Sooooooooo....it's not a flashback.

I thought it was obvious, since Moon's gloves were so high up, enough to cover up her veins.

>>94098143
What are the chances they get back together so Marco gets jealous and this becomes the relationship drama of the season?

>>94099403
This path is obvious. Daron is going with the Ross and Rachel method of romance. On again, off again unrequited love until the final season.

>>94099403

Doubtful, this really feels like a one episode thing. There was a reason they got together in the first place and this episode will deal with that, but there's also a reason they broke up, and we'll get details with that as well.

I'm guessing by the end of the episode they'll have sorted, or have begun to sort, through their issues and end up as friends.

>>94098143
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

STARCO SHITTERS BTFO

I still think that it's a flashback.

>>94098143
Wait, those 2 are not really in bad terms are they?Why they're angry at each other out of nowhere?

>>94099436
Why does it hurt seeing Star and Marco have romantic relationships other than with themselves?

>>94099403
Marco is in a fulfilling relationship with Jackie.

He'd be happy star is happy.

>>94099614
Either something happens or he is just salty about the whole breakup thing

and Star was hostile to him even before this

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>>94099464
This.
And once Tom is over Star the way is clear for the true endgame ship.

>>94098143
Starco is dead? Good riddance. A princess belong to a prince and Marco already found his true love, Jackie. Just because Star and Marco are BFFs don't mean they have to fuck

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>>94101056

>>94099436
>Daron is going with the Ross and Rachel method of romance
So she want to ruin her own show

>>94101056
*something

>>94101373
How did you acquire such shit taste?

>>94099614
theyre dancing for royal reasons only, to get river and demon king to stop fighting.

>>94098143
Best ship
Too bad it's doomed since Star and Marco are based on the creator and her husband

>>94098143
yeah that vague statement doesn't exactly count as proof it isn't a flashback

but whatever, I'm sure we will learn the truth, in November!!!

>>94101631
>November
What have we done to offend Lord nefcy in such a way?

>>94098143
Duh, it was just desperate Starcofags spouting that shit

TomStar and Jarco seem more interesting than Starco to me.

Starco is still going to happen though.

>>94101566
this is a tv show, not a story of their lives

>>94101566
That doesn't mean anything maybe she hates her husband

>marcucks

>>94101972
Maybe the honeymoon phase is over

where does all the starco hate come from?
its always been the most beloved and robust ship
it still has the most fanart, its not like people stopped liking it

>>94099403
But Marco loves jackie and would be happy for Star.

>>94102072
/co/ is contrarian, if something is popular, they will hate it

>>94101974
Marco already has a girlfriend and he's on good terms with Tom now. He should be happy for them

>>94102072
just because it has the most art, doesnt mean its great.
it probably also doesnt help that Starco shippers or shippers in general are braindead fucks with tunnel vision

>>94099232
It's still a flashback, and Moon always wears super-long gloves. She's also had the Eclipsa veins since she was 14 years old.

>>94102136
I mean he was pretty jealous and territorial with Star during the Blood Moon Ball

given that was before he became friends with Tom though

>>94102072
>>94102132
No, starco shippers have been flooding all the star thread for months,

>>94102136
>Marco already has a girlfriend
Until she dumps him for constantly abandoning her in favor of Star.

>>94102182
Star and Tom also look very blatantly younger.

>>94102200
how does that disprove my point?

You just admitted Starco was the most popular ship always posted the most about in threads and this led to people hating it because it was popular, its literal contrarianism

people like this so much, therefore I dislike it now

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>>94102244
>constantly abandoning her
>season finale and a season premier that probably lasted 3 days in canon

>>94102199
Marco was worried about Star because he see her as his little sister and feel protective toward her. It's the old trope of an overprotective big brother or father

>>94102200
Probably because Starco is so obviously going to happen, and upward of 90% of Star vs fans want it to happen.

It's clearly a force dance to appease the kingdoms in attendance. Also I wonder how many peaceful episodes there will be before eclipse gets out.

>>94102284
yes and Star was spying on Marco's date because she was being an overprotective sister

>>94102376
Star was calling Marco cute straight up to his face and didnt care about how long she was hugging him. Unless incest is accepted in Mewni, shes acting like a weird big sister.

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>>94102348
>before eclipse gets out.
You call?

Seriously, the Blood Moon Ball can't be a good thing. Every ancient culture agree

>>94098143
I think I'm just gonna kill myself. Thanks, Nefcy

>>94099614
Because they don't work as lovers and Star's whimsical bullshit gets on Tom's nerves and Tom's control freak uptightness bores Star.

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NOT DEAD
O
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D
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>>94102348
Who cares if it's forced? Star is clearly hungry for Tom there..

>>94101409
Daron is a bitch, confirmed

>>94102722
I love Toffee man

but in order for the plot to move along and eclipsa to be free , he has to die.

There's just no real way around it
I'm sorry

>>94099614
Probably they were forced to that dance and Tom already was angry at her having a crush on Marco so he feels cucked. Star probably was also annoyed to dance with her ex. and they were both annoyed at their parents.

However that dance must have sparked their old fire. I can definetly see them hooking up at least for Season 3. Probably to make Marco doubt over his crush on Jackie.

>>94101409
Nefcy said, she wanted drama. It's very clear the show will end on StarCo. But it need some obstacles to feel more compelled.

>>94102408
Mewni is a third world shithole.

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>>94102795
She can bring him back. She would never let a monster die.

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>>94102722
hes dead.
just hope he gets resurrected as a good guy

>>94101386
>D.E.N.N.I.S. system
lol. Tom is our /guy/

>>94102934
Is there a redemption arc prepared for him?

>>94101056
>So far tom is the only male to inherit a kingdom that we know of
>Marco is known has Princess Marco by all the princesses and is famous
Hmm

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>>94103878
Screwball comedy side plot where "Princess Marco" starts to date the Lucitor heir, Prince Tom, when

>>94100195
each other, not themselves.
themselves would mean they would be fapping, alone, in a corner

>>94098143
>Phone poster

Kill yourself

>>94098143
It very clearly is going by the context and characters shown in the clip, not a social media intern's description.

>>94099403
Very low because Daron isn't a shitty hack of a writer.
The progression of Tom's character is pointing towards him becoming a good friend to both Marco and Star. He might feel conflicted, seeing an opportunity to take advantage of the awkwardness in Star and Marco's relationship for his benefit, but he would ultimately decide to help them out because that was the whole point of his character arc in Season 2.
Tom is also very proud and not an idiot. He knows Star likes Marco and he would be furious if Star tried to use him like that. Not that she would because that would also just shit all over her character for some cheap drama.

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>>94104419
To be more exact, it should be one another

>>94101753
Leak s3 intro

>>94102778
>Star is clearly hungry for Tom there
She obviously enjoyed it but she's just smiling at him.
Compare to when she was dancing with the "masked stranger" at the Blood Moon Ball. Full-faced grin, swooning, bedroom eyes. That's hunger.

>>94098143
>first, Toffee's death and now this

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>>94098143
doomed but still c-cute and perfect!

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Aw did we see Tom's mom?

>>94105906
I fucking hope you're right

>>94105906
>>94106143
anons, even as a hardcore starcofags, just be prepared for the inevitable, they will obviously kiss, if marco did it with jackie, star will do the same.

>>94105906
Aw come on anon she was completely lost in his eyes.
There's gonna be a side plot where she remembers why she was attracted to him, it looks like they might rekindle the relationship that EVERYONE incl both sets of parents are hoping for, and meanwhile Marco's going strong with Jackie.

I've seen this coming since a long time ago. It's good plot twist writing to keep people on their toes.

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STARCO KEKS BTFO

Wich girl is the most fitting for marco character vice

>>94106238
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

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>>94102722
HE LIVE IN YOU

HE LIVES IN ME

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>>94106289
KEEP TRYING FAG

>>94099436
BUT WHO WAS PLANE

>>94106428
JAMES DEEN

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>>94106317
there's a four season anon, think about it, if nefcy manages to break both jarco and tomstar without bullshit, starco will become greatest love story ever told.
while eclipsa slowly awaits her moment

>>94106474
Anon, Tomstar was over before the show even began, remember?

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>>94106474
STAR VS IS SHIT

>>94106474
Seasons 4s are always short. If season 3 manages to be 20+ episodes then season 4 will only have 12 at most. I don't want to see 20 fucking episodes of TomStar and Jarco and only 10 of Starco. THATS my worry

>>94106474
four of them?

>>94098143
It totally is, dude. The scene doesn't make sense otherwise.

I don't know why you're getting your hopes up over a marketing ploy. These kinds of comments are literally designed to goad people and mislead them.

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>>94103721
Nah, but his Son will do alright.

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>>94106605
>Everyone forgot his bastard son with moon

>>94106586
I don't know why I'm worried either, I don't know why I'm so invested in this show when that never happens to me. I usually hate shipping shit but here I am as a Starco shipper. I don't know man

>>94106546
Nah, they said both 3 and 4 would be around 21 episodes each, so we're roughly halfway through the series right now.

1 will probably end up being the only short season, unless they get a renewal for a short season 5 or something. But I really think 4 will be the last.

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>>94106658
>tfw ywn be invested as much in a show like this

>>94106534
Nefcy wants to push starco while slowly injecting briefly starco moment without being one, tom and jackie are perfect for push this shit.

>>94106716
When will the first episode in season 3 accure where janna is in?

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>>94106652
Anon his son wasnt with Moon....
it was with Moons mother

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>>94102934
>>94103721
>murdered a queen
>caused the death of a princess

There's so way you can be redeemed from that. The closest we'll get to Toffee coming back will either be through flashbacks or Eclipsa reviving him as some Lovecraftian creature.

>>94106716
*Nefcy wants to push starco to s4
forget about that, Nefcy said already that putting starco early will kill the interest for the show or something like that.

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>>94098143
>Tom was desperate to take Star to the Bloodmoon Ball
>If this was a flashback, it was likely where they first met and fell for each other
>Whole episode would likely retrace their relationship to make it seem like Tom's not just an angry douchebag ex-boyfriend

Not to mention other shit. Like why was Ponyhead so happy to see her dancing with Tom and why were River and Moon tearing up seeing Star dance with her ex that they likely know had anger issues?

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>>94103721

>>94106775
Anon, if Sasuke can be redeemed and pardon, anyone is fair game.

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>>94106658
You speak from my soul. I never cared for shipping bs yet here I am rooting for starco to happen. What is it about this show that makes a lot of ppl feel this way?

>>94106821
Naruto did it's a reasonable bench mark for good ideas

>>94106821
>Unironically comparing SVTFOE's writing to Naruto
delete your account

>>94106892
4chan does not has accounts
newgay

>>94106821
>if Sasuke can be redeemed and pardon
You realize "Yeah, sorry" is a meme for a reason right? He wasn't redeemed or pardoned at all. He was let off the hook LITERALLY because Kishimoto has a huge boner for the Uchiha and that's the only goddamn reason.

Even Orochimaru got off the hook. Multiple times. In fact, he got a better ending that Sakura. Everything about the justice in Naruto is completely fucked. What makes Sasuke and Orochimaru different from literally any of the other bad guys?

>>94106915
>>94106892
<gay
sorry if i offended you

>>94106915
go back to your red dit

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>>94106821
I choose to believe Nefcy prefers stories like Utena over ones like Naruto. Toffee isn't Saionji, he's Shiori.

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>>94106821
That's not how it works you little shit.

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>>94106892
>>94106957
I used Naruto as an example because if Toffee came back, it would be shit writing onpar with "Yeah, Sorry".
Just be glad you got 2 more villains in this show

>>94107001
>Toffee isn't Saionji, he's Shiori.
Who's Juri then?

>>94107021
>Just be glad you got 2 more villains in this show
Janna and?

>>94098143
Nefcy please make Starco happen in season 3, I know you can make it work!

>>94107064
I'm not drawing parallels between all the characters, just making a comparison to one redeemable and one unredeemable.

Moon.

>>94106658
It happens. I used to think shipping was dumb and then I got hit with just the writing pairing and ended up writing a boatload of fanfiction.

>>94107064
>>>/u/
there

>>94102271
Battle for Mewni canonically lasted over 3 weeks. Try again.

>>94107160
>canonically lasted over 3 weeks
literally not

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>>94098143

>>94106853
Because Star and Marco are likeable and make sense together.

>>94107192
They said during the live-stream that Star was in the sanctuary for two weeks, and at the start it was confirmed that it had been a few days since Star had left Earth when the events began. Three weeks is right.

>>94107192
note: vending machine running out of snacks

ludo travels across the entirety of mewni in a montage, visible sunrise and sunsets

ludo forms a new culture in the mewman kingdom

>>94099403
>This is Star's plan all along.
>Marco wishes her to have a happy, loving relationship, just like his and Jackie's.

theory: eclipsa gets her powers from eating candy.

>>94106133
i guess so
>>94095985

>>94107192
Literally it did.

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>>94107380
Just cuck my shit up senpai

>>94103971
season 4 sneak peek

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>>94102722
nigga he dead

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>>94099403
More like:

>Star has to go to a dance with Tom for royal diplomatic reasons
>Ends up enjoying it and having a romantic moment with him
>Marco had been weighing whether he should leave Jackie for Star but ends up catching Star and Tom making googly eyes at each other
>He has a heart to heart with Star about it and she decides to try patching things up with Tom since he seems to have changed and also so as not to break up Marco and Jackie
>Later she learns Tom still has the same anger issues
>Breaks up with Tom but Marco is still with Jackie
>Tries to pretend she's over Marco to keep the peace
Cucked again.

>>94103878
I want to see Toms reaction to princess Marco

>>94099232
>I thought it was obvious, since Moon's gloves were so high up, enough to cover up her veins.

Moon always wears those kind of gloves.
Star and Tom look visibly younger.
Tom is somehow pissed off about dancing with Star despite desperately wanting her since S1.
Pony Head is there with her dad instead of letting him think she's still locked up in a functional St. O's.

Yeah, "obviously" not a flashback.

>>94102842
>Nefcy said, she wanted drama. It's very clear the show will end on StarCo. But it need some obstacles to feel more compelled.
But if the obstacles are blatantly artificial and involve the characters acting in ways that don't fit their established characterization, that makes it just shit writing.

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>>94107569
>But if the obstacles are blatantly artificial and involve the characters acting in ways that don't fit their established characterization, that makes it just shit writing.
Yes, and? You don't have enough information to assume that is the case. They can pull off a derailing of Starco is a way that is logical and consistent with the character personalities.

>>94107001
When did Utena and Anthy kiss?

>>94107192
retard

Star's pretty purple blood!

Let's look at this objectively, which is the safest option come November and which option would you like to see?

>A: If Marco doesn't return Star's feelings in November and continues to be with Jackie, a lot of people will hate him

>B: If Marco returns Star's feelings and breaks up with Jackie, some people will think Starco was forced

>C: If Marco decides he doesn't want to hurt Star by being with Jackie, breaks up with Jackie, but just remains friends and go on adventures with her, that kind of cools the fanbase a bit

Safe option is C, would love to see B.

>>94099403
>Marco was the cuck all along

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NEFCY SAYS STARCO IS NOT HAPPENING

Around 20 minutes in:

"You can never make everybody happy, there will always be people- but I also think people like to be upset, you know? If you think about what’s the show, what is like- what show would it be if it were just “We’re gonna have Star and Marco get together and they will be like so happy”, the end. There’s no show, what is that show? No one would watch that show. So you have to keep it exciting."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bme4NT7FleE

>>94107703
D I don't give a shit who fights who I want them to fight Eclipsa

>>94107703
>people hating Marco because he won't bang their waifu

loving every laugh

>>94107710
Not a starcofag but thats just implying that if she was going to have Starco in, it would have to have some effort into it

>>94107710
>There’s no show, what is that show? No one would watch that show. So you have to keep it exciting."

Yeah that kind of felt like a dagger to the heart when I first saw that. I guess it's just a reminder for me personally not to get TOO invested into the show and distract myself with other things.

>>94107710
>Jarcuck comprehension

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>>94099403
Zero, Nefcy's fetish is cuckqueaning, not cuckolding.
>>94107485
is more likely.

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>>94107569
>WAAAHHH SEASONS 3 AND 4 SHOULD JUST BE MARCO AND STAR KISSING AND HAVING BABIES AND BEING HAPPY WITH NO TENSION
It's necessary to introduce obstacles even if they seem artificial. But I also agree, what they need to do is just cut the "will they or won't they" act because it's obvious as fuck they love each other and skip to them dating. There's plenty of room to introduce drama into an ongoing relationship, it's not all about whether or not they'll start dating and I hate it when that shit gets dragged out too long.

For example, have them date then have there be a Hekapoo episode where she suddenly drags Marco off to help her with something and Star gets jealous. Boom, innocent and fun tension. You could do the same with Janna by making her the new Jackie who suddenly tries to lure Marco away from Star, and same with the Tom subplot. The Jim and Pam shit is getting old.

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>>94098143
>Tom sees his dad find true love with his mother in spite of how he's a screeching autist
>tries to do the same with Star
>it repulses her

King Lucitor is a bad, bad man.

>>94107710
That Star cosplayer is pretty cute

>>94099403
>Star and Tom rekindle that old fire
>Marco gets jelly and goes back to Earth for a bit to hang out with his girlfriend to remind himself that he likes someone else
>It's just not the same and Jackie can tell
>dumps him because she can see the way the wind blows
>Marco goes back to Mewni to talk to Star
>finds her and Tom tonguing each other
Now it's Marco's turn to be cucked

>>94107771
THIS SO MUCH

Most of us want this "will they/won't they" to end so we can start watching comfy adventure episodes again. Why is that so hard for these rowdy anti-Starco people to understand?

>>94107710
Old news.

>>94106853
The show is designed to make you feel that way.

If you like the show, you kind of have to like Starco at the very least, because it's literally what the show is about. The show is about Star and Marco's relationship growing and moving forward. It's like the #1 theme of the show and you're beaten over the head with it constantly.

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>>94107815
>>94107771

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>>94098143
For anyone who genuinely believes this isn't a flashback:
>Why does Star look younger?
>Why is Tom upset at the idea of dancing with Star? Especially if it's "the dance he's been waiting for since Blood Moon Ball"?
>From a narrative standpoint, doesn't it make more sense that Tom was trying to recreate this moment in "Blood Moon Ball"?
>This dance is clearly some Mewni-wide meetup among royalty to pair heirs: Why would the Butterflys attend in the present? Between cleaning up after Toffee, dealing with newly-freed Eclipsa, and Star's continuing magic training, don't they have more important things to worry about? Why now push Star into trying to find a husband when she's busy defending her kingdom?
>If this is after Tom and Star had already dated once, why are River and Tom's parents surprised and even moved to tears to see them dancing together?
>Why would Moon and River try to pair up Star with Tom again against her will, knowing that their relationship already failed once, and that Star likes Marco now, whom they've repeatedly expressed approval of and even personally befriended?

>>94107756
Okay if you want to be more technically accurate, she says HAPPY Starco is not happening. If Marco and Star do become a couple prior to the series finale, there will be drama, angst, fighting, romantic competition, misunderstandings, breakups, etc., to "keep it exciting". So Starcucks should hope and pray that Starco doesn't happen until the series finale, because otherwise it will be tarnished by drama.

Star is a slut

>>94107823
If anything lately the show's felt more about Star's individual development.

Her relationship with Marco is important inasmuch as it plays into that but no longer has as much focus as it did in like the first season.

>>94107823
I don't give a SHIT if they fuck. I've started to skip shipping episodes, I just want to see Eclipsa and Ludo. Am I completely alone?

>>94107657
Adolescence of Utena. It was the OVA.

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>>94107864
Being a slut for one person is called being a wife anon

>>94107823
>>94107865
No wait I phrased that weirdly.

What I mean is the show is no longer focused ONLY on Marco and Star and in fact plenty of recent episodes have them separated for a prolonged time for some reason or another, as opposed to the first season where they pretty much shared screentime in the majority of the episodes.

>>94107896
Oh, thanks. I guess I just forgot about it.

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>>94107890
>skipping episodes just to see a character
end your life on the spot

>>94107815
Battle for Mewni didn't make shipping anything the focus because there was bigger shit going down, and yet cucks whined anyway about Star's crush not being addressed, because of course the fucking cartoon fanbase is made up of autists.

>>94107857
you're interpreting that scene in a vaccum. you don't know the context of the scene, you didn't watch the episode yet.

>>94107858
I think that when Nefcy was talking about 'keeping it exciting' is that there wouldn't be a show if it was just two happy teenagers kissing. That's where Ludo, Toffee, Eclipse, and every other threat or force of evil comes in. The romance is just the side-plot to the overarching narrative.

>>94107890
you are rotted

>>94107953
Depending on the show, that's okay. But most of those shows are hundreds of episodes long.

>>94108000
its only okay if its anime filler shit that really filler and not "I-its a bad episode!!"

>>94107858
>she says HAPPY Starco is not happening
you managed to be more technically retarded

>>94107953
Only the ones where all they do is go to a concert or whatever and Star cries.

>>94107160
This makes me wonder, Season 1 and 2 happened over the span of about a year.
If just the premiere of Season 3 already blew through almost a monthwhat's going to happen when their summer vacation is over?
Star can't leave Mewni with shit hitting the fan, how can they justify Marco staying on Mewni?

>>94108085
So im guessing to skipped Just Friends because it didnt have enough action, huh?
fucking pathetic, if your gonna justify skipping atleast have it be a Ponyhead episode

>>94106821
>>94106957

Sasuke legitimately did nothing wrong though.
>Killed nobody besides Danzo and Itachi who was seen as a missing ninja
>Danzo was planning to overthrow the Hokage for power
>In the manga he didn't even kill fodder when orochimaru told him too, saying he's not that kind of person
Sure, in the end he went full edge lord, but technically his kill record isn't long at all.

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>>94107857
>For anyone who genuinely believes this isn't a flashback:
It objectively isn't, Disney confirmed.
>Why does Star look younger?
She doesn't. Describe what physical features of hers look younger in the clip. Maye post a side-by-side comparison of her with modern Star. She looks the same, just dressed and styled differently.
>Why is Tom upset at the idea of dancing with Star? Especially if it's "the dance he's been waiting for since Blood Moon Ball"?
We do not know, because this is only a short clip, which lacks context. Presumably, Star and Tom had a fight prior to the dance. Perhaps Star was forced by her parents to be there for reasons of diplomacy between royalty and told Tom that, and he's angry that she still isn't over Marco.
>From a narrative standpoint, doesn't it make more sense that Tom was trying to recreate this moment in "Blood Moon Ball"?
No.
>This dance is clearly some Mewni-wide meetup among royalty to pair heirs: Why would the Butterflys attend in the present? Between cleaning up after Toffee, dealing with newly-freed Eclipsa, and Star's continuing magic training, don't they have more important things to worry about? Why now push Star into trying to find a husband when she's busy defending her kingdom?
Actually it's not clear that they're trying to push her into marriage. Probably the possibility that different royals will strike a love connection is one of the hoped for side effects of the dance, but it goes too far to say they are pushing Star into marriage. Maybe this is just a function she's expected to attend as an unmarried Mewni royal..

>>94108025
I don't recommend anyone watch early MST3K unless you're a serious fan. I normally tell people to start at season 3.

Why do sjw's try to push the gay agenda in this show so hard?
And what can /co/ do to end this?

>>94108113
That's not a reasonable response to my post. I'm just not interested in that plotline

>>94108163
>Why do sjw's try to push the gay agenda in this show so hard?
Only "gay" moment in this show is the background character couple in "Just Friends". Did you meant to post in the Steven Universe thread?

>>94108163
I don't know about any gay agenda in this show. SU general should be somewhere on this board.

We're mostly worried if Star and Marco are getting together in this season or not.

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>>94108163

>>94102795
Then it's shitty writing to not directly connect him to Eclipsa. Killing off an antagonist deliberately designed to be threatening just so you can lazily prop up the tension for a new villain doesn't work, especially when that antagonist doesn't do anything of actual importance during their introduction.

>>94108194
Steven Universe is anyway better then star vs

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>>94108135
>If this is after Tom and Star had already dated once, why are River and Tom's parents surprised and even moved to tears to see them dancing together?
Maybe they just got caught up in the magic of the moment.
>Why would Moon and River try to pair up Star with Tom again against her will, knowing that their relationship already failed once, and that Star likes Marco now, whom they've repeatedly expressed approval of and even personally befriended?
Again you're assuming way too much. If it were true that they were trying to push Star into marrying Tom there could be a reason for it in the episode that we don't know about (tensions between the demon and Mewman kingdoms), but again we don't know that they are pushing her into marriage at all. I doubt they are.

>>94108182
So you were interested in everything else besides them going to a concert and anything where Star cries? even the ones where Tom was faking being friends with Marco?

>>94108231
Hot opinion, anon. Go there, then.

>>94108218
Man, calling everything "shitty writing" is turning into a meme, isn't it?

>>94108194
I don't know. Marco and toms duet was pretty gay.
>At one point Tomco had more Fanfics than Starco and Jarco because of this
I'm glad the finale fixed this by giving Starco fags motivation to write more shit.

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>>94108231

>>94108163
I think the Steven Universe thread is a couple of threads down, anon.

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>>94108255
>Marco and toms duet was pretty gay.
That's the point, it's tongue-in-check fujo shit. It's a joke.

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>>94108163
>And what can /co/ do to end this?
Push the cuckquean agenda much harder. At least that actually has a strong basis in the show.

>>94108231
meh

>>94108218
>MUH LIZARD HUSBANDO IS DEAD THEREFORE SHITTY WRITING
>everything must be connected because I can't comprehend separate storylines
Glad Toffeecucks got BTFO hard.

>>94108260
>>94108247
>>94108293
Name one thing where star vs is better
>shit writing
>shit character design i mean a skull with swords for horns srsly?
>stupid VA's always screaming haha so funny NOT
>only shipping as a driving factor

>>94108218
He's coming back, there's a reason he's named after a candy and called himself Toffee right after Eclipsa, who is obsessed with candy was awakened . And there's a reason they made a point of showing that Toffee's eye is still around, which can regenerate. But I'm glad Tumblr Moonfee shippers think he's dead so we can enjoy their salt.

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What do you think? Are they friends?

Don't reply you fucking retards.

>>94108374
they actually hate each other

>>94108374
They look like a couple, a couple of best friends.

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>>94108371
i know you spent alot of brainpower on this post, but please.
This is a 18+ board.

>>94108310
Honestly. as much as I liked Toffee as a villain and character, all the Toffeefags were kinda grating. I'm not sure how many more posts of 'Yes Toffee daddy, pls fuck me in my boipussy' I could take. But now we're gonna have to deal with mommyfags Eclipsaposting. Why do all you fuck ups have daddy/mommy issues?

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>>94108371

>>94108135
It is a flashback. Disney's post was probably inaccurate, it's not run by the staff of the show anyway.

>>94108443
not an argument

>>94108371
>>94108213

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>>94108463
one more? you sure are hungry!

>>94108254
How is it not bad writing? When you take pains to make certain that a villain is the complete and total opposite of a pushover, build them up slowly as an extreme threat and then bring it all to a head, you need to finish it right then and there. Toffee not being in direct contact or association to Eclipsa when the narrative is attempting to frame her as the endgame antagonist means that all of this supposed rising action falls flat. Instead of entering as the true mastermind, she's a completely separate character that can't be linked, and by trying to rely on Toffee to carry that tension over instead of giving her enough screen time to properly establish herself, she becomes an empty threat bereft of any reason to care. If she had been the one to kill Toffee, or if Toffee's true goal was to weaken the royal family so that they could not stop his master once she was free, or if she came about separate from Toffer entirely, it could work. Nefcy's biggest mistake was trying to chase two rabbits, and she failed to catch both.

>>94108310
No, I'm BTFO because I was massively excited for Eclipsa and got a shitty candy bar gag instead of an actual villain.

>>94108371
i know this is bait but i actually has to agree with some points.
Let's be real here they solved their main plot in 5 minutes while the shipping is no where near solved
also some VA's are annoying I hate Starfan13's voice

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>>94108135
>>94108241
>Disney confirmed
Yes taking everything that Disney XD's promotional team says at face value has always been accurate and they have never once misled or blatantly lied to us to create hype and fandom drama.
And the description of an Instagram video must have been written by Nefcy herself and is canon gospel on par with the very words said in the show.

>he's angry that she still isn't over Marco
That doesn't make sense with Tom's established characterization and how he's dealt with their relationship in the past.
If your argument hinges on "maybe they'll radically change characters in a very short period of time so it'll make sense for them to act this way" it's a pretty weak argument.

>Actually it's not clear that they're trying to push her into marriage.
When you have a ball with all the unmarried teenage heirs of Mewni attending with their parents to be paired off in one-on-one romantic dances, the intent is marital diplomacy.
Star already mentioned in the guidebook that she felt pressured into a relationship with Tom because they're both royalty and their families are on good terms. This is medieval diplomacy 101.
And you completely sidestepped the question of "why would they do this now when they should have more important things to worry about?"

>we don't know that they are pushing her into marriage at all
When royal families get together and pair off their heirs, they're not planning a picnic.
I'm not suggesting they wanted her to get hitched right there and then, but it's never too early to start building relationships. And it makes more sense in the context of it being a flashback to when they first met, when Star was a royal brat and Tom could have helped set her straight. Everyone knows Star will be Queen one day and must produce an heir sooner or later.
It makes less sense in the context of the present, where Star clearly hasn't been pressured by her parents, and they had even assumed she was with Marco.

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>>94108371
>shit character design
Like this one?

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>>94108371
>Name one thing where star vs is better
Husbandos

>>94108449
>all the Toffeefags were kinda grating. I'm not sure how many more posts of 'Yes Toffee daddy, pls fuck me in my boipussy' I could take

i feel attacked :(

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>>94108511

>>94108550
>cant read
DELET

>>94108550
Actually thats pretty brave and not something we see everyday on television.
Do you want another calarts clone?

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>>94108163
>Star Vs is pushing the gay agenda
>by featuring the most pure and wholesome heterosexual pair to ever to grace television
???

>>94108572
>steven universe
>not calarts
Pick one

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>>94108449
>tfw I missed prime Toffeeposting

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>>94108371
>Name one thing where star vs is better
I actually can't think of anything

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>>94108617
at least you have great taste in anime men

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>>94108617
>>94108649
/a/ please leave

>>94108644
Keeping their audience enganged. being able to say Kill on TV, not having everyone in the main cast be an unlikeable fuck, on model designs.
:^)

>>94108371
pretty much everything especially character designs

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>>94108371
You seem to have mistaken me for someone who cares about your opinion.

>>94108672
Sorry sorry, I'll stop

Sooo Tom's parents seem to be a human-huge ass demoness mix instead of a demon-demon mix, and Eclipsa also ended up in a human- huge ass demon-looking monster marriage in the end.

Also let's not forget the human- huge ass sea monstress match in the movie in By the book or whatever episode.

Is Nefcy trying to tell us something?

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>>94108371

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>>94108551
>>94108560
>>94108617
When will you Toffeefags fucking learn who best husbando is?

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>>94108672
Sorry I have little /co/ reaction pics

>>94108722
The difference is demons and mewmans fucking is probably more acceptable than relationships with monsters. Otherwise Star's parents wouldn't have let her date Tom.

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>>94108511
>they solved their main plot in 5 minutes
What did he mean by this?

>>94108825
Yeah it's pretty obvious, Tom and her demon mom are considered a-ok for a royal match whereas monsters are little more than animals, apparently.

But still, all these cross-species couples with a huge size difference with the other party communicating through grunts or shit? It's gotta be a fetish or something. One is fine, but three starts to be a bit, you know

>>94107620
>They can pull off a derailing of Starco is a way that is logical and consistent with the character personalities.
No, they really can't.

>>94108852
That Toffee who seeked revenge for 2 seasons with a lot of background knowledge that has been past on to the audience gets killed in 5 minutes?

>>94108218
>>94108492
It's possible he could still end up connected to Eclipsa in some way. Nothing we saw yet actively contradicted that (as opposed to a theory like him ever having had a positive relationship with Moon), we even got confirmation the tapestries are exaggerated so there could be more going on with Eclipsa's story than "she just fucked this one monster guy." The fact that he looks exactly the same in the present and past despite it being ~30+ years apart could support lizards being long-lived in addition to being indestructible.

That said I'm really not expecting that to happen, and even if it did there's no doubt he's still absolutely 100% for-real dead. I really have no clue where this plot's going anymore.

So /co/ you have to come up with an important topic to discuss the show or all Star vs Threads will be deleted till the next episode.
What would it be?

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>>94108927
hekapoo

>>94108927
Which is the best ship.

I'm interested in that new chameleon character

>>94108901
Toffee completed his goal of obtaining his finger and draining magic from the universe. This took him the entire special and the magic from the universe is still all gone besides Stars.

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>>94108927
Was it a flashback will keep retards guessing for a while. Also, Jackie wasn't even mentioned in the movie so there's inevitably going to be an episode addressing what Marco, Jackie, and Star's relationship is now that the story-important stuff is over for now.

>>94108927
When is next episode anyways?

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>>94108955
Hecka who????

>>94108927
TOM
and his parents
and how the fuck did they meet
and what does this dance sequence mean for the plot

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>>94108955
I support this

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>>94108546
>Yes taking everything that Disney XD's promotional team says at face value has always been accurate and they have never once misled or blatantly lied to us to create hype and fandom drama.
I think it's more likely that Disney posted that for the specific reason that Starcucks were in every comment on the Youtube video of the scene saying "DON'T WORRY GUYS, IT'S JUST A FLASHBACK" on the basis of nothing. Those posts were undercutting the dramatic nature of the TomStar revelation they were trying to make, so Disney chimed in to clarify that, no, it is not a flashback. If the whole thing was a flashback consider how cheap and deceptive that would come off when people actually saw the show. People would stop taking any previews Disney posted seriously.

>Star already mentioned in the guidebook that she felt pressured into a relationship with Tom because they're both royalty and their families are on good terms. This is medieval diplomacy 101.
I think Moon and Toffee would be happy to solidify their alliance with the demon nation through Star's marriage, but they also clearly like Marco and seem to have accepted that Star isn't into Tom any more. Again I think they asked Star to attend the ball for diplomatic reasons. Maybe the demons persuaded them to have her come just out of hope that she would fall for Tom again. And maybe Moon and River don't expect Star to fall for Tom but just encouraged her to come just to keep the demons happy.

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>>94108767
You can keep your underage boipussy anon.

>>94108986
November. And we're already out of things to talk about.

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>>94108692
>Keeping their audience enganged
It wasn't engaging at all until it was well into season 2
>being able to say Kill on TV
Okay...? Despite that SU has more adult themes
>not having everyone in the main cast be an unlikeable fuck
Subjective af. Star vs characters don't really invoke sympathy
>on model designs
True. Steven Universe didn't have this problem for the first two seasons, though.

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>>94109034
>And you completely sidestepped the question of "why would they do this now when they should have more important things to worry about?"
Not intentionally, I was already over the character limit and had to split my response into two posts, and I'm having to do the same with this post. This is easy to answer, a) we don't know how many episodes into season 3 it is. For all you know it could take place a relatively long time after the movie. Even if it is in the very next episode, there could be a timeskip. Also Mewni has magic so they could conceivably use that to fix things up faster.

>>94108852
I'll never understand the complaint that Star Vs. killed Toffee too soon. It's about time we had a change of pace, if you ask me.

He's been the villain for two seasons and 4 episodes. He's not the finale, he's just a conniving bastard.

Honestly, i'm just excited that this means they have to up the stakes even further with Eclipsa (if they want to make someone who's more threatening and interesting than Toffee)

>>94108135

i know you just want to piss off some starco shippers but

>For anyone who genuinely believes this isn't a flashback:
It objectively isn't, Disney confirmed.

dude, everyone should know is not confirmed until we see the damn thing happening...and that's until november

>>94109044
>Okay...? Despite that SU has more adult themes
this.
it bothers me that star vs isn't a little bit more like SU or Loud House in this area

>>94108901
He wasn't killed in 5 minutes. Star was trying to kill him the whole movie; he's just not the type to fight directly if he doesn't have to.

Toffee is a leader and a manipulator. The only way to beat him is to catch him off guard in his single weakness (his pride).

>>94109044
>SU has more adult themes
oh yeah, like why wont my Mom let me kill alien rocks and understand im not a baby indian i can shit on my own now. oh and cant forget that a superpowered fatass rock feeling inadequate while constantly comparing herself to a bigger rock made with different births

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>>94109044
>invoke sympathy
What does this even mean?

>>94108973
>and the magic from the universe is still all gone besides Stars.
not true we saw it returning in these revive fountain

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>>94108901
>A plotline is "solved" in the length of the scene where it's resolved, no matter how long the buildup to that scene has been coming
okay

>>94098143
>TomStar is real
IM LITERALLY SHAKING

>>94109111
>catch him off guard in his single weakness (his pride).
wich she didn't
she just blasted out of the broken wand and shot a beam at him.
even if he preparing time he couldn't withstand this

>>94108852
Can someone pixelate that Big Brown Cutlery that's poking Star in the face so it looks more... ambiguous?

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>>94109039
>november
Fucking kill me now,

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>>94108133
THIS

A better and more relevant example for /co/ would be Magneto. He killed more than Hitler but because girls and Xavier like him, he can get away with everything.

>>94109102
I've watched Star vs., and enjoyed it a bit, but it seems like it's largely a children's show in a way that some of these other cartoons aren't. It's not really marketing itself that hard to 20somethings on Tumbr. And I think that's fine, because in some ways, it's a better children's show than SU is as a show for young adults and teens.

>>94109126
that happened because Star is slowly but surely reawakening the magic in the universe when she came back to reality.
Shes also making her own spellbook, forshadowed In Baby's episode and confirmed on one of the storyboarders twitters

>>94109128
>A plotline is "solved" in the length of the scene where it's resolved, no matter how long the buildup to that scene has been coming
thats stupid
thats like sying Luke fought stormtroopers to get the ultimate evil
and in the end he just throws his lightsaber at him and kills him within seconds.
Hell Ludo without the help of toffee was more of a threat in fights than toffee

>>94109114
Not gonna try to decipher this heap of shit

>>94109125
>What does this even mean?
Means I can't feel for the characters when their troubles are either self-inflicted or trivial

>>94109141
Of joy or anger?

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>>94109044
>SU has more adult themes
Name a single moment in SU more emotionally mature and heavy than Star killing herself while her mother tearfully pleads for her to flee, and her mother's utter despair as she tries to put the wand back together piece by piece in a desperate hope that it will bring her daughter back.

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>>94108374

dude, it's like you need to be in the situation ..i had my best friend and i also had my "bestie" ...and my "bestie" and i, kissed and fucked like no tomorrow and we both denied the whole thing when someone suggest that we would make a cute couple.

>>94109154
His pride was believing he'd killed all magic and thus screwing Star and Moon over just because he could, when instead he got killed by all magic.

If he hadn't left Star in the dead magic and took her out like he'd said he would, he would have succeeded completely.

>>94109247
>Not gonna try
you can ignore it all you want anon. the fact is SU has been dissapointing every since Peridot invaded with her Giant man hand and hasnt had a single good episode since

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How long until this lovely creature is back on the show to gauge some power levels? She can notice Moon's magic ability being a bit corrupted or something.

>>94107710
This must be what Zutarans feel like.

It hurts.

>>94108135
>She doesn't. Describe what physical features of hers look younger in the clip. Maye post a side-by-side comparison of her with modern Star. She looks the same, just dressed and styled differently.
Smaller feet, bigger heads relative to their bodies, not as much height difference between Tom and Star. They blatantly are made to look younger.

>We do not know, because this is only a short clip, which lacks context. Presumably, Star and Tom had a fight prior to the dance. Perhaps Star was forced by her parents to be there for reasons of diplomacy between royalty and told Tom that, and he's angry that she still isn't over Marco.
That makes zero sense, Tom would still be 100% ecstatic about the chance to dance with Star no matter the circumstances.

>>94109290
we need more mime in the coming season

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>>94108617


we can always have a superior posting, anon

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>>94109181
For me Star vs is clearly a weeaboo show. I mean a show made by a weeaboo and only accesible to other weeaboos. Anime esthetic and themes are very childish because otakus are emotionally stunted and Japan idealize youth. Pic related became a mega hit and even aired on Disney Channel Japan despite it was made for adult men.

>>94106957
I get Sasuke, He was the protector of Konoha who lost his way over his loss. But forgiving Orochimaru was total bullshit. WTF he killed or tortured like millions of kids,men and women.

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>>94109181
>Star vs is a children's show because it doesn't explicitly go out of its way to pander to manchildren and tumbrlites
Imagine unironically having this mindset

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>>94109349
tru

>>94109359
yeah but K-on is complete garbage in every way.

>>94108617
I miss loreposting in it's prime

>>94109324
What's it like to have the reading comprehension of a pre-kindergartner?

>>94109044
>Okay...? Despite that SU has more adult themes
>>94109102
>it bothers me that star vs isn't a little bit more like SU or Loud House in this area

No idea what you guys are talking about. What are the deep themes in SU which are lacking in SVTFOE? There is a lot of intense, emotional and clever stuff in SVTFOE. I only watched the first season of SU but I didn't see anything in it that was above SVTFOE.

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>>94109349
I save that for another board

>>94107710
That doesn't mean no Starco, you dim bulb. If anything, that's a strong implication that Starco is endgame, and something they're staving off with intermediate love interests like Tom and Jackie.

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Shippers are cancer and rruin everythig but Starco is the only non degenerate ship

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>>94109414
>Starco is the only non degenerate ship
Wrong

>>94109414
>love between 2 aliens is non degenerate

>>94107569
You don't expect shit wriitng????
They literally just killed the main villain in a most un-epic way possible and without ever developing his motivation..

>>94109394
She restarts her thought twice, its kind of confusing.

>>94109044
SU and adult don't mix man, I'd take blasting a lizard till it melts or Ludo in the wild over another musical number where rocks cry, heck they don't need the music to cry but the music helps in making it "deep".

SU isn't sympathetic at all, it's characters are way too outlandish or flanderized to invoke any emotion on me to be honest.

>>94107710
Thats not what she meant you retard. She's saying that she want to make this interesting by messing shit up before shipping them. Thats all

>>94107890
Wow.
>skipping episodes you dont think you'll like
>only watches for 2 particular characters
You must be a real caricature of a hunan being. Usually on the internet when someone asks "is it just me or" and "am I the only one who..." the answer is usually No, but in this case Yes, you are completely alone.

>>94109247
>he can't empathize with a character who's own actions end up fucking them over
I guess all the terrible shit that's happened to you has always been someone else fault, right?

>>94109444
>without ever developing his motivation..
Some people are just cunts. The kind of cunts who assassinate a Queen right as a peace treaty is about to be signed. Toffee had no motivation other than "Remove Butterfly", and that's okay.

Sorry your husbando got blasto'd by a demon princess.

>>94109414
>having Marco live in a third world country

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>>94101056
>>94101386
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>>94107438
Patrician ship fampais
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>>94109444
Because the villain having to explain their plan to the heroes before they die is boring and overdone.

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>>94109444
It boggles my mind how people seriously can't wrap their head around what happened in the movie.
Like have you people been paying attention at all?
Are you the same retards who skipped half the show because "you just wanted Toffee" and are now buttmad because you don't understand what's going on, and blame the show because you chose not to watch it as intended?

>>94106133
ugly as fuck, just like that abomination of kid.

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>>94109086
>dude, everyone should know is not confirmed until we see the damn thing happening...and that's until november

>The channel releasing it goes out of their way to explicitly state that it takes place after Blood Moon Ball
>WE CAN'T KNOW! IT'S INCONCLUSIVE! WHO CAN POSSIBLY SAY?
You havin a giggle m8? Starcucks are this desperate to believe their ship is canon that they make up baseless fake theories and even believe them when Disney explicitly debunks them.

>>94109044
>more adult themes
>I only watch MATURE children's cartoons for MATURE ADULTS like ME
Just because something has what you perceive to be 'adult themes' doesn't make it a good show.

>>94109587
>ugly
Delete your life

>>94109505
I emphatize more with the monsters than the mewnis. They took their land and they're slowly killing them by starvation but might make right, or in this case the Butterfly's godtier powers. Fuck, it's like the old conquistadores tales of the virgin Mary of the apostle Santiago descending from the sky to kill indians, except it's true, there are metaphysical forces supporting the colonialism.

>>94109444
>muh motivation
>Toffee's motivation is shown and peppered throughout the three seasons and is shown blatantly why in Moon in the Undaunted
I guess Star vs. really is too smart for people because cucks like you need to be told and handfed what it was.

>muh un-epic
What? Getting shot by the MC's godform and actually surviving and then in an ironic twist of fate, the person he has been shitting and using all this time finishes him off is too "un-epic" for you? Toffeecucks, I swear.

>>94109583
Agreed, although for me every episode pretty much has lore to follow in it to. So keeps me interested. It has all connected to this moment.

Then again it might be due to me following Dies Irae

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>>94109410
>That doesn't mean no Starco, you dim bulb. If anything, that's a strong implication that Starco is endgame, and something they're staving off with intermediate love interests like Tom and Jackie.
That was what I meant ya dingus. Few people actually believe by the very last episode Starco won't happen. But we have at least 2 years of Star getting cucked to look forward to before then.

>Toffeefags confirmed to be the dumbest fans in the series
Somehow, I'm not at all surprised.

Name ONE sentence that the writers would say on twitter that would make you drop the show. I'll start,

>TomStar and Jarco are endgame

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>>94109556
I don't know what the fuck people want from this show.

>"Toffee is such a good and intelligent villain."
>"wtf why didn't Toffee spend half the episode monologuing"

>"Why was Toffee buttmad at the Butterflys?"
>"what is Mewnipendence Day?"

>"Why did Glossarcyk help Star, he said he didn't have a side"

>"Starco shouldn't happen, it's cliché, also I don't know what cliché means"
>"It's not at all cliché for the main character to learn a lesson about not getting what she wants in a coming-of-age story"

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>>94109414
Who let Sky out from under the rug again!?

Hekapoo isn't Tom's mom? Welp, there goes all those greentext stories of Marco romancing Hekapoo much to Tom's horror.

>>94107569
>But if the obstacles are blatantly artificial and involve the characters acting in ways that don't fit their established characterization, that makes it just shit writing.
Who's acting out of character here?

>>94109707
Because you're an autist, anon, that want attention for your little headcanon.

>>94109702
The clear worst possible romantic resolution is a harem centered around Janna.

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>>94109661
>tfw you thought you were a Toffeefag but it turned out even more than that you're a Starfag

Star killed him exactly as I'd hoped she someday would.

>>94109702
Star will go back in time to the first episode to stop herself from meeting marco because he has a girlfriend thus retconning the entire show and star is now a lesbian

>>94109707
Why does someone keep editing out just one eye from pictures?

>>94109471
I didn't say Starco would never happen, just that it's not happening, present tense.
>She's saying that she want to make this interesting by messing shit up before shipping them
Thanks for agreeing with me. That's my point, people were expecting Starco to happen as soon as season 3 returns, but shit will get messed up instead.

It's much more effective for the story for this to be a flashback as it details a period in time that was previously only used for gags

(also it's obviously a flashback)

Well at least we know Tom's last name now
>Lucitor

What nonsense theory can we wring out of this?

>>94109702
>Marco has a crush on Tom

That would be the final straw for me.

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>>94109707
SKY IS A LIE! A LIE!

>>94106821
I don't think Nefcy is as big as a hack as Kishimoto.

>>94109444
That's just it. Toffee wasn't actually the main villain of the series. Eclipsa is.

And Toffee's motivation seems obvious: destroy the Mewmans' ability to use magic, since that was their sole advantage allowing them to defeat the monsters.

>>94109799
We knew it was Lucitor for a long time

>>94107890
What kind of a person finds human relationships inherently uninteresting, and is only interested in watching people hit each other and explode? An inhuman android-like autist.