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Batgirl thread
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How does this image make you all feel?
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>>93968712
Switch Cass and Steph and it's accurate
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>>93968712
Barbara works better as Oracle.
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>>93968712
I love all Batgirls equally.
>tho Babs is my favorite
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>>93968784
>liking worst girl the most
Babs is a cunt at best and a badly written womanchild at worst
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>>93968649

If they weren't dykes before this page, they sure are now.

>>93968678

>imaginging this page with
>>93968649's scars

Hnng.
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>>93968601
New costume when
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in b4 fragile white male autists say she's a feminist character
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I don't remember anything about babs batgirl character other than her wanting to fuck older guys and getting wet for Killer moth and then wondering why Dick hits and quits her.
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>>93968601
Uhhggg my dick
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>>93968846
That's because she literally has no character beyond being a love interest
At least Cass and Steph have distinguishable personalities
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>>93968821
Batwoman is the literal feminist character and I like her more than babs
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>>93968846
That's cause you get all your info seconhand from /co/
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>>93968712
> stupid people

Well obviously your right anon cause a stupid person made that pic cause that's Helena and not Cass. Troll better!
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>>93968784

I love all Batgirls too, but...

Cass is the superior version out of all of them.
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>>93968891
Just because you don't like her doesn't mean she doesn't have a personality.
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>>93968961
makes it more accurate at least.
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>>93969023

It does.
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>>93968805
Nah Babs is the best.
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>>93968819

Probably in another year or so. #25 more than likely.
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>>93968994
I just wish we can enjoy all of the Batgirls in peace.
>Bette is the GOAT
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>>93969134
>He better be looking
Slut
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>>93969134
Babs has the cutest keister
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>>93968712
>Stephgirl
>People with SHIT taste

Fixed.
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I feel so bad for Barbara. For everyone's anniversary they get a new event story (Batman, Joker, and Dick). Barbara's?

She gets a over-sized hardcover and that's it. Hell not even an all Batgirls issue. Just Barbara being thirsty.
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>>93968712
Like I'm back in 2009.
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Why no love for Bette?
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>>93969602

#1 no reading list. Like literally we have one for Steph, Cass, and Barbara. Bette? Does anyone know where to begin with that?

#2 She's played second fiddle to Kate or Kathy.

#3 Causal only knows her as Flamebird.
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>>93968601
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>>93968601
Should Cassandra have a love interest? Who?
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>>93970008
Justice.
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>>93970008
The Bat-Vibrator.
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>>93970008

Justice. since a threeway is out of the question right now.
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So I was thinking of joining in on the storytime of PAIN Weekend and was thinking of doing Batgirl. Which one would be more PAINFUL: Robin OYL, Batgirl Vol. 2 or either run in Batgirl Vol. 4 (Simone's or Burnside)?
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Is it the old Batwoman or Batgirl that's with Spyral now?
Because if it's Kathy, that would be a cool story to tell with Steph, Babs, and Cass teaming up against her.
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>>93970436
Kathy
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>>93970008
Threesome with Steph and Tim
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>>93970421
Simone's Batgirl isn't painful it's just sort of dull. Batgirl Vol. 2 is probably the worst
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>>93970645

Gotcha. I might do that anon!
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>>93968784
Talk to me when Babs has a good comic as Batgirl besides BG: Year One.
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>>93969313

What amatuer webcomic is this from?
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>>93971301

Burnside Batgirl.
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>>93970645
>Simone's Batgirl isn't painful it's just sort of dull.
Liar.
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I can't fathom how people actually like Babs or Steph. Babs is at least skilled but holy shit she is annoying cunt and Steph is an annoying cunt but in addition to being dangerously incompetent. Even as a mute Cass was infinitely more sympathetic character, and not because of any waifuing.
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I was about to make a thread relevant to this.

If I wanted to finally get around to reading Batgirl, where do I start?
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>>93971354
Did they fuck?
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>>93971572
Which Batgirl?
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>>93971572
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>>93971617
Surprise me
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>>93971651
Batgirl vol 1 and 3
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>>93971651
Start with Batgirl: Year one
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>>93971478
I liked Barbara as Oracle. Even though I preferred her as Oracle I still like her.

I'm not a huge Steph fan but she probably has an appeal as the funniest of the three.
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>>93971972
Nice
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>>93971651

Start with Batgirl Year One then read Batgirl Vol. 1. Then forget the living hell there's a Vol. 2 go straight to Volume 3. After that? You're on your own anon.
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>>93971796

Stephanie is the better modern Batgirl. She's more relatable. They molded chunks of her character to better suit the modern era way better than they have with Barbara.

That's not also to mention that in her small twenty-four issue run she forged better more believable friendships with Damian, Kara, Squire, and Klarion.

It's amazing how much Miller crammed in those issues. It's also amazing that nothing DC has done since with these three runs (Simone, Burnside, and Rebirth). There isn't a single Barbara story currently that Stephanie hasn't perfected. Cass is still the superior Batgirl with an amazing run and subsequent issues after.
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>>93972367

And looking at the various comics, even Simone knows this fact too. Her best issues are the batshit insane Future's End: Batgirl one-shot and Convergence: Nightwing & Oracle mini.
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>>93969251

Chubby Cass?
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>>93968649
where is this from?
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>>93972367
Miller's run isn't as good as Year One and some Birds of Prey.
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>>93972538
The Outsiders, or Batman and the Outsiders. I think it is from the early 2000s Judd Winnick time period
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>>93968678
I don't care what giant monster they're running from, people are going to stop and look at a lady undressing
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>>93971632
Is this her first appearance as Batgirl, or as a character? She looks pretty interesting, so I'd like to see her from the beginning, before she took the mantle and stuff.
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>>93972853
As a character. Those are pretty much all her appearances before Flashpoint.

Cass' first appearance in No Man's Land is kind of abrupt, but cool. The NML novel does a better job of Cass' time as Oracle's assistant.
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>>93971632
Is she supposed to be Asian?
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You've been a very bad girl, Batgirl.
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>>93968649
Cass a shit.
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>>93972990
So would I need to read NML to get a full picture, or can I just jump in? Might read NML anyway desu.
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>>93972992
Yep half Asian and white.
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>>93972992
half
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>>93972992
Half-Asian.
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>>93970498
Whatever happened to Kathy Kane anyways
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>>93973020
Honestly, I would read the book or listen to the audiobook instead since they cut out some stuff and adds good stuff.
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Whose brilliant idea was it to give two Bat people the same surname, but spelled differently?
Kane and Cain come on DC
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>>93969881
Now we're talkin'
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>>93973086
Cut some stuff out of what? No Man's Land? Also, which book do you mean 'read'? I'm looking at the list for NML and it cuts out Batman #567, so idk.
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>>93973173
https://www.amazon.com/Batman-Mans-Land-Greg-Rucka/dp/0671038281/ref=la_B000AQ0860_1_27?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1500422502&sr=1-27&refinements=p_82%3AB000AQ0860
Greg Rucka wrote a novelization of the comic crossover event. Some of the comic events were omitted or only mentioned in the novel for space reasons or because they were dumb.
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>>93968733
>Cass
be less pleb
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Babs loves little boys.
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>>93973396
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>>93973090

To be fair Kane surname wasn't used for a long time. Kathy was killed off in Pre-Crisis and Kane surname never showed up until 52.

So there's an almost thirty-year gap of DC not using Kane surname and instead just going with Cain.
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>>93973427
> all the Batgirls and their Robins of their respective eras were paired together.
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>>93971972
No, it's supposed to be Tim and Cass sharing Steph, not Cass and Steph sharing Tim.
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>>93973547
There's a reason Tim became the shameless self-insert Robin when they wanted to make him more like Robin by killing his dad in Identity Crisis.
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>>93973264
Do you have any online versions? I got the first volume but I need the others.
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>>93973396
Babs likes older guys. I bet she would call Moth daddy in the heat of the moment.
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>>93973810
I can't be the only who read that story where she takes Batmans place in the Arkham Asylum game and fucks all the inmates, right?

cus it was pretty hot...
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>>93973810

Funny thing is. I didn't intend that. It just feels more natural to me for all three to be together even prior to all that. I've read them since the late 90s to Pre Flashpoint and it made more logical sense Other than Tim/Kon which also kind of does. Then again Tim/Kon/Cass also make sense, which is why I wrote a smutty comic about it.
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>>93972998
>>93973810
I like the idea that the lamest Batman villain is actually a DILF.
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>>93974037
Got a link to that?
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>>93974390
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>>93972265
Sounds like she's jealous of fictional characters having a larger chest than her
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>>93968712
makes me want to see the full Cass image.
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>>93972265
Sounds like somebody's insecure. Isn't the whole point of feminism that a woman can be whatever the fuck she wants?
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>>93976226
I think it's nore about lazy artists who rely on one body type,poses that don't fit the scenes, and the inability to draw clothes.
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>>93974609

You're evil anon.
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>>93977900
If Betty ever comes back, I really hope they ignore what happened to her in Batwoman. Especially the terrible costume and name change.
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>>93978064
Glad I'm not the only one who thought that was fucked up.
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>>93978130
Yeah, that new costume was a real mess.

Oh, and Bette's brutal beating and capture by the authorities while Kate and Maggie consummated their love was a really disturbing juxtaposition.
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>>93978064

Why does Bette have a flaming cape? Shouldn't that be kind of harmful to her?
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>>93978216
It was very pretty, but very, very fucked up
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>>93978225
The cape is merely yellow. What is burning is that phoenix outline in the background because JHWIII loves weird paneling.
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>>93978216
Also wasn't a fan of how Kate's father treated her whule she's recovering.
>you gotta be more like Kate, if you were kate this wouldn't have happened, Kate is so much stronger than you
Like fuck you Batwoman Bette is her own character and is a world famous tennis champion. She was winning Wimbledon while Kate was being a drunk lazy fuck.
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Babs is a qt
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>>93971478
Some people like a lighthearted fun story of a character growing up instead of a ridiculously dark backstory combined with an almost nihilisticically tragic storytelling format. Oh, and superpowers. I don't care, when you tell me that Cass has meta level speed, she has superpowers.
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>>93972259
This is a good suggestion. Batgirl Year One for the best of Babs, Cass's Batgirl (at least the Puckett run, that was recently completed in the trade reprints), then Steph's Batgirl run.
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>>93978575
yes
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>>93972367
Yup - Miller's run has a few flaws - the handling of Cass (inb4), some art issues (I like Garbett's style and designs, but he can be really inconsistent, especially with Steph in the cowl - sometimes has super uggo face), and the somewhat rushed ending caused by the n52. But it's still a masterpiece of a run.
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>>93972752
No, it's from Dixon's brief (10 issues) run in 2007-2008. Some of the best Cass writing after her evil phase was fixed. (Sadly, also some of the only writing for her.) It's a really, really fun team book.>>93972678
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>>93972678
That's definitely not true. Dixon and Beatty created a great work in Year One, but it has a few problems - with stakes, with some issues just being about setup for other stuff (Birds of Prey, Oracle, etc). BQM's run with Steph isn't perfect, but it's much richer simply by dint of being longer but maintaining the same quality.
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>>93978064
Man, everybody be hatin' on Flamebird and Hawkfire. I loved that storyline for Bette - it's what made me a fan of her character.
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>>93978575
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>>93970008
Conner.
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>>93978813
>but it's much richer simply by dint of being longer but maintaining the same quality

I actually think Year One benifited from being shorter. I think it felt tighter and had less loose ends.
I remember reading Miller's run and being sort of dissapointed about how some of the storylines wrapped up or were abandoned. Although I guess that's not Miller's fault.
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>>93978741

Look I know Miller's run has it's problems. But considering the shit he got stuck with? And we still got what we got? The dude turned what should have been a turd (see Batgirl Vol. 2) and turned it gold.

I agree there are problems with it. Cass is one thing (but he was saddled with the NO CASS edict which he was going to overturn if he continued the series, and he was burdened with Barbara who basically was in a horrible place too as well. The rushed Gray Ghost subplot at the end is another. But-- to turn out what he did?

But the Cass stuff? I pin more on the higher ups. Least Miller gave us one more good Cass/Steph team-up (which was SORELY needed).
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>>93978919
>someone liking something I don't like.
RRRRREEEEEEEEthat's completely fine, my opinions are not concrete fact.
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>>93979074
Yes, I am also disappointed that the Cluemaster plotline didn't really resolve, and the Reapers were wrapped up so easily, and the friendships that were developing were cut short. But the main thing - Steph growing up and winning, and Babs and the rest of the team coming alongside her when she needed them, and letting her work alone when she was ready - that worked incredibly well.

Here we go.
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>>93979108
Sorry if I sounded like I was harsh on Miller's run - it is, without question, my favorite thing in all comics, and I'm incredibly proud of my complete run (including Red Robin: Collision, and the single issue of Bruce Wayne: The Road Home) - AND I'm considering rebuying the new collection, at least digitally, to support BQM and Steph. It's a bloody triumph. I just don't want to be blind to its weaknesses, lest someone accuse me of blind waifuing.

I mean. Steph is my fave. Always was, always will be. But this is a legitimately great series.
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>>93978741
>But it's still a masterpiece of a run.
I don't know of I'd go that far. It was a fun collection of light-hearted stories but it didn't really move the needle enough to be considered a masterpiece.
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>>93979218

And Cass is my favorite, but I cannot overlook even if it was a slight to Cass, how it was a good comic and Steph finally getting her time to shine. >>93979253

Considering what came after and prior to it? It's a bloody masterpiece. It may not be a perfect masterpiece but it's a bloody good one.
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>>93979253
The careful construction, all concluding with "It's only the end if you want it to be" and "Here we go" is really, really strong writing, and the art team of Garbett, Perez, and Nguyen all did some of the strongest design and storytelling work of their careers. I'm comfortable calling it a masterpiece.

It's not really its fault that it was basically the best version of all the Burnside type runs or Tumblr-grabbing Marvel runs, but too early for DC to really see the potential and push it.
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It's just weird that this is the closest we've gotten to all the Batgirls teaming up. Literally in all the various media this was the longest team-up of all three we ever got.

Oh sure we got a tease in Batman: The Brave & the Bold and at the end of Miller's Batgirl run. But this was it. How can DC fuck-up such a good idea?
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>>93968601

Yo it's my least favorite member of the Bat-family.
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>>93979558
Maybe it'll happen in Gotham City Garage
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>>93979558
Is this the one with roided-up Barbara?
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>>93979582
Worse than Bluebird? Or Duke?
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>>93979601
Except that I'm worried we're getting another Bombshells, where literally everyone except Steph and Cass show up.

>>93979610
Yep, that's the one.
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>>93979610

Yes. Which is when I discovered a new fetish. >>93979601

I wish. If it hasn't happened in Bombshells (why Cass or Steph haven't shown up yet yet Harper "freaking" Row has), it ain't happening in Gotham City Garage.
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>>93979646
Well. I think we have more of a chance, since Lanzig and Kelly are less idiotic than Bennett.
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>>93979646
You mean fan favorite Harper Row.
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>>93979680

Shut-up Tynion. The only thing I enjoy about her is the subtextual relationship you've bounced from Steph to her with Cass. That is all!
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>>93979708
Cass? Oh you mean Orphan.
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>>93968601
I do have to say - that picture is such a good imitation of Artgerm's style, but even more lewd.
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>>93968601
I love babs and I keep up with her rebirth run but I hope she gets a new costume sometime soon
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>>93979846
> we never got more lewd Barbara was the Burnside artist.

Why? That was really the best thing she gave us!
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>>93979900
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>>93978767
I am googling but finding nothing. Nothing on his bibliography either.
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>>93980145

That's curious. He did write Batman & the Outsiders Vol. 2 unless he's making sure not to bring that up cause well. He rage-quitted from it.
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>>93969881
i hate this.
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>>93979218
>and the single issue of Bruce Wayne: The Road Home

You mean the comic where Steph goes "Fuck you Bruce, it's all your fault I died after stealing your plans and accidentally launching a city wide gang war in War Games due to my own stupidity. I own Batgirl now because I say so!"

All that comic did was portray Steph as an immature narcissistic piece of shit who dumped all responsibility to other people rather than owning up to it, and we were supposed to praise her for it? C'mon.
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>>93968649
Best Batgirl ever.
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that fanart of robin tied to batgirl and lovin' crimefighting...
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>>93968649
S M U G
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>>93979038
This man is correct
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>>93968712
>Stephanie Brown
>people with taste
>incites a gang war which gets herself killed
>people with taste.
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>>93973748
I like how this pic makes cass seem like the alpha in this relationship.
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>>93983182
It was pretty clear that Tim and Steph were Cass' sidekicks when they teamed up back in the day.
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>>93969460
holy fuck
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>>93969460
God bless Frank Cho.
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>>93974390
It's been deleted, but if you google "Katmandu12 Batgirl" it'll show up, he did all four arkham games, but the first two stories are the best. You probably have to search each chapter individually.

Happy fapping.
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>>93983730
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>>93984502
I hope they give Cass a Rider-like costume after this Orphan bullshit is finished.
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>>93984531
I hope they give her back her original costume. It would make for a good contrast with those other modern costumes with all the unnecesary piping and padding, emphasising her as a purely physical character.
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>>93980352
https://www.comixology.com/Batman-and-the-Outsiders-1/digital-comic/14349
First ten issues. They're great!

Also, he didn't rage-quit. He was fired without notice. He would have stayed on Batman and the Outsiders and Robin for another 100 issues if DC hadn't been jerks.
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>>93981807
Aha! I was wondering how long the "Steph deserved to be tortured to death" contingent would take to show up.

The whole series of Batgirl is Steph trying to make good for what she screwed up. This is one issue addressing the fact that Bruce set her up to fail.
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>>93968649
>>93984618
More like ASSandra Cain, amirite
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>>93983071
You're really committed, anon.
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>>93984759
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>>93984618
And they wouldn't even have to make her Batgirl. Blackbat would fit too OH WAIT Tynion doesn't like the Blackbat title for Cass nevermind
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>>93984887
Oooh, I love the profile effect. Still not sure about the ragged cape, but in this image, it looks amazing.
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>>93984906
Aren't there legal issues associated with that name?
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>>93984935
I was really hoping that Cass would steal Dr. Daedalalus's smoke cape from Batman Inc. since it looked cool as hell.
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>>93984531
>>93984618
I was hoping that at the end of Cass's arc in Tec she would get a new costume. Tim had a new costume at the beginning of the first arc and Steph got her old Spoiler mask in her arc so I thought maybe Cass would get a new, more Batlike costume reminiscent of her old costume. But that didn't happen. We didn't even get to see her go to that fucking ballet for Christ's sake.
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>>93985123
I agree that a change of name and costume for Cass would be solid. But I still really liked League of Shadows because of the whole Shadow dancing thing.
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>>93984940
People say there are. But why didn't they come up when she was using it then?
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Does anyone think there's likely to be a change in direction for Babs? Both of her titles are selling at cancellation level or just above, and she's still not really integrated into the Batfamily very well right now - hasn't been since the n52, really, though sometimes there was an effort made, like in Batman and Robin during Robin Rises. I'm personally convinced that DC is riding the Burnside train until it's below 10,000 per month, but anyone think a change before then is likely? And if so, what kind of change?
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>>93985720
Someone puts her on a wheelchair again.
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>>93985720
Babs and her stupid hipster bullshit are too iconic to be cancelled.
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>>93985733
DC's spent the last 6 years proving they hate wheelchair Babs. I don't think that's going to happen.

>>93985920
Yeah. I sometimes feel alone in mainstream comics fandom for hating Burnside, even the first arc.
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>>93985920
She's basically DC's Miles Morales now: a dull non-entity who benefits from name recognition.
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>>93985994
I think she's shooting for the same audience and recognition, but I don't think they're really that comparable besides that.
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>>93985994
>dull non-entity
Thatvs a dull non-critique. It's not enough to say a character is boring, we must understand why.
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Daily reminder that Cassandra has shown very clear signs that she wants Batman to fuck her.
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>>93986387
What about "paper thin characterization, painfully dated, and incredibly whiny"?
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>>93986667
What makes her characterization paper thin?
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>>93986907
It relies heavily on either cutesy tics that don't really make sense in a plausible behavior way, or completely plot dependent. Also, she's whiny as heck about things that shouldn't matter, when she's often dealing with life and death issues. But I don't think the writers intend her to be whiny, they're just incredibly bad at writing a character who struggles with the work/life balance.
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>>93986980
What are cutsey tics?
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>>93987147
What is "What are cutesy tics?"
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>>93987147
Getting coffee, loving attention and selfies and tech and dating EVERY BOY in the comic.
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>>93987203
A question.
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>>93968649
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>>93987242
What is a question?
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>>93986907
Are you trolling? Or do you actually have a point to make other than annoying Burnside haters?
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Enough of this. Have Cass.
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>>93968649
>>93981879
Her face looks kinda Asian. Is that intentional?
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>>93987558
She's half Asian. Daughter of Lady Shiva
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>>93987310
Something you ask.
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>>93987644
What is "something"?
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>>93984739
>This is one issue addressing the fact that Bruce set her up to fail.

And it tried to shift all the blame on other people rather than Steph owning up to it. Like everything in the run, it tried to just jump to the point where it coukd have its cake and eat it too without actually doing the leg work to earn it.
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>>93987696
Could be anything.
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>>93987614
Goddamn sign me up! I remembered a small paperback I got years ago and thought I recognized the face. Truly best bat girl.
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>>93987730
Is "anything" "something?
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>>93985720
>and she's still not really integrated into the Batfamily very well right now

So what, every issue needs to be Batman and co. helping her out? That's not how solo books work.
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>>93987746
Well it's not like it could be nothing.
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>>93987497
That pic is doing it for me and I'm not sure why.
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>>93987789
Why "something" instead of "nothing"?
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>>93987826
Well that's how everything need to start out as.
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>>93987863
Nothing is nothing, and nothing can start from nothing. I think I will start something of my own. Good bye.
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Now that the special needs dialectics class is over, post batgirls
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>>93987996
Reminder that Cass always goes commando
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>>93988087
Also she cannot write or read.
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>>93987716
There was blame that Bruce needed to shoulder. As I said (and you ignored), the rest of the series is Steph trying to take responsibility for her past failures, and make good decisions instead of bad now.
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>>93988087
Her arm looks like a second breast. The anatomy is still a bit wonky, but less than when I realized it was an arm. :)
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>>93985179
Because the Dynamite ongoing didn't come out till middle of Case's Black Bat run.
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>>93988087
Why does her chest always get bigger when someone cuts that area?
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>>93988425
Ah. I see. DC could just claim it did it first, then!
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>>93988301
Not wonky, stylized. Which is for the better considering the kinetic nature of the character.
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>>93988470
No constraints.
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>>93988270
Bruce never walked away from feeling guilt over how he treated Steph and where it ultimately lead to.
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Cass never got her own bat-themed gadgets, but at least she got her own pad, house, and cave.
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>>93988607
You can make that argument. I'm generally a fan of the stylized style of the early 2000s DC house style that Scott was helping shape/participate in, but I think his stuff often goes over the bounds of kinetic style into goofy. Particularly the boobs. I don't find them sexy, like Power Girl, they're just weirdly implausible.

>>93988702
Freaking yes he did. Did you even read War Games, where he almost literally says, "I don't need to feel guilt anymore because Leslie killed her"? And if he felt so much guilt, why didn't he give her a memorial?

>>93988769
Three caves! :) And Cass have never struck me as liking gadgets - that's why the line in Future's End rung so true, when she told Steph she relies too much on her tech.
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>>93988796
Scott is very alright in my book. Guy pulled off some crazy perspectives.
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>>93988853
I'm a fan. He's just not my fave. I wish Noto had done more Cass issues.
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>>93986593
>Cassandra has shown very clear signs that she wants Batman to fuck her.
Don't lie to me anon. S-sauce on the info?
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>>93988853

Also he did my favorite version of Cass'
mask by making it super expressive without being Spidey-lite
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>>93985163
I liked the League of Shadows arc too. It's just I was expecting something big for Cass to happen by the end of it, be it a new costume or title or being adopted by Bruce, etc.
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>>93988533
Can't. Black Bat is a pulp character aka the Shadow. They couldn't do shit.
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>>93988931
In some of the earlier issues they act as a tv couple with UST

Then in issue 50 they have an issue long fight which is a thinly veiled metaphor for sex.
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>>93989009
I mean, I can see that - but all of the arcs for the characters have very much been part of a much larger arc - Tim's "death", Steph leaving the team, and now Cass and the League/Ra's/Colony - it's all building, probably until issue #1000. That being said, I'm all on board for both a new costume and codename.

>>93989015
Oh, I see. Suck. I really like Black Bat for Cass. Thanks for telling me, though.
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>>93989009
I enjoyed till the end. I wanted Bruce, Cass and Kate at the ballet. End the darn story on a happy note. Not more damn darkness.
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>>93988987
>there will never be a The Raid-styled Batgirl movie starring Cass with a Deadpool animated mask
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>>93989042
This issue was so good. But not sexual - it had a total parental/mentor vibe. ALSO, Rick Leonardi is one of the best artists on this series - I'm still so mad that his art for the Convergence: Batgirl issues was so terrible.

>>93989082
They had Kate in a tux, saying they were going out. I thought it was implied enough to make me happy.
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>>93989098
FUUUU---

Oh /co/, why do you make me wish for things that will never happen?
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>>93968712
>How does this image make you all feel?
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>>93989211
>Cass vs the Riddler
>Leaves written riddles
>wtf
>punches everyone until she gets to the Riddler.
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>>93989262
WANT! That's hilarious and awesome.
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>>93989306
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>>93989262
I think it would be pretty neat if the riddler catches on and figues out a way to leave a riddle for cass to solve.
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>>93971293
Oh fuck I remember this comic.
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>>93990430
Pure thoughts, chum.
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>>93990515
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>>93990430
>that first panel
Fuck me
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>>93968601
...Ooh, I say.
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I'm confused, anons. Is Cass for sexual or not?

It's pretty clear that the other two are cum guzzling mattresses, but I don't know what to make of Cass.
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>>93990788
Cass is for pining.
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>>93990788
That blond mattress is my waifu, jerk!
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>>93990835
>>93990788
Cass is for voyeurism.
You can look but you can't touch.
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>>93990788
Let's ask her.
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>>93990788

Cass is A-Pex Predator you are the prey.
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>>93990430

Two of Tim's kryptonites: Asian woman in open masked Batgirl suit. Now if she was doing this all on a jet ski. Fuck he'd be a wreck.
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>>93991095
>Tim, why is Asianwomenonjetskis.com bookmarked on the batcomputer?
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>>93968601
Female BATMAN now?

Go back to tumblr, faggot
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>>93990788
Cass is for painful delivery of justice
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>>93991152

> Tim why are there a bunch of videos of asian women in batgirl costumes on jet skis on this jump drive hooked to the bat computer?
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>>93991308
That's Babs, silly, not Kate.

>>93991321
How the heck can you tell they're Asian when they have full face masks?
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>>93991338
He's Batman.
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>>93991386
That's what she said...
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>>93991338

Open mask. That's Tim's one of his fetishes. If it's not opened masked. He just doesn't care. If it's open and he can see their hair, eyes, and mouth them doing bad ass shit. Boner achieved.
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>>93991465
You may have a point...
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>>93990788
Reminder that her unconscious mind associates sex with evil and she was going to become a catholic hero before Infinite Crisis.
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>>93991538

Oh I have a good point knowing all three of Tim's fetishes.
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>>93991773
That was just a pitch. It was never approved.

I think it would have been awesome, though. :)
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>>93991773

Oh I'm sure if she stayed with Kon that the Kents would have given her a better talk about it than Bruce.
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>>93972777
The finished version had her using a changing room.
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>>93989098
>>93989191
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>>93991465
That tracks, the first time Tim really popped a boner for Cass was when she wore the old Babs costume. And while he seemed to think Steph was cute, he always seemed annoyed with her as Spoiler, with her full-face mask.
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>>93991853
Oh so it's asian women and Open masks, not asian women in open masks.
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>>93991853
>>93992074
>Tim is such a fanboy he can only get it up when Batgirl has a classic-style costume, because he's a die-hard DickBabs shipper.
Nuuuoh my god
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>>93991987
is it possible to find a trade for the animated series comics? I loved the character art. So damn charming.
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>>93991773
Cass had some amazing covers during that period.
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>>93992274
>unzips tim
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You know what would be great? A cartoon with all the batgirls.
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>>93992548
League of Batgirls cartoon would be a lot of win.
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>>93988087
Not always.
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>>93992681
This is from when she was on that cruise with Superboy and realized she isfor sexual right?
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>>93992747
Yes
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>>93992773
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>>93992681
Most times then.
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>>93992773
And it was Babs that gave her the bikini right?
>spreading her slutiness around
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>>93993108

Yep she gave Cass the bikini then realized later on she made a TERRIBLE mistake.
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>>93993231
>she made a TERRIBLE mistake
>>93992773
I don't see any mistakes here
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Another refreshing thing at the time was howCass didn't give a hoot about a secret I.D. If she didn't have the costume at hand, she would kick your ass without it.
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>>93993431

And that's when Batman grounded her by sticking her in her first bat cave until Barbara could fix that mess by finding the place that had the video of Cass on tape.
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>>93993421
Due to a combination of Cass not having any experience with/context for lust, her ability to read peoples bodies and wearing a bikini on a cruise ship chock full of young men and women she gets confused/upset when all around her she's seeing people yelling (via body language) 'wanna fuck, wanna fuck, wanna fuck?!'

But fortunately Superboy saves her.
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>>93993933
...By yelling 'wanna fuck / I'm superboy'
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>>93976489
nah, it's definately the itty-bitty-titty committee bitching about positive portrayals of large-breasted women.
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>>93994043

Cass knew he was crushing on her way before then. Her in a itty bitty bikini only heightened what his body was saying with him. .
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Wait this is slowly turning into another Cass thread isn't it?
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>>93968805

Assblasted Cassfag detected.
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>>93994533
we cassfans miss /ourgal/
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>>93994533
"turning"?

It became one 200 posts ago.
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>>93972259

They look like dudes.

Seriously, look at dem manfaces on Babs and Steph,
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>>93994600
Well, I'm here trying to keep the Steph side up.
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>>93994611

I'm a Cass fan but I've been keeping all three equally. even if I don't mind at all with this.
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Cass and Steph were good friends, why should their fans fight?
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>>93994638
Good! I would definitely encourage more Batgirl trio encouragement, rather than the internecine "kick all of them where it hurts" approach that tends to show up.

>>93994688
They shouldn't. But they do, sadly.
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>>93994757
The whole Steph as robin thing was weird tho
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>>93994688

Beacause Cassfags are cowardly lot that hate every Batgirl that isn't their martial arts Waifu.
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>chanx being a cheeky shit
>spoiler
>spoiler
>spoiler

No it's Batgirl now, she used to be Spoiler
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>>93994688

I love both even if I have a slight edge to another. But I don't mind Stephanie at all. I consider her the second best Batgirl. It's just that DC kind caused the split by fucking over Cass hard (again) and Stephanie was the one they replaced her with. I can see the anger but Stephanie was a worthy replacement. DC still needs to put them back in being Batgirls.
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>>93994769
You mean AWESOME?

I really, really wish we'd gotten more Steph Robin and Cass Batgirl team ups.
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>>93994790
>>93994803
I haven't seen these Garbett's before - are the commissions?
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>>93994783

HA! You do realize two of us already said we don't mind Steph at all right?

>>93994817

I need to get the funds one day for that artist to do a Cass and complete the "trilogy".
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>>93994837
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>>93994834
dunno, got them out of a batgirl thread a while back
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>>93994881
Cool!
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>>93994881

They were on http://www.comicartfans.com/mainartforsale.asp here I believe.
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>>93994922
Alfred truly is the heart of the Batclan.
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>>93994979
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>>93994769
More like Steph as Batgirl was the weirdest thing.

Her whole point as Robin was to show she was a complete failure as a hero and wasn't cut out for it, which is why Batman fired her after she got a bunch of people killed by disobeying him.

Then this idiot girl that said she only does the hero thing for fun and abandoned her baby gets spared from death and the mantle of Batgirl?

Actual blatant SJW shit from people that don't read comics complaining a FICTIONAL girl was "mistreated" in some manner. She existed alongside CASSANDRA CAIN and she's basically a living God, you can't have a female character shown to be an idiot, bad person and failure...really? even if you have good ones?

Whatever
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How do you guys feel about All-Star Barbara?
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>>93995126
This. This is why Steph fans don't get along with Cass fans.
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I wish they'd just totally overhaul the entire Batfamily system, with multiple Batgirls and Robins. Something like

- Nightwing (Dick) and Robin #5 (Damian) working together in Bludhaven, since their chemistry is so great. Maybe Bruce can send Damian to live with Dick because he feels that Damian can use more fun in his life, and who's more fun than Dick?
- Batgirl #2 (Cass) and Robin #4 (Steph) working together in Gotham, taking care of gang violence and being the main team whenever Bruce is dealing with League business.
- Oracle (Babs) & Robin #3 (Tim) heading the information network side of things, with Tim basically acting as Oracle's main agent. Basically like the Batfamily's primary intelligence division.
- Batwoman (Katy) & Red Hood (Jason) dealing with certain less than savory shit. Jason's pretty gay anyway, so I'm sure they'd hit it off.

Batman (Bruce) can team up with whoever would make for the most interesting partner for a given story. So in one story, he's with Damian, and in another he's with Steph, so on, so forth.

I dunno, wouldn't that be kinda cool? Or is it a stupid idea?
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>>93995181
Awesome design, some fun writing, but really weird place in the story, and bizzare story cliffhanger and motivation.
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>>93995126
Fictional women deserve special treatment too, anon!
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>>93995225
I like it!
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>>93995278
Maybe, just maybe, not all sexism is imagined by feminists.
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>>93995225
I'd rather see more unconventional team-ups.
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>>93995421
As long as they are CUTE
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>>93995349
In this case it was.

It was the story of a girl that was a failure and not cut out to be Robin let alone Batgirl. But apparently...that's not okay lol

Despite the fact she existed along side tons of female role models.
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>>93995126
>She actually gave up Batman's identity

It's unfathomable that anyone could actually side with or like her. There's other girls you can like, she isn't one of them. She betrayed everything it meant to be a hero. Self insert as another girl, please, for your own sake.
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>>93995449
Other than the editorially mandated War Drums/Games idiocy, where is Steph such a screwup? Dixon clearly had her on a path to a lot of improvement. He'd been gone for two years by the time she was Robin, but he had wanted to make her Robin for at least half a year, and leave the role not because of failure, but because Batman wasn't comfortable with a female partner.
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>>93995496
Okay, it's you again.

Show me the panel where she tells Black Mask Batman's identity.

Show it to me.
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>>93995503
1. Abandoned her kid, stated reason that she wasn't mature enough to handle this
(But when her live improves she's somehow mature enough to bear the weight of literally MILLIONS of lives on her shoulders in Gotham, but not take care of her kid...???)
2. Admitted she was a hero for fun, not to help people
3. Revealed Batman's identity to a supervillain

She's pretty much THE WORST candidate for Batgirl outside of some 50 year old dude that rapes children.
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>>93995592
She didn't abadoned her kid, she ensure that he want to a better home than single teengage mother.
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>>93995592
>Admitted she was a hero for fun
What's wrong with that?
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>>93995680
If she can't even take care of child why the fuck is she trying to take care of literally MILLIONS of people in Gotham? Stopping monters, nukes and other stuff...but 1 kid is too much?

C'mon

Everybody in Gotham apparently doesn't need saving if Stephanie Brown can't handle 1 kid but can handle those kinds of threats...
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>>93995724
If alarm bells don't go off for you when they say they only do the job because "it's fun and exciting" then I'm genuinely worried for your well being.
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Cass is basically an anime character and waifism is half the reason people like her.
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>>93995755
Cause raising a child and being a superhero are two vastly different thing that are not at all comparable.
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Babs is best. It's really a shame that she got turned into trendy social media girl. She was awesome as Oracle and her Year One was fantastic. I'm really hoping her non Burnside movie brings her back.
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>>93995680
Bruce says he'll take care of the kid forever, but she still never goes to see him or anything. She's not a good person, she can take care of him...but she just doesn't want to.
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>>93995794
>they say they only do the job because "it's fun and exciting
Post the panel where steph says she's only a superhero for fun.
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>>93995897
Yeah, being a superhero is MUCH, MUCH, MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH more difficult.

Being a superhero is fighting a bear without any weapons and your legs tied together every night. Sometimes 10 bears.

But no...a kid is worse, right?
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>>93995965
That's brilliant, give the baby to the guy with a dead kid under his utility belt.
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>>93995993
Financially, anon. You should have pieced that together yourself as you've never seen or heard of Batman's baby.
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>>93995965
Bruce never said that.
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>>93995897
A real hero would take care of their child.
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>>93996036
She did take care of the child.
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>>93996035
Yes, he did.

All the negative stuff said about her in this thread is true and happened in the comics regardless of whether or not you read them.

Lying and saying they didn't or demanding every single page to try and make it look like it's not true just because people don't walk around with the pages of everything they hate is just stupid of you, you're an idiot.
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>>93996049
That's like saying I took care of that rapist the police caught because "I let them do it for me"
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>>93996068
>All the negative stuff said about her in this thread is true
No, so far anon hasn't post one panel that backs up his claims
>>93995592
>she's only a hero for fun
>she revaled Batman's identity to black mask
>she abadoned her child
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Here's the 50 page dossier about the show's merchandising.
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>>93996112
One of those is right above your post and you're a moron

If you haven't read the comics you shouldn't even be talking about Stephanie Brown
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>>93996091
no it's like if your brother gets seriously sick and you tell him to go to a doctor so they can cure his pneumonia instead of just being stupid and buying him soup
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>>93996136
That page doesn't prove any of his claims.
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OK, so I really wanted to read up on Cass and how she got the mantle, but there's some shit stopping me. I took a look at some of the panels from NML and the art is absolutely fucking horrendous for Cass. Shit like this >>93992773 makes me just want to ignore the character compeletly.

Then I see art like this >>93992911 and she looks so damn cute that I want to read up on her straight away. Fug. How bad does it get in NML? I've literally got it downloaded but can't do it for fear of ruining her qtness.
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>People that actually read the Stephanie Brown story arc VS the casuals that don't know shit about Stephanie Brown and are her "fans" thread #520

I'm really tired of this shit
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>>93996159
>Literally talks about her baby she gave up and is clearly running around rooftops now instead of going and taking care of them + showing that Batman plans to financially support the kid forever

You're a bad person, straight up.
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>>93996068
>all the negative stuuf said about her is true.
Except she didn't abandoned her baby, she gave up for adoption.
And she isn't a superhero for fun, she did to stop to her father.
And she never told Batman's identity to Black mask, even after being gruesomely tortured.
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>>93996159
Are you drunk?
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>>93996200
Except that scene shows her dying.
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>>93996242
No, the page doesn't show her abandoning her baby or saying she's only a superhero for fun or that she told black mask Batman's secret identity.
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>>93996200
>you're a bad person
Why? IT'S A FICTIONAL BABY.
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>>93996231
>Except she didn't abandoned her baby, she gave up for adoption.
The basis of which is that she wasn't mature enough to handle it or in a good position. Her position improves, but she care more about running on rooftops than ensuring the safety of the child.
>And she isn't a superhero for fun, she did to stop to her father.
She straight up tells Cass/Tim (I don't remember which) that she does it for fun and because it's exciting.
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>>93996399
>She straight up tells Cass/Tim (I don't remember which) that she does it for fun and because it's exciting.
Prove it then, Post the panel.
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>>93996399
Nigga we know for a fact that she became spoiler to stop her dad, why the fuck are you lying?
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>>93996399
The baby is safe though, it's not like she threw her in the dumpster.
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>>93989630
Riddler could realize she isn't exactly slow, just thinking on a different wavelength. Make it so that Riddler having to think on a different level to make his games work, means the challenge is extra fun for him. And she has someone that learns to speak her language
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>>93996399
Giving up the baby is for adoption was the safer option, Being the child of single teengage mother who fights crime is not.
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>>93996433
>>93996492
I don't walk around with the pages on me, check the archive it's been posted before
>>93996520
>Baby safe in Gotham without constant superhero protection

Tell that to all the ones that Joker killed
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>>93996576
Then how can you be certain that you're even remembering correctly? You forgot who she was talking to, could it be that you forgot other detail?
>like what she actually said
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>>93996626
It's been posted multiple times, once by me in the past.

She 100% says it outright with no confusion, she does it for fun and excitement.
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>>93996650
But does she say >>93995794
she ONLY does it for fun and excitement?
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>>93996650
Yeah,cause being a superhero would be fun and exciting.
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>Anon asking to be educated about something they should already know

You guys should just actually read all the Stephanie Brown comics if you actually like her so much
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>>93996839
bitch i aint got time to read comics, i like her because shes blonde like me
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Damn did it get anti Stephanie.
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>>93969313
>tfw /co/ and leddits REEEing over the SJW conspiracy lost us that cutie bootie.

Fucking hate you people. Tarr's women were all 10/10
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>>93997025
When the people that have actually read her stuff show up they clash hard with the casuals that haven't, happens every time.
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>>93996182
A-Anyone?
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>>93997032
Those storyime were roughs.
>Barbara fights crime and saves the day
>REEEEEE SJW FEMINISM CAN'T LET ANYTHING BAD HAPPEN TO WOMYN
>Barbara tries to have a social life
>RRRRREEEEE TUMBLR WOMANCHILD LENA DUNHAM
>Barbara does somet-
>RRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>93995592
1. Giving up for adoption is not abandonment. If you can't see the difference, you have no business making moral decision.

2. She said she likes the fun. She also clearly wants to do the right thing. Did you not read the Robin/Spoiler special?

3. Fucking show me the fucking panel.
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>>93995755
>>93995794
>>93995965
>She's not a good person.

Well, Steph is a good person, but I see someone who isn't...
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>>93996068
One fucking panel where she told Black Mask (or ANYONE) that Bruce Wayne is Batman. Not asking for every page. Just one panel.
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>>93997245
Scott helped co-create her. I admit he's an aquired taste. But you'll have to stomach that art, which does improve in the ongoing. But you might try Gabyrch or Horrors when Leonardi show's up (#45).
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>>93996182
If you don't like Damion Scott, anon, you won't like NML. Damion Scott is only a slightly exaggerated version of DC's house style at the time.
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>>93996184
Moron. I've read every single one of Steph's appearances, and most of her references. I compiled the database behind the Steph Brown wikia, and wrote a huge number of the summaries for it. Your claims that Steph is a bad person are based solely on your own animus and hatred.
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>>93996200
good for you for pointing this out. Those people are a cancer.
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>>93996399
You say she should go to the parents who sacrificially took her baby into their home, break their hearts, just because it's her "duty" to be the mother?

You are the bad person.
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>>93998035
>>93998011
It's weird though, I loved TLH's art. I'll be giving it a try regardless. Can anyone tell me what order to read? I see there's a bunch of events leading to NML and I don't really want to drag it on forever. What's essential, that'll give me a feel of the surroundings and stuff?

Also, how different is 'A Novel' from the standard stuff?
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>>93996576
You're not disproving the fact that she became Spoiler to stop her dad, and make up for his crimes. Yes, she does enjoy it, and there are stories where she says that part of her motivation is the fun. But only part.

Also, you don't know that the baby was adopted within Gotham. Additionally, why would Steph taking care of the baby in Gotham be better?
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>>93996867
This post wins the internet tonight. Anon, you are my frand.

>>93996839
Gonna say this again: I have the database of Steph's appearances on my computer. I've read every single issue on it. Why do you know so much if you hate her so much?
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>>93997052
No, it's just you and your insane world where Steph told Black Mask Batman's identity.

Some of us have actually read and reread the comics, instead of reading them once, getting super high, and making up details that confirm your hateboner for Steph.
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>>93998160
The Long Halloween? Tim Sale's style isn't really comparable to other artists.

There's some good Cass reading lists on this thread, I think. The novel cuts out a ton, but not too much of Cass's stuff, I think, and has a very spare, muscular prose style typical of Rucka.
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>>93969460
That madman Cho can't be stopped
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>>93976489
I think you are looking for a different more "larpy" medium and not fantasy comics newfriend.

Which is cool, but maybe try visual novels about fantasy re-inactors and not comics. Those people think these fake standards you believe in, "reality" or what ever pose should fit the situation based on real life is important.

But since this is a fake medium about fantasy, none of those three points matter. Do you understand literature a bit better now?
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>>93994778
Steph's best costume was the gym uniform from that issue.
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>>93968712

It's such a lukewarm attempt at shit-flinging that the answer is "nothing":
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>>93996571
>Giving up the baby is for adoption was the safer option, Being the child of single teengage mother who fights crime is not.

The point is that she should have stopped fighting crime and focused on raising the baby. That was the responsible thing to do.

It's not like Gotham actually needs her with 30 other superheroes in it, all of which are better at their job than her. A baby OTOH does need a mother.
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>>93999685
>The point is that she should have stopped fighting crime and focused on raising the baby
Why? She wasn't ready to raise a kid, she was barely out of high school.
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>>93999685
>>93999899
>That was the responsible thing to do.
Cause Nothing says responsible like a low income teenage single mother.
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>>93972265
>"wah wah, why do my perfect olympian power-fantasies have unrealistic physiques and clothing!?!"
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>>93998327
>>93998219
>>93998194
I love when you guys don't read the comics either and support Stephanie, we don't need to read her books to like her!
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>>93998219
>Gonna say this again: I have the database of Steph's appearances on my computer. I've read every single issue on it. Why do you know so much if you hate her so much?
That's complete bullshit or you're incapable of understanding what you read, what are you, a goldfish?
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>>94000304
Post the panel that prove they don't read comocs.
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>>94000608
Post the panels where Steph says she didn't abandon her baby, didn't get a lot of people killed in a gang war she started by disobeying Batman, didn't get fired by Batman and told she wasn't cut out to be a hero...

I'm waiting!
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>>94000635
>Post the panels where Steph says she didn't abandon her baby
It doesn't exist...because she never her abandoned her baby.
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>>93968712
>Stephanie Brown
>people with taste
Yeah, shit taste.
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>>93969134
>Okay. Mortified, stupefied, petrified... but *not paralyzed*
Subtle.
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>>94001552
>>93973810
Babs a freak.
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>>94002005
What's the context of this scene? Why is she revealing all this embarrassing stuff to this woman?
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>>94002159
That's huntress and Barbara is trying to bulid back trust by revealing secrets about herself.
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>>94000635
1) Steph gave up the baby. Abandonment does not mean what you are using it to mean.
2) Your argument that Steph got people killed in the gang war also works against Batman for not killing the Joker. Steph is not responsible for the plan going awry, nor is she responsible for killing people. Setting the plan in motion was foolish, but her intention was to control the gangs - the plan did not involve mass slaughter.
3) Batman firing Steph was blatant sexism and injustice, since all of the Robins have disobeyed him on much more serious issues. The only reason she couldn't cut it was arbitrary editorial insistence that she fail.
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>>94002005
>Too young for the JLA
I don't think age was what kept you out of that team of demi-gods, Babs.
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>>93997025
My dream game would be a Arkham style Cass Batgirl with a Raid like sceneario (building full of goons, destructive environment) .
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>>93994458
I don't even know how many times I've done it to this pic.
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>>93995126
>Her whole point as Robin was to show she was a complete failure as a hero and wasn't cut out for it, which is why Batman fired her after she got a bunch of people killed by disobeying him.


You do realize that Bruce made her Robin to make Tim jealous right? You also realize that she made one mistake that didn't cost any lives (that came later because she thought Batman's plan was fool proof even though she miscalculated Matches Malone and Black Mask factors. Her mistake? She got out of the Batplane to assist Batman, when he told her no. Scarab took her hostage and got away. That's it. She didn't kill anyone. All she did was disregard a order from Batman, and pay lightly for it. Everyone else prior or since did worse. Stephanie got clocked because Bruce used her). She also was fired because Bruce knew Tim came back. So basically, he used both Tim and Stephanie.

What's that say about Bruce? War Games and Crimes are a shit story for everyone were EVERYONE took some stupid pills.
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>>94004725

I want that so bad. Just one time to see an animated Cass do that Raid-style fighting. It would be the greatest thing.
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>>93997032
>>93997612

>/co/mblr
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>>94005988
At least /co/mblr reads comics.
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>>93972265
The only ones that are stupidly unrealistic are Starfire's though.
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>>93968733
agreed
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>>93970645
agreed i dont like her because the "batgirl thing is like totally a thing i do cause its like kool and stuff"
fuck that shit
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>>93972265
these people have no joy in their life so they are dedicated to sucking the joy out of everyone's else lives,
>partly so i might be able to do something about this
she was probably hired by marvel and is doing just this
western comics are dead
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Discuss. Jason/Babs or Jason/Artemis?
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>>94005988
They're right you know
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>>94007883
>jason/babs
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>>94007883
Easily Artemis.
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>>94007883
>Jason/Babs
not
>Damien/Babs
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>>94005657
Exactly. Steph's "disobedience" is well within expected practice for a Robin, and only a "failure" because editorial demanded she be fired.
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>>94005657
Jesus that's some Loeb-tier writing
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>>94009320
There's a reason War Games is the crossover no one loves.

Except for the one asshole on these boards who thinks it's the definitive statement on how Steph sucks.
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