Astonishing X-Men

>>93989037
>Charles Soule
here we fucking go

>>93989177
Calling Rogue a nicname Gambit calls her... KILL THIS OLD FUCKER!

>>93988986
Is this the last hope for a good X-men book?

>>93989232
Has the best cast of characters.

>>93989250
Hope Gambit kills him.

>>93989187
lol this is so retarded and awesome

>>93989302
>Cat Beast
Dafuq?

>>93989091
A bit of a wordy into, but I'm liking this

>>93989401
That's how you know this is The Good Timeline, anon.

>>93989445
Oh wow, interesting. Xavier's mind is in the Astral Plane still. Gambit, Rouge and a nice twist. I am down to see what happens.

Isnt Mystique supposed to be in this? couldnt Beast be Mystique?

>>93989187
OH YEAH

>>93989121
The X-babes are bastiches and somehow is everybody fucking with everybody and everybody hates everybody, so how does Rogue stan to Psylocke?

>>93989302
Beast looks like a cat again?

>>93989545
Lemme think...
did Psylocke ever fug Iceman? Cuz I think that would make her and Rogue eskimo sisters

>>93989234
nice lead into the final panel. I like this art and colouring.

And I team up powers

>>93989250

and to think Bishop was unusable a decade because they made him commit genocide. This is why character assasination is so bad.
Soule said he wont mention in any way all the millions of people Bishop killed. The idea must be most people forgot about it since its been long ago.
He could have been a good member of many teams this last decade.

I hope the same doesnt happen to Emma, although it looks like they want to continue using her, but as a villain.

>>93989509
Good call. She is on the roster and on the covers for the next few issues

>>93989509
Nicely done. Will make some interesting times when they catch that. Especially with Gambit and Rogue being on the team with her.

>>93989364
This would be the best line up in many years, when they would call it "X-Force" and Deadpool would be instead of OML with them.

>>93989250
I don't care if it's cliché as fuck, but I love rogue as the character that kisses people to use her power.

>>93989509
Probably is Mystique Beast. He is not supposed to be here.

>>93989264
would you a Rogue, Psylocke threesome? or a Bishop, Rogue one? I'm not one to judge

>>93989577
Pretty sure, that Psylocked fucked every X-Men so far.


And Rogue, isn´t she supposed to be with Deadpool?

>>93989603
Writers said the book is loose canon. The one when on did was kinda.

He doesn't want to write about evil crazy bishop and etc

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>>93989752
its the whole reason she became an x-man

>>93989808
Whedon did. Fucking reverse auto correct.

>>93989302
>Soule ignoring all the shit that's been done to ruin Beast
THE ABSOLUTE
B E A S T
E
A
S
T

>>93989793
they hooked up but they're not together

>>93989793
She kissed him, not that they are together. Besides, she only belongs with one mutant hero and his name is Gambit. Not Deadpool, Bishop or fucking Magneto.

>>93989867
>"beast"
>>93989868
Too bad. I liked that idea.

>>93989885
Gambit and Rogue are the worst and most toxic ship that retconned Rogue into some whiny angsty teenager and him into a sleaze. They are better off single.

>>93989885
its Mag-fucking-neato, get it right

>>93989904
You must be new to X-Men comics if you think that. Stop using the Evolution cartoon and movies as facts based on her character or a ship you obviously did not read develop over the years. It is not toxic. Maybe you just do not know what toxic means when it comes to ships.

>>93989364
I usually hate Fantomex, but I like the way Soule is writing him. Still in character but not as much an asshole.

Daddy issues isnt creepy. Magneto Rogue is the best ship

I want soule out of the X-Men
This issue was 100% garbage

>>93989904
There's just no point in beating a dead horse that is this relationship. It may have been interesting and exciting once but in the later years all of that had worn out and it just became a complete mess. Just let it die already, it doesn't even have any dignity left. Only reasons to bring it back seem to be nostalgia for what it once was and because it's an iconic relationship. But those are not good reasons to bring a relationship back.

>>93990053
Agreed. Pacing was shit. Dialogue was shit. The setup was shit.

>>93989885
Agree. Anyone who states otherwise grew up on that shitty Evolution cartoon or the movies. Kids under 20 who havent even read the history they have.
>>93990019
Wrong. Pedophile relationships are gross.

I think Rogue needs someone with a more serious personality, while Gambit needs that woman that show him who is the boss... and both are so identical to work...I think she will be better with the leader type of guy or someone really serious... she is not good with a guy that act as a kid... more because she is sometimes like a kid herself... that is why I see her with an older man...

>>93990053
>>93990087
Hahahah. Here comes the shit posters who do not like the fact the majority of responses have been posisitve.

>>93989965
I am based it on comics, especially post-Claremont Rogue who was a weaker, more pathetic version of the strong, sassy 80s one. I was fed up with their 'on and off again relationship', the secrets, the 'ah can't touch ya remy but ah want', the cheating, the angst. If I wanted to watch soap opera, I'd turn on tv. In short, both characters were detrimental to each other growth and they work better when they are off: Gambit being a ladies man who works on his own, and Rogue playing a hero or whatever.

>>93990130
>positive
shilling is shilling.
Soule made his bed with shithumans, and he's not wanted here

>>93990062
Gambit needs to move on from Rogue and find someone else. And Gambit and Psylocke would be great and is something that I have wanted for a long time.

>>93990130
I'm stating my opinion, just like others have done in the thread. I don't particularly care for this, at all, and I found it to be shit, in general, but others liked it, which is okay, because liking something or not liking something is up to the individual. Now relax Marveldrone, no need to get your big girl panties in twist.

>>93990173
>good b8 m8?

>>93989885
her with any of those makes no fucking sense, especially cradle robbing Magneto.

I hope they get back together in this run

>>93990210
Your mother. Actually no, your father.

>>93989965
It was total angstfest, and very little good romance. And it hurt Gambit more than it hurt Rogue.

>>93989264
l-lewd

>>93989232
>Soule
(You)

>>93990198
Usually #1 threads have suspicious positive opinions, so it needs a month for shills to fuck off

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daily reminder that Rogue chose Magneto over Gambit.

Remy's a cuck.

>>93990198
Do you like any of the other X-books? Genuinely curious. I initially thought Gold and Gen X had potential but both are BAD.

>>93990268
HAHAHAHAHA

Have you been in any of the other X #1 threads? Only Blue was slightly positive, and fucked if I know why, it was shit

>>93989091
They made Mothra skinny?

>>93990288
Gen X legitimately has potato-faces. It's like someone looked at Frank Quitely, saw that people say that he does great detail and expressions, then modeled every face off the most potato-looking ones

>>93990288
X-Men, and to a degree Daredevil, are the only things I keep tabs on at Marvel anymore. I've always been a DC guy, but those two properties will always be favorites. But, as usual, Marvel continues to shit on them.

>>93990274
Magneto looks like a fucking Pedophile. Not jokin, a fucking - 100%ish pedophile.

>>93989232
No, that would be Hopeless.

>>93989298
retarded and awesome is the perfect mix for most fans of mainstream franchises, just look at Naruto or One Piece.

>>93990312
Yes, I see you are cherrypicking

>>93990354
Rogue is in her mid 20s, how he can be pedo lol

>>93990173
>i-i-it's just shilling when someone says anything good about Marvel!

>>93990360
>Hopeless
kys tbqh

>>93990407
The keyword is "suspicious", but yeah, keep digging your grave deeper. You start to sound like a shill.

>>93990366
>cherry picking
>asking about all X books

>>93989302
when was the last time Beast used that suit?

>>93990407
Common tactic by edgelords to demean a comix that is popular. Just ignore the edgy faggots who only buy Indie titles that are so pretenious Morrison insults them. Those neckbeards cannot stand it when something popular is actually good.

>>93990414
It's the truth, he is currently the best writer that the X-men have.

>>93990476
Samefag

>>93990288
Uncanny Avengers is the best one

>>93990485
In other words, there are no good writers at X-folks?

>>93990506
That should have been cancelled long time ago.

>>93990504
Nice try faggot. You lost. Get over it. Stop shit posting. You must be 18 to post on this site, so you should leave.

>>93990533
>abloo bloo bloo bloo

>>93989445

Okay, so far so good. I am cautiously calling this the best current X-Men book. It feels like solid, classic stuff. Good art, good characterization, good roster. I'm on-board.

I actually enjoyed it. Much better than most of the other ResurrXion stuff. Wish it didn't have Beast tho.

>>93990506
Deapool is pretty solid.
Karnak and Foolkiller were the best,
Ultimates has a shit-line up, but the story is awesome and the team plays a small role (ironically).

>>93990573
Really? Unless you mean the least shitty

>>93990573
Uncanny X-Men was not this bad. It had much more potential, but they had solid issues.

The tragic end with Sarbetooth and Monet.

>>93989064
Have Rogue and Old Man Logan interacted previously?

>>93990485
Pak is far better than Hopeless. It was just DOA cause Land

>>93990570
Hahaha. I love it when summer friends prove the point of someone talking them down. Hilarious. Go back to /b/ you edgy 12 year old.

>>93990506
>Avengers
>X-book
but I get your point. Duggan is alright, something about his writing turns me off but I understand why people like his books they are generally technically solid. Just something about his writing I don't like.

>>93990274
What makes it worse is that she chose Gambit after Gambit poured his hear out to her, and she immediately rejected him and went into the tent next door to fuck Mags while Gambit played basketball by himself outside, haha. He's so pathetic.

>>93989445
> even in death hes a cripple

>>93990683
Jean Grey and Weapon X are both very good. Hopeless is better at dialogue with Pak being better at pacing. Can we not love both of them for being solid writers?

>>93990734
*she chose Magneto

>>93990725
Keep crying

>>93990734
You're pathetic and that is not exactly how it happened. Stop rewriting history.

>>93990730
it's Zub now and Rogue is great in it

This is it. If this is fucked, my love for the X-Men is all but fucked.

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>>93988986

>>93990797
It's shit Rooney, now go away

>>93990674
Yes. IvX

>>93990802
Larraz is my favorite Rogue artist since Lee

>>93989302
I'm impressed, Soule. That is no small feat.

Thank you for the return of Best Beast.

You are forgiven for IvX.

>>93990891

<Ever forgiving someone for shithumans

'no'

>>93990891
Fuck off

>>93990773
It is very close. He told Rogue he loved her and wanted to be with her. She left and a little while later went to Mags to go fuck him while Gambit was outside of their tent playing basketball by himself dejected. It was hilarious.

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>>93990866

>>93989885
Rogue belongs with zero mutant characters, because she belongs with Carol

>>93989405
oh fuck, mojo is the villain? what a fucking twist

>>93991053
Carol spent the most time inside her after all

>>93990471
At least five years.

>>93990746
>Hopeless
>solid writer

Pick one.

>>93989603
Consider this: all those deaths happened in barely canon alternate futures and the ONLY people who knew about them were Hope and Cable. Yeah, Bishop went a bit crazy in Messiah Complex, but the genocides happened in Cable's ongoing where nobody else was around.

>>93991091
That´s Shadowking

>>93990912
Does your butt whistle when you fart.

>>93991184

>Using this lame shit defense for the worst agenda push in modern history

No, fuck you faggot.

>>93990428
>implying I was the guy you originally responded to
Stop using memewords.

>>93989302
>Cat Beast
BENDIS BTFO

>A classic X-Men lineup, just like the old days!
>shipping wars reignite immediately
YASSS

>>93991221
If you don't like memewords, don't use them yourself

>>93989302
Wow, this is actually really good, it seems Marvel learned their lesson or at least made a bunch of good books to prepare us when Age of Thanos or some shitty event comes out.

>>93991155
I think that anon is just joking about the fact that a bunch of casuals kept insisting that the Shadow King was Mojo in Legion just because he was fat, despite it being pretty clear from the get-go that it was SK.

>>93990184
Things are happening between Childish Gambito and Storm in X-Men Gold.

>>93989603
>Soule said he wont mention in any way all the millions of people Bishop killed.
Funny how the first thing Bishop says to Logan is exactly that.

>>93991372
Good. I always sensed a big chemistry and understanding between them. Gambit needs a real grown-up woman who is emotionally stable and can keep him in check and Storm needs someone who can make her laugh and help relax.

>>93991281
Uh what? I used shill to paraphrase and mock you. Go away, kiddo.

>>93991405
Cringe post

>>93990761
This. Marvel is finished.

>>93989215
Someone needs to teach Bishop how to talk like a real person.

>>93991429
There you go again.

>>93991451
Yup. Can't help but cringe at you

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>>93989064
>Gambit hanging out with Fantomex
>Everyone's favourite slut getting down with yet another older man
>>93989075
>Betty calls for Gambit instead of Fantomex
HERESY
>>93989158
>And now she is much less
This makes me wonder. What the FUCK happened in Uncanny X-Force Volume 2?
>>93989187
HELL YEAH
>>93989405
OH IT'S HIM FROM UNCANNY
COOL
>>93989445
WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUCK

>>93990836
WRONG

>>93989234
I like the team-up but it would probably be just as effective to have Bishop absorb directly from Psylocke.

>>93991445
>Someone should teach Soule how to write
ftfy

>>93991483
He can't draw out energy, Rogue can.

>>93989808
Bishop had his redemption arc already, so there is no breach of canon here.

Great issue, will buy it

>>93991976
Buy ten copies!!!!

>>93989250
Why doesn't Rogue never kiss women to absorb them? Why only men? I thought X-Men were progressive.

>>93989004
I'm liking this already.

>>93992098
>Why doesn't Rogue never kiss women to absorb them?
But she does? She kissed Black Widow in A+X to learn how to shoot a sniper rifle.

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>>93992594
huh, you are right. and google found it

>>93991474
Betty can't call Fantomex even if she wanted to, not usually anyway since he wears telepathy blocking plates in his mask.

I'd buy this, but I'd want the Psylocke variant and I'm not cool with supporting Deodato.

>>93992974
Nobody cares

>>93989264
The two french wannabes ladie's mans loosing to the BBC again.

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I will never be happy about this PANTS shit

>>93993020
wtf bro!!!! >_<

>>93993055
I'm not your bro, tripfag

>>93989050
Are they gonna ignore the whole "mass murdered millions of people while trying to kill a little girl" thing?

>>93989364
I am confused. Who is the one that Fantomex wants to fuck? Betsy or Gambit?

>>93990745
I hate that fucking chair. A cripple Xavier, mind or real one, make no sense in 2017. Fucking status quo.

>>93993170

Yes

>>93992974
Every issue is supposed to have a different artist.

>>93991045
So, after that, what happend? Why Rogue is still normal?

>>93993157
yes >>93989603
Based Soule is cutting out all the shit that fans haven't liked apparently. We will see if it holds out that way

>>93993315
>based
enough Charles, go eat your peanut butter.

>>93993178
>paralyzed people don't exist in 2017
THE TRUMP ERA HAS COME

>>93989215
Okay I liked Bishop's line here.

>>93993315
So Soule transferred the "killing hundreds" stigma from Bishop to Emma.

>>93993337
>I was referring to the fact that Xavier is walking since 2004 because Wanda heal him after HoM.
We are now in 2017. Going back to the wheelchair it's gratuitous.

>>93993230

Wonder man jumps out of her, and she goes back to normal since DP's ability finally unlocked a way for him to free himself from rogue. After that DP was warned ahead of time by cap to keep himself from Rogue, so he takes off.

Dp is now playing double agent at hydra and rogue is on like 3 or 4 teams right now, zub took over uncanny avengers.

>>93993559
He's been in and out of the Wheelchair a half a dozen times.

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>>93988986
>0/10 cover
>2/10 pages
Reminds me of like issue 8~9 of RHATO when they changed artist for the one issue
Bravo marvel

>>93993601
I was complaining about the status quo, in fact.

>>93993677
>Hating Cheung
ribbit is thataway

I wish Nightcrawler was on this team

>>93989064
>Robing the Louvre
>In broad daylight
>In a crowded room
>Using explosives
>In Paris 2017
>After multiple terrorist attacks in Paris and Europe
This is why people hate the X-Men Gambit pulls this shit off and gets welcomed on a team. Spidy way right they are a bunch of !@#@##%#$$^%@#@$$%##$%$$@$#%#$@$$%^%&*&&$%%&**(*%$$.

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>>93993831
At this point the humans deserve it, the Hydra hailin' fascist-turnin genocide-crazy cunts

>>93993315
So Rightclops: back next month?

>>93993831
>>93993939

welcome to Marvel where everyone is an asshole and the only ones who get called on it are the ones where it'd be convenient for a shitty story

>>93992293
Yeah, good first page.

>>93993708
>namefagging
Here's a (you)

>>93989050
>>93989064
What excellent introductions.
Is this actually going to be the X-book that gets them back on track?

>>93994282

Honestly Im just glad it didn't take them 6 episodes to set up a premise.

First issue: BOOM HERE'S YOUR TEAM! GO FIGHT THE SHADOW KING!

>>93994282
Jesus christ, enough of this dicksucking
We all know that tomorrow nobody will remember that shit

>>93994342
Calm down, I'm not dick-sucking shit.
I'm enjoying the first few pages of the book.

>>93994342
X-fags have been abused so much they worship the first crack of dawn

>>93994444
Quads confirm
Yesterday they were "fuck Soule, peanut-allergy man for IvX and Emma"

Today they are "yes master, I'll blow your load for free, please"

Pathetic.

>>93994444

Well, you're not wrong. And only time will tell if this run is praised or forgotten about when it's cancelled in a year.

>>93994482

Ah, piss off. Just because someone's praising a decent book doesn't mean they're become cock gobblers. Go get your summer homework done, fag.

IvX was corporate-mandated bullshit. Axel Alonso probably just handed Soule an outline and said "fill in the gaps, kid!"

I'm not expecting them to undo that stupidness yet, it's too soon. But at least this is a decent cast of X-Men in a (so far) decent comic and it's going to be "loose" continuity (meaning they'll let the writer actually tell a fucking story) so I can be guardedly excited.

>>93994561
I'm willing to bet all my money that it will be forgotten very quickly. The comic is painfully mediocre.

Memeing with summer will not change that

>>93989280
>that second panel

I guess Fantomex has innate viagra.

>>93994584
It doesn't matter, because it was beyond awful, and it was all Soule. Lemire at least had the guts to quit

I liked it. Everyone seemed in character, art was fine.

>>93994634

different artist every issue

It seems souls binged watched legion until he got an idea.

>>93988986
Bland.
3/10

>>93989460
>changing art team with every issue....

>>93994634
That is a pretty low bar, anon.

>>93995022
It's Marvel

this first issue is good, but then, the first issue of IvX was good too. Lets wait and see hoping for the best.

>>93989050
I like that they're ignoring the assassination of Bishop by the coward Duane Swierczynski but don't like that they're seemingly ignoring what Bunn did with Angel in Uncanny.

>>93989769
Also because he's cat Beast which I assumed was an artistic screw up.

>>93995216

"First issue of IVX was good too"

Who are you?

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>>93991053
This.

>>93989302
That's Mystique right there.

>>93997815

You know you're probably right and that makes me sad because for a second I thought good Beast might be coming back

>>93994482
Yes because someone cannot write a bad book and then evolve and do something well. Keep living in your cave of cynicism. When you die alone make sure to have someone delete your hard drive and give your comics away.

>>93997877

You mean the one mutant that deserves to be killed for his actions over the last two years? Has beast been good is well over a decade? Did he get replaced by dark beast? because his behavior seems to constantly side with people trying to wipe mutants out.

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>>93997909
>Blaming characters for the writers problems

You're a special kind of moron.

I love this team and I'm a sucker for anything psychic related, I'm on board.

>>93993157
Are you ignoring that he's right?

>>93993939
Let's not act like Erik hasn't attempted a genocide or two

>>93998489
Why do so many /co/ morons think anyone that commits, or tries, genocide and mass murder is always right? It is cause it is super edgy shit posting?

a g-g-g-good x-book?


what in the fuck

>>93999016
Half the book was just introducing characters. First issues aren't a good indicator of what the book will be like.

>>93997962

His character did it. if another mutant was used that way, they would be the ones getting the hate.

>>93999016

>Last X-book of the ResurreXtion relaunch
>Expect it to be OK at best, but probably bad
>It's a Shadow King story
>They're still trying to make Fantomex happen
>They're still trying to put Mystique on X-Men teams.
>Old Man Logan is in at least 3 different books now, it's like Wolverine never even died.
>So it's probably going to be bad.

>Enjoy reading it?

I was not expecting this at all, /co/.

This actually felt like a proper X-Men comic, and not in that going through the motions way Gold does.

>>93990163
>If I wanted to watch soap opera, I'd turn on tv.
A huge part of the appeal of the X-Men has always been that it is basically a huge long running soap opera

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>>93999150
>His character did it.

You realize as a fictional character he has no agency of his own and will do whatever the writer wants him to regardless if it's not in line with all his previous characterzation right? Ergo if a character I liked very much suddenly becomes an asshole it's the writers fault for dragging them through the mud.

>>93999226

Gold is a plain brainless bad comic. It is making me hate Kitty Pryde.

I kinda hope Legion himself makes an appearance in this. Even though it would be pandering to tvfags, would still be cool.

>>93989068
Death of X was good.

>>93989250
What a fucking whore.

Dropped.

>>93989264
Is this a metaphor for ejaculation?

>>93999965

Don't care, came from him. I don't care which shit writer used him as their scapegoat.

Same reason people like rightclops even though they made him mutant hitler. He died defending mutants despite editorial shitting all over him.

Go cry bitch tears elsewhere. Your buttboy is a species traitor and deserves to burn.

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>>93999965

>if you kill the enemy, they win

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>>93999965

>>93990937
Post it

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>>93999965

Eat my dick.

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>>94001188
aren't all energy projectors walking ejaculation metaphors?

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>>94001676
I love how this scene forever cemented Scott a canon bottom. "Yeah, hold my powers in!" It's basically a chastity belt fetish.

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>>94001761

>>94001342
>>94001417

Im not really arguing the characters being badly written or turned into a jerk for no reason. All you're doing is showing some bad writing which is kind of my point, so thanks?

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>>94001787
See also pages 18-19 of Zot #31

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>>94002060

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>>93999965
This, which is why I quit buying Marvel comics altogether, as well as only reading creator owned comics.

Sorry, but not sorry Marvel. I voted with my wallet five years ago.

>>93993983
probably. America Chavez bounced through the punch dimension in Ultimates^2 this week. It'll probably turn out his ghost has been chilling in there

>>93989505

Thought I read solicitations that this was Cassandra Nova? Might be mistaken, though.

I hope Psylocke and Angel hook back up. I liked them

>>94004088
Cassandra Nova *IS* Charles Xavier.
It's the old evil twin metaphor gimmick.
They used to have a "nightmare" of Chucky attack the X-Men every so often back in the day.
At one point those nightmares were retconned into an evil multiple personality.
Later on they did evil entity possessions, like that time he had a Brood queen in him.
Then there's always Onslaught ... but that gets blamed entirely on Magneto.
Morrison went in a different direction...
Since him there's been evil alternate reality Xaviers, alternate future timeline identical-twin-like evil heirs, and spooky hallucinations haunting Kurt and Ororo.
There's been shapeshifters, robots, ... no clone yet (?)
All these alternate excuses for why Xavier is -NOT- evil despite all these depictions of an Xavier being evil.
It's metaphorical for a big old wake-up call that Chucky is an evil bald prick and always has been.

>>94001676
>>94001761
>>94001787
That's not Scott's freakiness.
Close though.
Don't be too disappointed when you find out what it is.

But not every Mutant power metaphor is sexual:
Forge's was about rejecting his heritage, Mirage's was about embracing hers.
Bishop's was about violence and redirecting anger.
Xavier's was about dogmatic teaching. (Stan made him in the '60s era of counter-culture student revolts)
Jean was about valuing women for their minds. ('60s ... )
Angel was about the alienation of a blessed life and being seen as too perfect.
Beast was about ... okay, that one was sexual.

>>93989064
why use "boocoo" here when you have no problem using actual french in later pages

goddamn annoying

>>94000511
It was Lemire

>>93999016
Shill spotte
>>93999226
Then you have a shitty standards

>>93996886
Marvel intern. He's doing it for free

>>93997897
Soule can't

Eat some peanut butter shills, we know who you are. Thankfully you will pass, it's just super-annoying.

>>94006145
> everything i disagree with is a shill post
neck yourself

>>94006369
I'd rather neck you

About Hank,

He's only a victim of character assassination if you can't see the logic behind his actions.
If you accept that his motivations have always been pure, and that he had perfectly reasonable reasons for everything that he's done, then there's no bad writing, intentional or not, that has in any way undermined his core character.

There's no reason to hate him or pretend that he's not really Hank McCoy anymore.
He can still be a sympathetic character even if he's made horrible mistakes.

>>94006650
Some characters are ruined forever.
Hank is one of them

>>94006896

No characters are ruined for ever. You just need to take the time to wash over the shitty stories with enough good ones and stop calling attention to the bad ones every time you want to force drama

>>94007029
Damn shame it takes a lot of good to get rid of a short amount of bad.

>>94007041

That I will not disagree with.

>>93999011
If that was true then /co/ would have been saying Hope was right when Bishop's new retconned past was revealed. Hope is a psychopathic, slave-owning torturer with almost no moral compass, that was Mutant Hitler in his timeline. He is entirely right to think that killing her is an option but ended up using the wrong methods after Cable doused him with nerve gas and he went crazy.
Due to the way the multiverse works at no point is he ever incorrect to say that she's baby Hitler as in his timeline she is. In order for him to be wrong about his opinion he would have to outright not exist anymore.

The time traveler killing baby hitler quandary doesn't ask if maybe Hitler might turn out to be a nice guy when he grows up. It asks whether it's ethical to kill him before he does it.

>>94006896
Don't think so.
He had good reasons for each of his mistakes.
Quitting the X-Men in protest of Rightclops' murder policies was to take a moral stand that didn't involve dropping a dime on Cyke. Why wouldn't that remind softy Cyke of who he used to be?
The tragic time-travel mess that brought us the O5 was supposed to be an old-school positive adventure like he remembered having all the time as a kid. How could he have known that he would destroy universes? Who would have guessed that the O5 would abandon Xavier's plans for them? Why wouldn't an original team time-travel adventure have a simplistic happy ending?
Working with the Inhumans wasn't a traitor thing, it was his being the mutant ambassador and scientific expertise to show the Inhumans that mutants sincerely wanted a peaceful solution despite Deadclops' call to war. How could he know that destroying the magic fart cloud really was the only way?

It's not his fault he has an insane dedication to Professor X's ideals of pacifism and a twisted idealism in regards to how the world works.
How was he supposed to know that writers no longer provide simple and innocent stories with neat resolutions?
If he was back in those early X-Men stories, or '80s Avengers stories, then his plans would have worked. But that's not his world anymore.

>>94007201
Damn, I'm actually cool with current Beast now.
He hasn't changed at all, it's everything else that changed around him.

>>93989215
Bishop can't really talk when it comes to killing people.

>>94007230
... ... ... ... ... ?

Sarcasm doesn't translate well online.
Are you being serious?

>>94007277
Cop logic. Remember, he was the Judge Dredd type dystopia future cop.

>>94007201
I personally find he also tends to reaction to the way things should actually happen but don't because writers refuse to consider the consequences of actions.
Take this issue where Gambit exploded a national monument in what basically would be considered a terrorist attack by half of Europe. We know that not a damn thing will probably come of it but Beast would actually get mad at Gambit and try to run damage control to lessen mutant hatred while lecturing Gambit.
Then everything would go horribly wrong and he'd be considered a race traitor for trying to stop a legitimate problem since the writers didn't care about making it actually happen.

Cyclops mutates millions of people against their will while obviously setting the planet on fire? Beast is horrified and justifiably scared for the backlash this would normally cause against a mutantkind that has no experience to defend itself with. Think of how most mutant origins go. They start with an angry mob. A large chunk of the new mutants should have ended up culled from taking the blame for AvsX right off the bat.
Writers do nothing with it so he's clearly a race traitor.

Beast keeps on getting more and more paranoid since nothing happening means there's a secret villain plot behind all this.
IvsX comes along and he does the whole peaceful solution thing since clearly this is actually a plot to make X-men and Inhumans fight each other by a nefarious 3rd party villain that mutants and inhumans must team up to overcome. Nah. it was just Emma going crazy and the inhumans really were genocidal maniacs all along.
Beast has a really bad problem with not adapting to the new status quo.

>>94007624

well this is really my whole point. With even a little shift in tone any one of these events changes drastically but the writer wants beast to look like an asshole? He looks like an asshole.

>>94007201
tl;dr

>>94007708
This whole thing makes me want to write a surrealist comic where it turns out that Beast is slowly acquiring 4th wall powers and it's driving him mad since he can see how ridiculous the world is getting as he struggles in vain to keep to the way things "should be."

>>94007780
that was basically the motivation for one of Gwenpool's villains, a doombot that lost all its ambition due to an accident, so all the genius of doctor doom without the megalomaniacal filter of doom was going insane with how stupid the marvel world of superheroes is

>>93988986
That's not the Astonishing X-men I used to know....

>>94007201
>Quitting the X-Men in protest of Rightclops' murder policies was to take a moral stand that didn't involve dropping a dime on Cyke.
Explain why he didn't do a damn thing when he found out that Wolverine continued X-Force in secret

>>93989405
Is this King-man or Spider-pin?

>>93989091
>focus totality
Yup, it's Betsy alright

Lol at Gambit being Fanto's bitch