Why does /co/ still give money to Marvel?

Deadpool
Gwenpool
Venom
Daredevil
Take your pick.

Diversity isn't killing comics.
Terrible writing and decision making is killing comics.

>lipstick on a pig

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...but I guess a fat tranny knows it better.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/266307/marvel-vp-admits-political-correctness-killed-daniel-greenfield

Who is this person and why should care?

>>94038453
i honestly feel bad for people who look like that. then again she sort of made it worse with the whole being fat and having an awful haircut/fashion sense

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>>94038453
Why does she look like Bozo?

Why the fuck does every black chick have to have a puffy ass fro? It's always fucking white people making these characters as well.

>>94038508
Ok give me something good to pick from.

>>94038510
Replacing established characters with brown and female knockoffs certainly isn't helping.

Who is she exactly?

>>94038453
>Being condescending and passive-aggressive to your customers
Why do they think this is a good idea?

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>>94038660

Marvel is such shit these days, most of us won't even bother the read the story times. Forget paying $3.99 for an 18-20 page comic. We won't read this shit for free.

That's how low Marvel has fallen.

>>94038703
Some comic "journalist".

>>94038711
Because they think it makes them look cool to their prospective customers.
They're trying to court people who get off on being smug progressive assholes.

>>94038660
because most blacks have hair that grow out like that and perms/weaves are for self hating coons

>>94038453
Great PR marvel. These people shielding under an excuse and insulting the customer?

A+ work.

I don't care about diversity but shit like bad writing and general laziness is off putting.

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>>94038721
Superior black /v/ waifu coming through.

>>94038711
Because nobody learned their lesson from the Ghostbusters reboot's marketing.

>>94038453
Why this nigga wearing makeup? Don't got no shit like this to deal with in Chicago.

>>94038755
>What are hair braids?


Stop being retarded at any time, anon.

>>94038755
Exactly man

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>>94038660
Nowadays, most black women I see have their hair in dreadlocks like in pic related.

>>94038453
So this what The Carol, Gwen and kamala shill posters look like

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>>94038453
I thought Josh Ryan Evans died years ago?

>>94038453
because we're not /pol/

>>94038776
As soon as I heard about her my dick got so hard

>>94038453
>AJ+
I will not be lecture by a company created by a goverment that still supports slavery

>>94038776
>MArina
>Black

>>94038721
Maybe it's easier to animate in a game. That's why so many male characters are bald or have extremely short hair.

>>94038857
Pearl is yolandi vizzer ...well the good parts

>>94038453

>But no

I assume she supported this with evidence, right?

>>94038721
>>94038894
3/4 girls take place in the same era/timeline.

It's like asking why late 1800 are all cowboys or someshit

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>>94038776
>black

She's not even human bro. Pic related is an actual black Nintendo waifu.

>>94038789
one other hairstyle, wow dude.
honestly i feel bad for the darkies cause they can barely do anything with their gross hair, kinda Sad

Wow Hillary Clinton has really let herself go since the election.

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>>94038962
>There's only one kind of hairstyle when braiding hair

I asked you to stop being retarded, not to dig your hole even deeper.

>>94038814
because you hate your hair's natural tendency to become an afro puffy cloud as its normal resting state, and taming it into braids/weaves is how you broadcast that you care about your looks to other women and groom for a potential mate.

t. Detroiter

>>94038962
"Braids" isn't a hairstyle, it's a technique, I grew up with a sister who had like 10 braid styles she put into rotation

>>94038510

How do you think they picked those writers in the first place anon.

They these writers because they fulfill the diversity quota.

>>94038991
Like responding isn't being retarded.

>>94038453
>/co/
>actually buying comics
Pick one

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>>94038453
What is that thing?

>>94038453
being a patronizing douche is sure to convince people you're correct.

>>94038991
it all looks like one big tangled mess of steel wool anyways lol

Falling for consumerism is like the least "woke" thing you can do so I don't know why white twitter bitches keep falling for it.

>>94038453

So is that person going to expand why the fanboys are wrong or is she saying they're wrong because she said so?

>>94038453
Sure shown me.

>>94038453
>using fanboys as an insult
So they are admiting they aren't fan?

>>94038453
Because 90% of them are Gwenfags

>>94039029
Okay, I can see that you're getting upset because you're wrong, so now so I'm just going to leave you alone. Have a nice day, anon.

>>94038453
Who is it?

>>94039066
she saying they're wrong because she said so

>>94039103
Does it even matter?

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>>94038453
Looks like a tranny

>>94038453
That is a very unfortunate still of an already ugly person.

>>94038453
Bitch has a serious case of blowjob face in that second pic. Also calling your detractors "fanboys" is retarded because it implies they care more about the quality of your work than you or the fanbase you want for some reason do.

>>94039117
Probably not, but I am just curious. I want to understand a bit more context.

>>94038453
I'm disapointed, I thought Riri hair in the second pannel were her hair and she had one of the weirdest haircut ever.

>>94038843
What does /pol/ have to do with hating terrible decision making in comics?

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>>94038843
No,you're worse.

>>94038581
It really baffles me that some people, be them marvelshills or the sjw crowd, are still in denial about Marvel's current state. Nevermind the retailers complaining, you have Marvel's fucking vp of sales saying the sales are in the gutter and they're still arguing whether there's an issue, as if there's any fucking doubt at this point.

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>>94038453
>Replace already existing, established characters with "diverse" versions for no real reason and give shitty reasoning for it in the story
>shitlords!!!!!!!

I mean, I don't mind if there's a more diverse cast, but don't do it like this, introduce new characters instead of replacing existing ones.
Like fucking Robbie is a good example. I'm reading through early Spider-Man, and it's obvious that they placed in black characters due to the political climate of the time, but it was done a million times better. Robbie is a new character, doesn't feel forced, and he's fucking bro-tier. And guess what, he didn't need to be a superhero. He was just a nice guy, stood up for Peter, had his own sense of right and wrong, and it was a great addition to JJ's character too, their dynamic is great, even if it tones down JJ's douchebaggery a lot, it was needed, JJ was a bit too cartoony for me. Seriously, thinking back, ASM had some good black characters, the Prowler was good shit too.

>>94038508
>Deadpool
>Gwenpool
>Venom
>>>/r/eddit

>>94038453
Why can't I find this video?

>>94038814
>Nowadays, most black women I see have their hair in dreadlocks like in pic related.
No black woman where I live do that, most of them straighten their hair

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>>94038453
>Why does /co/ still give money to Marvel?
I am and forever will be a DC boy but Marvel has heroes I always loved as a child too.

Daredevil
Thor
Spider-Man
Deadpool (when he wasn't just LOL MEMES)
Nightcrawler

>>94038453
>Why does /co/ still give money to Marvel?
that guy named Rooney is probably the only one stupid enough to give them money, ask him

>>94038453

Diversity isn't killing comics. Its the senseless forced-diversity of the modern era while attacking your base of both characters and consumers in doing so.

Black Panther has been around since 1966, joined the Avengers and was the effective leader of the team in 1968, and had his only solo book by 1973. But you'd think modern Marvel writers had just discovered black people this year they way they talk. Marvel has always been a progressive place.

Rhodey took over for Iron Man in the 80s. And everyone was fine with it, because he was a long-standing supporting character in the book and it made sense to occur as it grew organically out of the story.

But now we have a writers donut steal character come out of nowhere and be handed the IM mantle, and all the book's supporting cast is there to be her cheerleader. She isn't allowed to face adversity because the optics of a white male villain beating up a black female hero would look bad, it occurs off-panel. No adversity = no fan attachment to the character. But if you don't like her you *must* be racist misogynistic asshat, their ideology allows no debate.

Make new diversity characters if you wish. Introduce them into existing books and allow them to bloom naturally instead of being horribly forced. But when you kill off or replace popular characters with these new creations you're going to get pushback no matter what - if Riri was a straight white male that came of nowhere, people would be annoyed by that character just as much.

But keep it up. Keep mocking the small number of consumers that will actually purchase your niche product anymore, while pimping yourself to a consumer base that will never buy your product. Thats a winning marketing strategy and see how its doing for you.

>>94038660
Racism. Since big ass lips and watermelons aren't allowed, big ass afroes are the next best thing.

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>>94039233
Like the whole campus protesting shit, this issue came out in 02/1969, not even a year passed since the civil right act, and to me, it's obvious that Marvel wanted to come out and show support for it, probably thinking of the kids, and also it was a current event. I honestly think it was handled well, save for the whole reason they were protesting, seems like they didn't have the balls to do a full-on protest based on race, instead of this dorm nonsense, but can't win'em all. Such a shame that decades ago marvel could do well and comment on the whole race issue the US had, but now it's just hurr iron man is now a black girl. Also don't forget to give her a big ol' afro so we totally know she's black. Honestly.
>>94039382
Also this.

>>94038660
>white people

LOL

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>>94038453

>Tanking sales
>Marketing to normies
>Hiring people who know fuck-all about comics who'd rather push agendas than write stories

Marvel has had at least two (Three?) relaunches that have primarily revolved around saying "Check it out! [Insert classic hero here] is a [insert minority/sex/gender here] now. It's progressive and empowering. Better buy all 27 variant covers!!"

The issue isn't having minority characters, but they have to have more personality than "strong black girl", "edgy lesbian" or "girl".

DC has tons of great minority characters (Jaime Reyes, Michael Holt, literally all of Milestone, Rebirth's version of Ray Terrill) so it's really glaring when you see actual fleshed-out characters on one side and a tumblrite's fantasy on the other.

>>94039382
>She isn't allowed to face adversity because the optics of a white male villain beating up a black female hero would look bad, it occurs off-panel.

Seems strange that they don't just make the villain another black then. Take Floyd Mayweather, give him superpowers, bam, convincing villain and a living embodiment of black stereotypes that your black hero can literally punch.

>>94039452
Don't forget the JLC

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>>94038776
>console shooter
>superior anything

Step aside, REAL superior black character representing.

>>94039447
What? Is Bendis not white?

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>>94039446
>hey son it's okay to protest things that you believe for, but don't break shit
>dad u a whitewashed house nigga reeeee
>that's literally what we want, to be "whitewased" aka no difference between any of us, so we're all equal

>circa 1969
Really makes you think

>>94038817
but Gwen isnt sjw?

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>>94039529

>>94039489

I can't believe I forgot them

>>94039530
It's a real issue tbf. A black person who's wealthy and speaks normally is often dismissed by other blacks as an uncle tom. If you're black, rich, and you don't be talking like dis when I be axing you summin then your "blackness" is in question.

>>94039529
Well he's jewish, which are kind of wishy washy regarding race.

>>94039600
>Ohio

So he's a white-washed jew.

>>94038453
>Shitting on "fanboys"

Who the fuck do they think is even still buying their terrible comics if not fanboys? Do they honestly believe the tumblr crowd are buying books?

>>94039606
Not to mention if they are republican
Then they be a coon

Why does the black Iron Man have an afro? It seems really weird that they would choose that hairstyle when you have to put on a helmet.


Also the only reason diversity isn't working is because the characters suck and comics have lost their way. The writing is shit, and Marvel is just hoping to bank on the namebrand of SPIDERMAN! THOR! etc. to get sales and not actual interesting characters. The last decent Marvel diversity addition was probably Ghost Rider?

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>>94039606
Sounds like an actual racial/cultural issue that should be explored, maybe in a medium that also reaches wide within a certain age group... If only there was one such thing

why did this plague have to descend on comics and video games? at the same damn time. we got taken over by the lamest people possible.

>>94039529
>not white
for white supremacist jews aren't white, he's jew with 2 adopted nigglets

>>94039530
>>94039669
Stop using this feminine emoji for fuck's sake

>>Parent "I need Riri because my children need a black female to look up to!"
>>Kid "Can I buy these?"
>>Parent "$4 A COMIC?! OH LORD! You aren't wasting your money on that!"

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>>94039695
Did you just assume it's gender, shitlord?

>>94039640
Remeber when the Hellcat writer was complaining her tumblr "fans" didn't buy the book?

>>94039732
sounds juicy, can you give me a quick rundown?

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>>94039728
FUCK OFF

>>94039680
1) Gamergate for video games
2) The Avengers reached a billion and suddenly everyone had their opinion on what was wrong with comics.

The moment your industry makes a billion dollar is when it goes to hell. I remember seeing posts hating on Baby Driver because it has a "Gun Fetish" and "Failed the Bachdel Test". People have this stupid idea that if they make stories pander to them, the world will change overnight. Which is hilarious cause most people can't name five films that came out 2 years ago off hand.

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>>94038453
I don't.
>No, it isn't diversity that ruins comics
>It's your inability to make them likeable.

>>94038660
Because you won't let us touch your puffy hair so we have to make games where we can.

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>>94039681
>>94039627
>>94039600

Ohh, my mistake then. I just assumed that he was just a bald white guy.

>>94039680
Both are made by nerdy betas desperate to get laid by any means possible so they went along with all these angry fat chicks to facilitate this. This shit doesn't happen in Japan where they've evolved beyond their need to procreate.

She looks like one of the Bogdanoffs.

>>94039000
Truth. The afro is a meme, most black women go to great lengths to either braid or perm their hair to keep from becoming messy and nappy because it's scene as not being well groomed

>>94039823
To be fair, an afro haircut isn't even a top 10 contender when it comes to impractical/stupid design choices in comics.

>>94039606
There's books studying ebonics as an actual dialect of English.

>>94038941
Because black women wear afros just like cowboy wears hats.

>>94038776
What's all that shit in her hair?

>>94039627
Well they pretend to be white when they want to play up white racism and then they decide to be Jewish so they can claim discrimination and diversity points for appeasing them

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>>94038453
What the fuck is wrong with it's face?

>>94039681
Jews have never been considered white at any point in history. Some pretend to be white by anglicizing their family name but when the cats out of the bag they're subsequently treated like the vermin they are. Unfortunately, the thing with Hitler made them a protected class now so they play up their minority status

>>94039987
She's an octopus.

>>94038453
>resting smug face

Who would've thought that would ever become a thing? I guess if anyone was going to be able to do it, it would be liberals with access to social media.

>>94038453
So why are people mad at her? She's not wrong.

>>94040297
She follows the Ghostbusters method of damage control
>Everything is fine with our business model, you people just suck

>>94039935
Back in the 60/70s, yes

>>94038453
Why do you fallow retards on twitter? Do you enjoy being triggered?

>>94038453
I just buy their older collections.
Some of the best comics ever made.

>>94038660
Because it's racist to have them use relaxers to have straight hair like a non black woman. I'm serious. PC idiots think that using relaxers is a sign that a woman doesn't want to be black, or at least that her poofy hair is unattractive.

>>94040297
The smugness about it all. People hate being looked down upon, even if the person who's doing it is right. It's a big reason why more people are getting tired of progressivism in general. It's not that it exists but how they seem to always act like complete douches.

>>94039231
Well, part of it is Marvel's unrealistic expectations.
When Ms. Marvel appeared with a Muslim character, having huge critical acclaim, and above average sales, Disney expected that anomaly to be the norm for sales, and marketed accordingly.

>>94038508
Gwenpool, because she's not patting herself on the back for being gay, transsexual, etc..., doesn't shove in those groups at every opportunity or have characters that are defined by their sexuality, and doesn't shoehorn in issues from politics, she just has fun comic book adventures, which is the kind of thing I like.

>>94040373
Their nappy hair is pretty nasty though

>>94040330
>Everything is fine with our business model, you people just suck
she said that if it were series like ms marvel and black panther, or iirc she mentioned ghost rider wouldn't sell or be liked. Which is true. The issue is the bad writers.

(I'd link the video but 4chan is restricting me from doing so since they think it's spam)

she points out series like ms marvel and bp are written by people that understand the characters racially and culturally more so they know hot to make them real characters.

she still seems to say some dumb shit but diversity isn't killing comics.

If these bad writers wrote for other characters those characters would still be bad white or not.

>>94038453
Diversity doesn't mean black man/woman or white blonde woman.

>>94040605
I thought diversity was an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era?

>>94038510
This reflects my feelings, I buy and read a shitton of comics about LGBT groups, minorities, different cultures and whatnot. But I don't buy a comic if the writing is garbage. For example, I thought Kamala Khan was pretty great, but some of latest runs have just sucked, and I skip them if they fail to tell a story well. I give Marvel money when they write a good story, not just because they threw in a black or female character. Optimally they do both in a way that doesn't actively destroy a currently existing character. Oh and the art has to be good (I think we all remember that shitjob that was fucking Hellcat #6, with Natasha Allegri.)

By the way, what are they doing with She-Hulk lately? Do I even want to know?

Meanwhile there are plenty of independent comics that are fun, and I can watch Steven Universe (yeah season 4 had a couple of lame episodes but overall I fucking love the whole damn show,) and a billion other decent entertainment options until Marvel gets their shit together.

>>94040094
They're just people man, the same everybody else on the planet, we're born, we get shoved around by society, we do good things and bad things, and then fuckers like you go around judging people based on what? Somebody not praying to some dude they exact way you want them to, skin color? Fuck off /pol/.

>>94038453
This is why abortions exist.

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>diversity isn't killing marvel comics you fanboy mansplainers LOL!
>wooow the fanboy bigots weren't buying our comics because they hated diversity! This is why we need more diversity.

>>94040706
>By the way, what are they doing with She-Hulk lately?

She has a book where she's now known as just Hulk and is grey but instead of doing superhero stuff she just does dumb bullshit with her incredibly stereotypical gay assistant.

>>94039233
>>Replace already existing, established characters with "diverse" versions for no real reason and give shitty reasoning for it in the story
This really fucking confuses me, especially in the case of a lot of characters that already have a diverse supporting cast that almost never get touched. Like, why make Iron Man a black woman when War Machine exists? Why not just push War Machine into the spotlight a bit more?

>>94040706
>By the way, what are they doing with She-Hulk lately?
Nothing. She has her ongoing (just called "Hulk") and it's the most fucking nothing comic I've ever seen. I think she went like 6 issues before hulking out.

>>94038453
I didn't know Comicstorian became a tranny

>>94039732
lol. any screenshots or sth?

>>94038453
Who is this fat boy?

>>94038658
That's a insult to clowns everywhere.

>>94039124
I'm actively trying to recreate that face and I can't do it.

>>94040812
>>94040802
Well that sucks, I always liked her more down to earth "I'm an ordinary person with extraordinary powers"-thing, which mostly just interfere with her being a solid lawyer (though the lawyer side of things usually has terrible writing,) but it isn't any good if she doesn't have to deal with her Hulk side at all. The combination is what makes She-hulk work for me. That and occasions when she bros-up with Spider-man and does fun shit.

>>94039231
you do realize marvel has been in decline in general for decades now, right? the whole point of gambling on the status quo upsetting PC titles is the very fact that it literally can't get worse. Now some retards look at the last quarter instead of the ongoing annual trends and think there's some definitive causation when there's clearly isn't. And if you actually read any of that interview you'd see that the author is desperately and feebly trying to establish correlation and then treating it as if it's indicative of something causal: typical statistic illiteracy, typical talentless amateur journalism, typical gossip rag headline, typical reading comprehension challenged fanboys gobbling it up with zero critical thinking

>>94040890
>>94039752
I remember there was a big thread about it, but I didn't save any of the screencaps. She specifically mentioned some "fans" saying they read scans of her book on tumblr and never bought anything. Like, they literally came up to her and said "I read it on tumblr". And those that said they bought it admitted they never bought anything past the first volume.

>>94038814
>most black women I see
well, have you tired not hanging around poor people?

>>94041013
Don't do it anon, looking that smug and self-satisfied isn't healthy.

>>94041053
The difference is now the Marvel brand is bigger than ever and yet it seems like the comics are doing everything they possibly can to not capitalize on it. It would be just as shitty for us but the fact that they aren't making the comics as close to the movies as possible to draw in that audience is just baffling. With the stuff they're doing now they're not only turning away old fans but making any potential new ones uninterested because the comics are full of a bunch of nobodies they've never heard of.

>>94039680
Because comics and video games are extremely popular with young people, and that isn't showing any signs of changing. They have to ruin these industries because if they don't they won't reach the rubes they are trying to influence.

>>94038510
It's too bad that's almost always tied to shitty writers who care more about appealing to diversity than quality writing

Reminder that it's gotten to the point that manga outsells marvel in graphic novels. Berserk is Dark Horses best selling product.

>>94039124
She looks like that Beans kid from Even Stevens

>>94040463
>she just has fun comic book adventures

the problem is that the book is poorly written and just not funny at all, creative or anything

>>94038660
To let everyone know without a doubt that the character is black in an instant, especially not one that would straighten their hair, otherwise they might not get maximum diversity points if people confuse them for Pacific Islander, or South East Asian.

To a lot of these people whether they admit it or not is basically to do the opposite of what they consider bad which is the straight white Christian male and the opposite therefore must be good.
Therefore racial diversity means more blacks, religious diversity means more Muslims, sex diversity means women and sexual diversity means more gays.
Some people foolishly believe that diversity means correct representation of the population at large but no actual practices refute this, otherwise there would be many more Asian and Hispanic characters.
That's it that's their whole underlying philosophy in a nutshell.

>>94040378
This is only a recent phenomenon. It used to be if someone was treating you like a moron you would reflect on what you may have done to deserve it. Now anytime anyone has a criticism or a dismissive attitude towards their stupidity it turns into a knife fight.

SJW's certainly aren't alone in their special snowflake mindset, everyone from all walks of life now seems to have a real issue with dealing with adversary and criticism.

White women are insufferable.

>>94041272
I agree, but everything else has gotten so bogged down by the stuff I mentioned, or have even worse writers, that Gwenpool (a book with mediocre writing) shines over them.

The only other thing I've enjoyed recently are US Avengers, and Deadpool/Spider-Man team up.

>>94041052
Having a single female lawyer with super strength also being a bit of a tramp is problematic. Can't have that, better side line her and push more dykes to the front.

>>94038453
Who's the person with the weird face and the fascist side-cut?

>>94041053
>decades
Marvel went bankrupt in the 90s, they climbed themselves out of it from the 00s through the early 10s. This new decline started post-Secret Wars.

>>94038453
I don't get the whole gender/race/whateverbending trend. If you're confident your awesome new character concept is solid, then make it a new superhero. If the new character concept and your writing is as good as you think it is, it should be able to build a fanbase of its own, without wearing the hollowed out corpse of another character, right? Taking an established superhero and turn him/her into someone completely different is a surefire way to piss off the fanbase that fell in love with the existing character, with a high risk that the replacement character won't manage to repeat whatever made the original character popular in the fist place.

That person is right, diversity isn't killing comics.
Bad writing is.

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>>94038453
What's up with her face? She looks like a damn Who.

>>94038581
I thought Ms.Marvel actually started out with pretty good sales when she first appeared. Did those drop?

>>94041503
Yeah, Civil War 2 killed it. Tone of the book changed, none of the people reading it wanted that.

>>94038755
t. whitey

>>94038508
Is the punisher still going on?

>>94041395
It seems like having any lady who's into sex with men these days is problematic.
I miss the old liberalism, when women taking control of their sexuality was a good thing.

Or maybe it's just that fun is problematic.

>>94041545
Yep, after Secret Wars, people got annoyed that the book changed (Kamale being an Avenger too soon, not developing her own rogues gallery first, and not having enough adventures on her own to earn that status), then she got dragged into Civil War II and her book suffered since the writing went to shit.

Here is the actual video

https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/850335615753179136

>>94040167
And a human infant

>>94038453
>AJ+
nononono. I'd rather read a 100 buzzfeed articles than these shady bastards. This is literally funded by Qatar!

Has there been anything good since Secret Wars? I stopped reading when that was still going on.

The only people giving their money to Marvel are people who believe in the wage gap myth, thinks that Hillary Clinton lost the election because she was a woman, thinks that only white people can be racist, gets all their news from TYT, CNN, and/orAJ+, or in other words nobody from /co/

>>94040810
Marvel has repeatedly made attempts over the years at giving Rhodey the spotlight, but they were all half-assed and no one at the company ever dares write a black man as anything other than the standard stoic and deadly serious strong male. So of course, all those attempts fell through.

Marvel then interprets this as meaning that they should instead focus on palette-swapping their recognized name brand characters in order to have more lasting effect.

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>>94038721
Why are you showing me the same character but with different ligh- oh...

>>94038721
the one on the right is cute.

>>94038776
>Nintenbro being based yet again

Why are japs infinitely better at handling race and gender than the west

I mean I just bought Astonishing X-Men and I really like other comics, I think Marvel isn't SJW the company, but instead they just push the SJW shit while good books don't get the coverage/marketing they need. Or don't need because X-Men and Spider-Man books sell well regardless of whether or not a TV show or Marvel push is there or not.

>>94040342
Hairstyles are cosmestic choices, not a necessity like wearing hats in the old west.

>>94039640
She's trying to turn the word "fanboy" into something derogatory or insulting like "piss baby"

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>>94041899
Nani?

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How hard is it for them to reflect, look in the mirror, and realize nobody is crying about mere diversity but rather politically motivated attempts to take down existing properties and insert politically correct left wing agendas in the process?

Nobody gives a shit about organically doverse characters like black panther, storm, falcon, etc. If they paid attention most people didn't even mind when Falcon took the mantle of Cap, any more so than when Bucky did, because of who is is and where he is established in relation to Steve.

It's not only that you disagree with their creative vision. You're a bad person for daring to be so bold.

The smug chucklefucks are just looking for opportunities to tear down perceived power structures that don't align with their cosmic utopian vision of equity and social justice wherever they are, and since comics are a big property in pop culture right now hey will tear thay down and remake it in their image if they are enabled, leaving it a smoldering corpse faintly resembling that which we used to love; that nobody - not even themselves - wants to touch once they have sufficiently used it to further their faux-egalitarian agenda.

I am a black faggot and I hate these actual faggots agreeing with their vision on my behalf

>>94041322
>It used to be if someone was treating you like a moron you would reflect on what you may have done to deserve it.

Yeah, people used to love someone acting smugly superior talking down to them like they're a moron, instead of rationalizing their beliefs like an adult. That's how Daryl Davis was able to get all those KKK members to leave the organization, he didn't befriend them and show them through kindness why they were wrong, he just looked down on them and called them white trash. I think he learned that method after seeing how successful MLK was with it during the civil rights era.

>>94041810
You just got your answer.

>>94038453
>Is diversity killing comics?
Nope, but shitty writing sure as hell can.

>>94038453
I don't spend a dime. & when I do, it's the good shit. Wish people did the same.

>>94042587
What happened with the Falcon? Did Sam fuck up?

>>94038508
Venom is absolute trash now. Gwenpool is what people brand new to comics think is good, because they didn't ever read the Animal Man run it's ripping off.

>>94042668
Sam passed on the idea, because he didn't want to be "The world's mightiest TOKEN" again.

>>94042709
desu anything gwen* is garbage waifubaiting of the highest caliber

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>>94042064
see, they even know how to handle jokes properly

>>94042755
Well damn, good for him.

>>94041987
Cowboy mustache was cosmetic?

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>>94041899
Because their brand of racism is about nations, special mentions to Korea and China. Nips don't really seem to understand what is America's issues with race.

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>>94038453

Well shit everyone's transitioning genders left and right now what the hell

>>94039087
>There's only one other person on 4chan.
>I declare victory!
Jesus anon, get ahold of yourself.

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>>94038508
>Gwenpool

No.

>>94039124
Fucking gold.
Saved.

Comics don't have diversity though. They're just releasing colour/gender swapped versions of existing heroes. It's Malibu Stacy with a new hat.

If they were actually pushing for diversity they would release new characters with their own identities.

>>94039778
>I am not the only one who wants to touch the puffy hair
Thank God, I was starting to think I was a weirdo.
Well, I probably am a weirdo for other reasons, but still...

>>94042090
>If they paid attention most people didn't even mind when Falcon took the mantle of Cap, any more so than when Bucky did, because of who is is and where he is established in relation to Steve.

Yes they did, because they FUCKING LIKED FALCON.

I'm still baffled about that choice. Falcon isn't like Bucky, who wanted to get away from his persona and be something better. There was an organic shift from the former guy who used to look up to Cap eventually taking the mantle to escape his past and the monstrous stuff he'd done and prove he, and by extension america, could be something better. But Falcon was a hero! He's one of the oldest heroes! He's faced huge threats, been an avenger since before most of these fucks were even born, he's had a history and an impact and he was old and storied enough he could have had his own legacy character by now! And just when he shows up in the movies and gets a following, he's not falcon anymore. It's a slap to the face of anyone who liked this character to imply him losing his title for the 'big' name like Steve's character had was 'brave and progressive'.

>>94041899
Of course they are, they shit on everyone who isn't japanese which is the smart way to go about it. Asians are very nationalistic and respect and uphold their culture and homeland. Which is why you see articles made by Jews and liberals claiming needs immigrants because they haven't given into the brown hordes Luke the west has yet

I'm fairly good with faces, and I am not sure I could draw her nose. It's got extra stuff or something. Anyway, it's fucking weird.
Rhinoplasty, maybe?

>>94043859
>he could have had his own legacy character by now
He does. There's an illegal mexican immigrant that's the Falcon now. Wonder what'll happen to him after Sam becomes the Falcon again.

>>94041503
When they realized they had caught lightning in a bottle, they promptly started to meddle with it which quickly tanked the book.

>>94038843
/pol/ is ALWAYS right

>>94043859
You're right but I was talking about outrage in relation to forced diversity

>>94038453
Holy shit, the framing in this screenshot. Anybody got that plebs comic pic? You know the one.

>>94038510
this, and diversity is just their shield+strawman of choice. if they KNOW something is going to be shit, they make sure to slap some diversity onto it, so that they can call sexism/racism in the short term, and so that 'diversity' takes the blame in the long term.

>>94039760
Based

>>94038453
Smug Face: "Sorry Fanboys, Blarg!"

Cut to a week from now when she complains how mean everyone is being to her online.

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>>94044437
>a lady triggered me, if I whine at her on Twitter this will prove she was wrong somehow

>>94044022
Oh for fucks sake. I stopped reading that shit when he became Cap, when did this happen?

Please tell me he at least knows who this new falcon is. Like, they've met? He was a side character before? They at least saw each other before he got the costume on?

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>>94044298
I got it

>>94044022
>Wonder what'll happen to him after Sam becomes the Falcon again.
He will have to go back.

>>94042090

More simply put, the creators at Marvel aren't concerned with producing a quality product for the readers, they are more concerned about preaching their propaganda towards the readers.

And they think that trying to guilt customers into buying your product is somehow a legitimate marketing tactic. Comic books and entertainment in general aren't charity drives, they can't guilt people into giving them money.

>>94045562
You'd think the whole Ghostbusters fiasco would have served as an example of why this sort of strategy doesn't work.

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>>94038453
Alright, i ranted. Thank you for alerting me to another page to shitpost on facebook on

>>94045608
There are people still trying to paint fembusters as some kind of moderate success. Cuz you know, 70% rotten tomatoes or some shit. Basically, you'll never see someone say "Ghostbusters 2016 was terrible, lets not do that". The narrative is that it did ok.

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>>94039124
>>94041268

>>94040810
>Like, why make Iron Man a black woman when War Machine exists? Why not just push War Machine into the spotlight a bit more?

Because he's not diverse enough because he's a man. Shitty writers want all the credit for creating something groundbreaking but can't create shit so they just take some new bland character and dump some diversity on them for virtue signaling and a cop out for their bad writing.

>>94041987
But during different time periods, people tend to have the same styles.

Afros were popular in that time period.

>>94038814
I hate these stupid predator-ass hairdos, they always smell like someone dragged their head through a sewer.

>>94042755
I guess Anthony Mackie is perfect casting then

>>94039382
Well said
Marvell is purposely making it out to sound like they are some vanguard of diversity in media and is race-baiting for attention and sales and it's disgusting

>>94039987
Mucus

>>94041503
They tried to push her into everything, and promptly ruined her.

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>>94039669
One can dream, anon.

>>94045767
>you'll never see someone say "Ghostbusters 2016 was terrible, lets not do that"
But you'll sure as Hell HEAR it in the boardroom meetings where the people who actually matter take the decisions.

This PC phase is going to die, just like the PC pandering to soccer moms in the '90s died and for the exact same reason - Letting people who don't consume your products dictate the content of your products is fucking terrible business. You'd think they'd fucking learn.

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>>94044730
>lady
>she
What did anon mean by this?

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>>94041899
because they don't make ugly niggers, they make dark skinned versions of the pretty template characters they have.

To japs a black female character looks the same as the white/asians but with a brown skin.

To western devs it is a monkey that learned how to speak.

>>94038453

Diversity isn't killing comics, but it sure as hell isn't saving them.

>>94038508
This but replace Venom with Ms Marvel

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>>94042587
Green Arrow is for quotas.

>>94038690
That easily falls under bad writing and decision making. It doesn't matter if it's diversity replaced , people hate when characters are replaced period, see: HEAT (if you don't know what that is, you don't know enough to be having the discussion)

>>94038453
>paying for funnybooks

>>94045842
Lol Beans lives near a friend of mine and is just a raging alcoholic who sits on his porch all day screaming at people

>>94047875
There are about a million different works and acronyms going by the name heat, be more specific.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_(disambiguation)

>>94047996
Nope, I gave you more than enough context casual.

Marvel comics I'm buying:

Deadpool
Spider-Man/Deapdool (Just stopped buying it now that the main team is gone, might check it out when Robbie Thompson starts writing)
Spectacular Spider-Man (Probably gonna drop this, it's not great)
Venom (This one I have no excuse for)
Ben Reilly: Scarlet Spider (Mostly for Kaine)
Spider-Man 2099 (Just ended two days ago)
All new Guardians of the Galaxy
Amazing Spider-Man: Renew your vows

>>94048044

Not him, but you're a moron.

High Explosive Anti Tank ammunition has nothing to do with this.

>>94048044
Nope, literally nothing. You're probably remembering the name wrong. Either that or it's something nobody but you cares about that has no internet footprint.
https://www.google.com/#q=characters+replaced+heat+comic

>>94042709
>Morrison
>good
is what people brand new to comics think

>>94048091
>>94048105
Nope, still retarded casuals.

>>94038658
>she

>>94048132
Hows that neckbeard fag

>>94038510
Marvel's brand of diversity isn't really diversity at all.

True diversity in media is having creators from all walks of life, who are honest and given a chance to be honest in their craft. Hiring a bunch of privileged kids with no life experience is not diversity, no matter what color they dye their hair.

All people respond to authenticity. That's not what we're being given.

>>94048146
Nonexistent, how are your problem glasses and tiny dick?

>>94038510
>>94038690
>>94047875
Ms Marvel and Robbie were pretty well received, but I don't think they really counted as replacements.

>>94048165
>problem glasses
/co/mblr is real

>>94047996
>>94048091
>>94048132
Hal's Emerald Attack Team you fucking casuals. Jump off a tall building.

>>94038660
Because afros are the opitomy of black beauty, and using straight hair to emulate white people just shows a degree of self shame.

Plus unnatural black hair is gross and tacky.

>>94041545
Yeah, I dropped it around that point. Also, felt like I had to read other books to get sped up on whats going on.

>>94048222
Yea for one, Ghost Rider is a character that legacies make sense for, like GL, and for another Kamala is literally not a replacement

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>>94048132
>>94048224

>>94048315
>It is autisitic to know about the history of comic books
I guess you're right but it's more autistic to pretend to know about it then complain about it when someone doesn't spoonfeed you.

>>94041422
>then make it a new superhero
This has been proven time and time again to never work. The Western comic industry fans don't want new characters and thus don't buy them, and the characters flop.

>>94048224
>expecting anyone to know you were talking about an obscure 90s usenet era fan movement just by referencing their extremely generic acronym that's been used as a name for works in literally every form of entertainment media that exists
You sure showed us anon.

>>94038453

I buy X-Men stuff (That doesn't revolve around shitting on them) and anything Fantastic 4 I can find (Walgreens has bern getting exclusive Marvel Legends figures) out of spite.
Well, and Gwenpool and Renew Your Vows.
Voting with my wallet when it comes to comics means supporting what you like and ignoring what you don't. Even if the company in question are largely fuckheads

>>94038581
He's not agreeing with you because you're right and the diversity shit is wrong. He was basically saying that comic fanboys are so racist/sexist and resistant to change that they couldn't accept all these blacks and squatemalans and stronk womyn and whatnot that they rejected the comics. Basically "we TRIED to do the right thing but those evil shitlords just wouldn't accept it" instead of admitting their approach backfired because it was all poorly done garbage.

>>94048410

Not the anon you were arguing with, buckaroo. I just thought you seemed like a cockjuggling thundercunt, is all.

You have a good day now.

>>94048484
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I'M A CASUAL SPOONFEEED MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>94045971
>not just doing your research on a character and using that for a diversity push
Fuck, I could do these asshole's job. Rhodes had a niece, it was already established she was smart kid.
>unknown villain kills Rhodes when he is out of suit
>Tony goes to the funeral
>gives his condolences to the family
>has a one-to-one with Rhodes' niece
>???
>takes her under his wing as the new War Machine, whilst keeping it a secret from her family

>>94041503
marvel fucked with it and kamala is now aimlessly drifting like every other big book at the company

>>94048506
Takes one to know one chief

>>94039043
The future that we chose

>>94039043
>>94048595
As awful as that women looks (a fucking dog of a dog, to be sure), you really should be required to post a timestamped pic of yourself before you shit on someone else's appearance on /co/

>>94048562

Jesus Christ. You are actually autistic aren't you?

>>94038453
My new favorite diversity superhero is Sam Alexander and you killed his book.

So go to hell, Marvel.

>>94048275
Wilson as cap was unnecessary, easily could've brought back Patriot instead. Miles doesn't really count. And Riri is a just a terrible child, rather have a storyline setting up Arno to take the mantle in 2020.

>>94048486
>and anything Fantastic 4
Poor bastard.

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>>94038453
>Using fanboys as an insult
>Not realizing "fanboys" are pretty much the only people putting bread on your plate
Does this bitch think the government gives them grants to write comics or something? Yes, please continue to alienate your clientele, it'll be hilarious to see them complaining about the "shitlord fanboys" who made them homeless when the industry finally collapses.

>>94038658
UY UN GAY

The post modern idea of skill as problematic is what's killing comics.
It's no longer expected for writers and artists to have any skill in their craft, because that means not everyone would be able to express themselves, and self expression is the most important facet of art.
Diversity itself isn't the problem, it just so happens that a lot of people who want to express themselves and skill happen to be on the side of diversity.

>>94048866
*and lack skill

>>94048631
Nope just a big old cock juggling thundercunt. Though it does say something about you that you assume the disable are all assholes

>>94039762
>Bachdel Test
The lesbian that coined that has said it was a joke.

>>94048980
Bechdel is actually pretty cool.

>>94038453
>Is Diversity killing comics?
No just Bendis and lazy writing.

>>94039762
People should hate on Baby Driver, it looks fucking aweful.

>>94039987
Bro, that shit IS her hair

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>>94048901

Alright newfriend.

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>>94049055
>Calling others newfags when you didn't know HEAT

>>94049021
Slott is a far greater evil than Bendis. Miles Morales didn't replace anyone.

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>>94038510
What's the difference?

>>94038508
I'm enjoying deadpool until he got sucked into secret empire now it's boring as shit can't wait for the event crossover to finish

>>94048628
>you really should be required to post a timestamped pic of yourself before you shit on someone else's appearance on /co/
Fuck off, tumblr.

>>94049091

Listen, when you get upset about the word "autistic" being thrown around as an insult on fucking 4chan of all places, you might be a newfriend. That's okay. No shame in that.

>Not knowing about a group of spergy GL fans from the 90s

You got me there, senpai. That's probably worth some good boy points, right?

>>94049118
Except Ultimate Peter. Fuck, I'm an idiot, that was the worst.

>>94048156
they do hire creators from all walks of life, the problem is they hire people who are simply shit writers.

>>94039660
Oh you mean the Mexican ghost rider who lives in east LA who fights gang bangers dressed in blue and drug dealers oh wow thanks marvel i really feel like my kind is being represented well oh and don't forget he isnt a real ghost rider he isnt possessed by a spirit of vengeance he's possessed by his uncle the nightstalker richard ramirez way to go marvel

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>>94047620
This

PC depictions of black women tend to be more racist if anything.

>>94038453
I've been slowly chipping the marvel from my pull list. My LCS has a massive basement filled with back issues of comics for a dollar. I don't give my dollar to marvel, I give my dollar to the store itself for stories that I love/loved.

Anything else I download. Fuck marvel.

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>>94045842
jesus fucking christ my sides. 10/10 anon

>>94048628
I'll admit I'm no looker, but even an ugly sane person would stay away.
The dyked hair and short sides is a huge warning for crazy and not the fun kind of crazy either.
This is the kind of crazy that would scream HARASSMENT at a single comment and sue you for every sheckle you have.

>>94048628
>>94049679

also it looks like random screencaps of a video which never is gonna give a good picture of someone

>>94043297
lol

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>>94038453
I think I see the resemblance.

>>94049679
do spoilers not work anymore?

>>94049529

In their effort to be politically correct, they shun black people drawn like pretty anime girls and end up drawing MINSTREL SHIT (see Steven Universe).

I swear the Boondocks seem to be the only one that somehow GETS it.

>>94048628
>that woman
>woman
Why do people keep acting like that person is female? Am I on crazy pills or is it not really obvious that's a tranny?

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Leave it to dc to create the only good muslim character

>>94049828
>I swear the Boondocks seem to be the only one that somehow GETS it.

Probably because it has a black creator and not some privileged white chick with an odd hair color.

>>94048497

Oh I know. It was a backhanded comment to insult comic book fans, but he unintentionally pissed off the SJW crowd because they didn't like the implications that they contributed NOTHING to keep comic books alive.

>>94049860
Never mind, I take it back. Heard that thing talk and it's not a tranny. That is the ugliest girl I've ever seen barring literal deformity or face cancers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbVZzgCYp8g

>>94041347
>current Deadpool
>worse than Gwenpool

You could have just led with "I have shit taste" and saved everyone some time.

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>>94049427
>mcfw this retard thinks that HEAT isn't a classic /co/ meme

>>94049411
So you are indeed ugly? Lel

>>94038690
>Replacing established characters with brown and female knockoffs certainly isn't helping.

would that fall within the umbrella of terrible decisions?

So dumb, they could always try to make new diverse supes if they care so much

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>>94038660
>/thread within 8 posts
>/co/ keeps being easily baited and responding to some stupid fedora neckbeards pushing their pathetic agenda for 300+ posts

>>94050067
meant for
>>94038510

>>94049912
Its sad that the real problem is instead of reinventing old old characters they should have just added new ones into already set comics and see if the fan base likes it.

I mean look at Punisher (Spiderman), Cable (Uncanny xmen), Deadpool (x-force), Rocket raccoon (Hulk), and Wolverine (Hulk) to name a few. Its not that hard, but they have to go the shittiest path insulting the fans along the way.

>>94048685

I was super pissed when I went back to Marvel Heroes last week and found out I couldn't buy FF characters anymore. I already had Johnny, Ben, and the Surfer. But I never got around to buying Reed and Sue because I was a cheap bastard that only ever saved up infinity shards for them.

Still salty about it.
Although I was ecstatic when I was kicking around Walgreens the other day and saw Sue sitting on the shelf (Surrounded by Namor figures. Someone at that store is a /co/mrade with a sense of humor.) and bought her right up.

>>94050146
>Sue sitting on the shelf (Surrounded by Namor figures
Heh

>>94049828
>tfw there's so many hairstyles and skintones black people come in
>PC police always default to this disgusting shit >>94038721

How come tumblrinas get made hate if you create light skin black women even through they do exist?

>>94050194

Because they're obsessed with being seen as a "good person", so they see light skinned black people as "evil" because white people like them and they always champion for the underdog, regardless of what they're actually like.

>>94050358
I'm a light skinned black person and the ugly darkies are the absolute worst.

>>94038453
just to be clear, is what happened here someone asked a question that had the word diversity in it, and the PR flack reflexively answered with this?

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>>94050358
Ah, what a shame. They missed out.

>>94050040
Yeah, but you're retarded. Sorry about your loss.

>>94050509
>>94050674

They do look pretty, regardless if you're black or not.

If anyone asks "what's so bad about being an extremist when it comes to doing the right thing", answer "when it loops right back to being as bad as the "villains" you hate."

>>94050674
From left to right:
>ew
>ew
>ew
>ew
>meh
>holy crap my eyes
>ew
>ew
>ew
>ew

>>94038453
I like how they needed to use a white person to say this. Why can't they be diverse and use a black person? It's almost as if they too hate forced diversity.

>>94050961
you can just admit you like dick anon nobody cares.

>>94038453
I bet with those cheeks she could suck a golf ball through a garden hose

That poor hose.

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>>94045767

If Marvel's comic department believes that, they're doomed.

>>94051156
>That image
Women aren't even an issue. Harley Quinn selling like hotcakes for a while proves that.

I would read a competently written solo series about Storm or She-Hulk, or a competently written team book with a female in the lead like Emma or Rogue in the X-Men, or Carol in the Avengers.

The problem isn't that they're female, it's that they're largely insufferable. The shit opinions they spout, the bland and unflattering outfits they tend to wear, the even more unflattering artstyles they're drawn in, and the unrelatable hamfisted stories they keep telling with these women.
It's all so bad.
Especially when so many of these new females (and minorities) are never portrayed in a negative light.
America issue one starts with an entire page of people praising America as the second coming of Jesus.
Riri Williams is constantly praised in universe for doing shit that other heroes either get chastised for or just do as an every day part of the job.
Carol is portrayed as this super popular in universe warrior woman that everyone loves and is always right.

Even one of the Moongirl and DD issues has Moongirl getting visually upset with her teacher for not being a racist so she couldn't spout her defensive nonsense.

It's complete dogshit, and they aren't getting it through their heads that people like flawed characters. Even Superman is portrayed as a fallible being. The only "Perfect" characters people tend to like are villains, because it helps add to their threat factor when the hero fights them.

>>94049330
Diversity is only how bad writing is currently manifesting, not the root cause of the problem

>>94051679

Its the final nail in the coffin. But yes, it is not the root of the problems.

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>blocks your dick

>>94051675
>Even one of the Moongirl and DD issues has Moongirl getting visually upset with her teacher for not being a racist so she couldn't spout her defensive nonsense.

that was in iron man so good to know you're full of shit and just mad and judging things based on out of context panels

>>94051679

Diversity in writing, like all thingd, is terrible when it's forced.
Marvel has always had tons of diversity since it's inception. Even one of it's most popular franchises, the X-men, uses diversity as a backdrop.

The thing that sucks about Marvel's current got at diversity is that it doesn't just celebrate diversity, it puts it on a pedestal as the best thing ever, while also demonizing "Non-diverse" individuals.
Diversity should never be about alienation amd propping one group over another.

>>94051675
>Even one of the Moongirl and DD issues has Moongirl getting visually upset with her teacher for not being a racist so she couldn't spout her defensive nonsense
I'm pretty sure this was the ironman girl

>>94051926
>terrible when it's forced.
oh boy theres that word again

>>94051958

Yes anon, plenty of people have said this comic is fucking terrible. But for a good reason.

>>94038453
Nope

>>94038453
I don't.

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>>94051851
This is the state of Marvel comics right now.

>>94051958
Forced is an appropriate word to use when a writer attempts something that's obviously out of their wheelhouse.

>>94041899
Because they don't rub how morally superior they are in our faces when they do it.

In the west it's a piety pissing contest, which is why it always comes off as so obnoxious when we do it.

>>94051958

And what would you call turning a bunch of established White male characters into non-white characters that do everything better than their white male counterparts instead of making brand new heroes...If not forced?
And don't give me that "Because new minority heroes don't sell so they need to piggy back off a White hero!" Bullshit either.
Spawn sat comfortably at the top of comic book popularity for the better part of a decade, Storm is arguably the most popular X-Girl save for maybe Rogue, and more kids than not liked Static Shock growing up. So new minority heroes can work.

>>94052182
Spawn's a bit funny in that Todd wanted him to be black but also said he gave him a burned face because he didn't want him to be thought of as black.

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>>94041503
>Did those drop?
Nope. Last month same as the month before same as the month before that.

>>94052232

Well it failed, because he's at the top of a lot of "Best Black super heroes" lists. Which is also funny becausr I'd hardly classify Spawn as super hero.
He's more like The Punisher if Frank had a demonic symbiote.

>>94038510
And "diversity" is blatant symptom of those.

It is like how Dina didn't kill MN9, but she was a symptom of how mismanaged it was.

>>94052182
>And what would you call turning a bunch of established White male characters into non-white characters that do everything better than their white male counterparts instead of making brand new heroes...If not forced?
That's not what I'm getting at (although it's still shitty and not actually diverse!).
Honestly the word "forced" is rapidly becoming a stand-in for "a minority/woman character has a presence in the story and I don't like it"

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>>94051851
>>94052091
Jesus Christ, is this the latest Ms America comic? I missed it being storytimed.

Jesus Christ, I don't have the words. This is why the writer broke Chavez up from her white nurse girlfriend in the first issue?

>>94052517
No one ever cares if it's well-written.

>>94052540
Yep. It's really bad. I mean, honestly, the art is so bad I don't understand how it got published.

>>94052614
That Kate Bishop word bubble should offend and embarrass people of any sexuality.