As if falcon didn't look pathetic enough already

>>93961235
How is having smaller wings with the same capabilities not more advantageous?

>>93961456
Because he's not le ebil

Don't worry he'll get a red white and blue upgrade in the next film

>>93961235
>comparing a dude who mostly does recon work to a dude who made his suit specifically to destroy security enclosures and carry heavy shit

>>93961456

>same capabilities

So falcon can cleave concrete with his wings?

>>93961235
>Comparing a Tank to a DPS

Falcon's wings are smaller for the purposes of greater mobility and dexterity in combat.

Vulture's wings are larger and turbine-enhanced for high-altitude operations and reconnaissance and automated flight piloting. They're designed for thievery.

>>93961235
Vulture's outfit looked amazing, I really didn't expect them to do a good job with it

>>93962394
I'd imagine a sh figuarts of that thing would be epic not to mention hard to do (since's it's more of a elaborate backpack/mini-exo-suit rather than just one big piece of armor)..

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>>93961456
>same capabilities

>>93962472
both enables the user to fly right?

I'm pretty sure Falcon's faster. Vulture is made for stealing and stealth, not speed

>>93962569

Did you not see Vulture demolishing the fuck out of cars and buildings.

Falcons wings are US Military bullshit steel probably. Vultures wings are straight up Frankenstein alien and earth metals.

I doubt Falcon is gonna be mowing down building columns any time soon

>>93962631
oh i know.

basically saying both enables the user to fly and that's the point of comparison.

>>93961792

no but he can with his rocket array

>>93961235
Usually Marvel movies have the hero face off with a bad guy that basically has the same powers. Homecoming broke new ground by having Spider-Man fight a bad guy with a different Avenger's abilities.

>>93962631
>Falcons wings are US Military bullshit steel probably.

The first set yeah. They were wrecked at the end of Winter Soldier. Since then he's got Tony making shit for him.

>>93961235
Falcon's wings suit his character and his role, stop being a dick.

Who should be the next Spidey villain and why is it Mysterio?

>>93963949
Do you really want a mysterio not played by Bruce Campbell?

>>93961456
Did you not see Homecoming?

Vulture's wings are faster, more durable, seem more maneuverable, and are way, way stronger. Also more dexterous, and the whole rig pretty much acts like power armour for him, enhancing his punching force and allowing him to kick the shit out of someone like Spider-Man. He's also got much better support tech - that matter displacement gun and the phasing technology were absolutely tits.

I'm actually surprised by how threatening Vulture was physically.

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Would he be able to beat the Vulture?

>>93964133
does he have enough bombs with him?

>>93964258
The usual stuff he brings.

>>93964297
adrian's screwed if his rig is disabled (without the glider, norman still has battle armor) so i guess it's a matter of if norman has enough bombs to wreck the vulture harness or adrian can take down norman before that happens.

>>93964321
The Goblin is durable as fuck too. He survived having a wall thrown on him. He's also as strong or even stronger than SM's Spider-Man.

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>>93963949
Obviously Scorpion is going to be in the next one given the mid credits scene in prison.

I imagine they're going to push the sinister six angle. Bring back vulture and Shocker but add in Scorpion, Doc Ock, Mysterio and either Chameleon or Kraven as the team's recon/tracker character. Expect at least one of the Six that we haven't seen yet to be genderbent. Most likely either Doc Ock or whoever the sixth member is.

Because, as we all know, the best spider-man movies are the ones with more than one primary villain.

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>>93964076
>I'm actually surprised by how threatening Vulture was physically.
Right there with ya. At first I was a little dissapointed Vulture was chosen to be the main villain but after seeing him action I can't wait to see him as part of the Sinister Six

>>93964321
>>93964367
He's also a CQC god.

>>93964367
either way, if one has to die, they'd probably wreck NYC before a clear winner is named.

>>93964383
why not Mysterio? I mean, his whole gimmick is illusions, and gender is the biggest illusion of all :^)

>>93964076
>more maneuverable

Not remotely. Falcon turns on a dime on his wings, Toome's rig is only that maneuverable when he isn't strapped into it. He can perform VTOL, sustained hovering and high altitude flight though, Falcon's rig is built for recon, search and rescue or paratrooper missions.

People also tend to forget that Falcon's drone would just have to X-Ray Toomes' wings and the Chitauri grenade it uses as a power source would blow up, but that's something a human tech power source could easily fix, and probably will if he ever comes back.

>>93961792
why would a rig designed for military search and rescue operations need to do that

do you even congressional design brief

>>93961235
It really seems like the two should be swapped. Considering that falcon's gear is military based, it would (and probably should) be tank-like in design (think: war machine). Where as vulture's gear is supposed to be designed around stealth for low key operations (theft).

>>93961235
Why does he move his arm to move the wing? Does he flap his arms in order to fly?

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>>93964367
I never get tired of watching this fight. It's so unlike anything that's appeared in teh MCU. There's no music and the only sounds you hear are Peter getting the absolute shit knocked out of him. Also as the fight goes on you can obviously see Peter's suit getting torn as well as feeling the hits of someone that can pick up a car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfSz0bQzZuM

Is Homecoming one of those
>shit movie, great villain
sort of deals? Like, scenes of him are great, but there isn't enough of him to justify sitting through the rest of the trash, so just wait til someone compiles his scenes on youtube.

>>93964444
that kamen rider worthy kick at 1:18.
the tommy oliver scream is a bonus

>>93964500
No, it's a good movie with a great villain.

>>93964383
So is Black Cat going to crossover with Spiderman? Wasn't it already confirmed Scorpion is gonna be in her movie?

>>93964440
>>93964440
Do the wings flap to keep him airborne? no they dont, the turbines do it, he obviously should have been swinging his arms in big circles, you 'tard.

Is Vulture the first villain who"s mostly just a regular working class guy?

>>93964444
Wouldn't Osborn have killed himself with that attack anyway? How did he think it would turn out if the glider impaled Spider-Man while they were hugging? Even if they weren't, he wouldn't have been able to dodge in time.

>>93964598
He was high on crazy juice.

>>93964403
I thought Mysterio would be a good contender but if he's going to have the same gimmick of "worked in the old days movie business for a long time and now has been boxed out by the new digital effects" he would make more sense as a man since there weren't a lot of women in Hollywood back in the day. It'd also play into Vulture and Shocker's "regular guys just trying to make a living" shtick.

>>93964591
Arguably Spider-man 3 Venom. If you consider newspaperman to be working class.

>>93964517
I guess that depends on who you believe about what's canon. I doubt with the Scorpion teaser at the end of Homecoming that Marvel would let a non-canon Sony movie be done with a villain they advertised.

>>93964444
>pulls a random ass high-tech trident out of nowhere
I'll never not get over this.

>>93964591
yes because the tinkerer build all his shit. Toome's useless.

>>93961456
Falcon can't destruct buildings, use them as sccisors/pliers, use them to grab stuff, use them as a bulletproof shield, etc....

>>93964444
At his best, Raimi has a very defined style that's a lot of fun to watch. See the surgery scene in Spider-Man 2.

At his worst, Raimi's a schlock filmmaker.

>>93964778
>use them as a bulletproof shield
This he literaly did

>>93964781
>At his worst, Raimi's a schlock filmmaker.
Yet still fun to watch.

>>93964715
I like to imagine it started off as a small device he had on his person and it extended into something more brutal. Oscorp technology and all that jazz.

>>93964598
I always felt like it was a "taking you with me" kind of thing.

>>93964791
Can you imagine the conversation on the set.
>Raimi: Okay, now you have a trident.
>Dafoe: Wait. What? Where did I get a tri--
>*raimi puts his finger to dafoe's lips*
>Raimi: You never have to justify a trident.

>>93964444

that was so brutal. I love it. too bad modern cape films are so neutered., or else kids will be scared.

Is Vulture, dare I say, a good MCU movie villain?

>>93964913
One of the best Marvel villains.

>>93964925
Honestly boggles my mind that Vulture of all villains is the one that didn't end up being garbage.

>>93964865
To this day my dad says that fight was too brutal for a super hero movie. And he's almost 70.

>>93964715
It was on his ass.

>>93964444
Norman looked a lot like Steven King there at the end for some reason.

Maybe his hair?

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>>93964966
I think a big part was the character design. His story and acting was good too, but if he'd looked like classic vulture (ASM #2 vulture) then he wouldn't have been as widely accepted.

>>93961456
>with the same capabilities
Vulture's wings are far superior to Falcon's.

>vulture is better because his wings are bigger
whiteboi logic, everyone

>>93965038
I thought that was a dindu logic.
>WE ARE BETTER CAUSE OUR DICKS ARE BIGGER

>>93965038
Wait a minute. This sounds familiar

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>>93965047
>getting your facts from a joke song

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>>93961235

>>93964444
Why did Gobby want to be friends with spiderman?

>>93964738
I doubt that fatso could flight the thing efficiently.

Falcon's wings were built for fast rescue operations, built with superior stark tech.

Vulture's wings were made from junk and just to carry heavy shit

Toome's wings are literally a ticking time bomb, his stupid ass would have been dead if not for Peter.

>>93965146
The Osborn side sees him as a surrogate son, he'd rather him live.
The Goblin side wants a powerful ally in crime. Easier than killing the guy.

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>>93961235
Makes sense. Vultures are literally known for having huge fucking wings.

>>93964408
Considering that chitauri stuff has to work in space, constantly being bombarded by radiation, I imagine their building materials shield their power sources from it.

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>>93965261
>Toomes wear a fur coat jacket to make him look more like a real vulture.

i love details like this.

>>93964500
No. Good movie, excellent villain.

>>93964383
Scorpion will be in the Black Cat/Silver Sabor movie.

>>93965146
They're the only two super powered individuals in New York. You'd rather have the only guy who can fight you at your side father than as an enemy.

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>>93965261
>tfw bearded vultures will never get the attention they deserve

>>93965261
Vultures are so fucking cool.
Is it possible to keep one of those as a pet?

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>>93965356
I don't think so, a huge amount of them are endangered. Closest would be to work with unreleasable ones for education.

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Vulture perched on that billboard waiting for his prey was amazing

>>93965473
i need to rewatch this movie just for the suit.

is imax worth it?

>>93964966
Hes a Sony villain?

>>93965047
>WE ARE BETTER CAUSE OUR DICKS ARE SMALLER

never change, /pol/, never change

>>93965306
That was a pretty bombass jacket.

>>93965330
Do we know if its the same one from homecoming or a different actor?

>>93964680
But Marvel doesn't own the rights to Scorpion. They need Sony's permission to use and Spidey characters and that's not going to happen often. Sony already said they're going to build their own cinematic universe around Spider-Man. They're not going to let Marvel use a villain they have plans for in their own movie.

>>93965985
Marvel can't use Spider-Man villains without Sony's permission. It's pretty unlikely they'll let Marvel use Scorpion when they have plans for him already.

>>93962607
>I'm pretty sure Falcon's faster.

Vulture caught up to a super tech jet at a high altitude.

Falcon got beat up by Ant Man.

>>93966182
You saying Scott wouldn't have beaten Vulture?

>>93964738
Toomes definitely had plenty of knowhow himself, he just was the boss so work was delegated to Tinkerer

>>93966359
Yes.

>>93964383
>Doc Ock
They can and probably will, but it'll never top Spider-Man 2. He is the GOAT villain for me. I'm sure vulture design even took a cue from Doc Ock, still wearing regular clothes tech part and a rig that function for a specific purpose.

I'd rather them remake Rhino. Or see Childish Gambino as Prowler.

>>93962394
>Vulture's outfit looked amazing, I really didn't expect them to do a good job with it
Agreed.

I was impressed that they didn't manage to make it look like shit at all during the movie, either.

>>93966513
Toomes didn't know his wings were a bomb. he might have as well let Mason have free reign over what to create. oh wait, he did!

>>93965356
Work or volunteer at a zoo maybe. Shit just go to the zoo, pretty sure they need the revenue.

>>93961235

You guys are retarded. This is a classic case of Melee DPS with enough armor to survive in close range vs a more maneuverable ranged DPS with lower durability. The winner is dependent on at what range the fight takes place.

>>93966359
Spider-man beat Falcon.

Spider-man never actually beat Vulture.

>>93964383
The problem with a Sinister Six movie is that most of the members HAVE to have a personal beef with Spidey. Vulture, Scorpion, and Shocker are there. I could possibly see a team of 3 hiring 3 more as a new criminal group but the story holds more strength if every member has a personal reason for spidey to go down.

>>93966656
There are no zoos in my town. There's a biologist who lives in the outskirts with a taste for exotic animals such as kangaroos and such. He hired my aunt to clean up once.

>>93964383
You do know Marvel doesn't own the rights to any Spider-Man character right?

They'll use whoever Sony lets them use or they'll convince Sony to let them use a character Spider-Man doesn't normally fight against.

Scorpion is already going to be in the Black Cat/Sable movie so I doubt we'll see him in the MCU.

Sony already said they plan on making their own cinematic universe based around Spider-Man that's seperate from the MCU so they are most likely going to hoard all of those characters for themselves.

>>93964778
he literally used his wings as a shield from bullets in Civil War

>>93966182

Ant-Man's probably the second or third most powerful guy in the Avengers.

There's no way Vulture matches Falcon in speed and maneuverability.

>Vulture
>caught up to a plane hauling cargo
>uses technology scavenged from the guys in the Avengers whose major weakness was not being able to make tight corners

>Falcon
>outran one of those super high tech SHIELD jets
>was able to outmaneuver a salvo of homing missiles that were trained on him without getting hit
>can turn on a dime

It comes down to whether Vulture can catch Falcon, which I doubt he'd be able to do unless he gets the drop on him.

>>93966734

Spider-Man lost to Falcon's drone

QED Falcon's drone beats Vulture by itself

>>93966863
This.
It's Dex vs, Str. all over again.

>>93965356
/an/ here, people do but I wouldn't recommend it, unless you can devote a lot of your free time to it.

>>93966760
>The problem with a Sinister Six movie is that most of the members HAVE to have a personal beef with Spidey
Do they?
They didn't in spectacular, only Rhino and Kraven did

>>93966901
What kind of special care does a vulture require?

>>93966760
Bullshit, you just need a bank roller. True villain care about just money, unless there serial killer villain ex. Carnage.
Vulture/Tinkerer have been making and shipping weapons to criminal for a good couple years. Foes of Spider-Man might already exist.

>>93966656
this

>>93964383
i thought the plan was to do a Sinster Six movie without Spider-Man? i know that sounds beyond retarded but this is Sony we're talking about.

>Expect at least one of the Six that we haven't seen yet to be genderbent. Most likely either Doc Ock or whoever the sixth member is.
Doc Ock already has a female version so it probably won't be him actually. can't make those sweet controversy bux$ if it's been done before. i bet it'd be Kraven, seeing how his Great Hunter gimmick is the most "masculine" identity

>>93967305

if they do a muscular amazon woman clad in furs I don't care how inaccurate it is, I'll watch

>>93967305
Black and Silver pretty much is the Sinister Six movie.

Almost everyone in this thread seems unaware that Sony owns Spider-man and have plans for their own cinematic universe centered around him. Why would they let Marvel use these characters?

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>>93967305
I'd give all my MCU bucks for them to use Sandman's duaghter, and she doesn't die at the end.
Other choices Kraven duaghter, female Beetle, and maybe lady deadshot?

>>93967305
I mean, it just sounds like Superior Foes.

There's nothing wrong with Falcon's look, just because you people want to suck Vultures dick doesn't mean other characters are suddenly shit tier

>>93968084
Oh look, a shitty argument that can easily be applied to either side.

>Just because you people want to suck Falcon's dick doesn't mean he's not shit tier.

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this is so scary.

>>93968084
I never liked the idea of Falcon MCU character. He's just a decommissioned jetpack paratrooper. In MCU his jet pack is 100% replicatable. I have a hard time understanding why no one else has a jetpack.

>>93968179
Why are you mad?

>>93964591
Whiplash in Iron Man 2, though I don't blame you for forgetting him.

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RAAAGGE

>>93968318
I couldn't care less. Why are you mad?

>>93968315

This is honestly the biggest problem with him.I guess the technology is some kind of military secret, but then, we see how effective he can be. Why isn't the military using more of these guys?

I can see it being kept out of civilian hands but I don't see how he's the only guy in the world with it.

>>93968314
I really like that jacket, shame I don't have a reason to own one

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>>93968314
I gotta be honest I don't see how that's scary at all.

Very few things when seen upfront are actually scary unless they're horribly grotesque and inhuman. It's the unknown that's really scary.

>>93968484
The military is worried about the tech leaking so they keep it contained?

Ya that's flimsy as fuck but meh. It's the only logical excuse I can think of.

>>93968574

Maybe it's too expensive to be given to soldiers, like the Batman Begins gear, and prohibitively expensive for non government entities to get their hands on.

Does Disney have rights to Spider Gwen? What I think could happen is that, Gwen Stacy is main love interest. Peter develops some technology that allows her to simulate some his stuff.

She & Spidey face off against Sinister Six. She gets her own spin off, Holland is left being Spidey only during the Avenger's movies.

They bring in the kid who's Wally West in Flash. Have him be Miles Morales. Pass him off as new Spider Man, then everyone will love it.

>>93968687
No. Gwen Stacy is a Spider-Man character so Sony has the rights.

They could do a different female character and make her Spider whatever? But they'd really have to keep it very removed from the Spider-Man franchise.

>>93968745
Let me clarify. I meant to say Sony has the rights to Gwen Stacy. Probably not Spider Gwen; but marvel can't use Spider Gwen either since Sony owns the film rights to Gwen Stacy...

>>93968687
miles fags want peter to be dead more than they want miles to exist

>>93968534
Just think of how far apart his eyes must be for those lights to line up.

>>93965654
Well i mean. Look at the nothing blacks have accomplished.

MCU Falcon looks alright if you consider he's on the team with Cap, BW or Hawkeye.
Vulture looks like an opponent for whole Avengers Lite team.

>>93968315
>>93968484
Easy excuse that also gives justification for Sam being special: training to use the technology turned out to be too difficult and long, so mass production and use was deemed impractical and discontinued

>>93968815
Hey now, without the peanut butter how would you enjoy the peanut butter jelly sandwich? check mate.

>>93964413
That wasn't the point of the point, the one they replied to clearly said they have the same capabilities so of course someone has to mention something the other can't do.

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>>93968796
I don't think they're that far apart. Just freakishly huge and slanted oddly.

I guess those are his pupils that are reflecting light? It's hard to see but I guess that's the point.

>>93961235
I was going to defend Falcon at first, but it occurred to me:
>Falcon gear was developed by the military
>It would've been a Military contractor making them.
>Military Contracts go to the person who can make it for cheapest.
On the other hand:
>Vulture's gear was made by a private individual/company
>It was made with specific parameters in mind
>it was constantly upgraded
>cost wasn't an issue because the money was coming almost free.
In all fairness, Vulture's gear WOULD be superior.

>>93970416

Falcon's new shit is made by Stark and upgraded from what he had in Winter Soldier though. And in Winter Soldier he already displayed more maneuverability and agility than Vulture has.

>>93970456
And still in 1 v 1 pretty sure Vulture would have the advantage. Manuverability doesn't mean much when your enemy can literally cut you in half with his wings. It's just a time game is all. Falcon loses.

>>93970456
All Vulture needs is to climb on 30000 and wait until Falcon suffocate. And freeze.

>>93964444
>"Oh."
Fucking lol

>>93964500
Decent movie, great villain

>>93970669
>Decent movie
ASM2 was better in any way, except villain, and it was torn apart by critics.

>>93970754
Honestly I didn't really mind Amazing 2, but I liked Homecoming better

>>93968534
It's scarier in motion, with his leitmotif playing.

Also scarier if you put yourself in Peter's shoes: that's the "face" of the man who wants you dead.

>>93964444
Godspeed, Spider-Man.

>>93970866
His first meeting with Peter was great, just snatched him from the sky and immediately tried to kill him, without saying a word

>>93968413
wtf I hate Vulture now

>>93971007
Damn right.
>whoa okay this has been rough but now I OH SWEET JESUS ROBOT DEMON MAN

>>93965306
>his job as a scavenger ties into the vulture thing
They got really clever with him

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>>93968314

>>93964865

Why do you think you never saw another fight like this again?

The kids were legit freaked by the visuals.

>>93970527
This is MCU Falcon though, he could simply shoot Vulture out of the sky with his missiles or guns. Vulture's wings can stop a bullet, but he's just wearing a leather jacket.

The STR vs. DEX comparison in this thread is flawed. Falcon is a DEX build, Vulture is a trick build. All Vulture can do is try to hit Falcon with his wings, try to get him with the feet claws, or, if he's got one on him, just one of his sci-fi guns - which leave him unable to maneuver has he controls the wings with hand controls.

>>93968315
>>93968484
>>93968574
Easy the jet pack is so hard to control and learn it requires a person of incredible skills to use making falcon the only person to use it properly.
That could be the explanation and it makes him seem unique too..

>>93971606
A more simple explanation is found in TWS. It's a classified, experimental, two-off prototype that saw one unit destroyed and its pilot killed by ground fire during field testing. Basically it's really expensive and didn't offer enough benefit to outweigh the risks and costs from the military's perspective. You don't need excuses about incredible skills even though realistically it'd be highly dangerous and difficult to pilot.

Remember, IM1 and 2 showed that the capabilities of the Iron Man suit aren't difficult to replicate and the only bottleneck is the arc reactor. Extrapolating from the events of IM2, both Hammer Industries and the government of France, and possibly Russia, have arc reactor designs and/or units in their possession.

>>93966615
Damn, that's a little disappointing.

>>93970571

All falcon has to do is not go up there with him.

>>93970527
It does when he has to catch him first, yeah

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I'm not sure I understand what the argument behind the Falcon side is in a match up.

In aerial combat the ability to strike from above and blindside your opponent is essential. It's worked in dogfights time and time again in the skies above the Somme to the Blitz and further on. Even if you ignore the increased strength, durability and ruthlessness (let's be honest the Falcon wouldn't just pluck a guy up without saying a word and try to kill him) the Vulture still comes ahead because he has the height advantage. He has a whole other territory from which he can attack lower altitude players from.

Increased manoeuvrability and a few gadgets don't do nearly enough to overcome that advantage.

>>93973146
falcon side of the argument:

https://youtu.be/sNKFukHMhHI?t=29s

Is vulture harder to avoid than guns firing on you from all sides? Is Vulture going to stick to him better than half a dozen homing rockets? Is Vulture better at chasing than the jet? Basically what is Vulture going to do that isn't completely countered by the skills Falcon displayed here?

>>93973252
Bucky's somewhat enhanced strength and a grappling hook tore off Falcon's wing. Vulture would carve through it like butter, and all he needs is an alpha strike which is guaranteed from his established height advantage.


We're talking about a Sparrow vs Eagle comparison here. Falcon is hard to hit (less so with a constant height advantage) but he has nothing that can touch the Vulture.

>>93973476

So Vulture wins if you assume he sneaks up and gets a free first strike. I could just assume Falcon sneaks up and shoots him before he puts on his suit.

>>93973526
It's not an assumption. Vulture wins because he has an inherent height advantage which, in aerial combat, is the deciding factor in who gets the first strike.

Let's assume he misses and Falcon uses his impressive manoeuvrability to avoid that first hit. What is stopping Vulture from simply gaining altitude again and preparing for another strike?

>>93973605

>didn't even watch the clip

The jet had a height advantage, while Falcon was hovering and not even moving at all, and he was still able to move his ass out of there before being shot.

You're saying with nothing but a height advantage Vulture can catch up to him faster than a fighter jet can shoot him with bullets and missiles.

It's on you to show when he displayed that level of speed.

>>93973476
>but he has nothing that can touch the Vulture.

Did you skip Civil War? He's got guns, missiles, and a drone. Plus the height advantage in aerial combat is based on the visibility and, formerly, radar limitations of aircraft. Falcon can simply roll over in flight, assuming he doesn't just use Redwing as an AWACS platform. Vulture's biggest weakness is that he has to physically enter melee with Falcon, while Falcon can simply shoot him. Falcon can touch the Vulture long before Vulture is able to touch him.

>>93973644
>Jet height advantage
That's a marginal height difference, it's not the kilometres in difference that we're talking about. There is a whole level of atmosphere that the Vulture can operate in with impunity that the Falcon can't even reach.

>Level of speed
Speed the Vulture has plenty of, otherwise he'd never catch up to the Stark jet. You're talking about manoeuvrability, which the Falcon does outclass him in.

My point is that manoeuvrability doesn't give the Falcon the edge he needs to do anything more than survive.

>>93973725
At what point in the clip did any of those actually achieve anything? He lets loose with his pistols point blank into the jet cockpit and succeeds in distracting them. If they can't penetrate bullet-proof glass they're unlikely to make a dent in the material the Vulture's wings are made out of. The Vulture himself isn't bulletproof but securing a hit against him requires a level of accuracy or volume of fire that the Falcon doesn't have.

If Warmachine or Iron Man were in the sky they'd do alright. They can take a direct hit and also bring to bear enough firepower to threaten the pilot behind the wings. Falcon can't do either of those.

>>93961235
WE

>>93973864
>That's a marginal height difference, it's not the kilometres in difference that we're talking about. There is a whole level of atmosphere that the Vulture can operate in with impunity that the Falcon can't even reach.


How is being kilometers away going to help him when he has to close into melee? Falcon would see him coming thousands of feet off and be able to either reposition or fly into a tight space Vulture can't even fit in.

>Speed the Vulture has plenty of, otherwise he'd never catch up to the Stark jet.

He caught up to a cargo jet, dude. Not even in the same league.

>My point is that maneuverability doesn't give the Falcon the edge he needs to do anything more than survive.

It makes it night impossible for Vulture to get his claws on him.

>At what point in the clip

The clip was just to showcase that Falcon can outmaneuver anything the Vulture can do. Have you not seen Civil War? By then, Falcon is upgraded with a drone and missiles and shit. By Civil War Falcon could send a drone behind to shoot Vulture in the back while he's being distracted.

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>>93964444
Excellent use of quads

>>93968796
>>93969015
They're probably lenses for some hightech goggles so they wouldn't have to line up exactly.

>>93973864
Falcon's got a HUD in his goggles and Toomes body covers a not insignificant portion of the Vulture harness' center mass. Also we're only shown that the leading edge of the wings are significantly durable, Vulture gets his wings fucked up when he clips a jet engine. Plus any move by Toomes to protect himself from Falcon's bullets or missiles using his wings would require him to kill his aerodynamics, flight path, and visibility.

>>93974128
No goggles anon that's Namor

>>93970754
>ASM2 was better in any way
End your bloodline.

>>93961235
I appreciate that they didn't make the Vulture suit head's up display look like it was Stark/SHIELD/Hydra Grade Software

Instead it looks like stolen military/Hammer Tech

It'd be silly if they made Toome's and crew Stark level inventors

>>93965985
Reportedly it's Michael Mando.

>>93974355
Well honestly it seems like the fat guy that is with toomes is probably smarter than Tony. He built disentigration beams and anti gravity devices with little (he was a fucking construction worker) education and very limited supplies. The only thing that is different between Stark's suit and the other suits from iron Man 1 and 2 is the arc reactor.

>>93966546
Dude fuck off spiderman 2 sucked all of it, stop praising that piece of shit the only good about that trilogy was jameson

>>93974420
Stark seems to have a hard on for not relying on Alien tech, Ultron is the one exception because he couldn't crack it the way he'd like too.

The Fat fellow cheated by just reverse engineering alien tech

he couldn't even replicate his work, Toomes had to keep stealing enhanced supplies for him to make weapons from

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>>93974355
>>93974420
>>93974601
It's the tinkerer

>>93974420
>fat guy that is with toomes
That's the Tinkerer, and he was reverse engineering Alien tech. He's not even the first one to do it
https://youtu.be/Gog0_GKYpIg

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>>93962464
>I'd imagine a sh figuarts of that thing would be epic
Would fit perfectly with that wall set the Spider-Man is coming with.

>>93961456
In this case, they act as a bigger shield or bunker if ground bound, longer range melee weapon with crude manipulators that are also razor sharp that can be used for ramming attacks, and are decently mobile at the very least. Also it can act as it's own drone, and proven that it keeps going after a plane crash at least. Falcon's is more light weight, good for upper body protection, and shorter range melee, as well as more acrobatic feats and much better aerial mobility.