Today I will remind them.

Shitty as both Civil War and Secret Empire are, I do love that one "fuck you" moment Cap gives Sally because of this.

>>93996720
None of that shit is America, what.

>>93996720
>Do you know what [insert fad here] is?
House of ideas!

>>93996720
What a cunt

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>>93996761
this

>>93996720
A perfect example of a decent idea with a horrible execution.

Want to show Cap's out of touch with modern America? Why the FUCK do the Simpsons, Myspace and Youtube memes matter for that? They're not nearly as important as actual fucking issues affecting the country.

The whole event was retarded so the message wouldn't have worked either way, but whatever.

>>93996761
Well, Secret Empire is not all that bad, but i feel like the ending will be shit though.

Knowing the "future" makes it less of a surprise/twist/asspull if Miles kills Cap, but it will be disapointing if it simply ends the Hydra takeover

>>93996720

I love how Jenkins tried to save face afterward by going "b-b-but you were SUPPOSED to disagree with her!"

Reminds me of that time a few months ago with the whole Catwoman-kills-200-people nonsense when Tom King was like "you're SUPPOSED to disagree with my Catwoman characterization" and then he audibled an extra issue in order to make Holly the killer instead of her.

>>93997197
Redpilled as fuck.

>>93997330
>implying that people who think like Sally didn't vote for Trump

>>93997342
Make up your fucking mind. Either the people that voted for Trump are precisely the kind of people that would fall in line behind a blond-haired, blue-eyed superman in a flag costume; or they aren't. You can't have it both ways.

>>93997400
>a poorly made skinsuit worn by hundreds of frogs
>superman
jesus trumpism really is a cult

>>93997496
He means Steve

>>93996833
Best thing is that all the anti-Hydracap people thought this was talking about them.

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>>93997121
That is a fucking LIE.

That was EXACTLY what HE felt & Sally was his mouthpiece.

>>93996720

I really like that sentiment though? It's basically the same as that one Red Skull speech people keep posting, except it's much worse because it's coming from an Ordinary American who's so far up her own ass she doesn't really realize she's painting the death of Cap's America.

>>93999863
Didn't exactly age well. When was the last time YOU used MySpace?

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>>93999863
Except Red Skull is actually correct, and she's just a vapid cunt who has a frivolous understanding of her own country.

>>93998257
lol nigga why you use demotivational poster meme

>>93996720
I love that most of the stuff mentioned has faded away

It's a reasonable statement. Everyone here is talking about how America is for freedom and justice and everyone just picking themselves up by their bootstraps! Except no nation is defined by these ambiguous abstract ideals. Do you honestly think the millions of people living in America stay in America because it's a nation where ideals hold true? No, it's cause in America you have access to reasonably fast internet, blue jeans, and you can engage in pop consumerism. Why do Chinese citizens hate their government? Sure, it's partially because they want some personal freedoms. But according to people I know, it's mostly because they want access to Facebook and western television.

The idea that entire fucking masses of land are defined by these abstractions is such an insanely naive way to think. Which makes sense for Cap to believe in as he was roughly a young adult when he got frozen but the woman has a really good point as well. Do you think Obama or Trump would have got their support if they didn't know how to reach their demographics through media channels? You might say Shillary was the one jiving on Twitter but Trump was on talk shows too.

>>93999947
>the bankers of wall street
>the politicians who legally have to be born citizens
>proceeds to blame immigrants in his next arc
k

>>94000052
>But according to people I know, it's mostly because they want access to Facebook and western television.
So, Freedom.
Way to blow yourself the fuck out.

>>94000101
They wouldn't care if they couldn't criticize the government if they had access to Facebook retard

>>94000090
I'm not sure how you've managed to live under a rock for the last decade, but look at what's happened to the West.

Between Merkel forcing the entire third world on EU member states, to illegal immigration (without integration) to the US being so high that it costs us $100,000,000,000 every year in benefits to illegals, and will be a majority next generation, he's not wrong about anything.

He was so right they hate to straw man him a page later.

>>93999947
Red Skull isn't right, he's just using shit that sounds good to dupe idiots like you into becoming extremists, like literally all extremist leaders do.
>Gosh I love my country
>Yeah me too
>GREAT, let's kill the jews
Same shit all the time.

>>94000190
You're right, it's not the people who caused the greatest global recession in modern history who are the real problem

It's immigrants

>>94000183
>I'm making shit up!
Okay?
Pretty sure we have access to Facebook, and can't stop shitting all over our government.

>>94000190
>this is the shit the right actually believes

>>94000223
What the fuck are you even talking about? I'm talking about the Chinese, they don't have access to facebook.

>>94000214

Who do you actually think benefits from massive third world immigration?

Who stands to lose from having an unsustainably exploding population, as opposed to a stablizing one?

Our economic models are predicated on the idea of "infinite growth", which is a physical impossibility. That requires a growing number of debt slaves and consumers. "the bankers" wouldn't be making ridiculous amounts of money under a stable population.

>>94000371
No no, you're right. It's not the people who caused the greatest global recession in modern history who are the real problem.

It's immigrants. I'm agreeing with you.

>>94000251
>They wouldn't care if they couldn't criticize the government if they had access to Facebook retard

>Chinese
>don't have facebook, wouldn't criticize the government if they just had access to Facebook

>Us
>Have access to Facebook, and can't stop criticizing our government.

I'm not sure what you're confused about, or why the hell they would somehow be fine with their government as long as they could log onto jewbook.

It's certainly not the case with every other single country that has access to Facebook.

>>94000430
What the fuck...? I have actually no clue what you are arguing. I'm saying most people's problems with the Chinese government do not stem from their inability to full and true free speech. That the ideal itself is not important to many Chinese. They just want the government to stop preventing them from having social media and certain blockbusters so they can have fun.

It's the same problem in South Korea. No one actually cares about the ministry of culture. They just want porn.

>>93996720
She is basically asking him, "Why aren't you more like Trump?"

>>94000213
>Gosh I love my country
>Yeah me too
>GREAT, let's kill the jews

It's funny, because another anon is saying "lol, don't blame immigrants, blame (((the bankers)))"

Exactly who do you people think (((the bankers))) are?

Occupy Wallstreet was practically identical to Hitler's motivations, only more politically correct, and ruined by retarded young Marxists.

>>94000506
Yeah, it's also evident even here in America. The left want to censor the right. The right want to censor the left. They don't really care about freedom of speech.

>>94000506
>They just want the government to stop preventing them from having social media and certain blockbusters so they can have fun.

Uh huh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Chinese_pro-democracy_protests

>>94000570
>jewish immigrants
oh so you have no problem with mexican farm hands who work below min wage jobs. Also what's up with your spacing man, this ain't Reddit.

>>94000596
I'm curious, when does the right ever censor the left?

All the violent confrontations I know of since, well, forever, have generally centered around leftists in universities violently attacking both moderate and right-wing speakers.

I can't actually think of any instance in the last decade where a bunch of conservative college students literally trashed their entire campus because some liberal was scheduled to speak there.

>>94000570
>Occupy Wallstreet was practically identical to Hitler's motivations
You need to stop assuming we've all read the same Breitbart articles as you.

>>94000570

You don't have to belong to a particular race or religion to work on Wall Street, you just have to be a douchebag.

>>94000538
well she turned out to be wrong and a complete fad-ist. so yeah

>>94000638
Less than 3% of illegal immigrants work in the agricultural sector, you racist.

>>94000570
So we let the non jewish bankers live? That sounds retarded

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>>94000665
>All the violent confrontations I know of since, well, forever, have generally centered around leftists in universities
>since, well, forever
>forever

>>94000665
>All the violent confrontations I know of since, well, forever, have generally centered around leftists in universities violently attacking both moderate and right-wing speakers.
Wow you're one whole year old? Those broken windows at UCLA must be so traumatic for you.

This thread is a showcase of how wildly a /pol/tard flails around when not surrounded by an echochamber

>>94000702
It's summer. We shouldn't be surprised at all the underageb& swarming the threads.

>>94000679
No, I was wrong in assuming you've actually read any history.
Exchange "The 1%" with "The Jews", and they're identical.

>>94000665
The right doesn't want to censor the left just delegitimize them by pretending only the extreme left retards exist, which I guess could be considered censoring the majority of the left.
You also can objectively claim the right of center dems censored the left of center dems with how little coverage Sanders got compared to Hillary on networks like CNN

>>94000237
Illegal Immigrants pay no taxes beside sales which is laughable in the end results. They send kids to public school who drain funding, lower scores, and lower standards for hiring teachers by forcing classes to be culturally inclusive to the kids who can barely speak English let alone their own language. Chinks are worse because of birth tourism and higher economic standings give them a smoke screen to take money from citizens who need aid. Then they push for amnesty and want to do away with our god given rights or are used by liberals who wish to.

>>94000702
Okay? Aside from some racist shit that happened before we were born, do you want me to list all the times violent leftist groups have violently censored speakers on campuses?

Can you provide a single example in the past 10 years of rightwing groups doing this?

I'm legitimately curious, because I can't recall a single time.

>>94000757
Are you saying Jeff Bezos is Jewish.
Do you legitimately believe Bill Gates is Jewish.
I bet you can't name Warren Buffett's religion.

>>94000798
>The right doesn't want to censor the left just delegitimize them by pretending only the extreme left retards exist

That's completely different from censorship. That is actually something that both sides do.

>You also can objectively claim the right of center dems censored the left of center dems with how little coverage Sanders got compared to Hillary on networks like CNN

Or you could just blame the DNC's (((media))) connections, at the behest of Clinton.

I know they just got whole new staff for the DNC after the ridiculous amounts of corruption last election cycle, but I hope it will be enough. I want both parties to be "not shit", instead of "the lesser of two evils".

>>93996980
It does accidentally work as her being a vapid, pompous, pop-culture-obsessed pseudo-intellectual, though. The country was and is full of those so it's quite topical.

>>94000804

Actually, undocumented immigrants make up the majority of income to Social Security and Welfare programs, because the money is put in but isn't taken out. They've paid over $12 billion into these programs EVERY YEAR.

>>94000865
Pretty sure they weren't at Wallstreet protesting Bill Gates, anon, since we're talking about "bankers ruining the economy".

>>94000909

And cost $113,000,000,000 in welfare and social services, hence the number $100 billion.

http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers

Are you seriously trying to defend illegal immigration? Even your average democrat is highly against illegal immigration.

>>94000823
You're being purposely ignorant by setting an impossible standard. Both wings take out their violence in different ways. While left leaning people go on violent protests and create malicious social settings right leaning people plan ahead and usually commit mass terrorist attacks of violence.

>>94000865
He is stating that Hitler took an out group, blamed them for all of his problems, and set about persecuting them. He argument is that the loosely defined Occupy Wall Street platform did the exact same thing with ((((The 1%))))

For clarity the stupid ((( ))) is sarcastic in intent.

>>94000823
Pulse nightclub shootings.

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>>94000909
>undocumented immigrants
>muh euphemisms
>the law doesn't matter when I don't want it to

>>94000926
You said the 1%. These are three richest American men in the world.

But sure. Let's talk about the richest bankers in America. Andrew Beal? The fucking Rockefellers? You think the fucking Rockefellers are Jewish?

>>94001002
You're right, Islamism is right-wing. When will the left be condemning it and fighting it?

>>94000973
I defend illegal immigration because capitalism needs a scum class

>>93996720
Hasn't Cap been unfrozen for like a decade at that point?

>>94000975
>You're being purposely ignorant by setting an impossible standard.

What?

How the hell is in the wake of constant leftist violence on university campuses, I ask for a single recent example of rightwing violence on campuses to censor leftist speakers? Hell, "the last 10 years" isn't even recent".

If it's "impossible" simply because you can't name a single instance, then maybe you should examine the type of people who share your beliefs.

>>94000973

>fairus.org

you're a clown

>>94001002
An Islamic terrorist? You mean the favorite pet of leftists?

>Do you watch blacked.com? Do you know what season Game of Thrones is on? Did you see Jimmy Kimmels latest Trump segment?

>>94001103

So refute it.

They don't even use their own data, they use government data collected at a state and federal level, so you can't even accuse them of measurement bias.

>>94001016

You might as well be calling copyright infringement "stealing" because that's what the term "Illegal Immigration" is. A buzzword created by people to inflame their emotions on a particular subject they have no knowledge on.

>>94001055
That's called "automation", not "illegals".

>>94000570
>Occupy Wallstreet was practically identical to Hitler's motivations, only more politically correct, and ruined by retarded young Marxists.

Not only did you make an incredibly moronic comparison but you name checked Hitler and Marx while doing so. Congrats

>>94001135
Not him, but they're illegal immigrants. It's the most accurate term for people who illegally entered the country, or illegally overstay their visit.

It's highly unlikely that they literally have no documentation as to who they are, and only serves to obscure the fact that they are in the country illegally, hence why they're called illegal immigrants.

But you already knew all this, so stop being a shitter with your SJW doublespeak.

>>93999863
Literally every president comes out of their presidency being four to eight years behind pop culture because the duties of being president made it impossible for them to keep up. Obama didn't know who Snooki was until The View told him. If Cap, Iron Man or pretty much any major superhero was real they also wouldn't know the pop culture of their day.

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>>94001127

I actually don't have to refute it. Getting into an argument with a fool only benefits the fool. FAIR is a well-known anti-immigration lobbying group and has been labeled as a hate group by several legal organizations. You might as well sent me to a page full of Chick Tracts and said "WELL! REFUTE THIS! IF YOU CAN'T I WIN!"

All you did was just let me know I don't have to care about your opinion because you're either a troll or an idiot.

>>94001153
That's why it was far more successful in Germany than it was in the U.S.

German National Socialists were not retarded Marxists, so over here, all we got was a bunch of unemployed college students bitching about whether black people were more oppressed than gay people, but wait, maybe women were the most oppressed, but no, because whoever said that was white, she goes to the back of the progressive stack.

Nazis obviously didn't have to deal with that idiotic bullshit, they only had to deal with the idiotic bullshit of thinking "all jews are bankers".

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>>94001244
>has been labeled as a hate group by several legal organizations
Like Pepe?

>>94001244

That's like saying "The Surgeon General is well known anti-cigarette advocate, therefore she can't be trusted to tell the truth about smoking."

No, they actually collected the data from each state, and the federal government, and compiled the totals, and came up with that number.

They did not use their own data, and you can go through their numbers yourself, along with cross-referencing through state and government sources.

That's how studies work. I'm not sorry that their conclusions don't match up with what you want to believe, but autistically screaming "HATE SPEECH" isn't a counterpoint.

>>94001069
Okay Columbo, since you're too fucking stupid to google, Turning Point USA, they created a database similar to Tariq Nasheed's bullshit Alt--Right one, except it, points /pol/ fucktards towards professors they disagree with so those fucktards, in turn, can harass and threaten people they have no other problem with but a hyperbolic disagreement.

There's one.

>>93996720
No, it's the children who are wrong.

>>94001069
Does Pizzagate count?

>>94001104
The threat of foreign born Islamic extremism is mostly a joke, especially after security reforms made post 9/11.

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa798_1_1.pdf

You're more likely to get killed by Animal attacks since 1975. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/16/chart-the-animals-that-are-most-likely-to-kill-you-this-summer/?utm_term=.adcaa9460067

>>94001430
>bitch list
>violence
I can't agree!

>>94001430
>can harass and threaten people they have no other problem with but a hyperbolic disagreement.

And when, exactly, has this ever happened, to the point where the person in question hasn't been allowed to speak?

You keep acting like "the right is just as bad as the left", but you can't name a single actual example of the right violently censoring a leftist.

Again, would you like me to give you a rundown of every single time in, say, the last two years that moderate and rightwing speakers have been violently censored by leftists, when you can't even name a single one in the last 10?

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>Illegal immigrant discussion
>Nobody suggests that instead of simply building a wall, we should instead punish American businesses when they hire illegals

>>94001510
>convenient exceptions
>quipy, meaningless statistical comparisons
I guess all those dead gays will be much happier.

>>94001510
Oh, good, I'll be sure to tell the families of the nightclub that. They'll be overjoyed.

(Also, I'm not even sure why you're posting that. Rightwingers in the US don't defend Islam, only leftists do. And as in ideology itself, Islamists are so much further to the right than anything else we have here that they've reached "here there be djinns" territory.)

And no, I'm not even going attempt to hazard a guess as to why liberals defend Islamists, who violently oppose everything liberals believe in.

>>94001580
>Illegal immigrant discussion
>nobody suggests we simply put landmines across the border
Cheaper and sends a stronger message, desu

>>94001547
So Berkeley then?

>>94001612
>I'm not even going attempt to hazard a guess as to why liberals defend Islamists
Because "intersectionality" means that Muslims are oppressed and need to be supported no matter what. It's an ideology of choosing sides and fighting wars without regard to actual moral judgements.

>>94001660
Stronger than dragging the CEO of a trucking company out into the street and shooting him in the head?

>>94001661
You mean when blackshirts set fires, assaulted, and vandalized at will to suppress a speaker on the college campus?

Or some other time?

>>94001612
>>94001588
>Apply Islamic extremism to all Muslims
>Immediately go to emotional appeals.
>Use zero studies or evidence to back up their feelings
Snowflakes.

>>94001748
>Muslim kills sinful gays for the glory of Allah
>calling it Islamic extremism is emotional appeal
I don't understand!

>>94001721
Nope, that one. Berkeley students acted shamefully. I think most people would acknowledge that.

>>94001682
They can't stop sucking the cocks of the rich even if they are the ones hiring the illegals in the first place.

>>94001661
There were multiple instances there.

Also this guy, off the top of my head:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Murray_(political_scientist)#Incident_at_Middlebury_College

It wasn't in the last two years, but a bunch of liberal protestors shut down a speech by someone simply claiming there was a link between genetics and biological traits, which obviously leftists can't stand for.

>>94001803
And this is an example of leftists violently suppressing a rightist, in which case I'm a bit confused as to why you brought it up in response to the post that you quoted.

>>94001533
>>94001547
You know multiple people who were on the list had to leave their state right? They had to go into hiding. They were receiving death threats left at their homes. It's not joking, it's not trolling. That's serious shit, and it was done to silence them. Not only did Turning Point know this was happening, after the first few professors went into hiding they added more.

Fuck, talk about recent, the fake ANTIFA troll who got on FOX had his house vandalized and personal death threats sent for fucking trolling. You people are so dense in thinking your ideology heroes when you're no fucking different than who you're fighting and you're both exceptionally skilled at denying any crimes committed by fellows.

>>94001794
The issue is that people on the right apply a broad brush to all Muslims. They push policy to target all Muslims, not just terrorists. That's what bothers people on the left.

>>93999984
They literally had to retcon her question about Myspace to being about Twitter

>>94001886
I didn't, I'm a different anon.

>>94001748
This is a separate vein of conversation, but...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Declaration_on_Human_Rights_in_Islam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam#Homosexuality_laws_in_majority-Muslim_countries

When the entire Islamic world signs a statement saying that Muslims don't deserve equal rights, and homos even worse, don't sit there and tell me "not all muslims".

>>94001904
Leftist fete terrorists as "resistance" for "justice".

>>93996720
I waited over 10 years for Marvel to publish an in-universe take down of this cunt. And it ended up just being a self-insert for the writer to yell at people teasing him on twitter. No justice. Not even catharsis. I hope we all burn.

>>94001867
I don't think hippies throwing a fit sporadically is a threat to Western democracy. It's bad for sure but hardly a massive threat to the 1st Amendment.

>>93996980
Because he's Captain America. They just don't want to make him look bad/wrong in any way.

>>94001861
This is why they're more useful as muscle than brains.

>>94001957
>When the entire Islamic world
There's no such thing as a central Islamic authority you dumb bitch. The concept you're spouting doesn't exist in that religion.

>>94001970
Now you're just trolling.

>>94001894
>You people are so dense in thinking your ideology heroes when you're no fucking different than who you're fighting and you're both exceptionally skilled at denying any crimes committed by fellows.

1. My ideological heroes are all scientists in different fields, some alive, some dead.

2. You have yet to name one, single, "crime".

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? I can point out many problems with "the right wing", but you keep claiming "THE RIGHT WING IS JUST AS BAD", without providing so much as a single example, next the mountain of violence committed by leftists against both moderate and right wing individuals.

What exactly is going through your head when you keep saying "YOU'RE JUST AS BAD", when I'm not a rightwinger, and you have absolutely zero evidence to counter the mountain of evidence against your beliefs?

You literally called "providing an example of rightwing censorship on campuses" an "impossible standard".

Do you realize how that sounds to everyone else reading?

This is precisely why I call Jenkins an uneven writer. He can write some really good shit like his Sentry mini or some of his Spider-Man work, then he goes and writes something like this or Wrecker killing the entire schoolbus full of kids just to be edgy. Fallen Sun being a very sarcastic "fuck you" to Marvel is my headcanon

>>94001904
Islam is a terrorist ideology, and 100% of them follow the teachings of a genocidal child rapist.

So, yeah, it's even more acceptable to paint them all with the same brush than it is even the Nazis or the KKK.

Unless you're seriously going to suggest that we can't judge the KKK or Nazis because "not all of them were like that".

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>>94002033
>NOT ALL
You were sayin?

>>94002033
Doesn't need to be if they're all garbage.

>>94002033
There is, it is called the Koran.

You don't quite understand the mind of the zealot.

>>94002087
next the mountain of violence committed by leftists against both moderate and right wing individuals.

So now we're talking about all violence? Not just riots to stop speakers?

>>94002006
>I don't think hippies throwing a fit sporadically is a threat to Western democracy. It's bad for sure but hardly a massive threat to the 1st Amendment.

>rioting
>violently assaulting speakers
>black bloc tactics
>"lol just a fit"

Yes, it is, when you violently oppose the right for someone to speak at what is a pre-organized event.

Both the moderate and the right are sick of this shit. That's why ANTIFA and BAMN has started getting their teeth punched in, instead of being allowed to violently riot against anything they don't like.

It also makes your entire half of the political spectrum look like anti-American, intellectually devoid asshats, which is probably why Republicans keep winning everything, despite their shit policies.

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>>94002049

>>94002221

We're talking about censorship, yes.

Why is your post the only thing you took away from mine?

The violence committed by that Sander's supported in Seattle, and the violence committed by that other Sander's supporter against the Republican congressmen are both horrific, but not in the vein of censorship.

Can you seriously not name one single instance of right-wing violence to censor leftist speakers on campus in the last 10 years?

Why do you keep trying to change the subject?

You realize it's perfectly fine to change your mind on an issue, right?

>>94002339
I wasn't defending censorship by leftist rioters. I'm a different person than who you started the debate with.

>>94002383
I fail to see how that changes my point. Care to explain?

When people aren't allowed to debate their ideas, literally, the only option left is violence.

Preventing people from debating their ideas is a symptom that is entirely a leftist tactic these days, and really makes them look very, very poor.

>>94002383
If we have shifted the conversation to overall violence. Right wing extremism has taken a far deadlier toll in the last 17 years than left wing terrorism.

https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/terrorism-in-america/what-threat-united-states-today/

>>94002087
I mean, there was that kid who shot up that black church attempting to start a race war. Sure, it isn't specifically "starting violence on a college campus" but since when has the definition of someone being violent been that narrow. There's also a lot of radical right wing violence against planned parenthood clinics, which again isn't within your incredibly narrow definition, but still. Also, why are you only looking for examples of violence within only the last ten years, as if anything before that point is irrelevant to the conversation?

>>94002476
>Can you seriously not name one single instance of right-wing violence to censor leftist speakers on campus in the last 10 years?

>Why do you keep trying to change the subject?

>You realize it's perfectly fine to change your mind on an issue, right?

>I fail to see how that changes my point. Care to explain?

I'm a different person. I never challenged that leftist rioting is in any way defensible. I never challenged your point on that.

If you are talking about overall violence? That I would challenge.

>>94002513
Not that I disagree that Islam is shit, but it's a tad misleading when:

1. You leave out 9/11
2. The deadliest shooting in American history jumps the score up exponentially by a crazy mudslime.
3. Jeremy Christian was a Sander's supporter, not "far right wing".

>>94002551
>a lot
The last I can remember was what amounted to a firecracker outside their door, that the (((media))) wouldn't stop reporting on for a week. Was that even this year, or last year?

>Also, why are you only looking for examples of violence within only the last ten years, as if anything before that point is irrelevant to the conversation?
>only
Exactly how far back to you need to dig to make an argument supporting your viewpoint? Saying "10 years" was BEYOND generous.

>>94002617
>You leave out 9/11
It's where the study starts. Probably because 9/11 was a game changer that lead to massive policy reform. I couldn't find anything more comprehensive.
>2. The deadliest shooting in American history jumps the score up exponentially by a crazy mudslime.
Yes it did.
>3. Jeremy Christian was a Sander's supporter, not "far right wing".
I'm aware of that. Is it listed incorrectly in the report?

>>94002610
>If you are talking about overall violence? That I would challenge.

That's a separate conversation than censorship, but I would also argue against that.

I have already read the reports that say "Rightwing violence/militia groups are so violent and a huge threat!", yet, I never actually hear how they're a goddamn problem. Last time was that Brevik person, across the pond, and before that, it's been Muslims, Dylan Roof, and... Charles Manson? Was he the unibomber? And he seemed more like a greenfaggot than anything else.

In recently memory, however, the other fag keeps screaming "THE RIGHT WING IS JUST AS BAD", when practically every instance of violence has been left-wing rioters either against right-wing speakers, BLM destroying their own cities, or leftists in Portland lighting their own city on fire.

>>94002702
>It's where the study starts.
So they conveniently leave out 9/11. That would obviously skew things, but so does the Pulse Nightclub shooting. Neither of which are favorable to Muslims.
>Yes it did.
Yes.
>I'm aware of that. Is it listed incorrectly in the report?
Yes, it's the last one on "far right wing".

It's also weird that their neither tracking "left wing violence", nor "injuries". Especially considering all the recent attacks on congress and the shit in Berkeley.

>>94002702
They count many, many non-political acts as Right-Wing Terrorism to buff up that number.

Much like how it's a hate crime when a cop shoots a black suspect with a gun.

>>94002756
>I have already read the reports that say "Rightwing violence/militia groups are so violent and a huge threat!", yet, I never actually hear how they're a goddamn problem

That's why I posted the following.

https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/terrorism-in-america/what-threat-united-states-today/

Left-wing terrorism largely fell off after the decline of the USSR.

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states

Overall, I don't think any type of terrorism in the U.S. is much of a threat but to say left wing extremism is worse than right wing doesn't really match the facts.

>>94001272
I'm not convinced you know even the first thing about Nazism's history in America, but you are sure as hell eager to share your thoughts.

>>94002756
Ah, but the riots and arson aren't counted as acts of terrorism.

Therefore, right-wing terror is still a bigger issue!
Wonder when people will notice that those in charge of categorizing terrorism and hate groups are Left wing, partisan organizations.

>>94002826
I've always found that strange.

I hear a constant string of reports claiming "RIGHT WING TERRORISTS ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS THREAT TO AMERICA".

But... where the fuck are all these supposed "right wing terrorists" (who aren't Islamists)? Our weekly Islamist plots don't even make anything beyond local news anymore, but "right wing" groups, that haven't done shit since... what, the Bundy Ranch standoff, which was just some bullshit about cattle, are the most dangerous threat to our country, after the deadliest Islamic gun massacre in our history?

Wait, Dylan might have been after that. Still, that would be classified as "white supremicist" specifically, not merely "right wing". Otherwise you'd have to place all Islamic and Black Panther terrorism under "right wing".

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>>94002895
I think the failed attempt to stigmatize a cartoon frog did a good bit of that.

>>94002888
What a waste of trips.
Please, tell me more about Nazism's role in "Occupy Wallstreet".

>>94002895
When people say shit like "certified hate group", they're talking about the SPLC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center

It's literally an honor to make their list of "hate groups", because of how bullshit their organization is.

Regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum, they don't deserve your trust, nor respect.

>>94002822
>So they conveniently leave out 9/11. That would obviously skew things, but so does the Pulse Nightclub shooting. Neither of which are favorable to Muslims.

My point is that right wing terrorism is worse than left wing terrorism. Obviously Islamic extremism is worse than either.

>I'm aware of that. Is it listed incorrectly in the report?
>Yes, it's the last one on "far right wing".
I would guess because of motive it's considered right wing.

>>94002895
Like the FBI?

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states

>>94002822
>so they conveniently leave out 9/11
Wasn't in the last ten years, bub :)

>>94001135
>being so retarded you call the term actually used in litigation a buzzword

>>94003115
Yes, or did you think they're all independents?

The Left infiltrates and subverts any organization they can, as when they gain power, the promote other Leftists over competent people.

Part of the obstacles Trump faces are entrenched Leftist bureaucrats.

>>94002165
Correlation =/= Causation. Also, several countries that didn't sign either document or signed the resolution have a pretty rocky relationship with LGBT people, and fairly high amounts of Muslim people in their country. I'd bet it probably has more to do with the culture of an area/country rather than the religion.

>>94003784
Their culture is Islamic Fundamentalism.

When crowds gather to cheer when homosexuals are thrown off of tall buildings. Yeah, they probably have a pretty rocky relationship with the LGBT community.

>>94003834
There's also Christian, Atheist, and Hindu majority populations that do the same shit. To boil down a culture to just their religion is horseshit. India is a Hindu majority country, is one of the worst places to be LGBT, and doesn't have its entire culture reduced to Extreme Hinduism. To equate someplace culturally like Afghanistan to Egypt or Indonesia, is ignorant. Removing the Muslim religion in any of those countries and they probably would still be killing gay people for fun.

>>94004017
Yet all these "christian", "hindu", "atheist" societies all agreed that LGBT rights should be a thing.

It's only mudslimes that came together to explicitly express otherwise.

>>94001244
>hate group

Do you want the "I get my news from /r/politics" starter pack or do you want to upgrade to the BuzzFeed Deluxe Editon?

I mean good lord I know this isn't /pol/ but when there's this many progressive apologists on 4chan in general It's no wonder why capeshit is festering with rabid leftist "diversity" trash.

>>94003784
>Correlation =/= Causation

We're not talking about random variables of whether a certain dietary habit is good or bad, we're talking about engrained culture.

What you think "moderate" Islam is is actually extremely mild and milquetoast Islam that can only be found among *some* 3rd or 4th Generation Islamic citizens of first world countries.

>I'd bet it probably has more to do with the culture of an area/country rather than the religion.

How much of a stupid fucking bitch do you have to be to not grasp how Islam is the core of the culture in these nations?

What, you think because you grew up with barely religious parents and stopped going to church when you went to college means that religion is somehow a mutually exclusive concept to a nation's culture?

For fucks sake most of those countries actually practice Sharia law. It drives the very concept of the administration of justice and politics.

>>94004017
>There's also Christian, Atheist, and Hindu majority populations that do the same shit.

An extreme disproportionate number of this behavior is however with Islam. Holy fuck why are you even here? How can someone this afraid of being "Islamophobic" even stand to look at a place as "problematic" as 4chan.

Maybe if you learned a thing or two about cultures you wouldn't be such a cultural relativist.

>>93997121
>Reminds me of that time a few months ago with the whole Catwoman-kills-200-people nonsense when Tom King was like "you're SUPPOSED to disagree with my Catwoman characterization" and then he audibled an extra issue in order to make Holly the killer instead of her.

Is that actually true? If so holy shit that's hilarious.

>>94001244
>several legal organizations.

Aw look, it's someone who takes the SPLC seriously

What a cute little babby

>>94000909
>the money they put in
>THE MONEY THEY PUT IN
that's the point they don't put shit in, you can't pay income tax without a social security number genius

>>94001135
>Enter the country and stay there illegally
>Describing this as "illegal immigration" is incorrect.
Let me guess they're just sovereign citizens that are "traveling" right?

>>94000214
The people who caused the recession are immigrants. More precisely, fourth-generation immigrants from Eastern Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_United_States#Immigration_of_Central_and_Eastern_European_Jews

>>94001904
the problem is that the terrorists are the ones correctly following the tennets of islam, you have to remember that every single word, letter and intonation of the quran is supposed to be the indisputable word of god. So unlike, say christianity which can just claim that "oh, this passage ISN'T the explicit word of god, so we don't have to hold bi-weekly stonings anymore"
muslims don't have that luxury, the quran states gays must be stoned to death, there's absolutely no leeway on that

>>93999962
I made that 10 years ago when they were vogue.

>>94004133
>Yet all these "christian", "hindu", "atheist" societies all agreed that LGBT rights should be a thing.
But they didn't. India didn't sign the resolution. Russia didn't sign the resolution. Yes, several countries that are Muslim majority made an opposing resolution, but it wasn't because they were Muslim, in fact since that resolution three of the countries that initially signed it reversed their stance and signed the one supporting it. Many of these countries have cultures that hurt LGBT people, but to say that their cultures are just Islamic Fundamentalism is wrong.

>>94001244
>He can't refute Chick Tracts

>>94002991
isn't 4chan a hate group according to them?

>>94004285
They'll claim payroll taxes.
But, you only pay those if you're using a fake SSN (A federal crime) and not just getting paid under the table.

>>94004881
Everyone to the right of Mao Ze Dong is a hate group according to them.

>>93999984
They edited it to be more reliable in the reprint

>>93999947
He would be right if his fundamental premise weren't flawed. Just going by statistics, most immigrants coming up from Mexico, just to use to most obvious example, are guilty of no major crimes beyond crossing the border illegally or remaining in this country for longer than they had been allowed. They bust their asses, contribute Christ knows how much money to the system in the form of sales taxes and the like, and. contrary to popular belief. benefit minimally from social programs which most of them are unable to access.

The agricultural industry in California and elsewhere is heavily reliant on migrant laborers, and I'm sure other industries would suffer for their absence. If it weren't for the odd career criminal coming across, or for the cartel sending its people across for various low down purposes, then the only issue with large scale immigration would be the disregard for our borders. And I can't in good conscience say that they should be doing things legally when the path to US citizenship is so absurdly convoluted and time consuming.

>>94000570
Just say Jews you fucking coward

>>94004227
>What you think "moderate" Christianity is is actually extremely mild and milquetoast Christianity that can only be found among *some* 3rd or 4th Generation Christian citizens of first world countries.

Fixed that for you. It's almost as being a citizen of a wealthy, first world nation, that has had the time, geography, and circumstances to develop, might make you a little less inclined to kill gay people. But go ahead and keep implying that none of that matters.

>How much of a stupid fucking bitch do you have to be to not grasp how Islam is the core of the culture in these nations? What, you think because you grew up with barely religious parents and stopped going to church when you went to college means that religion is somehow a mutually exclusive concept to a nation's culture? For fucks sake most of those countries actually practice Sharia law. It drives the very concept of the administration of justice and politics.

It's part of the core, but to say that Islamic culture is the only thing making these countries hate gay people is wrong. Probably plays a big part, but when hating LGBT seems to be a common trend world wide, until a country reaches a certain point in both civil and financial progress, it makes me wonder if there's not other cultural factors at work. Several of these countries have been practicing whatever barbaric form of law that keeps their current government together. Once again, might have something to do with being dirt poor or unstable except in a few circumstances.

>>94005372
Cont.
>An extreme disproportionate number of this behavior is however with Islam. Holy fuck why are you even here? How can someone this afraid of being "Islamophobic" even stand to look at a place as "problematic" as 4chan. Maybe if you learned a thing or two about cultures you wouldn't be such a cultural relativist.

I'm not afraid of being "Islamophobic", I just want a world where LGBT people can fuck in peace. I never approved these countries' actions, or the actions of non-Muslim majority countries that are just as hostile to gay people. I just think that going full crusader isn't going to get that end result. What do you suggest we do? Kill all Muslims? Refuse to trade or work with any country that oppresses gay people? Deport all Muslims in our countries for thoughtcrime against gay people? All I was saying is that culturally changing any of these countries probably has a deeper root cause than Islam, or whatever their major religion is. The champions of gay rights today were lynching LGBT people all the same about 100 years ago. Also, I'm here because I enjoy comics and cartoons.

>>94005372
>Once again, might have something to do with being dirt poor or unstable except in a few circumstances.
>the poor muslims
>they can't help it

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>>94005372
This is actually rather true, genuine Christianity is rather radical and does tend to advocate for total submission of a secular state to a religious authority, if not in fact then at least in principle. The state must receive guidance from the Church.

>>94005372
>>What you think "moderate" Christianity is is actually extremely mild and milquetoast Christianity that can only be found among *some* 3rd or 4th Generation Christian citizens of first world countries.
You're hundreds of years out of date with that one.

>>94005542
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States
KKK was pretty good at upholding whatever radicalized belief in Christianity they had.

>>94005156
So, how many will you be putting up in your home?

>>94005424
I never said that they were helpless to change it, but the last thing a society thinks about when they aren't having their basic needs met is "This minority group is really getting the shaft, maybe we shouldn't be so hard on them". Or if their government openly kills them for criticizing their treatment of LGBT people, they probably won't speak out about it. If we want to make a better world for LGBT people we should probably make sure that these countries are stable, have a government that the people choose, and let them start questioning the treatment of LGBT people themselves.

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>>93996720
Well, she's not wrong. Cap fights for an ideal that doesn't exist anymore.

>>94001244
This exact attitude right here is why people are getting so tired of liberals in America, instead of formulating arguments or presenting facts or trying to win hearts and minds, they say, "I don't want to talk to a nazi/racist/person-with-different-beliefs." Sure it's futile to argue with idiots, but if you never argue at all, don't be suprised when people listen to and believe the other guys.

>>94005156
> Just going by statistics, most immigrants coming up from Mexico, just to use to most obvious example, are guilty of no major crimes beyond crossing the border illegally or remaining in this country for longer than they had been allowed.

How can you possibly know that? They're here illegally, you don't know anything about them.

>>94005736
None, because the invisible hand provides for them. And if it does not, they just have to sweat some more.

>>94005818
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/07/16/voices-gomez-undocumented-immigrant-crime-san-francisco-shooting/30159479/
Leans to the left in the article, but has other decent sources within.

>>93996833
It's hilarious that Cap held a grudge about this all this time

>>94001580
That would actually be the best way to end the illegal immigration epidemic. Punish white people (specifically white, so as not to be made martyrs by the leftist media) severely for it, openly and often, to make white people afraid of even being seen with a Mexican. I'm talking CEOs of major companies hiring cheap Mexican labor down to little old ladies hiring Jose to cut her lawn getting punished severly. Not with fines, but for real big boy jail time in hellhole prisons with the worst scum America has to offer.

The absolute worst mistake white people have made again and again is getting tired to doing their own labor and finding other people to exploit to do it for us, which has bitten us in the ass and made things 10 times worse than they ever were before again and again. We have to make white people afraid to even think of doing this.

>>93996720
lovin how well this aged

>>94002756
>Charles Manson? Was he the unibomber? And he seemed more like a greenfaggot than anything else.

Ted Kaczynski. Naturalist anarcho-primitivist or classical liberal, depending on who you ask.

Note that classical liberalism is not social liberalism; classical liberalism is effectively libertarianism while social liberalism is practically authoritarian collectivism.