A reminder that Doomsday was introduced and then killed in this movie

>>93952360
But Lex wasn't

>>93952360
A capeshit villain died in one movie? You don't fucking say.

>>93952547
Also a reminder he had a jar full of his granny's urine and seductively fed a senator a jolly rancher.

well, most villains in comicbook movies are introduced and killed in the same flick

>>93952360
What's your point? He was introduced and killed (temporarily) in the Death of Superman as well.

Doomsday isn't really much of a character anyway.

Honestly I don't mind this because Doomsday is a shitty villain and there's a very limited number of interesting things you can do with him. Might as well get him out of the way. I just wish they hadn't killed Superman, it seems like a waste. Especially because we're going to have to waste screentime resurrecting him in Justice League.

>>93952602
>>93952624
>Doomsday
>the villain who famously killed Superman in a major comic event
>introduced in the second film this Superman appeared in, which is also a versus film with Batman, co starring Wonder Woman as well as Lex
>all these characters jammed into one movie

yeah, totally normal cape flick. nothing different about this circumstance.

>>93952603
>seductively
jej

ties with "adapt to that" for the prize

>>93952624
>comparing most movies to the last 15 minutes of BvS

Whatever point you attempted to make completely backfired, anon

>>93952719
that last point proves you know nothing about the fucking death of superman.

>>93952360
Reminder that Doomsday was kino. The entire movie was kino. And you are just too dumb to get it.

Since when do people care about Doomsday? He was literally created to be a plot device.

Good, doomsday fucking sucks.

>>93952719
>Bane
>the villain who famously crippled Batman in a major comic saga
>introduced in the third film this Batman appeared in, which is also co stars Catwoman, Robin as well as CIA
>all these characters jammed into one movie

>>93952780
I think maybe that's the point. Doomsday is the most shallow thing ever and even that they couldn't get right because they were too busy trying to do everything at once.

Doomsday sucked, but at least it wasn't another final battle involving countless, copy and pasted, minions swarming all over, and doing absolutely nothing.

>>93952915
and that movie wasn't great, either. whats your point?

>>93952915
It's two and a half hours long, and bane is in it almost as long as Bruce is.

>>93953120
And that's what JL's going to be. Unless Steppenwolf is powerful enough to toss everyone around.

>>93952821
>>93953065
how come no one wanted them to at least try? yall gave up hope as soon as they announced he was in the movie?

i agree and would've preffered bizarro but still i don't think thats a good excuse.

>>93953194
Should have been fucking Mongul. Especially if they kept the idea that only Superman is powerful enough to beat him one on one, because it would add extra urgency to Superman's resurrection.

>>93953201
>i agree and would've preffered bizarro

You would've been okay with a mutated Kryptonian called "Bizarro", but not with a mutated Kryptonian called "Doomsday"?

lol, ok

>>93953201
They're willing to defend the movie regardless of how much shit you have to sift through. All complaints are met with rebuttals on why it was not only 'intentional', but 'kino'

>>93953340
Well I mean if you squint, "mutated Kryptonian" is a decent origin for some version of Bizarro.

>>93953201
Try what?? Doomsday appears, he "kills" Superman, and dies. That's it. That's literally all there is to Doomsday and that's what they did in BvS. What more do you want out of fucking DOOMSDAY?

>>93953201
>i agree and would've preffered bizarro
Wait, I thought this movie was about Bizarro fighting Batman

>>93953340
I don't think the name Bizarro would have tested well with most audiences.

>>93953388
This, seriously. Doomsday's narrative purpose in BvS was actually a lot more well-thought out than Doomsday's narrative purpose in the comics. In BvS, he not only functions as the kind of "ultimate" threat only Superman can put down (at the cost of his own life), and as a sort of punishment for Superman killing Zod by having him come back even worse and more dangerous.

>>93953340
Bizarro would've made more sense. lex made doomsday from zod and his DNA, so he was like some frankenstein's monster type creature. that type of decrption fits bizarro better. doomsday is more like the ultimate alien killing machine

>>93952360

That's a good thing, Doomsday is trash

Reminder that Zod Doomsday isn't exactly the real Doomsday. The ship talked about a previous mutation that made a deformity so monstrous it couldn't be named. Zod was a hybrid Doomsday. The real Doomsday is probably somewhere off in space for another Superman movie. They might do a Superman: Doomed thing.
https://youtu.be/xsBBryVv06c?t=2m18s for proof

>>93954205
>the real Doomsday is probably somewhere off in space for another Superman movie

so.... you want them to ruin Doomsday, and kill off Superman, again? ok

>>93952360
Who? You mean the Mega-Zod?

>>93953194
No, JL looks like it's going to have an awesome war with the Earth (including US Army, Amazonians, Atlanteans, and League) on one side and Darkseid's army on the other. Not just the team like all the Avengers movies.

>>93954574
Darkseid's army are all a bunch of identical dark CGI creatures with the same interior lighting effect that makes Cyborg look shitty, just in a different color.

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>>93952603
Just slip me the Jolly Rancher baby.

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>>93954678
>Let's fight endless Chitauri, only in the dead of night, on laughably empty (evacuated, natch') CGI backgrounds
>This will surely bring billions.

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>>93954784

>>93954815
10/10 classic Lex Luthor.

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>>93954815

>>93954784
>>93954815
>>93954851
Pure kino

>>93952360

Good, Doomsday is ashotty villain with no personality that's only a vessel for Superman's death. Now that we got that out of the way, we can have the actual good Superman stories, instead of having nerds crying about Death and Return of Superman for ten years.

>>93954947
>Now that we've firmly established Superman as a balding autistic loner with anger issues, we can have the actual good Superman stories.

>>93954793
>(evacuated, natch')
To be fair, people bitched so much about that in MoS, I don't blame them for shoehorning it in BvS.

>>93954840
Meme or not, this is as close to "kneel and suck my dick" in capeshit as you can get without actually using that line

>>93952719
>Doomsday killed Superman
He did his job

>>93954840
Hey, I'll take Eisenberg over Hackman any day.

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>>93955102
>Jesse Eisenberg over Gene Hackman.

I despair for your generation.

>>93952360
because he's so important right?
besides, in the comics he alone has been killed and resurrected more times than most comic book characters put together

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>>93955102
>>93955447
Guys! Guys! You're both wrong.

>>93955558
Returns Luthor, like the film itself, is crippled by having mostly the worst aspects of the Donner incarnations and the Snyder era.

It doesn't know what it wants to be.

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>>93955558
It's ridiculous that the best incarnation of Luthor was in a shitty 1950s serial.

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>>93955558
I'm still believing that this could've been good.

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>>93955697
Or Mark Strong

>>93955697
He's better off for not being involved in a Goyer script.
Goyer has some decent broad ideas, but even he acknowledges that he's not very good the the details. But his connection to the Nolan run has given him tenure at WB.

>>93955697
>>93955775
Casting would not solve the problems with the Snyder films.

>based Snyder got Doomsday out of the way so we won't have to see him in a film again for at least a decade
Finally something good he did

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They could have saved BvS by casting Eisenberg as Gordon (Glorious) Godfrey, had Desaad show up to reincarnate Zod, and had Batman waging a one-man hidden war on agents of Apokalypse who disappear when struck down, making everyone believe he was paranoid and crazy.

Luthor could and should have been saved for Man of Steel 2. there's no excuse for having Luthor in 6 of seven films.

Eisenberg's performance would have been fitting for Godfrey, Batman's escalating violence would have been justified against minions who are actually parademons or suchlike, and the creation of a deadly monster out of Zod wouldn't have seemed such a convenient asspull.

>>93956000
>Eisenberg's performance would have been fitting for Godfrey

Utter retard

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>>93955697
>>93955775
Oh, please

>>93956041
Totally forgott about him.

With all these casting choices, why choose Eisenberg?

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>>93956014
Godfrey has always been a physically weak, smartass provocateur who believes in the power of clever words and rabble rousing.

He'd be the perfect foil to stir up public sentiment for and against Superman, and to manipulate the Government and Batman into coming into conflict with him.

>>93956120
It's always like there are these fan favourites that everybody wants but they choose the one nobody expects...

>>93956120
Zack Snyder is a dumb jock who thinks all villains must be effeminate intellectuals

>>93953662
New 52 names him Subject B-0.

Subject B-Zero aka "Bizarro".

Not a bad name

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>>93953166

>almost as long as Bruce is

He's a large lad.

>>93953295
THIS

>>93953295
>>93956414
>Poor man's Darkseid/Thanos
How about no.

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>tfw one of the most important storylines in the history of Superman and /co/ in general was adapted by Snyder
>tfw it didn't even held half of the emotional weight the original had
>tfw DC will never adapt it again in a close future
>tfw this will be the definitive Death of Superman in the DCEU

>>93956527
>a shitty 90s story created exclusively to be a marketing gimmick deserves a proper adaptation
Don't even like BvS, but come on now.

>>93956445
All this movie's version of Steppenwolf will be is a poor man's Darkseid. He's a big, tough alien that the League can beat up and he comes with legions of disposable enemies. How is he in any way superior to Mongul? You could argue that he's worse because it's the movie blowing its load on Apokalips/New Gods stuff, so that when Darkseid finally does appear there will be nothing new for him to bring to the table.

>People actually liked this movie
What the fuck. I would of forgiven almost everything if it wasn't so boring.

>>93955558
Kevin is too good for this multiverse.
Another film with him as Luther would have jump->>93955550
started the HYPERCRISIS prematurely.

>>93955795
I agree, Afleck couldn't save this move no matter how hard he tried. And pretty much everyone in SS was known to be at the veey least decent actors with the exception of the dude that played captain boomerang and somehow it became the worst superhero movie in a decade.

>>93956527
>Expecting any capeshit movie to adapt any comic moment with the accurate weight
Really it's your own fault.

>>93956527
>Death Of Superman
>important
>emotional weight
i thought that DC fans being delusional was just a meme

>>93956692
ha, does everyone hate Jai Courtney.

>>93956736
Because the guy has always played the same character in all of his moves.That character, of course, beingan undercooked, underseasoned piece of stale tofu.

>>93956527

>tfw one of the most important storylines in the history of Superman and /co/ in general

Death of Superman is trash, it's everything that came from it that was great.

And the idea of Snyder trying to take on something as emotionally rich as Reign of the Superman/Return of Superman makes me want to puke.

>>93956567

>How is he in any way superior to Mongul?

Man, a Warworld movie would be great, and you could easily bring in GL considering how much of it takes place in space.

The idea of a Darkseid invasion two-parter already makes me want to nap. I don't need to see five fucking hours of Darkseid bullshit, it won't do it any better then the finale arc of STAS anyway.

>>93958797
Is it wrong to blame all this on Morrison? I like Morrison's Darkseid but he basically rebuilt him into this meme of ultimate ending and the collapse of all things, which is obviously what attracted a guy like Snyder to him so hard.

>>93952360

Doomsday was a genuinely stupid character, that even when they tried retconning him or given him a back story, he still remained an idiotic creation.

>>93952665
>I just wish they hadn't killed Superman, it seems like a waste.

Warner Brother's has had a major boner about adapting the 'best selling GN of all time' to live action - so while stupidly done, I'd blame suit interference for this versus Snyder/Goyer/Snyder Spouse stupidity.

>>93952360
That's why it was such an achievement, they packed:

.The Dark Knight Returns
>The Death of Superman
>Wonder Woman
>Lex Luthor
>Lois Lane operator spy
>political drama

All into one great movie!

>>93958839

>I like Morrison's Darkseid but he basically rebuilt him into this meme of ultimate ending and the collapse of all things, which is obviously what attracted a guy like Snyder to him so hard.

Meh, it was an inevitability no matter what. That character is so perfectly designed to be end-boss material that if it wasn't Grant it would have been somebody else.

I mean who the fuck else are they going to use, Imperiex?

>>93953388
I wanted my damn horns and spikes like the concept art

>>93958875

>Lois Lane operator spy

I'm still mad. They wasted twenty minutes of a Superman movie on a worthless byzantine spy plot to tell us that Lex Luthor is a bad guy.

And it literally comes to fucking nothing.

>>93958895
>end-boss material

Which is why it's so retarded to do anything related to Darkseid now. You at minimum do Darkseid in Justice League 2. Ideally you do it in the last Justice League movie ever, whichever one that would be. You don't fucking start with Darkseid or anything related to Darkseid.

>>93953065
>even that they couldn't get right because

What was there to get "right?" He was as shallow as he was in the comics.

>>93953201
>would've preffered bizarro
>>93953340
>>93953725

Biz is a perfect example of a character that can have backstory added and modified and make him far more interesting. An example of a shallow use of a character would be the Smallville version of Biz. If a shitty writer like Lobdell can manage it, eve a future Superman film written by Deb and Goyer, and directed by Zack could pass for brilliant.

>>93954976

>Mousketeers earns his intern college credit, even during summer months.

>>93952655
It's just an added problem to BvS.
(Which I like by the way)
Death of Superman should have been its own story, its own movie. Not tacked on at the end!

It's just undermined by the fact that we know he will be back in the next movie. We as an audience haven't had enough time with the character for his death to be impactful.

>>93952752
I fucking hate this meme.
This movie isn't smart. We get the Sisyphus and the religious imagery. We get that Martha wasn't about their mothers having the same name. But being about it showing humanity in Superman.
We the connection to the paintings. And the on the nose dialogue the points to where things go and then being visually shown to us later.

This movie is not smart. This movie is not deep.

It paints with a big brush. But it's handled very amateurish.

>>93953120
Just wait until Justice League. all the parademons. All the grey red eyed CGI minions you could ever want!

>>93954574
Also Snyder HIMSELF has stated the big war scenes with humans, atlanteans, and the amazons are all in flashback.

They'll be involved but the war scenes are a prologue LotR style confirmed ages ago.

>>93952360
Good, let's get rid of him as fast as we can, now I don't have to worry about him popping up in any of Kal's solo stuff.

>>93956041
this is the only correct answer. zane's lex would have elevated the entire film so drastically.

>>93956120
i believe he was trying to make a Zuckerberg parallel. the young genius billionaire.

>>93956735
>death of superman
>not important
it might be a shitty arc but you can't deny it's importance in the character's history and comic book history in general

>>93959151
>What was there to get "right?"
The build up.
Doomsday carving a cross country path of destruction through the power tiers, taking out JLI piece by piece, punching Booster Gold into the stratosphere. So that when Superman shows up it's like "okay the prefight is over. Time for the main event!"
Instead it's just a dumb power of friendship team up to fight the giant monster cliche. Doomsday is supposed to make Superman look like the OG badass and the ONLY one that can do anything to scratch this unstoppable monster, and here he's gotta share that billing with Diana and Bruce.
And Diana was doing just as good a job all by herself.

>>93952360
Reminder that Jimmy Olsen was introduced and immediately executed for shock value.

Snyder was a great choice to set up their universe.

>>93959385
Yeah, it one of the 5 swords that killed the entire industry .

>>93952719

>Doomsday
>the overrated villain who is famous for being introduced in am mediocre and forced Superman run who lasted few chapters and had no real interaction with the rest of the DCU, and already died in the same short run
>A run soo short that 90% of the pages are just Superman guru porn
>Basically a cheap trick created with the only purpose of killing Superman, sell more comics and then die
>Just didn't die for good because nothing in capeshit dies forever
>Does the exactly same thing in the movie
>This is bad

>>93959261
>We get that Martha wasn't about their mothers having the same name. But being about it showing humanity in Superman.

But literally a minute before "Martha!" Batman says "Your parents probably told you that you were special, that you mattered," and given that every Kryptonian Batman is aware of (and that Snydercucks keep saying he was too angry to do research into Superman's secret identity) has superpowers, that would imply a belief that Superman had adoptive human parents.

>>93952360
Good, Doomsday is a shit villain despite the corporate enforced hype he always gets.

>>93959550
I'm sure they're going to fuck up The Dark Tower but at least I know it won't be Elba's fault.

>>93959518
He speaks about Supes parents in an abstract.
Its when superman is down on the mat and about to die when he asks batman to rescue his mother. It humanises Superman from the batfleck's point of view.
This ayylmao with godlike power has a mum that is in danger and he is trying to save her. Something batman failed to do.

>>93959580
Elba's solid. Just fun to substitute him for everything when casting debates start up.

>>93959665
its the best /tv/ meme.

>>93959671
i was going to say "are you sure it's not a reddit meme" but then i remembered that they're the same.

>>93959655
Then it's a good thing for the plot that Superman didn't just explain that to Batman before their pointless fight.

Zod and Doomsday are worth killing. They literally have one story and that's it. Lex lived.

>three movies with Zod
>five movies with Luthor
>zero movies where Superman gets clotheslined by the giant nerd from Colu

why

>>93959402
>taking out JLI piece by piece, punching Booster Gold into the stratosphere.

It hasn't been established and even when it was established (JL/JLU) both times he was used, it was for a joke/meme moment (e.g. Justice Lord Superman just lobotomized DD with Laser Eyes) or very brief/transitory plot contrivance (the BS Volcano Plot Misdirect for the 'big BS buildup' about Luthor/Cadamus).

>and here he's gotta share that billing with Diana and Bruce.
>And Diana was doing just as good a job all by herself.

I wouldn't actually necessarily disagree with you on this but posit it really has nothing, in ultimate terms, to do with whether or not DD was done 'right' BUT has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that, beyond a lot of cursory imagery and a very few, very rare beats, for the most part the DCEU has managed to get Superman wrong.

There isn't, for example, anything wrong with either Waller or the government having concerns about someone as powerful as Superman floating around (although that was, IMHO, already sufficiently addressed at the tag ending of MoS with the General, particularly since said military guy ended up in the next Administration) and there isn't even a problem with Batman having concerns about a Superman he's not dealt with or built up a relationship with, work-wise, much less friends-wise -- both of these are pretty well established in the comics.

The problem is execution. The stupidity of a sentence like "even if there is a 1% chance, we have to TAKE IT AS AN ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY" - not only does it make Bruce seem like a stupid, paranoid and petty, jealous asshole, it's just lazy and shitty writing. I haven't seen Suicide Squad, but they other things to point to as threats (such as the Kryptonians and actual existence of aliens who were totally willing to threaten and destroy).

>>93952360
Doomsday is 90s XtremE shit. Who cares?

>>93952360
Reminder that Superman literally didn't say a single word to any non-main characters in the entire movie.

Reminder that Lois had more lines of dialogue than Clark/Superman.

Reminder that Batman is a brutal killer and will never be able to have any moral authority over his rogues. Especially those that don't kill.

Reminder that Zack Snyder is a fucking hack that ruined what should have been the greatest cinematic universe of all time.

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>>93960103
Six Movies with Luthor
Superman III was written to be Luthor and Miss Tessmacher (sp?) but Hackman refused so they substituted Nearest Mexican Equivalent Luthor and changed nothing but the names. They went with the inspired villain name of Ross Webster, which would be a good trivia question.

>>93960244

Perry White was a non main character. The wife of the human trafficker he met outside the prison was a non main character. That black dude he talked to about Batman when he went to Gotham was a non main character. Those guys trying to stop him when he went up that mountain to meditate was a non main character.

Batman having become a criminal himself is one of the crucial points of his character. Have you even paid attention to any of his dialogue with Alfred? The movie ends with his redemption.

I got it. These aren't super heroes. They are action heroes.

>>93955779
>But his connection to the Nolan run has given him tenure at WB.

His connection to Nolan come as much from The Cereal King and he continues to be connected in spite of the fact that so many people in the public blame him for problems with MoS and even BvS, but it's Johns paying off the fact that Goyer got him connected with Donner in the first place.

So, all your people thanking The Cereal King, guess what ...

>>93960265
The movie ends with him refraining from behaving like a murderous sociopath, and paying exactly no price for being one in the first place. He is in no way "redeemed" by Clark's clumsy death by Nu-Zod.

>>93959914
batman literally didn't want to listen.
Superman told lois that he was going to warn batman, or he would have to kill the bat.
He tried talking but Batfleck had crippling autism.

>>93959354
Unfortunately, Zane hasn't been on Hollywood's radar since The Phantom flopped, which is a shame, the guy actually knows science, if anyone could be the consummate Lex Luthor it's him.

>>93960314
So he picked him up and threw him through a a building instead of holding him down and talking to him?

What a great hero.

>>93960292
It's really unfortunate for all those goons in the warehouse that none of their mothers were called Martha.

>>93960292
>kills off the most powerful defender of humanity
>lexs spells it out to him that the fight has attracted the attention of powers that be out in the stars.

>>93960324
Did you not see the part where he was wearing power armor and actively wanted to kill superman?
Superman was on a limited timer before his mom died. Either batman would help him, or he would have to be killed to save martha.

>>93955447
Hackman was good at being tied to the old Mad Scientist Luthor. Eisenberg was poor for being tied to the billionaire tech mogul Luthor.

>>93956692
Leto and his method acting harmed the performances of the rest.

>>93960265
>Superman literally didn't say a single word to any non-main characters in the entire movie
>Superman
I didn't say Clark Snyderfag. I said Superman.

>The movie ends with his redemption.
Oh, I must've missed the part where he handed himself over the police and confessed to multiple counts of murder. Because promising to not start murdering again doesn't really cut it as "redemption".

Unless he actually faces justice for his crimes then how can he capture any of his rogues and force them to face the law when he doesn't have to? Especially ones that don't kill. Saying sorry doesn't cut it.

>>93960292
Yeah but he's totes sorry about it now. He also promises to never go on a killing spree again. So everything is square now right?

>>93958950
Hey but we know that Lois will be the maguffin needed to stop evil Superman.

Words never thought I'd say. Can Joss save the film,.

>>93959914

He did try to do that. Batman didn't listen.

>>93960345
I remember the part where Superman was able to beat Batman like a rented mule when he wasn't weakened by kryptonite.

It would have been no effort at all to hold Batman down and talk to him.

>>93960483
Superman tosses him around twice and asks him to stay down.
Then batman uses kryptonite and changes the entire dynamic of the fight.

>>93960491
So instead of throwing him through a building, try actually talking. Say Luthor is behind everything, try and explain yourself.

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>>93960379
If Joss can pull Justice League to an 80%+ Fresh rating and a billion or more box office,
It will be one of the greatest turnarounds in cinematic franchise history.

I will stand and clap vigorously.

>>93960363
HUNKA HUNKA

>>93960363
LIGHTS

>>93952360
Movie was so awful I don't even remember most of it.

>>93959209
You can't fill a whole movie with the Death of Superman plot anyways. Even the comic was preceded by some retarded mutant characters in Metropolis sewers. You could say that the Doomsday fight is tackled at the end too.

Even in the Burton movie the Doomsday fight was about to be a single moment in the story, the rest of it was Brainiac, Luthor and Superman's cosmic voyage.

Let's face it, Doomsday's not that much of an interesting character to build a rivalry with Superman through a whole movie. And I think him being used as an instrument for the heros to come together and unite forces is allright, what else could have been done with him?

>>93960369

Even a Batman who doesn't kill would still be working outside of the law, police accepting it or not. If that's the standards you apply the only "redemption" for him would be giving up on vigilantism entirely.

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>>93960635
The late 80's and 90's are full of "I'LL KILL YOU!!!1!!" Edgemeister villains, and every single one of them are complete shit.

Then they pull a classic out like The Vulture, and it's one of the best villains in years.

>>93960603
yes, the absence of quips really ruined the movie for me.
>>93960517
Batman was refusing to listen, superman was running out of time to actually enlist batman, and he still needed to find his mother who was going to die in less than an hour.
I bet you also whine about the eagles not flying the ring to mordor right?

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>>93960700
Stop trying to find excuses. Superman doesn't immediately speak clearly to Batman because the scripts says so, it was an arbitrary decision by the writer/director, and it was dumb

The eagles have their reasons not to fly to Mordor. Supes' excuses are that he kept walking into Batman's traps like a retard instead of, say, scream stuff from the sky. "Luthor is behind it all" is easier to say "if i wanted it you'd be dead already"
>But Bruce wouldn't have listened!
I don't care, we're talking about Clark. And that's just another facet of how contrived the whole situation is. So much for the clash of ideologies

>>93960700
So instead of talking to him Superman throws him through a building? Instead of saying "I know you don't trust me but Luthor has kidnapped my mother and is going to kill her, please help me," he pointlessly fights Batman for 20 minutes. If Batman is refusing to listen Superman should just rip off his armour, like his helmet for example. Then try talking to him again.

>>93960781
>pointlessly
Batman absolutely refuses to listen. He starts throwing punches, and the first time superman subdues batman, he breaks out the kryptonite and superman realises that he cannot subdue to bat.

>>93960766
>immediately speak clearly
Batman literally starts attacking him at "Bruce wait-" first with the sonic weapons, then with the machineguns.
Superman subdues him and tells him to stay down. Batman responds by lobbing the kryptonite grenade.

>>93960818
Again, we can analyze the events of the scene all you want, i, as a viewer, question the decision of having the fight be so literally forced instead of delivering the ideological clash i already mentioned, which overall it's basically limited to the party scene where they make snarky comments about each other

>>93960766
Justice League Action makes fun of the scene too

https://youtu.be/OUWu_gQwgz8

>>93960854
>The ideological clash
Which one? Batman views superman as a threat by merely existing, same as luthor does.
Superman just tries doing the right thing but lex keeps tripping him up to turn public opinion against him.

>>93960692
DESU the bar for MCU villains was pretty low, but you can never go wrong with Michael Keaton doing the intimidating bad guy

>>93960943
Any, really. TDKR had an ideologica fight, the TAS special had them brawl a bit on their disagreements, BvS instead has Batman turn into a literal retard and Supes into a guy with literally no agency and say in wether he actually wants to fight. It's fucking boring. Their interactions throughout the movie are completely retarded and void
>A dream sequence that doesn't fucking matter
>Superman trashing the Batmobile for no reason, letting very dangerous armed criminals run away in the process
Except, again, for the party scene, the only one where they actually speak their mind, and they didn't even fucking know they were Superman and Batman

>>93960544
>that Cyborg abomination
>Batmans amazing suit ruined by useless panels to accentuate muscle tones, even though it fails
>no gold boots on flash
>Superman's suit still dull af

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>>93961198
I actually like Superman's suit, the decorations on his hips and legs do a good job at making me forget the lack of pants, it's just that these movies lighting/colouring makes it look darker than necessary. In these recently released photos Diana's suit looks black for crying out loud. Well shit, now that i look at it again I'm not even sure it's just the lighting

>>93961329
its a subdued hue of blue.

>>93952665
Doomsday it's a terrible villian and Snyder saved us from a while movie dedicated to the death of superman.

And for the record, death for superman was early in superman's career, year 3-5.

>>93961329
For sure, Supermans suit is absolutely gorgeous, besides the dull colours but holy shit Batmans new suit design angers me so much. It was perfect in BvS.

>>93960134
>"even if there is a 1% chance, we have to TAKE IT AS AN ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY"
without google can you tell me who made that quote famous? Hint: if you don't remember 9/11 you likely can't.

Batman is that guy (hint two he worked for , some say was the brains for, GWB). He just witnessed kryptonian-created 9/11. He lost it, like america, and started REEing all over the place to kill the person he hated and blamed for the destruction.

And as much as I defend BvS, I truly think it was one of the top movies of last year not just top CBMS, the complain about Doomsday not being held off until the real justice league had been shown is completely valid. Anon even said exactly why, because Doomsday's Sherman-esqu march was supposed to be terrifying since the (yes, "weakened") league couldn't stop him.

Then superman shows up for one more big dick play before getting killed. It's hated on because it created a lot of mess but that fight is the perfect sendoff and nod to the man who should ALWAYS be the biggest heavyweight of the "good guys".

>>93960369
>I didn't say Clark Snyderfag. I said Superman.
talk about being a faggot. Did you count how many non-main characters batman verbally addressed while in costume as well? I'm willing to bet the number is very close to zero.

>>93961671
I don't like the added plates but they make sense I guess. But that cowl is maybe the best cowl I've ever seen in a Batman film.

Generally Batfleck has been the only batman that seems to actually wear a cowl instead of a helmet.

I still won't be happy until the cowl and cape are the same fabric and very same piece of cloth. But when I saw that image I was pretty happy with it's look.

Much better than the night owl/goggles look from previous images. And I don't know why they even took the picture of him in the black suit with grey bat. Though it looked nice enough.

>>93960690
How about Batman's owm sense of morality? He'd know he's an idiotic hypocrite if he tried to take Catwoman in for stealing some diamonds while gets off Scott free cos he's real sorry now.

Also
>Killing people
>Stopping crimes and handing the criminals over to the police for punishment
There is a huge fucking difference between those two types of breaking the law.

>>93961852
Except Superman should enjoy talking to people. Batman slinks away in the night.

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>>93960925
Fucking kek.

>JL action makes fun of BvS
>TTGO makes fun of BvS
>the comics makes fun of BvS
>one executive from Warner basically say "sorry for what we did" to the audience
>even the own actors of BvS say that it is shit

How can anybody defend this shit?

>>93961907
>I still won't be happy until the cowl and cape are the same fabric and very same piece of cloth

thats a good point, thinking of it now the Balemans velvet cape to plastic mask contrast does look shitty.

>I don't like the added plates but they make sense I guess
It makes no sense. It's already established the armour is under the outerlayer of the suit. Why do modern incarnations of Batman make his suit so obviously armoured just to seem "advanced" or some shit. If you're a thug in a world where superman exists and you shoot at a man but he takes the bullet like it's nothing then you're gonna be super fucking scared thinking you're against a meta human. If you know it's a guy in armour it just takes away that illusion.

>>93960925
I know this is not supposed to be taken seriously but... Goddamn this is shity. People watch this?

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I like this moment.
In this exact sequence BvS literally mirrors scene TDKR, but also movie itself with Batman being more wrong than Superman, with Superman's "death" inspiring Batman to become better man he is, with Superman being independent savior that not interfeing in any conflicts whatsoever, but just stops deaths or crime (it's clear in Wally's room on newspaper where it says that Superman prevented robbery, but thugs got away, or when he stopped Batman first time, or when he crashed CIA's rocket that could destroy African village) instead of being government's lapdog.

I hated theatrical cut (even surprised at some people that hated MoS, but liked BvS), but absolutely enjoyed Ultimate edition. Definitely waiting for conclusion of this Superman story and beginning of Justice League.

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>>93962005
>Fucking kek.

>>JL action makes fun of BvS
>>TTGO makes fun of BvS
For example
>>the comics makes fun of BvS
For example
>>one executive from Warner basically say "sorry for what we did" to the audience
For example
>>even the own actors of BvS say that it is shit
For example

>How can anybody defend this shit?
Easy. You just don't have to be from reddit.

>>93961979
Are you going to complain about "Up, Up and Away" next?

>>93962137
CIA was just trying to make the fire rise.

>>93962213
BvS' soundtrack was so incredibly good, and the funeral scene was kino.

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>>93962264
Ikr

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>>93962317
At last I truly see.

>>93962112
Yeah. People that can actually spell.

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>>93960925
I love JLAction

>>93962137
That opening is so fucking amazing. Just before that when Bruce runs towards collapsing metropolis and after that scene when young Bruce is lifted into the air, becoming the Batman.

>>93960925
maybe lex should've jammed that kryptonite into a really big rock

>>93962029
Don't get me wrong I'm usually firmly on the no plating team. But for JL they're theoretically at "war" with parademons and Superman level threats. Putting him in the TDKR armor, while cool looking, for BvS kinda made it so they have to have him "more armored than usual" for big fights. And I'll take some superfluos plating rather than some our and out retarded armor like he's wearing in the Metal previews.

I still think thie batsuit from BvS with the cowl above and a light grey layer of comic-book-supercloth would make it perfect. Though they'd need to embrace the trunks then or it'd look silly.

>>93962112
>found the underage summer fag
This show and the morsels that are left of it are gold. I bet you hare Brave and the Bold as well?

>>93963368
now post the marvel one, with like 3 times the users.

>>93964271
Not him but the MCU has been out for a lot longer and has like 12 films. Of course it's much larger.

>A shit movie does a shit thing
The last good Cape movie was Spiderman 2.

>>93964392
You forgot Split.

>>93963401
Showing Alfred tinkering with the under armour of the cowl in BvS was a simple and effective way to show how armoured Batman surprisingly is. Just do the same in JL for the body, maybe have Alfred point out where he's added more plating under it. Would be cool to see it being put together in a preparation montage.

>>93965978
Not just how armored it is but how tech-ed out it is. They need to embrace the white eyes as a nightvision, binnocular set up. I don't think I'd like them going so far as having ocular screens of information because it gets to ironman-ish but I think making his optics a bit techincal gives them a reason to move towards the white eyes. Though they'd probably end up ironmaning and doing the HUD while adding in a MARTHA subsystem to compete with Al for bants time.

So was Aquaman

>>93952360
A reminder that Superman was killed just to give a fight with a CGI monster some weight and everyone knew he would be alive again in the next movie.