why are most /co/ lesbian relationships just so....... boring?

Because women are boring

>>94036590
Because Lesbians are boring.

>>94036590
What's that even mean?

>>94036590
Because relationships are boring

Because no one likes real fag couples so media makes them as tame as possible

>>94036590
Any media presentation is built on a framework of its own history.

Lesbians do not have that history yet. You do not know what is tired, what arouses, what is universal, what interests, what bores, what is forgetful.

It will be a long time yet before that builds up.

>>94036695
Hopefully never.

>>94036642
Lesbian pairings lack chemistry as of late.

>>94036695
>You do not know what what arouses, what interests
Two sexy, naked lesbians fisting each other.

>>94036590
The real reason is because writers are too afraid to do anything outside of a very boring, safe relationship or else they'll get mobbed by the PC crowd for being "problematic". (even though real relationships are messy and imperfect"

>>94036590
Girls can have multiple orgasms while having sex so if two girls are having sex they just go at it forever until they die of exhaustion

Most of them exist as a means of telling people how perfectly normal it is for two hot girls, who can get any guy they want, to want to fuck each other, which misses the point. It's actually quite unnatural outside of fiction and not playing to how wrong it would make them feel while in equal parts confused and aroused is a disservice to the story.

It's cause writers skip the romance. Take Korrasami for example, no bulidup and you feel like the characters have zero agency.

>>94036943
and the Porn isnt even good

>>94036590
Cause everyone's afraid of showing imperfections in the face of potential internet outrage.

>>94036974
We'll agree to disagree on that.

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>>94036590
unlike japan media, western try to capture real woman personality, women are boring as exploitable characters because you need to make them "strong" in order to do not trigger anyone, women are insecure, weak, liars, manipulative and a long etc. But you can show that. While, Japan writes men and make them girls, overexaggerate lust and that works

>>94036590
It's diverse for dummies. You still can say you have gays but never do anything risky.

>>94036590
It's a consequence of cartoons and comics being a boys club. Women are the big other and writing about two women without a man involved is too complicated, especially with the PC burden. There are women currently working on the industry but for getting into it they had to learn to think like a man or else stick to their feminist blog and slash fics. Stories aren't written on a vacuum, they're influenced by the environment

>>94036590
PC burden, most likely. You have groups of people just waiting for a writer or director to mess up a non-heterosexual relationship, just to get pageviews/notes/attention for themselves and form an angry mob. There are people that would rather bring down a work of art, just to get oppression brownie points. Most people would rather not deal with that and write safe relationships so as not to walk into a minefield.

>>94036695
Says you. Chicks have been kissing chicks for a long time. Not openly for very long, but like, genres and literature and media by and for chicks who kiss chicks (or don't, I'm sure some of them don't do kissing on the mouth, whatever) have existed for some time less openly.

It's to be inoffensive as possible while at the same time insulting when someone asks for lgbt /co/ characters

>>94036590
Drama is dangerous for your series in the age of social media. Only being lesbian or gay would provide any kind of shield but even then, people could still attack you if you wrote something like an abusive relationship.

>>94037302
Then stay within it's own niche and stop shitting up cartoons with how boring and forced it is.

There's no way to relate to them.

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>>94036590
Relationships in /co/ are mostly boring in general, period. I don't care if these two characters are fucking unless it affects the much more important & interesting plot line / story. Two uninteresting characters aren't any more interesting just because they're dating.

The only /co/ relationship I actually enjoyed seeing was Rigby & Eileen from Regular Show, and that's because they're very different characters and are fun to see interact with each other.

>>94036759
Many of them are just there to be implied for shipping reasons while not upsetting religious people too much.

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>>94036590
Assume OP didn't like pic related. I don't know what to tell you, maybe it's just not for you.

>>94036655
This.

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>>94036590
Because:
1) Relationships in general are hard to write, not many good cartoon relationships.
2) Censors mean the relationship isn't usually developed enough and feels like an ass pull or pandering, see Korrasami. Or it's a "relationship from the past" that they'll just reference and they will act like just good friends. See Princess Bubblegum and Marceline.
3) All the hype behind a "ground breaking, progressive, relationship" means the standards of the relationship are insanely low. You can not just have a half assed relationship, but a flat out bad one and people will still worship the writers for being "brave enough" to show it.

Korrasami is especially bad, all they did was hold hands at the end and people were having aneurysm at Bryke being "brave and progressive"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_I4UZuALp4

>>94037569
This is the right answer.

>>94036590
Sexual identity becomes the focus and any real depth of character is never displayed.
Although as much as I hated the gay-renee turn to hook in Batwoman that turned into one of the few gay relationships in /co/ that wasn't a total waste of time.

>>94037569
>those reactions
what the fuck, this puts all those arguments with korra fans in perspective

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>>94036695
>Lesbians do not have that history yet.

that's nonsense

there are hundreds of thousands of books of lesbian literature, written by lesbians, for lesbians - and while the majority of these works reached our shelves post 1960, there's a huge body of work detailing the lives of western womyn in same secks relationship to draw on

that's why we have such phrases as 'lesbian bed-death' in common usage, coming straight from lesbian communities talking about themselves honestly

and that''s not even touching the government and university studies detailing everything from the length of lesbian relationships to the high rates of domestic violence and suicide

so while i have no idea why the OP thinks /co/ lesbians are boring, save perhaps what other anons have suggested, in that the current climate suppresses honesty; for you to say that there isn't a known history of lesbian life is ridiculous and can only wonder if you think oranges are the only fruit

>>94037569
don't forget the "ghost busters syndrome" where if you criticize the relationship the fans will just accuse you of being homophobic,

they end up putting the relationship above reproach, discussion becomes impossible

>>94037801
shut the FUCK up Kovacs

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>>94036590
>most
well, feel free to share some western yuri that you did enjoy

Shota x shota is the thinking man's fetish

>>94036590
The same reason why there are more fujos than neckbeards.

>>94037804
>where if you criticize the relationship the fans will just accuse you of being homophobic,

Otherwise known as the "Davekat defense"

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>>94037856

>>94037801
>so while i have no idea why the OP thinks /co/ lesbians are boring
Because they're so ubiquitous as a story device in modern webcomics, comic books, and cartoons. And because they are always portrayed in a way that avoids any flaws, because the obvious intent is to prove to the world that gays are perfect.

>>94037866
>Ehryel
She's a whole bag of crazy lesbian teacher/student sex with great /h/ art. Remember the first time I found the porn she made, getting a little nostalgic over it.

>>94036590
I like Maggie and Alex on Supergirl, although that's mostly because Alex's actor is really fucking cute when she gets all excited and happy about her girlfriend. But more importantly they don't act like all lesbian relationships are pairs of flawless angels singing on clouds about how great pussy is. Maggie can be a bit of a shit person, and there's a bit of drama when it's revealed that she cheated on her last girlfriend.

>>94036590
Because a steady, stable relationship is boring to those on the outside. And with any other relationship, your audience will be wondering why the fuck they even stay in the relationship.

>>94036590
I think it's because you're gay anon.

>>94037972
yeah, i hear ya bro

magical ghey people gonna magical

>>94036590
Usually they find comfort in each other instead of strife, we prefer to see characters tested rather than unchanging.

Take Les Nombrils for example, sudden sexual shift is sudden though admittedly technically foreshadowed but interested and desired to see play out because it's so rife with complexities. The two people involved could likely find something between each other but not without first affecting their relationship with others and their identity.
The fact both people involved are so forward yet vulnerable with each other also helps pull us in.

I guess it helps they're easy on the eyes too, to be Punisher.

>>94037972
This

>>94036695
>what arouses, what is universal, what interests,
Oneechans
Bullying
Grinding on partner's leg while making out

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>Tfw no stories about a pure lesbian turning straight after developing a close relationship with a cute boy

>>94038309
Sounds boring.

>>94036590
Because when it comes to /co/ stuff, it's usually ham handedly shoved in.

>>94036605
Nah

>>94037801
You really think a subculture history is really going to have the breadth of media representation as pop culture? Don't deliberately misunderstand me, I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm saying that it hasn't done as much in the public sphere yet.

You're saying that oranges have many varieties, so they must necessarily be as prolific as every other fruit.

>>94038309
That doesn't sound very interesting

>>94038309
This is why no one likes bisexuals.

>>94038331
>>94038422
There would have to be some coercion aspect, like she is forced by her parents to hang out with him for some reason.

>>94037524
I didn't like it because I went in expecting porn and after 20 minutes I felt extremely cheated

>>94036855
>believing this

>>94038535
It's true. Lesbians have more orgasms than straight women.

>>94038500
That sounds even less interesting.

>>94038447
Well that's not true.

>>94038309
I don't know about "full lez" but this kind of things sometimes happen in anime due to how lots see gay as just a phase.

I would need to see a good example before I judge though

>>94038566
>Well that's not true.
No that's very true.

>>94038561
Alright fine then there's also farting. Jeez /co/

>>94038535
nah it checks out.

>>94038601
The people who hate bi are ass ravaged gay people who can't find anyone to date.

>>94036597
This.
The presence of the man makes the relationship interesting.

>>94038500
The reason the reverse works is because there's an element of taboo, or forbidden love. Maybe the parents are very conservative or it's set in a country where they could face criminal charges. The characters have a reason to try and repress their feelings for one another. No one gives a shit if a man and a woman fall in love. The only conflict would be the 'lesbian' character figuring out that she's attracted to this guy.

>>94036590
Westerners can't into yuri. They simply HAVE to shove in political commentary, or else they get accused of sexualizing women or of "Queerbaiting".

>>94038674
How? Straight romances tend to be boring as shit and always follow the same cookie cutter formula.

>>94038733
Yeah, but outside of niché manga publications, Japan can't into yuri either these days. All they do is yuri-bait. It's weird considering there are like 5 full on yaoi anime each season.

>>94038411
>You really think a subculture history is really going to have the breadth of media representation as pop culture?

ok, fair enough - you've demonstrated that lesbian lit isn't as pop-culture as i might argue, seeing as you completely missed my reference to Jeanette Winterson's book 'Oranges are not the Only Fruit'
(it was really popular back in the 80s, getting adapted for television by the BBC etc)

so i guess you've proved the your point... it's just, well... /co/mics are exactly 'mainstream' are they?

>>94038698
>No one gives a shit if a man and a woman fall in love.
She could be part of a lesbian social circle who she feels would shun her if she stopped being gold star. Or she could have a girlfriend even. But taboo is a mental construct, so if you write the girl well and portray her as disliking men and wanting nothing to do with fucking them then when she finally accepts a dong it's taboo in her mind and it's taboo in the reader's mind because we're invested in the character and her value system.

>>94038748
>Implying yuri also doesn't have it's own formula

>>94036590
As discussed, they're safe and make for good "Look how progressive we are" bait. Their relationship is pretty surface level however and they rarely dive deeper into the aspects outside of "LOOK HOW OPPRESSED WE ARE"

To get a solid dramatic relationship, you need tension and issues. "Dad doesn't like my girlfriend," "My girlfriend is clingy sometimes, but I love her," "We're very different people and the honeymoon is done, what now?" etc.

/co/ media tends to ignore the "relationship" part of lesbian relationships and just focus on girls liking girls.

>>94038841
I'm still not sure you could make an interesting narrative around it. The stakes are too low.

>>94038646
No everyone hates them. Straight, gay, and the other freaks out there.

>>94038748
Because men are interesting and women are not.

>>94038808
i probably would not have got that even if i read it

>>94036590
I'm just going to second the general sentiment of women/lesbians being boring. I haven't seen much of them around in the media but usually it's either "oh no this is so forbidden!" tier shit, SJW crap at an attempt to repel fetishization or they're just doing homely and boring shit together. Straight/gay stuff is vastly superior.

By the way, what would you guys say is the lesbian equivalent of Apollo and Midnighter?

>>94036605
This. If you still think girls making out and doing other shit with each other is the hottest thing ever chances are you're 12.

>>94038447
Hey man don't blame it on us. Anon's a moeblob, SoL loving weeb with the personality of wet bread before he's a bisexual.

>>94039040
i'm also thinking that maybe the trans-atlantic divide sees an awful lot more homosexual literature here in europe than in america

honestly, the bookshops are full of the stuff, with awards and prizes every year for ghey lit and film

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I enjoy secondary relationships that can also just be interpreted as girls just hanging casually. If they want to be interpreted in a more intimate relationship by fans, that's fine.

Also, I feel a little strange reading material with central lesbian pairings written by straight men. cough cough Korra/Asami. I'm probably wrong and other people helped them out in writing the comic, but the preview pages of recent seemed rather groan-inducing.

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>>94038309
How about a story about a couple who want to have a baby, but can't afford the fertility clinic stuff so one of them asks her male friend to knock up her (bisexual) wife. But the biwife doesn't want to sleep with someone else because it makes her feel unfaithful, so they have to make it a threesome to make her more comfortable with the situation. They have trouble conceiving and have to have sex over and over and over and over. Eventually the lesbian starts to realize that she's developing feelings for her male friend and tensions mount until things break down between her and her wife and she goes running into the man's arms, and she has sex with him for the first real time. After the sad music emotional montage part that happens in the third act of every chick flick she goes to her wife and they begin trying to out their issues, although she keeps having sex with the man a secret. When things are beginning to get back to normal and they've put having a child on the backburner the protagonist leswife goes back to her friend that she's been avoiding at the behest of her wife with the shocking news that she's pregnant from their night together and doesn't know how to deal with this in the current state of their relationship. Now the three have to try and make things work while balancing varying amounts of hate, lust, and desire for their child to have a good family.
Also it would be erotica so you can see all the good stuff.

>>94037972
>the obvious intent is to prove to the world that gays are perfect.

It's funny how this has become such a prevalent thing in the media when people seem to love LGBT characters that are flawed and messed up and genuinely interesting a shitload more than they like the perfect vanilla characters. That's something that applies to all characters and the tumblr demographic keeps fucking this up for everybody.

>>94036873
>mixing up the influences of the superego and the id this critically
>blindly worshipping what you assume are base instincts as if we didnt evolve higher order brain functions just as "naturally" as everything else

>>94036873
It literally isn't unnatural. By definition.
>to how wrong it would make them feel
That isn't accurate though.

>>94036590

Point to a any kind of romantic relationship in anything that isn't teeth-shatteringly tedious to watch...

If I wanted to watch a bunch of overdramatic assholes mindlessly pine after one another I'd go ahead and watch a Soap Opera...

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Most people who write about lesbian relationships just aren't very good writers. They don't come up with interesting with a interesting story/characters and when they do it tends to be poorly executed or have some other problems.

>>94036873
Supposedly nearly 20% of women in the US have had sex with other women/claim to be bisexual.

>>94039563
Romantic subplots as a whole in comics and cartoons are usually pretty banal, lame and detract from the plot but if we're allowed to include /tv/ stuff I'd have to bring up Beecher and Keller's relationship in Oz.

>>94038393
Yah

Alright, /co/, give me some examples of GOOD lesbian couples in fiction. Can be any media.

>>94039251
Depends on the straight man writing it for me. Rucka usually writes interesting/believable lesbians. But yeah, Korrasami and some other pairings you can just feel how forced it is.

>>94036814

This. There are no perfect relationships.

>>94039840
Yuru Yuri

>>94038500

You just want to see orientation play porn.

>>94038512
>Expectations
Blame that on whomever sold it to you. And no, "but there's T&A on the cover" is not a valid excuse, unless you've literally never purchased a comic before.

Most /co/ relationships are boring as fuck, in fact, I cannot think of one from recent times that isn't played out as fuck or just plain boring.

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>>94037569
>that video
Do people really care about imaginary relationships of filled-in lines that much?

>>94040507
Do you not know where you are right now?

>>94040507
people watch reaction videos for the pronounced expressions, which I assume are exaggerated for entertainment

>>94036590
Because the writers are incapable of writing women like real human beings.

They are either perfect mary-sues or villanous sluts. There is no in between.

>>94036590
Because they aren't girls (male)

>>94040539
I understand relating to characters and liking/caring about them. I just really don't get people obsessed with shipping and literally screaming and crying because two drawings held hands.

>>94040928
>villanous sluts
What more could anyone need?

>>94040928

>They are either perfect mary-sues or villanous sluts. There is no in between.

Madonna/Whore Complex is a thing for a reason, anon.

>>94036759
because most of them are just bait

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>>94037569

>>94037016
This

>>94039639
>Gunjou
>that part where the chick drowns on the bathtub
I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO MAD!
How can you have a family that is rich and loves you, a hot girlfriend that wants to put a ring on it, a stable and fulfilling career with friends that care about you and cute doggos and give all that up for a chick you already gave a shit ton of money to?
She really is a Dumb Lesbian.

>>94038733
like the other anon already said, japan baits alot too. they do give you tastier bait though so there's that at least.

>>94038512
This

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>>94039840

>>94038309
Didn't James Bond fuck a lesbian straight once?

>>94039251
>Buying from IKEA

>>94037569
at least seeing them being blueballed on the kiss was kind of entertaining.

>>94038925
>The stakes are too low.
Not him but there are a lot of great stores with low stakes or you could make the romance a side plot like most stories do

>>94041027
You would think these supposedly educated writers would know about that and not push it at every opportunity then.

>>94041378
>Didn't James Bond fuck a lesbian straight once?
Not sure we should use Dickus Ex Machina as the example that proves the rule, but sure.

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>>94039302

>>94039840
The main couple of Tamen De Gushi and Kase-san
Personal opinion of course, but I really like them.

>>94041378

>Didn't James Bond fuck a lesbian straight once?

In the books.

The movie made it more ambiguous.

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Because in /co/ just by being lesbians they got tons of brownie points so they don't have to even try as long as provide some shipping and shock factor.

Meanwhile in /a/ yuri is as common as you can get, so you have to try to give the relationship some substance.

The writers are not brave enough to give the lesbian couples actual conflict and problems so they write them like the perfect couple.

>>94039840
madoka and homura

>>94038801
I know that /pol/ anime about horse pussy outright has lesbians that call themselves lesbians and everyone acknowledges it, and has literal lizard people Jews who control the world.

>>94039926
Rucka writes the same 5 characters. Your shit taste is showing you Steven King loving asshole

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>>94036590
90% of any /co/ relationships are boring, hell most relationships in anything are boring so stop picking in the lesbians you shit

>>94036590
most female characters are underdeveloped.

>>94041063
>Believing this.
Maybe part of the female population really is that way, but judging from my own home life, my father is a complete waste of oxygen due to how badly he abuses my mother and my sisters. If you believe women are the worst, it's because you've never had an abuser for a father.

>>94036590
Remember that boys don't self insert as a female lesbian, that's why hetero relationship and male characters are really well build up.

>>94036597
>>94036605
>>94036655
Well which one is it?

>>94043021
what does your dad being abusive have to do with women being all of these things

>insecure, weak, liars, manipulative and a long etc.

Also more women abuse their children and spouses than man do

>>94043095
so part of the dislike is that they can't self insert because both partners are female? So you think the media should cater to men by introducing more male homosexual relationships?

I've always thought lesbians were the more acceptable of gay relationships in media/public because straight men are less prissy about a relationship that doesn't emasculate them.

>>94040237
>sold it to me
I read it for free on a pornsite. That's why I thought there would be porn.

>you've literally never purchased a comic before
I've never purchased a comic in my life

>>94043786
Imo yes, because its like a fantasy (everyone knows that irl hot ass girls don't fall in love for nerdy otaku boys).

>>94037972
The characters in Steven Universe are pretty much universally gay but pretty much none of them are perfect and their flaws are often the focus of episodes (especially Pearl).

But it's still somehow an agenda thing because they exist I guess?

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>>94036590
>Well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

I think it's safe to say that many people don't find them boring.

However, most couples and romances in fiction are boring. I think it's just because being in a happy functional couple is great, but watching it is not interesting.

So any couple that is interesting and has conflict and problems is fucked up...pic related. The West is a little more reluctant to show a fucked up LGBT couple so one with interesting conflict.

However, straight or gay, people are usually bored by the canon couple. Usually the fan art and fanfic isn't about a couple that's together in the canon and usually, fans find the canon couple boring and complain about their scenes. I think it's just not a very interesting topic to see two people happily romantically together really.

>>94036590

1) Lesbian relationships, especially in modern Marvel, are portrayed as these perfect little relationships where everything goes right because creators are afraid to look homophobic by portraying them just as dysfunctional as heterosexual relationships can be.

2) The relationships often feel forced and not organic. Remember that Nick show As Told By Ginger? Had you told me Coutney and Ginger would end up lesbians by the end of that shit I would have believed you, because there was build up for it over the entire series.
Most modern lesbo relationships in /co/ material amounts to
>I'm straight!
>Wait maybe I'm not.
>Okay I guess I'm a lesbian.
>Fuck Donald Trump and fuck White males.

Which brings me to
3)Lesbians in modern stories are less about portraying two people who love eachother snd more about pushing an agenda. Readers know this and thus can't be assed to care, sucking out their engagement before it even began.

>>94039251
That pseudo-Swedish cracks me up.

They feel the need to make them 'safe'.

Lesbians are safe gay, since it's two women.

>>94038309
There are
I actually remember some movie about a lesbian couple that end up getting into a love triangle with some guy and it played the whole thing for drama

>>94039302
It already exists it was called "the kids are alright"

>>94036597
Does that mean romance between men is infinitely superior?

>>94040928
That's not remotely true, hell even the stereotypical female characters people complain about number in the hundreds, while I agree many female characters are written poorly the is also a lot of variety, even more so than for male characters

>>94037016
I am somewhat confused are you trying to say that women are just
>>insecure, weak, liars, manipulative and a long etc

Or are you saying that eastern where western and eastern culture clash is that in western media women are allowed to be
>>insecure, weak, liars, manipulative and a long etc

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>>94046615
yes

>>94046615
Yes

>>94038309
I actually saw a webcomic with this concept on The Duck Webcomics.

So it was nothing interesting and had bad art.

>>94046815
Oh shit im sorry.

>>94040038
Disgusting.

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>>94036590
I'm literally intrigued and in awe of both of them, etc.

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>>94047328
Sorry for what our daddy taught us not to be ashamed of our dicks

>>94036590
writers think that's enough to carry a character
as if any ONE trait could carry a character

Because they're doing it for pc points. Anything done like that is forced and shitty.

It's why we never have any really good minority male leads either.

>>94036814
This.

Pretty much all LGBT or minority representations have this problem. They can't make them a villain or too flawed either, so they end up bland.

>>94048445
>not shitposting with the superior Ray Harley

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>>94039840
Asellus & White Rose from SaGa Frontier
Bayonetta & Jeanne from Bayonetta
Kei & Yuri from Dirty Pair
Harley Quinn & Poison Ivy (Paul Dini Batman)
Rally & Minimay from Gunsmith Cats
Cassandra Cain & Stephanie Brown from Batman
Power Girl & Terra from Power Girl

to name a few

>>94037524
I wouldn't really consider them to be lesbians. They're just bisexual sex-friends (maybe even hetero-romantic iirc). I don't really have a problem with it. I liked most of it. the art is good. However, the "witty" dialogue is unnatural, and reads like a reddit comment section.

I see this sort of thing, very realistic BDSM with safe-words, condoms, etc., all the time in Western BDSM comics. Almost never in Japanese stuff. The Japanese way makes more sense. Why would you go out of your way to represent explicit depictions of consent in a piece of fantasy targeting people who's kink is around non-consent?

>>94045100
I'd rather have a "boring" Western couple than the garbage couple people praise so much from Madoka. Himura is just an fucking awful character.

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>>94052624
>Himura is just an fucking awful character.

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>>94038309
conversion therapy is an under explored fetish.

>>94046505
>The Kids are All Right
that's the movie that you're probably thinking of
>Chasing Amy
bisexual who stopped dating men, started identifying as a lesbian, gets into a relationship with a man (Ben Afflec iirc).

Lesbians hate these sorts of movies, and are very vocal about it, going out of their way to brigade them with bad reviews even without watching them. There's a lot of insecurity about the "hasbian" phenomenon. It's pretty common for lifelong lesbians to start craving men sexually after becoming pregnant, giving birth, or going through menopause (it's all linked to hormones i guess). There's also insecurity about vast numbers of lesbians watching gay male porn. They rationalize this by saying that lesbian porn is fake/sexist/exploitative, and pretending that lesbian porn made of/by/for lesbians doesn't exist, or that every lesbian with a smart phone doesn't have a porn production and distribution device more powerful than anything from Boogie Nights in her pocket or purse.

>>94053061
lewd

>>94036597
faggot right here

>>94052575
>sex-friends
Nigga they are confirmed to marry down the line

>>94053061
it's why lesbians get so mad at bisexuals

>>94055111
It's stupid because some kind of bisexuality is just pretty damn common but women and men just want to make excuses on a case by case basis, for men usually claiming to be totally straight even if they're attracted to other men and for women claiming to be 100% lesbian even if they're sometimes attracted to men. What is so goddamn awful about being bisexual, even if it's just a little bit?

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>>94036590
If we're going to talk about the "Yuri" genre than yeah, there's lots of boring, snooze inducing stuff out there. But for every 15-20 lousy yuri/lesbian comics/manga, there's at least a decent/good one.

I don't know about western lesbian comics but yuri manga does have some noteworthy titles going for it, primarily "Girlfriends," "Mercielago," "Bloom into You," "Octave", and "Yuzumori-san." I'm sure there might be others I forgot to mention but these are primarily the ones people will be currently talking about. "Girlfriends" has a solid starter's story about two girls who struggle to get together, "Mercielago" has a crazy death role lesbian inmate who kills for the government and fucks any girl with tits she sees, "Bloom into You" deconstructs the yuri genre by not having the main girl(who is average looking instead of bishoujo) refuse the advances of the typical student class president, "Octave" pretty much entails the story of a closeted lesbian who struggles to get of the closet till she meets the women she likes, and "Yuzumori-san" entails a high school girl who falls in love with an elementary school girl at first side and its both disturbing and humorous.

>>94036590
Because they show the relationship as a perfect thing, that needs no working on and with no big issues. Like Jim and Pam after the wedding in the office.

>>94036590
Because they're they're for the sake of diversity and not to tickle our dicks like they SHOULD be.

>>94037016
Who hurt you?

>>94056050
>Mercielago
what that

>>94057569
Sounds about right.

>>94036771
>each other

like, at the same time?

Snotgirl's pretty fun

>>94038841
You're describing the plot of the movie Chasing Amy.

>>94036590
They play too safe and don't let them just act like normal people. They have to keep reminding us how much in love they are and how perfect they are. They're afraid to try different dynamics in the relationship.

>>94055869
bisexual men are legitimately rare. i'm not even talking about "self identify as bisexual". they measure this sort of thing by showing men gay or straight pornography and measuring blood-flow to the penis. Gay men are much more common than bisexual men. Bisexual women are much less rare, and some stats I've seen put 50/50 bisexual women at more common than lesbians.

>>94036590
Bad setup as 7/10 times the pairing happens strictly for diversity points. This is compounded by the writers not knowing how to portray gay folk in an interesting manner outside of flamboyant stereotypes.

>>94036590
>why are most /co/ lesbian relationships just so....... boring?
>posts /a/ lesbian relationship that's actually really well-written
Am I on crazy pills? Your point still stands since gaijin can't write interesting dykes, but who the fuck do you think that fanart is depicting?

>>94039840
Lrya and Sweetie Drops

>>94060883
Really I've met a few more than I have bisexual women. who mostly pretend to be bi just because their boyfriends like it.

>>94038674
We get it Anon. You don't have to "penisfoot" around the issue.

>>94061162
this feels like they just don't want you to hit on them

>>94061152
Lyra isn't gay you bastard. They're just friends. Kill yourself.

>>94061071
this feels creepy

>>94061188
it's OK, her intentions are pure.

>>94038309
Make the lesbian's two moms one of those crazy hyper-progressive couples who force their politics on their kids and maybe there's enough drama to make it work. Maybe approach it as a commentary on the rampant prejudice that pervades the LBGT+ community when the lesbian is labled a gay-traitor or brainwashed.

>>94061197
unless she's thinking of buying underwear as a gift, i doubt it

>>94061176
I'm gay. Most of my info comes from my chick friend who's bi and never gets anywhere with most women she hits on unless their boyfriends want to see some lesbian action. She's pretty cute.

>>94061181
>Believing Jim's lies

>>94061216
this feels like they just don't want her to hit on them

>>94060883
>they measure this sort of thing by showing men gay or straight pornography and measuring blood-flow to the penis.
I wonder how accurate this methodology is though.

>>94061236
It's usually them tell her they don't want any chick to mack on them they just did it because guys find it hot. But she's kind of a slut so she moves on pretty fast.

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>>94037866
Simone and Julie from Dofus.
Where the authors didn't go LOOK, LESBIANS! AREN'T WE PROGRESSIVE.
And as a result, nobody gave a fuck despite the fact that the series is marketed to 7-12 yo, and everyone enjoyed the sweet romance.

>>94038309
There was an autobiographical webcomic about a similar story.

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>>94056050
>>94059799
>what that
Murcielago is an over-the-top action manga about a psychotic lesbian serial killer who is hired by the Japanese government to execute even crazier killers. It's full of tongue-in-cheek maximum edge and the main character is constantly fucking ladies and adding to her harem

I love it

overrated, more like.

oo wee, two girls kissed. big whoop.

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>>94038748
Because women don't like being active. They're entirely social creatures. There definition of interesting is talking to all their girlfriends and slide of life comedy shows. Men, on the other hand, prefer an active life style. They like to go out to the gym and lift, go to the shooting range to shoot guns, hunt wild animals, etc. Get two women who are boring together and you just have twice the boring.

>>94036590
There's rarely any surprise or danger, and that's what makes relationships exciting. Lesbian pairs are usually shown as predictable,safe, and comfortable. Aka boring.

>>94037801
>'lesbian bed-death'
>high rates of domestic violence and suicide
Really? I haven't seen anything conclusive about this stuff.

>>94061199
>Maybe approach it as a commentary on the rampant prejudice that pervades the LBGT+ community
>a niche circumstance within a niche group
>worth calling attention to as a "rampant" problem
Are you shit stirring /pol/ or a salty gay?

>>94061643
Sounds fucking godly. Thanks for the recc.

>>94061948
>/pol/ boogeymen
aaaaaaaand opinion discarded.

>>94061998
>i-it's not like it's summer or anything!
hahahaha

>>94062076
I know it's summer. You're here after all, summerfag.

>>94036590
Because most of comics and cartoons are not about the sexual relations. So all the pairings there, no matter if hetero or homo, are just for stupid <<OH MY, THEY ARE JUST LIKE REAL HUMANS>> effect.

>>94036590
They aren't cute, like /a/ ones. No one does good /co/ romance anymore.

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>>94036590
Because relationship porn with mass appeal is beyond the skill of most western writers.

>>94038411
That shouldn't a barrier. Yuri was niche. Now it's a potential b&b to sell DVDs of any anime. The problem is still bad writing.

>>94036590
lesbians are hot tho
and if my religion is right i want to come back as one

>>94062514
Yuri is a novelty.
Once babes boning down in something that isn't porn stops being the in-thing, it'll go right back down to the bottom shelf. Anime will never do anything noteworthy with it because romance needs interesting characters, something the Japanese are fucking incapable of writing.

>>94038512
Stop reading reviews.

>>94036590
Because most girls are boring, at least to guys, their idea of being interesting is just participating in or being around drama.

>>94042311
The one about centaurs? I thought that was just a monmusume cash-in.

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>>94052551
>Rally & Minimay from Gunsmith Cats
There's not the slightest hint of sexual tension. They both crush on boys. Your goggles are too thick.

>>94041366
This relationship is good writing because it's so unhealthy. It speaks to my experience despite being about magic and conspiracies.

>>94052624
They weren't even a couple in the first one. It was your classic doomed and unrequited yuri subplot. A lesbian timelord has it bad for a little straight girl, and is too weak to even save her, let alone savescum into her pants.

>>94056050
>primarily
>Mercielago
Lesbian Hellsing is extremely niche, and not noteworthy,

>>94042311
>literal lizard people Jews
They're not jews. They don't care about money.

>>94041897
what is on the whiteboard, I can't understand a shit.

>>94062555
Yuri anime has been a thing for at least over a decade, and yuri in general has recently surged in popularity.

>Anime will never do anything noteworthy with it because romance needs interesting characters, something the Japanese are fucking incapable of writing.
I'm sure everyone in Japan cares deeply about your hot opinions.

>>94036590
Give examples, I legitimately can't think of any.

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>>94036855
bisexual woman here.

This is true to some degree, but just like with guys, there are plenty of bad/selfish female lovers as well.

I rank it like this;
Man with good stamina/recovery time/goes down on me > good woman > bad woman > man with little stamina/recovery time/doesn't go down on me.

Also, I think Korrasami's kind of lame but I masturbate to it a lot anyway.

>>94036590
>>94063046
Relationships that is, boring or otherwise.

>>94041448
Especially since Peej is rich.

>>94036590
Because men don't know how to write women and women don't realize that even other women want to see sexy things sometimes.

>>94056050
This manga is gold

>>94041845
>Poison Ivy
>vegan
whew, missed the fucking point by kilometres.
If something, then Poison Ivy would only eat meat, because eating something else would require hurting plants.

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>>94062975
what? Never heard of HIGHER-ORDER SUGAWARA OPERATORS FOR AFFINE LIE ALGEBRAS by Goodman and Wallach? Me neither.

I'm a lesbian and I find 99% of lesbian romances/characters in fiction super boring. It's weird because I think gay men and gay relationships in media are much more interesting and better written a lot of the time. Why is that?

Is it because male characters in general tend to be better written? Is it because I find people different than me more interesting in fiction? Is it the ''''''''internalized misogyny'''''''? I just don't know man.

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>>94061589
On the other hand, only France can get away with explicit sexual content marketed for children.

>>94037866
There's no such thing as western yuri.

Because you don't ship it. You don't agree with it. This is why you find lesbians uninteresting. There's nothing any writer can do to make you find a lesbian relationship interesting if you don't like the idea of lesbians in the first place.

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>>94036590
There is a whole lot of friction but they never go in depth.

>>94064349
I used to think that about homos, until I watched Boku no Pico.

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>>94064439
And if they do plumb the depths, it's only tongue in cheek. They won't get their hands dirty.

>>94036597
This. They have their looks and work with that never having to build a personality beyond the superficial. Men are the ones out there working and experimenting. They do the interesting shit.

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Why are gay (male) relationships so much better?

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>>94064510
The plot is hardly ever rigid and robust, really the story always just climaxes into to a sloppy inconsistent mess.

>>94064775
Because male characters are more interesting than female characters. Men are also more interesting than women in general.

because its written by men for other men to jack off to 90 percent of the time.

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>>94064804
And yet somehow it always leaves you wanting more. It's more immediately gratifying if it builds on the work in some other medium, but people seem to think that using machines that way cheapens the experience.

>>94064996
>Because male characters are more interesting than female characters.
I don't find them as interesting as female characters.

>>94037302
ok, tumblr

>>94065098
I'm talking about interesting personality wise, not that you find them interesting because you want to stick your dick in them.

/co/ female characters in general are mostly garbage and very boring. Yeah they're hot (at least the ones that haven't been put into burkas because of SJW outrage), but that's all that they got going for them. The fact that very, very few female characters can carry their own solos tells you all you need to know.

>>94064996
Someone you can't relate to will always be more boring than someone you can relate to.

>>94065198
I can't relate to John Constantine, but his dastardly adventures sure are engaging.

>>94065198
That doesn't explain why women also get really into male characters though. Even tumblr who's practically a feminist haven obsesses over media that's really male dominated. They love shit like Supernatural, MCU, Sherlock etc. which are all sausagefests.

>ctrl f
>no "phylla" or "moondragon"
shame on you, /co/

>>94064775
I can't think of a single gay male relationship in a comic or cartoon, let alone a good one.

>>94063882
Maybe she just needs water and sunlight.

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>>94065273
/co/ has lost it's way.

>>94065296
Because you're a casual that doesn't read comics.

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>>94065350
You know that /co/ isn't for comics anymore. Don't be a fag.

>>94065350
Well, I sure didn't go out of my way to read comics about homosexual men, you got me there.

>>94064996
>this response again
I know faggot, we get it, you are not interested in girls. Stop being so fucking stereotypical.

>>94065374
My bad, I forgot this place is /tv/-lite now.

>>94065221
It's the possibility of doing that shit that interests you, so you can still relate.

>>94065258
Women are used to submitting to guys and what guys want. Also tumblr not a good example because they're idiots and/or teenagers.

>>94065159
I didn't say anything about wanting to stick my dick in anything. And I thought we were talking about characters in general.

>>94065401
Whatever you say casual. The fact that you don't even know one homosexual /co/ character (not enjoy one, know one) is proof that you're probably a /tv/shitter that came here in 2016 to have epic shitpost battles about BvS vs Civil War.

>>94065443
I think anon is saying if you wanna fuck it = good interesting character

>>94065436
To raping and killing men and women with magical powers by tricking demons? Not really.

>>94065510
if you don't want to fuck it then it can't be THAT interesting

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>>94065296

>>94065449
Well, I do know some. Like Iceman or Wolverine's cringy son or Wanda's son. I just can't think of any gay romance story that is prominently featured in any mainstream cartoon or comic and the fact that you just keep replying with passive aggressive bitching about how much of a casual I am pretty much proves that you don't either.

>>94065559
Oh I've read that when someone storytimed it a while ago, but does that count as a relationship to you? Let alone an interesting one? I guess homosexual men have really low standards when it comes to this sort of thing.

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>>94065559
Beautiful Darkness was much better. That one really was boring.

>>94061824
It's just pol, ignore it.

>>94037016
Objection. In Japan, the men are frequently indistinguishable from the girls, and have been both in literature and reality since before the Edo era.

>>94037621
My standards are pretty low. I'd settle for good characters that are also lesbian, even if their relationships are garbage. Whats the leader here? Maybe Gail Simone on a good day?

>>94065753
>ignore facts, statistics and studies, it's just /pol/

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I've seen it referenced but haven't found it in the thread.
Shame on you /co/.

>>94036597
>>94036605
>>94036642
>>94036655
Samefag

Lesbians aren't real, and women are incapable of love, which is why all lesbian "relationships" are just two women who don't love each other and aren't attracted to each other choosing to be miserable together.

That's why lesbians don't have sex and beat the shit out of each other at a ridiculously high rate compared to any other type of couple.

True love only exists in gay male relationships

>>94065943
No, the facts and statistics show that there isn't significantly more lesbian domestic violence than that between straight couples. We're just ignoring /pol/.

>>94038447
And here I thought it was bigotry, territoriality, and the caste system that's modern intersectionality.

>>94038808
I was actually given that book by a someone 35 years older than me, who probably wanted to get in my pants. She's doing jail time on a domestic violence charge.

>>94045081
SU is post gay.

>>94061824
Hookup culture with lesbians is much weaker than gay men, or heterosexuals. There's no real lesbian equivalent of the circuit party network, or cruising bathrooms. This is easily documentable, but since this is /co/ and we're way off topic, 90 seconds with Grindr will show that.

Instead of hookups, lesbians go much more readily into cohabitation. Once you are cohabitating, there's a lot more financial and emotional ties that that can't be unwound quickly. By comparison, some gay dude has a tiff with a sack of santorum, they move to the next stall over.

Bi women are even higher on the COPS special than lesbians, although causes are not well explored.

The suicide rate thing is tricker, because of the differences in how men and women commit suicide and report suicide, and their willingness to get treatment. There's the self reporting rate, the rate at which people get treated, the rate that people "succeed". Also, the stats here are weaker, and not as cross culturally applicable. Stats comparing gays to lesbians is also tricky because of the whole AIDS thing completely fucking up any stats in the 80s and 90's. So, yes, the lesbian suicide rates are higher, but exactly what that MEANS isn't as clear cut.

>>94065753
>>94065943
Lesbian researchers doing peer reviewed work on lesbians count as /pol/? We've gone full syndrome here.

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>>94065296
They do exist, this one (1997-08-21) should be well known considering the furore it caused: For Better or For Worse's Lawrence and his partner Ben
>>94065622
yes, there are all kinds of relationships

>>94066089
She's being sarcastic right

>>94063998
I think it is more exciting to root for two characters to be together rather than to actually see together, it's why most romance movies show how two people meet, that's just the good part. On that level I can't think of any straight couples in fiction I find compelling either.

You're right though, gay male relationships do seem to be more interesting in media, people show them with ups and downs, they get in fights and then they make up. Maybe not in /co/ but in TV shows. I think it's because straight people think it's novel or even sort of funny to see two guys having the same tiffs as them, to the point that it's almost become a trope. But if it were two girls they'd think it enforced negative stereotypes about how women don't get along or we're petty etc.

>>94063998
>>94066797
It's because men are just better people than women and therefore better characters.

>>94066564
No, that's from 'America'. A book about an interdimensional-portal creating faux latina lesbian from an all girl lesbian utopia universe (created by an alternate universe wiccan to balance out creating his own personal gay beefcake utopia world) written by a (maybe trans, s/he's not clear in any interviews) lesbian lantix who's only writing credit before was a kindle hardcore porn lesbian book.
Not kidding.

The problem is that there is a steadily decreasing pool of writers in various forms of media that cant write a healthy relationship worth a damn, straight or gay.

>>94067820
Is the porn book good enough to fap to?

>>94068055
because you can't write a healthy relationship and make interesting and make it a focus all at the same time

good storytelling requires conflict, so if you're telling a story a about a relationship, it has to either be unhappy or be the prize

>>94066209
Yup, this sure is /co/ alright.

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>>94066193

>>94039840
Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy when they're being written by Paul Dini

>>94065296

>what is Mission Hill

>>94046615
obviously

>>94069152
What are some good gay male romances in /co/ stuff?

>>94037302
is this bait?

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>>94036590
I don't know what you're watching, but if you expecting good lesbian relationships in a fucking cartoons (western ones especially) or comics then you're just doing it wrong. Pick a good book or pick a good film, and no, not an animated film. An actual fucking film with real people.

there are some good weebshit with lesbians, but that's like saying "not every anime is harem bullshit, look at these titles. Oh, you want? Well too bad faggot"

Don't limit yourself with only one media faggot, that's just bad.

>>94050213
Especially if it's not a personality trait. And sexuality is not a personality trait. Just read "Kim Reaper".

>>94042167
Oh, you mean the one where a 9th grader develops an obsessive crush on her classmate that borders on a stalker obsession? And then has said 9th grade stalker become Satan?

And the girl that she crushes on is pretty much oblivious to all of this forever?

>>94042311
The Hasbro show has world-dominating Lizard Jews? When did that happen?

>>94056050
Bloom into You is good shit

>>94068189

Healthy in the sense that they actually act like people who care for each other and know each other, have actual chemistry and not just good looking people that happen to sleep together.

See JMS' Peter and MJ, or The Dibneys or Lois and Clark before 52. As for the 'happy couples are boring' excuse, you can have drama in interesting ways without resorting to the same tired shut that soap operas have been running into the ground. Make problems unique to their relationship, etc.

>>94071187

Let me also add that one of my favorite gay couple is Gus and Wally from Mission Hill. It's like every old married couple I've known and being gay is only one part of their relationship, not the entire focus. They're fully formed characters and it's entertaining watching them bounce off each other.

That's why it works better than the lazier examples where being gay is all that the writer focuses on instead of fleshing them out.

Gee, it sure feels faggy around here

>>94071879
I'm sure you're an expert on what it's like to be faggy.

>>94072038
My boy, sucking cock is what all true faggots strive for

>>94072310
I wonder what /pol/ is up to.