agree it was never done as it should have.

>>94137938

>Keep trying the same thing and expecting different results.

How many deaths is too many, anon?

It won't ever work because people aren't ants.

>>94137530
No, it was tradition for fucking years to start off Sealab threads this way. Fucking every time it get political now.

>>94136986
>normiebook
You get what you buy.
At least try signaling some virtue there, buddy.
All the cool kids are doing it, so should you if you are gonna stay on that shit hole.

>>94137998
So people ought to know by now it will get political, yet someone always pretends to be surprised when yet again it turns political.

>>94137986
If that's what you want to glean from that I won't stop you.

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>>94137938

>Communism can't fail, but people can fail Communism.

>>94138011
But if the 2008 crisis was caused by government distortion of the market than that IS THE POINT; that the government meddling was harmful and that it wouldn't have happened with a truly free market.

>>94137778
Marx was the "idea guy" while Engels, the guy he wrote Communist Manifesto with, was the actual scholar who did the heavy lifting intellectually speaking.

The irony is most everyone associates Marx with the communist ideals, when really Engels is the one who thought up the core concepts. Marx just helped him make it more palatable for the masses

Hesh wants sex

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>>94138078
But if the collapse of the Soviet Union was caused by state capitalist policies then that IS THE POINT; that the non-socialist elements were harmful and that it wouldn't have happened with true socialism

>>94138065
That's true though, communism as a concept is solid but it's not practical because people can't be expected to put forth an effort under a communist system where they see return on their expended effort.

>>94136115
Go post political bait somewhere else OP.

>>94136115
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJlidLVfwWc

>>94138081
Did Engels write Das Kapital? No. No he didn't.

>>94138011
nice try, but your logic iis fglawed... so flwed that I wont even bother pointing it out... nothing personnel kid.

>>94138108
The Soviet Union collapsed because an illiberal system tried to liberalize a little bit and it bust apart like a spring.

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>>94138126

If it cannot be practically implemented in reality, then it is a flawed concept in need of revision.

>>94138191
*rests shoulder on ur head*

>>94138191
>>94138221
I dont get it

>>94138206
That's the point, it's a flawed ideology in the sense it's unobtainable. But under ideal conditions it makes total sense.

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Shut up you mailbox heads and post some Captain Murphy.

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>>94138237
congratulations you can join

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>>94138289

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>>94138318

And there go my nipples again.

What's your favorite episode /co/?

I have no idea why but I can't get over how fucking funny the first one was. Something about how dry the dialogue was in the face of their base blowing up and nobody giving a shit.

>>94138078
>But if the 2008 crisis was caused by government distortion of the market
Okay, but why are we talking about hypothetical imaginary worlds? The actual 2008 crisis was created by individual actors in the market trying to screw each other for profit, and making a crash much worse than it had to be in a scheme to make a ton of money. How do you look at that and say "Oh, if only they were more economically free, they wouldn't have done all the shady things they did."

>>94138441

Tinfins, the one where the show is actually a movie being filmed, Murphy trapped under the soda machine...a bunch, really.

>>94137862
Ronaldo is a cunt. Fuck you, I'm never going to 100% that game, because I simply refuse to do his shitty brainwashing everybody is friends path.

>>94138292
Im from Texas, for all red blood cell in my body there is a white cel and a blue cell too.
I would gladly give my life to serve and protect my country from those rapists and their failled system.

>>94138563
All my ex's live in Texas
And Texas is the place I'd dearly love to be
But all my ex's live in Texas
And that's why I hang my hat in Tennessee ;-;

>>94137938
>muh true communism

>>94137745
So, you agree with Quill?
Fucking commies.

>Sparks: I think the main impetus was... my Gundam told me to.
>Interviewer: Gun... what?
>Sparks: Gun-dam. He's my mentor in Astrotology.
>Interviewer: Right... the Hollywood cults.
>Sparks: ITS NOT A CULT!.....It's a religion.
>Interviewer: Not according to the IRS...
>Sparks: Ho, there will a day of reckoning for you, non-believer! A totalling of sums! And a snapping of necks! And you will count yourself among the damned!

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>>94138441
Happy cake.

>>94138658

Lahk a theeck croisaaaaaaaa...

>>94136249

All that accomplishes in the long term is restarting the cycle of the consolidation of societies and power. I've talked with anarchists before and neither the left or right wing types can convincingly answer what will change that won't make people band together in ever larger governments to better control the natural resources around them.

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>For the last time cretins, where is the destructo beam?!

>>94138759
I thought it was diamonds?

>>94136498
I'll only put my brain in a robot body if I can put it in a robot cat!

>>94136182
Animal farm was a commentary on marxism from a trotsky-ist.

Hence:
"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others."

>>94137850
Marxism while trying to overthrow classes instead creates new classes.

look at napolean being "more equal"

>>94136498

Can I be an Adrienne Barbeau-bot?

D-Cups! Of justice!

>>94136249
I'll say this:
An anarchy is better than a straight, pure democracy. But not by much. A monoarchy would be an improvement on both.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ME

nobody shucks my corn but meeeeeeee

>>94138441
>>94138658

>>94138923
>Animal farm was a commentary on marxism from a trotsky-ist.
False.
>But despite this literary device, Orwell was, in fact, a decided critic of Trotsky. In 1939, a year before Trotsky’s death by an ice-axe wielding Soviet agent, Orwell refused to just blame Stalin for the Soviet dictatorship:

>“Trotsky, in exile, denounces the Russian dictatorship, but he is probably as much responsible for it as any man now living, and there is no certainty that as a dictator he would be preferable to Stalin.”

>Indeed, the very presence of Trotsky and Lenin in the Bolshevik coup planted “the seeds of a totalitarian society” well before the advent of Stalin, according to Orwell.

>Even in the “Trotskyite” Animal Farm, Orwell’s antipathy toward Trotsky was apparent. In an answer to a correspondent asking when the “Animal Revolution” turned toward dictatorship, Orwell said it was when “Napoleon” and “Snowball” requisitioned the best food on the farm, apples, and milk, solely for themselves.

>>94138658

Oh, poop.

>>94138979
What happened to Calamine in the end? did they make it to big time?

>>94139372
>False.
No, it's true.
>When asked about their relationship, Orwell referred to Trotsky as, "totes a dreamboat."

I'm joking, I appreciate the correction and really enjoy the elucidation, where'd you source taht from?

>>94137964
>slathered drenched sloppy baby backed ribs baby

>>94138318
>too bad

>>94137938
It can't be implemented because of human nature.

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>I gotta have a baby /co/!

>>94139599
The outside quote was from "The liberty conservative" who certainly have their own spin on what Orwell's views were, which you can buy or not, but the quotes are valid. The one about Trotsky is from a book review, but incomplete

>“It is probably a good thing for Lenin’s reputation that he died so early. Trotsky, in exile, denounces the Russian dictatorship, but he is probably as much responsible for it as any man now living, and there is no certainty that as a dictator he would be preferable to Stalin, though undoubtedly he has a much more interesting mind. The essential act is the rejection of democracy – that is, of the underlying values of democracy; once you have decided upon that, Stalin – or at any rate someone like Stalin – is already on the way” (from George Orwell, The Collected Essays, Journalism and Letters , Vol 1, as are all the quotes in this article).

So essentially, although he found Trotsky interesting, Orwell was of the opinion that as the communists rejected democratic ideals, they set themselves up for tyranny from early on.

I've got something for you.

>>94139716
As long as he doesn't touch my stash.

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>>94137449
how about READ THE FUCKING BOOK NIGGA

>>94139828
What is it?

>>94139987

A book.

>>94140031
What's the book about?

>>94140047

......................

Eating babies.

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>>94138759
just give him the damn beans already

(knowing laugh)

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*equipment beeping*

Ha! cha cha cha cha! Delicious!

>>94138441
The one they're trapped in the janitor closet
The one where the spic tells his survival story after being presumably dead
Any part where Shesh talks

>>94138441
>>94141025
And then one where Stormy got tits
And the one with the happy pills

>>94137931
Didn't they have a libertarian utopia episode?
monkey banana raffle

QUETZALCOATL!!!

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>>94137938
>>implying real communism was ever implemented

here we fucking go

MARDUK, SON OF IA; SLAYER OF TIAMAT.

I gotta have that dick!

>>94138126
>communism as a concept is solid but it's not practical because people can't be expected to put forth an effort under a communist system where they see return on their expended effort.

how is "centralized planning in every aspect of human life in the form of an all-encompassing, hideously transgressive yet vaguely defined and vaguely limited state" a solid concept?

if the implementation isn't stipulated, if the guidelines and failsafes aren't stipulated, it's a shit concept for a form of government.

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I'm from /tg/. I came here today in search of a thread on that squirrel from "The Sword in the Stone". Looks like I'm going to be defending the Immortal Science instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGuZ1sBoMJ0

>>94141526
Not him: It wasn't implemented. The common point of contention was that it was never tried.
The problem with communism is that it has never successfully been implemented, because (presumably) it can't be. Every implementation attempt has failed.

>>94141695
Because that's a laughably failed implementation. In concept it's a classless, stateless society where people produce things to use instead of to exchange with others for money. (Or something along those lines.)

Now that implementing a classless stateless society etc etc etc is utopian fantasy is neither here nor there, but few people (lingering stalinists aside) point to the USSR and go "Ah yes, that's what we were trying to do!"

>>94138746

Nothing wrong with people banding together as long as it's voluntary instead of in any way compulsory

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>>94138011
>Capitalism requires the voluntary exchange of goods
>Well what about this country where there is no volunteerism

>>94136481
So ultimately the best option ends up being the liberal capitalist society we currently live in.
Because nobody is opressed due to their political, religious or scientific views and because the society is functional and provides for the people while people provide for the society.

>>94140486
BIZARROOOOO!

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God, nothing makes me more saddened for humanity than seeing people talking "scientific socialism", backing up anything Marx has written, acting like communism isn't utopic by definition, not knowing it has been refuted in the fucking 50's, it's literally impossible to be implemented and it doesn't even allows for art and entertainment.

Fucking stop, you're not smart, ok?!
I deal with this shit day to day on an aspiring socialist country, I need to debate with morons that have no idea how production and distribution on the market even works. I don't need this shit on /co/, of all places.
I mean, it's the ideal place for fantasies, I guess, but at least let's use a smart one.

>>94137931

I thought Bioshock was all about Objectivism gone wrong. As if it was even right in the first place.

>>94138078
No it wasn't. It was caused by deregulation of the financial sector. But why would I argue with you? You've probably never even heard of Gram Leach Bliley.

>>94142997
>point out China's spectacular economic growth, reduction in mortality, etc.
"Ah well China isn't socialist, it's state capitalist"
>point out China's human rights abuses, famine deaths 50+ years ago, etc.
"Ah well China's socialist you see..."

Anyway, the exchange of labour for wages and of goods for currency in China is as free - if not freer - in Chinese enterprise than in the USA. (Where there are much more stringent regulations on terms-and-conditions of exchange.) China's deficits come more in other areas of negative liberty which aren't necessary for capitalism in and of itself. (See also Pinochet's Chile for political repression in combination with capitalism.)

>>94138011
Stop trying to project human characteristics on capitalism. It's not an ideology like socialism. It's a trading system between voluntary parties, that's all it is. Caveman have been doing it, animals do it. IT'S NOT AN IDEOLOGY, stop treating it like one.
Capitalism isn't the problem of anything, because it's the only fucking system there is. Doesn't exist another option, besides communism that is literally impossible to enforce and socialism that cannot economically work and will collapse, not to even mention the censoring and strip of freedom that it's inherent to it.
We have capitalism because we have to, people then do all kinds of shitty of things with it, that doesn't invalidate capitalism by proxy.

>>94140100
shes gotta have a baby

>>94142721
>join our tribe so we can access your resource or we'll kill you
Yeah real voluntary

>>94143315
Ideology is unconscious assumption.
Your post is pure ideology.

Capitalism isn't simply free trade, or voluntary association. It's defined by the existence of capital. Hunter-Gatherers did not have capital. You don't have to be a communist to recognize this.

>>94143361
Define capital.

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>>94143320
GOOD ENOUGH

>>94143315
That isn't capitalism that's trade, you idiot. You seriously need to kill yourself.

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I NEED EXACT CHANGE

>>94143408
Capital refers to financial assets or the financial value of assets, such as funds held in deposit accounts, as well as the tangible machinery and production equipment used in environments such as factories and other manufacturing facilities. Additionally, capital includes facilities, such as the buildings used for the production and storage of the manufactured goods. Materials used and consumed as part of the manufacturing process do not qualify.

>>94143408
Financial assests, ie money. I know you thought this was a trap but you literally have no idea what the word means.

MODS. PLEASE.

>>94143458
Assets are goods with interest. All that capital is is interest.
The only reason money is viewed as a good it's because society has attributed interest to it.

no comics
no cartoons

why do the mods let these threads stay up again?

>>94143462
>>94143679
>being this pathetically desperate for the mods to come let you suckle their teets and tuck you in and give you a kiss goodnight
lol

>>94138441
Fusebox

It's fucking amazing.

SIEG HEIL CORNELIUS DREBBEL

[Victory welfare Cornelius Drebbel]

>>94143423
>tfw Ben died

>>94136249
Anarcho-communism is a special kind of stupid. If you got rid of the government, everything would be privatized, essentially creating a Randian society but without a government controlled criminal justice system, and if you wanna know how well that'll turn out, study the current criminal justice system in the U.S.

>>94144943
Private prisons and diet slavery?

>>94143361
it is also projection. just so people know it is not only internal

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>>94143082
Laughing at your life m8

>>94136249
>overthrow the state
>the strong consolidate and defend resources, like food
>people go where the food is and exchange goods and services for it
>basic needs are being being met, the families of the strong start demanding luxury products and entertainment
>more people come to meet this new demand so they can also get food
>someone decides that lugging around a fucking goat is too much effort, invents an object that promises the holder it's worth the value of 1 goat
>base it off something everyone wants, maybe some sort've precious metal
>oh shit

>>94136115
WOKE

>>94144943
With no justice system though, "private ownership" as a concept has no legal defense, and the only ownership that would matter is what you could defend and precent people from taking. Anarchy as an ideology makes no sense ro me, because it would be by necessity be a transitional state until the next heirarchy arises.

>>94145029
credit is older than the concept of money no one trusts money without it

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No.

The lack of Sealab in this thread is disgusting.

/co/ is jerks.

>>94145832
Don't you mean BIZARRO JERKS?!

>>94143310
>point out China's spectacular economic growth, reduction in mortality, etc.
>"Ah well China isn't socialist, it's state capitalist"
>point out China's human rights abuses, famine deaths 50+ years ago, etc.
>"Ah well China's socialist you see..."

Ah the ever famous retarded communist strawman.

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>>94136115
Marx didn't really envision a utopia, he genuinely thought that Communism was the inevitable end-result of the dialectical process of history.

What Marx failed to understand, and indeed what Marxists to this day refuse to understand, is that the premise of the Dialectic is empirically false. It simply isn't how history works. Ideas do not always synthesize. History does not move in the neat thesis antithesis synthesis process that Hegel envisioned and it definitely isn't proceeding as Marx predicted.

Forget the morality or desirability of Communism--if Marx were right, it would've already happened. We got the age of revolution but it didn't produce what he said it would produce. The USSR created the Dictatorship of the Proletariat but the withering of the State never occurred. It never even got close to occurring. Revolutionary Catalonia rapidly became an oligarchy of worker's unions officials who treated the proles like cattle. Cuba is literally a monarchy. Marx was empirically wrong and this is no longer debatable.

Whether or not you desire a communist future, the time has come to acknowledge that Marx was fucking wrong and history did not play out as he anticipated it would. The fact that people are still citing someone who was provably, objectively wrong is baffling to me, it's like citing a doomsday cultist who thought the world would end in 1485. It fucking didn't, so obviously he was wrong. If you're interested in Anarcho-Socialism that ISN'T based in empirical falsehood, read Bakunin. He correctly predicted the exact cause and form of Marx's failure.

>>94142721
That only works for one generation at best. As soon as someone has a kid they get to be part of their parents' social contract whether they like it or not.

>>94146017
China implemented market reforms under Deng Xiaoping in 1978 which literally fixed its economy overnight. These reforms, by any standard, were Capitalist in the extreme. China's history of mass murder and starvation occurred prior to these reforms, when the country was still Hard Socialist under Mao.

This isn't to say that the modern Chinese state is angelic. Far from it it is still a repressive dystopian nightmare of corrupt bureacracy and nepotism, but that isn't really a function of Socialism or Capitalism, it's just how things have been in China since Qin Shi Huang somehow convinced the intellectual class that corruption is actually a good thing as long as it's legal because asdfg.

The recurring theme of Chinese history is twofold: Peasant rebellions and incompetent totalitarian governments. These tend to move in cycles. China frankly should never have been one country.

>>94143315
This anon gets it, too many people confusing and comparing economic systems with / to social ones.

Marxism was built under the flawed premise of minimizing labor and maximizing leisure. It's a fundamental failing to understand human nature. To quote Madison, ambition must be made to counteract ambition.

It is no wonder that in the communist system of suppressed individuality, the relentlessly ambitious easily attained power because they were ideologically unopposed. You can lament the fact that everyone on Earth can't start blinking in unison so that communism can "work", or you can thank god humans aren't so meek and pathetic.

>>94145832
You guys will have to find another OP because this happens all the time.

>>94136115
Quinn was the only nigger i liked.

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>>94136249
>>94136115
Throughout the history of humanity there have been individuals and groups, clearly greater than the rest, who through their strength have risen above the masses and ruled. Intellectually, politically, economically. There is nothing wrong with this. The purpose of civilization is not to reach a compromise acceptable to everyone, but to create a system which nurtures, encourages and in a word produces these people.

>>94140244
Hey, is that quote from Animal farm?

>>94141695
If you ask me, communism, capitalism and socialism should be treated as tools for a large society and not as a sole principle to direct the country.

It's clear to me that capitalism is best used in productive areas keen on expansion while socialism is best used in areas where the consensus is to support the overwhelming majority to a degree that doesn't conflict with their development.

I'm Canadian so maybe I'm a little biased but it seems like there are a lot of variations to these ideologies placed through out our systems that it seems to work relatively well for the most part.

>>94146315
seems to me what he's saying is that the preferred alternative for some is just that. Small communities that live and die with it's people. Not an earth rattling society but something that others can call their own and not affect others in the same way our society does.

Friendly reminder that all systems of government are inherently dysfunctional in the absence of societal trust.

Reminder that high levels of societal trust only exist within tightly knit, homogeneous populations.

Without first establishing an ethnostate all arguments regarding the nature of the social-structure are useless and will end in failure.

>>94146462
>Canadian

Well there's the problem right there. You think Americans can comprehend anything remotely positive from their opposing side?

>>94146579
I think everyone understands at some level that it's people who ultimately determine the outcome of a system. It's more to do with what can be done to best ensure it doesn't fail. Capitalism seems like it can come back from corruption but that is in part thanks to outside involvement like government or whistle blowers. Socialism needs an outside moderator to protect it's people from the government if it ever wishes to succeed past being a secondary system to an anchored capitalist society.

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>>94138441
waking quinn is my go to favorite...
>Oh crap oh crap oh crap on a crap cracker
>SAFE
>STINKY STINKY PETE!
>A CHA CHA CHA DELICIOUS!

>>94136498
Depends on the robot:
>clanky, weak to water, claw for hands automaton
fug no
>strength enhanced human look-alike with super abilities and nanite regeneration
fug yes

You don't like me? Fine. Watch Annie May

>>94147015

>I think everyone understands at some level that it's people who ultimately determine the outcome of a system

They sure don't act like it.

The issue of societal trust is treated like a non-issue in modern Western politics. It's all just people screaming their ideas at each other, seemingly unaware that, regardless of who "wins" in the end, we'll all still need to actually live under that system and function as a society, and if we all despise each other then it's completely irrelevant which system we're under. Because everyone will be spending all their time trying to exploit it and get one over on their fellow citizens.

>>94146362
Well, fuck it.

As of now i'm SECEDING from /this/ thread.

What if we called you White Stormy?

>>94147103
That's the nature of debate, theory, hindsight and foreshadowing often takes dominance of reality. Despite this however, when the chips are down, your average person will take a mans character into greater consideration than their ideals. That's why as a society develops, transparency and individual powers will become more substantial.

>>94138078
but that's wrong. It happened because the government STOPED regulating the financial sector.

>>94147703
Does that mean there's a Black Stormy?

>>94137218
you can get the reference and still talk about communism anon
sealab threads are always just people commenting with quotes a d pictures from the show
there's nothing left to discuss when the show hasn't aired in like 10+ years
just enjoy the ride

>>94148716
Don't you mean BLAKZZARO Stormy?

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>>94136115

OXYGEN NARCOSIS!!!

This thread is an Alvis day miracle

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>>94151954
It is, except for the anons talking about about off topic political garbage.

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>>94148716
Not anymore.

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>dolphin noises

>>94146354
>Marxism was built under the flawed premise of minimizing labor and maximizing leisure.
No it isn't. Marxism is founded on the ideal that the worker should be the primary beneficiary of their labor. The is why the phrase "those who do not work shall not eat" that conservatives love to parrot was actually used in the Soviet constitution as well.

BIZARRO

Dictation of the amount of money a person can have is always a sign that the promise of a political view will always be totalitarian.

>>94154789
were both not true?

>>94155585
wtf bosses offering salary are hitler now

Top banana! Peel that and suck it!

>>94152578
Bet you I can kill a guy with my toes

Humans are naturally too individualistic for communism to work.

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You see this? You see the way my body is glowing like that? Yeah...a lot of people can't do that. You want some? You want some of the glowing?

>>94136115
Would you say communism is an... Uh Oh

>>94155910
Total equal distribution of wealth does not equal your paycheck cap you stupid klutz

>>94159339
Post said defining the amount of money a person can have, not defining the amount of money all people can have, nor defining the distribution of all money had.

a boss defines the amount of money a person can have.

>>94137331
Luckily, while it hasn't been as /co/ related as it should be, it has had better discussion than the usual /pol/ thread.

Who put bullets in the campfire?

>>94159399
Ok, let's say that I said about
>defining the amount of money all people can have
was bad and leave it from there